| Aranel | merlin1991: I'm trying the reverse of what we did, instead of calling a Python function from QML, I want to trigger an QML item (spesifically: InfoBanner.show), from Python. How could I achieve that? | 00:01 |
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| merlin1991 | qml functions are slots to python, though nfc how you'd call them directly | 00:03 |
| merlin1991 | I think I had the docs for it open todday | 00:04 |
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| merlin1991 | btw Aranel just found this: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Filling_and_reading_QML_UI_forms_from_Python | 00:11 |
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| djszapi | faenil: got a bit of time for app testing ? | 00:28 |
| faenil | nope sorry :( | 00:29 |
| djszapi | heh | 00:30 |
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| merlin1991 | sry Aranel only did the other way round | 00:40 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: checking that URL now :) Looks a bit confusing to me | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | does anyone else see pink fringing on the time on the LP screen? | 00:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | [on the N9] | 00:41 |
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| djszapi | interesting, people need to pay for the update... | 00:42 |
| djszapi | that is a pretty nasty bug... | 00:42 |
| djszapi | in OVI, that is. | 00:42 |
| ninnnu | Do people have to pay again for re-download? | 00:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ninnnu: no, but i think there's a limit on how many times you can do so | 00:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 5 iirc | 00:44 |
| Aranel | heard that it's now 10 | 00:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is ridiculous, yet another case of pirates getting a better product than paying customers | 00:44 |
| djszapi | ninnnu: no, but you do need for update. | 00:45 |
| ninnnu | djszapi: So you can't workaround by uninstalling old version and then downloading the updated version? | 00:45 |
| djszapi | ninnnu: after you paid at least once for sure. | 00:46 |
| djszapi | Although you do not wanna lose your data either | 00:46 |
| djszapi | so that is alsoa no go. | 00:46 |
| djszapi | http://minus.com/mfe4ngZGx#1 -> anybody idea how to put the middle content a bit under | 00:48 |
| djszapi | like 20-30 px, so that it would scale to the middle of the chalkboard | 00:48 |
| djszapi | I have just used a column with those button rows, and centerIn: parent; where the parent is the page. | 00:49 |
| djszapi | margin did not help on the column so far | 00:49 |
| djszapi | here you can find the qml description: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/GamePage.qml | 00:50 |
| djszapi | one of the last blockers before publishing the update. | 00:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | did anyone ever test the calendar hack? | 00:53 |
| djszapi | you can test the application: http://minus.com/mbnbg4ENk5#1 | 00:54 |
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| djszapi | verticalCenterOffset helped with my issue, cool. | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | > does anyone else see pink fringing on the time on the LP screen? | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi ninnnu Aranel ^ | 01:13 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: sorry, #n950club member :p | 01:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 01:14 |
| djszapi | unfortunately I do not | 01:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm just wondering if i've screwed something up or if it was always like that and i wasn't paying attention | 01:14 |
| ninnnu | LP? | 01:15 |
| djszapi | Aranel ninnnu: do you have time and sake to test my app before pushing to Ovi | 01:16 |
| ninnnu | no | 01:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ninnnu: low power = lp | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's the one with the clock that moves around | 01:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the most locked of the lock screens | 01:17 |
| Aranel | djszapi: well, would it kill people, crash something or give me the finger in any other way? :p | 01:18 |
| ninnnu | itsnotabigtruck: It looks normal to me? The edges of numbers have random coloured pixels if you look closely, though. | 01:19 |
| djszapi | Aranel: not that I am aware of. | 01:20 |
| Aranel | djszapi: okay, why not :) | 01:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ninnnu: that's what i mean, if you look closely there's pink pixels | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's really noticeable on numeral 2s | 01:22 |
| Aranel | djszapi: http://minus.com/mbnbg4ENk5#1 this one? | 01:25 |
| djszapi | nope | 01:25 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: you always catch bugs ... wanna test the updated kanagram version shortly ? :) | 01:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167127 | 02:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: have you updated it since the min.us link earlier? | 02:21 |
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| Sazpaimon | I can't figure out why my translation files arent loading | 03:28 |
| Sazpaimon | i strace my process and see that it's finding the qm file I want | 03:29 |
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| Sazpaimon | but the strings arent getting translated | 03:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167127#post1167136 i can't figure out whether that person is saying "pr1.2 has this feature?!" or "pr1.2 has this already" | 03:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because if it's the latter, my post says that already >_> | 03:32 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, can you help me figure out why my translation file isnt loading | 03:36 |
| Sazpaimon | I'm running installTrCatalog from MLocale, and an strace shows it loading my translation qm file | 03:36 |
| Sazpaimon | but my strings still appear untranslated | 03:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: i really don't know anything about that | 03:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | do N900 and N9 both use the wl1271? | 03:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like the answer is no, N900 is wl1251 | 03:42 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 03:46 |
| Sazpaimon | they use different chipsets | 03:46 |
| Sazpaimon | N900s has support for packet injecton, but not AP mode | 03:47 |
| Sazpaimon | N9's is the opposite | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ω | 03:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: is the packet injection problem a kernel thing or a firmware/chip thing | 03:50 |
| Sazpaimon | firmware | 03:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it looks like people were claiming that the wl1251 firmware couldn't do packet injection, and then it got implemented in the driver | 03:51 |
| Sazpaimon | it got implemented after someone was paid to do it | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so is there anything actually backing up it being a firmware problem? | 03:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | paid to do it...in the kernel module | 03:51 |
| Sazpaimon | http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ | 03:52 |
| Sazpaimon | tl;dr guy was comissioned to write packet injection patches for the current driver, was never paid | 03:53 |
| Sazpaimon | so he ended up releasing it publicly | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: right, my point is | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the kernel module is open source, the firmware is not | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the chip firmware, that is | 03:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if the lack of packet injection is a kernel module problem, it can, in theory, be done | 03:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it's a firmware problem it can't | 03:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so that makes all the difference in the world | 03:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | people said it was a firmware problem with the wl1251, but then gnedt did that mod, which afaict is all in the kernel module | 03:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so what i'm wondering about here is whether the problem with wl1271 really has anything to do with the chip firmware or if people are just assuming that | 03:55 |
| Sazpaimon | it's my understanding that all wl12xx chipsets have the same, or similar firmware | 03:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because when it comes to embedded devices people make a lot of wrong assumptions about things they can't do | 03:55 |
| Sazpaimon | though I dont know that for sure | 03:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so in that case if the wl1271 is close enough to the wl1251, the patch for the wl1251 module could be adapted to the wl1271 | 03:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and, assuming aegis is out of the way, packets could be injected | 03:57 |
| Sazpaimon | sakdjfnsakjd | 04:27 |
| Sazpaimon | fucking | 04:27 |
| Sazpaimon | i spent an hour figuring out why my haze-steam connection manager wasnt working | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | it was failing at tp_connection_manager_check_valid_name | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | why i didnt check the documentation for it is beyond me | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | Check that the given string is a valid connection manager name, i.e. that it consists entirely of ASCII letters, digits and underscores, and starts with a letter. | 04:28 |
| Sazpaimon | as in, no dashes | 04:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 04:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | why not just call it steam | 04:37 |
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| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, because it has all the same capabilities of haze | 04:42 |
| Sazpaimon | pluse steam | 04:42 |
| Sazpaimon | *plus | 04:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: maybe it would be a good idea to exclude everything but steam | 04:42 |
| Sazpaimon | mc-tool: org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.McdAccountManagerError.Code0: Failed to set parameter: Protocol steam not found | 04:44 |
| Sazpaimon | oh what now | 04:44 |
| Sazpaimon | how is that even possible | 04:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | :( only one reply on tmo so far | 05:03 |
| oscoder | hi guys,i came across an issue about the js date used in the harmattan. i just want self-implemente a month view component. also used js date to build corresponding date of month view , but some days of the view show unexpected errors, such as double date of the same. | 05:04 |
| oscoder | someone know why!? | 05:04 |
| oscoder | i even didn't know whether if there are some bugs in the interface supplied by harmattan ,.\ | 05:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know why the top radio stations on the Internet Radio app are almost entirely arabic stuff? strange | 05:08 |
| oscoder | I also verified it with simple ways.. and didnt' find out why the issue occurs. | 05:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oscoder: not sure | 05:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seems like all most people here talk about here is QML behaving strangely | 05:11 |
| oscoder | oh,,that is too bad to me | 05:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw install http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1167127 and your calendar icon will update with the date | 05:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (assuming you aren't using PR1.2 already) | 05:13 |
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| oscoder | thanks itsnotabigtruck for you help ...but the link you pasted in chat room , i have skim it ,sorry,, that is not my necessary... | 05:15 |
| oscoder | i just want known the real reason of the issue occurs. | 05:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then you'll have to wait for someone who's experienced in qml | 05:16 |
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| oscoder | whether if the date of js has some issues when used in the harmattan ,, i didn't know. | 05:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i don't think you've really provided enough info for anyone to figure it out anyway | 05:16 |
| oscoder | en.. | 05:17 |
| oscoder | i jus think it is too terrible for me to describe the issue clearly... | 05:17 |
| oscoder | ok, also thanks to you . | 05:18 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: yes, it is updated | 06:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: hm? which message are you referring to | 06:42 |
| djszapi | you last message to me. | 06:42 |
| djszapi | your* | 06:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh ok, so http://minus.com/mbnbg4ENk5#1 is up to date | 06:42 |
| djszapi | no | 06:43 |
| djszapi | I have an updated localy copy. | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah | 06:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't test atm anyway, my phone's powered off | 06:43 |
| djszapi | but I am facing a warning where I handbang against the wall | 06:43 |
| djszapi | qml gives me warnings for row and anchor usage. | 06:43 |
| djszapi | so I should kindly reinvent the wheel because qml thinks it is cool | 06:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 06:44 |
| djszapi | long story short: you cannot align elements in the row, to left or right. | 06:45 |
| djszapi | I mean ... I can, and it works, just stupid warning | 06:45 |
| djszapi | so I guess I should drop the row, and make each row element anchored up bottom left right etc | 06:45 |
| djszapi | to get the correct stuff, but that is annoying + super error-prone -> maintenance overhead | 06:46 |
| djszapi | for i nstance a row in the settings page is something where you make theanchor left for the first element, and right for the second (speaking of a switch for instance). | 06:47 |
| djszapi | perhaps I could use column and embedded items. | 06:48 |
| djszapi | mmh, actually nope without the anchor overhead :/ | 06:50 |
| djszapi | is there any simpler way ? :o | 06:54 |
| Sazpaimon | alright! | 06:57 |
| Sazpaimon | I have steam semi-working on my device | 06:57 |
| Sazpaimon | my contacts list is populated with my steam friends | 06:58 |
| Sazpaimon | i had to use mc-tool to add it though | 06:58 |
| Sazpaimon | the account plugin is bugging out :/ | 06:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nice | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw are there any reliable sources of USB covers for the N9 | 07:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently it's a field-replaceable part but the only place selling them i could find was some finland-only shop | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon | http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6770/screen20feb12001215.png | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | awesome | 07:19 |
| beford | blocked login? | 07:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: make sure the steam plugin you're using isn't susceptible to MITM attacks | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: hm? | 07:23 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, it uses standard ssl connections | 07:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: which need to be verified | 07:23 |
| beford | that's what I get when viewing that imageshack | 07:23 |
| beford | redirects me to http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg | 07:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: that's odd... | 07:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but Sazpaimon: use http://imgur.com instead | 07:24 |
| beford | the check headers or something | 07:24 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont like imgur because of reddit | 07:24 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: erm, what? | 07:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use it anyway, imageshack is garbage | 07:24 |
| Sazpaimon | something strange about this, if you go to your desktop steam client and send a message | 07:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and reddit is awesome...not as awesome as it used to be | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | it gets sent to your phone as an incoming message | 07:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | due to the decay cycle that waters down every website | 07:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but still | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | i think this is a limitation of telepathy | 07:25 |
| Sazpaimon | because i think that this happens on skype too | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't that a feature of the protocol | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | but im not sure about that | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it just needs to be handled correctly | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's called 'carbon copies' | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | steam never had this until now | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | previously you coild only be logged on to one client at a time | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | now its 1 desktop client, and 1(?) mobile client | 07:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | maybe ignore the copies unless there's an ongoing conversation going? | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont think there's any way to know if an incoming message is a copy | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon | i'll have to look at the pidgin protocol more | 07:28 |
| Sazpaimon | i also need to turn off steam guard for this to work | 07:29 |
| Sazpaimon | i also need to turn off steam guard for this to work | 07:29 |
| Sazpaimon | oops damn up key | 07:30 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway it sends an email to your account with an access code that you need to enter after logging in when yolu log in from a new machine | 07:30 |
| Sazpaimon | im not sure how to implement that | 07:30 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean, I know the UI can just do the account check when you put in your details | 07:31 |
| Sazpaimon | and then have you put in the access code there | 07:31 |
| Sazpaimon | but the fact that it goes to your email makes it annoying nonetheless | 07:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nokia_N9.jpg | 07:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is that a red N9? | 07:50 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82451 what is this drivel :/ | 08:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | things like that make me think apple's iron-fist apps policy might be a good idea sometimes | 08:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82450 far inferior to the existing free one, but you get the privilege of paying for it | 08:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i shouldn't be downtalking people's apps :| but still, it's one thing to put a price tag on serious apps that have serious time/passion/etc. put into them | 08:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's another to try and make a quick buck on trivialities | 08:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and not even high quality trivialities | 08:05 |
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| beford | looks like a crappy photoshoped red n9 yea | 08:13 |
| beford | xd | 08:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 08:14 |
| djszapi | also, quite ugly :P | 08:14 |
| Sazpaimon | thats the magenta N9 | 08:15 |
| Sazpaimon | taken with a bad camera | 08:15 |
| djszapi | or maybe N10 in fact. | 08:16 |
| Sazpaimon | so another bug i ran into | 08:16 |
| Sazpaimon | messags are coming in twice | 08:16 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont know if thats because i was at another IP at the time, or what | 08:17 |
| Sazpaimon | could just be haze bugging out too | 08:17 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, im thinking of doing what you sand and making haze just handle steam | 08:18 |
| Sazpaimon | \and then maybe I can just statically compile in the libpurple and libsteam libraries in it | 08:18 |
| Sazpaimon | that way just the haze binary would be needed | 08:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://n9-apps.com/calendarrr woot | 08:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: you should make a entry on n9-apps for kanagram | 09:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's extremely easy to do | 09:00 |
| djszapi | heh | 09:00 |
| djszapi | no I will make it non free | 09:00 |
| djszapi | and abuse the bug about update | 09:01 |
| djszapi | and I will keep updating with an automated script :P | 09:01 |
| djszapi | with super long changelog with bug fixes and new feature s:P | 09:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: say doubleplus:-( to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1167136&postcount=2 for the CptObvious post | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | the reason why I don't usually look at tmo anymore | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously >> The upcoming PR1.2 firmware includes this functionality "out of the box", so this program won't be needed anymore then.<< wasn't clear enough for youmeego | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible that your mo karma gets PLUS points for posting such redundant BS | 09:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i can't figure out if that post is saying "oh, pr1.2 has this? cool" | 09:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or "you know pr1.2 has this already" | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it means, it's definitely annoying noise | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 09:14 |
| infobot | methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or too much offtopic | 09:15 |
| Sazpaimon | or too many foreigners | 09:15 |
| Sazpaimon | with poor sentance structure | 09:15 |
| Sazpaimon | seriously, just try and read some of the stuff people post word for word in your brain | 09:16 |
| djszapi | aye, I am sorry for that too. My English also sucks a lot ;-) | 09:16 |
| Sazpaimon | you can not do it | 09:16 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, are you polish? | 09:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | i have a pole friend who used to talk like you | 09:17 |
| Sazpaimon | now he's fluent | 09:17 |
| djszapi | no, not really. :) | 09:17 |
| djszapi | Though, I normally do many typos which make my sentences and posts messed. | 09:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nobody here except the noobs speaks terrible english; i doubt that's a coincidence | 09:19 |
| djszapi | oh damn this nokia ovi update bug was marked as wontfix... | 09:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | learning a language is bloody hard but if you're too careless to pay attention to spelling and sentence structure you're usually too careless to do your research either | 09:20 |
| djszapi | long ago... | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang, if Reggie was susceptable to improvement suggestions for tmo, I'd have had him add a "NO thanks!" button since long time | 09:20 |
| Sazpaimon | also Ive stopped really going to TMO anymore | 09:21 |
| Sazpaimon | its all harmattan haters and people that want whatsapp | 09:21 |
| Sazpaimon | or android | 09:21 |
| djszapi | mmh, I should change the slider for the time settings...replacing with this prolly: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components-extras/qt-components-meego-extrastimepickerdialog.html?tab=1 | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | susceptible* | 09:21 |
| djszapi | mmh, not really..if it is only good for real date/time instead of timers...prolly custom one then... | 09:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: they marked it as WONTFIX? why isn't this documented anywhere? | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatsapp is becoming a ban'able word on this chan soonish | 09:22 |
| Sazpaimon | thank GOD | 09:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the nokia publish site makes it sound like you can update apps however whenever | 09:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | implying that the users can update them too | 09:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | without repurchasing | 09:23 |
| djszapi | I know. | 09:23 |
| Sazpaimon | oh and also the daily lyncg elop thread | 09:23 |
| djszapi | that is why I mentioned it this morning | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | still no clue WTF this app might be for | 09:23 |
| djszapi | it is yet another serious issue | 09:23 |
| djszapi | because my friend got a review, he sucked :D | 09:23 |
| Sazpaimon | *lynch | 09:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: it's an SMS alternative that uses the data connection | 09:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. a glorified im client | 09:23 |
| djszapi | the user did not know it was not my friend's mistake... | 09:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it uses phone numbers instead of nicknames | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | EEEW | 09:23 |
| djszapi | so it takes effect on publishers a lot ... | 09:23 |
| djszapi | and on their reputation... | 09:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it also has the unique feature of costing money ($2/yr subscription fee) | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | an idiot skimmer | 09:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't understand why everyone wants it, i wasn't aware it was even all that popular | 09:24 |
| * djszapi wonders why there has never been a screenshot to the qt components | 09:24 | |
| djszapi | attached* | 09:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and there's already ebuddy xms ported, which is basically the same thing | 09:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and unlike whatsapp it's free | 09:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you're really jonesing for that sort of thing it's already covered even | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | send SMs for "free", pay by giving us your mobile number | 09:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus your SMs text | 09:25 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: plus sub fee, plus lock in due to proprietary wrapper around xmpp | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | OUCH | 09:25 |
| djszapi | interesting that the image tiling does not respect the macros ... | 09:26 |
| djszapi | margins, even* | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that a *real* bargain? | 09:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so yeah, i'm not completely opposed to the underlying idea of whatsapp, even though i'd prefer that people use ordinary im protocols (jabber) | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | idiot skimmer | 09:26 |
| * djszapi hopes stretch does. | 09:26 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | traditional im isn't trendy anymore and whatsapp-type things are convenient | 09:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but whatsapp itself...i don't see any reason to want it | 09:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then people are signing an online petition for it...when was the last time one of those was effective | 09:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 1997? | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the name itself is so annoying, I officially declare the name a ban'able subject | 09:27 |
| * djszapi has no idea what "whatsapp" is...googling... | 09:28 | |
| djszapi | ahh that one ! | 09:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what sap pronounces that sort of rule ;) | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict sap | 09:29 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'sap' (1 of 17): abate, abri, approach trench, asshole, attenuate, axiom, babe, beverage, blood, blunt, boob, booby, bore, bunker, burrow, center, chump, cinch, communication trench, core, countermine, coupure, cramp, credulous person, cripple, cull, damp, dampen, deaden, debilitate, delve, dematerialize, deplete, destroy, devitalize, dig, dig out, dike, ding-a-ling, dingbat, dingdong, disable, disembody, distillate, distillation, ditch, ... | 09:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sap(1) n. [5] Slang. a fool; dupe. | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | some of those seem to match fairly well | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 09:30 |
| * RST38h moos | 09:30 | |
| RST38h | Soo, ladies, gentlemen, and other life forms, what is going on? | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | discussing idiot skimmers | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather: declaring them ban'able subjacts | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | YAY | 09:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: http://n9-apps.com/calendarrr you know you need it (unless you have pr1.2, then you don't) | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | subjects* | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you need to read http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1167136&postcount=2 | 09:32 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: have you verified package checksums against the signed release files ? | 09:33 |
| djszapi | about the aegis-install (dpkg wrapper issue) topic. | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | err... | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or not | 09:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: there is no signature, that's the problem | 09:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer hums "Monday morning" of Velvet Underground | 09:34 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt uses detached signatures, on the problem repos, the detached signatures aren't there | 09:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then the bug in aegis-install is that it treats /unsigned/ repos differently from /signed/ repos that don't match any trusted key | 09:34 |
| djszapi | darn, I seriously think it should have signed. | 09:35 |
| djszapi | be* | 09:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and in the former case it bombs out due to the new check | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA | 09:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so simply putting a signature on every apt repo for harmattan would fix it | 09:35 |
| djszapi | What exactly does aegis-origin report from packages? | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | brilliant | 09:35 |
| djszapi | yes, but that is just one side of the coin | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail aegis | 09:36 |
| * infobot bows down to aegis and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 09:36 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, fix is the wrong word | 09:36 |
| djszapi | The dpkg wrapper should be able to work with any untrusted repository for sure. | 09:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mitigate it when the broken aegis-install hits and screws everyone up | 09:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it reported unknown iirc | 09:36 |
| djszapi | please double check | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a *real* gain for platform security and especially usability in each and every regard | 09:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're the one with the multitude of phones with beta firmware releases | 09:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i'm the one who needs sleep for a 9am class | 09:37 |
| djszapi | aegis-origin zlib1g_1.2.3.3.dfsg-17\+0m6_armel.deb | 09:37 |
| djszapi | map_archive_file: Could not open the archive file: unknown | 09:37 |
| djszapi | Failed to get the signature from the Release file! | 09:37 |
| djszapi | Unknown | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ¡ | 09:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: /me sighs, can't you save it for later x_x | 09:37 |
| djszapi | seems I left some bogus output on the console :P | 09:37 |
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| djszapi | when I wrote this aegis origin thingie | 09:38 |
| djszapi | anyway, it is untrusted. | 09:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 09:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | later I'm busy with daywork | 09:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmm...i forgot about the origin utility...maybe i was barking up the wrong tree | 09:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, except that it's probably supposed to say unknown for an unsigned package because it is | 09:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | night! | 09:40 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: sleep well | 09:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer sets up a script 'while 1; timer 1800; say "~hail aegis"; wend' | 09:41 | |
| RST38h | Doc: PR1.2 has this feature. | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly?! | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 09:49 |
| RST38h | Doc: But I would not mind to have the same for email, messages, and a few other things like rss =) | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I would not mind getting back sane desktops as in fremantle/diablo | 09:50 |
| * RST38h is almost used to harmattan desktop | 09:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | even though that would mean resurrection of widget madness and live wallpapers | 09:50 |
| RST38h | It is a weird case of user experience designers prevailing over BOTH developers and the common sense though | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoot all UX designers | 09:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: But look at the bright side: now you can have fremantle/diablo desktops on your Linux computer | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if only for their slotmachine time/date-pickers | 09:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: In fact, these are the only desktops that will be available from now on | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | the unrivaled top of idiocy | 09:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer burps and wanders off for a daywork in winXP hell | 09:53 | |
| RST38h | Don't you feel mmmm... elated by the fact that the old good S90 platform lives on in the shape of Unity and Gnome3? | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno either | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | literally never touched any of the three | 09:55 |
| RST38h | Doc: Of course you did | 09:56 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Hildon. | 09:57 |
| RST38h | S90 is Hildon. Or its direct and only parent, anyway | 09:57 |
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| mtd | anyone packaging a python + QML app for the N9/N950? I'm in need of a real-world example after reading debian packaging guidelines till my head bleeds. | 10:58 |
| jonni | there shouldnt be issues, other than you need to add "depends: python" most likely, or which parts of instructions gives the bleeds? | 11:04 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade ping... | 12:07 |
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| djszapi | we have a sort of trouble with the Nokia SDK repository...namely, we should get rid of that... | 12:07 |
| djszapi | for the community OBS | 12:07 |
| djszapi | it is never meant to be usable for the device, and we heavily depend on that instead of the tools and apps repositories. | 12:07 |
| djszapi | and with the upcoming Pr1.2. the Nokia SDK repository is broken meaning that the community repository will be broken meaning that apps4meego will be broken ... | 12:08 |
| djszapi | and there is no real sign from the Nokia SDK side to sign the Nokia SDK repository which would solve our case... | 12:08 |
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| mrAlmond | Hi everyone | 12:52 |
| mrAlmond | Where can I found sources of the "official" browser application for Meego Harmattan? | 12:52 |
| jonni | mrAlmond: afaik grob sourcesre not public, but webkit2 sources are here http://gitorious.org/+qtwebkit-webkit2-dev/webkit/qtwebkit-webkit2-dev | 12:53 |
| mrAlmond | I need them because I just want to know how the browser handles anchor links when it is in tiled mode. | 12:54 |
| mrAlmond | Does meego browser use qt classes? | 12:54 |
| jonni | its a qt application, so I would guess yes | 12:54 |
| mrAlmond | I don't have a device running meego...does anchor links in browser works? | 12:55 |
| mrAlmond | I mean page "internal links" | 12:55 |
| decibyte | like links to an element id #my-element ? | 12:55 |
| mrAlmond | yes | 12:56 |
| decibyte | i'll test right away. but i'm pretty sure it works. | 12:57 |
| mrAlmond | I've created a browser for an embedded device running linux and I'm using qt embedded (no X11) | 12:57 |
| mrAlmond | my browser uses opengl for tile rendering | 12:57 |
| mrAlmond | and implements kinetic scrolling | 12:57 |
| mrAlmond | but anchor links do not work | 12:58 |
| mrAlmond | so I just wanted to have a look at meego sources | 12:58 |
| decibyte | it works | 12:58 |
| mrAlmond | ok thanks...so sources of the top application are not public? | 12:59 |
| jonni | it uses webkit2 underneath so you can look anchors behaviour in webkit sources. #element name links work just fine | 13:00 |
| pa | hi everybody | 13:00 |
| pa | i found just today a nice application for quickly turn on and off the power save mode | 13:00 |
| pa | but i dont understand how to make it appear on the notification screen | 13:00 |
| mrAlmond | jonni : webkit handles anchors when scrolling is handled by the core itself...but when you set resizesToContents to true (when using kinetic scrolling and opengl rendering) the scroll must be handled by the top application so anchor links must be handled manually | 13:03 |
| mrAlmond | this is what I think | 13:04 |
| jonni | are you using webkit1 or webkit2? | 13:17 |
| mrAlmond | I'm using qt 4.7.2 that should have webkit1 | 13:19 |
| mrAlmond | I'm not sure because qtwebkit version is 2.0 but this is not the webkit version | 13:21 |
| mrAlmond | what a mess... :-/ | 13:21 |
| jonni | I just did grep -i anchor src/* on grob sources, there is no anchor handling in grob cpp files, all the anchor scrolling is done inside qml/webkit part of the code. | 13:21 |
| mrAlmond | I've a qml interface too but I think this thing are not handled in qml...probably only inside the c++ code | 13:22 |
| jonni | n9 browser uses qml + Flickable for all the scrolling handling and not c++. But as your app doesnt even use x11, then I dont know how you need to do it. | 13:25 |
| jonni | mrAlmond: as your app really isnt harmattan app, then most likely best channel for generic qtwebkit help is #qtwebkit | 13:26 |
| jonni | as in that channel you can find the experts on qtwebkit | 13:27 |
| jonni | (I've only played with qtwebkit 2 years ago, when we added multitouch support to webkit, and I havent looked webkit code since). | 13:30 |
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| mrAlmond | I'm in the qt-webkit channel but nobody answer me :-( | 13:38 |
| djszapi | be patient. | 13:38 |
| mrAlmond | is it the right channel? | 13:38 |
| djszapi | no | 13:39 |
| djszapi | #qtwebkit as jonni said. | 13:39 |
| djszapi | check out the vailable users, and it is only you :P | 13:39 |
| djszapi | so you kinda expect answers from yoruself :P | 13:39 |
| mrAlmond | no because usually there is people in it | 13:39 |
| djszapi | well, I have just joined, and you were the only one. | 13:40 |
| mrAlmond | yes now I'm the only one | 13:40 |
| djszapi | is it a miracle nobody answers ? :P | 13:40 |
| mrAlmond | but some time ago there was a lot of people | 13:40 |
| djszapi | I do not know what irc client you use, but it lists the people for me when I join a channel. | 13:42 |
| mrAlmond | ok probably I'm an idiot :-D | 13:42 |
| mrAlmond | I joined that and I saw history of chats between other people | 13:42 |
| mrAlmond | but probably it was the wrong history...I'm using xchat and probably it sucks | 13:43 |
| djszapi | this was a funny situation :D ;) | 13:43 |
| mrAlmond | omg...it's monday...I've to turn my brain on... | 13:44 |
| Corsac | can someone with working N9 confirm https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=653#c1 ? | 13:47 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 653 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO INVALID, music player can't select an album randomly | 13:47 |
| Corsac | (meaning, chosing shuffle on top of the album list plays album at random but inside an album will play it sequentially) | 13:47 |
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| decibyte | Corsac: mine seems to shuffle all tracks from all albums | 13:50 |
| Corsac | thanks | 13:51 |
| decibyte | Corsac: same is the case when shuffling from top of artist list | 13:52 |
| decibyte | ie. "shuffle" shuffles tracks, no matter from what list you select it | 13:53 |
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| djszapi | ohh btw guys...you can use platform icons with Image... I have not noticed it, but nice... | 14:25 |
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| Aranel | I want to implement "add to startup/remove from startup" feature on my app, but I can't easily cp app.conf to /etc/init/apps, what's the proper way of doing it? | 14:49 |
| djszapi | Aranel: you can | 14:50 |
| djszapi | what exactly is the problem ? | 14:50 |
| Aranel | cp: can't create '/etc/init/apps/meesaver.conf': Permission denied | 14:50 |
| djszapi | why would you that manually ? | 14:51 |
| djszapi | do* | 14:51 |
| djszapi | (and via packaging) | 14:51 |
| djszapi | and not* | 14:51 |
| Aranel | I thought that if it doesn't work from CLI as user, it wouldn't work with UI button too? | 14:52 |
| Aranel | I want to add app.conf to /apps if user hits "add to startup" button, and remove it if he hits remove from startup button. | 14:53 |
| djszapi | add from where ? | 14:54 |
| Aranel | from /opt/app/bin/app.conf | 14:54 |
| djszapi | ahh you would have an /opt/${project}/data/... | 14:54 |
| djszapi | I see... | 14:54 |
| djszapi | the most secure way is to run a process as root | 14:55 |
| djszapi | and request root userid for that process. | 14:55 |
| djszapi | or request the desired cap for set id | 14:56 |
| djszapi | but that is less secure. | 14:56 |
| Aranel | so should I create a seperate .sh file with cp /opt/app/sth.conf /etc/init/apps | 14:56 |
| djszapi | and less work. | 14:56 |
| Aranel | and run it as work? | 14:56 |
| Aranel | run it as root and it would work*? | 14:57 |
| djszapi | yeah | 14:57 |
| djszapi | looks ok | 14:57 |
| djszapi | but you do not run it as root as on a unix desktop | 14:57 |
| djszapi | you just need to request the root user id from the manifest file ... | 14:58 |
| Aranel | and, how am I going to request root? :) | 14:59 |
| djszapi | security manual pls. | 14:59 |
| djszapi | we well documented it. | 14:59 |
| djszapi | gri: http://minus.com/mtVSk7VtS#1 | 15:00 |
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| blueslee | is it possible to flash a completly wrong firmware onto a device or will this be blocked by the flasher? say n9 <> lumia 800 | 16:45 |
| alterego | The N9 and Lumia aren't the same device at all .. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | I am sure it is blocked :) | 16:50 |
| alterego | They both have likely extremely different flashing procedures. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | blueslee: wanna port Lumia to N9 heh ? | 16:50 |
| alterego | I imagine the lumia has some windows flashing thingy. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: return '' if ($rel eq 'unknown'); | 16:51 |
| djszapi | + return '' unless (-e "$rel.gpg"); | 16:51 |
| djszapi | this would be the patch for the broken wrapper in the aegis install I think. | 16:52 |
| djszapi | rzr: btw, we should sign the community repository, too. | 16:53 |
| blueslee | djszapi: i tried just for fun to flash the rescue images to the lumia, nothing happened ... | 16:53 |
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| djszapi | anybody having a Mac here for a small patch testing, please ? | 16:54 |
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| pa | is there something like "toggle PSM2 but for flight mode, and for wifi? | 17:19 |
| rzr | djszapi: hi i have my pgp keys i should have signed yours too :( | 17:22 |
| rzr | djszapi: we sucks | 17:22 |
| rzr | djszapi: but i am in debian keyring | 17:22 |
| djszapi|windows | it would be nice to sign the repository | 17:22 |
| djszapi|windows | any developer on Windows in here ? | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi|windows: wait, hold on | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what aegis-origin does is irrelevant | 17:23 |
| djszapi|windows | not really, no. | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because it's not used anywhere | 17:23 |
| djszapi|windows | that checks against the signature | 17:23 |
| djszapi|windows | yes, it is. | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but aegis-deb-release is important | 17:24 |
| djszapi|windows | does anybody have a perl > 5.10 version on Windows ? | 17:26 |
| djszapi|windows | Apparently, it is needed for Qt5 compilation | 17:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Migrating_from_beta_2_to_beta_3 | 17:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently this isn't exactly a new bug, hrm | 17:26 |
| djszapi|windows | it is | 17:27 |
| djszapi|windows | see the edition in the history. | 17:28 |
| djszapi|windows | 17th of February | 17:28 |
| djszapi|windows | the repo was never signed. | 17:28 |
| beford | I have a mac | 17:28 |
| djszapi|windows | in any case.... the workaround is to get the darn sdk team sign the repository. | 17:28 |
| beford | not a lot of stuff installed there though | 17:28 |
| djszapi|windows | before: can you test me a qt5 patch ? | 17:28 |
| djszapi|windows | you need a qt5 clone and build | 17:28 |
| djszapi|windows | that is all | 17:28 |
| beford | what do I need | 17:28 |
| djszapi|windows | sec | 17:29 |
| beford | sure give me the steps | 17:29 |
| djszapi|windows | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Building_Qt_5_from_Git | 17:29 |
| djszapi|windows | the problem is that, if the Nokia SDK repository broken, our community repository gets broken as well | 17:30 |
| djszapi|windows | in the sense, we cannot really install packages from there since most of them have deps in the Nokia SDK repository. | 17:30 |
| djszapi|windows | that said, the Nokia SDK repository was never meant for anything special, not even for device | 17:30 |
| djszapi|windows | we should use apps/tools repository, but still | 17:30 |
| * djszapi|windows desperatly needs some help with Windows qt5 setup for testing | 17:32 | |
| beford | ok its clonning, brb | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | 80 | 18:02 |
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| NsaneN900 | whats the issue with the chats account? messageserver is burning trough the battery. disabling my chat account takes my idle form 70mA to 7mA | 18:20 |
| beford | djszapi, its building now | 18:21 |
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| djszapi|windows | beford...Ooo you should not ... | 18:22 |
| djszapi|windows | just after applying my patch | 18:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | matrixx, ping | 18:22 |
| djszapi|windows | beford: http://paste.kde.org/425924/ | 18:23 |
| djszapi|windows | in qtbase: git apply $stuff | 18:23 |
| djszapi|windows | beford: btw, you need to reconfigure | 18:23 |
| djszapi|windows | because I had to add a unit test | 18:23 |
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| djszapi|windows | so the default qt5 build instructions nuke the unit test and example builds. | 18:24 |
| djszapi|windows | which is not acceptable for this patch | 18:24 |
| beford | oh | 18:24 |
| beford | ok | 18:24 |
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| bef0rd | djszapi|windows ./configure -developer-build -opensource -nomake examples like this is ok? | 18:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, in a few days, I'll make a new irc-chatter release. feel like testing? | 18:27 |
| djszapi|windows | nope | 18:27 |
| djszapi|windows | bef0rd: sounds ok | 18:27 |
| djszapi|windows | Venemo_N950: or well, more precisely: yes, I feel like testing, but zero time. | 18:28 |
| Venemo_N950 | no problem, no hurries | 18:28 |
| bef0rd | djszapi|windows, ok tell me how to apply your patch :) sorry I'm not used to git | 18:31 |
| djszapi|windows | type: | 18:32 |
| djszapi|windows | git apply | 18:32 |
| djszapi|windows | enter | 18:32 |
| djszapi|windows | copy paste my patch onto the input | 18:32 |
| djszapi|windows | ctrl-d | 18:32 |
| djszapi|windows | at least that is how it is on Linux | 18:32 |
| djszapi|windows | you probably need to do this in the qtbase folder. | 18:32 |
| bef0rd | ok, I have to copy all the things from the pastebin right? | 18:32 |
| djszapi|windows | yeah, but please make sure the raw output | 18:33 |
| djszapi|windows | FTR: Venemo_N950 you have not still tested my app :p | 18:35 |
| djszapi|windows | (at least no feedback to me yet, I have a new version for today btw) | 18:35 |
| djszapi|windows | itsnotabigtruck: to you too, if you can test it, please go for it | 18:36 |
| bef0rd | http://paste.kde.org/425936/ | 18:36 |
| djszapi|windows | bef0rd: git apply ../../djszapi.patch | 18:37 |
| bef0rd | uhm | 18:38 |
| bef0rd | xD | 18:38 |
| bef0rd | ok let me see | 18:38 |
| djszapi|windows | or wherever it is, you do not need the redirecting | 18:38 |
| bef0rd | same output though | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi|windows: ok, i think i have this narrowed down | 18:38 |
| djszapi|windows | how about git am ../../djszapi.patch ? | 18:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the root of the problem is that unsigned packages are supposed to be assigned a bogus fingerprint of PGP::deadbeef | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and that isn't happening | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if the gpg signature doesn't exist | 18:39 |
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| djszapi|windows | where is it supposed that way ? | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just search for deadbeef and you'll find it | 18:39 |
| djszapi|windows | search where ? | 18:39 |
| djszapi|windows | note, I am now on Windows | 18:39 |
| bef0rd | Applying: Add a remainingTime() method to the public interface of the QTimer class | 18:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh heh, right | 18:40 |
| djszapi|windows | cannot really do anything not too simple. | 18:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the perl wrapper | 18:40 |
| bef0rd | djszapi|windows make -j3 now? | 18:40 |
| djszapi|windows | yeah, or clang, or ninja | 18:40 |
| djszapi|windows | whatever available there :) | 18:40 |
| djszapi|windows | but /only/ in the qtbase folder. | 18:40 |
| djszapi|windows | itsnotabigtruck: also, all my respect if you feel like spending your time with perl ;) | 18:41 |
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| djszapi|windows | bef0rd: and when done, run this: ./tests/auto/corelib/kernel/qtimer/tst_qtimer | 18:43 |
| djszapi|windows | I am telling by heart, so the path needs some adjustment | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 18:44 |
| bef0rd | ok it will take some time I suppose, this is just a dual core macbook | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi|windows: ok, and it looks like it's assigning PGP::deadbeef *if and only if* the signature exists, but is signed with an unrecognized keyu | 18:44 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | otherwise it falls through and causes the other code to balk | 18:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so what it should be doing is a) valid signature exists - report key id, b) invalid signature exists - report unknown, c) no signature exists - report unknown, d) gpg fails - fail or report unknown | 18:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but instead it fails for both c and d | 18:46 |
| djszapi|windows | my one liner patch above fixed c though | 18:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is that something you posted here, or do you mean in the nokia repo | 18:48 |
| djszapi|windows | posted here for you with highlight | 18:48 |
| djszapi|windows | I could put it for review | 18:48 |
| djszapi|windows | but it is not gonna be integrated for PR1.2 | 18:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh whoops, there it is | 18:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi|windows: you're right, that's probably a better solution | 18:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | skips a bunch of extra work running gpg | 18:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i was afraid that was going to happen :/ even though this is a fairly high severity bug? i guess it doesn't impact "normal users" at all | 18:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but still that's *really* problematic, argh | 18:51 |
| bef0rd | djszapi|windows http://paste.kde.org/425972/ | 18:53 |
| bef0rd | but the error is not related to your patch I believe :/ | 18:54 |
| djszapi|windows | it is | 18:56 |
| bef0rd | oh good | 18:56 |
| bef0rd | and bad for you :P | 18:57 |
| djszapi|windows | qcocoaeventdispatcher.h | 18:57 |
| djszapi|windows | can you add one line here pls ? | 18:57 |
| bef0rd | yea | 18:57 |
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| bef0rd | what line? | 19:01 |
| djszapi|windows | wait a sec | 19:02 |
| djszapi|windows | I need to find my comform on Windows :) | 19:02 |
| djszapi|windows | comfort* | 19:02 |
| bef0rd | oh :P | 19:02 |
| Siosm | hi, I would like to start developping for the N9, but I'm on Arch Linux and the official SDK doesn't work really well. I'm trying scratchbox rigth now. I found http://www.johanpaul.com/blog/2011/06/how-to-set-up-meego-harmattan-development-environment-in-linux/ and I'm wondering about which way works best for development | 19:03 |
| djszapi|windows | bef0rd: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/master/src/plugins/platforms/cocoa/qcocoaeventdispatcher.h#line129 | 19:03 |
| djszapi|windows | after this, add this like: | 19:03 |
| djszapi|windows | int remainingTime(int timerId); | 19:03 |
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| djszapi|windows | bef0rd: wait | 19:04 |
| bef0rd | ok | 19:04 |
| djszapi|windows | I will write the patch myself for you later | 19:04 |
| djszapi|windows | it is gonna be simpler for both of us | 19:04 |
| bef0rd | I cantype it though | 19:04 |
| bef0rd | can type* | 19:04 |
| djszapi|windows | no really | 19:05 |
| djszapi|windows | I need to find half an hour | 19:05 |
| djszapi|windows | to understand the mm file. | 19:05 |
| djszapi|windows | and write a patch blindly. | 19:05 |
| bef0rd | Siosm whats your issue with archlinux and the QtSDK | 19:05 |
| bef0rd | djszapi, ok | 19:05 |
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| Siosm | bef0rd: I can deploy applications on my N9 but I can't run them on my desktop. I made some links for theme and basic qml stuff, but I can't find the corresponding imports for network... | 19:08 |
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| beford | Siosm, but you installed the package from QtSDK right? no the archlinux qtcreator package? | 19:10 |
| lbt | so .... OBS seems like it's mainly alive again | 19:10 |
| lbt | as of a few moments ago | 19:10 |
| djszapi|windows | cool | 19:10 |
| lbt | so could people ping me if there are any issues from now on ? | 19:11 |
| djszapi|windows | yeah | 19:11 |
| djszapi|windows | lbt: android target coming ? | 19:11 |
| lbt | sorry about the outage too - we had an upgrade for Mer with unexpected (obviously) side effects | 19:11 |
| lbt | hehe .... actually not as unreasonable as it might sound | 19:11 |
| lbt | the sb2 stuff can build against bionic I hear | 19:12 |
| lbt | (and that's what went in) | 19:12 |
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| Siosm | beford: I installed the QtSDK package, and ran the QtCreator included. However, I cannot use the Qt version included in the SDK because Arch Linux libpng version is to high, so I tried to use the 'desktop Qt' version with some links to help it find theme, com.nokia components imports. But I can't find the other imports I need | 19:13 |
| beford | Siosm, what libpng requires Qtsdk? I have not updated arch for a while :) but I believe there is an AUR package for libpng12 and libpng14 | 19:14 |
| Siosm | beford: ok, i should try this. Do you use the SDK ? Is scratchbox still a viable alternative ? | 19:15 |
| beford | QtSDK works ok, I have not tried sb on arch but I have it on an ubuntu machine but with the QtSDK is enough for me | 19:15 |
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| Siosm | beford: Ok, thanks for the tip | 19:17 |
| beford | Siosm, the aur packages should fix the libpng requirement | 19:17 |
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| djszapi|windows | beford: will you be around in ... say, about 2 hours ? | 19:27 |
| beford | yep | 19:27 |
| djszapi|windows | ok, I will update the patch on the bus then | 19:27 |
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| Venemo_N950 | matrixx, ping :) | 19:32 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey djszapiN9 :) | 19:43 |
| djszapiN9 | 'lo | 19:43 |
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| blacktass | hi all, I know about it week ago, but maybe someone knows how can I solve errors like one in the end of message. It occurs when I try to install qt5 for my n950 with pr1.2 (from install_qt5.sh script described in qt-porject wiki). Error itself: Aegis rejecting /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcb-xfixes0_1.7-1-meego1082+0m6_armel.deb: package 'libxcb-xfixes0' origin cannot be determined -- signature check failed | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79802 what happened to this tmo thread? | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | very strange... | 19:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | did anyone find a comprehensive solution to the orcexec problem with the camera | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for some bizarre reason TMO deleted the thread about it | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | heheh | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently it has something to do with kernel version mismatches | 20:01 |
| admiral0 | apparently nokia is watching tmo instead of coding | 20:03 |
| djszapiN9 | aye true | 20:04 |
| djszapiN9 | that is what i normally do | 20:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 20:05 |
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| Siosm | beford: Ok, I've installed the correct libpng and now I don't have this error anymore, but I now have include errors for each example I'm trying | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: any idea what might be going on with the orcexec problem (manifests as camera-ui complaining about the camera not responding) | 20:17 |
| djszapiN9 | sorry wtiting patch to beford | 20:18 |
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| djszapi | beford: http://paste.xinu.at/ogGwp/ | 20:20 |
| djszapi | beford: please revert the last one | 20:21 |
| djszapi | git reset HEAD{0} | 20:21 |
| djszapi | or maybe git reset HEAD{1} | 20:21 |
| djszapi | something like that | 20:21 |
| djszapi | but if you used git am: simply git reset --hard HEAD~1 | 20:22 |
| djszapi | if you used git patch, then just git reset --hard HEAD~0 | 20:22 |
| djszapi | and re-apply the patch accordingly. | 20:22 |
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| torarne | radiofree: ping | 20:26 |
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| bef0rd | patch format detection failed djszapi | 20:29 |
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| djszapiN9 | bef0rd, for git am ? | 20:34 |
| bef0rd | yes | 20:34 |
| djszapiN9 | check the patxh file | 20:34 |
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| djszapiN9 | make sure you only have the raw data | 20:34 |
| bef0rd | well I wget'ed the url like before and I dont see anything weird | 20:36 |
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| djszapiN9 | git apply ? | 20:37 |
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| bef0rd | no complain, I suppose it worked | 20:37 |
| djszapi | right. | 20:37 |
| bef0rd | make started again | 20:38 |
| djszapi | okay, cool. | 20:38 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade lbt what the heck is this avatar ? https://build.pub.meego.com/home?user=djszapi | 20:38 |
| djszapi | not that I dislike the pink, but still :) | 20:39 |
| lbt | like it says | 20:39 |
| lbt | Profile pictures are provided by Gravatar, | 20:39 |
| lbt | and are based on your email address Update your picture... | 20:39 |
| lbt | at some point you (or someone) put that as your profile in gravatar :) | 20:39 |
| djszapi | can you disable this service ? | 20:40 |
| lbt | no | 20:40 |
| lbt | well, you know, it's opensource... | 20:40 |
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| lbt | but it's not currently a configurable option | 20:40 |
| djszapi | I would not like random avatars appear as my representative. | 20:40 |
| djszapi | I do not use gravatar, and I do not plan it either .. | 20:41 |
| torarne | djszapi: i can't access the image, but i suspect it's one of the default gravatar ones | 20:42 |
| torarne | gravatar.com/site/implement/images/ | 20:42 |
| djszapi | interesting why cobs and gravatar are siamese twins. | 20:43 |
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| bef0rd | djszapi | 20:53 |
| bef0rd | qcocoaeventdispatcher.mm:693: error: ‘class QCocoaEventDispatcherPrivate’ has no member named ‘timerList’ | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, is DLNA loading the whole movie before showing it normal? | 20:54 |
| RST38h | (server: N950, client: Win7 with MediaPlayer) | 20:54 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: s/timerList/timerInfoList/g | 20:55 |
| djszapi | and make | 20:55 |
| bef0rd | in the .mm file? | 20:56 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: http://paste.xinu.at/03XC/ | 20:56 |
| bef0rd | ok | 20:56 |
| djszapi | unfortunately, I am not able to build | 20:56 |
| djszapi | so I cannot such trivial mistakes. | 20:56 |
| djszapi | catch* | 20:56 |
| bef0rd | ok its building again | 20:59 |
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| bef0rd | djszapi http://paste.kde.org/426062/ | 21:05 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: I do not see any errors here apart from the bottom which is not too talkative. You sure, you have not cropped out anything above ? | 21:06 |
| djszapi | it does not look any relevant to my patch. | 21:07 |
| bef0rd | yes there is a lot of output but no errors | 21:07 |
| bef0rd | let me try make again, I suppose it will show the error this time | 21:07 |
| djszapi | try to make a git stash | 21:08 |
| djszapi | and rebuild | 21:08 |
| djszapi | see whether the same without my patch | 21:08 |
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| bef0rd | http://paste.kde.org/426068/ | 21:09 |
| bef0rd | ok | 21:09 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: please paste more | 21:10 |
| djszapi | you have just cropped the important bits :) | 21:10 |
| bef0rd | oops already started git stash && make | 21:10 |
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| djszapi | nvm | 21:11 |
| djszapi | we will ese whether my patch causes it or now | 21:11 |
| djszapi | also, use verbose cmake | 21:11 |
| djszapi | apparently you do. | 21:11 |
| djszapi | on Linux, it is: make VERBOSE=1 | 21:11 |
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| Sazpaimon | in telepathy, how can I check the credentials of an account without actually creating one | 21:29 |
| djszapi | have you tried on #telepathy ? | 21:30 |
| Sazpaimon | no, not yet | 21:31 |
| Sazpaimon | too afraid of asking stupid questions there because I know next to nothing about their libraries | 21:31 |
| djszapi | that is why that channel exists :P | 21:31 |
| djszapi | to help others. | 21:31 |
| djszapi | and they are friendly according to my experience. | 21:32 |
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| Siosm | bef0rd: Ok, I've installed the correct libpng and now I don't have this error anymore, but I now have include errors for each example I'm trying | 21:40 |
| bef0rd | hey Siosm, please share the errors | 21:45 |
| bef0rd | on you preferred pastebin | 21:45 |
| bef0rd | djszapi , no errors compiling git stash | 21:45 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: git stash pop | 21:46 |
| djszapi | and try again | 21:46 |
| djszapi | make | tee buildlog | 21:46 |
| djszapi | or something similar to tee on mac, if any | 21:46 |
| bef0rd | tee works | 21:47 |
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| torarne | radiofree: ping | 21:53 |
| torarne | anyone know how to do a join with sparql? if a message has "urn:uuid:someid, how do i pull in the telephone number of that id? | 21:57 |
| bef0rd | djszapi seems like tee doesn't save stderr? | 21:58 |
| Siosm | bef0rd: http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/438303 there are 2 different examples with include errors. I'm using Qt 4.7.4 included with the SDK | 21:58 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: 2>&1 at the end. | 21:59 |
| djszapi | (on Linux, that is) | 21:59 |
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| radiofree | torarne: pong | 22:03 |
| radiofree | oh right, so urn:uuid:someid is a nco:PersonContact? | 22:03 |
| torarne | radiofree: its http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2007/03/22/nmo#to | 22:04 |
| torarne | and that one has http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2007/03/22/nco#hasContactMedium | 22:04 |
| torarne | and http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2007/03/22/nco#hasPhoneNumber | 22:04 |
| bef0rd | Siosm http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?199923-Nokia-Qt-SDK-missing-QT-Mobility-messaging seems like a known issue? | 22:05 |
| bef0rd | djszapi www.beford.net/random | 22:05 |
| torarne | radiofree: actually i want the http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2007/03/22/nmo#from | 22:06 |
| torarne | radiofree: how can i know the type of that uuid? | 22:06 |
| bef0rd | djszapi seems like I applied the old patch | 22:06 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: qcocoaeventdispatcher.mm:693: error: ‘class QCocoaEventDispatcherPrivate’ has no member named ‘timerList’ | 22:06 |
| bef0rd | let me fix that | 22:06 |
| bef0rd | yea | 22:06 |
| djszapi | yes | 22:06 |
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| djszapi | bef0rd: do not apply anything | 22:07 |
| djszapi | I will send you an updated patch | 22:07 |
| djszapi | so it is better to test my patch directly. | 22:07 |
| bef0rd | ok | 22:07 |
| bef0rd | git stash again? | 22:07 |
| djszapi | to make sure there is no error in the transfer process | 22:07 |
| djszapi | git reset --hard HEAD | 22:07 |
| bef0rd | done | 22:08 |
| Siosm | bef0rd: I found this thread before but ignored it as those are for maemo but maybe it's the same problem. Are you able, using the QtSDK to run applications/demo on your desktiop ? I'm begining to wonder if it is even possible... | 22:08 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: http://paste.xinu.at/EDZP/ | 22:08 |
| radiofree | torarne: something like select ?phoneNumber { <foo> a something; nco:hasContactMedium ?medium. ?medium nco:hasPhoneNumber ?phone | 22:09 |
| radiofree | are you trying to select who a sms was sent to based on the sms id? | 22:09 |
| bef0rd | Siosm I suppose it depends on what kind of app, I have never used qtmobility myself, but simple qml apps work ok | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone know which camera-related components are kernel-dependent? | 22:10 |
| torarne | radiofree: yeah, or i was hoping to use a join, so select ?u ?ptc { ?u a nmo:SMSMessage; nie:plainTextContent ?ptc }" | 22:10 |
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| torarne | radiofree: and add ?tlf, and somehow get it for each message row | 22:11 |
| Siosm | bef0rd: Is there any chance that by using scratchbox I could be able to solve this problem ? | 22:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rx71-camera-fw, camera-ui, libomap3camd, and a bunch of gstreamer stuff didn't do it | 22:11 |
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| sigmaorion | hi there... is there an easy way to use the vibrator of the phone on qml? | 22:12 |
| sigmaorion | I can't seem to find a way, there's not that much information about it | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: you probably have to call out to c++ code | 22:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you might need to assert some aegis privileges | 22:12 |
| torarne | radiofree: so map from the messages nmo#from, to that uuid, and then to the nco#hasPhoneNumber, so i would get out 123, some text, +01124123413 | 22:12 |
| bef0rd | Siosm I really dont know sorry :/ | 22:13 |
| torarne | radiofree: i find sparql very confusing :) thanks for helping me out | 22:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia calls it "vibra", so there's your keyword | 22:13 |
| Siosm | bef0rd: Thanks for all the answer, I'll keep trying | 22:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/feedback.html | 22:13 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, can you point me to some documentation or examples? | 22:13 |
| sigmaorion | oh, just on time, hehe! | 22:13 |
| sigmaorion | thanks a lot! | 22:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, there's a qml plugin for it too (see the very end) | 22:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though it might be a good idea to keep the real stuff out of QML anyway | 22:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pure qml apps = bad idea | 22:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact the harmattan dev guide specifically advises against that sort of thing because it's slow | 22:14 |
| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, yeap, I guess, but it's easy and quick! | 22:14 |
| radiofree | torarne: you can just do select ?u ?ptc ?phone { ?u a nmo:SMSMessage; nie:plainTextContent ?ptc; nmo:to ?to. ?to nco:hasPhoneNumber ?hasPhone. ?hasPhone | 22:14 |
| radiofree | nco:phoneNumber ?phone } | 22:14 |
| sigmaorion | by quick I mean, fast development | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right | 22:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm guessing no one can answer my camera question...it is exceedingly weird | 22:15 |
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| sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, what in the earth mean this?? "Envelope - Value specifying that the device can bound its intensity by an Envelope." | 22:16 |
| bef0rd | itsnotabigtruck, not sure if related to your new question but I got that camera is not responding error from camera-ui some days ago, I thought it was because I was testing the qmlcamera example earlier that day. | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: read the top of feedback.html | 22:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | bef0rd: it's caused by running camera binaries that are mismatched to a kernel | 22:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | normally | 22:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | your occurrence might have been something different | 22:18 |
| torarne | radiofree: sweet! thanks! :D | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm trying to figure out what counts as a "camera binary" | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSR_envelope#ADSR_envelope here's what the wiki has to say about envelopes | 22:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's basically the contour of the vibra event | 22:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 22:20 |
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| bef0rd | djszapi www.beford.net/random | 22:28 |
| radiofree | torarne: if you wanted to do something crazy like list all sms messages, and print who it was either from or two you could do something like : http://fpaste.org/5rod/ | 22:28 |
| torarne | radiofree: so that query limits the list to the messages that have a to-phonenumber, which excludes every incoming message, since the to-contact is telepathy:/org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Account/ring/tel/ring | 22:29 |
| torarne | radiofree: is there any way to query it so that in those cases the row is shown, but the phone number is empty? | 22:29 |
| torarne | radiofree: oh, wow, nice query | 22:29 |
| radiofree | torarne: you can use optional as in the query | 22:30 |
| torarne | radiofree: aaah, but the one you pasted is perfect! :D | 22:30 |
| torarne | radiofree: thanks! i think i'm starting to understand the syntax now | 22:30 |
| djszapi | bef0rd: sorry, but I need to leave. | 22:31 |
| radiofree | with tracker:coalesce() you can also tell it what to do as an alternative, e.g tracker:coalesce(?phoneFrom, ?phoneTo, 'magic message, no source!') | 22:31 |
| torarne | radiofree: nice! | 22:32 |
| radiofree | so if there's no ?phoneFrom or ?phoneTo, you'll get "magic message" back :) | 22:32 |
| torarne | :D | 22:32 |
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| radiofree | it's useful for when you want to read all information about something, but you can guarantee that all that information will be there (e.g contact information) | 22:32 |
| torarne | radiofree: aha! select ?u ?ptc tracker:coalesce(?phoneFrom, 'me') tracker:coalesce(?phoneTo, 'me') | 22:35 |
| radiofree | nicer :) | 22:36 |
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| blueslee | is there any documentation out there about cli dbus commands on the n9 like phone control wiki on the n900? | 23:11 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | is it just me or do the 6char passwords generated by the sdk connectivity tool not seem very random | 23:17 |
| blueslee | itsnotabigtruck: i observed the same ... blocks of 3-3 where the blocks are in a neighborhood | 23:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | blueslee: hmm | 23:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | on one hand humans tend to be bad judges of randomness, but on the other hand i think i got a password just now that it used before | 23:31 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | might it be possible to convince the TMO admins to divide N900 and N9 apps into separate forums? | 23:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or there at least needs to be e.g. [M5] / [HARM] or whatever tags on every app thread | 23:34 |
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| beford | :/ rejected again | 23:38 |
| beford | anyone running 1.0 wants to help me test something? | 23:38 |
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