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| djszapi | lol, the FingerDrums app is incredibly in Ovi ! | 00:16 |
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| djszapi | incredibly awesome* | 00:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | where does angry birds store its saves? | 04:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apparently it's /var/opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic | 04:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird | 04:44 |
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| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, that implies rovio planned to bring the various other angry birds versions to harmattan | 05:54 |
| Sazpaimon | or perhaps angry birds space | 05:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: or maybe it's just because they call it that on all platforms | 05:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and there's also angrybirdsfreemagic | 05:55 |
| Sazpaimon | well there's always that | 05:56 |
| Sazpaimon | but rovio has been known to have a lot of love for nokia | 05:56 |
| djszapi | they just try to port AB to anyway | 05:57 |
| djszapi | anywhere* | 05:57 |
| Sazpaimon | still no windows mobile 6 port | 05:58 |
| djszapi | well they focused on other windows variants | 05:59 |
| djszapi | they had the initial release a bit more than one year ago when I attended to their talk at a conference. | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | wasnt the second platform AB was ported too maemo | 05:59 |
| Sazpaimon | behind iOS | 05:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it was | 06:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | probably scandinavian loyalty, lol | 06:00 |
| Sazpaimon | probably since rovio is finnish a few developers had N900s | 06:01 |
| * djszapi dislikes Rovio altogether | 06:01 | |
| Sazpaimon | also, regarding that steam chat plugin | 06:02 |
| Sazpaimon | someone has apparently been writing a libpurple plugin for it | 06:02 |
| Sazpaimon | so, to avoid re-inventing the wheel, I'll go ahead and use that code | 06:02 |
| Sazpaimon | it needs libjson-glib though, so I guess I have to package that in the deb | 06:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it functioning yet? | 06:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also this is the point where it makes sense to package things properly instead of ovistorifying everything | 06:05 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah it looks like it has everything working | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | it comes without any sort of makefile or build instructions | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | so I need to write my own | 06:06 |
| djszapi | should not be a big deal to put the dynamic library into the package. | 06:06 |
| Sazpaimon | maemo alredy has libjson-glib, which is nice | 06:06 |
| djszapi | sort of... maemo (fremantle) packages are normally garbage anyway | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | its in extras so I assume it's useful | 06:07 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway I'll worry about that later | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway I'll worry about that later | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | damn up key | 06:08 |
| Sazpaimon | i just wanna get this thing to build first | 06:09 |
| djszapi | well | 06:09 |
| djszapi | we almost have not used any packages from extra | 06:09 |
| djszapi | for building the community repository. | 06:09 |
| djszapi | it just ... did not make too much sense | 06:09 |
| Sazpaimon | also, does anyone have libpurple and its dev nicely packaged up | 06:09 |
| djszapi | check the repositories ? | 06:10 |
| djszapi | but the answer is "no". You are welcome to contribute back. | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought telepathy-haze and libpurple are indeed packaging | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *packaged | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i could swear i saw them somewhere | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | well libpurple itself isn't enough, I'd need the development headers as well | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | its ok, though | 06:11 |
| Sazpaimon | it looks like I need to build this plugin in-tree anyway | 06:12 |
| djszapi | telepathy-haze is packaged only in the community repository. | 06:12 |
| djszapi | and I think I did it. | 06:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, i had the rzr repo added at some point, that must have been it | 06:12 |
| Sazpaimon | haze also exists in the extraplugins deb | 06:12 |
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| Sazpaimon | bundled, of course, along with libpurple | 06:12 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | that package is a mess | 06:13 |
| djszapi | if libpurple is available, the development is also available anyway | 06:13 |
| djszapi | it is not like that you drop the development version for fun really :) | 06:13 |
| djszapi | this is a very fundamental packaging principle :) | 06:13 |
| djszapi | since they build in ... the same process. | 06:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw has anyone tried lpsmagic on 1.2 | 06:13 |
| Sazpaimon | ive seen some people get lazy and just package the libraries because they only care about end-users | 06:13 |
| djszapi | nope, it is too cluttered to my taste. | 06:14 |
| Sazpaimon | or i should say, upload the libraries | 06:14 |
| djszapi | no | 06:14 |
| djszapi | it does not work that way. | 06:14 |
| djszapi | when you adopt a debian package /everything/ builds. | 06:14 |
| Sazpaimon | yes I know | 06:14 |
| djszapi | and when you published it to obs, it obviously build everything as well | 06:14 |
| djszapi | so there are no such worries you have just mentioned. | 06:14 |
| djszapi | and even if someone reinvent the wheel, a monolithic package will contain everything anyway | 06:15 |
| djszapi | if they do not have install file, and that is usually the case for reinventors. | 06:15 |
| djszapi | but you are welcome to contribute back to the community with the missing package ;-) | 06:18 |
| djszapi | if your package is ready you can put it for review into the community repository, and me or rzr can integrate it. | 06:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hm, anyone had drive stall at launch before? | 06:37 |
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| djszapi | that exceptionally works for me ;-) | 06:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's good to see nokia maps/drive is about as rock solid as it was on symbian >_> | 06:38 |
| djszapi | well I had not any problems so far. | 06:39 |
| djszapi | I used maps a lot though. | 06:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the weird thing, maps is fine | 06:39 |
| djszapi | Although I would nowadays use Marble for maps anyway | 06:39 |
| djszapi | open stree map ftw | 06:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it seems that obliterating the eMMC worked | 06:49 |
| djszapi | *nods* | 06:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, at least maps/drive can't routinely crash the phone like it does on e71 | 06:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the symbian version also sometimes decides it doesn't feel like exiting, ever | 06:52 |
| * djszapi does not have too much interest in Symbian | 06:57 | |
| Sazpaimon | so, I need to apparently add steam as a protocol to haze | 07:04 |
| Sazpaimon | how would I handle this if I wanted to submit this to the community repository | 07:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: well, write an account-plugin-steam | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and build a package for the libpurple steam plugin | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and packages for its dependencies | 07:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then the account-plugin-steam depends on telepathy-haze and the steam libpurple plugin | 07:07 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, I mean haze needs to have steam added as a protocol for it | 07:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, like it has to be rebuilt? | 07:07 |
| Sazpaimon | since apparently protocols are hardcoded in haze | 07:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's lame | 07:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right...then things are a bit problematic | 07:08 |
| Sazpaimon | there's a static const called KnownProtocolInfo | 07:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess have a telepathy-haze-sazpaimon | 07:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that Provides: telepathy-haze Conflicts: telepathy-haze Replaces: telepathy-haze | 07:08 |
| Sazpaimon | gross | 07:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alternatively consider porting the pidgin thing directly to telepathy, heh | 07:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey, if it works it works :p | 07:09 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah which would involve gutting the entire plugin of pidgin utilities | 07:09 |
| Sazpaimon | and rewriting it from scratch, or replacing it with QT utilities | 07:09 |
| Sazpaimon | and I know absolutely nothing about telepathy in general, let alone telepathy-qt4 | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, depends on how it's structured | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i guess you've read through the source | 07:11 |
| Sazpaimon | I have | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok | 07:11 |
| Sazpaimon | it uses purple utilities all over the place | 07:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well the provides/conflicts/replaces seems like perhaps the best bet | 07:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also extraplugins probably needs to be made Conflicts: telepathy-haze | 07:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or same thing in reverse from telepathy-haze's side | 07:14 |
| Sazpaimon | I think it already does | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | are you sure? | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | most people don't think about things like conflicts dependencies | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon | Provides: libpurple0, telepathy-haze | 07:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok | 07:15 |
| Sazpaimon | but it isnt very smart about how it packages purple/haze libraries | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | it puts them directly in /usr/lib | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i think the p/c/r on telepathy-haze-steam or whatever would be enough | 07:16 |
| Sazpaimon | whereas if it were smart it would put it in a subdir in /usr/lib | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, since it declares provides: libpidgin0 that's what it's supposed to do | 07:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since anything depending on libpidgin0 could pick up stuff from extraplugins | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | i think it would be better, from a store perspective, if it put those libraries in a subdir and LD_PRELOAD_PATH it | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also since it installs a telepathy cm it has to be global anyway | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not like it can just be a standalone thing that loads some libs | 07:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and you couldn't set ld_library_path on the telepathy daemon | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | hm | 07:17 |
| Sazpaimon | well this begs the question on how I would package libpurple on this | 07:18 |
| Sazpaimon | if extraplugins is already installed, it will conflict it | 07:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that seems like an acceptable loss | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon | if I make the package replace haze/libpurple, it will uninstall extraplugins | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually i think pkgmgr will just balk | 07:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since it replaces haze, not extraplugins | 07:19 |
| Sazpaimon | which provides haze | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, whoops | 07:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | forgot that replacing a virtual package replaces the packages that provide it | 07:20 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant think of a way these two can coexist | 07:20 |
| flat` | http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/asus-g73sw-173-fhd_i7-2630qm_8gb_500gb/209920057 | 07:22 |
| Sazpaimon | flat`, good laptop | 07:23 |
| Sazpaimon | i reccomend it | 07:23 |
| Sazpaimon | my friend has that same one | 07:23 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, any ideas on how to make these coexist? | 07:26 |
| Sazpaimon | im kind of stumped | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: don't | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, hm | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is why ovifying packages sucks | 07:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the p-c-r would simply replace telepathy-haze and extraplugins would keep working | 07:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except since extraplugins contains telepathy-haze that's a no go | 07:27 |
| Sazpaimon | hm | 07:30 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe I can do some hackery with rpath | 07:31 |
| djszapi | good luck with rpath ... | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, what do you suggest, then? | 07:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | keep in mind that you can't install two different telepathy-hazes at the same time | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean is there any reason why my haze library cannot be in its own directory | 07:33 |
| Sazpaimon | for ovi purposes | 07:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how about a diversion? oh wait, a certain individual's favorite security platform blocks it | 07:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also Sazpaimon: probably, but what i'm worried about is that you can probably only have one cm called haze | 07:38 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon | i'll probably have to do something like, name the haze library something completely different | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon | like haze-steam | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon | same for the filenames for it | 07:41 |
| Sazpaimon | and for ovi, don't add any provides/replaces line | 07:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't you just conflict with extraplugins and be done with it :/ | 07:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not your problem that some other package is half-baked | 07:43 |
| Sazpaimon | no because I use extraplugins myself :( | 07:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the map downloader in nokia maps is being highly uncooperative :( | 07:44 |
| djszapi | works for me | 07:44 |
| djszapi | but as I said, why maps instead of marble ? | 07:44 |
| Sazpaimon | i'll just modify this haze package to name itself something else | 07:44 |
| Sazpaimon | whenever I hear marble, I think of marbles on fremantle | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon | fun game, that | 07:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because maps is shiny and built-in and has quality map data | 07:45 |
| djszapi | hahahaha | 07:45 |
| djszapi | why do you complain if shiny ? | 07:45 |
| djszapi | sounds like a contradiction... | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon | also marble needs public transit support | 07:45 |
| Sazpaimon | since its open source it can just use GTFS data | 07:46 |
| Sazpaimon | it doesnt have any licensing conflicts like nokia does | 07:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | "shiny" doesn't mean 100% functional... | 07:46 |
| djszapi | quality map data ... | 07:46 |
| Sazpaimon | also 3D buildings | 07:47 |
| djszapi | it did not even contain the street I looked for in Belgium | 07:47 |
| Sazpaimon | 3D | 07:47 |
| djszapi | that is all about quality map data. | 07:47 |
| Sazpaimon | buildings | 07:47 |
| djszapi | who cares about shiny if it does not work ... | 07:47 |
| Sazpaimon | did I mention 3D buildings? because 3D buildings | 07:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 07:47 |
| djszapi | like packing up the shit :D | 07:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i found a direct download | 07:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia's pushed all sorts of downloader programs for map files at various points and none of them have ever worked | 07:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fortunately they just download zip files and dump them | 07:48 |
| djszapi | it works for me. | 07:49 |
| djszapi | never had any issues though apart from the 3g limitation. | 07:49 |
| djszapi | in any case, open stuff ftw, so I go for marble personally. | 07:50 |
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| Sazpaimon | herm | 08:37 |
| Sazpaimon | thats strange | 08:37 |
| Sazpaimon | i took libpurple from rzr's repository, but that has a dependency on xmlSAXUserParseMemory@LIBXML2_2.4.30 | 08:38 |
| Sazpaimon | libxml2 on harmattan is 2.7.8 | 08:38 |
| Sazpaimon | Im not quite sure how this was built | 08:39 |
| djszapi | well normally programs accepts expat too | 08:39 |
| djszapi | moreover, we had our own libxml2 previously. | 08:39 |
| djszapi | accept* | 08:39 |
| Sazpaimon | well, needless to say this libpurple will not work | 08:40 |
| djszapi | needless to explain to you why is like that ? | 08:40 |
| djszapi | ok well, then I stop helping :) | 08:40 |
| djszapi | also, of course if you find any mistake, contribute back. | 08:40 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont get why it doesnt work because it was built from obs | 08:41 |
| djszapi | I told you. | 08:41 |
| Sazpaimon | well I dont really know how obs works | 08:42 |
| Sazpaimon | i havent used it before, I only really do light development for my own personal use | 08:42 |
| djszapi | I wonder how one would use the same image with and without a toolbar. | 08:43 |
| djszapi | it seems it gets uncool in Tiled mode :/ | 08:43 |
| djszapi | http://minus.com/muSfN6POh#1 -> top right corner, gray line :/ | 08:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: that wasn't exactly help | 08:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i like the rearranged layout | 08:46 |
| djszapi | thp: you pushed the pidign :) | 08:46 |
| Sazpaimon | so, with this libxml issue, does OBS have the right libxml2 now? | 08:47 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it indeed was | 08:47 |
| Sazpaimon | as in, if it was pushed to build again, will it compile with the right library? | 08:47 |
| djszapi | if you do not understand why I think you need to learn obs | 08:47 |
| djszapi | not help is something, like "you have to use === even if it is broken"., | 08:49 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: no clue | 08:49 |
| djszapi | but we do not apparently have slot for rebuilding it. | 08:49 |
| Sazpaimon | well for now I'll just build a package for it locally | 08:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: grabbing a source deb and doing a local build might do the trick | 08:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 08:50 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: actually you do not need | 08:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | be advised that the libxml2 in scratchbox is mismatched to the libxml2 in pr1.1 | 08:50 |
| djszapi | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libxml2 -> debian has it | 08:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a couple people had problems with that | 08:50 |
| djszapi | so it should work | 08:50 |
| djszapi | somethingon your side. | 08:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so do a local build of libxml2 from sdk_sources_pr1.1.iso too | 08:50 |
| Sazpaimon | wait what | 08:50 |
| Sazpaimon | i thought scratchbox only has PR1.0 files | 08:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | more or less | 08:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually on second thought i think the problem was that the -dev and regular packages were mismatched | 08:51 |
| Sazpaimon | i mean, it should, since nokia wants all develpers to target PR1.0 | 08:51 |
| Sazpaimon | nothing more, nothing less | 08:51 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: sadly not true | 08:52 |
| djszapi | qt gets updated etc. | 08:52 |
| Sazpaimon | qt on my scratchbox is still PR1.0 | 08:52 |
| djszapi | it might be that because I use snapshot versions. | 08:52 |
| djszapi | but in any case | 08:53 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, libxml2 and libxml2-dev are both at 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6 according to dpkg | 08:53 |
| djszapi | platform changes, otherwise there would be no releases. | 08:53 |
| djszapi | and you can update the stuff I guess to test with the new versions. | 08:53 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: rearranged layout was not exactly the question :D | 08:55 |
| djszapi | the problem is that the gray line gets broken, but I am not sure how to fix that on the designer side. | 08:55 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, also the fact that you can see the edge of the chalkboard | 08:57 |
| djszapi | Does anybody know the icon location of the "information" icon with an 'i' letter inside ? You can find it for instance in front of the "Flight mode" switch in the settings. I have one in blue, but it would be use the platform icon directly designed for it. | 08:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: how about poking around in the duicontrolpanel stuff | 08:58 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: what do you mean ? bottom right ? Well, that is not fill mode related. | 08:59 |
| * itsnotabigtruck needs teh sleep | 08:59 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | night | 08:59 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: no clue what you mean exactly :D | 08:59 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: if you mean that, that is a designer issue in general. | 08:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: duicontrolpanel = the settings app | 08:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | there has to be a reference somewhere in the source, 'strings' output, etc. | 09:00 |
| djszapi | mmh, apparently no, that is also fill mode related. | 09:00 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: yes I know that, but I had the impression you have a command for this :P | 09:00 |
| djszapi | or some automated stuff. | 09:01 |
| djszapi | I mean I would not like to browse its code. | 09:01 |
| Sazpaimon | on an unrelated note, I took my girlfriend to build-a-bear and got her a stuffed toy. I think I've done my good deed for the year | 09:01 |
| Sazpaimon | i dont get why girls never grow out of the stuffed animal phase | 09:02 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: the problem is that for some reason, TileVertically did not fix the designer issue | 09:03 |
| djszapi | the gray line breakage and the edge are probably because it is tiling horizontally. | 09:03 |
| djszapi | probably the best fix if the designer sends a proper background image, and I just preserve the aspect fit. He could refactor the current background to a bit smaller, subtracting the toolbar precisely. | 09:04 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: some gros out :) | 09:14 |
| djszapi | grow* | 09:14 |
| djszapi | some are not born with it either :) | 09:14 |
| Sazpaimon | most women i've dated have a shockingly large supply of stuffed animales | 09:14 |
| Sazpaimon | *animals | 09:14 |
| djszapi | also, for rebuilding: osc is better than sb | 09:15 |
| djszapi | since sb is not the same as obs | 09:15 |
| Sazpaimon | im so used to scratchbox | 09:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i can't not use it at this point | 09:15 |
| djszapi | because even if it is builds in sb | 09:16 |
| djszapi | it might not mean too much | 09:16 |
| djszapi | obs is just distinct ;) | 09:16 |
| Sazpaimon | I just want to get a libpurple that works | 09:17 |
| djszapi | that is a clear line...but you apparently need to debug it ... | 09:18 |
| Sazpaimon | what do you mean? | 09:18 |
| djszapi | it does not work, so you need to get it work, right ? | 09:22 |
| djszapi | so you need to debug it ... | 09:22 |
| djszapi | so you need to replicate obs.. | 09:22 |
| djszapi | or you do not wanna fix it for others as well ? | 09:23 |
| djszapi | always just on your pc ? | 09:23 |
| Sazpaimon | the problem is the OBS is using the wrong libxml2 to build this. I don't really want to try and figure out how OBS works right now | 09:24 |
| djszapi | so you do not wanna help with fixing it for others, just for yourself. | 09:25 |
| Sazpaimon | I would like to get it working for myself first | 09:25 |
| djszapi | you duplicate effort this way | 09:26 |
| djszapi | but if you have time, it is all fine :) | 09:26 |
| Sazpaimon | I could spend countless hours figuring out the OBS system, or I could get something that works on my device right now | 09:26 |
| Sazpaimon | then push what I have to nokia, then I can spend that time figuring out OBS | 09:27 |
| djszapi | the problem is that this mentality goes normally nowhere | 09:27 |
| djszapi | this mentality never ends up fixing it for others. | 09:27 |
| djszapi | once the dev got it working, he does not care about others :( | 09:27 |
| djszapi | (that is probably the reason why it is broken for you btw) | 09:28 |
| Sazpaimon | or i could let rzr know of the issue when he comes around, since its in his repository | 09:29 |
| djszapi | nope | 09:29 |
| djszapi | it is not a personal repository | 09:29 |
| djszapi | it is a community repository. | 09:30 |
| djszapi | andhe has enough to do ... | 09:30 |
| djszapi | he will not fix a problem he does not probably care about. | 09:30 |
| Sazpaimon | so would I be able to overwrite his stuff in home:rzr? | 09:30 |
| djszapi | no | 09:30 |
| djszapi | otherwise anybody could modify the community repository. | 09:30 |
| djszapi | but you can put the stuff for review. | 09:30 |
| djszapi | just as normal you know :) | 09:31 |
| Sazpaimon | I mean all the package needs is just a simple rebuild I think | 09:31 |
| djszapi | then test it out. | 09:31 |
| Sazpaimon | I'll look into it later today, I just want to get something that works now | 09:31 |
| djszapi | "osc" is the way as I said. | 09:31 |
| djszapi | you will never look into this later, but nvm :D | 09:32 |
| Sazpaimon | don't be such a negative nancy | 09:33 |
| djszapi | Well, that is what normally happens anyway | 09:34 |
| djszapi | you can ignore the facts, but this is not the way of contributing back imo usually. | 09:34 |
| djszapi | there is even a company who told that they contribute back, but they are doing their custom way as well ... so sad to see this ... | 09:37 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, I cant really use osc now without an obs account can I/ | 09:45 |
| djszapi | no clue about that | 09:46 |
| djszapi | check outthe wikipage. | 09:46 |
| djszapi | but you do not have c-obs account yet ? :/ | 09:46 |
| Sazpaimon | no because 1. This is my first actual project for release on harmattan and 2. I use scratchbox almost exclusively | 09:47 |
| djszapi | 2. does not make sense if you wanna deal with packages and community | 09:48 |
| djszapi | 1. I see ... | 09:48 |
| djszapi | 1. Though I thought you had some work already since you have been around for a while with questions. | 09:49 |
| Sazpaimon | ive been around for some time but I haven't had any real projects that interested me | 09:49 |
| Sazpaimon | plus I've never really dove in to Qt/QML development | 09:49 |
| djszapi | check out the wiki page then whethere it is possible with some anonymous account | 09:50 |
| Sazpaimon | I dont think so, the wiki page says to have an obs account | 09:51 |
| djszapi | you cannot really contribute back then without an account ;) | 09:51 |
| Sazpaimon | which means I need to wait for lbt or X-Fade to come around | 09:52 |
| djszapi | yes no other way around | 09:53 |
| Sazpaimon | which i assume is what stops a lot of people from contributing back | 09:53 |
| djszapi | well, asking an account is not really a big burden | 09:53 |
| djszapi | if that stops someone from contributing in the long run, we do not need such people :) | 09:54 |
| djszapi | because they would escape at the first issue. | 09:54 |
| Sazpaimon | so scratchbox it is, then | 10:00 |
| djszapi | yeah | 10:00 |
| Sazpaimon | I can probably get used to osc, it looks lik it sets up a regular chroot environment just like scratchbox anyway | 10:01 |
| Sazpaimon | and if i build locally, it's pretty much the same thing | 10:01 |
| Sazpaimon | but I guess you're supposed to use the webbuilder with osc | 10:01 |
| thp | djszapi: huh? | 10:03 |
| djszapi | thp: well there was a "thp" guy requesting pidgin | 10:03 |
| djszapi | read the context around when I highlighted you ... | 10:03 |
| thp | can't really find it in my scrollback.. but anyway.. if anybody wants libpurple libs, they are readily available from the obs | 10:05 |
| thp | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Athp%3Aprotolol | 10:06 |
| thp | this includes telepathy-haze, which provides libpurple <-> telepathy connectivity | 10:07 |
| Sazpaimon | thp, thanks | 10:08 |
| Sazpaimon | i was using the ones from rzr which were built around the wrong libxml2 | 10:08 |
| djszapi | thp: log ftw http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-02-19T08:46:56 | 10:08 |
| Sazpaimon | i assume yours dont have that issue? | 10:09 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: It is unlike | 10:09 |
| djszapi | his repository has two packages. | 10:09 |
| djszapi | so he probably also uses what the rzr repository. | 10:09 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah this one is fine | 10:11 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: see ? That is what I mentioned previously. | 10:12 |
| djszapi | it works somewhere else, but not contributed properly back to the community repository. | 10:12 |
| thp | djszapi: well, yeah - i have that in my statement, but can't find anyone around that line that's only remotely named like "thp" ;) | 10:12 |
| djszapi | this is yet another good example. | 10:12 |
| thp | s/statement/scrollback/ | 10:13 |
| infobot | thp meant: djszapi: well, yeah - i have that in my scrollback, but can't find anyone around that line that's only remotely named like "thp" ;) | 10:13 |
| djszapi | thp: why would you find ? | 10:13 |
| djszapi | you was not here, but your package was discussed | 10:13 |
| djszapi | it is broken in the community repository | 10:13 |
| djszapi | so please try to fix it it, otherwise I will need to drop it. | 10:13 |
| thp | oh, so you did talk to me there.. | 10:14 |
| thp | what's broken? | 10:14 |
| djszapi | definiteily, do oyu have time to fix this package for others in the community repository or shall I delete it ? | 10:14 |
| Sazpaimon | thp, in the community repository, pidgin is built against libxml2 2.4.30 | 10:15 |
| Sazpaimon | this leads to broken symbols on harmattan | 10:15 |
| thp | so what's the libxml2 version that's available? | 10:16 |
| thp | some log output or something would be great | 10:16 |
| djszapi | thp: see the context around, 2.8.7 was posted | 10:16 |
| djszapi | but you can probably check the build what it found | 10:17 |
| thp | link to the build log? | 10:17 |
| djszapi | well, it is the same work for me to go to the c-obs build log ... | 10:17 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=pidgin&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 10:18 |
| djszapi | you are welcome :) | 10:18 |
| djszapi | no version mentioned about finding. | 10:20 |
| djszapi | sodouble check the control file entry. | 10:20 |
| thp | did i request the push to home:rzr? | 10:20 |
| djszapi | something...yes | 10:20 |
| thp | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/requests?package=telepathy-haze&project=home%3Athp%3Aprotolol says rzr requested it and i accepted it | 10:20 |
| thp | in that case, if it's broken, just get it out of the repo there | 10:21 |
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| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/3784 | 10:22 |
| djszapi | source: home:thp:protolol / pidgin | 10:22 |
| djszapi | target: home:rzr:harmattan / pidgin | 10:22 |
| thp | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/requests?project=home%3Athp%3Aprotolol | 10:23 |
| djszapi | so he requested you ? | 10:23 |
| thp | requests in state: (select accepted) | 10:23 |
| thp | then you'll see in the column "requester" who requested what | 10:23 |
| djszapi | in any case, can you contribute back to the community with this or just let people not be able to use it from the community repository, like Sazpaimon ? | 10:23 |
| thp | i don't stop anyone from using or modifying it | 10:24 |
| djszapi | but it is not working in the community repository. | 10:24 |
| thp | then fix it or remove it? | 10:24 |
| djszapi | right, so you have experience with this, but you do not wanna push it to others ? | 10:25 |
| * djszapi is removing | 10:25 | |
| thp | i basically pulled the source packages from debian | 10:25 |
| djszapi | history | 10:26 |
| thp | and put them on the obs | 10:26 |
| djszapi | that is not the question | 10:26 |
| djszapi | I am a bit sad, you do not wanna, for some reason, help others with this if you once got it working. | 10:26 |
| thp | at that time (7 weeks ago) it worked fine on a then-updated harmattan device | 10:26 |
| djszapi | but it is jusy maybe me having a different mindset | 10:26 |
| djszapi | anyway, it is deleted and no pidgin for now. | 10:27 |
| thp | i can help people if they have questions, i won't be allocating time to work on this just because you are asking | 10:27 |
| djszapi | that is a sad approach. | 10:27 |
| thp | packaging something once isn't a commitment for life to maintain it | 10:27 |
| djszapi | it was 7 weeks ago | 10:28 |
| djszapi | not 50 years ago. | 10:28 |
| djszapi | but anyway, whatever fits you. I have a bit distinct mindset for sure. | 10:28 |
| thp | s/for life/for 7 weeks/ | 10:28 |
| infobot | thp meant: packaging something once isn't a commitment for 7 weeks to maintain it | 10:28 |
| djszapi | that is not really a community friendly approach | 10:29 |
| djszapi | but as you feel, really. | 10:29 |
| djszapi | I do not need piding anyways :) | 10:29 |
| djszapi | pidgin* | 10:29 |
| djszapi | I am just trying to help others here ... | 10:29 |
| thp | i'm not even sure why it breaks in the community repos - it doesn't break on harmattan itself | 10:29 |
| djszapi | it does break on Harmattan | 10:30 |
| djszapi | and it does not break on community repository. | 10:30 |
| djszapi | it is just that it is brokenly built. | 10:30 |
| thp | explain "brokenly built"? | 10:30 |
| djszapi | wedid that more times. | 10:31 |
| djszapi | please read the backlog. | 10:31 |
| thp | so why does the community repo (home:rzr:harmattan) have a different version of libxml2 than the one that's in harmattan? | 10:33 |
| djszapi | it does not. | 10:33 |
| thp | home:rzr:harmattan has: libxml2_2.7.8.dfsg-4 / harmattan has: 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6 | 10:34 |
| djszapi | bah | 10:35 |
| djszapi | I nuked it, already several months ago ... | 10:35 |
| djszapi | why is that back again, rzr ? | 10:35 |
| djszapi | thp: though, that is probably not the problem | 10:35 |
| djszapi | since they are the same versions | 10:35 |
| djszapi | "same". | 10:35 |
| djszapi | I think the problem was with some distinct version | 10:35 |
| djszapi | the problem is that if I nuke libxml2 again, most part of the repository gets rebuilt, but still the best to do imo. | 10:36 |
| djszapi | history. | 10:36 |
| Sazpaimon | so where did libxml2 2.4.30 come from again? | 10:36 |
| Sazpaimon | i cant remember | 10:36 |
| thp | the repo page says: "PLEASE do *NOT* add any packages that are already available in the Nokia repositories! This is also very IMPORTANT because it will just cause troubles later that are hard to be caught and addressed." | 10:36 |
| djszapi | and now 400 packages rebuilt :) | 10:37 |
| djszapi | thp: yes, I wrote that :P | 10:37 |
| thp | ;) | 10:37 |
| djszapi | after I spent a weekend with cleanup last time :P | 10:37 |
| djszapi | we should have some automated script to check this. | 10:37 |
| djszapi | some validation while uploading. | 10:37 |
| djszapi | it is not the current problem though | 10:38 |
| djszapi | we never had 2.4.30 iirc | 10:38 |
| thp | djszapi: it builds fine in my home:thp:protolol repo against harmattan | 10:38 |
| Sazpaimon | so why was libpurple trying to get xmlSAXUserParseMemory@LIBXML2_2.4.30 | 10:38 |
| djszapi | so good luck with rebuilding the packages c-obs for today ;) | 10:39 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: no real clue, apparently the log either. | 10:39 |
| thp | Sazpaimon: could be (although that's only a guess) that this symbol was introduced in 2.4.30? | 10:40 |
| Sazpaimon | or its possible that libxml2_2.7.8.dfsg-4 implements those symbols | 10:40 |
| Sazpaimon | for backwards compatability | 10:40 |
| Sazpaimon | whereas 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6 does not do that | 10:41 |
| djszapi | who wanna write an automated validator for good ? :) | 10:41 |
| thp | djszapi: so my suggestion is that after the cobs rebuilt everything, you could try to re-import pidgin from my repo and it should build fine - if not, there might be another conflicting package in there | 10:41 |
| djszapi | thp: no thanks. | 10:42 |
| djszapi | we do not break again | 10:42 |
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| djszapi | if it ever gets accepted by me, that is after a successful local osc build. | 10:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey :) | 10:42 |
| Sazpaimon | maemo@maemo-desktop:~$ readelf -sd /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8 |grep xmlSAXUserParseMemory | 10:43 |
| Sazpaimon | 837: 0003e2d0 223 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT 12 xmlSAXUserParseMemory@@LIBXML2_2.4.30 | 10:43 |
| Sazpaimon | yep | 10:43 |
| Sazpaimon | 2.7.8.dfsg-4ubuntu0.1 has that symbol | 10:43 |
| Sazpaimon | 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6 only has xmlSAXUserParseMemory | 10:43 |
| thp | djszapi: also ok. the community can always get working pidgin packages from the home:thp:protolol repo | 10:43 |
| djszapi | be aware with "always" :) | 10:43 |
| djszapi | if someone pushes it for review, I will ask for local osc build log. | 10:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, news: irc-chatter master can connect to multiple servers :) | 10:44 |
| Sazpaimon | so yeah, nuking thelibxml2_2.7.8.dfsg-4 from the community repository, and rebuilding everything that needs it will fix the issue | 10:44 |
| djszapi | and a prove for that. | 10:44 |
| djszapi | -> local osc build. | 10:44 |
| djszapi | since we do not have proper CI | 10:45 |
| Sazpaimon | and this is why you should never try and replace nokia supplied libraries with debian ones | 10:45 |
| thp | so, in the end, pidgin supposedly broke *because* of the community repo, and not because of harmattan.. | 10:45 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: yes, that is why I wrote the big warning last summer'ish | 10:45 |
| Sazpaimon | thp, because the community repo wasnt following its own advice :P | 10:45 |
| djszapi | apparently not big enough | 10:45 |
| Sazpaimon | make it red | 10:45 |
| Sazpaimon | and blinking | 10:46 |
| djszapi | so my question again: who wanna contribute to an automated validator ? | 10:46 |
| Sazpaimon | and marquee | 10:46 |
| Sazpaimon | and add some javascript to make it fly around the mouse cursor | 10:46 |
| djszapi | the validator should be an obs patch though, nothing specialised to us | 10:47 |
| djszapi | ideally the project config should mention the conflicting repositories. | 10:47 |
| djszapi | so the obs codebase should provide this functionality (configurability) for the project admins | 10:47 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, how do you propose I submit my modified haze plugin to the community repository | 10:48 |
| djszapi | you need to get an account first. | 10:48 |
| Sazpaimon | it has all the same functionality as haze, but with the addition of knowing the steam protocol exists | 10:48 |
| djszapi | name it differently if it is not what project truly is. | 10:49 |
| djszapi | haze-ng | 10:49 |
| djszapi | or whatever. | 10:49 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah I named the binary itself telepathy-haze-steam | 10:49 |
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| Sazpaimon | to not conflict with telepathy-haze that extraplugins already uses | 10:49 |
| Sazpaimon | but that was just for the ovi store | 10:49 |
| djszapi | thp: yes rzr pushed this package again after my last nuking :P | 10:50 |
| Sazpaimon | for the community repo I suppose i could just make the package replace telepathy-haze | 10:50 |
| djszapi | well ovi and the community repository are different | 10:50 |
| Sazpaimon | once I get it all working and submitted to nokia I'll work on making a proper dpatch for the package and running it through osc | 10:50 |
| djszapi | you can have, for instance, deps in the comm repo | 10:51 |
| djszapi | so I package my app in two different ways | 10:51 |
| djszapi | one for comm repo, one for ovi | 10:51 |
| Sazpaimon | yes | 10:51 |
| Sazpaimon | thats my plan anyway | 10:51 |
| Sazpaimon | i already have two different build trees | 10:51 |
| djszapi | dpatch ? | 10:51 |
| djszapi | you mean quilt ? | 10:51 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 10:51 |
| Sazpaimon | old habits | 10:51 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: right, now I need help with testing my app. | 10:52 |
| Sazpaimon | i keep saying dpatch because im used to gentoo and epatch | 10:52 |
| Sazpaimon | ebuilds are so much easier than debs, i swear | 10:52 |
| djszapi | just no flamewars pls :P | 10:53 |
| Sazpaimon | okay, now to write the account plugin | 10:54 |
| Sazpaimon | the fun part | 10:54 |
| djszapi | that is a very hefty task ... | 10:55 |
| Sazpaimon | so im looking at the extraplugins source and it looks like he just tacks on the accountmanager stuff at the end of qmlapplicationviewer.cpp | 10:55 |
| Sazpaimon | that's.. not really what youre supposed to do is it | 10:56 |
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| thp | djszapi: btw, what's the difference between apps for meego and the rzr community repo? | 10:57 |
| djszapi | thp: they are distinct at large. The former is an app store, the latter is a repository | 10:58 |
| Sazpaimon | thp, think of the community repo as the extras repo for fremantle | 10:58 |
| djszapi | but with much more packages :) | 10:58 |
| djszapi | and less maintainers :P | 10:59 |
| thp | i think of apps for meego as "harmattan extras" | 10:59 |
| Sazpaimon | which works like a regular debian repository, where debs can have arbitrary dependencies | 10:59 |
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| djszapi | thp: ovi store is not equal to nokia repos right ? | 10:59 |
| Sazpaimon | whereas the store can only have dependencies on stuff thats in the nokia repository | 10:59 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: nope | 11:00 |
| djszapi | the apps4meego store can have dependency repos. | 11:00 |
| djszapi | in a customized manner. | 11:00 |
| thp | so why not join forces with apps for meego? | 11:00 |
| djszapi | thp: because they are different on purpose | 11:00 |
| djszapi | apps4meego cannot pull all the repositories out there in. | 11:01 |
| djszapi | and it does not wanna do either. | 11:01 |
| djszapi | it is just the higher level for apps. | 11:01 |
| Sazpaimon | djszapi, I meant the nokia store | 11:01 |
| thp | djszapi: but then, things like pidgin should probably end up in apps for meego and not the community repos | 11:01 |
| djszapi | thp: not neccesarily. | 11:01 |
| thp | why not? | 11:02 |
| djszapi | you can always test stuff in the comm repo. | 11:02 |
| djszapi | without pushing crap to an app store. | 11:02 |
| djszapi | to the users. | 11:02 |
| thp | for testing, there's the AFM staging/testing repo | 11:02 |
| djszapi | yes, but what is the benefit of the huge amonut of work to push it in there ? | 11:03 |
| djszapi | I mean it is already working in the community repository | 11:03 |
| djszapi | we do not change it for fun | 11:03 |
| thp | djszapi: "huge amount of work"? | 11:03 |
| djszapi | you did not even help with one package to another repository :D | 11:03 |
| djszapi | so why would you force us to do ? | 11:03 |
| djszapi | yes, huge amonut of work | 11:03 |
| djszapi | to get to know what apps4meego is exactly. | 11:03 |
| djszapi | how it works | 11:03 |
| thp | no, it's just another obs request | 11:03 |
| djszapi | what QA processes | 11:04 |
| djszapi | etc etc etc | 11:04 |
| thp | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit | 11:04 |
| djszapi | complete different mindset | 11:04 |
| djszapi | and I do not have time to learn it. | 11:04 |
| djszapi | not that I wanna either since I have more important things to do | 11:04 |
| djszapi | it is in general a good practice: do not break what works :) | 11:04 |
| thp | like fixing broken packages because the community repo is messed up? | 11:04 |
| djszapi | touch* | 11:04 |
| djszapi | no | 11:05 |
| djszapi | because people do not wanna focus on 500 things | 11:05 |
| djszapi | that is the purpose of the community repository. | 11:05 |
| djszapi | why split up if we already spend 8 months with establishing ? | 11:05 |
| djszapi | spent* | 11:05 |
| djszapi | I would like to preserve the integrated solution we already have in place. | 11:05 |
| djszapi | also, way more people use the comm repo than apps4meego anyway | 11:06 |
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| thp | really? how's that measured? | 11:06 |
| djszapi | because packages are available here ? | 11:07 |
| djszapi | and people got used to it ? | 11:07 |
| djszapi | and why break the nvironment for them without real reasons ? | 11:07 |
| djszapi | and there are like few pakcages only in apps4meego | 11:07 |
| djszapi | and the client still has bugs anyway | 11:07 |
| thp | i don't talk about breaking. i'm just suggesting that everything that can go into apps4meego should go there, and the community repo should then be only for important stuff | 11:08 |
| thp | the community repo doesn't have any client | 11:08 |
| djszapi | and I heavily object to that | 11:08 |
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| djszapi | because I would not like to use apps4meego | 11:08 |
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| djszapi | I would like to execute something from cli and done | 11:08 |
| djszapi | and it already works | 11:08 |
| djszapi | so you would kindly break it for many people. | 11:08 |
| thp | it doesn't need me to break things, apparently | 11:09 |
| thp | anyway, i just think that the community wasn't as disparate in fremantle times where we had the extras repo and it integrated well with a client (HAM) and had a website (maemo.org/downloads) and could also be used from the command line | 11:10 |
| thp | right now, there's ovi, there's apps for meego, there's the community repo, and nothing is perfect. i'm just suggesting that apps for meego and the community repo should take the best things of both and that should result in something like "harmattan extras" | 11:10 |
| djszapi | sorry, but we will not break the already established technology almost in 8-9 months | 11:11 |
| djszapi | for fun | 11:11 |
| thp | i'm merely stating my opinion, i'm not forcing you to break/shut down/... anything | 11:12 |
| djszapi | many people use the community repository every single day, we cannot just simply break the workflowfor them | 11:12 |
| djszapi | "...and nothing is perfect." -> I wonder how you would like to get anything perfect :D | 11:12 |
| djszapi | what we can only do is to crop out a core repository | 11:13 |
| thp | i think it doesn't matter anyway | 11:13 |
| djszapi | IF, we can configure the current comm repo to depend on them explicitely for everybody | 11:13 |
| djszapi | but even that, that would be a huge work | 11:14 |
| djszapi | so until someone steps up for helping, and it is not only done by me and rzr, it is not gonna work out in practice. | 11:14 |
| thp | you're not open for suggestions, apps for meego and ovi store are the only end-user-friendly (yes, end users also exist!) repos, and so just let everything be as it is | 11:14 |
| djszapi | apps4meego end user friendly :D | 11:14 |
| djszapi | with few packages ? :P | 11:14 |
| thp | yes it is. | 11:15 |
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| djszapi | ofc users matter the most, that is why we did the security platform | 11:15 |
| djszapi | but again, we do not break the workflow of the many people for fun | 11:15 |
| djszapi | without even any resource to do that in the practice nicely without a haywire transient | 11:15 |
| thp | gotta go, happy trolling | 11:15 |
| djszapi | so what you should actually propose is: hey, I am here, how can I help with ideas ? | 11:15 |
| djszapi | "how could I make it actually work ?" | 11:16 |
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| djszapi | until there is nobody helping, we cannot break it, and unfortunately such a refactoring is a huge work. | 11:16 |
| djszapi | and then there are people not planning to push their stuff to apps stores at all. | 11:18 |
| djszapi | there are people having project without being feature completeness. | 11:19 |
| djszapi | thp: "and so just let everything be as it is" -> wrong, I will not resist against pushing your stuff into any app stores since it is your stuff after all | 11:21 |
| djszapi | but we are not planning to change the current community repository, especially without too much manpower. | 11:21 |
| lbt | Sazpaimon: yeah - the first I heard from you is at 5:52am local time on a sunday ... now it's 9:21 am and ... "what account would you like enabling" ? | 11:21 |
| lbt | as djszapi says... not a huge burden or latency :) | 11:22 |
| djszapi | lbt :P he wanted to play with osc locally for the community repository, but it needs to have an account apparently. | 11:23 |
| lbt | np - and you know the drill | 11:24 |
| Sazpaimon | lbt, hi | 11:26 |
| djszapi | thp: even nemo has app repositories for c-obs. I need to admit we did a monolithic repository with its own advantages and drawbacks. | 11:26 |
| Sazpaimon | account is "sazpaimon" | 11:26 |
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| lbt | Sazpaimon: done - have fun :) | 11:28 |
| Sazpaimon | thanks | 11:28 |
| djszapi | thp: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS#CE:Apps - I think we could do the same, but again: a lot of manpower needed for that. | 11:28 |
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| bambee_ | hi, does skype work well for you ? it worked during a while and suddenly disconnected. Now each time I try to connect to my account I get the following message "unable to connect to skype" :( | 11:30 |
| bambee_ | except this bug, meego harmattan is really great <3 | 11:30 |
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| djszapi | yeah, it works for me. | 11:31 |
| djszapi | (at least the chat bits) | 11:31 |
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| djszapi | bambee_: do other accounts work ? | 11:35 |
| bambee_ | mhh.. trying | 11:35 |
| bambee_ | djszapi: does not work too | 11:38 |
| bambee_ | "unable to connect to skype" , I am connected and other services like FB or GT work fine | 11:39 |
| bambee_ | is possible to get logs for skype ? | 11:39 |
| djszapi | mmh maybe if you run it from console | 11:40 |
| djszapi | or syslog | 11:40 |
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| bambee_ | http://pastebin.com/U14nqNK1 <--- I found this | 11:57 |
| bambee_ | (grep skype /var/log/syslog) | 11:58 |
| bambee_ | line 3 | 11:58 |
| bambee_ | this is with harmattan pr 1.1 | 12:02 |
| djszapi | n9 ? | 12:02 |
| bambee_ | yes | 12:04 |
| bambee_ | well, "mission-control" is part of telepathy. isn't it ? | 12:08 |
| djszapi | anybody knowing the location of the info icon (monochrome) on the system ? | 12:22 |
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| ijusten | > Hi! | 12:56 |
| ijusten | [12:55] <ijusten> I have the black 64gb N9 and noted that the phone average battery consumption while idle (no programs but the battery monitor on, clock on the screen) is 94mA p | 12:56 |
| ijusten | [12:55] <ijusten> If I understand correctly, the right consumption should be below 20 mA. Has anybody else encountered this problem and how did they solve it? | 12:56 |
| ijusten | > Hi! | 12:56 |
| ijusten | [12:55] <ijusten> I have the black 64gb N9 and noted that the phone average battery consumption while idle (no programs but the battery monitor on, clock on the screen) is 94mA p | 12:56 |
| ijusten | [12:55] <ijusten> If I understand correctly, the right consumption should be below 20 mA. Has anybody else encountered this problem and how did they solve it? | 12:56 |
| ijusten | Hups, sorry for the doublepost | 12:56 |
| ijusten | I should maybe mention that I had rebooted the phone before checking this, so there should be nothing on the background, either | 12:57 |
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| virtuald | if you have just rebooted then maybe it didn't have time to get a low average | 13:11 |
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| ijusten | I gave it three hours | 13:25 |
| ijusten | Then I tried something to solve it and now the average idle consumption is 120 mA | 13:25 |
| ijusten | i would laugh if I didn't actually use this phone as my main phone | 13:26 |
| virtuald | open the terminal and run top | 13:27 |
| ijusten | and "active consumption" is 300 mA | 13:27 |
| ijusten | I'm not a developer, how do I do that? | 13:27 |
| ijusten | If you don't want to teach a noob, that's quite ok :) | 13:27 |
| virtuald | sorry i've been awake for too long, and this is also a question for #n9, and you need to activate developer mode in the menus | 13:28 |
| ijusten | ok, I didn't really grasp the difference between the channel | 13:30 |
| ijusten | #N9 just seemed like it was about screen protectors and best games | 13:31 |
| ijusten | :) | 13:31 |
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| djszapi | by the way: is there any workaround for the Nokia SDK repository to get it usable on the device in the sources list with PR1.2 ? | 13:49 |
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| djszapi | Does someone confirm the width/height of the virtual keyboard buttons, please ? | 13:58 |
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| Venemo_N950_ | sorry djszapi, I was away | 14:11 |
| Venemo_N950_ | djszapi, what can I help you with? | 14:12 |
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| lbt | we have some unplanned maintenance on obs... sorry for the slight outage | 14:42 |
| djszapi | lbt big issue ? | 14:43 |
| lbt | not really - should be sorted soonish | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey lbt :-D | 15:38 |
| lbt | o/ | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: any clue what's up with wirelessmodemapi.com? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.wirelessmodemapi.com | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: how's meego / mer going to interface the modem now? | 15:42 |
| * lbt thought you were being sarcastic about api.meego.com ? | 15:42 | |
| lbt | which it deserves :D | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm concerned about (C)-holders withdrawing their support for foundatin technologies | 15:43 |
| lbt | I'm afraid I don't know the site - I assume it is what it sounds like and also wonder if it's just a sunday morning maintenance break | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are other projects than just ofono relying on wirelessmodemapi | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it was Nokia's official ISI specs page, and it's down since weeks now for all I can tell | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | at *least* weeks | 15:45 |
| lbt | I'd ping Stskeeps on that one | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 15:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly ponders to search the donkeynet et al for the latest wirelss modem specs | 15:48 | |
| merlin1991 | meego.com ssl cert ran out too | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | creeping death :-S | 15:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders when Qt will start to bitrot | 15:51 | |
| * merlin1991 idly wonders why apps.formeego.org has "contact privacy policy terms of server" when none of those three links actually points anywhere | 15:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably M$ picked the right pawn to kill linux | 15:52 |
| merlin1991 | s/server/service/ | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | whenever there's any contract or promise Nokia gave regarding any key technology relevant for Linux, M$ will happily kill Nokia to void that obligation | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you have to wonder how silly and shortsighted the Nokia board may be | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | "N9 outperformas hooker sales" - wut? doesn't matter. We'll deal with that later, maybe get Flop some help | 16:10 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: don't forget the Qt-becomes-BSD deal ;) | 16:13 |
| luke-jr | if that happens, former TrollTech employees could easily respawn a new company to develop/maintain it | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah, I'm waiting to see that happen | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw my faith in constant respawning to for a strong company is somewhat limited, at least since PalmOS | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | to form* | 16:15 |
| luke-jr | constant? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | the Xth respawn of trolltech? | 16:16 |
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| luke-jr | 1st? | 16:17 |
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| Aranel | How can I use QML and Python together? To be spesific: I want to share variable 'a' from Python on text_field.text from QML. | 16:30 |
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| merlin1991 | Aranel: view.setContextProperty | 16:46 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: I assume you use pyside, then this example might be helpfull: http://qt.gitorious.org/pyside/pyside-examples/blobs/HEAD/examples/declarative/photoviewer/ | 16:47 |
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| Aranel | merlin1991: thanks :) I don't really have any knowledge about PySide or PyQt, I'm just a guy with a Python script and Qt Creator-generated QML interface. | 17:07 |
| merlin1991 | I've been looking into that stuff a few days ago, so hit me with questions if you feel like | 17:08 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: ^^ well my first question is, where to look at first? Learning PySide from beginning may consume a lot of time, since my aim is simply getting/setting a Python variable from QML interface. | 17:09 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: start here: http://qt.gitorious.org/pyside/pyside-examples/blobs/HEAD/examples/declarative/photoviewer/main.py#line226 | 17:10 |
| merlin1991 | it's your basic set up a qml view from python script :) | 17:11 |
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| Aranel | merlin1991: I've tried an example from pyside-qml-article-1.1, here: http://pastebin.com/00eUi1t1 | 17:44 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: but it didn't render the interface properly. | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | define "properly" | 17:46 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: I'm taking a screenshot =) | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | while you're at it, pasetbin the qml too | 17:47 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: http://imagebin.org/199671 | 17:48 |
| Aranel | it shows up the top bar twice (which is kind of, weird?) and an ugly bottom bar instead of actual menu | 17:49 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: QML file http://pastebin.com/8sKg2XMJ | 17:50 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: is that the full qml? (I'm missing the main.js and a proper pagestack) | 17:56 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: main.js is simply function wdir() return "something", so I didn't add it :) pagestack is on the way, in a moment | 17:57 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: main.qml http://pastebin.com/Rz6em19g | 17:58 |
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| merlin1991 | Aranel: I guess the top bar get's fixed if you adjust the python code to use view.showFullScreen() instead | 18:00 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: view.showFullscreen() instead of view.show()? | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 18:02 |
| Aranel | oops, typo. | 18:02 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: yay :) it also fixed the bottom menu too :) | 18:04 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 18:05 |
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| pa | is it possible/easy to overclock the N9? | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | possible yesa | 18:18 |
| merlin1991 | easy no | 18:18 |
| Corsac | not a good idea: yes | 18:19 |
| merlin1991 | Corsac: agreed :D | 18:20 |
| pa | shouldnt the chip support up to 1.2ghz? | 18:25 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: now I figured out to show my variables (wdir and sleep) on UI too =) | 18:26 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: how can I run a Python function when user clicks on "Save" ? | 18:26 |
| merlin1991 | on an object you expose to qml vie setContextProperty you need to declare a funciton as a Slot | 18:27 |
| merlin1991 | @Slot(parameters) annodation | 18:27 |
| merlin1991 | http://188.40.39.11/~christian/dataModel.7z (my server) has an exmaple that also includes an implementation of the qt datamodel for list delegates | 18:29 |
| merlin1991 | the dataclass exposes 2 functions to qml to add and remove content which are also used by toolbar buttons in the qml | 18:29 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: reading the codes for 15min~ now, still couldnt understand most of it :| | 18:54 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: if you have a minute, could you give me a simpler example? Like "when you push this button, print hello world" kind of thing =) | 18:54 |
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| merlin1991 | Aranel: when you look at the TestLineModel you'll have the two funcitons remove and add | 18:56 |
| merlin1991 | those are called from test.qml in the menu | 18:56 |
| merlin1991 | so you basically make the funciton a slot, epxose the class instance via setContextProperty, and then call it in qml with propertyname.functionanme() | 18:57 |
| Aranel | so if I make def remove(self): print "Hello world", would it work? | 18:58 |
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| pa | but is it true that harmattan can run android apps? | 19:04 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: yes it works ^^ but even If I change the Working Directory (wdir) input box to something else and click Save, it still prints the old value. | 19:04 |
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| djszapiN9 | is it a problem, if I use the phone out there in falling snow, if it has cover except the screen in front ? | 19:16 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: I don't think it sets the python variable when you change the text | 19:18 |
| merlin1991 | you'll have to give that value as a parameter of the save function I guess | 19:18 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: like this? onClicked: { meesetting.save(meesetting.wdir,meesetting.sleep) } | 19:20 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | you'll have to have parameters for the function in python | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | and the @Slot needs them too (looking up syntax) | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: @Slot(str, str) should do the trick | 19:23 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: I did that onClicked with def save(wd,slp): print wd + slp | 19:24 |
| merlin1991 | did it work? :D | 19:24 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: TypeError save() takes exactly 2 arguments, 1 given | 19:24 |
| Aranel | nope. :) | 19:24 |
| merlin1991 | do it with str, str then | 19:24 |
| merlin1991 | afaik in the @Slot( you define type | 19:24 |
| Aranel | do you mean save(str,str) ? | 19:25 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 19:25 |
| merlin1991 | @Slot(str, str) | 19:25 |
| merlin1991 | def save(wd,slp): print wd + slp | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: i don't think it's a problem unless there's uber amounts of snow | 19:25 |
| djszapiN9 | there is :p | 19:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 19:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better shelter it then | 19:26 |
| merlin1991 | djszapiN9: I used it without cover in full rain | 19:26 |
| merlin1991 | n9 didn't care :D | 19:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also did you guys manage to get the libpidgin in c-obs un-hosed? | 19:26 |
| djszapiN9 | heh i am also using it, let us see then | 19:26 |
| djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, we found the bug | 19:27 |
| djszapiN9 | so i will submit later | 19:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cool | 19:27 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: takes exactly 2 arguments 3 given | 19:27 |
| * djszapiN9 hopes to net wake up in other city again on the bus ;) | 19:27 | |
| djszapiN9 | not* | 19:27 |
| merlin1991 | hm this is odd | 19:28 |
| djszapiN9 | the problem is that if i fell down in this snow | 19:28 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: I forgot about self :D | 19:28 |
| djszapiN9 | i would not find my phone | 19:28 |
| merlin1991 | def save(self,wd,slp) | 19:28 |
| Aranel | djszapiN9: by the way, talking of snow, does your N9 perform well under low temperature, such as 10 C? | 19:29 |
| Aranel | -10C* | 19:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i really need to sign up on tmo and post some of my wares | 19:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like the calendar thing | 19:30 |
| Aranel | I have a friend complaining about his device claims empty battery and all kinds of weird stuff under -5 | 19:30 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: mine did too | 19:30 |
| merlin1991 | battery actually went dead and care replaced it | 19:30 |
| djszapiN9 | Aranel, yep | 19:31 |
| Aranel | O.o never experienced sth like that on my N900 or N950 even under -20, now that's scary! | 19:31 |
| Aranel | did you put it to somewhere cold or just take it from your pocket and it gone crazy? | 19:32 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: I ended up with an infinite charging loop where it tried to boot too early | 19:32 |
| merlin1991 | I used it on a skiing day :D | 19:32 |
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| merlin1991 | though the new battery survived a full week of such usage | 19:32 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: it doesn't complain about TypeError anymore | 19:34 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: but still shows old value on print. | 19:34 |
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| merlin1991 | don't use the meesttings. but the id of the textinput | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | id.text | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | (in the qml that calls) | 19:38 |
| djszapiN9 | Aranel, are you from fi, or canada ? | 19:39 |
| Aranel | djszapiN9: nope, not even near =) tr | 19:39 |
| djszapiN9 | or antarctica ? :p | 19:39 |
| Aranel | well often I think some cities here maybe colder than antarctica, but I'm not sure :p | 19:40 |
| djszapiN9 | which cit's ? | 19:41 |
| Aranel | Ankara, capital city. | 19:41 |
| Aranel | which will be -19 C tomorrow night :| | 19:42 |
| Aranel | well we have much colder cities too, such as Erzurum, -31 C according to google. | 19:43 |
| djszapiN9 | -40 in yhe north sometimes. | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is more correct: Depends: ..., calendar (<< 0.18.98) | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or: Conflicts: ..., calendar (>= 0.18.98) | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for a situation where package versions >= 0.18.98 provide overlapping functionality | 19:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9 ^ | 19:50 |
| Aranel | djszapiN9: oh :| | 19:51 |
| Aranel | djszapiN9: well I'm a summer person, I guess =p | 19:51 |
| djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, i see the first more often | 19:51 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: aaand.. It works! :)) | 19:51 |
| djszapiN9 | Aranel, not just summer, but sauna ;) | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: yeah, on second thought that's the better idea, because calendar must be installed, and it must be less than x | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to, it doesn't work if calendar greater than x is installed, but it doesn't need calendar either | 19:52 |
| Aranel | djszapiN9: maybe I should move to south, to Antalya, those guys enjoying a nice 13 C today, can't believe we're living in the same country. | 19:54 |
| Aranel | I imagine Hell as a very, very cold place :p | 19:55 |
| djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, agree | 19:55 |
| * djszapiN9 is incredibly enjoy the finger drum app in ovi | 20:06 | |
| djszapiN9 | :) | 20:06 |
| djszapiN9 | enjoying* | 20:06 |
| faenil | lol | 20:07 |
| djszapiN9 | extremely super fun :) | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: perfect :) | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | np: SouthPark - Fingerbang | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, could someone else with PR1.1 validate this? | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=8&d=http%3A%2F%2Fzunedevwiki.org%2Fmisc%2Fcalendar-live-icon_0.1_armel.deb | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | download via browser, run, verify that the description looks proper, install, go back to home screen and ensure that the calendar icon says 19 | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 20 | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for the australians, yeah | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also installing the pr1.2 ssu when it comes out will either automatically get rid of this, or block until it's removed manually | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure which | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: if it conflicts with calendar >=18foo, then that's it | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it needs calendar and a certain version of it, then it's depends calendar (<18) | 20:17 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: remember for the signature issue with the nokia repository on PR.2? | 20:17 |
| djszapi | PR1.2 | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to confuse the two | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | "provide overlapping functionality" is "conflicts" in my book | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | "provides needed functions" is "depends" | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI you app uses functionality of calendar, so it probably depends on calendar | 20:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: it doesn't use calendar but it mutates one of calendar's files | 20:20 |
| djszapi | I bricked my device today with that issue. | 20:20 |
| djszapi | it did not boot anymore. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, providing that file is a functionality of calendar | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | your app depends on that | 20:21 |
| djszapi | so I will raise the issue tomorrow...and we do not still have nice workaround. :/ | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and calendar on pr1.2 provides a script that mutates its own icon | 20:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: :/ in what way was it bricked? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so your app depends on calendar <pr1.2 installed | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, which is what i went with | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: try calendarrrrrrr! | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (that's what that qrcode link up there is) | 20:22 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it did not boot anymore. | 20:23 |
| djszapi | I have the log I could save out. | 20:23 |
| djszapi | brick.txt :P | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hah | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought the issue was that it refused to install packages, not that it did so and screwed things up | 20:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or are we talking about a different signature issue | 20:24 |
| djszapi | http://paste.xinu.at/DAv/ | 20:24 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I cannot disable the repository | 20:24 |
| djszapi | that is not a workaround for me. | 20:24 |
| djszapi | because the KDE stack is way huge | 20:25 |
| djszapi | to do things manually. | 20:25 |
| djszapi | if I disable that, the comm repo is also gone, sort of. | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: wtf? | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: hm? | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | [19:22:32] <itsnotabigtruck> merlin1991: try calendarrrrrrr! | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: i'm assuming you're using an N9 on PR1.1, and calendarrr = a calendar icon updater i wrote and i'm trying to get people to test | 20:27 |
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| merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: wasn't it out already by thp? | 20:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's like the other calendar icon updater that was posted on fmc and ovi store, but better | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | thp's isn't any good :p this one is fully time-zone aware and doesn't require a continuously running daemon | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the daemon in the original one seems to spawn lots of processes for some reason | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | how does yours work (can i see the source :D) | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sure, http://zunedevwiki.org/misc/calendar-live-icon_0.1.tar.gz | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | nice usage of implicit dh rules :) | 20:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 20:33 |
| djszapi | does anybody know the height/width of the keys on the VKB ? | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | take a ss and check, sry dunno | 20:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there really needs to be a utility with timed to register tasks | 20:34 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it can be done with dbus-send but the interface is ludicrously complicated and in theory it could change from release to release | 20:34 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I do not know what bricked my device :D | 20:35 |
| djszapi | I mean I see the output, but not sure what made bash and other things gone. | 20:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, it looks like you'd already removed mp-harmattan-rm680-pr | 20:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is always dangerous | 20:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you didn't run an autoremove so i don't get why that happened | 20:37 |
| djszapi | apt-get -f install I ran. | 20:37 |
| djszapi | yep | 20:37 |
| djszapi | I directly checked, and it did not mean to remove anything serious | 20:37 |
| djszapi | I could check out things on the serial port. | 20:37 |
| djszapi | but I do not have that, just at the company. | 20:38 |
| djszapi | ohh not even that since it is a production device, ok well then ... :D | 20:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | is it possible that autoremove is automatically run sometimes? | 20:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i know pkgmgr runs it after every op | 20:39 |
| djszapi | hope for nope | 20:39 |
| djszapi | also weird why those packages are thought unneccesary :D | 20:39 |
| djszapi | pretty much the base system :) | 20:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's because you removed mp-harmattan-x-pr | 20:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | by default everything is marked as automatically installed | 20:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | except that | 20:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you remove the release package, apt considers everything removable | 20:40 |
| djszapi | I do not see mp-harmattan-x-pr in that pastie | 20:40 |
| djszapi | and I have not done anything | 20:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's part of why i was bitching about apt-mark the other day | 20:40 |
| djszapi | that is all what I did. | 20:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure you got rid of it before the stuff you pasted | 20:40 |
| djszapi | I wanted to install the kde stack, and that libqt4-dev thingie was the prerequisite | 20:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | possibly without even noticing | 20:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the mp-harmattan-x-pr package has an exact version dependency on everything in the system | 20:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so attempting to upgrade anything will cause apt to try and get rid of it | 20:41 |
| djszapi | well | 20:41 |
| djszapi | my phone was working. | 20:41 |
| djszapi | I tried to install install kde | 20:41 |
| djszapi | it requested libqt4-dev | 20:41 |
| merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: you solution looks really nice :) | 20:41 |
| djszapi | I thought ok, I install it. | 20:41 |
| djszapi | and that is what happened. | 20:42 |
| djszapi | there was nothing after trying to install kde and before the libqt4-dev try. | 20:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | next time, i'd suggest apt-marking everything on the system as manually installed | 20:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | then remove mp-harmattan-x-pr | 20:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i *think* that'll work | 20:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it'll also probably make it impossible to SSU it, but no big loss | 20:42 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | well, you could apt-get dist-upgrade and then immediately reboot, that would do the same thing | 20:42 |
| faenil | had anybody got experience with ubuntu wifi + android ? | 20:43 |
| faenil | I know I'm completely OT x | 20:43 |
| faenil | xD | 20:43 |
| faenil | I just can't waste one more minute on this stuff | 20:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 20:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no android experience whatsoever here... | 20:44 |
| djszapi | faenil: no but we are windows phone expert here... | 20:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how about trying an android channel | 20:44 |
| faenil | I'm so impressed, the more I use android, the more I want to burn that tablet | 20:44 |
| djszapi | on say... bsd | 20:44 |
| faenil | djzapi: so you know how to create a wifi network for Lumia :) | 20:44 |
| djszapi | and you know how to use tab for completion ;) | 20:44 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck: the expert on #android put me on ignore list XD | 20:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw has anyone ported aptitude (apt ncurses) to n9? | 20:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: next time, before you hose your phone, try this | 20:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt-cache depends mp-harmattan-001-pr | sed 's/ Depends: //' | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 apt-mark manual | 20:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt-get remove mp-harmattan-001-pr | 20:47 |
| faenil | djszapi: didn't get you :D | 20:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need python-apt from the sdk repo first | 20:47 |
| djszapi | faenil: you happen to mistype my name instead of using tab. | 20:48 |
| faenil | oh :O LOL | 20:49 |
| faenil | didn't know there was autocompletion in here XD | 20:49 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck, you were causing big troubles writing your name at high speed | 20:49 |
| faenil | xD | 20:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | haha | 20:49 |
| djszapi | faenil: you serious ? :D | 20:50 |
| faenil | djszapi, unfortunately, yes XD | 20:50 |
| faenil | I remember there was a way to autocomplete, but didn't try the easiest one XD | 20:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem with tab complete is when there's two people with similar nicks and you keep getting the wrong one all the time, heh | 20:50 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: that is a bug if the base package gets removed. | 20:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: the bug is everything on the phone being marked as autoinstalled | 20:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't do that | 20:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 20:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also i think apt is supposed to protect "essential" packages | 20:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so the harmattan core system should probably be marked as essential | 20:51 |
| djszapi | anyway | 20:52 |
| djszapi | the bigger issue is the fact: there is no workaround on the top of my tongue. | 20:52 |
| djszapi | for having the repo in the source list, and still work. | 20:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: ah...think i found the issue | 20:54 |
| djszapi | tip* | 20:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | https://crypty.ch/p/ndGNFD3G#f396aef55c28662edbff3989be9212e8 | 20:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a new check that causes it to bomb out if the package is determined to be from an unrecognized source | 20:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that unrecognized source is "signature check failed" which is filled in whenever a package doesn't have a valid apt signature | 20:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so...that's really bad | 20:57 |
| djszapi | well, it should not be unrecognized source in the first place. | 20:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as in, if they tape out with this dpkg wrapper, any repo that isn't a) signed, b) declared in a domain | 20:59 |
| djszapi | let us call it "unknown" instead of "unrecognized" to use the jargon | 20:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | will be broken entirely | 20:59 |
| djszapi | let me not raise it then :P | 21:00 |
| djszapi | the wrapper is written perl | 21:00 |
| djszapi | and I would really like to avoid any perl tasks ! | 21:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hah | 21:00 |
| djszapi | in* | 21:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think the solution is simple | 21:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | instead of returning 'signature check failed', return '' | 21:00 |
| djszapi | where did you get that snippet from ? | 21:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or alternately special case 'signature check failed' in the function that's failing righgt now | 21:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like you said, the wrapper is written in perl :p | 21:02 |
| djszapi | wait | 21:02 |
| djszapi | we provide a binary nowadays | 21:02 |
| djszapi | how did you get the source ? | 21:02 |
| djszapi | apt-get source aegis-install ? | 21:03 |
| merlin1991 | the worst mindfuck with aegis is the digsigsums thing | 21:05 |
| merlin1991 | just the syntax of that file, major mindfuck | 21:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | everyone should probably sign their repositories ASAP | 21:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a good idea anyway | 21:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt | 21:08 |
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| djszapi | especially Nokia.... | 21:09 |
| djszapi | but is is signed | 21:09 |
| djszapi | it* | 21:09 |
| djszapi | so fixing that perl code is still not the real fix for the Nokia sdk repo. | 21:09 |
| djszapi | there is some glitch ongoing. | 21:09 |
| djszapi | it should realize the proper origin for the signed nokia repo | 21:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the sdk repo isn't signed, and neither is the rzr repo | 21:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it's time to get some secureapt action going | 21:11 |
| djszapi | it is signed | 21:11 |
| djszapi | the Release file contains the hashes fyi. | 21:12 |
| djszapi | so I think there are more issues here. | 21:12 |
| djszapi | at least two. | 21:12 |
| djszapi | you better off using the community repository term, to not highlight the pure guy allthe time | 21:13 |
| djszapi | darn me suggesting his place for being the repo last summer | 21:13 |
| djszapi | but we did not get a community account (why btw?) | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/dists/harmattan/sdk/free/binary-armel/Release.gpg | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not signed | 21:13 |
| djszapi | check the file locally. | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not signed :p | 21:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt signatures are gpg detached signatures, they aren't in the release/packages files | 21:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the hashes in those files are just that, hashes | 21:14 |
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| djszapi | yes and there was a gpg attachment | 21:15 |
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| djszapi | also, the code you showed was not changed recently. | 21:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if that were the case, that link i gave wouldn't be a 404 | 21:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and scratchbox wouldn't complain about unverifiable packages every time i install stuff | 21:16 |
| djszapi | last half a year | 21:16 |
| djszapi | well, it never came as unknown package. | 21:16 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | and a diff says otherwise, that snippet was added between 1.3.19 and 1.3.22 | 21:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so check again | 21:19 |
| djszapi | 1.3.19 was very long ago | 21:22 |
| djszapi | even bit more than half a year | 21:22 |
| djszapi | this change was added half a year ago | 21:22 |
| djszapi | In any case, It is a serious regression prior to the previous operation in my opinion. | 21:23 |
| djszapi | in comparison with* | 21:23 |
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| djszapi | and since the community repository depends on this repo ... lucky guys who can manage the stuff manually. | 21:25 |
| djszapi | I personally cannot for the KDE stack. :/ | 21:25 |
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| djszapi | I hope I can catch the dpkg wrapper maintainer tomorrow in email ... | 21:29 |
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| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: do you know the vkb button sizes ? | 21:33 |
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| djszapi | portrait in EN is 40x60 for such normal keys, 76x45 for landscape. | 21:41 |
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| djszapi | Can the ToolIcon be used outside a ToolBar, or is there some image type qt component respecting the platform specific icon id instead of passing a full url ? | 21:46 |
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| pa | whats the difference btw 20.2011.40.4 and 22.2011.44.2? (in navifirm) | 21:55 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: pr1.1 and pr1.1.1 | 21:58 |
| pa | ah | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the latter has arabic support and was only released in the ME | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so you probably want pr1.1 | 21:58 |
| pa | thanks, yes thats true | 21:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also no idea about the virtual keyboard button size | 21:58 |
| djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: why not, I have just written | 21:59 |
| djszapi | you should know from now on :P | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh right :p | 21:59 |
| pa | but i have a question: if i make mess with my phone, can i always reflash it? | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: depends on the type of mess, but usually yes | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you can't "downgrade" | 21:59 |
| pa | what do you mean? | 21:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where downgrading means going to a lower version, or a lower variant code on the same version | 21:59 |
| pa | ah | 22:00 |
| pa | so i cant reflash from scratch | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you put pr1.1.1 on your phone, you can't go back to pr1.1 | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or if you put pr1.1 variant code 003 (china) on, you can't go back to pr1.1 variant code 001 (the west) | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you can go to variant code 005 (australia) | 22:00 |
| pa | but how comes this limitation? | 22:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because nokia says so, it's a rather ridiculous imposition | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all nokia smartphones have such restrictions | 22:01 |
| pa | i see | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's ways to downgrade symbian phones that might work on the n9, but that requires extraordinary measures | 22:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so just try to avoid needing to do that, lol | 22:02 |
| pa | ah, like for example? | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | cracked nokia service software, that kind of thing | 22:02 |
| pa | ah i see | 22:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the N9 works differently from the symbian phones in that respect | 22:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i think even that wouldn't work | 22:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also pa: you can reflash from scratch, as in wipe the phone and reload the firmware you're on right now | 22:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | you can even secure-erase the flash to ensure no data could be recovered from your emmc | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | http://apps.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4f4156854393b_icon.png | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | that was easier than I thought | 22:08 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway I have the accounts plugin code compiling | 22:09 |
| Sazpaimon | just need to test it | 22:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so what plan did you go with? | 22:09 |
| Sazpaimon | I'm going to rename the haze binary to something else | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | making a custom gutted libpidgin, custom gutted telepathy-haze, and rename them so they don't conflict? | 22:10 |
| Sazpaimon | yep | 22:10 |
| Sazpaimon | still need to do the same with libpurple | 22:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | when you take a break put this on your phone http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=8&d=http%3A%2F%2Fzunedevwiki.org%2Fmisc%2Fcalendar-live-icon_0.1_armel.deb | 22:10 |
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| beford | I read somewhere that pr1.2 includes that live icon calendar thing, confirmed? | 22:13 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | beford: yup | 22:26 |
| djszapi | 22:01 < itsnotabigtruck> because nokia says so, it's a rather ridiculous imposition -> not entirely. | 22:27 |
| djszapi | if that was possible, many software would get broken in no time. | 22:27 |
| djszapi | Sazpaimon: yes the generator is nice, whereas I miss the 128x128 generation option | 22:28 |
| djszapi | or the svgz support for generation | 22:28 |
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| admiral0 | hello | 22:33 |
| admiral0 | i'm writing lpsmagic 2.0 | 22:33 |
| admiral0 | and now i need dbus | 22:33 |
| admiral0 | let's say i want a org.admiral0.lpsmagic | 22:34 |
| admiral0 | on system bus | 22:34 |
| admiral0 | will aegis break balls | 22:34 |
| admiral0 | ? | 22:34 |
| rcg | what's up with obs? | 22:41 |
| rcg | all my packages fail as: unresolvable | 22:42 |
| rcg | or am i missing something that has changed? | 22:42 |
| djszapi | link ? | 22:43 |
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| rcg | djszapi: me? | 22:47 |
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| djszapi | rcg: you | 23:03 |
| faenil | dooes anybody know how to use hostapb? | 23:05 |
| faenil | hostapd? | 23:05 |
| djszapi | what did you break again ? xD | 23:08 |
| admiral0 | faenil: ask me, i had some fun with hostapd | 23:10 |
| faenil | yeees :D | 23:10 |
| faenil | djszapi: still trying to get shitty android to connect to wifi xD | 23:10 |
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| djszapi | Is it possible to set the background of the query dialog with my custom image ? | 23:30 |
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| rcg | djszapi: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=meepasswords&project=home%3Awonko | 23:38 |
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| djszapi | no clue, should be okay: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/u/upstart/ | 23:42 |
| rcg | hmm ic.. thx anyway | 23:43 |
| djszapi | rcg: try to use osc for debugging. | 23:43 |
| djszapi | What is the best practice of shifting an element, if that is positioned vertically and horizontally inside the parent, for instance the Page, with the centerIn: parent; line but apparently not the best alignment according to the background for instance | 23:47 |
| djszapi | so I would like to get for instance a centerIn - X position vertically or horizontally without getting hard coded | 23:48 |
| djszapi | would it be better by using horizontal/verticalCenter properties ? | 23:48 |
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| Aranel | merlin1991: are you there? :) | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 23:59 |
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