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| djszapi | ajalkane: ping | 00:12 |
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| ajalkane | pong | 00:12 |
| ieatlint | has anyone else had issues with occasional audio "skipping" with bluetooth headphones? | 00:13 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/MainSettingsPage.qml#L46 -> resolveTime does not work for some reason | 00:13 |
| djszapi | that slider does not get initialized .. | 00:14 |
| djszapi | let me see withconsole.log | 00:14 |
| ajalkane | you have in Slider Component.onCompleted, and we determined yesterday that it should only be used in root object. Maybe that's messing it? | 00:15 |
| djszapi | no | 00:16 |
| djszapi | we discussed that yesterday /Components/ should be in the root object, Page in thiscase. | 00:16 |
| ajalkane | you have Component.onCompleted inside slider | 00:16 |
| djszapi | yes, intended. | 00:16 |
| ajalkane | and I can't find any initalization for resolveTimeSlider.value | 00:17 |
| djszapi | why not ? | 00:17 |
| ajalkane | where is it? | 00:17 |
| djszapi | value = kanagramEngineHelper.resolveTime; | 00:17 |
| ajalkane | I see hooks for onChanged | 00:17 |
| ajalkane | but not initialization | 00:17 |
| djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/MainSettingsPage.qml#L145 -> 154 | 00:18 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: have you tried putting debug on Slider.Component.onCompleted whether it gets called? | 00:20 |
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| djszapi | it does not | 00:20 |
| djszapi | I bet it is called once | 00:20 |
| djszapi | so might be a good idea to put outside | 00:20 |
| djszapi | and set everythingie in one onCompleted. | 00:21 |
| ajalkane | I think so | 00:21 |
| djszapi | but still, it worked this way yesterday | 00:21 |
| djszapi | or maybe I was too tired to test it. | 00:21 |
| ajalkane | My gut-feeling is, that it should work this way... I mean the order of Component.onCompleted calls is not something to be trusted on, but they should be called when created. | 00:23 |
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| djszapi | yes | 00:23 |
| djszapi | they should be aggregated | 00:23 |
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| djszapi | though, if that comforts you I do not understand many things in qml, just having workarounds :] | 00:24 |
| ajalkane | yeah, I'm used to that too. I guess doing those workarounds long enough you get used to it. I'm still not sure if it's just that I don't fully get QML or if it's just deficiencies in some implementation details in the framework. | 00:28 |
| ajalkane | But at least nowadays I can more often than not find a workaround quickly enough based on previous experience | 00:28 |
| djszapi | you became a workaround software specialist :] | 00:29 |
| ajalkane | the most glorious job in the world. I guess 95% of programmers are such, finding workarounds for frameworks that don't work quite as wanted :) | 00:30 |
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| djszapi | right, so the resolve time thingie is still fishy with one completed thingy | 00:32 |
| djszapi | I personally prefer more because it better localized to the current value | 00:32 |
| djszapi | as if you wrote it normally, just +1/1 line around. | 00:32 |
| djszapi | it is better* | 00:33 |
| djszapi | but anyway, no clue | 00:33 |
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| ajalkane | what you mean? You can use wrap to flow text to more lines if necessary | 00:35 |
| djszapi | take a look at the local completed management | 00:35 |
| djszapi | it is like as if you just wrote the value as a property init line. | 00:36 |
| djszapi | except that you use "=" instead of ":" of course. | 00:36 |
| djszapi | but other then that is one line beforehand, and "}" afterhand. | 00:36 |
| ajalkane | I'm not sure if I understand, but that's basically differentiating the context between declarative and procedural (javascript) contexts | 00:37 |
| ajalkane | Part of what makes QML a bit weird is wrapping head around the mixing of declarative and javascript | 00:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: ping = | 00:38 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: onCompleted never arrivea. | 00:38 |
| djszapi | arrives* | 00:38 |
| djszapi | console.log is never called inside :/ | 00:38 |
| ajalkane | djszapi: so I guess you should move it to root | 00:40 |
| djszapi | it is already there. | 00:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn that signon with no proper docs | 00:40 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: sorry, was blind amongst the long cli lines, it is called with proper value | 00:41 |
| ajalkane | humm? | 00:41 |
| ajalkane | oh ok | 00:41 |
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| djszapi | ajalkane: though always with the same | 00:42 |
| djszapi | no matter what I set up | 00:42 |
| djszapi | I looked for typos in the saving code onValueChanged | 00:43 |
| djszapi | but cannot really find one. | 00:43 |
| ieatlint | is it possible to the pull the individual rgb values from a Color element in qml? | 00:45 |
| ajalkane | I gotta go sleeping... but you should put debug logging everywhere in the variable in question to see where the propagation of changed value changes, but is not detected | 00:45 |
| ieatlint | or do i actually need to make helper functions to ask c++ for them? | 00:45 |
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| djszapi | ieatlint: check the code whether those accessors are invokable. | 00:51 |
| djszapi | if not, you might need then to write a one liner wrapper in C++ and then get it exposed. | 00:51 |
| djszapi | provided qml color -> qcolor conversion works implicitely. | 00:51 |
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| artemma | oups, my app shows black screen only when starting on PR1.0 (works fine on 1.0, 1.1) :/ | 01:26 |
| artemma | problem is that the only 1.0 device i have access to is in remote device access, hard to debug.. | 01:27 |
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| beford | artemma, show me your lines of import com.* | 01:30 |
| beford | in the QML files | 01:30 |
| beford | I had that problem too when sending it to ovi | 01:30 |
| artemma | so it's likely to be abt extras and stuff.. | 01:30 |
| artemma | suspected that | 01:30 |
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| beford | yea | 01:30 |
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| artemma | lemme see, imports are a little diffrent in different files | 01:31 |
| artemma | import QtQuick 1.1 | 01:31 |
| artemma | import com.nokia.meego 1.0 | 01:31 |
| artemma | import com.nokia.extras 1.1 | 01:31 |
| artemma | import SwypeSwitcher 1.0 | 01:31 |
| artemma | SwypeSwitcher is mine | 01:31 |
| beford | try extras 1.0 | 01:31 |
| artemma | I think I tried them and the didn't work on PR1.1 for some reason | 01:31 |
| beford | mm works for me, maybe you are using a new component | 01:32 |
| artemma | will try again though | 01:32 |
| artemma | thanks for a hint! | 01:32 |
| artemma | the only thing I am using from extras is SystemBanner I think | 01:33 |
| artemma | because somehow I failed to make InfoBanner work | 01:33 |
| beford | if you use extras 1.0 does it show an error when running it on 1.1 ? | 01:35 |
| artemma | it does show error on desktop (SDK doesn't have extras 1.0 on desktop) | 01:35 |
| artemma | probably that was the reason why I switched to 1.1 | 01:35 |
| artemma | try on HW now | 01:35 |
| beford | oh desktop | 01:35 |
| artemma | trying on HW now | 01:35 |
| ieatlint | the sdk's extras and "InfoBanner" are for symbian | 01:36 |
| ieatlint | oddly, InfoBanner for harmattan and symbian are not compatible, but serve essentially identical functions | 01:36 |
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| artemma | hmm, I think desktop stuff worked fine with extras 1.1 | 01:37 |
| artemma | didn't keep the record though | 01:37 |
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| beford | did you see the examples from the QML Components gallery for InfoBanner artemma ? | 01:39 |
| artemma | yeah.. at some point | 01:40 |
| artemma | when they were still a part of default image (1.0 beta?) | 01:40 |
| artemma | ok, extras 1.0 work on PR1.2beta, trying on PR 1.1 device now | 01:40 |
| artemma | or acrtually half work :) | 01:41 |
| artemma | stuff doesn't crash anymore, but SystemBanner doesn't work | 01:42 |
| artemma | that's a different story though | 01:42 |
| artemma | now will try on PR1.0 device | 01:42 |
| beford | how come you have 3 devices? :( | 01:43 |
| beford | :P | 01:43 |
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| artemma | two devices | 01:45 |
| artemma | PR1.0 in RDA only | 01:45 |
| artemma | and that's a problem :( | 01:45 |
| artemma | it just got disconnected (reboot?) | 01:46 |
| artemma | will test tomorrow probably | 01:46 |
| artemma | beford: N9 is easy to get anywhere | 01:46 |
| beford | oh cool, I thought RDA was already running 1.1 | 01:46 |
| artemma | and N950 they were sending to devs, so it makes two devices already | 01:46 |
| artemma | there are 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 devices I think | 01:46 |
| artemma | 1.2 only N950 though | 01:47 |
| artemma | only one PR1.0 device though | 01:47 |
| artemma | I was told just today that they are going to add more PR1.0 and some PR1.2 N9s within days | 01:47 |
| beford | cool, I'll check if my app runs ok on 1.2 | 01:48 |
| artemma | actually they don't have 1.2 yest, just checked | 01:48 |
| beford | I asked ovi how to test for 1.0 and they told me to use qemu/scratchbox SDK | 01:48 |
| artemma | no, extras 1.0 didn't help. Still black screen on PR1.0 :( | 01:48 |
| artemma | funny thing is that my app actually makes absolutely no sense for PR.10 | 01:49 |
| beford | hah | 01:49 |
| artemma | it improves swype and there was no swype in PR 1.0 yet | 01:49 |
| artemma | so I was anyway going to show just warning when swype isn't found | 01:49 |
| artemma | heh, some logging to be directed to file I guess | 01:50 |
| beford | maybe its failing because of that, can't you run it fromt the terminal? | 01:50 |
| artemma | it's a pity you can't deploy to RDA right from Qt Creator with debugging enabled :) | 01:50 |
| artemma | it shouldn't as I am touching files only | 01:50 |
| artemma | however, terminal is a good idea! | 01:50 |
| artemma | ah, terminal shows there's still extras 1.1! | 01:52 |
| artemma | didn't rebuild something | 01:52 |
| artemma | or uploaded wrong file | 01:53 |
| beford | :P | 01:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: do you have an n950 with pr1.2beta? | 02:04 |
| artemma | hooray, extras 1.0 work on all PRs! | 02:05 |
| ieatlint | yessum | 02:05 |
| artemma | beford: , thanks | 02:05 |
| ieatlint | but it's at home and i'm at work | 02:05 |
| artemma | now I need to figure out why I can't see SystemBanner from extras 1.0 on screen, but that's another story :) | 02:05 |
| * artemma still thinks it's sort of lame that there are harmattan components on desktop, but only one version is supported, while real device has several ones | 02:06 | |
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| itsnotabigtruck | hm, anyone else with pr1.2beta loaded up? | 02:07 |
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| Tronic | I upgraded yesterday. | 02:10 |
| Tronic | ~skype | 02:10 |
| infobot | [~skype] Skype is a free VoIP software and service using a closed client and propritary protocol. Only commercial channel drivers exist, with most solutions being complex, complicated, and hack-ish . Digium's SkypeForAsterisk (see ~SkypeForAsterisk) is a new solution that is a cleaner non-dependent option. | 02:10 |
| Tronic | Any good ways for enabling Skype on N950 yet? | 02:11 |
| ieatlint | same as 1.1 i'm told | 02:11 |
| Tronic | And why is not included by Nokia, anyway? Licensing issues? | 02:11 |
| beford | cool artemma | 02:11 |
| artemma | I've seen some post on the web that was pretty much apt-get one package for skype ui | 02:12 |
| artemma | enabled contacts and chat perfectly | 02:12 |
| artemma | but not calls | 02:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: see /query | 02:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and licensing issues wouldn't be surprising | 02:13 |
| Tronic | artemma: This one, I presume: http://leho.kraav.com/blog/2011/12/01/install-n9-skype-ui-on-n950/ | 02:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | perhaps they have to pay a per-unit fee | 02:13 |
| artemma | Tronic: yep, that one | 02:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it's fairly trivial to install it, all you have to do is load up the packages for n9 | 02:13 |
| artemma | not sure what else is needed for calss | 02:13 |
| artemma | for calls | 02:13 |
| ieatlint | something about the licencing claim makes no sense... why would skype be against it on n950s? | 02:14 |
| ieatlint | they have free apps with no adverts for pretty much every phone platform | 02:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: if nokia doesn't feel like paying $n for each n950 they ship out | 02:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that's all conjecture | 02:14 |
| ieatlint | yeah, my point is why would there be a licence fee at all when skype wants you to get the app for free everywhere else? | 02:15 |
| ieatlint | skype makes its money on subscribers, not licensing | 02:15 |
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| kimju | might not be even a fee, just that they have agreement allowing distributing it with n9, but someone forgot to mention n950 there. and then nokia is playing it safe.. | 02:19 |
| ieatlint | that would make more sense | 02:21 |
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| M4rtinK | interesting | 02:32 |
| M4rtinK | precompiling the Mieru python files shaves about 500 ms from startup time | 02:33 |
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| Tronic | M4rtinK: How long is the startup time in total? | 02:49 |
| Tronic | Not really that surprising: parsing text is rather slow. | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sleep deprivation land, ho! | 02:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | lol, i was four shells deep just now | 07:20 |
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| djszapi | meh, -21 outside :) | 08:43 |
| * xarcass clearly remembers how it feels when there is -54 outside | 08:45 | |
| djszapi | I missed the bus last night, and the next one came in 20 minutes..Was really considering taxi.. | 08:46 |
| djszapi | How can I do this in QML: var sourceDestinationLetterIndexHash = new Array(); ? Shall I define a list/variant property instead, or what is the way of having a global variable for scripting ? I need it only for 4-5 lines below, thus I would not like to establish a separate "js" file and import for that goal. | 08:53 |
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| xarcass | I always had "Constants.js" - like Nokia recommends - file which is included in each QML in any case, so i'd put that array there | 09:07 |
| djszapi | I find it more "administration" overhead than benefit. On the contrary, it is not any const by the way. | 09:08 |
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| frals | ZogG_laptop: pong | 10:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: oh god hwey | 11:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | i was trying to reach you in all ways =) | 11:37 |
| djszapi | too late to start one for this year, but one might consider it for next year... http://fosdem.org/2012/mobile-schedule-apps ;) | 11:38 |
| djszapi | (if we use Harmattan in one year at all) | 11:38 |
| petteri | why not | 11:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: anyway you can show small examples of xauth usage? (i know u developed twitter app, or it least fixed bugs and i assume i uses xauth), there is no documentation of xauth i could find | 11:40 |
| djszapi | http://m.fosdem.org/ -> it might be a workaround for now. | 11:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i think i saw harmattan fosdem app | 11:44 |
| djszapi | link ? | 11:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | but anyway i think option to add calendar integration in rss would be good | 11:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: "i think i saw" | 11:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you can add eent thru it and no need in separete app | 11:47 |
| djszapi | calendar is for different purpose | 11:47 |
| djszapi | calendar is more about date, and this is more about time during given day(s) | 11:48 |
| djszapi | The middle button in the bottom has such a feature though without separated rooms though. | 11:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | calendar app has time and notifications as well as there is nice app showing them on feed | 11:49 |
| djszapi | anyway, it is theoritical for now, m.fosdem.org is my workaround for the practice. :) | 11:50 |
| RzR | djszapi: http://rzr.online.fr/q/live# you can install !FosDem on !HarmatTan #n9 / !n950club , I can show you how #BXL.be and met !mAEmo !MeeGo !TiZen | 11:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: http://apps.formeego.org/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/calendarfeed/ | 11:52 |
| djszapi | RzR: is it cpp or qt-components ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=fosdem-schedule&project=home:rzr:harmattan | 11:52 |
| RzR | qt cxx | 11:52 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I am sorry, but I am now looking for a working solution, not new project design :D | 11:52 |
| djszapi | I do not have time for that ... | 11:52 |
| djszapi | RzR: yeah, I pasted that one yesterday, but ... it is usable ? | 11:52 |
| RzR | seems so | 11:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: say what? | 11:53 |
| djszapi | RzR: why do you provide the c-obs source project link, instead of the debian packages, or at least those too ? | 11:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: add repo and install | 11:54 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: no sorry I do not mess up | 11:54 |
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| djszapi | RzR: please add this link to your page: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/all/fosdem-schedule_0.0.20120201-0%7erzr2_all.deb | 11:58 |
| djszapi | this one needed, too: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/all/fosdem-schedule_0.0.20120201-0%7erzr2_all.deb | 11:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: he provide repo with apps - if you don't want to install repo - it's up to you to get the debs manualy | 12:00 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you are not following me. | 12:00 |
| djszapi | I am saying to add 2 lines - as everybody else does btw - to the wiki with the debian package. | 12:01 |
| djszapi | what can be disagreed about this ? | 12:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | coz he has wiki to almost every ptoject =) | 12:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | what the point of repo if all debs in wiki =) | 12:03 |
| djszapi | No, that is untrue. There are links to special apps there. oh well, you disregard the point: making people's life simpler. | 12:04 |
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| djszapi | RzR: it is really widget app for Harmattan :D | 12:30 |
| djszapi | http://qtinnovationchallenge.nokia.com/login.aspx | 12:33 |
| djszapi | this is lol ... so much money with so simple app :D | 12:36 |
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| faenil | are you sure it's simple? :) | 12:41 |
| faenil | because I talked to the author when I used to make custom firmwares for symbian phones | 12:42 |
| faenil | and he said that app is driver-level IIRC | 12:42 |
| jussi | djszapi: you havent emailed me with your account plugin, could you do that? | 12:42 |
| djszapi | faenil: pretty simple | 12:42 |
| djszapi | actually there are more applications like that. | 12:43 |
| djszapi | and one of them is even open source ... | 12:43 |
| faenil | could be easier on N9 :) | 12:43 |
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| faenil | I remember he had to make a new versions for every new version of the official firmware (almost) on symbian phones | 12:44 |
| faenil | anyway, 50k is a lot of money :D | 12:45 |
| djszapi | jussi: https://filetea.me/t1s4f5a2 | 12:46 |
| jussi | djszapi: thank you good sir :) | 12:46 |
| djszapi | jussi: it is not fully functioning | 12:49 |
| djszapi | but you can get the idea. | 12:50 |
| djszapi | faenil: we do not change the kernel api on Harmattan | 12:52 |
| djszapi | and you do not need to interact with it in any sense anyway | 12:52 |
| faenil | ok ;) just spent my 2 cents on the matter | 12:52 |
| faenil | I don't think they do on symbian firmwares either | 12:52 |
| faenil | but still, he had to adapt it lots of times.. | 12:53 |
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| djszapi | faenil: sounds really strange. | 12:57 |
| faenil | it does :) but let's not continue, it was 2 years ago and I could be reporting wrong memories :D | 12:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: =\ | 13:00 |
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| matrixx | wow that confclerk needs bigger buttons and scrollbar | 13:07 |
| matrixx | my fingers are too big :S | 13:07 |
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| djszapi | jonni: could you please test a simple app on PR1.0 ? | 13:14 |
| jonni | sorry I'm in germany currently, and I dont have PR1.0 device with me. | 13:15 |
| djszapi | Oh, np =) escaped from the cold weather ? :P | 13:16 |
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| gabriel9 | last night i tried to add some wav files to my app(music box) | 13:27 |
| gabriel9 | and i can add some of them, but some of them can't be added . Some aegis complains :/ | 13:27 |
| gabriel9 | and i need all sounds | 13:27 |
| gabriel9 | anyone got anything like that? is there some limit on the number of file wav or anything strange like that? | 13:28 |
| gabriel9 | and phone in one moment complains about not having free memory | 13:29 |
| gabriel9 | i have 64GB :D | 13:29 |
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| auenf | gabriel9, how much space is left in root? | 14:03 |
| gabriel9 | installed aps 2.4 of 4.2 | 14:04 |
| gabriel9 | app data 302MB of 2.1GN | 14:04 |
| gabriel9 | User data 2.1GB of 57 | 14:04 |
| auenf | altho, wav files should go in /home/user/MyDocs anyway, which is a 53.7G partition on 64gb n9's | 14:04 |
| djszapi | found a cool way of testing an app against PR1.0 build without PR1.0 device | 14:05 |
| djszapi | very cool ! | 14:05 |
| auenf | how big are the wav files? | 14:05 |
| gabriel9 | 600kb | 14:05 |
| gabriel9 | KB | 14:05 |
| gabriel9 | damn small | 14:05 |
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| auenf | djszapi, i know someone who cant install PR1.1 yet | 14:06 |
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| djszapi | auenf: that does not effect my solution. | 14:07 |
| frals | ZogG_laptop: i can check when im off work, unfortunately during work hours i have to... work ;) | 14:10 |
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| gri | djszapi: escaping from cold weather? In Germany it's also -12°C :) I know you have less in Finland but both is pretty cold :D | 14:41 |
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| djszapi | gri: that is a like a sauna for us :D | 14:42 |
| gri | I know you use your fridge for heating food :P | 14:43 |
| djszapi | ahaha :D ...will be a huge change for me to relocate to New Zealand | 14:46 |
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| auenf | its a cold summer here :P | 14:52 |
| auenf | only hit a wet 18c today | 14:53 |
| jreznik | auenf: ah, I want it! cold everywhere outside and overheated inside... | 14:53 |
| auenf | our winter is warmer than this summer :P | 14:54 |
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| djszapi | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2012/02/02/qt-graphical-effects-in-qt-labs/#comment-68968 | 14:56 |
| auenf | monday was a dry 29c | 14:56 |
| auenf | err, tuesday | 14:56 |
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| auenf | monday was 34c aparently | 14:58 |
| auenf | thats more like summer :P | 14:58 |
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| auenf | http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/201201/html/IDCJDW2024.201201.shtml | 14:59 |
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| auenf | anyway, definately sleep time... | 15:03 |
| djszapi | auenf: where do you live ? | 15:04 |
| djszapi | Camden, New South Wales ? | 15:04 |
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| jussi | its kinda cold here today... | 15:12 |
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| jussi | http://weather.willab.fi/weather.html | 15:13 |
| sp3000 | fine, you win ;) | 15:13 |
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| sp3000 | ooh, single digits for monday. toasty! | 15:14 |
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| djszapi | gri: pingy | 15:55 |
| gri | pongy | 15:55 |
| djszapi | do you know how to make an array in qml nicely ? I cannot apparently use global javascript array in qml, and I would not like to import a js code for such a simple case as mine. | 15:56 |
| djszapi | I was considering the list/varian property types for this... I need to map an integer value to another integer, but one dimension is static enough, as in incremental indices; that is why an array/list/vector would be well feasible. | 15:56 |
| gri | erm, just the static way with property variant blah: [1,2,3,4] | 15:57 |
| djszapi | gri: I would like to change it dynamically (insert/append) | 15:57 |
| djszapi | push/pop. | 15:57 |
| djszapi | insert/remove* | 15:57 |
| gri | then no idea, sorry | 15:57 |
| djszapi | it would be empty after the initialization time. | 15:57 |
| gri | I do most things on c++ side, so I was never faced with this :) | 16:00 |
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| radiofree | djszapi: could you use a variant? | 16:12 |
| radiofree | property variant foo; | 16:12 |
| radiofree | then in some initialisation (component oncomplete?) do something like foo = { "Key1":1, "Key2":2 ... } | 16:12 |
| radiofree | Component.onCompleted even.. | 16:13 |
| djszapi | radiofree: I would like to dynamically add/remove | 16:14 |
| radiofree | ahh | 16:14 |
| djszapi | if that is possible with list/variant properties, I am all for it. | 16:14 |
| djszapi | the list documentation writes about objects, not int. | 16:15 |
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| radiofree | looks like it might be javascript only | 16:20 |
| radiofree | at least foo = {}, foo["SomeKey"] = "bar" doesn't work | 16:20 |
| radiofree | but var hash = {}; hash["SomeKey"] = "bar" does, then I can dynamically changed hash["SomeKey"] = "New foo" etc.. | 16:21 |
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| radiofree | djszapi: not ideal, but you can just created a javascript file | 16:24 |
| radiofree | var hashMap = {}; | 16:24 |
| radiofree | then import "hasmap.js" as HashMap | 16:24 |
| radiofree | and do HashMap.hashMap["FOO"] = "BAR" etc.. | 16:24 |
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| radiofree | you can also do delete HashMap.hashMap["FOO"] as well | 16:28 |
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| djszapi | I would use 3-4 additional lines with the variable, so I would not like to create a separate module with all its separation overhead | 16:40 |
| djszapi | license, error-proneness at importing, build system registration etc | 16:40 |
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| gri | is gitorious down again? | 16:53 |
| gri | ah, it is. | 16:53 |
| djszapi | gri: wrong type of question. We need to ask when it is up: "Is gitorious up again?" ;) | 16:54 |
| gri | even if it's up, it's sometimes slow as hell | 16:56 |
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| djszapi | radiofree: imho, a dynamical int list/vector/array would fit better according to the use case. | 17:08 |
| djszapi | but variant seems to work. | 17:08 |
| radiofree | djszapi: it's not that much work to implement your own (with associated push/pop methods if you want them) in javascript and just import it | 17:11 |
| djszapi | radiofree: I dislike the idea "importing". | 17:12 |
| djszapi | because I would use the variable only for 3-4 lines. | 17:12 |
| djszapi | "Since this operation is inefficient, if a list or map should be modifiable, it is better to use alternative approaches. For example, you could implement a custom C++ list element, or write to a JavaScript object defined from within a JavaScript file." -> This is a sad state of the art. | 17:14 |
| radiofree | yes, there's a lot of things lacking in qml | 17:15 |
| djszapi | so I will need a javascript file with one line, nifty :D | 17:17 |
| radiofree | djszapi: yes, if you feel "var hash = {}" looks a bit lonely, I suppose you could always implement some methods as well ;) | 17:18 |
| djszapi | even html has options for embedding javascript script. | 17:20 |
| djszapi | without having a separate file. | 17:20 |
| radiofree | you can embed javascript functions in the qml, but you want a globally accessible list, so thats not much help... | 17:21 |
| djszapi | no, I do not wanna. | 17:21 |
| djszapi | I wanna have a "static" variable according to the C/C++ terms. | 17:21 |
| djszapi | or just local to the root object. | 17:21 |
| radiofree | it's a bit nonsense how there's no basic type for this | 17:22 |
| radiofree | variant will work if you don't need it to be dynamic | 17:22 |
| radiofree | but you do.. so... hmm | 17:22 |
| djszapi | or temporary copy | 17:22 |
| djszapi | or reassign everything | 17:23 |
| djszapi | but that is not really nice wrt performance. | 17:23 |
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| djszapi | do I also need to include this ? .pragma library | 17:25 |
| radiofree | that's to indicate it's stateless, you don't need that if you're only including it from one place | 17:26 |
| radiofree | it's probably a good idea to put it in though | 17:26 |
| radiofree | well.. really, it depends how you want to use it | 17:27 |
| radiofree | if you want the hash/array to be unique for all includes, then add that, if you want the type to just be exposed wherever you include it, dont | 17:27 |
| radiofree | sorry, i meant the hash/array to be the same for wherever it is included = use .pragma library | 17:28 |
| radiofree | without it, each include "foo.js" will use a unique copy | 17:28 |
| radiofree | I seem to remember that being the case anyway, I haven't done much QML in quite some time | 17:29 |
| gri | the Qt ios port is near, yay :) | 17:32 |
| flux | really? whoa | 17:33 |
| flux | when is the WP7/8 port ready?-) | 17:33 |
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| djszapi | flux: in half a year, we can check it out | 17:36 |
| djszapi | with the Tango thingie | 17:36 |
| djszapi | guys at nokia work on that | 17:36 |
| flux | somewhat surprising I would say, but nice to hear Qt has semiofficial continuation on these new platforms as well | 17:36 |
| gri | does "we" in that context mean people with access to internal systems or public users? | 17:36 |
| djszapi | ofc public | 17:37 |
| djszapi | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-January/001727.html | 17:37 |
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| gri | great :) that may ease development for multiple platforms a bit :) | 17:40 |
| djszapi | well, do not forget the fact we also need declarative and components... | 17:41 |
| torarne | Q: What's the best way to modify the sms/conversaations database? I synced between two N9s and now i've got 4-5 copies of each SMS, on both phones :( | 17:41 |
| gri | djszapi: Yeah I meant for applications that don't need the components | 17:42 |
| radiofree | torarne: tracker-sparql -q "select ?u { ?u a nmo:SMSMessage }" | 17:42 |
| radiofree | good luck! | 17:42 |
| torarne | radiofree: thanks! | 17:42 |
| djszapi | gri: is there such an app ? :o | 17:43 |
| gri | djszapi: Not yet but within next week I get a new commercial project for ios and android and I have no idea yet what to do :) I mean either write the needed components myself or port the existing ones to android/ios without caring about their theme look (and missing all images) | 17:44 |
| djszapi | that is the thing | 17:44 |
| djszapi | see ? | 17:45 |
| djszapi | pure qml is just poor qml :D | 17:45 |
| gri | you should not create a shirt with that slogan | 17:45 |
| radiofree | torarne: it's probably more useful for you to select something that will be the same in the messages aswell.. since you're hunting for duplicates... | 17:46 |
| radiofree | tracker-sparql -q "select ?u ?ptc { ?u a nmo:SMSMessage; nie:plainTextContent ?ptc }" probably | 17:46 |
| torarne | radiofree: i know when i did the sync, so i figured id do some sort of delete from sms where created_at > date; | 17:47 |
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| radiofree | good idea | 17:48 |
| torarne | radiofree: that's some weird query syntax though, will have to read up on that :) | 17:48 |
| radiofree | it's sparql | 17:48 |
| torarne | as long as it has a delete method, and the creation time of each message is stored or i have an id to go by i should be good | 17:48 |
| radiofree | yes, tracker#added is what you'll need | 17:49 |
| radiofree | for deletes use tracker-sparql -qu "foo" | 17:50 |
| torarne | nice, thanks! | 17:50 |
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| radiofree | torarne: something like : tracker-sparql -q "select ?u ?ta ?ptc { ?u a nmo:SMSMessage; tracker:added ?ta; nie:plainTextContent ?ptc FILTER (?ta > \"2012-02-00T00:00:00Z\") } ORDER BY ?ptc" | 17:59 |
| torarne | oooooo | 18:00 |
| torarne | how do i modify that to be a select rather than a delete, so i can check that it will do the right thing? | 18:00 |
| torarne | to print all the selects? | 18:00 |
| radiofree | that's a select | 18:00 |
| torarne | rows | 18:00 |
| radiofree | so you should see the message id, the date added to tracker, and the actual text message | 18:00 |
| torarne | ah, nice, and then to make that delete the records? -qu? | 18:00 |
| * torarne tries | 18:00 | |
| radiofree | torarne: you need to use the DELETE syntax for deletes | 18:03 |
| torarne | in the select, how do i order them by the date, not the message? | 18:04 |
| torarne | bah | 18:04 |
| torarne | it's right there, in the query | 18:04 |
| torarne | never mind :P | 18:04 |
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| torarne | radiofree: okey, so i did an initial import 2012-01-25T10:21:29Z | 18:09 |
| torarne | radiofree: then a series of imports at 2012-02-01T22:16:40Z ++ | 18:09 |
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| torarne | radiofree: i'd like to keep everything from the first import, and the unique messages between the first and second import | 18:10 |
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| radiofree | slightly more complicated, you'll have to filter by something else that makes them unique i suppose | 18:11 |
| radiofree | http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/ ! | 18:11 |
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| torarne | radiofree: so delete from sms where tracker:added > <initial_import_date> AND message_recived_at >= <second import date> | 18:12 |
| radiofree | maybe you can get the DISTINCT messages based on the ptc? | 18:12 |
| radiofree | something along those lines yes | 18:12 |
| radiofree | i can't remember the exact syntax off the top of my head though | 18:12 |
| torarne | radiofree: how do i pull out the schema for the db? | 18:12 |
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| djszapi | https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-qt/2012-February/002402.html | 18:17 |
| djszapi | qt5 packages for Harmattan ^ :) | 18:17 |
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| djszapi | http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/BuildingQt5OnHarmattan#Qt5packagesforHarmattan | 18:19 |
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| torarne | radiofree: where's the tracker db located, so i can make a backup before i go crazy? | 18:23 |
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| radiofree | torarne: ah.. erm.. sorry, can't remember! | 18:29 |
| torarne | np :) | 18:29 |
| radiofree | torarne: if you want to see whats stored for a particular message you can do tracker-sparql -q "select * { <message:id> ?o ?p } " | 18:30 |
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| torarne | nice | 18:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | frals: thanks man, tell what hours you are here or other way to contact you, as i'm always online but always here and it's hard to search thru logs sometimes for reply =) | 18:36 |
| radiofree | torarne: i just did a little test | 18:37 |
| radiofree | you'll want to delete the entire rdfs:Resource for a message | 18:37 |
| radiofree | so tracker-sparql -qu "delete { ?u a rdfs:Resource } WHERE {?u a nmo:IMMessage; tracker:added ?ta FILTER (?ta > \"2012-02-02T11:50:00Z\") }" | 18:37 |
| radiofree | you'll want a nmo:SMSMessage instead of IMMessage though | 18:37 |
| torarne | radiofree: does IMMessage cover both SMS and MMs and facebook and the like? | 18:38 |
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| torarne | radiofree: the earlier select you gave me gives zero records with ?u a nmo:IMMessage; | 18:39 |
| radiofree | don't use IMMessage, i was just testing it on immessages | 18:39 |
| radiofree | you want nmo:SMSMessage | 18:39 |
| torarne | k | 18:39 |
| torarne | thanks :) | 18:39 |
| torarne | i added nmo:sentDate ?d; | 18:39 |
| torarne | so i know when it was sent | 18:39 |
| radiofree | test it with selects though | 18:41 |
| torarne | yepp :) | 18:41 |
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| radiofree | select ?u ?ta ?ptc { ?u a nmo:IMMessage; tracker:added ?ta; nie:plainTextContent ?ptc; nmo:sendDate ?d FILTER (?ta > \"2012-01-30T09:00:00Z\") FILTER (?d < \"2012-01-30T09:57:00Z\") | 18:41 |
| radiofree | } ORDER BY ?ta" | 18:41 |
| torarne | worst case i have 5 copies on each sms in the tracker db on the phone i synced _from_ as well :D | 18:41 |
| radiofree | with a sms message obviously | 18:41 |
| torarne | cool | 18:42 |
| radiofree | or >= for the d (i think you wanted) | 18:42 |
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| torarne | so FILTER() FILTER(), not FILTER(foo and bar) ? | 18:43 |
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| radiofree | I don't know if FILTER( foo and bar) will work, maybe there's some syntax for that | 18:45 |
| radiofree | at least, backup your tracker db using tracker-control -b file.db :) | 18:48 |
| torarne | aaha! | 18:52 |
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| damaltor | radiofree: you guys seem to know about tracker. :) is there a way to reset only one singe database? we just had the case of a corrupted contacts database in the #n9 channel. we ended up using tracker-control -r to clear all databases. is there a way to only reset /home/user/.contacts/tracker instead? | 18:56 |
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| radiofree | damaltor: I suppose you could delete all the contacts using the tracker-sparql -qu command | 19:00 |
| damaltor | radiofree: no, the database was corrupted in a way that even tracker-stats did not work anymore | 19:00 |
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| radiofree | damaltor: It would appear the entire database is corrupt then | 19:01 |
| ArkanoiD_ | who was the inventor of that sick idea to use tracker instead of sqlite for everything? | 19:02 |
| damaltor | i have no idea. but i would kill him/her | 19:02 |
| ArkanoiD_ | and damn *WHY* did he/she do it? | 19:03 |
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| damaltor | radiofree: well it obviosly was. after tracker-control -r it works again | 19:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | what elements are used to swipe? or you use mousearea with hold and release? | 19:46 |
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| faenil | what do you mean to swipe? | 19:49 |
| torarne | radiofree: does the spaqrl on harmattan support the HAVING operation? i keep getting "expected :" | 19:50 |
| torarne | radiofree: tracker-sparql -q "select ?u ?ta ?d ?ptc COUNT(?d) AS ?count { ?u a nmo:SMSMessage; tracker:added ?ta; nmo:sentDate ?d; nie:plainTextContent ?ptc } GROUP BY ?d HAVING(COUNT(?d) > 3)" | 19:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: swipe, like swipe between pages or elements, like in mail app or music app | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/pages/Gestures.html | 19:51 |
| faenil | so you want to recognize a normal swipe, not the harmattan one, right? | 19:51 |
| faenil | I know what a swipe is, I wanted to know if you meant the normal swipe or the harmattan special one :P | 19:52 |
| faenil | anyway, there's a GestureArea in QML for that, even if it's not supported as qml element | 19:52 |
| faenil | on that page the special harmattan one is show | 19:53 |
| faenil | shown | 19:53 |
| faenil | the one you use to send software to background | 19:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah i tried to add it, do i need to include something special for it? | 19:54 |
| faenil | don't remember | 19:55 |
| faenil | maybe import qt.labs.gestures or something like that | 19:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah i saw it's deprecated and they use pintch instead | 19:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it doesn't have swipe | 19:55 |
| tomma | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-gesturearea.html | 19:55 |
| tomma | oh it was some discontinued experiment | 19:56 |
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| torarne | radiofree: i can't seem to delete records :( | 20:04 |
| torarne | radiofree: tracker-sparql -qu "delete { ?u a rdfs:Resource } WHERE {?u a nmo:SMSMessage FILTER (?u = 5127) }" | 20:05 |
| torarne | the 5127 record is still there | 20:05 |
| torarne | same if i do tracker-sparql -qu "delete { ?u a nmo:SMSMessage } WHERE {?u a nmo:SMSMessage FILTER (?u = 5127) }" | 20:05 |
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| radiofree | torarne: ping | 21:08 |
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| phako | radiofree: he left | 21:12 |
| gri | yay, I just started the ps3 for the first time in 2012 to play a little bit online ... playstation network maintainance ... ok, then I go for offline: hangs up when starting the game :P | 21:12 |
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| npm | @nokia_connects wow I guess we weren't supposed to see http://nokiaconnects.com/2012/02/02/future-tech-a-nokia-connects-concept-phone/ which looked like an awesome hybrid of buttonless N9 and Tile UX | 21:19 |
| npm | @Nokia_Connects My reply to "Everything is going to be gesture controlled in the future. What purpose do physical buttons serve?" disappeard | 21:20 |
| npm | i even spell checked it :-( | 21:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Did it contain the words retarded monkey chainsaw or genitals? | 21:20 |
| npm | only thing left it the browser cache is pictures :-) | 21:21 |
| npm | no but "offal" got past the censors, when "crap" didn't | 21:22 |
| npm | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Nokia-with-Windows-Phone/Lumia-800-disastrous-audio-quality/m-p/1288979#M6022 | 21:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HAH! http://nokiaconnects.com/2012/02/02/future-tech-a-nokia-connects-concept-phone/ Sorry, but you're looking for something that isn't here. | 21:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer never realized crap was also some XXX word | 21:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe for puritans that also think alike of "damn" and "bloody" | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | dman bolody carp | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or in good ol'German: Wattenscheit | 21:35 |
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| djszapi | I thought the indices of the Repeater beging from zero...apparently not for some reason. | 22:41 |
| djszapi | what am I missing ? | 22:41 |
| djszapi | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-repeater.html -> It should begin with zero, but I am always getting "1" as the first index :/ | 22:42 |
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| djszapi | heh, it was my n00b fault. Next question: can I modify qml model elements or just with reassigning the whole stack ? For instance, I have a stringlist in it. | 22:55 |
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| Jare | does "skyhost" have something to do with skype? | 23:14 |
| Jare | just wondering why it's listening on port 6546 | 23:14 |
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| sp3000 | yes | 23:20 |
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| Jare | is anyone doing an iptables gui for the n9? I would prefer a reasonably configured firewall since iptables is already built-in | 23:57 |
| Jare | even an on/off switch would be sufficient | 23:57 |
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