IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2012-02-01

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TronicHow to restore installed apps after restoring a backup?01:01
TronicIt shows me a list of the apps I had installed but no button to actually restore them.01:01
djszapiI have never seen such a restore functionality in any package managers.01:04
TronicI guess I could install the apps one by one by clicking them individually but I am afraid of losing the list if I try.01:05
TronicAlready lost it once by clicking the icon in bottom left corner, apparently there is no way to go back to the list after that.01:06
Tronic(except re-restoring the backup, which is what I did)01:06
djszapijust grep for the installed packages and feed dpkg with it01:07
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itsnotabigtruckTronic: hm01:22
itsnotabigtruckhow about just jotting the names down01:22
itsnotabigtruckalso, under what circumstances do aegis privileges propagate down to spawned processes?01:22
merlin1991djszapi: "I have never seen such a restore functionality in any package managers." well ham on maemo5 did it01:24
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djszapimerlin1991: it is one long command01:25
djszapiwhy would be builtin in any package manager ?01:26
merlin1991I don't know01:26
merlin1991but it simply is01:26
djszapinot that I am aware of01:26
djszapion desktop distributions01:26
djszapinor on Harmattan, Android, etc.01:26
djszapinot much addition to a package manager really.01:26
merlin1991run a backup on a n900, restore it, open ham title menu --> "restore applications" is there01:26
djszapiand since 1% uses it, it is an issue to clutter the package manager.01:27
merlin1991and it does reinstall apps according to a list that came from the backup01:27
djszapiwhy cannot 1% type a command?01:27
djszapiI mean if it is a hard thing to do, and 90% requires it, it is ok.01:28
merlin1991because it is a consumer device and you're not supposed to "type a command" in order to get your application state back?01:28
befordit doesn't have to be 'built on the package manager' just ont he restore application :P01:28
djszapiwhy not write an ovi app ?01:28
djszapiI mean seriously, wrapping one command into a ui app is not hard01:29
djszapiif one command is really that problematic01:29
djszapiand this is really not a common need.01:29
merlin1991I mean seriously why do when it already is there01:29
djszapito get into the builtin stuff01:29
djszapithe thing is that above, it is not there.01:30
merlin1991when the builtin stuff already remembers the list there is no point int *not* providing a way to easily install01:30
merlin1991why would I store the list in the first place?01:31
merlin1991so mock the user?01:31
djszapisame thing with QTimer01:31
djszapiit could have a pause method01:31
djszapibut it does not have because it is not a common need01:31
merlin1991here is your list of installed applications, now have fun trying to install them all again, huh?01:31
djszapiso why bother with one thing that 1% requests ?01:31
djszapior 5%, or 10% ?01:32
merlin1991why does it even show the fsckd list then?01:32
djszapiand not 95% ?01:32
merlin1991which 95% do need that?01:32
djszapito clutter the stuff for no real need for /everybody/ ?01:32
merlin1991I don't see the rationale for a list without functionality, over a list that enables me to get the apps back01:32
merlin1991either enable me todo so, or drop the whole list01:32
beford'do you want to restore the installed applications, yes/no'01:33
merlin1991^^ exactly01:33
djszapiI would drop the list.01:33
djszapiand let the 5% (or whatever small amount) make a community app.01:33
befordthen whats the point of creating a backup and 'restore' if you can just reflash and get stock ?  :P01:34
merlin1991beford: because you *can't* reflash from a nokia pov01:35
merlin1991only care can do that for you01:35
djszapihow can I make a page scrollable (not flickable) ?01:39
befordmerlin1991,  I had to reflash my phone using Nokia Software Update, I did a 'reset' from the phone menu and I was unable to activate dev mode and install stuff, so I just used NSU and it applied the same fw. doesn't NSU reflash the whole thing? I don't remember creating a backup :P01:40
djszapiwithout ListView, mainly.01:40
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ajalkanewhat's wrong with flickable?01:40
itsnotabigtruckbeford: when i went to pr1.2 it left the emmc alone and only did the rootfs01:40
djszapiajalkane: not sure01:41
djszapiajalkane: when I am trying to scroll the page down, it is getting back to the top after I release the tapping.01:41
djszapiso I cannot effectively go to the "real" bottom of the page.01:41
djszapiand click on stuff there01:42
ajalkaneI have no such problems. You set properly contentHeight?01:42
djszapinot sure01:42
djszapisorry, not that one..01:43
djszapithis one:
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djszapibeford: what is wrong with wrapping a long command with a qml ui as simple as a querydialog ?01:45
djszapiif you do really need that for some reason ?01:45
ajalkanedjszapi: your Columns lack height01:45
ajalkaneUse height: childrenRect.height01:45
djszapinot sure what you mean01:46
ajalkaneNo height property in your Columns inside Flickable01:46
djszapiwhy would that not be implicit ?01:46
djszapiyet another qml bug ? :D01:47
ajalkaneNo idea. Or just one of those "live and learn" situations. QML sometimes throws funny surprises.01:47
djszapitoo much of them :)01:48
djszapiand some of them cannot even be learned.01:48
djszapilike my bugreport this morning that I cannot reproduce anywhere else, just in my application, and "randomly".01:48
djszapiand no workaround :D01:48
djszapiajalkane: essentially the same after the height settings as well01:55
djszapiajalkane: I can send you the debian file, if you wanna see the settings page on your own :)01:56
djszapiajalkane: setting the heights for the columns did not make it any better. :/01:56
ajalkaneany binding loop warnings or other warnings there?01:56
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djszapiajalkane: yes, binding loop warning thingie01:58
ajalkaneI'm using such Flickables a lot without problems, you can try and see if you spot what I'm doing differently for example on this page:
ajalkaneIs the binding loop about any property related to height?01:58
ajalkaneEliminate it and your problem probably goes away01:58
ajalkanedjszapi: your Column has anchors: fill: parent, yet Flickable has contentHeight to the same column02:00
ajalkaneIt's a loop that can't be resolved02:00
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djszapiajalkane: without that filling, I am getting one letter per row02:05
ajalkanedjszapi: you just have to figure out another way to set width and height02:06
ajalkaneyou can use the root object for width02:06
ajalkaneand the childrenRect for height02:06
djszapieven the flickable one actually02:07
djszapino need for root02:07
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djszapiajalkane: now everything is in one row02:14
ajalkanegood. Them binding loops can be annoying to figure out sometimes02:15
djszapiexcept that there is no binding loop right now02:15
ajalkaneah you mean items that should be in column are in one row?02:16
ajalkanecheck that your items in the column have height02:16
djszapiI do not think I need this childrenRect.height thingie02:17
djszapiok it now works02:18
djszapithe childrenRect.height thingie made the column row02:18
djszapiI always used childrenRect for only Row preivously.02:19
djszapithat is why I did not understand why you advised it02:19
djszapibut it is apparently designed for Rows.02:19
ajalkaneI'm using it for columns too. Don't remember why. Perhaps it's unnecessary then02:19
djszapiimo, the Switch has quite a small width by default.02:20
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djszapiajalkane: anyway, thanks. =)02:22
djszapiajalkane: if you could take a look at my other binding loop thingie..02:23
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ajalkanenp, i can try02:24
djszapiqrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:92:17: QML Slider: Binding loop detected for property "value"02:25
djszapiqrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:159:17: QML Switch: Binding loop detected for property "checked"02:25
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ieatlinti would guess that the signal is somehow triggering a loop...02:32
djszapiif I change the to property int b: 0; in that file.02:33
djszapiand use 'b' at the binding thingie02:33
djszapiI do not get this loop thingie02:33
djszapior even if I use yet another exposed Q_PROPERTY thingie02:33
djszapiso it is kinda "random".02:33
ajalkaneit depends what it's named? Or of the property type or what?02:34
djszapino real clue02:34
djszapiI spent almost my whole day with writing a skeleton for reproducing the issue, but could not get such a skeleton error-prone02:34
ajalkaneThe underlying Slider.value object is C++. I don't have time to check how it's defined02:35
ajalkaneMaybe there's something shitty with its definition02:35
djszapi the signal is emit for value changed only02:35
djszapiso there is no problem with the onValueChanged signal imho02:36
djszapiso if I use "property int b: 0;" instead of my exposed property, no binding loop warning02:36
djszapiand for certain other properties either02:36
djszapi(also, the app works fine wrt the sliders, "just" warning on the console)02:37
djszapi -> here you can find the exposed property thingy02:38
ajalkanedoes the warning come just once or whenever you move slider?02:39
djszapijust while launching the app02:39
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djszapiso just once during the launch.02:39
djszapiso probably when the page is initialized02:40
djszapi -> initialized from the main.qml -> That is what I would believe.02:40
AranelN9where is the SMS database for N9? Is there  some file like el.db?02:41
djszapior maybe they reduced the warning only for the realization of the code, and not for every run02:41
ajalkanemaybe that checking is done on QML parsing time02:41
admiral0RzR: ping02:41
djszapiajalkane: so what is the difference between an own property and "property int binding: 0;" ?02:42
djszapiwrt the issue in question.02:42
ajalkaneshould of course make no difference02:43
ajalkaneI would guess one would have to look at the underlying Slider C++ code to get to the root of this problem02:43
djszapiI was considering the naming of my NOTIFY Signal02:43
djszapiajalkane: btw, I have a skeleton02:43
ajalkanewhat's the type of hintHideTime?02:43
djszapiwith a custom C++ object and properties02:43
djszapiusing Slider02:43
djszapiand no problem there.02:43
djszapiand not that I could mention a workaround for this problem.02:44
djszapiajalkane: int:
djszapiajalkane: working skeleton details:
ajalkaneCan't really say I understand exactly what's going on, but I think I've worked around such problem02:47
djszapilet me know how.02:47
ajalkaneBasically if you just want to initialize the slider with the C++ backend's value, and then update the C++ value when it's changed02:47
djszapithat is not what I want to.02:48
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djszapilet me put it short what I want to have:02:48
djszapitwo way sync up, like QSlider and QSpinBox in the "old" days.02:48
ajalkaneMaybe you can put there Connections { target: kanagramEngineHelper; onHintHideTimeChanged: { hintAppearanceSlider.value = kanagramEngineHelper.hintHideTime }02:50
ajalkaneremove it from Slider's value property02:50
djszapibut how would the slider value be initialized then with the kanagramEngineHelper's hintHide property ?02:52
ajalkaneYou can initialize it in Component.onCompleted02:52
djszapistill, I do not see it a different logic02:52
djszapiI just see it a different implementation lego02:53
djszapibut the logic is the same.02:53
ajalkaneShould be same result, done a bit differently02:53
ajalkaneI'm not sure it removes the issue, but it's a hunch02:53
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djszapiajalkane: is it okay to put the Connections element outside of the uttermost Rectangle on the page ?02:57
ajalkaneYes. Usually should be inside the Page element02:57
ajalkaneOr whatever is the root02:58
djszapiajalkane: this slider then ?
ajalkanedjszapi: yeah, does that work?03:01
djszapithat is not gonna work because the qml file is not about the slider as the root element03:02
djszapias far as I can tell, Component can only be used for the root element.03:02
ajalkaneyou can move onCompleted to root03:02
djszapino warning for the slider03:04
ajalkaneThat's good03:05
djszapisame connections for the switch then03:06
ajalkanegood luck with QML funland. I'm going sleeping03:06
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djszapiSazpaimon: ping08:28
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Corsacgrah fuck, my N9 just felt and broke the glass09:18
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itsnotabigtruckCorsac: x-| damn09:37
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RST38hWell. Moo.09:54
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pawkyseems to be something fishy going on recarding E-mail certificates. You will not get a chance to update them if the provider changes the certificates, and recreating the account does not seem to help. Has anyone else noticed this problem?10:00
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CorsacSpeedEvil, itsnotabigtruck: I'll try to ask nokia care about that (I needed to send it on warranty because of random reboots issues anyway)10:27
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djszapipawky: something fishy again ? :)10:29
djszapi~seen bergie10:33
infobotbergie <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 22h 14m 10s ago, saying: ''.10:33
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djszapimmm, I do not see any options exposed for having a "bold: true;" Label text, but I might be wrong. Is there something like that or do I need to go back for using Text ? I do not even see such a property in LabelStyle.10:46
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djszapiohhh, font.bold. Interesting Text worked with simply bold.10:52
Corsachmhm, is there a way to automatically merge duplicate contacts?10:53
Corsaca bad sync created a lot of dupes :/10:54
ArkanoiD_Corsac, *NO*.10:55
matrixxtalking about dupe contacts.. annoying cause even after manual merge, I have to select which number to call from two options, even if the numbers are exactly same >:|11:01
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admiral0itsnotabigtruck: ping11:38
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artemmaMy app was rejected for "When launching the application, only a blank black screen is displayed"...11:52
artemmaas you can guess works totally fine on my devices :/11:52
admiral0artemma: nokia uses oompa-loompas as testers so they can't be wrong11:54
artemmaI also noticed that sometimes you just resubmit and result is different11:55
artemmabut black screen..11:55
artemmathere got to be some reason probably11:55
admiral0pr 1.0?11:55
artemmamight be, but how do I test on pr 1.011:55
* artemma goes to rda to see if there are some 1.0 devices11:56
artemmahmm.. my app operates on swype settings files, maybe it fails if there are no swype settings files..11:56
artemmaDoes anybody remember if there was swype in PR 1.0?11:57
tommanot on n911:57
admiral0artemma: problem found11:57
artemmaaha, that could be the reason11:57
admiral0oompa loompa was right11:57
artemmagosh, how do I submit an app that requires a certain firmware version??11:58
admiral0you just pop up "Fuck you, upgrade to at least 1.1"11:58
artemmathat's a possibility.. still not super nice for a paid app probably11:59
artemmaeven for a free one it's not so cool11:59
admiral0upgrade is available for free everywhere11:59
admiral0you say it in the description12:00
phakoyou sure?12:00
phakoI think there might be one or two regions stuck on 1.012:00
phakoor operators12:00
artemmawho reads a description this far..12:00
tommai think somewhere they said that application has to work in all versions12:00
CissWitindeed :)12:00
artemmaheh, maybe a question for ovi developers group12:01
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CissWiti'm still with 1.0 and the "232" repository, which is configured, is down.12:02
artemmahmm, actually my app starts when no swype files are present. Displays empty and useless lists, but not a black screen :/12:04
* ArkanoiD_ wonders if n950's pr1.2 is final or there will be another beta12:06
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admiral0ArkanoiD_: if someone finds some kind of exploit for aegis be sure there will be another beta12:06
kimjuI've understood that it is final, unless there is some real showstoppers found12:07
* artemma really hopes there will be another iteration of pr1.2 Maps are still crappily slo-o-o-ow12:10
artemmaBTW, a guy I know told some ovi store ppl told him that surprisingly [to them] not many people upgrade firmware. So there's still lots of folks on PR1.0 probably12:11
phakowhat do you expect? Normal users usually don't even change settings12:13
petterieven one of my nerd friend do not upgrade, but still complains about the bugs in PR1.012:14
artemmasomebody told me there's no PR1.0 device in remote device access..12:15
* artemma goes to RDA to check it12:15
artemmaDoes SW 10.2011.34-1 sound like PR1.0?12:16
ArkanoiD_kimju: i think there are, but it is unclear if nokia agrees to that12:17
artemmaok, then there's one 1.0 device in RDA12:18
artemmaoups, suddenly it showed error message in landscape (can't install not from ovi store unless Setting changed) and I can't tap on the OK button :)12:19
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kimjuArkanoiD_, "showstoppers" at this point would probably mean something like "bricks half of the devices out there" or something similar :)12:20
ArkanoiD_kimju, is pretty close to that12:21
_MeeGoBot_Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge12:21
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kimjunah, the device is still booting and able to receive updates. thus not a brick.12:26
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* djszapi might be the owner of yet another N9 \o/14:28
CorsacNokia care center said they would check if they can get a new n9 glass14:29
Corsacbut that it could take a week14:29
jreznikwon another phone from nokia - now e6, so with c7, n900, n950, n9 and l800 it's a nice collection :)14:30
Aardyou managed to break it?14:30
djszapijreznik: almost the same collection with 3 N9s :)14:31
jreznikand I have to admit - I really like e614:31
* djszapi should begin to write the slides for FOSDEM..14:33
* jreznik will try to be there... looks like I'll be quite busy - meet some red hatters I have to talk, fedora booth service and some of course some fun - meeting people :)14:35
CorsacAard: yes14:39
djszapijreznik: nice :)14:39
AardCorsac: how?14:40
Corsacit felt :/14:40
djszapibtw I mentioned yesterday how to change the caption of the keyboard button from QML. This is the way from C++:
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pawkydjszapi: certainly something fishy... I am imagening it has something to do with Aegis again, or the bug not being able to change your user password stuff once the account is created. Do you have any clues why the old certificates seem to stick?15:42
djszapiI do not recall any aegis issues previously in your case...15:43
djszapiare you sure I am the person you talked to ?15:43
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faenilheya people :)17:14
faenildidn't the 1.2 sdk update bring qt 4.8 ?17:21
RST38hwhich reminds me17:22
djszapi4.7 and 4.8 are not behavior compatible17:22
RST38hhave to update the bloody sdk17:22
djszapiso if they were doing that, they would kinda break the stuff17:22
RST38hholy shit17:22
faenildjszapi: what's the point of that? not including latest libraries in the sdk? how am I to use them17:22
RST38hhave the original qt authors abandoned the ship by now?17:22
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djszapifaenil: why would the harmattan qt maintainers break the whole platform for no real reasons ?17:23
faenildjszapi: releasing qt4.8 and not letting people use it is sane instead, isnt it?17:24
djszapiqt4.8 was not released for Harmattan17:24
faeniloh right, we got a misunderstanding here...17:25
faenilI was talking about desktop qt17:25
djszapiimho, qt 4.8 is a pain17:25
djszapiit broke many apps in ovi already.17:25
faenilI'm sure they had to make that17:25
djszapiand it broke gluon as well on desktop17:26
djszapiand many other projects.17:26
djszapino, the did not have to.17:26
djszapiand they will actually revert it.17:26
djszapiit was a mistake.17:26
faenilbut still, I read 4.8 desktop in the updater..17:26
faeniland I have no 4.8 here...17:27
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faenilback, damn wifi module17:31
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faenilthere is a Desktop Qt 4.8.0 in the update..17:37
faenilwith description "development libraries for development on desktop"17:37
faenilbut there's no 4.8 target in qt creator...17:37
djszapiyes, of course.17:37
sp3000desktop development libraries for desktop development on desktop?17:39
sp3000there's always room for improvement :P17:39
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faenilhas anyone found a solution for Qml Flickable using ROUNDED contentX and contentY?17:46
faenilthat's a BIIIIIIIIIG issue17:46
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mgedminnow, where's that imgur uploader app?18:06
mgedminnot in ovi store yet, apparently18:07
mgedminis the latest version?18:08
mgedminZogG_laptop, is the latest imgrup version?18:09
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befordYesterday , 03:42 PM18:11
befordposted yesterday so I think it is18:11
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mgedminoh, really?  I only noticed the 12-12-2011 date18:23
mgedminah, "last edited" is a zillion pages (and screenshots) down that page18:23
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befordyea :p18:35
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* jreznik is going to have a shared talk @ fosdem :) not as interesting as djszapi one, but :)18:37
befordit's something18:39
befordjk :P what is your talk about jreznik18:39
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jreznikbeford: matahari, system management stuff, with zane bitter18:40
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beford nice18:44
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kevin_bsorry :')19:34
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djszapiX-Fade: do you have a 128x128 or bigger apps4meego icon ?19:49
* RzR printed some gpg keys fp20:02
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artemmadoes anybody remember if N950 SW 2.2011.39.5 is PR1.0 or PR1.1?20:20
artemmaaha, PR1.1 apparently20:21
matrixxyeah I remember PR1.0 being something like w2220:22
artemmadamned, the only 1.0 device in remote device access (N9) doesn't play nice with the web console20:22
artemmait shows warning (can't install SW not from ovi store) and I cannot click OK20:22
artemmait's a pity i can't reboot the device remotely20:23
RzRartemma: /sbin/reboot20:24
artemmaRzR: I can't get to terminal without getting rid of that dialog :)20:24
artemmaat least I don't know the way to20:24
RzRartemma: there is a reboot app in ovi store20:24
artemmastill, you need to install and start app somehow20:24
RzRthen fork bombing ?20:25
* artemma is searching for some sort of reboot button in RDA20:25
artemmaand I think real reason is that touch events don't get delivered to screen20:26
lizardoartemma: if you can install .deb to the device, put  a /sbin/reboot on the postinst for the package :)20:27
artemmalizardo: the dialog I am trying to dismiss is exactly the one that says that right now only apps from ovi store source are allowed :)20:27
artemmawhat I can do is to put files to file system (i think)20:28
artemmaand rename/create folders maybe20:28
lizardoartemma: I thought you could install the app on RDA directly from Qt SDK... but I never used RDA for this, so it is just a guess :)20:29
artemmaI don't know about sdk, always uploaded files there20:29
artemmaaha, some touch event got delivered (lock screen unlock)20:29
artemmaor maybe just unlock button reacted late20:29
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Sazpaimonqgvdial or sip gateway20:57
Sazpaimonthat is the question20:57
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itsnotabigtruckunder what circumstances is an unpackaged script (with the shebang line at the top) allowed to run?21:09
itsnotabigtrucki could swear it worked yesterday, now i'm getting a bunch of > ... verification failed (no reference hash)21:10
mgedminshell scripts work on my N921:10
mgedminwith PR 1.121:10
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: yeah...this one's in /tmp if that matters21:11
mgedminecho echo hi > /tmp/ && chmod +x /tmp/ && /tmp/ -> prints 'hi'21:12
itsnotabigtruckand it did for me, yesterday21:13
itsnotabigtruckalso, i accidentally deleted /bin/ping, copied it back, and aegis doesn't like it, despite the hash being a match21:13
itsnotabigtruckany idea what might be failing, and how i can unscrew it?21:13
itsnotabigtruckcan't reinstall busybox-symlinks-iputils-ping because it's not in the repo21:14
mgedmindeleted how? rm or apt-get remove?21:15
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: rm21:16
itsnotabigtrucki expected aegis to block didn't >_>21:16
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mgedminsha1sum /bin/ping -> ac83102ba7265623b7199cf96dc845b7b985c5e721:18
itsnotabigtruckyep, that's it21:18
itsnotabigtruckthe problem has to be the attributes21:18
itsnotabigtruckor something21:18
mgedminlsattr /bin/ping -> -----------------e- /bin/ping21:18
itsnotabigtruckyep, that's the same21:18
itsnotabigtruckbut the modification timestamp is now today21:19
itsnotabigtruckbtw any idea what the 'A' component of a refhashlist line is, that could be a clue21:19
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mgedminstat /bin/ping -> Modify: 2011-06-07 23:10:09.000000000, Change: 2011-08-31 07:33:34.00000000021:20
mgedminaccess mode is 0755, uid/gid are root:root21:20
itsnotabigtruck(S)ource, (H)ash, (A)???, (P)ackage, (R)elative Path21:20
mgedminwhere do the aegis hashes live?21:20
itsnotabigtruckthey're at /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist21:20
itsnotabigtruckthat's the master list, which gets loaded into k-space during boot21:20
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mgedminA 0 0 3326121:21
itsnotabigtruckah, i know what's going on21:21
itsnotabigtruckaegis goes by inode numbers21:21
mgedminthat's 0100755 in octal21:21
mgedminI bet it's uid, gid and mode21:22
itsnotabigtruckit has the hash for /bin/ping's old inode number21:22
itsnotabigtruckrebooting *should* fix it21:22
mgedmininode where?21:22
itsnotabigtruckmgedmin: in /sys/kernel/security/validator/hashlist21:22
itsnotabigtruckwhich should have an entry for the inode number /bin/ping had during boot21:23
mgedminah! could be21:23
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itsnotabigtruckyay, that did the trick21:24
itsnotabigtruckso, for reference, if you remove an aegis-protected file and copy it back, it won't work 'til you reboot21:24
itsnotabigtruckto resync the k-space hashlist with the refhashlist21:25
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itsnotabigtruckbut that doesn't explain why all of a sudden i can't run scripts21:26
mgedminare you root?21:29
* mgedmin thought maybe aegis was trying to protect the root account from untrusted scripts, but then tried it on his n9 and found he can run scripts as root too21:31
mgedminare you testing my /tmp/ example, or something more complicated?21:32
mgedminwhat's the shebang line, if any?21:32
itsnotabigtruckhere's the script: #!/bin/sh21:32
itsnotabigtruckecho hi21:32
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mgedminsame here, worksforme21:34
mgedminis developer mode on?21:34
DocScrutinizer[2012-02-01 20:34:50] [Notice] -NickServ- povbot` is not registered.21:34
DocScrutinizermgedmin: ^^^21:35
* mgedmin sighs21:35
mgedminI hate bots and bot writers21:35
mgedminthey all seem to think typing commands in irc windows directed to weird nicks is the bees knees in configuration UIs21:36
mgedminediting config files is barely tolerated, and then you have to figure out which weird unix signal they want to reload21:36
mgedminand let's not speak of the quality of documentation21:36
mgedminso, tell me how I can have supybot register itself with nickserv and I'll get it done in 5 minutes21:37
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mgedminotherwise I'm afraid it might take a few hours to do the research21:37
* mgedmin just ended one such foray into irc-land, figuring out how to convince znc to connect to a second irc server that uses SSL21:37
mgedmin(turns out you insert a + in front of the port number, how intuitively obvious!)21:38
DocScrutinizermgedmin: restart povbot21:39
DocScrutinizerthe YOU log in as povbot` and do /nickserv id povbot passowrdfoobar; /nickserv assoc21:40
mgedminexcept aren't I supposed to do /nickserv register or something first?21:41
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mgedminassoc is for linking povbot` to the main povbot account, right?21:41
DocScrutinizerno, povbot already is registered, but povbot` isn't associated to the account21:41
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DocScrutinizer /msg NickServ help group21:43
DocScrutinizerbut first you need to get povbot` do /nick povbot21:44
mgedminpovbot already registered???21:44
DocScrutinizercommon problem cause by netsplits21:44
DocScrutinizer  //ns info povbot21:45
DocScrutinizer /msg NickServ info povbot21:45
DocScrutinizer[2012-02-01 20:45:02] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on povbot (account povbot):21:45
DocScrutinizer[2012-02-01 20:45:02] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 01 19:44:05 2012 (57 seconds ago)21:45
mgedmin57 seconds ago -- that was me21:46
mgedminyou said it was registered 5 minutes ago21:46
DocScrutinizerI know povbot usually been registeed, nfc under which account21:46
mgedminI'm currently logged in as povbot trying to do stuff21:46
mgedminI've never registered it before21:46
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DocScrutinizer[2012-02-01 20:47:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 6     povbot!* +vVA (VOP) [modified 26 weeks, 5 days, 08:52:04 ago]21:47
jesuschristhey doc21:47
jesuschristany bot here has the !seen function ?21:47
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DocScrutinizeryes, povbot afaik21:48
jesuschristin query ?21:48
DocScrutinizerand infobot does ~seen21:48
jesuschristdoes it accept wildcards21:49
jesuschristhave you seen gry around ?21:49
DocScrutinizerdidn't post for a while, I got no join notifications21:50
DocScrutinizerwtf is wrong with chanserv?21:50
jesuschristhes cool, dont be so mean21:50
DocScrutinizer[Whois] povbot ist (Supybot 0.80.0pre4)  [Notice] -ChanServ- 6     povbot!* +vVA (VOP)21:51
jesuschristguys anyone using web2sms succesfuly here ?21:51
jesuschristthey disabled the possibility do download apps from ovi store while connected to a pc21:53
jesuschristanyone noticed it ?21:53
mgedmin *headdesk*21:53
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mgedminI hate supybot sooo muuuuch21:54
M4rtinKX-Fade: what about ignoring every "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" line in the OBS build log ? :)21:54
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DocScrutinizer~seen povbot21:55
infobotpovbot is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'Bug 12516: Error Message camera-ui: "Not enough memory to save photo"'.21:55
povbotinfobot: Error: "is" is not a valid command.21:55
infobotpovbot: i already had it that way21:55
povbotinfobot: Error: "i" is not a valid command.21:56
infoboti already had it that way, povbot21:56
deramnice feature, that it stopped that fast21:57
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: sorry to bug you, but see /query21:58
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mgedminDocScrutinizerhow do I see if povbot is currently identified or not?22:09
DocScrutinizer/msg chanserv info povbot22:10
DocScrutinizererr nickserv22:10
DocScrutinizer[2012-02-01 21:10:32] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on povbot (account povbot):22:10
DocScrutinizer[2012-02-01 21:10:32] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 01 19:44:05 2012 (26 minutes, 26 seconds ago)22:10
mgedminthat doesn't tell me if it's currently identified or not -- or does it?22:11
DocScrutinizerit does22:11
DocScrutinizerregistered means identified22:11
mgedminah, ok22:11
mgedminI don't think it'll auto-identify when it reconnects22:11
mgedminI've no idea where to put the nickserv password in my supybot config file22:11
mgedmindocumentation, unsurprisingly, sucks22:12
DocScrutinizerthere's been that server password thing22:12
mgedminsurely that's different from nickserv password?22:12
mgedminthere's a Services plugin that can nickserv identify22:12
DocScrutinizernope, password is the same, but the syntax is oberweird22:13
DocScrutinizersth like changing your name to nick:password or sth22:13
mgedminI don't have the strength for more of this bs today22:14
mgedminI've told povbot what the password is using the 'password' command defined in the services plugin22:14
mgedminI don't know if it'll be persisted somewhere or thrown away on restart22:14
mgedminI know that supybot tries to overwrite the .conf file like every 5 minutes, which I don't want, so the file is chown'ed to root and not writable22:15
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mgedminI guess we'll see22:15
DocScrutinizer  >> to make this work when connecting from a different nick than the one you've got registered use ':nick password'.<<22:17
DocScrutinizeras server password!!22:18
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djszapibeford: it is also possible to set the enter key caption from C++.22:30
djszapibeford: (just for interesting note)22:31
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befordhey djszapi, thanks ! that's good to know22:42
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ZogG_laptopmgedmin: the last imgrup is
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asys3Pr1.2: Help needed! I overwrote my /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css - could anyone with PR1.2 please send me that file or could  tell me how to extract it from the OCF file?23:23
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ZogG_laptopi advice next time to make backups23:24
djszapiasys3: I can.23:24
asys3would be great!23:24
asys3@ZogG: Didn't expect different behaviour according to this between n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-(23:25
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asys3@djszapi: Many thanks!! you safed my night ;-)23:27
djszapihehe :p23:28
ZogG_laptopasys3: what irc client u use?23:28
asys3xchat, why?23:29
djszapiajalkane: do you have time for writing a FOSDEM schedule app with qt-components ? : P23:30
ajalkanedjszapi: hehe, certainly I don't23:31
ZogG_laptop     n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-(23:31
ZogG_laptop     n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-(23:31
ZogG_laptop     n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-(23:31
ZogG_laptop     n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-(23:31
ZogG_laptop01:26       djszapi :
ZogG_laptop01:26 artemma has quit ("Ping timeout: 244 seconds");23:31
ZogG_laptop01:27 trx ~ns-tea     n9tweak and n9quicktweak ;-(23:31
ZogG_laptop01:26       djszapi :
ZogG_laptop01:26 artemma has quit ("Ping timeout: 244 seconds");23:31
djszapiwhat is wrong with you dude ? :)23:32
ajalkanehaving a family sucks for code habbit :P23:32
djszapimenat to ask it from from ZogG_laptop :p23:32
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ZogG_laptop01:27 trx ~ns-tea23:33
ZogG_laptopoh f#23:33
ZogG_laptopdman latop23:33
ZogG_laptopaccidently copy pasted23:34
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asys3ZogG: can't see that here ?! djszapi: could you confirm the output of my irc client here?23:35
djszapiajalkane: I believe I can use one connections for that:
djszapiasys3: ack23:35
ZogG_laptopasys3: here where?23:36
ajalkanedjszapi: yes, one Connections is enough if the target is the same23:36
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asys3ok, the sorry for that - thanks for the help - next time I'll use another client or try to change the settings!!23:37
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djszapiajalkane: Component.onCompleted: {value: kanagramEngineHelper.resolveTime;}23:53
djszapiwhy does it warn me on cli I should use "=" instead of ":" ?23:53
djszapiis it correct this way ?23:53
ajalkaneyes, : is for initializing properties, when assigning it's =23:53
djszapiand it is a script23:54
ajalkaneYou could formalize it as : is for the declarative part, = for the procedural scripting23:54
djszapiso it should be "=".23:54
djszapiand this is scripting23:54
ajalkaneyeah, it must be =23:54
djszapiit did not work23:54
djszapiwith ":"23:54
ajalkaneyou can't just use value, you must use id.value unless that was just example23:55
ajalkanewhat's the error?23:55
djszapithere was no error on cli23:56
djszapithat is the problem23:56
djszapiI can use value because it is inside the element23:56
djszapiso it was a silent runtime issue23:56
djszapiI normally get warnings for those, not sure why not this time ...23:56
ajalkanedjszapi: in those cases I use console.log to determine where it breaks down23:56
djszapithat is not my main concern23:57
djszapithe gist is the thingie it did not warn.23:57
ajalkaneif it's inside the element where value is valid, why would it warn?23:57
ajalkaneoh ok, I think now I understand23:58
ajalkaneIt didn't warn about value: ... where it should have been value =23:58
ajalkaneI've often gotten warnings about that kind of stuff, so seems like a bug23:59
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