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| itsnotabigtruck | well crap | 00:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the inevitable just happened | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i put a nice bend in my usb cover :( | 00:30 |
| beford | :< | 00:31 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 00:32 |
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| mgedmin | I nearly broke it once... dropped the N9 while trying to unplug from my car's DC charger; it fell ~10 cm onto the center console and the usb cover got stuck in the open position | 00:33 |
| beford | yay. finally figured out the issue. rda is cool. a bit slow. but cool. | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | a little push with a small screwdriver got it unstuck, thankfully | 00:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how does one remove the usb cover, anyway? | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the service manual says to just pull it out | 00:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it supposed to require significant force? | 00:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | thing is there's already a fracture in the plastic where it bent so giving it much of a pull is probably a bad idea | 00:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone here ordered from sparepart.dk before? | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just ordered some usb lids from them, they seem reasonably priced | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but no idea how legit they are | 01:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for now though the lid is now bent back, yay | 01:28 |
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| djszapi | beford: ping | 02:32 |
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| beford | hey | 02:33 |
| Iktwo | hey | 02:34 |
| djszapi | so have you tried to ask for help from the qt guys ? | 02:34 |
| beford | no :D | 02:34 |
| beford | the buildlog is there let me check | 02:35 |
| djszapi | ask them ... | 02:35 |
| djszapi | I have zero clue ... | 02:35 |
| beford | do you have the link to your patch? it may give some ideas | 02:36 |
| djszapi | I already asked on their channel. Let us wait for their answers. | 02:36 |
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| Sazpaimon | nokia's transit directions are atrocious | 02:39 |
| Sazpaimon | it actually suggests that I take a bus going one direction, get off after one stop, then take the same bus going in the other direction to my destinatio | 02:40 |
| Sazpaimon | seriously? | 02:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167596 | 02:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sparsify, check it out | 02:40 |
| beford | djszapi, <rohanpm> beford: it was already answered in the other channel ... | 02:41 |
| djszapi | beford: yes, we already discussed, and I told you to not ask :P | 02:42 |
| djszapi | the problem is that I sent you an outdated patch since I have two working trees | 02:42 |
| djszapi | and apparently they are messed up | 02:42 |
| djszapi | so I need to merge the two diffs... | 02:42 |
| djszapi | Although, it would be nice if Mac was a bit clearer about the issue ... | 02:43 |
| djszapi | so ... revert as previously. | 02:45 |
| djszapi | http://paste.xinu.at/ppEK/ | 02:46 |
| djszapi | sorry, this one: http://paste.xinu.at/mafc/ | 02:46 |
| beford | ok | 02:48 |
| djszapi | this Mac error is not intuitive to me. Grepping for errors does not find anything relevant, and there are many warnings. Can you get better and more intuitive error report on Mac ? | 02:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hm, no one looked at my thread except lurkers :( | 02:55 |
| Iktwo | I did, but I don't complety understanded it | 02:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also that xinu.at paste site looks pretty cool actually... | 02:56 |
| djszapi | Iktwo: I saw your app in Ovi yesterday. :) | 02:56 |
| Iktwo | which one? | 02:56 |
| djszapi | no clue | 02:56 |
| djszapi | I already forgot :P | 02:56 |
| Iktwo | :p | 02:57 |
| Iktwo | I'm trying to detect a SIP call via DBus but no luck for me :( | 02:57 |
| Iktwo | I know the signal dbus is sending but I don't know how to read it | 02:57 |
| djszapi | it is weird that most applications do not care about internationalization/localization in Ovi. | 02:59 |
| Iktwo | I do care, I just don't know how to do it :( | 03:00 |
| Iktwo | I guess I should look into it ASAP | 03:00 |
| djszapi | we have 100+ internationalization/localization in KDE | 03:00 |
| djszapi | so it is getting handy for KDE Mobile apps to just re-use those transtor efforts :P | 03:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems like we desperately need a proper community package upload system | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. not appsformeego or the 'temporary community repo' | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or ovi store | 03:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but an apt repo where anybody can load in packages and dependencies, and everything would be all nicely displayed and indexed on the web | 03:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (aegis assertions, description, dependencies, changelog, etc.) | 03:03 |
| djszapi | you are welcome to contribute back to the community repository .. | 03:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, manually submitting stuff through you/rzr isn't really scalable and i was under the impression that repo is mostly for ports of things | 03:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where those things are mostly libraries and cmdline utils | 03:04 |
| djszapi | that is how OBS works. | 03:04 |
| djszapi | and we do not really wanna reinvent that huge work, put into that. | 03:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and seeing that appsformeego has taken off like a tonne of bricks, that can be discounted | 03:05 |
| djszapi | so do feel free to patch the OBS code and send for review. | 03:05 |
| djszapi | no, that is wrong impression. :) | 03:05 |
| djszapi | We have never decidede for cli/library utils. | 03:05 |
| djszapi | moreover, a complete stack, like the extra back then in fremantle times. | 03:05 |
| djszapi | or how nemo started to do way after us ... | 03:06 |
| djszapi | or PA | 03:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the other thing is that there probably ought to be a way to publish closed source apps, since some people just aren't ever going to budge on that | 03:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the Open Build System doesn't really mesh with that :p | 03:07 |
| djszapi | ohhthat is not our focus. | 03:07 |
| djszapi | as rzr said: Open Source or die. | 03:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what i'm imagining is an apt repo to put *everything* | 03:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with a frontend like packages.debian.org but better looking hopefully | 03:07 |
| djszapi | you do not really wanna the wheel really. | 03:08 |
| djszapi | obs is a huge project, been tested for ages... | 03:08 |
| djszapi | so getting way and way stable. | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except that obs has nothing to do with my proposition... | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're right that it would be a done of work to implement a new system | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but obs is for builds, not for browsing packages | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's frankly terrible for the latter | 03:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a build system | 03:08 |
| djszapi | that is the point yes. | 03:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what i'm talking about doesn't necessarily involve any kind of build server | 03:09 |
| djszapi | this is exactly the reason why the author did not care about your case | 03:09 |
| djszapi | so did many other people in that project either | 03:09 |
| djszapi | I have not heard too much complain about the current situation though, in the last 1-2 years. | 03:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, they didn't care about my case because they were implementing something different | 03:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're comparing apples and oranges | 03:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "we already have this apple, who would want your orange" | 03:09 |
| djszapi | no | 03:10 |
| djszapi | you are saying the current situation is not okay. | 03:10 |
| djszapi | There are exact reasons why they built it that way | 03:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, because it isn't, there's no nexus of apps | 03:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everything is scattered everywhere | 03:10 |
| djszapi | and frankly, there were no users wanting this yet here... | 03:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | closest thing is ovi store and that's all kinds of backwards | 03:10 |
| djszapi | ovi store is an entirely different thing again. | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right | 03:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | the point though is that sites like n9-apps.com exist because there's no unified repository | 03:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm sure lots of people want something like this, maemo kinda has it right now | 03:12 |
| beford | djszapi, www.beford.net/random/buildlog4 I used VERBOSE=1 too not sure if it helps | 03:12 |
| djszapi | I have never heard anybody... | 03:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you never hear anybody wanting anything >_> | 03:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | besides a lot of people don't know they need a unified repo | 03:13 |
| djszapi | frankly, you are the first person here in this channel the last 8-9 months | 03:14 |
| beford | djszapi, tst_qtimer.cpp:159 reimaningtime <- missing caps? | 03:14 |
| djszapi | beford: yes, should be camel case | 03:14 |
| djszapi | though I do not know how it passed the Linux stuff then | 03:14 |
| beford | :P | 03:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | reimaningtime? | 03:15 |
| beford | remaining* :D | 03:16 |
| djszapi | beford: can you please change s/5/10/g in the same line ? | 03:16 |
| beford | ok | 03:16 |
| djszapi | since the event loop might a bit too coarsial | 03:16 |
| djszapi | I think it returned last time 43 for about 50. | 03:17 |
| djszapi | that was the worst case scenario. | 03:17 |
| djszapi | we could probably merge the changelog and other requests (if anybody willing to contribute at all) to packrat | 03:19 |
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| djszapi | since we have that "browsing" stuff since almost the beginning. | 03:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw appsformeego uses apt signatures, right? not internal signatures | 03:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if so that kinda negates one of the main things appsformeego could have been useful for which is as a signing service for open source apps | 03:21 |
| djszapi | no clue about appsformeego | 03:23 |
| djszapi | I feel only responsible and skillful about the community repository. | 03:23 |
| beford | djszapi, finished no errors | 03:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yup, no internal signatures | 03:25 |
| djszapi | beford: Could you please run the test ? | 03:25 |
| beford | how | 03:26 |
| djszapi | how I told ya ;) | 03:26 |
| djszapi | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-02-20.log.html#t2012-02-20T18:43:04 | 03:26 |
| beford | did you? sorry I cant remember | 03:26 |
| beford | ah ok | 03:26 |
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| djszapi | interestingly enough, I recalled the whole path by heart correctly. | 03:27 |
| djszapi | that is strange :) | 03:27 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: o/ | 03:27 |
| beford | not for mac though :P | 03:27 |
| beford | 1 failed | 03:27 |
| fiferboy | Hi djszapi | 03:27 |
| djszapi | beford: output ? | 03:27 |
| djszapi | why not for Mac ? | 03:28 |
| djszapi | the build tree hieararchy should be the same. | 03:28 |
| beford | paste.kde.org/426332 | 03:28 |
| beford | yea but mac apps are actually folders :P so tst_qtimer.app/MacOs/blabla | 03:29 |
| djszapi | 159 ? That is a hefty one ... | 03:29 |
| djszapi | aye, true, good point | 03:29 |
| djszapi | so are you ready for debugging | 03:29 |
| djszapi | I can give you the lines what to insert for further inspection | 03:29 |
| beford | oka | 03:30 |
| djszapi | you have "timeval" on Mac right ? | 03:31 |
| djszapi | it is a struct. | 03:31 |
| beford | if its POSIX I suppose there is | 03:32 |
| beford | I'm not a mac user | 03:32 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/426338/ | 03:34 |
| djszapi | wait a sec... | 03:36 |
| beford | error applying | 03:36 |
| beford | with git am and git apply | 03:37 |
| djszapi | http://paste.xinu.at/QcL1c/ | 03:38 |
| djszapi | revert the remainingtime mod | 03:38 |
| djszapi | and then you can apply this one which fixes that in a more elegant manner, plus adds some debug output. | 03:38 |
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| beford | djszapi, www.beford.net/random/buildlog | 03:42 |
| djszapi | heh that sounds like some Mac specific issue | 03:44 |
| djszapi | let us workaround it | 03:44 |
| djszapi | oh no wait | 03:44 |
| djszapi | there is a typo in there :P | 03:44 |
| djszapi | int remainingtTime = timer.remainingTime(); | 03:45 |
| djszapi | int remainingTime = timer.remainingTime(); | 03:45 |
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| beford | ok | 03:46 |
| beford | paste.kde.org/426344 | 03:48 |
| djszapi | excellent | 03:49 |
| djszapi | it now passes | 03:49 |
| beford | and I see why it failed before I think | 03:49 |
| djszapi | thanks :) | 03:50 |
| beford | you told me to change s/5/10/g | 03:50 |
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| beford | so I changed 50 to 100 and 5 to 10 | 03:50 |
| beford | :D | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | has anyone already brought up rationalizing the app forums with the tmo admins? | 03:50 |
| djszapi | uhhhh | 03:50 |
| djszapi | beford: please change 100 back to 50, and re-test. | 03:51 |
| djszapi | that should really be 50 | 03:51 |
| djszapi | because I start a timer with 150 timeout, and check in 100. | 03:51 |
| beford | yea its 50 now | 03:51 |
| djszapi | ahh gotcha | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | having harmattan apps and mods being in any of 3 (or more) forums is more than a bit troublesome | 03:51 |
| beford | I reverted it and applied your patch which sets it as 50 | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | esp because N900 and N9 compatibility are usually m-x | 03:51 |
| djszapi | beford: ok cool, so I only need to get "make" work on my windows | 03:52 |
| djszapi | so Linux and Mac work so far then ^^ | 03:52 |
| beford | nice | 03:52 |
| beford | itsnotabigtruck, there's a harmattan specific section no? | 03:52 |
| djszapi | beford: thanks a lot :) | 03:53 |
| beford | you are welcome | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: there's the nokia n9 forum, harmattan forum, and the apps forum | 03:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's harmattan apps/mods in all of them | 03:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but the latter is mostly n900 stuff | 03:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and the first two are mostly non-app threads | 03:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so finding anything in any of those forums is like looking for a needle in a haystack | 03:56 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | either all the apps need to be moved to one place, or moved to two places (one for maemo <= 5, one for harmattan) | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and in the first case everything needs to be marked for what platform it runs on | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw in the absence of a proper central repository for such things everyone here with apps really ought to file entries at http://n9-apps.com/ | 04:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all you need is a 220x220px thumbnail, some screenshots, and 5 mins of time | 04:01 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, if it takes more than 5 minutes, do we come to you to complain | 04:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: lol | 05:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: complain to whoever made that site because it wasn't me :p | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but all you have to do is sign up (no email verification), create a developer, create a team, create an app | 05:04 |
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| sigmaorion | Hi there... I've used SoundEffect from QtMultimediaKit to make some sounds in my app, but it's not affected by the volume I set on my device | 05:40 |
| sigmaorion | no matter if I mute my phone, it makes the sound!! | 05:40 |
| sigmaorion | is that right? | 05:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: did you get my messages about ADSR envelopes before? | 05:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also you really should use a proper irc client (vs freenode web chat) | 05:45 |
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| djszapi | sigmaorion: SoundEffect is buggy | 05:47 |
| djszapi | try to use Audio | 05:48 |
| djszapi | though, that is buggy too | 05:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i was just about to suggest using audio | 05:48 |
| * djszapi wonders what integer value return, if the timer id is invalid, for the remainingTime addition. | 05:49 | |
| sigmaorion | SoundEffect and Audio buggy!? What should I use, then? heh!! | 05:50 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, nope, I didn't get the messages | 05:50 |
| Sazpaimon | so I asked in #telepathy about my issue im hacing and still no reply :/ | 05:50 |
| sigmaorion | my internet conection brakes sometimes | 05:50 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: it is around 4-5 am in Europe | 05:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: envelope = attack, delay, sustain, release | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSR_envelope#ADSR_envelope | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's the contour of the vibra event | 05:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the top of the page i linked mentioned something along those lines | 05:51 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, true | 05:52 |
| Sazpaimon | I just really want to get this finished | 05:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also sigmaorion: brake != break :p | 05:54 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck: oooooh, right!! I use that meaning for envelope in music (synthesizers), but I was thinking all the time about an envelop, hehe! | 05:54 |
| djszapi | sigmaorion: SoundEffect works for me according to the aforementioned Scenario. | 05:55 |
| sigmaorion | oh, yes, break doen't exist! | 05:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does ebuddy xms use omb push notifications? just saw some talk about that in the tmo thread | 05:55 |
| sigmaorion | *doesn't | 05:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: hm? brake is what a car does, break is what your phone does if you do something stupid ;) | 05:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or a car too...maybe i should rethink that analogy | 05:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if ebuddy xms uses nokia push, that means you have to trust both ebuddy and nokia to not mishandle your messages | 05:58 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck... it's about 1am here, maybe it's too late for me, lol!! You are right! | 05:59 |
| sigmaorion | djszapi, what is the aforementiones scenario? that it's buggy? | 05:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: nah, i was just being a grammar fascist | 06:01 |
| djszapi | it behaves according to the volumeI set on my device. | 06:01 |
| * djszapi should clean up the chips under the space button of the keyboard to dismiss the stickyness. | 06:01 | |
| sigmaorion | djszapi, on what device? | 06:02 |
| djszapi | N9 | 06:02 |
| sigmaorion | same as mine... wierd! | 06:02 |
| sigmaorion | where was the right place to paste some code? | 06:03 |
| djszapi | paste.kde.org | 06:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: https://gist.github.com | 06:03 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, thanks! | 06:03 |
| sigmaorion | well, my (cropped for simplicity) code is here: https://gist.github.com/f7dbaa597b792255c0f2 | 06:05 |
| sigmaorion | it's really simple, you tap the screen and the sound plays | 06:05 |
| sigmaorion | is there something I am missing? | 06:05 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, maybe you can help me with this issue then | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | for some reason my translation file isnt working | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | my program loads it, but all my strings show their untranslated version | 06:06 |
| * djszapi is going to Nokia soon | 06:06 | |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, by the way, thanks for pointing me today earlier to QtMobility.feedback, it worked like a charm! | 06:06 |
| djszapi | and I still have tasks to be finished, sorry. | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | well then | 06:07 |
| djszapi | plus I did not sleep too much time this night either :/ | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | i may just say screw it to i18n | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | and just make all my strings english | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | and remove the ts file altogether :/ | 06:07 |
| djszapi | I dislike the qt translation system | 06:07 |
| djszapi | I use the KDE translation system personally. | 06:07 |
| djszapi | imo, way more elegant. | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | can that be used on harmattan? | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | that is to say, without any extra libraries | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think you'd need the libs | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | well whatever then | 06:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi's game loads a bunch of libs using LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 06:09 |
| Sazpaimon | screw localization | 06:09 |
| djszapi | you need the lib, but since I am mostly interested in KDE projects, it is not an issue for me. | 06:09 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: not because of that | 06:09 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont even think steam localizes their own desktop client | 06:09 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: you would need one so, that is | 06:09 |
| djszapi | "so". | 06:09 |
| djszapi | but you do not profit that much, if the project is not hosted in the KDE repository for our 65-100 translator teams. | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | one nice thing about going i18n is it enforces keeping ui text out of the program | 06:11 |
| djszapi | they cannot get it that simply for translations. | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even if the only localization is english | 06:11 |
| djszapi | transltion* | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, but then you need to know what string applies to what text | 06:12 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: the ui text is in my program. | 06:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: right, so you name the strings with descriptive names | 06:12 |
| Sazpaimon | ive seen people go overboard with that | 06:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like error_catastrophic_fmt = "Catastrophic error: %s" | 06:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that kind of thing | 06:12 |
| Sazpaimon | like, one project had the string be the entire english line | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | but lowercase, and underscored | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, obviously that's just wrong | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | even if the string was like, 10 or more words | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | obviously the guy couldnt remember it | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | insert_element_dialog_desc = good, Enter_the_property_information_for_your_element_below = bad | 06:14 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: we have 100+ translations for KDE | 06:14 |
| djszapi | so it is pretty much unbeatable :P | 06:14 |
| Sazpaimon | you also have 100+ contributors to KDE | 06:14 |
| djszapi | and many of them are close to complete in general | 06:14 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe even 1000+ | 06:14 |
| djszapi | no | 06:14 |
| djszapi | we have much more than 100 ;) | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: that doesn't exactly help sazpaimon and his steam app | 06:15 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: except that nobody said it helps right now | 06:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but Sazpaimon: you might be able to recruit some translators on tmo | 06:15 |
| djszapi | I am just stating facts, why I would never use qt system | 06:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i wasnt looking for translators | 06:15 |
| sigmaorion | well, my volume issue seems to be addressed and fixed here, maybe it works with next device software update: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTMOBILITY-833?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel | 06:15 |
| djszapi | it is just plain deficit. | 06:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i just waned to get this damn qm file to work | 06:15 |
| Sazpaimon | very irritating | 06:15 |
| Sazpaimon | because according to strace the program finds the qm file, and loads it | 06:16 |
| Sazpaimon | but strings remain untranslated | 06:16 |
| Sazpaimon | ¯\(º o)/¯ | 06:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: it says that was fixed in qtmobility 1.1.1 | 06:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pr1.1 has qtmobility 1.2.1 | 06:17 |
| djszapi | sigmaorion: they say, it is like that if you play the sound effect | 06:17 |
| djszapi | you did not say, it was happening that time. | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that bug was fixed way before even the first public harmattan release | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe there was a regression? | 06:17 |
| sigmaorion | dunno, maybe I must seriously think about using C++, as I do for desktop apps (using Qt too) | 06:19 |
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| djszapi | the problem is that the QMediaPlayer API, even in C++, is a crap. | 06:20 |
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| sigmaorion | it was just a project to make some visual entertainment for my 3 months old baby girl... it was funny! | 06:20 |
| djszapi | hehe | 06:21 |
| sigmaorion | djszapi, what's the right API to use, then? | 06:21 |
| sigmaorion | there must be one! | 06:21 |
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| djszapi | I prefer phonon. | 06:22 |
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| djszapi | but just stick with audio | 06:22 |
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| djszapi | and I am also writing an audio API, actually a Qt5 module | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: but apparently the downside of audio is that you can't load a resource | 06:22 |
| djszapi | QtAudio3D | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is exactly what sigma is doing | 06:22 |
| djszapi | ofc you can | 06:22 |
| djszapi | I do it in my app. | 06:23 |
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| djszapi | kanagram used to use Audio in the beginning | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8522988 this is where i got that | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but harmattan qtmobility doesn't seem to use the qsound backend so i guess that's irrelevant | 06:24 |
| djszapi | the first line is already quite wrong | 06:24 |
| djszapi | it is not a wrapper... | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, except, qml audio isn't qtmobility is it | 06:24 |
| djszapi | so I do not trust in that post, sorry. | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | qml soundeffect is | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nope, they both are | 06:24 |
| djszapi | oh QSound, not qml sound | 06:25 |
| djszapi | also, please note the fact, QSound is gone in Qt5 as is | 06:25 |
| djszapi | for good(tm) | 06:25 |
| sigmaorion | isn't phonon a kde lib? or is it Qt's? | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | think it's qt | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like it started off as kde | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then it got merged into qt | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but now they're getting rid of it | 06:26 |
| djszapi | well, it apparently works for me. | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | qtmultimedia replaces phonon | 06:26 |
| djszapi | sigmaorion: phonon is qt | 06:26 |
| sigmaorion | is phonon available on harmattan? | 06:26 |
| djszapi | especially on Harmattan | 06:26 |
| sigmaorion | oh, great! | 06:26 |
| sigmaorion | heh | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | libqt4-phonon | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yup | 06:27 |
| sigmaorion | how low/high level is phonon? | 06:27 |
| djszapi | sigmaorion: it only started to be hosted in a kde repository that is all | 06:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: you're going to have to do a callout to c++ | 06:27 |
| djszapi | and frankly, Brisbane is ... like a nightmare | 06:27 |
| djszapi | around the multimedia things, seriously. | 06:28 |
| djszapi | they duplicated phonon for fun | 06:28 |
| djszapi | and even in a crappier way | 06:28 |
| djszapi | with/out/ contacting anybody in the world. | 06:28 |
| djszapi | they made the community very very sad | 06:28 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, I'll use only C++ | 06:28 |
| djszapi | they advised me to cooperate with them | 06:29 |
| djszapi | because they need QtAudio3D, but no thanks. | 06:29 |
| djszapi | I would personally remove the Multimedia(Kit) altogether | 06:30 |
| * djszapi should actually change to phonon for kanagram | 06:31 | |
| sigmaorion | gotta go, thank you, guys, see you! | 06:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: so does OBS support repo signing? | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess it must because apps.formeego.org is based on it | 06:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | looks like it does, command is osc signkey --create | 06:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm having a hard time figuring out how to tell it what parameters to use on the key | 06:45 |
| djszapi | ofc it supports. | 06:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: it's not exactly an "of course", it wasn't even originally built for debian systems | 06:49 |
| djszapi | c-obs was established not long ago.. | 06:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right but it could e.g. be some hack specifically for c-obs, that people who don't have direct access to the system can't do | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact, OBS forces the parameters for gpg apt keys, but the c-obs signing key has a different name than what OBS would have picked | 06:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | meaning the key was probably imported directly instead of generated with osc signkey | 06:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pub 2048R/792563E3 2011-10-17 [expires: 2020-10-14] uid Community Apps (Harmattan) <apps@formeego.org> | 06:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi ^ | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, later! | 06:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | too bad it's probably not so easy to get the nokia sdk repo signed :/ | 06:56 |
| djszapi | it is | 07:10 |
| djszapi | since c-obs just imports the packages for building. | 07:11 |
| djszapi | building is the easy bit, installation on the device is the tricky one. | 07:11 |
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| decoy | tell me... a friend of mine mentioned "Aegis". what is that all about? are there any online references about it? | 07:40 |
| djszapi | yes | 07:40 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security.html | 07:41 |
| decoy | i'd also be interesting in knowing how it differs from any earlier TPM, or TPM-like stuff Nokia has done. | 07:42 |
| decoy | (and I mean, boiling it downto something understandable. security guidelines... we all know already they're more lawyerspeak than a technical spec.) | 07:43 |
| djszapi | if you ask for help, you could have a bit better tone. | 07:44 |
| djszapi | keep reading theguide we wrote, please. | 07:44 |
| decoy | you wrote it? so where's the hardware interface section, and the full api specification? i'm sorry i didn't ask for them sooner already. | 07:45 |
| * djszapi afk | 07:46 | |
| decoy | heh. obviously nobody much likes lawyers. | 07:50 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: good news is that, the (non)signing is not an issue with the community obs and aegis-install. ;-) | 08:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | decoy: | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis | 09:17 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 09:17 |
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| decoy | docscrutinizer: the problem is that the precise internals of aegis (whatever it is) aren't spelled out even there. | 09:56 |
| decoy | i do know how tpm and the like work. but if aegis is an incarnation of that sort of a technology, within harmattan sw and/or nokia hw, i'd like to know its precise form. | 09:57 |
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| decoy | docscrutinizer: i mean, intel does publicize its trusted computing infrastructure support rather widely. it doesn't rely on security by obscurity. does the same apply to aegis, which you seem to tell me is another incarnation of that idea? | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | decoy: well, most parts are OSS in kernel with a few tools in userland that may or may not be OSS | 10:07 |
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| rzr | djszapi: hi | 10:09 |
| rzr | djszapi: something wrong happend ? w/ upstart ? | 10:09 |
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| rzr | djszapi: the search feat is also screwed ... X-Fade may knows what is happening | 10:11 |
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| decoy | docscrutinizer51: so what are those parts, precisely? it's pretty difficult to dig them up from the online documentation. in particular even the precise the binary interface to harmattan's security functions seems to be a bit vague. | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | decoy: sorry, don't ask me, I know enough about that stuff to frown at it | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but no more than that | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dec | 10:15 |
| decoy | that's no reason to not know it by heart. just look at what i'm asking and how, right now. :) | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | decoy: you mightr be interested in: | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~no-aegis | 10:16 |
| infobot | somebody said aegis-no-thanks was http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 10:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl, daywork | 10:19 |
| auenfx4 | daywork? | 10:28 |
| djszapi | rzr: yeah, we have huge issues. | 10:29 |
| djszapi | the nokia SDK repository got broken. | 10:29 |
| djszapi | X-Fade might wanna stop importing package from there. | 10:29 |
| djszapi | since it is not meant to be for us, apparently. | 10:29 |
| rzr | djszapi: well then we'll have to move somewhere else ? | 10:40 |
| djszapi | rzr: they fucked up | 10:41 |
| djszapi | I am really unhappy about Nokia at this point :/ | 10:41 |
| djszapi | we should get rid of this shitty Nokia SDK | 10:41 |
| djszapi | Though, I have no clue how we can actually do this in the practice without too much man power. | 10:42 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade could you please get rid of the Nokia SDK repository, and import packages only from the supported "repositories", like apps, tools and so on ? | 10:54 |
| djszapi | I have been said (Sadly) it is not supported for packages on the device, thus we should not really use it by any mean in the harmattan target of the c-obs. | 10:55 |
| djszapi | not sure it can be configured project-wise, but the community repository would not like to depend on it, I guess. | 10:55 |
| djszapi | rzr: why do we have 56 succeeded packages and 441 unresolvable ? | 10:58 |
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| djszapi | rzr: interesting, the same issue with upstart as someone previously noted. | 11:06 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade lbt: is this t he consequence of the last outage or something else ? https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24934 | 11:14 |
| djszapi | is upstart still imported properly after the outage ? | 11:17 |
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| gri | "/opt/web2sms/bin/web2sms-messaging-ui: symbol lookup error: /opt/web2sms/lib/libweb2sms.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZTV17AvatarImageShared" what does this mean? There is nothing missing from that class, I do not know what it's looking for ... | 12:03 |
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| gri | source for the class: http://pastebin.com/4rEuid3j | 12:07 |
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| rzr | djszapi: upstrat is screwing us | 12:12 |
| rzr | djszapi: is it from nokia repo ? | 12:13 |
| djszapi | rzr: my gut feeling is that the last OBS break did not recover well | 12:13 |
| auenfx4 | pastebin wordwrap confuses my tired eyes... | 12:14 |
| gri | ok, I found it | 12:14 |
| gri | in my late-night coding I forgot to include the .moc file | 12:14 |
| djszapi | okay, so it was not just me making a serious mistake last night while coding ... :P | 12:16 |
| auenfx4 | thats usually when i write the best code (that i cant understand the next day) | 12:16 |
| djszapi | I was honestly surprised this morning I pushed a patch I cannot even recall I wrote :P | 12:17 |
| rzr | this project is doomed :) | 12:25 |
| djszapi | rzr: which one ? Harmy ? | 12:26 |
| rzr | meego and cie | 12:26 |
| djszapi | what is "cie" ? | 12:26 |
| rzr | cie my be a french abrev | 12:26 |
| rzr | meego and company | 12:27 |
| rzr | you can translate "et compagnie" as " and what goes along" | 12:27 |
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| rzr | djszapi: is it safe to backup the whole repo now ? | 12:29 |
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| djszapi | is that reasonable I had 10 Free downloads for my app 1-2 days ago, and now almost 400 ? | 12:44 |
| djszapi | are there downloading machines ? | 12:44 |
| djszapi | or how can it get grown that much ? | 12:44 |
| matrixx | I think it's pretty much normal for a free app | 12:46 |
| matrixx | when it costs 1e, it will be like < 100 downloads ever :D | 12:46 |
| djszapi | mmh, 'kay. gri also mentioned previously many downloads without comment from Chinese people iirc | 12:47 |
| djszapi | rzr: not sure | 12:47 |
| auenfx4 | lots of chinese have n9's? | 12:47 |
| auenfx4 | or there is actually a chinese clone with harmattan? | 12:47 |
| matrixx | might be peaks in downloads if the link is spreading in social media | 12:48 |
| matrixx | and I guess china has many internal ones | 12:48 |
| decibyte | omg. then the chinese actually _will_ take over the world soon. | 12:48 |
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| pa | newbie question: is meego (harmattan) essentially a debian arm? meaning can i take a package for debian arm and install it on the n9? | 12:51 |
| kimju | no. | 12:52 |
| psycho_oreos | don't forget the aegis | 12:52 |
| djszapi | pa: if the same arm... I would think it can work out in very simple cases... | 12:52 |
| djszapi | but probably simpler to just rebuild it in sb or madde. | 12:53 |
| pa | ah i see | 12:54 |
| pa | coz i was looking for a nice file manager with samba support.. and i saw theres not really much | 12:54 |
| pa | so i was thinking: why not just take Konqueror? | 12:55 |
| auenfx4 | heh, the file manager i have installed is now a paid app in ovi store | 12:55 |
| djszapi | pa: konqueror ? :D as in, really ? :D | 12:59 |
| djszapi | Anybody from Darmstadt ? | 13:04 |
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| pa | well i think konqueror is great especially as file manager | 13:30 |
| pa | more than as browser | 13:30 |
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| djszapi | pa: was not really designed with mobile in mind ... | 13:38 |
| pa | that is true.. | 13:39 |
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| djszapi | pa: do you like KDE ? | 13:51 |
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| djszapi | rzr: ok, upstart issue solved. | 13:55 |
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| matrixx | Venemo_N950: he was already here but left before I noticed :( | 14:31 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey matrixx :) | 14:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | matrixx, oh, well, he'll come back | 14:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | matrixx, have you seen puzzle-master v2.0.2 yet? | 14:34 |
| matrixx | Venemo_N950: actually no, I haven't have time to check the store in a looooong long time | 14:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | matrixx, I san send you a .deb this evening :) | 14:34 |
| matrixx | Venemo_N950: nice, thanks | 14:35 |
| matrixx | Venemo_N950: any new strings to translate? ;) | 14:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'm at work now, can't upload it from here | 14:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | no new strings :) | 14:35 |
| matrixx | yeah, me too, have to work :) | 14:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | I won't add any new strings until I raise the minor version... don't want to bother you guys with it | 14:37 |
| pa | djszapi, actually not too much, but i like some kde applications | 14:41 |
| Venemo_N950 | matrixx, v2.(n+1).0 will have a tutorial feature which'll require new strings, but no new strings until then :) | 14:41 |
| pa | and konqueror (as file browser) is one of those :) | 14:41 |
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| matrixx | Venemo_N950: ok, ping me when you need more strings :) | 14:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | matrixx, sure I will | 15:01 |
| djszapi | How can I update the screenshots for my application in OVI along with a release update if I overhauled the Ui ? | 15:02 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, screenshots are in the content item, it takes a push of a button to update them | 15:04 |
| jonni | + 1-3 days before someone from QA approves the changes :) | 15:05 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: what do you mean ? | 15:06 |
| djszapi | I do not see any options in the "Content file" tab. | 15:06 |
| djszapi | nor anything potential after preshing the Submit button either. | 15:06 |
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| djszapi | pressing* | 15:06 |
| blueslee | i can not get actice cellid paramters on an n9 with dbus, it only works when gsm is just registering or when the cellid changes, checked with dbus-monitoring | 15:07 |
| jonni | but in real life you cannot sync the new deb and changed UI in ovi store descriptions | 15:07 |
| jonni | as 99.9% of the time the picture change is approved at different time as .deb | 15:08 |
| djszapi | it is no go, if the old screenshots remain until the destiny... | 15:08 |
| djszapi | jonni: it is not really about sync'ing. | 15:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I said content item, not content file | 15:08 |
| jonni | but you can update the screenshots after deb has been updated | 15:08 |
| djszapi | I do not mind having it async, but the thing is that there is no option for that. | 15:08 |
| jonni | its on different tab :) | 15:09 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: there is no such a thing here. | 15:09 |
| djszapi | so not sure what you mean ;-) | 15:09 |
| jonni | not in content file page, different page | 15:09 |
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| djszapi | I do not see that different page... | 15:10 |
| djszapi | I only see content file, and distribution... | 15:10 |
| jonni | content->yourapplication->ContentItem TAB | 15:10 |
| djszapi | apparently, the key here is to go back | 15:10 |
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| djszapi | it is not there by default. | 15:10 |
| jonni | same page where you can change the price of your app | 15:10 |
| djszapi | w00t ? 3 screenshots only ? | 15:11 |
| jonni | yep 3 screenshots + some promotion screenshots | 15:11 |
| djszapi | maybe 2x3 which is still not enough... | 15:11 |
| djszapi | I would have 8-10 ... | 15:11 |
| djszapi | to say the least.. | 15:12 |
| jonni | combine then into one with gimp | 15:12 |
| djszapi | meh | 15:12 |
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| djszapi | I wonder who invented this square requirement and and with what in mind | 15:14 |
| jonni | ovistore square format for desktop webui and for symbian. So its just inherited :) | 15:16 |
| djszapi | yes, but why | 15:16 |
| jonni | square is beatiful shape :) | 15:16 |
| djszapi | I propose requiring pink screenshots with fluffies :) | 15:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: you still haven't filed your n9 apps entry :p | 15:17 |
| djszapi | and I am not gonna do that .. | 15:17 |
| djszapi | for the very time being, at least. :) | 15:18 |
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| djszapi | mmmh, I can upload more pictures to the ambassador page. | 15:25 |
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| blueslee | how do i write data from dbus-monitor to a file, but only for n seconds? | 15:29 |
| djszapi | if anybody is interested in testing the kanagram update: http://minus.com/mxtyxkp9L#1 | 15:30 |
| blueslee | okay, i could kill the process | 15:30 |
| djszapi | still for free because I first wait for you getting maniac, and then no chance to leave when I make it expensive :P | 15:31 |
| blueslee | "command > file" for n secs, any alternative ideas? | 15:31 |
| blueslee | djszapi: oh, its your app, nice one | 15:31 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: btw, we will not update the dpkg wrapper most likely | 15:38 |
| djszapi | too much risk to update the core part of the platform... | 15:38 |
| djszapi | (not my words) | 15:38 |
| djszapi | and some do not consider it regression, but secuirty hardening ;-) | 15:38 |
| djszapi | blueslee: yep, very simple app, but thanks. :P | 15:39 |
| e0x | blueslee: you can run the app capture the PID number then do sleep 900; kill -9 $PID | 15:43 |
| blueslee | e0x: i am doing it more or less that way, only thought that there is a better way | 15:44 |
| e0x | maybe | 15:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: :( oh well | 15:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i (or someone, anyway) needs to post a heads up on tmo to get stuff signed STAT | 15:47 |
| djszapi | will not solve it for the Nokia SDK repository. | 15:48 |
| djszapi | so we need to get rid of that in the community repository asap | 15:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i take it the SDK people aren't very receptive to signing it? | 15:48 |
| djszapi | they heavily object to that (for, no idea, what reason) | 15:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess it's not "supposed to" be used on target devices anyway | 15:49 |
| djszapi | they say the Nokia SDK repository was not meant for device usage. | 15:49 |
| djszapi | exactly. | 15:49 |
| djszapi | and that is why we need to ged rid of this shit | 15:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | could mirror the open source part of the sdk repo | 15:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since it's open source after all | 15:49 |
| djszapi | yes, but X-Fade needs to rebase c-obs first | 15:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia-binaries part is probably a no go from a legal standpoint though | 15:50 |
| djszapi | since he imported the SDK as is. | 15:50 |
| djszapi | with minor modification afaik. | 15:50 |
| pa | did anyone compile vlc for meego? | 15:50 |
| pa | i was looking for a music player able to play an mp3 file over http | 15:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, that's another thing...since nokia's ovi impositions regarding pr1.0 don't apply to obs, that stuff really ought to be fully up to date | 15:50 |
| pa | without having to download it before | 15:50 |
| djszapi | pa: someone did only this: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=vlc-remote-meego&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 15:50 |
| djszapi | pa: port tomahawk :) | 15:51 |
| djszapi | so we do not have this issue on c-obs while building | 15:51 |
| djszapi | we have the problem when you try to install the packages built. | 15:51 |
| djszapi | Although, the community repository installation works fine without signature. | 15:52 |
| djszapi | but the fact is that, aegis-deb-release shows also unknown | 15:52 |
| djszapi | without any keys | 15:52 |
| djszapi | as for the SDK repo, it shows SHAs | 15:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoa, that's weird | 15:52 |
| djszapi | still, we should sign the community repository. | 15:52 |
| pa | djszapi, do you also know anything about this misterious alien dalvik? is it really coming out or was it just a joke? | 15:54 |
| djszapi | I have no clue. | 15:54 |
| blueslee | pa: mplayer? | 15:55 |
| pa | is there for meego? | 15:56 |
| blueslee | pa: its a "joke" | 15:56 |
| pa | that would be perfect | 15:56 |
| pa | even tho it's command line | 15:56 |
| blueslee | pa: yes there is | 15:56 |
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| blueslee | pa: then check kmplayer as a front end | 15:57 |
| pyhimys | My N9 complains about "Application Data" being full. Settings->Device->Storage indeed shows it being 2.1/2.1. I tried ssh:ing to the device but am none the wiser. Any tips on where to find the culprit. /home -partition seems quite full | 15:57 |
| pyhimys | /home/user/.cache/telepathy/avatars/gabble/jabber # find . -mtime +30 | wc -l | 15:58 |
| pyhimys | 15550 | 15:58 |
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| blueslee | pa: http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?name=KMPlayer&fldAuto=96&faq=2 | 15:58 |
| pa | myMeego, is it some sort of unofficial community based store? | 15:59 |
| blueslee | pa: i guess it is something like that ... | 16:00 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: imho, we should collect people for voting the Nokia SDK repository signature. | 16:01 |
| djszapi | we should really push the overhead for the community maintenance. | 16:01 |
| djszapi | and I do not think a signature can cause any regressions. | 16:01 |
| djszapi | nor is it hard to create, I believe. | 16:01 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: could you please open a public bug report about that ? | 16:01 |
| djszapi | It would be weird after brainstorming with everybody internally, I open a public bugreport :) | 16:02 |
| djszapi | it would sound like something, it is just me I wanna. | 16:02 |
| djszapi | after the report is created, many votes etc, I can show it to them ... | 16:02 |
| djszapi | make sure, you do not propose the dpkg wrapper fix | 16:05 |
| djszapi | since that is even heftier to get through... | 16:05 |
| djszapi | so be clear you do not wanna anything else just having a Nokia repository signed... | 16:06 |
| pa | blueslee, do you use also the worldtv99? (which i dont know what it is) | 16:06 |
| blueslee | pa: i neither use mplayer :-) | 16:08 |
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| folivora | Gday, Does anyone have some fix for the issue when N9 is asking passwords for email/socialapps/skye ect.. After every reboot / wifi <-> 3g change.. | 16:15 |
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| matrixx | folivora: the fix should come in the next update | 16:16 |
| folivora | matrixx: hmm, any "temp" fix for it.. | 16:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well of course i *want* lots of things, but that is the issue at hand right? :p | 16:18 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 16:18 |
| matrixx | folivora: not that I've heard of, though it doesn't say there isn't one | 16:19 |
| folivora | matrixx: hehe, true... It is a bit annoying issue and ofc it is draining battery | 16:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: the issue = the nokia repo not being signed | 16:22 |
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| matrixx | yeah, I had it in my N950, haven't striked on N9 though (yet, *knocks the wood*) | 16:23 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: yes, I would personally go for the aegis-install fix | 16:26 |
| djszapi | since I already sent the whereabout of the bug. | 16:26 |
| djszapi | but that is just impossible to get through at this stage. | 16:26 |
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| matrixx | folivora: especially annoying since I have several email accounts configured, and every time had to reinsert the password for all of those + facebook + twitter + nokia account | 16:34 |
| folivora | matrixx: yap, I have add to that few different auth-smtp services... | 16:35 |
| folivora | grrr | 16:35 |
| matrixx | what a joy | 16:36 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | heads up guys - opera just released a proper version of OM for harmattan | 16:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/Meego/1150/operamobile-labs_11.50.21_armel.deb | 16:49 |
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| beford | nice | 16:49 |
| beford | downloading | 16:53 |
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| flux | meh, it uses its custom vkb | 16:53 |
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| petteri | for me it seems that N900 version is nicer than that | 16:54 |
| * djszapiN9 should find someone either living in Darmstadt, or having an acquaintance in there. | 16:54 | |
| flux | at least it starts up pretty fast | 16:57 |
| gri | Could it be that the WebView QML item is crap? I thought it's as easy as creating one and setting an url ... but it does not size correctly nor I can interact with it | 16:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | bbl | 17:17 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: do not forget the bug report, preferably today | 17:19 |
| djszapi | to open* | 17:19 |
| djszapi | so I can already show them tomorrow. | 17:19 |
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| Iktwo | hi, does someone know how to update the icon cache manually? | 18:04 |
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| djszapi | Iktwo: why do you need that ? | 18:35 |
| Iktwo | I'm creating icons in an app sometimes they show sometimes not | 18:38 |
| Iktwo | so I was wondering how could I trigger the update | 18:38 |
| djszapi | Iktwo: can you use absolute paths ? | 18:38 |
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| Iktwo | sure | 18:38 |
| djszapi | That should work unless it is an account plugin. | 18:38 |
| djszapi | (account plugin icon will probably fixed in PR1.3., too) | 18:38 |
| Iktwo | great, thanks | 18:39 |
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| Aard | Iktwo: having a script send mthemedaemon HUP in postinstall scripts is a dirty (but working) hack | 18:44 |
| Iktwo | Aard: oh, I haven't tought of that, thanks :D | 18:45 |
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| djszapiN9 | plus should be rejected by ovi | 19:05 |
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| sigmaorion | hi there! djszapi, guess what... I changed SoundEffect for Audio and now I get segmentation fault when I call SoundEffect::play!! | 19:21 |
| djszapiN9 | yes, it happens. | 19:21 |
| djszapiN9 | try without resource first. | 19:21 |
| djszapiN9 | if yhat works, you are pretty much out of qml | 19:22 |
| sigmaorion | lol!!! ok! | 19:22 |
| sigmaorion | baby has just woke up... be right back! | 19:22 |
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| djszapiN9 | or you can drop the resource mentality, if you do not wanna hack in c++ | 19:23 |
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| rzr | X-Fade: thx for fixing our tool :) , djszapi | 19:40 |
| sigmaorion | djszapiN9, well, I've got no audio now, lol! | 19:41 |
| sigmaorion | which path should I use if I don't use the resource? | 19:41 |
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| djszapiN9 | for instance the same folrder ehere the main qml.resides. | 19:44 |
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| sigmaorion | it works, but I still have no volume control from system's volume | 19:49 |
| sigmaorion | I give up... C++ and phonon is next step, I guess | 19:50 |
| djszapiN9 | :/ | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | argh, i hate midterms | 19:55 |
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| sigmaorion | gotta go to the mall... see you later, guys! | 19:57 |
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| djszapi | rzr: not fixed yet, unfortunately :/ | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it seems spareparts.dk has a four-week lead time on n9 usb doors :( | 19:59 |
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| rzr | http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/21/canonical-announces-ubuntu-for-android/ | 20:03 |
| rzr | djszapi: X-Fade can we help ? | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw is there any difference in the battery management stuff between n950 and n9? | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: ok, so you wanted me to file a bug on aegis-install, or on the sdk repo | 20:08 |
| djszapi | please wait a sec, booking the flight to the plasma active sprint... | 20:08 |
| rzr | the good news is that my avatar changed : https://build.pub.meego.com/home?user=rzr | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | whoa this is weird, better nuke the emmc too | 20:10 |
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| jpwhiting | hmm, are there any mtf experts here? | 20:19 |
| jpwhiting | I don't see any way to disable an MButtonModel (maybe because it's not a real button?) | 20:19 |
| Sazpaimon | i finally got my l10n stuff working | 20:28 |
| Sazpaimon | the accounts plugin is now like 90% working | 20:29 |
| Sazpaimon | gotta figure out why I cant edit correctly | 20:29 |
| Sazpaimon | then I need to implement support for steam guard | 20:30 |
| Sazpaimon | oh wait there it goes | 20:30 |
| Sazpaimon | derp | 20:30 |
| djszapi | seriously....someone from Finland please ? | 20:31 |
| djszapi | I can log into my netbank account normally if I go to the page directly, but if the airline company redirects me to there, it writes me that I am not allowed... | 20:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | this is that airline that doesn't like it if you pay by credit card, isn't it | 20:32 |
| djszapi | it is debit, not credit | 20:32 |
| djszapi | but they wrote that VISA electron is okay, and I paid with the same card last year to this airline company. | 20:32 |
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| faenil | mm need help guys | 20:35 |
| faenil | I'm defining | 20:35 |
| faenil | property alias hello: test.hello | 20:36 |
| faenil | but it report id "test" not found | 20:36 |
| faenil | even if I use test.hello directly in the following lines, and it doesn't produce any error | 20:36 |
| djszapi | grep for it | 20:36 |
| faenil | is there any limit about aliasing? | 20:36 |
| faenil | like you can't alias property which are very deep in the items hierarchy | 20:37 |
| djszapi | at least I had embedded idS when I tried. | 20:37 |
| djszapi | nested like 2-3 levels. | 20:38 |
| faenil | I have like 7 levels here | 20:38 |
| faenil | 8 actually | 20:38 |
| * djszapi will be missing this sprint again because of some silly afair again :/ | 20:38 | |
| djszapi | faenil: wth :D | 20:38 |
| faenil | complex ui XD | 20:38 |
| faenil | argh :( | 20:39 |
| faenil | let's try double aliasing | 20:40 |
| faenil | I'll put another alias in the middle of the hierarchy | 20:40 |
| faenil | don't if it's better to hope it will work, or it won't | 20:42 |
| faenil | don't know* | 20:42 |
| faenil | nope it doesn't work either | 20:43 |
| faenil | oh qml what do you want from me now!? | 20:43 |
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| faenil | so property alias hello: test.hello doesn't work | 20:47 |
| faenil | but property bool hello: test.hello does... | 20:47 |
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| djszapi | okay, no customer service available :/ | 20:52 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: https://crypty.ch/p/Bff52cUS#7aaad4a9e4317d8e718bff378664c23c | 21:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is that bug report palatable | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe i should use a pastebin that has word wrap, lol | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://dpaste.org/L94X7/ | 21:07 |
| djszapi | sorry, still trying to figure out the PA sprint flight details : | 21:08 |
| djszapi | :/ | 21:08 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: Due to a regression in PR1.2's aegis-install, -> Due to a regression (or not documented hardening?) in PR1.2's aegis-install, | 21:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i wouldn't call something that can be overridden by deleting a single file, "hardening" | 21:18 |
| djszapi | we never know what they planned. | 21:18 |
| djszapi | we need to avoid the unneccesary iterations, though | 21:18 |
| djszapi | otherwise you might also get, "ohh it is hardening in my pov" | 21:19 |
| djszapi | and I would like to avoid that iteration since that type of reply is useless for the matter. | 21:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fair enough, as much as i'd rather call a spade a spade it's probably politically expedient | 21:19 |
| djszapi | I was also surprised one of the guys said this | 21:19 |
| djszapi | since it is a useless iteration from customer POV | 21:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is > Due to a regression (or unexpected change) in PR1.2's aegis-install < acceptable? | 21:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or maybe an unexpected change (or regression) | 21:20 |
| djszapi | they will say it is an expected change | 21:21 |
| djszapi | they /might/ say. | 21:21 |
| djszapi | do not keep holes them to argue :P | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it's unexpected outside of nokia :p | 21:21 |
| djszapi | for* | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, undocumented change | 21:21 |
| djszapi | it does not matter whether it is planned | 21:22 |
| djszapi | or regression | 21:22 |
| djszapi | customer is unhappy. | 21:22 |
| djszapi | that is what matters. | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, everything else is ok? | 21:22 |
| djszapi | packages cannot be installed from repositories that do not use APT signatures -> not correct | 21:24 |
| djszapi | I can install from the c-obs. | 21:24 |
| djszapi | repo* | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you referring to your rzr repo, or the nokia-sanctioned appsformeego repo | 21:25 |
| djszapi | also, provide the aegis-origin output to them | 21:25 |
| djszapi | and the aegis-deb-release output, too. | 21:25 |
| djszapi | also, ar t bash*.deb | 21:25 |
| djszapi | to see it does not contain any signatures either | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't have pr1.2 loaded | 21:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i found a pastebin from when it was being discussed before here | 21:25 |
| djszapi | rzr repo | 21:25 |
| djszapi | I have that data | 21:26 |
| djszapi | hold on | 21:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you sure about that? if so that's probably another bug...i checked and the unofficial repo isn't signed | 21:26 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/426632/ | 21:26 |
| djszapi | let us fix upstream repos later | 21:27 |
| djszapi | if any, but I do not think we need that | 21:27 |
| djszapi | let us get the SDK repo fixed firs.t | 21:27 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: ok, how about http://dpaste.org/rdwhP/ | 21:31 |
| djszapi | looks good for what is there. | 21:32 |
| djszapi | but please add the fact it brokes the repositories depending on this | 21:32 |
| djszapi | since that is the most important bit. | 21:32 |
| djszapi | 500 project, let us ... calculate average 2-3 packages per project | 21:33 |
| djszapi | so we have 1000-1500 packages in a repo depending on this broken one. | 21:33 |
| djszapi | and then the upper layer is the community store etc | 21:33 |
| djszapi | they need to see the business case for the change. | 21:33 |
| djszapi | why we make the noise. | 21:33 |
| djszapi | also mention that, signing is not really a big or risky effort ;-) | 21:34 |
| djszapi | to avoid this iteration, too ... | 21:34 |
| djszapi | you can probably mention the Debian recommendation, too | 21:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, i just submitted it :p | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978 | 21:35 |
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| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 978 maj, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.2 | 21:35 |
| djszapi | ok so @people, vote ^ | 21:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'll go make a tmo thread | 21:35 |
| djszapi | just post in the same | 21:35 |
| djszapi | where the guy posted the "workaround". | 21:35 |
| djszapi | the guy we helped out. | 21:35 |
| djszapi | or maybe a new thread yeah...reference to the old one | 21:36 |
| djszapi | that is probably better, year | 21:36 |
| djszapi | get the attenetion, and not the Xth post somewhere. | 21:36 |
| djszapi | and thank ypu for your effort :) | 21:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hmmm, need a catchy title | 21:46 |
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| djszapi | free beers and cute women ? :D | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what would get the newbs to pay attention to this | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 21:46 |
| jaywink | Hey. Anyone know why an icon ends up showing on the device as a red square? Just looking for possible reasons, if it's a known issue caused by something. (N9, icon in Share UI plugin) | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | [Alert] PR1.2 install bug - take action now! < doesn't seem quite catchy enough | 21:47 |
| djszapi | not much people understand the issue right now apart from us | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jaywink: it means it can't find the icon for the app | 21:47 |
| djszapi | but I am pretty sure when everybody realizes it, there is going to be many facepalms. | 21:47 |
| djszapi | many* | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cat /usr/share/applications/yourapp.desktop | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's an icon entry there, usually something like icon-l-foo | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that means there has to be an icon-l-foo.png in the right spot | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | otherwise you get the red square | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, if you have an N950, put pr1.2 on it, and installed account-plugin-skype from the repos, they renamed the skype icon | 21:48 |
| djszapi | "Broken installation from the Nokia SDK repository ? :(" | 21:48 |
| jaywink | itsnotabigtruck, ok, so it's not in the right place then or I'm not calling it right. It's actually an icon for a plugin in Share UI, so I'm assuming it doesn't need a desktop file? | 21:48 |
| djszapi | something like that ? | 21:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: that's less catchy :p | 21:49 |
| djszapi | "Broken installation from the Nokia SDK repository due to a PR1.2 regression ? :(" | 21:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm just going to go with the take action now one | 21:49 |
| djszapi | "Broken installation from the Nokia SDK repository due to a PR1.2 regression ? As in, aegis sucks !?!?" | 21:49 |
| djszapi | that would bring quite a few trolls in :P | 21:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the trolls continuously bump the thread, great :p | 21:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167960 | 21:51 |
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| djszapi | thanks :) | 21:53 |
| piggz | are there any good sky-map type apps for N9? stellarium seems non-finger-friendly | 21:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | piggz: vote for bug 978 | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for the skymap...hmm | 21:59 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978 maj, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.2 | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also jaywink, Sazpaimon, jpwhiting, rzr, and anybody else who's awake | 22:00 |
| Sazpaimon | hello | 22:01 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, ping | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: that bug, add a vote for it | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | PR1.2 breaks the package installer so that unsigned apt repositories can't be installed from | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that includes the sdk repo that lots of people here use | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i can't figure out how to sort by votes in bugzilla, hrm | 22:02 |
| Sazpaimon | does that include the community repository too? | 22:03 |
| djszapi | nop | 22:03 |
| djszapi | just in the sense, that depends on a broken one :P | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: for some reason it still works | 22:03 |
| djszapi | so theoritically not, practically yes | 22:03 |
| Sazpaimon | probably have a special case added for it | 22:03 |
| djszapi | there is some effect on it. | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: doubt it | 22:03 |
| Sazpaimon | i don't have a bugzilla account, i'll do it later at any rate | 22:03 |
| Sazpaimon | im on a roll with this account plugin | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i wonder what's going on there actually | 22:04 |
| Sazpaimon | i just need to finish up the qml and I should be good to have other people test it | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for some reason aegis doesn't know packages from the community repo came from there, so it doesn't explode | 22:04 |
| djszapi | as I said, the aegis-deb-release output is different | 22:04 |
| djszapi | we do not have this SHA lines for the community repository | 22:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah | 22:04 |
| djszapi | that might confuse the dpkg wrapper recently for some reason. | 22:04 |
| djszapi | but I am just speculating... | 22:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=25095&stc=1&d=1329481180 :p | 22:08 |
| djszapi | haha | 22:09 |
| djszapi | the old debate.. | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167972#post1167972 ugh | 22:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yay, 5 votes on the bug | 22:22 |
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| djszapi | yep, I told to many friends on IM :P | 22:24 |
| djszapi | too :) | 22:24 |
| djszapi | we are worse preachers than the Jehova witnesses lol | 22:25 |
| djszapi | one guy wrote a script heh | 22:25 |
| djszapi | Heck, to work it around. | 22:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9 SqRt7744: vote for bug 978 stat | 22:38 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.2 | 22:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like we're up to 9 votes | 22:39 |
| gabriel9 | itsnotabigtruck: what? | 22:41 |
| djszapi | okay, I have now also voted. | 22:41 |
| SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, yessir | 22:43 |
| gabriel9 | ok, i created acc and voted | 22:43 |
| gabriel9 | chears | 22:43 |
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| gabriel9 | and now let us drink :) | 22:43 |
| gabriel9 | did you saw this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h41yVOS6fao&feature=related | 22:43 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: LOL | 22:44 |
| gabriel9 | what, i had a long day | 22:45 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 22:45 |
| * djszapi falls :D | 22:45 | |
| djszapi | gabriel9: that video happened at our stand | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9 SqRt7744: awesome | 22:45 |
| djszapi | in the K building. | 22:45 |
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| * djszapi would like to pay the airplane tickets for the Plasma Active sprint :/ | 22:46 | |
| SqRt7744 | ok, I voted, but I don't want it fixed.. because **** you, that's why! | 22:46 |
| gabriel9 | on your stand | 22:47 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 22:47 |
| gabriel9 | i was thinking to get one | 22:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 22:47 |
| Sazpaimon | I hate how if all I change is qml, qt creator refuses to re-deploy | 22:47 |
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| djszapi | gabriel9: that is not the spark... | 22:48 |
| gabriel9 | no, what is it? | 22:48 |
| djszapi | I presume, exopc | 22:49 |
| djszapi | since that what Intel gave us more times for free. | 22:49 |
| gabriel9 | can i get one :) | 22:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, not sure if there's anybody else active right now that i haven't already yelled at about the bug :p | 22:50 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: I have two, so if you wanna buy one ... | 22:50 |
| jaywink | itsnotabigtruck, voted :) | 22:50 |
| djszapi | though, you might be interested more in the spark version | 22:50 |
| djszapi | that is around 200 EUR'ish | 22:50 |
| djszapi | and very hot one. | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aard flux petteri matrixx folivora: vote for bug 978 pronto - it could be a serious problem when pr1.2 comes out | 22:51 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.2 | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like someone changed it to high priority, heh | 22:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's up to 14 votes now | 22:51 |
| matrixx | itsnotabigtruck: just voted :) | 22:51 |
| gabriel9 | which is better | 22:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | matrixx: woot | 22:52 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: did you end up getting libkeduvocdocument into a harmattan package for kanagram and khangman to use? | 22:53 |
| jpwhiting | someone e-mailed me yesterday about porting Parley to N9 and was wondering about that lib | 22:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, djszapi: you submitted kanagram 0.2 to ovi, right? have you published a deb anywhere else? | 22:53 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: hi, yes it is available. | 22:53 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: details? | 22:54 |
| djszapi | about ? | 22:54 |
| jpwhiting | where to get it or how to build it | 22:54 |
| jpwhiting | the library deb package | 22:54 |
| djszapi | it is in the community repository. | 22:54 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: http://minus.com/mxtyxkp9L | 22:55 |
| jpwhiting | ah, /me didn't realize it was in ovi | 22:57 |
| * jpwhiting installs | 22:57 | |
| jpwhiting | very nice work djszapi | 22:57 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: unfortunately, only the old version is in Ovi | 22:58 |
| djszapi | and the update got a big overhaul :P | 22:58 |
| jpwhiting | ah, how so? | 22:58 |
| djszapi | the first version was more or less experiment without too much design | 22:58 |
| * jpwhiting really should try to build it some time | 22:58 | |
| jpwhiting | ah | 22:58 |
| jpwhiting | gotcha | 22:58 |
| djszapi | get something work, and be happy feeling :) | 22:59 |
| jpwhiting | hmm, where is the community repository? | 22:59 |
| djszapi | I tried to do my best, and correctly in the update. | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ | 22:59 |
| djszapi | there are still glitches, but the UI is improved a lot in my opinion. | 22:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless you mean the appsformeego one | 22:59 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: though, I have a big issue with libkdeedu | 23:00 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: bang, c-obs is not functioning... | 23:00 |
| djszapi | does not get anything building from scheduled state.. | 23:01 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: oh, what issue? | 23:01 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: it has a hard dependency on KIO | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: f5aae231080335bc5f77184aac164517a6b6748f | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is that the sha-1 of your deb? | 23:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because aegis is saying it's truncated | 23:02 |
| djszapi | no, 9ac6fd0adb4d88c314872db2db475eabef89ae8f | 23:02 |
| djszapi | I will update it. | 23:02 |
| Aranel | my friend's N950 is in a reboot loop even after PR1.2 OCF reflash, is there anything to do or should I send it back to him and declare it's dead? | 23:02 |
| djszapi | is it charged enough ? | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm, maybe i got a bad download, but 7-zip says it's legit (i downloaded it through the zip file) | 23:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm | 23:02 |
| djszapi | Aranel: if not, try the --0wait .. option. | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: is that in the gimped version of flasher | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, Aranel: attach it and do flasher -i | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then let it sit for a while | 23:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that'll allow it to charge without allowing it to boot | 23:04 |
| djszapi | I really hope so because that is a useful option against reboot loop. | 23:04 |
| Aranel | djszapi: on the flasher itself? sudo ./Linux_OCF_..bin --0wait? | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: you need the flasher utility | 23:04 |
| djszapi | oh no... | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that bin file is flasher bundled together with an image file | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you should split them apart | 23:04 |
| Aranel | oh you mean by using flasher itself. But then I would need firmware itself | 23:04 |
| Aranel | yup, how am I going to do that? | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you just have to strip off the first n bytes | 23:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no idea what n is | 23:04 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: http://minus.com/misZqlGCh#1 | 23:05 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: KIO depends on kdeui in kde4 | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/extract-OCF.sh | 23:05 |
| djszapi | kdeui is 4.2MB | 23:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's doc's script for separating the image | 23:06 |
| djszapi | that "so", that is. I need to pull that in too. | 23:06 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: we could either have fallback network download in kde edu | 23:06 |
| djszapi | or address the issue in kio which is a bit hard Ithink. | 23:06 |
| djszapi | luckily enough, kf5 will decouple kio into core and ui. | 23:06 |
| gabriel9 | i read all this messages what you write guys and i don't understand, any of it :D | 23:07 |
| djszapi | gabriel9: not enough alcohol ;) | 23:08 |
| gabriel9 | i did not take any, i don't like drinking alone | 23:08 |
| gabriel9 | even my gf is not here | 23:08 |
| gabriel9 | :( | 23:08 |
| gabriel9 | just me and this confusing documentation for qt quick :D | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: turns out it was because i was putting the file on /tmp/ | 23:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and pscp didn't tell me something went wrong | 23:09 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: Extracting finished at 23:09:26 but I don't know the filename. | 23:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | probably DFLsomething | 23:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wait no, it's probably img.bin and emmc.bin | 23:11 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: I even ported the Plasma Components to Harmattan ;-) | 23:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | a8cd1bf0a0e3511981c9c90c29e555cfe6ac56eb img.bin 10110330dc3f46ae6d538627b7e57fbcbda7a45b emmc.bin | 23:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: check those sha-1's | 23:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then, flasher -i | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it can only connect right at the very first part of boot | 23:13 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: why does libkdeedu depend on kio at all? | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | might have to power it off and on a few times | 23:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | let it charge for a good bit of time, then disconnect and power it back on, if it's still flipping out, then flash the whole thing with | 23:14 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: okay passed the sha1sum | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -F img.bin -F emmc.bin -f | 23:14 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: network download | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | to get it out of flasher mode, do flasher -R | 23:14 |
| djszapi | which is the transparency provided by kio | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even though the help says it reboots, that actually powers off | 23:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so after flasher -R, power on with the button | 23:15 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: I figured that, but what is libkdeedu using download for? | 23:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, Aranel: you should probably confine the flash to just rootfs and mmc to minimize the risk | 23:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so instead of using that command, do it as two flashes | 23:15 |
| Aranel | by the way, if it's relevant: OCF works quite good, it flashed and everything went OK, then device started the loop, not in the process of OCF | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -F img.bin -f --flash-only=rootfs | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -F img.bin -F emmc.bin -f --flash-only=mmc | 23:16 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: kdevocdocument | 23:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that will avoid flashing the bootloader, cmt, etc. | 23:16 |
| djszapi | plus kio jobs in sharedkvtmlfiles, and move/mkdir kio methods | 23:16 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: Found device RM-680, hardware revision 1124 flasher -i works | 23:17 |
| djszapi | and this is acceptable for libkdeedu in ideal case | 23:17 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: ah, right, /me remembers adding that | 23:17 |
| djszapi | but not having a decoupled kio is not an ideal case | 23:17 |
| jpwhiting | except that kio is pulling in all of kdeui? | 23:17 |
| djszapi | libkdeedu does nothing from architecture pov | 23:17 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: should I add the -0wait part? | 23:18 |
| djszapi | but workaround might be easier to do in kde edu | 23:18 |
| Aranel | flasher -F img.bin .. .. --0wait? | 23:18 |
| djszapi | does nothing wrong, I mean* | 23:18 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: yeah, true, what do you suggest? | 23:18 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: so my app is like 1.2 MB normally, but 5.4 MB or so with this limitation :P | 23:19 |
| jpwhiting | not use kio in libkdeedu until kde frameworks come out? | 23:19 |
| jpwhiting | ugh | 23:19 |
| djszapi | at least a fallback | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: no, just wait | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't flash or do anything else yet | 23:19 |
| djszapi | I am not a kio expert, though | 23:19 |
| djszapi | I know ervin almost reached the clean separation between core and ui before the KDE4 feature freeze | 23:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the wait argument a) won't work on that flasher, you'd have to download one of the old flashers that they probably mistakenly released with all features intact | 23:19 |
| djszapi | but unfortunately, the freeze hit him. | 23:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | b) it just waits for battery charge before flashing | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nothing that letting it sit for a couple hours won't do | 23:20 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: done. flashed both rootfs and mmc | 23:20 |
| rantom | For those who are interested: http://store.ovi.com/content/255196 | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, what's the battery charge percentage | 23:20 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: Battery level 82 %, continuing. | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, then there was no need to charge | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | wtf | 23:20 |
| rantom | Opera Mobile Labs web browser for the N9 | 23:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rantom: yup | 23:21 |
| rantom | itsnotabigtruck: happy happy happy :) | 23:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rantom: now go vote for bug 978 | 23:21 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.2 | 23:21 |
| rantom | Heh | 23:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rantom: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167960 more info | 23:22 |
| rzr | djszapi: here? | 23:23 |
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| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: I booted it and it's stuck in the Nokia logo for 5mins now, should I power it off? | 23:27 |
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| Sazpaimon | hey | 23:55 |
| Sazpaimon | design question | 23:56 |
| Aranel | djszapi: where should I put that --0wait flag? Looks like just flashing it wasn't enough. | 23:59 |
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