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| Tronic | How to restore installed apps after restoring a backup? | 01:01 |
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| Tronic | It shows me a list of the apps I had installed but no button to actually restore them. | 01:01 |
| djszapi | I have never seen such a restore functionality in any package managers. | 01:04 |
| Tronic | I guess I could install the apps one by one by clicking them individually but I am afraid of losing the list if I try. | 01:05 |
| Tronic | Already lost it once by clicking the icon in bottom left corner, apparently there is no way to go back to the list after that. | 01:06 |
| Tronic | (except re-restoring the backup, which is what I did) | 01:06 |
| djszapi | just grep for the installed packages and feed dpkg with it | 01:07 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: hm | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how about just jotting the names down | 01:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, under what circumstances do aegis privileges propagate down to spawned processes? | 01:22 |
| merlin1991 | djszapi: "I have never seen such a restore functionality in any package managers." well ham on maemo5 did it | 01:24 |
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| djszapi | merlin1991: it is one long command | 01:25 |
| djszapi | why would be builtin in any package manager ? | 01:26 |
| djszapi | it* | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | I don't know | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | but it simply is | 01:26 |
| djszapi | not that I am aware of | 01:26 |
| djszapi | on desktop distributions | 01:26 |
| djszapi | nor on Harmattan, Android, etc. | 01:26 |
| djszapi | not much addition to a package manager really. | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | run a backup on a n900, restore it, open ham title menu --> "restore applications" is there | 01:26 |
| djszapi | and since 1% uses it, it is an issue to clutter the package manager. | 01:27 |
| merlin1991 | and it does reinstall apps according to a list that came from the backup | 01:27 |
| djszapi | why cannot 1% type a command? | 01:27 |
| djszapi | I mean if it is a hard thing to do, and 90% requires it, it is ok. | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | because it is a consumer device and you're not supposed to "type a command" in order to get your application state back? | 01:28 |
| beford | it doesn't have to be 'built on the package manager' just ont he restore application :P | 01:28 |
| djszapi | why not write an ovi app ? | 01:28 |
| djszapi | I mean seriously, wrapping one command into a ui app is not hard | 01:29 |
| djszapi | if one command is really that problematic | 01:29 |
| djszapi | and this is really not a common need. | 01:29 |
| merlin1991 | I mean seriously why do when it already is there | 01:29 |
| djszapi | to get into the builtin stuff | 01:29 |
| djszapi | the thing is that above, it is not there. | 01:30 |
| merlin1991 | when the builtin stuff already remembers the list there is no point int *not* providing a way to easily install | 01:30 |
| djszapi | disagree | 01:31 |
| merlin1991 | why would I store the list in the first place? | 01:31 |
| merlin1991 | so mock the user? | 01:31 |
| djszapi | same thing with QTimer | 01:31 |
| djszapi | it could have a pause method | 01:31 |
| djszapi | but it does not have because it is not a common need | 01:31 |
| merlin1991 | here is your list of installed applications, now have fun trying to install them all again, huh? | 01:31 |
| djszapi | so why bother with one thing that 1% requests ? | 01:31 |
| djszapi | or 5%, or 10% ? | 01:32 |
| merlin1991 | why does it even show the fsckd list then? | 01:32 |
| djszapi | and not 95% ? | 01:32 |
| merlin1991 | which 95% do need that? | 01:32 |
| djszapi | to clutter the stuff for no real need for /everybody/ ? | 01:32 |
| merlin1991 | I don't see the rationale for a list without functionality, over a list that enables me to get the apps back | 01:32 |
| merlin1991 | either enable me todo so, or drop the whole list | 01:32 |
| beford | 'do you want to restore the installed applications, yes/no' | 01:33 |
| merlin1991 | ^^ exactly | 01:33 |
| djszapi | I would drop the list. | 01:33 |
| djszapi | and let the 5% (or whatever small amount) make a community app. | 01:33 |
| beford | then whats the point of creating a backup and 'restore' if you can just reflash and get stock ? :P | 01:34 |
| merlin1991 | beford: because you *can't* reflash from a nokia pov | 01:35 |
| merlin1991 | only care can do that for you | 01:35 |
| djszapi | how can I make a page scrollable (not flickable) ? | 01:39 |
| beford | merlin1991, I had to reflash my phone using Nokia Software Update, I did a 'reset' from the phone menu and I was unable to activate dev mode and install stuff, so I just used NSU and it applied the same fw. doesn't NSU reflash the whole thing? I don't remember creating a backup :P | 01:40 |
| djszapi | without ListView, mainly. | 01:40 |
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| ajalkane | what's wrong with flickable? | 01:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | beford: when i went to pr1.2 it left the emmc alone and only did the rootfs | 01:40 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: not sure | 01:41 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: when I am trying to scroll the page down, it is getting back to the top after I release the tapping. | 01:41 |
| djszapi | so I cannot effectively go to the "real" bottom of the page. | 01:41 |
| djszapi | and click on stuff there | 01:42 |
| ajalkane | I have no such problems. You set properly contentHeight? | 01:42 |
| djszapi | not sure | 01:42 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: http://paste.xinu.at/lzU/ | 01:43 |
| djszapi | sorry, not that one.. | 01:43 |
| djszapi | this one: http://paste.kde.org/197564/ | 01:43 |
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| djszapi | beford: what is wrong with wrapping a long command with a qml ui as simple as a querydialog ? | 01:45 |
| djszapi | if you do really need that for some reason ? | 01:45 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: your Columns lack height | 01:45 |
| ajalkane | Use height: childrenRect.height | 01:45 |
| djszapi | not sure what you mean | 01:46 |
| ajalkane | No height property in your Columns inside Flickable | 01:46 |
| djszapi | why would that not be implicit ? | 01:46 |
| ajalkane | Dunno. | 01:46 |
| djszapi | yet another qml bug ? :D | 01:47 |
| ajalkane | No idea. Or just one of those "live and learn" situations. QML sometimes throws funny surprises. | 01:47 |
| djszapi | too much of them :) | 01:48 |
| djszapi | and some of them cannot even be learned. | 01:48 |
| djszapi | like my bugreport this morning that I cannot reproduce anywhere else, just in my application, and "randomly". | 01:48 |
| djszapi | and no workaround :D | 01:48 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: essentially the same after the height settings as well | 01:55 |
| ajalkane | ? | 01:56 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: I can send you the debian file, if you wanna see the settings page on your own :) | 01:56 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: setting the heights for the columns did not make it any better. :/ | 01:56 |
| ajalkane | any binding loop warnings or other warnings there? | 01:56 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: yes, binding loop warning thingie | 01:58 |
| ajalkane | I'm using such Flickables a lot without problems, you can try and see if you spot what I'm doing differently for example on this page: https://github.com/ajalkane/profilematic/blob/devel/profilematic/qml/EditRule.qml | 01:58 |
| ajalkane | Is the binding loop about any property related to height? | 01:58 |
| djszapi | yes | 01:58 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/197570/ | 01:58 |
| ajalkane | Eliminate it and your problem probably goes away | 01:58 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: your Column has anchors: fill: parent, yet Flickable has contentHeight to the same column | 02:00 |
| ajalkane | It's a loop that can't be resolved | 02:00 |
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| djszapi | :right: | 02:02 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: without that filling, I am getting one letter per row | 02:05 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: you just have to figure out another way to set width and height | 02:06 |
| ajalkane | you can use the root object for width | 02:06 |
| djszapi | yes | 02:06 |
| ajalkane | and the childrenRect for height | 02:06 |
| djszapi | even the flickable one actually | 02:07 |
| djszapi | no need for root | 02:07 |
| djszapi | agree | 02:07 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: now everything is in one row | 02:14 |
| ajalkane | good. Them binding loops can be annoying to figure out sometimes | 02:15 |
| djszapi | except that there is no binding loop right now | 02:15 |
| ajalkane | ah you mean items that should be in column are in one row? | 02:16 |
| ajalkane | check that your items in the column have height | 02:16 |
| djszapi | I do not think I need this childrenRect.height thingie | 02:17 |
| djszapi | ok it now works | 02:18 |
| djszapi | the childrenRect.height thingie made the column row | 02:18 |
| djszapi | I always used childrenRect for only Row preivously. | 02:19 |
| djszapi | that is why I did not understand why you advised it | 02:19 |
| djszapi | but it is apparently designed for Rows. | 02:19 |
| ajalkane | Oh... | 02:19 |
| ajalkane | I'm using it for columns too. Don't remember why. Perhaps it's unnecessary then | 02:19 |
| djszapi | imo, the Switch has quite a small width by default. | 02:20 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: anyway, thanks. =) | 02:22 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: if you could take a look at my other binding loop thingie.. | 02:23 |
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| ajalkane | np, i can try | 02:24 |
| djszapi | qrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:92:17: QML Slider: Binding loop detected for property "value" | 02:25 |
| djszapi | qrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:159:17: QML Switch: Binding loop detected for property "checked" | 02:25 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/197588/ | 02:26 |
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| ieatlint | i would guess that the signal is somehow triggering a loop... | 02:32 |
| djszapi | if I change the myExposedClass.property to property int b: 0; in that file. | 02:33 |
| djszapi | and use 'b' at the binding thingie | 02:33 |
| djszapi | I do not get this loop thingie | 02:33 |
| djszapi | or even if I use yet another exposed Q_PROPERTY thingie | 02:33 |
| djszapi | so it is kinda "random". | 02:33 |
| ajalkane | hmm? | 02:34 |
| ajalkane | it depends what it's named? Or of the property type or what? | 02:34 |
| djszapi | no real clue | 02:34 |
| djszapi | I spent almost my whole day with writing a skeleton for reproducing the issue, but could not get such a skeleton error-prone | 02:34 |
| ajalkane | The underlying Slider.value object is C++. I don't have time to check how it's defined | 02:35 |
| ajalkane | Maybe there's something shitty with its definition | 02:35 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/197288/ the signal is emit for value changed only | 02:35 |
| djszapi | so there is no problem with the onValueChanged signal imho | 02:36 |
| djszapi | so if I use "property int b: 0;" instead of my exposed property, no binding loop warning | 02:36 |
| djszapi | and for certain other properties either | 02:36 |
| djszapi | (also, the app works fine wrt the sliders, "just" warning on the console) | 02:37 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/kanagramenginehelper.h#L25 -> here you can find the exposed property thingy | 02:38 |
| ajalkane | does the warning come just once or whenever you move slider? | 02:39 |
| djszapi | nope | 02:39 |
| djszapi | just while launching the app | 02:39 |
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| djszapi | so just once during the launch. | 02:39 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/197594/ | 02:40 |
| djszapi | so probably when the page is initialized | 02:40 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/main.qml -> initialized from the main.qml -> That is what I would believe. | 02:40 |
| AranelN9 | where is the SMS database for N9? Is there some file like el.db? | 02:41 |
| djszapi | or maybe they reduced the warning only for the realization of the code, and not for every run | 02:41 |
| ajalkane | maybe that checking is done on QML parsing time | 02:41 |
| admiral0 | RzR: ping | 02:41 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: so what is the difference between an own property and "property int binding: 0;" ? | 02:42 |
| djszapi | wrt the issue in question. | 02:42 |
| ajalkane | should of course make no difference | 02:43 |
| ajalkane | I would guess one would have to look at the underlying Slider C++ code to get to the root of this problem | 02:43 |
| djszapi | I was considering the naming of my NOTIFY Signal | 02:43 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: btw, I have a skeleton | 02:43 |
| ajalkane | what's the type of hintHideTime? | 02:43 |
| djszapi | with a custom C++ object and properties | 02:43 |
| djszapi | using Slider | 02:43 |
| djszapi | and no problem there. | 02:43 |
| djszapi | and not that I could mention a workaround for this problem. | 02:44 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: int: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/kanagramenginehelper.h#L28 | 02:44 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: working skeleton details: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-01-31.log.html#t2012-01-31T16:06:45 | 02:46 |
| ajalkane | Can't really say I understand exactly what's going on, but I think I've worked around such problem | 02:47 |
| djszapi | let me know how. | 02:47 |
| ajalkane | Basically if you just want to initialize the slider with the C++ backend's value, and then update the C++ value when it's changed | 02:47 |
| djszapi | that is not what I want to. | 02:48 |
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| djszapi | let me put it short what I want to have: | 02:48 |
| djszapi | two way sync up, like QSlider and QSpinBox in the "old" days. | 02:48 |
| ajalkane | Maybe you can put there Connections { target: kanagramEngineHelper; onHintHideTimeChanged: { hintAppearanceSlider.value = kanagramEngineHelper.hintHideTime } | 02:50 |
| ajalkane | remove it from Slider's value property | 02:50 |
| djszapi | but how would the slider value be initialized then with the kanagramEngineHelper's hintHide property ? | 02:52 |
| ajalkane | You can initialize it in Component.onCompleted | 02:52 |
| djszapi | still, I do not see it a different logic | 02:52 |
| djszapi | I just see it a different implementation lego | 02:53 |
| djszapi | but the logic is the same. | 02:53 |
| ajalkane | Should be same result, done a bit differently | 02:53 |
| ajalkane | I'm not sure it removes the issue, but it's a hunch | 02:53 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: is it okay to put the Connections element outside of the uttermost Rectangle on the page ? | 02:57 |
| ajalkane | Yes. Usually should be inside the Page element | 02:57 |
| ajalkane | Or whatever is the root | 02:58 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: this slider then ? http://paste.kde.org/197612/ | 03:00 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: yeah, does that work? | 03:01 |
| djszapi | that is not gonna work because the qml file is not about the slider as the root element | 03:02 |
| djszapi | as far as I can tell, Component can only be used for the root element. | 03:02 |
| ajalkane | you can move onCompleted to root | 03:02 |
| djszapi | no warning for the slider | 03:04 |
| ajalkane | That's good | 03:05 |
| djszapi | same connections for the switch then | 03:06 |
| ajalkane | yeah | 03:06 |
| ajalkane | good luck with QML funland. I'm going sleeping | 03:06 |
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| djszapi | Sazpaimon: ping | 08:28 |
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| Corsac | grah fuck, my N9 just felt and broke the glass | 09:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Damn. | 09:21 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 09:21 |
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| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 09:54 |
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| pawky | seems to be something fishy going on recarding E-mail certificates. You will not get a chance to update them if the provider changes the certificates, and recreating the account does not seem to help. Has anyone else noticed this problem? | 10:00 |
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| Corsac | SpeedEvil, itsnotabigtruck: I'll try to ask nokia care about that (I needed to send it on warranty because of random reboots issues anyway) | 10:27 |
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| djszapi | pawky: something fishy again ? :) | 10:29 |
| djszapi | ~seen bergie | 10:33 |
| infobot | bergie <~bergie@nemein.hietalahti.nemein.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 22h 14m 10s ago, saying: 'http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/call_for_presentations-open_mobile_linux_at_fosdem_2012/'. | 10:33 |
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| djszapi | mmm, I do not see any options exposed for having a "bold: true;" Label text, but I might be wrong. Is there something like that or do I need to go back for using Text ? I do not even see such a property in LabelStyle. | 10:46 |
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| djszapi | ohhh, font.bold. Interesting Text worked with simply bold. | 10:52 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there a way to automatically merge duplicate contacts? | 10:53 |
| Corsac | a bad sync created a lot of dupes :/ | 10:54 |
| ArkanoiD_ | Corsac, *NO*. | 10:55 |
| Corsac | grmbl | 10:56 |
| matrixx | talking about dupe contacts.. annoying cause even after manual merge, I have to select which number to call from two options, even if the numbers are exactly same >:| | 11:01 |
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| admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: ping | 11:38 |
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| artemma | My app was rejected for "When launching the application, only a blank black screen is displayed"... | 11:52 |
| artemma | oups | 11:52 |
| artemma | as you can guess works totally fine on my devices :/ | 11:52 |
| admiral0 | artemma: nokia uses oompa-loompas as testers so they can't be wrong | 11:54 |
| artemma | I also noticed that sometimes you just resubmit and result is different | 11:55 |
| artemma | but black screen.. | 11:55 |
| artemma | there got to be some reason probably | 11:55 |
| admiral0 | pr 1.0? | 11:55 |
| artemma | might be, but how do I test on pr 1.0 | 11:55 |
| artemma | ? | 11:55 |
| * artemma goes to rda to see if there are some 1.0 devices | 11:56 | |
| artemma | hmm.. my app operates on swype settings files, maybe it fails if there are no swype settings files.. | 11:56 |
| artemma | Does anybody remember if there was swype in PR 1.0? | 11:57 |
| tomma | not on n9 | 11:57 |
| admiral0 | artemma: problem found | 11:57 |
| artemma | aha, that could be the reason | 11:57 |
| admiral0 | oompa loompa was right | 11:57 |
| artemma | gosh, how do I submit an app that requires a certain firmware version?? | 11:58 |
| admiral0 | you just pop up "Fuck you, upgrade to at least 1.1" | 11:58 |
| artemma | that's a possibility.. still not super nice for a paid app probably | 11:59 |
| artemma | even for a free one it's not so cool | 11:59 |
| admiral0 | upgrade is available for free everywhere | 11:59 |
| admiral0 | you say it in the description | 12:00 |
| phako | you sure? | 12:00 |
| phako | I think there might be one or two regions stuck on 1.0 | 12:00 |
| phako | or operators | 12:00 |
| artemma | who reads a description this far.. | 12:00 |
| tomma | i think somewhere they said that application has to work in all versions | 12:00 |
| CissWit | indeed :) | 12:00 |
| artemma | heh, maybe a question for ovi developers group | 12:01 |
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| CissWit | i'm still with 1.0 and the "232" repository, which is configured, is down. | 12:02 |
| admiral0 | phako: http://g.static.memegenerator.net/cache/instances/500x/13/13578/13904702.jpg | 12:03 |
| artemma | hmm, actually my app starts when no swype files are present. Displays empty and useless lists, but not a black screen :/ | 12:04 |
| * ArkanoiD_ wonders if n950's pr1.2 is final or there will be another beta | 12:06 | |
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| admiral0 | ArkanoiD_: if someone finds some kind of exploit for aegis be sure there will be another beta | 12:06 |
| kimju | I've understood that it is final, unless there is some real showstoppers found | 12:07 |
| * artemma really hopes there will be another iteration of pr1.2 Maps are still crappily slo-o-o-ow | 12:10 | |
| artemma | BTW, a guy I know told some ovi store ppl told him that surprisingly [to them] not many people upgrade firmware. So there's still lots of folks on PR1.0 probably | 12:11 |
| phako | what do you expect? Normal users usually don't even change settings | 12:13 |
| petteri | even one of my nerd friend do not upgrade, but still complains about the bugs in PR1.0 | 12:14 |
| artemma | somebody told me there's no PR1.0 device in remote device access.. | 12:15 |
| * artemma goes to RDA to check it | 12:15 | |
| artemma | Does SW 10.2011.34-1 sound like PR1.0? | 12:16 |
| kimju | yes. | 12:17 |
| kimju | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/23/harmattan-version-numbering-explained | 12:17 |
| ArkanoiD_ | kimju: i think there are, but it is unclear if nokia agrees to that | 12:17 |
| artemma | ok, then there's one 1.0 device in RDA | 12:18 |
| artemma | oups, suddenly it showed error message in landscape (can't install not from ovi store unless Setting changed) and I can't tap on the OK button :) | 12:19 |
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| kimju | ArkanoiD_, "showstoppers" at this point would probably mean something like "bricks half of the devices out there" or something similar :) | 12:20 |
| ArkanoiD_ | kimju, https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 is pretty close to that | 12:21 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge | 12:21 |
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| kimju | nah, the device is still booting and able to receive updates. thus not a brick. | 12:26 |
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| * djszapi might be the owner of yet another N9 \o/ | 14:28 | |
| Corsac | mpf | 14:29 |
| Corsac | Nokia care center said they would check if they can get a new n9 glass | 14:29 |
| Corsac | but that it could take a week | 14:29 |
| jreznik | won another phone from nokia - now e6, so with c7, n900, n950, n9 and l800 it's a nice collection :) | 14:30 |
| Aard | you managed to break it? | 14:30 |
| djszapi | jreznik: almost the same collection with 3 N9s :) | 14:31 |
| jreznik | and I have to admit - I really like e6 | 14:31 |
| * djszapi should begin to write the slides for FOSDEM.. | 14:33 | |
| * jreznik will try to be there... looks like I'll be quite busy - meet some red hatters I have to talk, fedora booth service and some of course some fun - meeting people :) | 14:35 | |
| Corsac | Aard: yes | 14:39 |
| djszapi | jreznik: nice :) | 14:39 |
| Aard | Corsac: how? | 14:40 |
| Corsac | it felt :/ | 14:40 |
| djszapi | btw I mentioned yesterday how to change the caption of the keyboard button from QML. This is the way from C++: https://gitorious.org/maliit/maliit-framework/trees/0.80/examples/apps/twofields | 14:40 |
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| pawky | djszapi: certainly something fishy... I am imagening it has something to do with Aegis again, or the bug not being able to change your user password stuff once the account is created. Do you have any clues why the old certificates seem to stick? | 15:42 |
| djszapi | I do not recall any aegis issues previously in your case... | 15:43 |
| djszapi | are you sure I am the person you talked to ? | 15:43 |
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| faenil | heya people :) | 17:14 |
| djszapi | 'lo | 17:19 |
| faenil | didn't the 1.2 sdk update bring qt 4.8 ? | 17:21 |
| djszapi | no | 17:21 |
| RST38h | which reminds me | 17:22 |
| djszapi | 4.7 and 4.8 are not behavior compatible | 17:22 |
| RST38h | have to update the bloody sdk | 17:22 |
| faenil | omg... | 17:22 |
| djszapi | so if they were doing that, they would kinda break the stuff | 17:22 |
| RST38h | holy shit | 17:22 |
| faenil | djszapi: what's the point of that? not including latest libraries in the sdk? how am I to use them | 17:22 |
| RST38h | have the original qt authors abandoned the ship by now? | 17:22 |
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| djszapi | faenil: why would the harmattan qt maintainers break the whole platform for no real reasons ? | 17:23 |
| faenil | djszapi: releasing qt4.8 and not letting people use it is sane instead, isnt it? | 17:24 |
| djszapi | qt4.8 was not released for Harmattan | 17:24 |
| faenil | oh right, we got a misunderstanding here... | 17:25 |
| faenil | I was talking about desktop qt | 17:25 |
| djszapi | imho, qt 4.8 is a pain | 17:25 |
| djszapi | it broke many apps in ovi already. | 17:25 |
| djszapi | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-January/001705.html | 17:25 |
| faenil | I'm sure they had to make that | 17:25 |
| djszapi | and it broke gluon as well on desktop | 17:26 |
| djszapi | and many other projects. | 17:26 |
| djszapi | no, the did not have to. | 17:26 |
| djszapi | and they will actually revert it. | 17:26 |
| djszapi | it was a mistake. | 17:26 |
| faenil | ok | 17:26 |
| faenil | but still, I read 4.8 desktop in the updater.. | 17:26 |
| faenil | and I have no 4.8 here... | 17:27 |
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| faenil | back, damn wifi module | 17:31 |
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| faenil | there is a Desktop Qt 4.8.0 in the update.. | 17:37 |
| faenil | with description "development libraries for development on desktop" | 17:37 |
| faenil | but there's no 4.8 target in qt creator... | 17:37 |
| djszapi | yes, of course. | 17:37 |
| faenil | ? | 17:38 |
| sp3000 | desktop development libraries for desktop development on desktop? | 17:39 |
| sp3000 | there's always room for improvement :P | 17:39 |
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| faenil | ahahah | 17:39 |
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| faenil | has anyone found a solution for Qml Flickable using ROUNDED contentX and contentY? | 17:46 |
| faenil | that's a BIIIIIIIIIG issue | 17:46 |
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| mgedmin | now, where's that imgur uploader app? | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | not in ovi store yet, apparently | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80822 the latest version? | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | ZogG_laptop, is 0.0.6.5 the latest imgrup version? | 18:09 |
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| beford | Yesterday , 03:42 PM | 18:11 |
| beford | posted yesterday so I think it is | 18:11 |
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| mgedmin | oh, really? I only noticed the 12-12-2011 date | 18:23 |
| mgedmin | ah, "last edited" is a zillion pages (and screenshots) down that page | 18:23 |
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| beford | yea :p | 18:35 |
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| * jreznik is going to have a shared talk @ fosdem :) not as interesting as djszapi one, but :) | 18:37 | |
| beford | it's something | 18:39 |
| beford | jk :P what is your talk about jreznik | 18:39 |
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| jreznik | beford: matahari, system management stuff, with zane bitter | 18:40 |
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| beford | http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/room/k3601 nice | 18:44 |
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| kevin_b | clear | 19:33 |
| kevin_b | sorry :') | 19:34 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: do you have a 128x128 or bigger apps4meego icon ? | 19:49 |
| djszapi | icon/image | 19:49 |
| RzR | hi | 20:02 |
| * RzR printed some gpg keys fp | 20:02 | |
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| artemma | does anybody remember if N950 SW 2.2011.39.5 is PR1.0 or PR1.1? | 20:20 |
| artemma | aha, PR1.1 apparently | 20:21 |
| matrixx | yeah I remember PR1.0 being something like w22 | 20:22 |
| artemma | damned, the only 1.0 device in remote device access (N9) doesn't play nice with the web console | 20:22 |
| artemma | it shows warning (can't install SW not from ovi store) and I cannot click OK | 20:22 |
| matrixx | :/ | 20:23 |
| artemma | it's a pity i can't reboot the device remotely | 20:23 |
| RzR | artemma: /sbin/reboot | 20:24 |
| artemma | RzR: I can't get to terminal without getting rid of that dialog :) | 20:24 |
| artemma | at least I don't know the way to | 20:24 |
| RzR | artemma: there is a reboot app in ovi store | 20:24 |
| artemma | still, you need to install and start app somehow | 20:24 |
| RzR | then fork bombing ? | 20:25 |
| * artemma is searching for some sort of reboot button in RDA | 20:25 | |
| artemma | and I think real reason is that touch events don't get delivered to screen | 20:26 |
| lizardo | artemma: if you can install .deb to the device, put a /sbin/reboot on the postinst for the package :) | 20:27 |
| artemma | lizardo: the dialog I am trying to dismiss is exactly the one that says that right now only apps from ovi store source are allowed :) | 20:27 |
| artemma | what I can do is to put files to file system (i think) | 20:28 |
| artemma | and rename/create folders maybe | 20:28 |
| lizardo | artemma: I thought you could install the app on RDA directly from Qt SDK... but I never used RDA for this, so it is just a guess :) | 20:29 |
| artemma | I don't know about sdk, always uploaded files there | 20:29 |
| artemma | aha, some touch event got delivered (lock screen unlock) | 20:29 |
| artemma | or maybe just unlock button reacted late | 20:29 |
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| Sazpaimon | so | 20:56 |
| Sazpaimon | qgvdial or sip gateway | 20:57 |
| Sazpaimon | that is the question | 20:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | under what circumstances is an unpackaged script (with the shebang line at the top) allowed to run? | 21:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i could swear it worked yesterday, now i'm getting a bunch of > ... verification failed (no reference hash) | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | shell scripts work on my N9 | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | with PR 1.1 | 21:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: yeah...this one's in /tmp if that matters | 21:11 |
| mgedmin | echo echo hi > /tmp/hi.sh && chmod +x /tmp/hi.sh && /tmp/hi.sh -> prints 'hi' | 21:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it did for me, yesterday | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, i accidentally deleted /bin/ping, copied it back, and aegis doesn't like it, despite the hash being a match | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any idea what might be failing, and how i can unscrew it? | 21:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't reinstall busybox-symlinks-iputils-ping because it's not in the repo | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | deleted how? rm or apt-get remove? | 21:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: rm | 21:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i expected aegis to block it...it didn't >_> | 21:16 |
| rm_work | rm! | 21:17 |
| * rm_work waves | 21:17 | |
| * rm_work disappears again | 21:17 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | hehe | 21:17 |
| mgedmin | sha1sum /bin/ping -> ac83102ba7265623b7199cf96dc845b7b985c5e7 | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yep, that's it | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the problem has to be the attributes | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or something | 21:18 |
| mgedmin | lsattr /bin/ping -> -----------------e- /bin/ping | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yep, that's the same | 21:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the modification timestamp is now today | 21:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw any idea what the 'A' component of a refhashlist line is, that could be a clue | 21:19 |
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| mgedmin | stat /bin/ping -> Modify: 2011-06-07 23:10:09.000000000, Change: 2011-08-31 07:33:34.000000000 | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | access mode is 0755, uid/gid are root:root | 21:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (S)ource, (H)ash, (A)???, (P)ackage, (R)elative Path | 21:20 |
| mgedmin | where do the aegis hashes live? | 21:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they're at /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist | 21:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the master list, which gets loaded into k-space during boot | 21:20 |
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| mgedmin | A 0 0 33261 | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah, i know what's going on | 21:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis goes by inode numbers | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | that's 0100755 in octal | 21:21 |
| mgedmin | I bet it's uid, gid and mode | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has the hash for /bin/ping's old inode number | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rebooting *should* fix it | 21:22 |
| mgedmin | inode where? | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: in /sys/kernel/security/validator/hashlist | 21:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which should have an entry for the inode number /bin/ping had during boot | 21:23 |
| mgedmin | ah! could be | 21:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | yay, that did the trick | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so, for reference, if you remove an aegis-protected file and copy it back, it won't work 'til you reboot | 21:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | to resync the k-space hashlist with the refhashlist | 21:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | but that doesn't explain why all of a sudden i can't run scripts | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | are you root? | 21:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yup | 21:30 |
| * mgedmin thought maybe aegis was trying to protect the root account from untrusted scripts, but then tried it on his n9 and found he can run scripts as root too | 21:31 | |
| mgedmin | are you testing my /tmp/hi.sh example, or something more complicated? | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | what's the shebang line, if any? | 21:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | here's the script: #!/bin/sh | 21:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | echo hi | 21:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 21:32 |
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| mgedmin | same here, worksforme | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 21:34 |
| mgedmin | is developer mode on? | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-01 20:34:50] [Notice] -NickServ- povbot` is not registered. | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: ^^^ | 21:35 |
| * mgedmin sighs | 21:35 | |
| mgedmin | I hate bots and bot writers | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | they all seem to think typing commands in irc windows directed to weird nicks is the bees knees in configuration UIs | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | editing config files is barely tolerated, and then you have to figure out which weird unix signal they want to reload | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | and let's not speak of the quality of documentation | 21:36 |
| mgedmin | so, tell me how I can have supybot register itself with nickserv and I'll get it done in 5 minutes | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 21:37 |
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| mgedmin | otherwise I'm afraid it might take a few hours to do the research | 21:37 |
| * mgedmin just ended one such foray into irc-land, figuring out how to convince znc to connect to a second irc server that uses SSL | 21:37 | |
| mgedmin | (turns out you insert a + in front of the port number, how intuitively obvious!) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: restart povbot | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | why? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | the YOU log in as povbot` and do /nickserv id povbot passowrdfoobar; /nickserv assoc | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | ah | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | except aren't I supposed to do /nickserv register or something first? | 21:41 |
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| mgedmin | assoc is for linking povbot` to the main povbot account, right? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, povbot already is registered, but povbot` isn't associated to the account | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/assoc/group/ | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | /msg NickServ help group | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | but first you need to get povbot` do /nick povbot | 21:44 |
| mgedmin | povbot already registered??? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | common problem cause by netsplits | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | //ns info povbot | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | /msg NickServ info povbot | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-01 20:45:02] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on povbot (account povbot): | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-01 20:45:02] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 01 19:44:05 2012 (57 seconds ago) | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | 57 seconds ago -- that was me | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-O | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | you said it was registered 5 minutes ago | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know povbot usually been registeed, nfc under which account | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | I'm currently logged in as povbot trying to do stuff | 21:46 |
| mgedmin | I've never registered it before | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-01 20:47:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 6 povbot!*@office.pov.lt +vVA (VOP) [modified 26 weeks, 5 days, 08:52:04 ago] | 21:47 |
| jesuschrist | hi | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 21:47 |
| jesuschrist | hey doc | 21:47 |
| jesuschrist | any bot here has the !seen function ? | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, povbot afaik | 21:48 |
| jesuschrist | in query ? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and infobot does ~seen | 21:48 |
| jesuschrist | does it accept wildcards | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 21:49 |
| jesuschrist | have you seen gry around ? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't post for a while, I got no join notifications | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | wr | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is wrong with chanserv? | 21:50 |
| jesuschrist | hes cool, dont be so mean | 21:50 |
| jesuschrist | :> | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Whois] povbot ist ~supybot@office.pov.lt (Supybot 0.80.0pre4) [Notice] -ChanServ- 6 povbot!*@office.pov.lt +vVA (VOP) | 21:51 |
| jesuschrist | guys anyone using web2sms succesfuly here ? | 21:51 |
| jesuschrist | they disabled the possibility do download apps from ovi store while connected to a pc | 21:53 |
| jesuschrist | anyone noticed it ? | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | http://supybook.fealdia.org/0.0.1/#_services_nickserv *headdesk* | 21:53 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v mgedmin | 21:54 | |
| mgedmin | I hate supybot sooo muuuuch | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: what about ignoring every "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" line in the OBS build log ? :) | 21:54 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -v mgedmin | 21:54 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v povbot | 21:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen povbot | 21:55 |
| infobot | povbot is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'Bug 12516: Error Message camera-ui: "Not enough memory to save photo"'. | 21:55 |
| povbot | infobot: Error: "is" is not a valid command. | 21:55 |
| infobot | povbot: i already had it that way | 21:55 |
| povbot | infobot: Error: "i" is not a valid command. | 21:56 |
| infobot | i already had it that way, povbot | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 21:57 |
| deram | nice feature, that it stopped that fast | 21:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: sorry to bug you, but see /query | 21:58 |
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| mgedmin | DocScrutinizerhow do I see if povbot is currently identified or not? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | /msg chanserv info povbot | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | err nickserv | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-01 21:10:32] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on povbot (account povbot): | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2012-02-01 21:10:32] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 01 19:44:05 2012 (26 minutes, 26 seconds ago) | 22:10 |
| mgedmin | that doesn't tell me if it's currently identified or not -- or does it? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | okay | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | registered means identified | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | ah, ok | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | I don't think it'll auto-identify when it reconnects | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | I've no idea where to put the nickserv password in my supybot config file | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | documentation, unsurprisingly, sucks | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been that server password thing | 22:12 |
| mgedmin | surely that's different from nickserv password? | 22:12 |
| mgedmin | there's a Services plugin that can nickserv identify | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, password is the same, but the syntax is oberweird | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth like changing your name to nick:password or sth | 22:13 |
| mgedmin | I don't have the strength for more of this bs today | 22:14 |
| mgedmin | I've told povbot what the password is using the 'password' command defined in the services plugin | 22:14 |
| mgedmin | I don't know if it'll be persisted somewhere or thrown away on restart | 22:14 |
| mgedmin | I know that supybot tries to overwrite the .conf file like every 5 minutes, which I don't want, so the file is chown'ed to root and not writable | 22:15 |
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| mgedmin | I guess we'll see | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify >> to make this work when connecting from a different nick than the one you've got registered use ':nick password'.<< | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | as server password!! | 22:18 |
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| djszapi | beford: it is also possible to set the enter key caption from C++. | 22:30 |
| djszapi | beford: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-02-01.log.html#t2012-02-01T14:40:36 (just for interesting note) | 22:31 |
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| beford | hey djszapi, thanks ! that's good to know | 22:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: the last imgrup is 0.0.6.5 | 23:07 |
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| asys3 | Pr1.2: Help needed! I overwrote my /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css - could anyone with PR1.2 please send me that file or could tell me how to extract it from the OCF file? | 23:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i advice next time to make backups | 23:24 |
| djszapi | asys3: I can. | 23:24 |
| asys3 | would be great! | 23:24 |
| asys3 | @ZogG: Didn't expect different behaviour according to this between n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-( | 23:25 |
| djszapi | http://paste.xinu.at/iLd/ | 23:26 |
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| asys3 | @djszapi: Many thanks!! you safed my night ;-) | 23:27 |
| djszapi | hehe :p | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | asys3: what irc client u use? | 23:28 |
| asys3 | xchat, why? | 23:29 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: do you have time for writing a FOSDEM schedule app with qt-components ? : P | 23:30 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: hehe, certainly I don't | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-( | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-( | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-( | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-( | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | 01:26 djszapi : http://paste.xinu.at/iLd/ | 23:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | 01:27 trx ~ns-tea n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-( | 23:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | 01:26 djszapi : http://paste.xinu.at/iLd/ | 23:31 |
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| djszapi | what is wrong with you dude ? :) | 23:32 |
| ajalkane | having a family sucks for code habbit :P | 23:32 |
| djszapi | menat to ask it from from ZogG_laptop :p | 23:32 |
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| ajalkane | phew | 23:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | 01:27 trx ~ns-tea | 23:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh f# | 23:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | sorry | 23:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | dman latop | 23:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | accidently copy pasted | 23:34 |
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| asys3 | ZogG: can't see that here ?! djszapi: could you confirm the output of my irc client here? | 23:35 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: I believe I can use one connections for that: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/MainSettingsPage.qml#L46 | 23:35 |
| djszapi | asys3: ack | 23:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | asys3: here where? | 23:36 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: yes, one Connections is enough if the target is the same | 23:36 |
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| asys3 | ok, the sorry for that - thanks for the help - next time I'll use another client or try to change the settings!! | 23:37 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: Component.onCompleted: {value: kanagramEngineHelper.resolveTime;} | 23:53 |
| djszapi | why does it warn me on cli I should use "=" instead of ":" ? | 23:53 |
| djszapi | is it correct this way ? | 23:53 |
| ajalkane | yes, : is for initializing properties, when assigning it's = | 23:53 |
| djszapi | and it is a script | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | You could formalize it as : is for the declarative part, = for the procedural scripting | 23:54 |
| djszapi | so it should be "=". | 23:54 |
| djszapi | and this is scripting | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | yeah, it must be = | 23:54 |
| djszapi | it did not work | 23:54 |
| djszapi | with ":" | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | you can't just use value, you must use id.value unless that was just example | 23:55 |
| ajalkane | what's the error? | 23:55 |
| djszapi | there was no error on cli | 23:56 |
| djszapi | that is the problem | 23:56 |
| djszapi | I can use value because it is inside the element | 23:56 |
| djszapi | so it was a silent runtime issue | 23:56 |
| djszapi | I normally get warnings for those, not sure why not this time ... | 23:56 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: in those cases I use console.log to determine where it breaks down | 23:56 |
| djszapi | that is not my main concern | 23:57 |
| djszapi | the gist is the thingie it did not warn. | 23:57 |
| ajalkane | if it's inside the element where value is valid, why would it warn? | 23:57 |
| ajalkane | oh ok, I think now I understand | 23:58 |
| ajalkane | It didn't warn about value: ... where it should have been value = | 23:58 |
| ajalkane | I've often gotten warnings about that kind of stuff, so seems like a bug | 23:59 |
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