IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-02-21

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itsnotabigtruckwell crap00:30
itsnotabigtruckthe inevitable just happened00:30
itsnotabigtrucki put a nice bend in my usb cover :(00:30
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mgedminI nearly broke it once... dropped the N9 while trying to unplug from my car's DC charger; it fell ~10 cm onto the center console and the usb cover got stuck in the open position00:33
befordyay. finally figured out the issue. rda is cool. a bit slow. but cool.00:34
mgedmina little push with a small screwdriver got it unstuck, thankfully00:34
itsnotabigtruckhow does one remove the usb cover, anyway?00:35
itsnotabigtruckthe service manual says to just pull it out00:35
itsnotabigtruckis it supposed to require significant force?00:36
itsnotabigtruckthing is there's already a fracture in the plastic where it bent so giving it much of a pull is probably a bad idea00:36
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itsnotabigtruckhas anyone here ordered from before?01:26
itsnotabigtrucki just ordered some usb lids from them, they seem reasonably priced01:26
itsnotabigtruckbut no idea how legit they are01:26
itsnotabigtruckfor now though the lid is now bent back, yay01:28
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djszapibeford: ping02:32
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djszapiso have you tried to ask for help from the qt guys ?02:34
befordno :D02:34
befordthe buildlog is there let me check02:35
djszapiask them ...02:35
djszapiI have zero clue ...02:35
beforddo you have the link to your patch? it may give some ideas02:36
djszapiI already asked on their channel. Let us wait for their answers.02:36
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Sazpaimonnokia's transit directions are atrocious02:39
Sazpaimonit actually suggests that I take a bus going one direction, get off after one stop, then take the same bus going in the other direction to my destinatio02:40
itsnotabigtrucksparsify, check it out02:40
beforddjszapi, <rohanpm> beford: it was already answered in the other channel ...02:41
djszapibeford: yes, we already discussed, and I told you to not ask :P02:42
djszapithe problem is that I sent you an outdated patch since I have two working trees02:42
djszapiand apparently they are messed up02:42
djszapiso I need to merge the two diffs...02:42
djszapiAlthough, it would be nice if Mac was a bit clearer about the issue ...02:43
djszapiso ... revert as previously.02:45
djszapisorry, this one:
djszapithis Mac error is not intuitive to me. Grepping for errors does not find anything relevant, and there are many warnings. Can you get better and more intuitive error report on Mac ?02:50
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itsnotabigtruckhm, no one looked at my thread except lurkers :(02:55
IktwoI did, but I don't complety understanded it02:56
itsnotabigtruckalso that paste site looks pretty cool actually...02:56
djszapiIktwo: I saw your app in Ovi yesterday. :)02:56
Iktwowhich one?02:56
djszapino clue02:56
djszapiI already forgot :P02:56
IktwoI'm trying to detect a SIP call via DBus but no luck for me :(02:57
IktwoI know the signal dbus is sending but I don't know how to read it02:57
djszapiit is weird that most applications do not care about internationalization/localization in Ovi.02:59
IktwoI do care, I just don't know how to do it :(03:00
IktwoI guess I should look into it ASAP03:00
djszapiwe have 100+ internationalization/localization in KDE03:00
djszapiso it is getting handy for KDE Mobile apps to just re-use those transtor efforts :P03:01
itsnotabigtruckit seems like we desperately need a proper community package upload system03:02
itsnotabigtrucki.e. not appsformeego or the 'temporary community repo'03:02
itsnotabigtruckor ovi store03:02
itsnotabigtruckbut an apt repo where anybody can load in packages and dependencies, and everything would be all nicely displayed and indexed on the web03:03
itsnotabigtruck(aegis assertions, description, dependencies, changelog, etc.)03:03
djszapiyou are welcome to contribute back to the community repository ..03:03
itsnotabigtruckwell, manually submitting stuff through you/rzr isn't really scalable and i was under the impression that repo is mostly for ports of things03:04
itsnotabigtruckwhere those things are mostly libraries and cmdline utils03:04
djszapithat is how OBS works.03:04
djszapiand we do not really wanna reinvent that huge work, put into that.03:05
itsnotabigtruckand seeing that appsformeego has taken off like a tonne of bricks, that can be discounted03:05
djszapiso do feel free to patch the OBS code and send for review.03:05
djszapino, that is wrong impression. :)03:05
djszapiWe have never decidede for cli/library utils.03:05
djszapimoreover, a complete stack, like the extra back then in fremantle times.03:05
djszapior how nemo started to do way after us ...03:06
djszapior PA03:06
itsnotabigtruckthe other thing is that there probably ought to be a way to publish closed source apps, since some people just aren't ever going to budge on that03:06
itsnotabigtruckthe Open Build System doesn't really mesh with that :p03:07
djszapiohhthat is not our focus.03:07
djszapias rzr said: Open Source or die.03:07
itsnotabigtruckwhat i'm imagining is an apt repo to put *everything*03:07
itsnotabigtruckwith a frontend like but better looking hopefully03:07
djszapiyou do not really wanna the wheel really.03:08
djszapiobs is a huge project, been tested for ages...03:08
djszapiso getting way and way stable.03:08
itsnotabigtruckexcept that obs has nothing to do with my proposition...03:08
itsnotabigtruckyou're right that it would be a done of work to implement a new system03:08
itsnotabigtruckbut obs is for builds, not for browsing packages03:08
itsnotabigtruckit's frankly terrible for the latter03:08
itsnotabigtruckit's a build system03:08
djszapithat is the point yes.03:09
itsnotabigtruckwhat i'm talking about doesn't necessarily involve any kind of build server03:09
djszapithis is exactly the reason why the author did not care about your case03:09
djszapiso did many other people in that project either03:09
djszapiI have not heard too much complain about the current situation though, in the last 1-2 years.03:09
itsnotabigtruckwell, they didn't care about my case because they were implementing something different03:09
itsnotabigtruckyou're comparing apples and oranges03:09
itsnotabigtruck"we already have this apple, who would want your orange"03:09
djszapiyou are saying the current situation is not okay.03:10
djszapiThere are exact reasons why they built it that way03:10
itsnotabigtruckright, because it isn't, there's no nexus of apps03:10
itsnotabigtruckeverything is scattered everywhere03:10
djszapiand frankly, there were no users wanting this yet here...03:10
itsnotabigtruckclosest thing is ovi store and that's all kinds of backwards03:10
djszapiovi store is an entirely different thing again.03:11
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itsnotabigtruckthe point though is that sites like exist because there's no unified repository03:12
itsnotabigtruckand i'm sure lots of people want something like this, maemo kinda has it right now03:12
beforddjszapi, I used VERBOSE=1 too not sure if it helps03:12
djszapiI have never heard anybody...03:13
itsnotabigtruckyou never hear anybody wanting anything >_>03:13
itsnotabigtruckbesides a lot of people don't know they need a unified repo03:13
djszapifrankly, you are the first person here in this channel the last 8-9 months03:14
beforddjszapi, tst_qtimer.cpp:159 reimaningtime <- missing caps?03:14
djszapibeford: yes, should be camel case03:14
djszapithough I do not know how it passed the Linux stuff then03:14
befordremaining* :D03:16
djszapibeford: can you please change s/5/10/g in the same line ?03:16
djszapisince the event loop might a bit too coarsial03:16
djszapiI think it returned last time 43 for about 50.03:17
djszapithat was the worst case scenario.03:17
djszapiwe could probably merge the changelog and other requests (if anybody willing to contribute at all) to packrat03:19
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djszapisince we have that "browsing" stuff since almost the beginning.03:19
itsnotabigtruckbtw appsformeego uses apt signatures, right? not internal signatures03:20
itsnotabigtruckif so that kinda negates one of the main things appsformeego could have been useful for which is as a signing service for open source apps03:21
djszapino clue about appsformeego03:23
djszapiI feel only responsible and skillful about the community repository.03:23
beforddjszapi, finished no errors03:25
itsnotabigtruckyup, no internal signatures03:25
djszapibeford: Could you please run the test ?03:25
djszapihow I told ya ;)03:26
beforddid you? sorry I cant remember03:26
befordah ok03:26
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djszapiinterestingly enough, I recalled the whole path by heart correctly.03:27
djszapithat is strange :)03:27
djszapififerboy: o/03:27
befordnot for mac though :P03:27
beford1 failed03:27
fiferboyHi djszapi03:27
djszapibeford: output ?03:27
djszapiwhy not for Mac ?03:28
djszapithe build tree hieararchy should be the same.03:28
befordyea but mac apps are actually folders :P so
djszapi159 ? That is a hefty one ...03:29
djszapiaye, true, good point03:29
djszapiso are you ready for debugging03:29
djszapiI can give you the lines what to insert for further inspection03:29
djszapiyou have "timeval" on Mac right ?03:31
djszapiit is a struct.03:31
befordif its POSIX I suppose there is03:32
befordI'm not a mac user03:32
djszapiwait a sec...03:36
beforderror applying03:36
befordwith git am and git apply03:37
djszapirevert the remainingtime mod03:38
djszapiand then you can apply this one which fixes that in a more elegant manner, plus adds some debug output.03:38
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djszapiheh that sounds like some Mac specific issue03:44
djszapilet us workaround it03:44
djszapioh no wait03:44
djszapithere is a typo in there :P03:44
djszapiint remainingtTime = timer.remainingTime();03:45
djszapiint remainingTime = timer.remainingTime();03:45
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djszapiit now passes03:49
befordand I see why it failed before I think03:49
djszapithanks :)03:50
befordyou told me to change s/5/10/g03:50
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befordso I changed 50 to  100 and 5 to 1003:50
itsnotabigtruckhas anyone already brought up rationalizing the app forums with the tmo admins?03:50
djszapibeford: please change 100 back to 50, and re-test.03:51
djszapithat should really be 5003:51
djszapibecause I start a timer with 150 timeout, and check in 100.03:51
befordyea its 50 now03:51
djszapiahh gotcha03:51
itsnotabigtruckhaving harmattan apps and mods being in any of 3 (or more) forums is more than a bit troublesome03:51
befordI reverted it and applied your patch which sets it as 5003:51
itsnotabigtruckesp because N900 and N9 compatibility are usually m-x03:51
djszapibeford: ok cool, so I only need to get "make" work on my windows03:52
djszapiso Linux and Mac work so far then ^^03:52
beforditsnotabigtruck, there's a harmattan specific section no?03:52
djszapibeford: thanks a lot :)03:53
befordyou are welcome03:53
itsnotabigtruckbeford: there's the nokia n9 forum, harmattan forum, and the apps forum03:55
itsnotabigtruckthere's harmattan apps/mods in all of them03:55
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itsnotabigtruckbut the latter is mostly n900 stuff03:56
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itsnotabigtruckand the first two are mostly non-app threads03:56
itsnotabigtruckso finding anything in any of those forums is like looking for a needle in a haystack03:56
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itsnotabigtruckeither all the apps need to be moved to one place, or moved to two places (one for maemo <= 5, one for harmattan)03:57
itsnotabigtruckand in the first case everything needs to be marked for what platform it runs on03:57
itsnotabigtruckbtw in the absence of a proper central repository for such things everyone here with apps really ought to file entries at
itsnotabigtruckall you need is a 220x220px thumbnail, some screenshots, and 5 mins of time04:01
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, if it takes more than 5 minutes, do we come to you to complain04:23
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itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: lol05:02
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: complain to whoever made that site because it wasn't me :p05:03
itsnotabigtruckbut all you have to do is sign up (no email verification), create a developer, create a team, create an app05:04
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sigmaorionHi there... I've used SoundEffect from QtMultimediaKit to make some sounds in my app, but it's not affected by the volume I set on my device05:40
sigmaorionno matter if I mute my phone, it makes the sound!!05:40
sigmaorionis that right?05:40
itsnotabigtrucksigmaorion: did you get my messages about ADSR envelopes before?05:45
itsnotabigtruckalso you really should use a proper irc client (vs freenode web chat)05:45
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djszapisigmaorion: SoundEffect is buggy05:47
djszapitry to use Audio05:48
djszapithough, that is buggy too05:48
itsnotabigtruckyeah, i was just about to suggest using audio05:48
* djszapi wonders what integer value return, if the timer id is invalid, for the remainingTime addition.05:49
sigmaorionSoundEffect and Audio buggy!? What should I use, then? heh!!05:50
sigmaorionitsnotabigtruck, nope, I didn't get the messages05:50
Sazpaimonso I asked in #telepathy about my issue im hacing and still no reply :/05:50
sigmaorionmy internet conection brakes sometimes05:50
djszapiSazpaimon: it is around 4-5 am in Europe05:50
itsnotabigtrucksigmaorion: envelope = attack, delay, sustain, release05:51
itsnotabigtruckit's the contour of the vibra event05:51
itsnotabigtruckthe top of the page i linked mentioned something along those lines05:51
Sazpaimondjszapi, true05:52
SazpaimonI just really want to get this finished05:53
itsnotabigtruckalso sigmaorion: brake != break :p05:54
sigmaorionitsnotabigtruck: oooooh, right!! I use that meaning for envelope in music (synthesizers), but I was thinking all the time about an envelop, hehe!05:54
djszapisigmaorion: SoundEffect works for me according to the aforementioned Scenario.05:55
sigmaorionoh, yes, break doen't exist!05:55
itsnotabigtruckdoes ebuddy xms use omb push notifications? just saw some talk about that in the tmo thread05:55
itsnotabigtrucksigmaorion: hm? brake is what a car does, break is what your phone does if you do something stupid ;)05:56
itsnotabigtruckor a car too...maybe i should rethink that analogy05:57
itsnotabigtruckif ebuddy xms uses nokia push, that means you have to trust both ebuddy and nokia to not mishandle your messages05:58
sigmaorionitsnotabigtruck... it's about 1am here, maybe it's too late for me, lol!! You are right!05:59
sigmaoriondjszapi, what is the aforementiones scenario? that it's buggy?05:59
itsnotabigtrucksigmaorion: nah, i was just being a grammar fascist06:01
djszapiit behaves according to the volumeI set on my device.06:01
* djszapi should clean up the chips under the space button of the keyboard to dismiss the stickyness.06:01
sigmaoriondjszapi, on what device?06:02
sigmaorionsame as mine... wierd!06:02
sigmaorionwhere was the right place to paste some code?06:03
itsnotabigtrucksigmaorion: https://gist.github.com06:03
sigmaorionitsnotabigtruck, thanks!06:03
sigmaorionwell, my (cropped for simplicity) code is here:
sigmaorionit's really simple, you tap the screen and the sound plays06:05
sigmaorionis there something I am missing?06:05
Sazpaimondjszapi, maybe you can help me with this issue then06:06
Sazpaimonfor some reason my translation file isnt working06:06
Sazpaimonmy program loads it, but all my strings show their untranslated version06:06
* djszapi is going to Nokia soon06:06
sigmaorionitsnotabigtruck, by the way, thanks for pointing me today earlier to, it worked like a charm!06:06
djszapiand I still have tasks to be finished, sorry.06:07
Sazpaimonwell then06:07
djszapiplus I did not sleep too much time this night either :/06:07
Sazpaimoni may just say screw it to i18n06:07
Sazpaimonand just make all my strings english06:07
Sazpaimonand remove the ts file altogether :/06:07
djszapiI dislike the qt translation system06:07
djszapiI use the KDE translation system personally.06:07
djszapiimo, way more elegant.06:08
Sazpaimoncan that be used on harmattan?06:08
Sazpaimonthat is to say, without any extra libraries06:08
itsnotabigtrucki think you'd need the libs06:08
Sazpaimonwell whatever then06:09
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi's game loads a bunch of libs using LD_LIBRARY_PATH06:09
Sazpaimonscrew localization06:09
djszapiyou need the lib, but since I am mostly interested in KDE projects, it is not an issue for me.06:09
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: not because of that06:09
Sazpaimoni dont even think steam localizes their own desktop client06:09
djszapiSazpaimon: you would need one so, that is06:09
djszapibut you do not profit that much, if the project is not hosted in the KDE repository for our 65-100 translator teams.06:11
itsnotabigtruckone nice thing about going i18n is it enforces keeping ui text out of the program06:11
djszapithey cannot get it that simply for translations.06:11
itsnotabigtruckeven if the only localization is english06:11
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, but then you need to know what string applies to what text06:12
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: the ui text is in my program.06:12
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: right, so you name the strings with descriptive names06:12
Sazpaimonive seen people go overboard with that06:12
itsnotabigtrucklike error_catastrophic_fmt = "Catastrophic error: %s"06:12
itsnotabigtruckthat kind of thing06:12
Sazpaimonlike, one project had the string be the entire english line06:13
Sazpaimonbut lowercase, and underscored06:13
itsnotabigtruckwell, obviously that's just wrong06:13
Sazpaimoneven if the string was like, 10 or more words06:13
Sazpaimonobviously the guy couldnt remember it06:13
itsnotabigtruckinsert_element_dialog_desc = good, Enter_the_property_information_for_your_element_below = bad06:14
djszapiSazpaimon: we have 100+ translations for KDE06:14
djszapiso it is pretty much unbeatable :P06:14
Sazpaimonyou also have 100+ contributors to KDE06:14
djszapiand many of them are close to complete in general06:14
Sazpaimonmaybe even 1000+06:14
djszapiwe have much more than 100 ;)06:15
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: that doesn't exactly help sazpaimon and his steam app06:15
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: except that nobody said it helps right now06:15
itsnotabigtruckbut Sazpaimon: you might be able to recruit some translators on tmo06:15
djszapiI am just stating facts, why I would never use qt system06:15
Sazpaimoni wasnt looking for translators06:15
sigmaorionwell, my volume issue seems to be addressed and fixed here, maybe it works with next device software update:
djszapiit is just plain deficit.06:15
Sazpaimoni just waned to get this damn qm file to work06:15
Sazpaimonvery irritating06:15
Sazpaimonbecause according to strace the program finds the qm file, and loads it06:16
Sazpaimonbut strings remain untranslated06:16
Sazpaimon¯\(º o)/¯06:16
itsnotabigtrucksigmaorion: it says that was fixed in qtmobility 1.1.106:16
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itsnotabigtruckpr1.1 has qtmobility 1.2.106:17
djszapisigmaorion: they say, it is like that if you play the sound effect06:17
djszapiyou did not say, it was happening that time.06:17
itsnotabigtruckthat bug was fixed way before even the first public harmattan release06:17
itsnotabigtruckmaybe there was a regression?06:17
sigmaoriondunno, maybe I must seriously think about using C++, as I do for desktop apps (using Qt too)06:19
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djszapithe problem is that the QMediaPlayer API, even in C++, is a crap.06:20
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sigmaorionit was just a project to make some visual entertainment for my 3 months old baby girl... it was funny!06:20
sigmaoriondjszapi, what's the right API to use, then?06:21
sigmaorionthere must be one!06:21
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djszapiI prefer phonon.06:22
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djszapibut just stick with audio06:22
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djszapiand I am also writing an audio API, actually a Qt5 module06:22
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: but apparently the downside of audio is that you can't load a resource06:22
itsnotabigtruckwhich is exactly what sigma is doing06:22
djszapiofc you can06:22
djszapiI do it in my app.06:23
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djszapikanagram used to use Audio in the beginning06:24
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: this is where i got that06:24
itsnotabigtruckbut harmattan qtmobility doesn't seem to use the qsound backend so i guess that's irrelevant06:24
djszapithe first line is already quite wrong06:24
djszapiit is not a wrapper...06:24
itsnotabigtrucker, except, qml audio isn't qtmobility is it06:24
djszapiso I do not trust in that post, sorry.06:24
itsnotabigtruckqml soundeffect is06:24
itsnotabigtrucknope, they both are06:24
djszapioh QSound, not qml sound06:25
djszapialso, please note the fact, QSound is gone in Qt5 as is06:25
djszapifor good(tm)06:25
sigmaorionisn't phonon a kde lib? or is it Qt's?06:25
itsnotabigtruckthink it's qt06:26
itsnotabigtrucklooks like it started off as kde06:26
itsnotabigtruckthen it got merged into qt06:26
itsnotabigtruckbut now they're getting rid of it06:26
djszapiwell, it apparently works for me.06:26
itsnotabigtruckqtmultimedia replaces phonon06:26
djszapisigmaorion: phonon is qt06:26
sigmaorionis phonon available on harmattan?06:26
djszapiespecially on Harmattan06:26
sigmaorionoh, great!06:26
sigmaorionhow low/high level is phonon?06:27
djszapisigmaorion: it only started to be hosted in a kde repository that is all06:27
itsnotabigtrucksigmaorion: you're going to have to do a callout to c++06:27
djszapiand frankly, Brisbane is ... like a nightmare06:27
djszapiaround the multimedia things, seriously.06:28
djszapithey duplicated phonon for fun06:28
djszapiand even in a crappier way06:28
djszapiwith/out/ contacting anybody in the world.06:28
djszapithey made the community very very sad06:28
sigmaorionitsnotabigtruck, I'll use only C++06:28
djszapithey advised me to cooperate with them06:29
djszapibecause they need QtAudio3D, but no thanks.06:29
djszapiI would personally remove the Multimedia(Kit) altogether06:30
* djszapi should actually change to phonon for kanagram06:31
sigmaoriongotta go, thank you, guys, see you!06:35
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: so does OBS support repo signing?06:39
itsnotabigtrucki guess it must because is based on it06:39
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itsnotabigtrucklooks like it does, command is osc signkey --create06:45
itsnotabigtrucki'm having a hard time figuring out how to tell it what parameters to use on the key06:45
djszapiofc it supports.06:47
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: it's not exactly an "of course", it wasn't even originally built for debian systems06:49
djszapic-obs was established not long ago..06:51
itsnotabigtruckright but it could e.g. be some hack specifically for c-obs, that people who don't have direct access to the system can't do06:52
itsnotabigtruckin fact, OBS forces the parameters for gpg apt keys, but the c-obs signing key has a different name than what OBS would have picked06:53
itsnotabigtruckmeaning the key was probably imported directly instead of generated with osc signkey06:53
itsnotabigtruckpub   2048R/792563E3 2011-10-17 [expires: 2020-10-14] uid                  Community Apps (Harmattan) <>06:53
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi ^06:56
itsnotabigtruckanyway, later!06:56
itsnotabigtrucktoo bad it's probably not so easy to get the nokia sdk repo signed :/06:56
djszapiit is07:10
djszapisince c-obs just imports the packages for building.07:11
djszapibuilding is the easy bit, installation on the device is the tricky one.07:11
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decoytell me... a friend of mine mentioned "Aegis". what is that all about? are there any online references about it?07:40
decoyi'd also be interesting in knowing how it differs from any earlier TPM, or TPM-like stuff Nokia has done.07:42
decoy(and I mean, boiling it downto something understandable. security guidelines... we all know already they're more lawyerspeak than a technical spec.)07:43
djszapiif you ask for help, you could have a bit better tone.07:44
djszapikeep reading theguide we wrote, please.07:44
decoyyou wrote it? so where's the hardware interface section, and the full api specification? i'm sorry i didn't ask for them sooner already.07:45
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decoyheh. obviously nobody much likes lawyers.07:50
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: good news is that, the (non)signing is not an issue with the community obs and aegis-install. ;-)08:59
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infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
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decoydocscrutinizer: the problem is that the precise internals of aegis (whatever it is) aren't spelled out even there.09:56
decoyi do know how tpm and the like work. but if aegis is an incarnation of that sort of a technology, within harmattan sw and/or nokia hw, i'd like to know its precise form.09:57
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decoydocscrutinizer: i mean, intel does publicize its trusted computing infrastructure support rather widely. it doesn't rely on security by obscurity. does the same apply to aegis, which you seem to tell me is another incarnation of that idea?10:02
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DocScrutinizer51decoy: well, most parts are OSS in kernel with a few tools in userland that may or may not be OSS10:07
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rzrdjszapi: hi10:09
rzrdjszapi: something wrong happend ? w/ upstart ?10:09
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rzrdjszapi: the search feat is also screwed ... X-Fade may knows what is happening10:11
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decoydocscrutinizer51: so what are those parts, precisely? it's pretty difficult to dig them up from the online documentation. in particular even the precise the binary interface to harmattan's security functions seems to be a bit vague.10:12
DocScrutinizer51decoy: sorry, don't ask me, I know enough about that stuff to frown at it10:15
DocScrutinizer51but no more than that10:15
decoythat's no reason to not know it by heart. just look at what i'm asking and how, right now. :)10:15
DocScrutinizer51decoy: you mightr be interested in:10:15
infobotsomebody said aegis-no-thanks was
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DocScrutinizer51bbl, daywork10:19
djszapirzr: yeah, we have huge issues.10:29
djszapithe nokia SDK repository got broken.10:29
djszapiX-Fade might wanna stop importing package from there.10:29
djszapisince it is not meant to be for us, apparently.10:29
rzrdjszapi: well then we'll have to move somewhere else ?10:40
djszapirzr: they fucked up10:41
djszapiI am really unhappy about Nokia at this point :/10:41
djszapiwe should get rid of this shitty Nokia SDK10:41
djszapiThough, I have no clue how we can actually do this in the practice without too much man power.10:42
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djszapiX-Fade could you please get rid of the Nokia SDK repository, and import packages only from the supported "repositories", like apps, tools and so on ?10:54
djszapiI have been said (Sadly) it is not supported for packages on the device, thus we should not really use it by any mean in the harmattan target of the c-obs.10:55
djszapinot sure it can be configured project-wise, but the community repository would not like to depend on it, I guess.10:55
djszapirzr: why do we have 56 succeeded packages and 441 unresolvable ?10:58
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djszapirzr: interesting, the same issue with upstart as someone previously noted.11:06
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djszapiX-Fade lbt: is this t he consequence of the last outage or something else ?
djszapiis upstart still imported properly after the outage ?11:17
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gri"/opt/web2sms/bin/web2sms-messaging-ui: symbol lookup error: /opt/web2sms/lib/ undefined symbol: _ZTV17AvatarImageShared" what does this mean? There is nothing missing from that class, I do not know what it's looking for ...12:03
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grisource for the class:
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rzrdjszapi: upstrat is screwing us12:12
rzrdjszapi: is it from nokia repo ?12:13
djszapirzr: my gut feeling is that the last OBS break did not recover well12:13
auenfx4pastebin wordwrap confuses my tired eyes...12:14
griok, I found it12:14
griin my late-night coding I forgot to include the .moc file12:14
djszapiokay, so it was not just me making a serious mistake last night while coding ... :P12:16
auenfx4thats usually when i write the best code (that i cant understand the next day)12:16
djszapiI was honestly surprised this morning I pushed a patch I cannot even recall I wrote :P12:17
rzrthis project is doomed :)12:25
djszapirzr: which one ? Harmy ?12:26
rzrmeego and cie12:26
djszapiwhat is "cie" ?12:26
rzrcie my be a french abrev12:26
rzrmeego and company12:27
rzryou can translate "et compagnie" as " and what goes along"12:27
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rzrdjszapi: is it safe to backup the whole repo now ?12:29
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djszapiis that reasonable I had 10 Free downloads for my app 1-2 days ago, and now almost 400 ?12:44
djszapiare there downloading machines ?12:44
djszapior how can it get grown that much ?12:44
matrixxI think it's pretty much normal for a free app12:46
matrixxwhen it costs 1e, it will be like < 100 downloads ever :D12:46
djszapimmh, 'kay. gri also mentioned previously many downloads without comment from Chinese people iirc12:47
djszapirzr: not sure12:47
auenfx4lots of chinese have n9's?12:47
auenfx4or there is actually a chinese clone with harmattan?12:47
matrixxmight be peaks in downloads if the link is spreading in social media12:48
matrixxand I guess china has many internal ones12:48
decibyteomg. then the chinese actually _will_ take over the world soon.12:48
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panewbie question: is meego (harmattan) essentially a debian arm? meaning can i take  a package for debian arm and install it on the n9?12:51
psycho_oreosdon't forget the aegis12:52
djszapipa: if the same arm... I would think it can work out in very simple cases...12:52
djszapibut probably simpler to just rebuild it in sb or madde.12:53
paah i see12:54
pacoz i was looking for a nice file manager with samba support.. and i saw theres not really much12:54
paso i was thinking: why not just take Konqueror?12:55
auenfx4heh, the file manager i have installed is now a paid app in ovi store12:55
djszapipa: konqueror ? :D as in, really ? :D12:59
djszapiAnybody from Darmstadt ?13:04
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pawell i think konqueror is great especially as file manager13:30
pamore than as  browser13:30
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djszapipa: was not really designed with mobile in mind ...13:38
pathat is true..13:39
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djszapipa: do you like KDE ?13:51
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djszapirzr: ok, upstart issue solved.13:55
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matrixxVenemo_N950: he was already here but left before I noticed :(14:31
Venemo_N950hey matrixx :)14:33
Venemo_N950matrixx, oh, well, he'll come back14:33
Venemo_N950matrixx, have you seen puzzle-master v2.0.2 yet?14:34
matrixxVenemo_N950: actually no, I haven't have time to check the store in a looooong long time14:34
Venemo_N950matrixx, I san send you a .deb this evening :)14:34
matrixxVenemo_N950: nice, thanks14:35
matrixxVenemo_N950: any new strings to translate? ;)14:35
Venemo_N950I'm at work now, can't upload it from here14:35
Venemo_N950no new strings :)14:35
matrixxyeah, me too, have to work :)14:35
Venemo_N950I won't add any new strings until I raise the minor version... don't want to bother you guys with it14:37
padjszapi, actually not too much, but i like some kde applications14:41
Venemo_N950matrixx, v2.(n+1).0 will have a tutorial feature which'll require new strings, but no new strings until then :)14:41
paand konqueror (as file browser) is one of those :)14:41
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matrixxVenemo_N950: ok, ping me when you need more strings :)14:57
Venemo_N950matrixx, sure I will15:01
djszapiHow can I update the screenshots for my application in OVI along with a release update if I overhauled the Ui ?15:02
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Venemo_N950djszapi, screenshots are in the content item, it takes a push of a button to update them15:04
jonni+ 1-3 days before someone from QA approves the changes :)15:05
djszapiVenemo_N950: what do you mean ?15:06
djszapiI do not see any options in the "Content file" tab.15:06
djszapinor anything potential after preshing the Submit button either.15:06
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bluesleei can not get actice cellid paramters on an n9 with dbus, it only works when gsm is just registering or when the cellid changes, checked with dbus-monitoring15:07
jonnibut in real life you cannot sync the new deb and changed UI in ovi store descriptions15:07
jonnias 99.9% of the time the picture change is approved at different time as .deb15:08
djszapiit is no go, if the old screenshots remain until the destiny...15:08
djszapijonni: it is not really about sync'ing.15:08
Venemo_N950djszapi, I said content item, not content file15:08
jonnibut you can update the screenshots after deb has been updated15:08
djszapiI do not mind having it async, but the thing is that there is no option for that.15:08
jonniits on different tab :)15:09
djszapiVenemo_N950: there is no such a thing here.15:09
djszapiso not sure what you mean ;-)15:09
jonninot in content file page, different page15:09
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djszapiI do not see that different page...15:10
djszapiI only see content file, and distribution...15:10
jonnicontent->yourapplication->ContentItem TAB15:10
djszapiapparently, the key here is to go back15:10
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djszapiit is not there by default.15:10
jonnisame page where you can change the price of your app15:10
djszapiw00t ? 3 screenshots only ?15:11
jonniyep 3 screenshots + some promotion screenshots15:11
djszapimaybe 2x3 which is still not enough...15:11
djszapiI would have 8-10 ...15:11
djszapito say the least..15:12
jonnicombine then into one with gimp15:12
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djszapiI wonder who invented this square requirement and and with what in mind15:14
jonniovistore square format for desktop webui and for symbian. So its just inherited :)15:16
djszapiyes, but why15:16
jonnisquare is beatiful shape :)15:16
djszapiI propose requiring pink screenshots with fluffies :)15:17
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: you still haven't filed your n9 apps entry :p15:17
djszapiand I am not gonna do that ..15:17
djszapifor the very time being, at least. :)15:18
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djszapimmmh, I can upload more pictures to the ambassador page.15:25
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bluesleehow do i write data from dbus-monitor to a file, but only for n seconds?15:29
djszapiif anybody is interested in testing the kanagram update:
bluesleeokay, i could kill the process15:30
djszapistill for free because I first wait for you getting maniac, and then no chance to leave when I make it expensive :P15:31
blueslee"command > file" for n secs, any alternative ideas?15:31
bluesleedjszapi: oh, its your app, nice one15:31
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: btw, we will not update the dpkg wrapper most likely15:38
djszapitoo much risk to update the core part of the platform...15:38
djszapi(not my words)15:38
djszapiand some do not consider it regression, but secuirty hardening ;-)15:38
djszapiblueslee: yep, very simple app, but thanks. :P15:39
e0xblueslee: you can run the app capture the PID number then do sleep 900; kill -9 $PID15:43
bluesleee0x: i am doing it more or less that way, only thought that there is a better way15:44
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: :( oh well15:47
itsnotabigtrucki (or someone, anyway) needs to post a heads up on tmo to get stuff signed STAT15:47
djszapiwill not solve it for the Nokia SDK repository.15:48
djszapiso we need to get rid of that in the community repository asap15:48
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i take it the SDK people aren't very receptive to signing it?15:48
djszapithey heavily object to that (for, no idea, what reason)15:49
itsnotabigtrucki guess it's not "supposed to" be used on target devices anyway15:49
djszapithey say the Nokia SDK repository was not meant for device usage.15:49
djszapiand that is why we need to ged rid of this shit15:49
itsnotabigtruckcould mirror the open source part of the sdk repo15:49
itsnotabigtrucksince it's open source after all15:49
djszapiyes, but X-Fade needs to rebase c-obs first15:50
itsnotabigtruckthe nokia-binaries part is probably a no go from a legal standpoint though15:50
djszapisince he imported the SDK as is.15:50
djszapiwith minor modification afaik.15:50
padid anyone compile vlc for meego?15:50
pai was looking for a music player able to play an mp3 file over http15:50
itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, that's another thing...since nokia's ovi impositions regarding pr1.0 don't apply to obs, that stuff really ought to be fully up to date15:50
pawithout having to download it before15:50
djszapipa: someone did only this:
djszapipa: port tomahawk :)15:51
djszapiso we do not have this issue on c-obs while building15:51
djszapiwe have the problem when you try to install the packages built.15:51
djszapiAlthough, the community repository installation works fine without signature.15:52
djszapibut the fact is that, aegis-deb-release shows also unknown15:52
djszapiwithout any keys15:52
djszapias for the SDK repo, it shows SHAs15:52
itsnotabigtruckwhoa, that's weird15:52
djszapistill, we should sign the community repository.15:52
padjszapi, do you also know anything about this misterious alien dalvik? is it really coming out or was it just a joke?15:54
djszapiI have no clue.15:54
bluesleepa: mplayer?15:55
pais there for meego?15:56
bluesleepa: its a "joke"15:56
pathat would be perfect15:56
paeven tho it's command line15:56
bluesleepa: yes there is15:56
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bluesleepa: then check kmplayer as a front end15:57
pyhimysMy N9 complains about "Application Data" being full. Settings->Device->Storage indeed shows it being 2.1/2.1. I tried ssh:ing to the device but am none the wiser. Any tips on where to find the culprit. /home -partition seems quite full15:57
pyhimys/home/user/.cache/telepathy/avatars/gabble/jabber # find . -mtime +30 | wc -l15:58
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pamyMeego, is it some sort of unofficial community based store?15:59
bluesleepa: i guess it is something like that ...16:00
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: imho, we should collect people for voting the Nokia SDK repository signature.16:01
djszapiwe should really push the overhead for the community maintenance.16:01
djszapiand I do not think a signature can cause any regressions.16:01
djszapinor is it hard to create, I believe.16:01
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: could you please open a public bug report about that ?16:01
djszapiIt would be weird after brainstorming with everybody internally, I open a public bugreport :)16:02
djszapiit would sound like something, it is just me I wanna.16:02
djszapiafter the report is created, many votes etc, I can show it to them ...16:02
djszapimake sure, you do not propose the dpkg wrapper fix16:05
djszapisince that is even heftier to get through...16:05
djszapiso be clear you do not wanna anything else just having a Nokia repository signed...16:06
pablueslee, do you use also the worldtv99? (which i dont know what it is)16:06
bluesleepa: i neither use mplayer :-)16:08
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folivoraGday, Does anyone have some fix for the issue when N9 is asking passwords for email/socialapps/skye ect.. After every reboot / wifi <-> 3g change..16:15
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matrixxfolivora: the fix should come in the next update16:16
folivoramatrixx: hmm, any "temp" fix for it..16:17
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: well of course i *want* lots of things, but that is the issue at hand right? :p16:18
djszapiwhat do you mean ?16:18
matrixxfolivora: not that I've heard of, though it doesn't say there isn't one16:19
folivoramatrixx: hehe, true... It is a bit annoying issue and ofc it is draining battery16:19
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: the issue = the nokia repo not being signed16:22
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matrixxyeah, I had it in my N950, haven't striked on N9 though (yet, *knocks the wood*)16:23
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: yes, I would personally go for the aegis-install fix16:26
djszapisince I already sent the whereabout of the bug.16:26
djszapibut that is just impossible to get through at this stage.16:26
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matrixxfolivora: especially annoying since I have several email accounts configured, and every time had to reinsert the password for all of those + facebook + twitter + nokia account16:34
folivoramatrixx: yap, I have add to that few different auth-smtp services...16:35
matrixxwhat a joy16:36
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itsnotabigtruckheads up guys - opera just released a proper version of OM for harmattan16:49
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fluxmeh, it uses its custom vkb16:53
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petterifor me it seems that N900 version is nicer than that16:54
* djszapiN9 should find someone either living in Darmstadt, or having an acquaintance in there.16:54
fluxat least it starts up pretty fast16:57
griCould it be that the WebView QML item is crap? I thought it's as easy as creating one and setting an url ... but it does not size correctly nor I can interact with it16:57
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djszapiitsnotabigtruck: do not forget the bug report, preferably today17:19
djszapito open*17:19
djszapiso I can already show them tomorrow.17:19
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Iktwohi, does someone know how to update the icon cache manually?18:04
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djszapiIktwo: why do you need that ?18:35
IktwoI'm creating icons in an app sometimes they show sometimes not18:38
Iktwoso I was wondering how could I trigger the update18:38
djszapiIktwo: can you use absolute paths ?18:38
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djszapiThat should work unless it is an account plugin.18:38
djszapi(account plugin icon will probably fixed in PR1.3., too)18:38
Iktwogreat, thanks18:39
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AardIktwo: having a script send mthemedaemon HUP in postinstall scripts is a dirty (but working) hack18:44
IktwoAard: oh, I haven't tought of that, thanks :D18:45
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djszapiN9plus should be rejected by ovi19:05
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sigmaorionhi there! djszapi, guess what... I changed SoundEffect for Audio and now I get segmentation fault when I call SoundEffect::play!!19:21
djszapiN9yes, it happens.19:21
djszapiN9try without resource first.19:21
djszapiN9if yhat works, you are pretty much out of qml19:22
sigmaorionlol!!! ok!19:22
sigmaorionbaby has just woke up... be right back!19:22
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djszapiN9or you can drop the resource mentality, if you do not wanna hack in c++19:23
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rzrX-Fade: thx for fixing our tool :) , djszapi19:40
sigmaoriondjszapiN9, well, I've got no audio now, lol!19:41
sigmaorionwhich path should I use if I don't use the resource?19:41
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djszapiN9for instance the same folrder ehere the main qml.resides.19:44
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sigmaorionit works, but I still have no volume control from system's volume19:49
sigmaorionI give up... C++ and phonon is next step, I guess19:50
itsnotabigtruckargh, i hate midterms19:55
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sigmaoriongotta go to the mall... see you later, guys!19:57
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djszapirzr: not fixed yet, unfortunately :/19:58
itsnotabigtruckalso it seems has a four-week lead time on n9 usb doors :(19:59
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rzrdjszapi: X-Fade can we help ?20:03
itsnotabigtruckbtw is there any difference in the battery management stuff between n950 and n9?20:04
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: ok, so you wanted me to file a bug on aegis-install, or on the sdk repo20:08
djszapiplease wait a sec, booking the flight to the plasma active sprint...20:08
rzrthe good news is that my avatar changed :
itsnotabigtruckwhoa this is weird, better nuke the emmc too20:10
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jpwhitinghmm, are there any mtf experts here?20:19
jpwhitingI don't see any way to disable an MButtonModel (maybe because it's not a real button?)20:19
Sazpaimoni finally got my l10n stuff working20:28
Sazpaimonthe accounts plugin is now like 90% working20:29
Sazpaimongotta figure out why I cant edit correctly20:29
Sazpaimonthen I need to implement support for steam guard20:30
Sazpaimonoh wait there it goes20:30
djszapiseriously....someone from Finland please ?20:31
djszapiI can log into my netbank account normally if I go to the page directly, but if the airline company redirects me to there, it writes me that I am not allowed...20:31
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itsnotabigtruckthis is that airline that doesn't like it if you pay by credit card, isn't it20:32
djszapiit is debit, not credit20:32
djszapibut they wrote that VISA electron is okay, and I paid with the same card last year to this airline company.20:32
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faenilmm need help guys20:35
faenilI'm defining20:35
faenilproperty alias hello: test.hello20:36
faenilbut it report id "test" not found20:36
faenileven if I use test.hello directly in the following lines, and it doesn't produce any error20:36
djszapigrep for it20:36
faenilis there any limit about aliasing?20:36
faenillike you can't alias property which are very deep in the items hierarchy20:37
djszapiat least I had embedded idS when I tried.20:37
djszapinested like 2-3 levels.20:38
faenilI have like 7 levels here20:38
faenil8 actually20:38
* djszapi will be missing this sprint again because of some silly afair again :/20:38
djszapifaenil: wth :D20:38
faenilcomplex ui  XD20:38
faenilargh :(20:39
faenillet's try double aliasing20:40
faenilI'll put another alias in the middle of the hierarchy20:40
faenildon't if it's better to hope it will work, or it won't20:42
faenildon't know*20:42
faenilnope it doesn't work either20:43
faeniloh qml what do you want from me now!?20:43
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faenilso property alias hello: test.hello doesn't work20:47
faenilbut property bool hello: test.hello does...20:47
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djszapiokay, no customer service available :/20:52
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itsnotabigtruckis that bug report palatable21:06
itsnotabigtruckmaybe i should use a pastebin that has word wrap, lol21:06
djszapisorry, still trying to figure out the PA sprint flight details :21:08
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: Due to a regression in PR1.2's aegis-install, -> Due to a regression (or not documented hardening?) in PR1.2's aegis-install,21:17
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: i wouldn't call something that can be overridden by deleting a single file, "hardening"21:18
djszapiwe never know what they planned.21:18
djszapiwe need to avoid the unneccesary iterations, though21:18
djszapiotherwise you might also get, "ohh it is hardening in my pov"21:19
djszapiand I would like to avoid that iteration since that type of reply is useless for the matter.21:19
itsnotabigtruckfair enough, as much as i'd rather call a spade a spade it's probably politically expedient21:19
djszapiI was also surprised one of the guys said this21:19
djszapisince it is a useless iteration from customer POV21:20
itsnotabigtruckis > Due to a regression (or unexpected change) in PR1.2's aegis-install < acceptable?21:20
itsnotabigtruckor maybe an unexpected change (or regression)21:20
djszapithey will say it is an expected change21:21
djszapithey /might/ say.21:21
djszapido not keep holes them to argue :P21:21
itsnotabigtruckwell, it's unexpected outside of nokia :p21:21
itsnotabigtruckok, undocumented change21:21
djszapiit does not matter whether it is planned21:22
djszapior regression21:22
djszapicustomer is unhappy.21:22
djszapithat is what matters.21:22
itsnotabigtruckanyway, everything else is ok?21:22
djszapipackages cannot be installed from repositories that do not use APT signatures -> not correct21:24
djszapiI can install from the c-obs.21:24
itsnotabigtruckare you referring to your rzr repo, or the nokia-sanctioned appsformeego repo21:25
djszapialso, provide the aegis-origin output to them21:25
djszapiand the aegis-deb-release output, too.21:25
djszapialso, ar t bash*.deb21:25
djszapito see it does not contain any signatures either21:25
itsnotabigtrucki don't have pr1.2 loaded21:25
itsnotabigtruckbut i found a pastebin from when it was being discussed before here21:25
djszapirzr repo21:25
djszapiI have that data21:26
djszapihold on21:26
itsnotabigtruckare you sure about that? if so that's probably another bug...i checked and the unofficial repo isn't signed21:26
djszapilet us fix upstream repos later21:27
djszapiif any, but I do not think we need that21:27
djszapilet us get the SDK repo fixed firs.t21:27
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itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: ok, how about
djszapilooks good for what is there.21:32
djszapibut please add the fact it brokes the repositories depending on this21:32
djszapisince that is the most important bit.21:32
djszapi500 project, let us ... calculate average 2-3 packages per project21:33
djszapiso we have 1000-1500 packages in a repo depending on this broken one.21:33
djszapiand then the upper layer is the community store etc21:33
djszapithey need to see the business case for the change.21:33
djszapiwhy we make the noise.21:33
djszapialso mention that, signing is not really a big or risky effort ;-)21:34
djszapito avoid this iteration, too ...21:34
djszapiyou can probably mention the Debian recommendation, too21:34
itsnotabigtruckwell, i just submitted it :p21:35
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_MeeGoBot_Bug 978 maj, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.221:35
djszapiok so @people, vote ^21:35
itsnotabigtrucki'll go make a tmo thread21:35
djszapijust post in the same21:35
djszapiwhere the guy posted the "workaround".21:35
djszapithe guy we helped out.21:35
djszapior maybe a new thread yeah...reference to the old one21:36
djszapithat is probably better, year21:36
djszapiget the attenetion, and not the Xth post somewhere.21:36
djszapiand thank ypu for your effort :)21:38
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itsnotabigtruckhmmm, need a catchy title21:46
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djszapifree beers and cute women ? :D21:46
itsnotabigtruckwhat would get the newbs to pay attention to this21:46
jaywinkHey. Anyone know why an icon ends up showing on the device as a red square? Just looking for possible reasons, if it's a known issue caused by something. (N9, icon in Share UI plugin)21:46
itsnotabigtruck[Alert] PR1.2 install bug - take action now! < doesn't seem quite catchy enough21:47
djszapinot much people understand the issue right now apart from us21:47
itsnotabigtruckjaywink: it means it can't find the icon for the app21:47
djszapibut I am pretty sure when everybody realizes it, there is going to be many facepalms.21:47
itsnotabigtruckcat /usr/share/applications/yourapp.desktop21:47
itsnotabigtruckthere's an icon entry there, usually something like icon-l-foo21:47
itsnotabigtruckthat means there has to be an icon-l-foo.png in the right spot21:47
itsnotabigtruckotherwise you get the red square21:48
itsnotabigtruckoh, also, if you have an N950, put pr1.2 on it, and installed account-plugin-skype from the repos, they renamed the skype icon21:48
djszapi"Broken installation from the Nokia SDK repository ? :("21:48
jaywinkitsnotabigtruck, ok, so it's not in the right place then or I'm not calling it right. It's actually an icon for a plugin in Share UI, so I'm assuming it doesn't need a desktop file?21:48
djszapisomething like that ?21:48
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: that's less catchy :p21:49
djszapi"Broken installation from the Nokia SDK repository due to a PR1.2 regression ? :("21:49
itsnotabigtrucki'm just going to go with the take action now one21:49
djszapi"Broken installation from the Nokia SDK repository due to a PR1.2 regression ? As in, aegis sucks !?!?"21:49
djszapithat would bring quite a few trolls in :P21:49
itsnotabigtruckif the trolls continuously bump the thread, great :p21:51
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djszapithanks :)21:53
piggzare there any good sky-map type apps for N9? stellarium seems non-finger-friendly21:56
itsnotabigtruckpiggz: vote for bug 97821:59
itsnotabigtruckas for the skymap...hmm21:59
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.221:59
itsnotabigtruckalso jaywink, Sazpaimon, jpwhiting, rzr, and anybody else who's awake22:00
Sazpaimonitsnotabigtruck, ping22:01
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: that bug, add a vote for it22:02
itsnotabigtruckPR1.2 breaks the package installer so that unsigned apt repositories can't be installed from22:02
itsnotabigtruckthat includes the sdk repo that lots of people here use22:02
itsnotabigtruckalso i can't figure out how to sort by votes in bugzilla, hrm22:02
Sazpaimondoes that include the community repository too?22:03
djszapijust in the sense, that depends on a broken one :P22:03
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: for some reason it still works22:03
djszapiso theoritically not, practically yes22:03
Sazpaimonprobably have a special case added for it22:03
djszapithere is some effect on it.22:03
itsnotabigtruckSazpaimon: doubt it22:03
Sazpaimoni don't have a bugzilla account, i'll do it later at any rate22:03
Sazpaimonim on a roll with this account plugin22:04
itsnotabigtrucki wonder what's going on there actually22:04
Sazpaimoni just need to finish up the qml and I should be good to have other people test it22:04
itsnotabigtruckfor some reason aegis doesn't know packages from the community repo came from there, so it doesn't explode22:04
djszapias I said, the aegis-deb-release output is different22:04
djszapiwe do not have this SHA lines for the community repository22:04
djszapithat might confuse the dpkg wrapper recently for some reason.22:04
djszapibut I am just speculating...22:05
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itsnotabigtruck :p22:08
djszapithe old debate..22:09
itsnotabigtruck ugh22:21
itsnotabigtruckyay, 5 votes on the bug22:22
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djszapiyep, I told to many friends on IM :P22:24
djszapitoo :)22:24
djszapiwe are worse preachers than the Jehova witnesses lol22:25
djszapione guy wrote a script heh22:25
djszapiHeck, to work it around.22:26
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itsnotabigtruckgabriel9 SqRt7744: vote for bug 978 stat22:38
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.222:38
itsnotabigtrucklooks like we're up to 9 votes22:39
gabriel9itsnotabigtruck: what?22:41
djszapiokay, I have now also voted.22:41
SqRt7744itsnotabigtruck, yessir22:43
gabriel9ok, i created acc and voted22:43
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gabriel9and now let us drink :)22:43
gabriel9did you saw this?
djszapigabriel9: LOL22:44
gabriel9what, i had a long day22:45
* djszapi falls :D22:45
djszapigabriel9: that video happened at our stand22:45
itsnotabigtruckgabriel9 SqRt7744: awesome22:45
djszapiin the K building.22:45
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* djszapi would like to pay the airplane tickets for the Plasma Active sprint :/22:46
SqRt7744ok, I voted, but I don't want it fixed.. because **** you, that's why!22:46
gabriel9on your stand22:47
gabriel9i was thinking to get one22:47
SazpaimonI hate how if all I change is qml, qt creator refuses to re-deploy22:47
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djszapigabriel9: that is not the spark...22:48
gabriel9no, what is it?22:48
djszapiI presume, exopc22:49
djszapisince that what Intel gave us more times for free.22:49
gabriel9can i get one :)22:49
itsnotabigtruckhm, not sure if there's anybody else active right now that i haven't already yelled at about the bug :p22:50
djszapigabriel9: I have two, so if you wanna buy one ...22:50
jaywinkitsnotabigtruck, voted :)22:50
djszapithough, you might be interested more in the spark version22:50
djszapithat is around 200 EUR'ish22:50
djszapiand very hot one.22:51
itsnotabigtruckAard flux petteri matrixx folivora: vote for bug 978 pronto - it could be a serious problem when pr1.2 comes out22:51
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.222:51
itsnotabigtrucklooks like someone changed it to high priority, heh22:51
itsnotabigtruckit's up to 14 votes now22:51
matrixxitsnotabigtruck: just voted :)22:51
gabriel9which is better22:52
itsnotabigtruckmatrixx: woot22:52
jpwhitingdjszapi: did you end up getting libkeduvocdocument into a harmattan package for kanagram and khangman to use?22:53
jpwhitingsomeone e-mailed me yesterday about porting Parley to N9 and was wondering about that lib22:53
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itsnotabigtruckoh yeah, djszapi: you submitted kanagram 0.2 to ovi, right? have you published a deb anywhere else?22:53
djszapijpwhiting: hi, yes it is available.22:53
jpwhitingdjszapi: details?22:54
djszapiabout ?22:54
jpwhitingwhere to get it or how to build it22:54
jpwhitingthe library deb package22:54
djszapiit is in the community repository.22:54
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jpwhitingah, /me didn't realize it was in ovi22:57
* jpwhiting installs22:57
jpwhitingvery nice work djszapi22:57
djszapijpwhiting: unfortunately, only the old version is in Ovi22:58
djszapiand the update got a big overhaul :P22:58
jpwhitingah, how so?22:58
djszapithe first version was more or less experiment without too much design22:58
* jpwhiting really should try to build it some time22:58
djszapiget something work, and be happy feeling :)22:59
jpwhitinghmm, where is the community repository?22:59
djszapiI tried to do my best, and correctly in the update.22:59
djszapithere are still glitches, but the UI is improved a lot in my opinion.22:59
itsnotabigtruckunless you mean the appsformeego one22:59
djszapijpwhiting: though, I have a big issue with libkdeedu23:00
djszapiX-Fade: bang, c-obs is not functioning...23:00
djszapidoes not get anything building from scheduled state..23:01
jpwhitingdjszapi: oh, what issue?23:01
djszapijpwhiting: it has a hard dependency on KIO23:01
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: f5aae231080335bc5f77184aac164517a6b6748f23:01
itsnotabigtruckis that the sha-1 of your deb?23:01
itsnotabigtruckbecause aegis is saying it's truncated23:02
djszapino, 9ac6fd0adb4d88c314872db2db475eabef89ae8f23:02
djszapiI will update it.23:02
Aranelmy friend's N950 is in a reboot loop even after PR1.2 OCF reflash, is there anything to do or should I send it back to him and declare it's dead?23:02
djszapiis it charged enough ?23:02
itsnotabigtruckhmm, maybe i got a bad download, but 7-zip says it's legit (i downloaded it through the zip file)23:02
djszapiAranel: if not, try the --0wait .. option.23:03
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: is that in the gimped version of flasher23:03
itsnotabigtruckbut yeah, Aranel: attach it and do flasher -i23:03
itsnotabigtruckthen let it sit for a while23:03
itsnotabigtruckthat'll allow it to charge without allowing it to boot23:04
djszapiI really hope so because that is a useful option against reboot loop.23:04
Araneldjszapi: on the flasher itself? sudo ./Linux_OCF_..bin --0wait?23:04
itsnotabigtruckAranel: you need the flasher utility23:04
djszapioh no...23:04
itsnotabigtruckthat bin file is flasher bundled together with an image file23:04
itsnotabigtruckyou should split them apart23:04
Araneloh you mean by using flasher itself. But then I would need firmware itself23:04
Aranelyup, how am I going to do that?23:04
itsnotabigtruckyou just have to strip off the first n bytes23:04
itsnotabigtruckno idea what n is23:04
djszapijpwhiting: KIO depends on kdeui in kde423:05
djszapikdeui is 4.2MB23:05
itsnotabigtruckthere's doc's script for separating the image23:06
djszapithat "so", that is. I need to pull that in too.23:06
djszapijpwhiting: we could either have fallback network download in kde edu23:06
djszapior address the issue in kio which is a bit hard Ithink.23:06
djszapiluckily enough, kf5 will decouple kio into core and ui.23:06
gabriel9i read all this messages what you write guys and i don't understand, any of it :D23:07
djszapigabriel9: not enough alcohol ;)23:08
gabriel9i did not take any, i don't like drinking alone23:08
gabriel9even my gf is not here23:08
gabriel9just me and this confusing documentation for qt quick :D23:09
itsnotabigtruckdjszapi: turns out it was because i was putting the file on /tmp/23:09
itsnotabigtruckand pscp didn't tell me something went wrong23:09
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: Extracting finished at 23:09:26 but I don't know the  filename.23:10
itsnotabigtruckprobably DFLsomething23:11
itsnotabigtruckwait no, it's probably img.bin and emmc.bin23:11
djszapijpwhiting: I even ported the Plasma Components to Harmattan ;-)23:11
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itsnotabigtrucka8cd1bf0a0e3511981c9c90c29e555cfe6ac56eb img.bin 10110330dc3f46ae6d538627b7e57fbcbda7a45b emmc.bin23:12
itsnotabigtruckAranel: check those sha-1's23:12
itsnotabigtruckthen, flasher -i23:13
itsnotabigtruckit can only connect right at the very first part of boot23:13
jpwhitingdjszapi: why does libkdeedu depend on kio at all?23:13
itsnotabigtruckmight have to power it off and on a few times23:13
itsnotabigtrucklet it charge for a good bit of time, then disconnect and power it back on, if it's still flipping out, then flash the whole thing with23:14
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: okay passed  the sha1sum23:14
itsnotabigtruckflasher -F img.bin -F emmc.bin -f23:14
djszapijpwhiting: network download23:14
itsnotabigtruckto get it out of flasher mode, do flasher -R23:14
djszapiwhich is the transparency provided by kio23:14
itsnotabigtruckeven though the help says it reboots, that actually powers off23:14
itsnotabigtruckso after flasher -R, power on with the button23:15
jpwhitingdjszapi: I figured that, but what is libkdeedu using download for?23:15
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itsnotabigtruckoh, also, Aranel: you should probably confine the flash to just rootfs and mmc to minimize the risk23:15
itsnotabigtruckso instead of using that command, do it as two flashes23:15
Aranelby the way, if it's relevant: OCF works quite good, it flashed and everything went OK, then device started the loop, not in the process of OCF23:16
itsnotabigtruckflasher -F img.bin -f --flash-only=rootfs23:16
itsnotabigtruckflasher -F img.bin -F emmc.bin -f --flash-only=mmc23:16
djszapijpwhiting: kdevocdocument23:16
itsnotabigtruckthat will avoid flashing the bootloader, cmt, etc.23:16
djszapiplus kio jobs in sharedkvtmlfiles, and move/mkdir kio methods23:16
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: Found device RM-680, hardware revision 1124 flasher -i works23:17
djszapiand this is acceptable for libkdeedu in ideal case23:17
jpwhitingdjszapi: ah, right, /me remembers adding that23:17
djszapibut not having a decoupled kio is not an ideal case23:17
jpwhitingexcept that kio is pulling in all of kdeui?23:17
djszapilibkdeedu does nothing from architecture pov23:17
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: should I add the -0wait part?23:18
djszapibut workaround might be easier to do in kde edu23:18
Aranelflasher -F img.bin .. .. --0wait?23:18
djszapidoes nothing wrong, I mean*23:18
jpwhitingdjszapi: yeah, true, what do you suggest?23:18
djszapijpwhiting: so my app is like 1.2 MB normally, but 5.4 MB or so with this limitation :P23:19
jpwhitingnot use kio in libkdeedu until kde frameworks come out?23:19
djszapiat least a fallback23:19
itsnotabigtruckAranel: no, just wait23:19
itsnotabigtruckdon't flash or do anything else yet23:19
djszapiI am not a kio expert, though23:19
djszapiI know ervin almost reached the clean separation between core and ui before the KDE4 feature freeze23:19
itsnotabigtruckthe wait argument a) won't work on that flasher, you'd have to download one of the old flashers that they probably mistakenly released with all features intact23:19
djszapibut unfortunately, the freeze hit him.23:20
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itsnotabigtruckb) it just waits for battery charge before flashing23:20
itsnotabigtrucknothing that letting it sit for a couple hours won't do23:20
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: done. flashed both rootfs and mmc23:20
rantomFor those who are interested:
itsnotabigtruckhm, what's the battery charge percentage23:20
Aranelitsnotabigtruck: Battery level 82 %, continuing.23:20
itsnotabigtruckoh, then there was no need to charge23:20
rantomOpera Mobile Labs web browser for the N923:20
itsnotabigtruckrantom: yup23:21
rantomitsnotabigtruck: happy happy happy :)23:21
itsnotabigtruckrantom: now go vote for bug 97823:21
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itsnotabigtruckrantom: more info23:22
rzrdjszapi: here?23:23
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Aranelitsnotabigtruck: I booted it and it's stuck in the Nokia logo for 5mins now, should I power it off?23:27
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Sazpaimondesign question23:56
Araneldjszapi: where should I put that --0wait flag? Looks like just flashing it wasn't enough.23:59
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