IRC log of #harmattan for Tuesday, 2012-01-31

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admiral0djszapi: you're gonna hate me... but did you try lpsmagic XD00:13
djszapinot really.00:16
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admiral0:(00:18
djszapido not cry :D00:20
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admiral0djszapi :'(00:25
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itsnotabigtruckheh, on my end it looks like everyone is talking to the air00:46
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: any lpsmagic news?00:46
ieatlintmaking a treeview in qml is a bitch00:47
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: version 1.2 is out00:49
ieatlintdare i ask what this lpsmagic is?00:51
admiral0ieatlint: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=115654800:55
ieatlintinteresting... about the only thing i'd want on that list is the battery and date00:57
ieatlintso that works by replacing the operator image with an image you generate at a set interval?00:57
ieatlintwould also wonder if that could noticeably reduce battery life00:58
admiral0nope00:58
admiral0generated every 60seconds00:58
admiral0i cache images00:58
admiral0and i'm now rewriting in C++00:58
admiral0read the thread00:58
admiral0battery usage is minimal00:59
ieatlintbah, reading is overrated00:59
admiral0ieatlint: lol01:00
ieatlintthis makes more sense as to why you said you were looking to rewrite in c though01:02
admiral0you see, it starts slowly and consumes RAM01:02
admiral0it's because of python01:03
admiral0and high niceness i set for the daemon01:03
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ieatlintusing hal to get the data?01:04
admiral0yes01:05
admiral0you can read the source01:06
admiral0i don't byte-compile the python script01:06
TronicPff, Nokia servers are damn slow. OCF download is taking 4-5 h.01:11
jktnow that's what I call a failure -- I have not noticed that the first FW link on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ is actually the PR1.1, not PR1.201:23
jktand spent like an hour googling for "why the hell it doesn't have any new feature"01:23
ieatlinthaha01:26
admiral0lol01:30
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itsnotabigtrucklol jkt01:52
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: so install it!01:52
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: just upgraded, let's see if this works01:54
admiral0works ;)01:55
itsnotabigtruckalso i need to see if my joikuspot hack causes a malf :p01:55
admiral0i don't push untested debs01:55
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: what hack01:55
* admiral0 is interested01:55
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: not of interest if you aren't in the us...it prevents adhoc networking (and therefore joikuspot) from being disabled when connected to a cell network in the 50 states and guam01:56
admiral0i have just found a fellow to do a cammercial project for meego01:56
itsnotabigtruckwhich is supposedly due to fcc requirements01:56
ieatlintsomeone confirmed it happens in guam?01:56
* itsnotabigtruck waits for the black fcc helicopters to arrive and/or an ear tumor to form01:56
admiral0lol01:56
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: nah but it's in the assembly :p01:57
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: malf01:57
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: what about it01:57
admiral0you changed something in the bin?01:57
itsnotabigtrucknein01:58
admiral0ah then it's not so sure01:58
itsnotabigtruckit didn't malf01:58
itsnotabigtruckalso unlike the upstart script that turns adhoc on, this works all the time01:59
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: what about PR or USVI? :P01:59
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: lol, i was wondering about that...it seems like they didn't include any of the other us outlying territories on the ban list for wifi hotspot goodness01:59
itsnotabigtruckso in theory joikuspot should work in puerto rico02:00
admiral0just curious02:00
ieatlintmeh, still not worth going to PR02:00
admiral0would anyone be interested in a web ui for meego?02:00
ieatlintitsnotabigtruck: if you get it working well, i'll be interested though :)02:01
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: erm, it seems lpsmagic hasn't started yet after rebooting a few mins ago02:06
itsnotabigtruck 18:06:47 up 11 min, load average: 0.00, 0.24, 0.3302:06
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: did it start?02:08
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: nope02:09
admiral0hmm02:10
admiral0see if it runs02:10
admiral0ps aux| grep lps02:10
itsnotabigtrucknope02:10
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admiral0 /usr/bin/lpsmagic02:11
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: started it?02:13
itsnotabigtruckheh, didn't realize i could just run it02:14
itsnotabigtruckthought it required restarting x or something02:14
itsnotabigtruckhttps://crypty.ch/p/wAv3Vmf6#1e0deae0330a27c0fed9d794e239523802:14
itsnotabigtruckwell that's peculiar02:14
admiral0apt-get install python-gconf02:15
itsnotabigtruckit looks like somehow i lost python-gconf02:15
admiral0fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu02:15
admiral0my fault02:15
itsnotabigtruckoh, did you drop the dependency accidentally?02:16
itsnotabigtruckmust have been autoremoved then02:16
admiral0yep02:16
itsnotabigtrucki should have used dpkg and apt, which would have told me02:16
itsnotabigtrucki gave pkgmgr install-file a try02:16
itsnotabigtruckwhich doesn't offer any info about what's going on really02:16
admiral0solved02:20
admiral0redownload02:21
admiral0itsnotabigtruck: would you like something like this https://market.android.com/details?id=net.xdevelop.rm&feature=related_apps02:26
admiral0?02:26
itsnotabigtruckadmiral0: hmm02:28
itsnotabigtruckthat's...strange02:28
itsnotabigtruckcould be useful but there's other ways to do most things that does02:28
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admiral0i'd do the sms and contacts part02:34
admiral0so linux people don't need nokia crap suite02:35
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admiral0nite02:42
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ieatlintis it possible to convert a string to an id in qml?03:04
ieatlintby that, i mean i have a string in a variable that contains the name of a component03:04
ieatlintand i want to be able to use that string to reference that component03:04
ieatlintmeh, just created a js function with a series of if/else statements that returns the right component03:11
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itsnotabigtruckieatlint: since it's javascript it ought to be possible, i thin03:39
itsnotabigtruckwhat if you try eval'ing it (of course don't do that with arbitrary values)03:40
ieatlintyep, that works... better than the js function solution :)03:41
ieatlintand i'm pulling in the data from a json source that is trusted and well formed03:41
befordI think I read somwhere how to remove the bottom bar from Qt apps http://beford.org/ole/20120130202915.png03:42
befordanybody knows it ? :)03:42
ieatlintonly way i know is to switch from qapplication to mapplication03:43
ieatlintalso, wrong domain for your link or your dns is broke (or, mine is :)03:43
befordmust be yours03:44
beford:p03:44
ieatlintand just now started working... lagged03:44
ieatlinti think chromium has a shorter dns timeout than the host command03:44
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IktwoHi, I'm trying to make an app that vibrates using QFeedbackHapticsEffect, the app works when I run it trough QtCreator, but not when I run it on the device as a normal user04:27
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Iktwocould someone help please?04:27
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itsnotabigtruckIktwo: maybe there's an aegis privilege you need to assert?04:32
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Iktwoitsnotabigtruck: thanks, I have found the problem, but haven't fixed it, if I launch with Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=d -s /opt/outgoingvibro/bin/outgoingvibro it doesn't work, but If I do just Exec=/opt/outgoingvibro/bin/outgoingvibro it works but then I can't set a single instance and a splash screen04:40
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djszapiIktwo: what do you mean by "does not work" ?05:29
Iktwoit doesn't vibrate05:30
Iktwoif I run it with the full path it works05:30
Iktwoif I run it with invoker it doesn't05:30
djszapiIktwo: have you tried different type ?05:30
Iktwotype? no05:31
djszapiis there anything on the console if you use the invoker command from there ?05:31
Iktwono, there's a bug in the constructor of QFeedbackHapticsEffect it deactivates the debug output05:32
Iktwoso when I run my app I see nothing05:32
Iktwoeven if there's an error05:32
Iktwowhat type can I test?05:32
IktwoI always use the default05:32
Iktwotype=d05:32
djszapiI use 'e' at least.05:35
IktwoOMG it works if I use e05:36
IktwoI tought I was not going to find the problem05:36
Iktwothanks djszapi05:36
djszapiglad to see you happy :)05:36
Iktwoand what's that type about?05:38
djszapi  e                      Launch any application, even if it's not a library.05:39
djszapi                         Can be used if only splash screen is wanted.05:39
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djszapiand it seems you wanna have splashscreen, right ?05:40
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Iktwoyes05:43
Iktwoit's funny just a letter in my icon fix the problem05:44
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djszapiIktwo: in your icon ?05:54
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Iktwodjszapi yeah the launcher the .desktop06:01
djszapiah you mean the desktop file, not the icon.06:03
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Sazpaimontrying to port lightspark to harmattan06:35
Sazpaimongetting a GL error 1282 during initialization06:36
Sazpaimonthe relevant code is at https://raw.github.com/lightspark/lightspark/master/src/backends/rendering.cpp in  RenderThread::commonGLInit06:37
djszapihave you tried to debug the gl error ?06:37
Sazpaimon1282 is GL_INVALID_OPERATION iirc06:38
Sazpaimonits not exactly an informative error06:38
djszapiwhich is the invalid one ?06:38
djszapimaybe you mess up gl and gles ?06:38
Sazpaimonnah, its using gles06:38
Sazpaimoni guess I need to step function-by-function and see when the error shows up..06:39
djszapiyes, of course.06:39
djszapiyou need to localize what is an invalid operation.06:39
djszapiand then see why.06:39
djszapiSazpaimon: I wonder if you have the time and sake (so the passion :) to test my app again.06:50
Sazpaimonyeah I can06:51
Sazpaimoni just need to do it alongside figuring out what is erroring out here06:51
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itsnotabigtruckawesome, one of my VPSes completely exploded :/07:04
RST38hA video?07:05
djszapiRST38h: the video recorded exploded, too. :)07:06
Sazpaimondjszapi, looks like the first 1280 error comes from the glUseProgram call07:15
Sazpaimonmaybe its being called too early...07:15
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Sazpaimonsorry, 128207:15
Sazpaimonsomething tells me the shaders wont work for harmattan07:34
djszapithey do07:34
djszapiqrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:88:17: QML Slider: Binding loop detected for property "value"07:34
djszapiqrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:139:17: QML Switch: Binding loop detected for property "checked"07:34
Sazpaimondjszapi, i was referring to the program Im compiling07:35
djszapianybody an idea for this ? Seems a good logic to me: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/MainSettingsPage.qml#L8807:35
djszapilong story short: A property bound up to B, but if A changes I would like to assign that to B.07:36
djszapiwhat is wrong about it ?07:36
djszapiit is like having a slider and spinbox, and get them sync'ed up in C++.07:36
Sazpaimonhmm07:37
Sazpaimonno idea07:37
djszapiwhat is the qml way of implementing this logic ?07:37
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djszapiand even the logic works fine, and if I try to remove the binding loop, the program keeps non-working.07:38
Sazpaimonmy qml isnt very good07:38
* vladest would use: kanagramEngineHelper.useSounds = !kanagramEngineHelper.useSounds; on line 14507:41
djszapivladest: why would you do that ?07:41
djszapiyou try to hack around the problem, but what is the problem ?07:42
djszapiI do not see the problem07:42
djszapialso, that does not work for sliders.07:42
vladestdjszapi: because I always uses like this :)07:42
vladestdjszapi: and same for slider07:43
djszapislider is not a boolean variable.07:43
djszapiso you cannot use that toggle hack.07:43
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vladestdjszapi: value binds to kanagramEngineHelper.hintHideTime, on valuse change value set new kanagramEngineHelper.hintHideTime which set new value because of binding07:44
djszapivladest: it means that it is better to use a property value07:44
vladestdjszapi: I'm describing issue.07:44
djszapiunderstood and thanks.07:45
djszapibut property value is better for sliders07:45
djszapibut it is true, I can avoid that with a toggle trickery for the boolean switch07:46
djszapithanks !07:46
vladestdjszapi: np07:46
djszapivladest: just for making it clear: using property value is the way, a.k.a. temporary stuff right ?07:47
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djszapinot even property sorry, just global variable.07:48
vladestdjszapi: i'm used onPressedChanged istead of onValueChanged in Slider in my app07:48
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vladestdjszapi:dont remember why. may be because of stat stupid endless bibding07:48
djszapivladest: you would need the value for Release though.07:48
djszapiwell, it is the same issue for any signal.07:49
djszapiPressed does not make sense to me07:49
djszapiReleased would a lot in comparison with onValueChanged.07:49
vladestdjszapi: no, for release I've just checking pressed property07:50
vladestif (!pressed) bla-bla07:50
djszapinot getting you07:51
djszapihow could you check against non-pressed inside the pressed handler ?07:51
djszapialso, I do not still understand why it is a binding loop honestly.07:53
djszapivalue binds to kanagramEngineHelper.hintHideTime, on value change value set new kanagramEngineHelper.hintHideTime which does /not/ set new value07:54
djszapisince the value will remain the same.07:54
djszapiso why new onValueChanged signal generated, if the value does not change ?07:54
djszapisame question for the checked07:54
djszapivladest: ^\07:55
vladestdjszapi: its called onPressedChanged07:56
djszapiand how would it be any different to "kanagramEngineHelper.useSounds = !kanagramEngineHelper.useSounds;" ?07:56
djszapiuseSounds changes in this way which would trigger a checked change...07:56
djszapiaccording to /your/ logic.07:57
vladestdjszapi: it means calling on any change of pressed prop07:57
djszapivladest: but the point is that pressed is not good for it07:57
djszapiwe actually need the opposite.07:57
djszapias far as I see, there is only bug here07:57
djszapiand that is not in my application, but qml or qt07:57
vladestits easy:07:57
vladestonPressedChanged: {07:57
vladest                if (!pressed)07:57
vladest                {07:57
vladest                    videoPos = value07:58
vladest                    seek(videoPos)07:58
vladest                }07:58
vladest            }07:58
djszapithey should not generate onValueChanged, if the value does not change.07:58
djszapiand clearly, itdoes not change07:58
djszapijust inside the onValueChanged handler for the other property and no more07:58
vladestdjszapi: I think you just starting endless sequence that I've described arlier by setting value07:59
djszapiwill raise a bug against qml/qt07:59
djszapiwhy would I ?07:59
djszapithe value does not change just once, right ?07:59
djszapithe value of the "value" variable.07:59
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djszapivladest: ^08:00
vladestvalue is a property and it binds to a global property08:00
djszapivladest: you have a hack for the slider and swich, I understand that. Imo, that is not the real fix for the issue.08:00
djszapithe real fix if the qml/qt guys fix the signal emit08:00
vladestmay be.08:01
djszapithey should not emit it, if the value does not change.08:01
djszapiI will use your workaround, if it works, but we need to raise a bug for this08:01
vladestsince its double its very inlikely it will not change just because of value drifting08:02
djszapiyou mean ?08:02
* vladest is not happy of qml couse its non efficient, slow and non-multiplatform designed08:03
vladestbut have to use it couse qwidgets are dead and no native alternative08:05
djszapiI am still not getting how you could have a non-pressed state in a pressed event handler.08:05
vladestdjszapi: well. as I said: its signal depends on "pressed" property08:06
djszapiI see.08:06
vladestthis means that signal generate twice: when pressed becomes true and when pressed becomes false., i.e. on any change of pressed08:06
* djszapi is testing and raising a bug alongside.08:06
* vladest hates f&*^%^*g winter. -18 outside08:08
djszapivladest: also, your hack will not work for explicit value setting08:08
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djszapithe program will just remain silent and hard to debug wrt this08:08
vladestdjszapi: you mean shitcher or slider?08:09
djszapiany08:09
djszapibut pressed is okay for slider, so that is the highest priority here.08:09
djszapivladest: also, I am still getting it for obvious reasons: qrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:143:17: QML Switch: Binding loop detected for property "checked"08:11
djszapilook at the C++ side, this issue is not existing for the aforementioned example QSlider and QSpinBox sync'ing.08:12
djszapiif you change the value of any of those, you will not get into a loop08:12
djszapiit is just a qml bug08:12
djszapiI do not personally see a way in qml for solving this issue, if they do not solve it on their own.08:13
* vladest agreed08:14
vladestok, have to go, sry08:14
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djszapiplease vote guys for this if you like it: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-2395508:30
DocScrutinizerhmm08:36
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djszapiSazpaimon: for testing: http://files.kde.org/maemo/kanagram_31012012-1_armel.deb08:54
mardyZogG_laptop: pong :-)09:13
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befordHey. does anybody knows how to change the caption of the "Return" key from the QML Keyboard? You can see what I mean in the Ovi Store, Search tab :)11:05
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djszapivladest: They claim it works in qml. It might be a qt-components issue then. https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-2395511:14
phakobeford: there's some docs about that but I forgot the location, try to ping mikhas in #qt-qml when he's there.11:14
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djszapibeford: what is wrong with the mesinput app ?11:16
befordno idea, let me see11:17
djszapiif you use that app, you can redefine the whole kbd as you want.11:17
befordohh I see11:17
djszapiand it is for free from ovi :p11:18
rantomHmm. I wasn't able to edit my keyboard with MesInput, the Finnish-layout11:18
befordbut that's not what I need, I mean in my program, instead of showing the default Return key, I would like to show 'Search' , in the same way Ovi Store app does11:18
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djszapibeford: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/148611:21
vladestdjszapi: voted11:21
djszapivladest: I am not sure it is time to vote yet because it seems to be not a qml bug. :)11:22
djszapiit might be a qt-components limitation for that component.11:23
djszapithose components*11:26
djszapibeford: but the most important question, are you sure you need a custom kbd ?11:29
beforddjszapi, hehe no, I just need to change the caption for Return button on the Keyboard for an specific TextField :D11:32
admiral0hello people11:32
rantomCorrect me if I'm wrong but wasn't it easier to exchange in Terminal between "arrows" and "shell"-commandlayouts (the ones on top of the keyboard) earlier, say, during beta2?11:33
rantomI have a faint memory that you could just swipe that section of the screen and it'd exchange to the other one11:33
rantomOr slide the keyboard so that you could get page up/down in portrait?11:34
beforddjszapi, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g6_D5flg23I/TpXMxnF6tFI/AAAAAAAABhw/mA3MC6RFSQY/s320/2011-10-13_01-20-21.png just like that :P11:36
djszapibeford I will ask internally for you.11:37
djszapibeford: so you would like to do this change from qml code, or are you fine with C++ code, too ?11:38
befordany of them would work for me :D thanks11:39
djszapiok, asking.11:39
djszapiwill let you know if getting answer.11:39
befordthanks, I think it has to be 'easy' maybe I'm not using the right words to search it, Skype app also changes the button to Next when registering an account11:41
djszapiit is not about simple11:42
djszapiit might be forbidden on will.11:42
fluxhmm, AFAIK applications can (and should) change the 'return' key to whatever they need in their context. dunno how it's done, though :)11:44
djszapibeford: you are out of the luck, mikhas is not in Nokia anymore11:45
befordwell I'll ask again later :P11:45
djszapihttps://qt.gitorious.org/~mikhas/qt/mikhas-qt -> heh he is, just with Hasselman, and not Hasselmann, that is weird11:46
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phakodjszapi: nah, he's there still; could be he's sick12:01
djszapiphako: not that, it is just the fact, his name is mistyped.12:04
phakoah12:04
djszapibeford: btw, the mesinput can do this, so probably possible.12:04
djszapibeford: SipAttributes.actionKeyLabel12:05
djszapihttp://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-sipattributes.html12:05
phakoalso, #maliit should be helpfull12:05
beford:D thanks that  was it djszapi12:10
befordhttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Using_SipAttributes_in_MeeGo-Harmattan12:10
djszapinifty stuff =))12:14
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faenilmorning :)12:44
hiemanshumorning faenil :)12:45
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djszapizz_gri: ping14:39
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djszapivladest: ping16:05
vladestdjszapi: pong16:05
djszapivladest: I have a skeleton stuff which is working16:05
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djszapiso no clue why it does not work in my app16:05
djszapiare you sure this binding loop caused issues for you as well ?16:05
vladestwell, I can check16:06
djszapivladest: main.cpp http://paste.kde.org/197330/16:06
djszapibindinglooptestobject.h : http://paste.kde.org/197336/ bindinglooptestobject.cpp: http://paste.kde.org/197342/16:07
djszapiqml stuff: http://paste.kde.org/197348/16:07
djszapivladest: I only get t he bindingloop issue in the my application with certain properties of my exposed class. If I change for another property, or I make a dumb property int b: 0; and use that, I do not get such a warning16:09
djszapivladest: any clue ? This issue is killing me :/16:10
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djszapivladest: so I get binding loop warning for this slider: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/MainSettingsPage.qml#L8816:13
djszapifor instance for the "hintHideTime" property.16:14
vladestdjszapi: just checked with onValueChanged on my own project and no binding loop with local property16:16
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djszapivladest: how about an exposed one ? (You can grab my bindinglooptestobject for that purpose)16:17
vladestdjszapi: do you have ready project for qtcreator?16:20
djszapino, just cmake based.16:20
djszapiI do not use qmake, nor even in the qt-project ;-)16:21
djszapiis qtcreator capable of handling cmake ? If yes, then I have.16:21
vladestit is16:22
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djszapihttps://filetea.me/t1sc182b -> src16:23
djszapihttps://filetea.me/t1s13932 -> deb16:23
djszapihttps://filetea.me/t1s7218d -> dsc16:23
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vladestwill check at home16:36
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djszapivladest: thanks.16:38
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djszapivladest: but imho, it is better to test the application than the skeleton itself.16:45
djszapisince the problem reveals only inside the application.16:45
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torarneQ: Anyone got sshfs working on harmattan, to mount a remote filesystem on the device for easy development?17:34
djszapinot possible on purpose.17:37
djszapiyou wanna do the opposite actually17:38
djszapiyou wanna mount the N9 filesystem on your host for easy "development".17:38
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torarnedjszapi: not really suitable for qml, i don't want to copy files over17:42
djszapiyou do not need.17:43
torarneum, how would that work?17:43
djszapias a normal mount17:44
djszapiyou mount the filesystem, and the qml files17:44
djszapiwhat is so hard about it ?17:44
djszapiedit*17:44
djszapimany people do that including me.17:44
torarneyou keep your sources on the device?17:44
* sp3000 hasn't tried sshfs in the other direction either, it sounds like work17:45
djszapitorarne: yes, what is wrong about it ?17:45
torarnedjszapi: i don't know where to start17:46
djszapitorarne: sshfs root@myn950:/opt/my-cool-app/qml qml17:46
sp3000depends on how much yuour build would write there17:46
torarnesp3000: i've built sshfs and fuse inside scratchbox, but getting permissions problems when mounting, even on a device with rd-certs17:46
torarnesp3000: mounting nfs mounts on the device works fine17:47
djszapitorarne: also, please consider the fact people here mostly have no R&D certificate17:47
djszapiso you will not get such advices.17:47
djszapibut why not mount on the host ?17:47
djszapiwhy would you do that in scratchbox ?17:47
torarnedjszapi: i meant, i don't know where to start in describing the many things that are wrong with that17:47
djszapithere is not much wrong17:48
torarneif you say so17:48
djszapiwell, then suffer meg :D17:48
djszapimeh*17:48
djszapithis was my two cents about a way that worked for people so far.17:48
djszapiand please add your idea, if better, to the wikipage. We need that.17:49
djszapiand doing this in scratchbox sounds really weird.17:50
sp3000it might not be too much trouble setting up something that rsyncs things over on an *notify trigger17:50
* sp3000 forgets which initial is current17:51
torarne:)17:51
djszapisp3000: why rsync instead of just scp -r ?17:51
djszapihttp://wiki.meego.com/RsyncAndRunShellScript#Rsync_.26_run_your_projects_on_the_device_using_a_shell_script -> here is the rsync fwiw.17:52
alteregosp3000: inotify ;)17:52
alteregotorarne: if you've got NFS working fine, why use SSH? Seems NFS is better suited ;)17:53
torarnesp3000:  nfs mount is working fine except it fails to re-rexport another cifs mount on the remote fs17:53
torarnei guess i should just export another nfs to replace the cifs and mount both on the device17:53
sp3000that sounds like a cluster...mount :P17:53
torarnealterego: "nfs mount is working fine except it fails to re-rexport another cifs mount on the remote fs"17:53
torarne:P17:53
alteregotorarne: also, I'd be interested in the steps you took to get NFS (hopefully on a non R&D device)17:53
alteregoto work17:54
alteregoNFS would be useful for me to mount my home NAS drive :D17:54
djszapialterego: have not checked the qt5 instructions ?17:55
djszapithey use nfs as well.17:55
torarnealterego: its on a RD-device, but these guys are doing some work to get it working on non-RD-devices: http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/SettingUpDevelopmentEnvironmentForN9 (custom kernel)17:55
alteregoUrgh, custom kernel.17:56
alteregoDon't want instructions that voids people's warrantys ;)17:56
torarneyupp17:56
alteregoNext solution please :)17:56
alteregoDoesn't really matter to me, I have my N950 for warranty voiding activities.17:57
alteregoBut I'd rather not do that to my N9 :)17:57
djszapiI would, after the warranty is gone before the expired time-limit.17:57
djszapiafter*17:57
admiral0i'll eventually do that...17:57
admiral0i want iptables mangle17:57
admiral0and nat :P17:58
alteregoIt'd be nice if Nokia included that stuff in the first place, did they not learn anything from kernel power? :)17:58
alteregoIf we don't have iptables how does the wi-fi hotspot work?17:59
alteregoMy N9 has iptables ..17:59
djszapialterego: they do not have nat.18:00
admiral0alterego: iptables -t nat18:00
admiral0and you'll see18:01
djszapihow long is the warranty by the way, one, two years or even more ?18:01
alteregotwo years inside EU18:01
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admiral0europe=2 years18:01
djszapi"Nokia backs up the Nokia N9 with a 1 Year parts & labour warranty."18:02
alteregoProbably 1 year outside.18:02
alteregodjszapi: that's probably in Australia or something.18:02
alteregoIn the EU it's 2 years.18:02
admiral0warranty: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/101/781/Y0UJC.png18:03
djszapihttp://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Nokia-N9-Warranty-UAE-Dubai-Abu-Dhabi-amp-Worldwide/td-p/121262318:03
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djszapialterego: if I got it in the EU, or if I live inside the EU ?18:03
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djszapiadmiral0: at least your teeth are nicely white :)18:03
alteregoBoth, but if you only bought it in the EU, you'd have to get them to pick it up and ship it to an address in the EU18:04
djszapigoing into the shop directly.18:04
djszapisay, business trip.18:04
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itsnotabigtruckdoes anybody know the warranty terms for latin america18:06
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itsnotabigtrucki dug around the nokia latinoamerica website for a while and couldn't find much besides 'look at the slip in the box'18:06
itsnotabigtruckand the box happens to be on the other end of the country right now18:06
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itsnotabigtruckalso strange, newegg kicked its n9 cyan price back up to $700 (from $520)18:10
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: eternal warranty =)18:10
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ZogG_laptopwhat can be wrong in this - connect(networkManager, SIGNAL(uploadProgress(qint64,qint64)), this, SLOT(progresscalc(qint64,qint64)));18:26
djszapido you get runtime warning/error ?18:27
djszapior compilation time ?18:27
ZogG_laptopcan;'t compile =\18:27
djszapican you show the g++ output ?18:28
ZogG_laptop/home/zogg/projects/imgrup-build-harmattan-Harmattan_Target__Qt_SDK__Debug/moc_upload.cpp:87: undefined reference to `Upload::progresscalc(long long, long long)'18:28
djszapiit did compile.18:28
djszapiit does not link, and what provides this Upload class ?18:28
djszapiwhich library ?18:28
ZogG_laptopit's mine18:29
djszapihave you linked agaisnt your stuff ?18:29
ZogG_laptop void progresscalc(qint64 sent, qint64 total); this is in public slot18:29
djszapican you show your "full" output and code ?18:30
djszapilong long and qint64 mmmh...18:30
ZogG_laptopwait18:31
ZogG_laptopjust  a sec18:31
ZogG_laptopok it was me stupid - resolved it =018:31
djszapiright :)18:31
ZogG_laptopbut thanks - you gave a clue, forgot to use Upload::progresscalc18:31
ZogG_laptopused void progresscal instead =P18:32
ZogG_laptoplol still error on runtime18:33
ZogG_laptopObject::connect: No such signal QNetworkAccessManager::uploadProgress(qint64,qint64) in ../imgrup/upload.cpp:7118:33
ZogG_laptopdo i need to include QnetworkSession ?18:33
npmoh happy day! (well i shouldn't count my chickens till the n9 arrives)18:33
MohammadAGno ZogG_laptop, there's no such signal18:34
ZogG_laptopnpm: mazal tov18:34
djszapiZogG_laptop: where do you see that signal ? http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/QNetworkAccessManager.html#signals18:34
ZogG_laptophttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qnetworkreply.html#uploadProgress18:34
ZogG_laptophere ^18:34
djszapithat is a different type of class18:35
djszapiyou used networkManager18:35
npmZogG_laptop: yofi!18:35
MohammadAGQNetworkReply != QNetworkAccessManager18:35
ZogG_laptopnpm: don't say you speak hebrew18:35
MohammadAGapparently he does18:36
npmi did at my bar-mitzvah, and have relatives i can't understand except when they speak romanian18:36
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: so can i use acessmanager to track the progress?18:36
ZogG_laptopnpm: lol18:36
MohammadAGno, you use QNetworkReply18:36
MohammadAGpaste the code18:36
MohammadAGthe one you need to track18:37
MohammadAGactually I'll give you an example18:38
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: i use access to read reply as well18:39
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, https://gitorious.org/qtbook/qtbook/blobs/master/albumwindow.cpp#line20518:40
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: does it has post ?18:40
MohammadAGthat's how you should track progress and read replies18:40
MohammadAGsee 230 and below18:40
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djszapialterego: do you see anything obviously wrong with this patch technically ? http://paste.xinu.at/W3icH/18:41
MohammadAGhuh18:41
MohammadAGQNetworkAccessManager::put returns a pointer to a QNetworkReply18:41
alteregoDoes the standard delegate not have any icon?18:42
djszapialterego: oopsie, no need for an argument for that function.18:42
djszapialterego: what do you mean ?18:43
alteregonvm, it looks okay to me, but that's just with a 10 second glance, I can't give you an informed answer unless I test it myself, and I'm a bit busy for that ;)18:43
djszapialterego: isn't it better without function argument ? http://paste.xinu.at/dBoH/18:44
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djszapiI was just copy/pasting the function from the ToolIcon internals, but it is weird they used a function argument.18:44
djszapisince it is currently not called with an argument, so no real need for that :)18:44
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: my post method is little bit dfferent, i don't want to use headers, but no i get total as -1 =\18:44
djszapibut keeping the consistency with ToolIcon internals might make sense even if it is no use18:45
ZogG_laptopis it releated?18:45
alteregoI wouldn't bother using it.18:45
djszapiok, so without that then.18:45
MohammadAGyou don't want to use headers?18:48
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: http://dpaste.org/n4wrK/18:49
MohammadAGI hope that QNetworkAccessManager pointer is deleted somewhere18:53
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: why?18:53
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MohammadAGcause it uses up memory18:54
djszapiZogG_laptop: just give it a parent.18:54
djszapiit will be done automagically.18:54
djszapiprovided, upload inherits qobject for instance, you could use this18:54
MohammadAGit has a parent, but if the app creates a new instance everytime you upload then automagicallism doesn't work18:55
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: it works and i get sent data, but total is -1 - what means it can't handle the total size of data18:55
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djszapiMohammadAG: does not matter, if all of them have parents.18:55
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djszapiand Upload must inherit QObject since it uses signal then18:56
djszapiconnection*18:56
djszapithough I would not know why one need to create new manager all the time.18:56
djszapiwould need*18:57
djszapiZogG_laptop: sorry, but no time for debugging your code :/18:57
ZogG_laptop=\18:57
MohammadAGdjszapi, it does matter18:57
MohammadAGdon't spread BS18:57
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: so any ideas why it doesn't know the size of sent info? total size18:58
MohammadAGdjszapi, he's creating a new manager for every upload rather than using it all18:58
ZogG_laptopdon't fight coz of me at least18:58
MohammadAGonce for all uploads*18:58
MohammadAGwe're not fighting, but your code wastes memory18:59
MohammadAGuse one manager or delete it after you're done with it18:59
ZogG_laptopi use also downloads and sometimes few in a time - so i think that's the way18:59
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: for now i used only one18:59
ZogG_laptopat least there is one made as i didn't use other code19:00
MohammadAGthe code you pasted creates a new one every time you upload19:00
MohammadAGthat's not only one19:00
MohammadAGdefine one QNetworkAccessManager in the header or at the top19:00
ZogG_laptopand if i upload once?19:00
djszapiMohammadAG: for that, smart pointers are good anyway19:00
djszapinot manual deleting.19:00
djszapithat is why they were designed, but I am not sure I see the need for new manager all the time.19:01
ZogG_laptopbut how is it releated that i have no totalsize?19:01
djszapiit is a different issue19:01
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ZogG_laptopthat's the one i want to solve one =)19:01
ZogG_laptopafter that i would try to optimize code19:02
MohammadAGdjszapi, there's no need for a new manager at a time19:02
MohammadAGhe's learning C++, so it's a mistake19:02
ZogG_laptopguys you right but still no help on the issue i have19:03
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djszapieven without smart pointers, you can assign a local qobject inherited instance, and you are good to go without leaking.19:05
djszapiI do not see leaking in that either, nor in smart pointers.19:06
djszapiZogG_laptop: I can help y ou tonight with debugging your code, if you still need help.19:06
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, what do you get in the slot?19:06
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: sent is proper number while total is -119:06
djszapialterego: heh, I wrote "int" for a string in my previous commit (documentation), and got accepted.19:09
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ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: ?19:12
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_MeeGoBot_vasvlad was last seen 16 weeks, 5 days, 8 hours, 33 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying 'I've uploaded the new version of Meecast (0.3.31) to repository. See details here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4439&page=3' in #meego.19:20
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djszapi~seen fiferboy19:21
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infobotwazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 66d 3h 9m 15s ago, saying: 'Venemo: wazzup? :)'.19:21
itsnotabigtruckbtw has anyone figured out how to neuter the mynokia phoning home on the N919:22
itsnotabigtruckjust found out about that the other day looking at the logs, looks like it was a big controversy back in the N900 days19:23
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itsnotabigtruck off the record19:25
itsnotabigtruck~seen itsnotabigtruck19:25
infobotitsnotabigtruck is currently on #n9 #harmattan. Has said a total of 603 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen itsnotabigtruck'.19:25
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itsnotabigtruckheh19:25
itsnotabigtruck off the record19:25
itsnotabigtruckit looks like infobot returns space-prefixed messages in ~seen commands19:26
itsnotabigtruckbtw people need to start using that more19:26
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: any idea about the mynokia thing?19:26
RST38hWhat thing?19:27
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itsnotabigtruckRST38h: the N9 phoning home with an SMS the first time it can see a mobile network19:27
e0xZogG_laptop: sorry , yes i was hoping to browser but i think this will change the propose of the tool19:28
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itsnotabigtrucksame scheme they put in N900 starting with PR1.219:28
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RST38hitsnot:And?19:28
itsnotabigtruckRST38h: well, there has to be a way to stop it from doing so19:29
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ZogG_laptope0x: what?19:31
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djszapijonni: what did you use the countdown.wav sound for ?19:33
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itsnotabigtruckis there a list of connection manager parameters for telepathy-gabble anywhere?19:55
e0xZogG_laptop: sorry i was talking about how you can change what gallery is display in imgrup19:55
itsnotabigtruckbecause i'm not finding much :(19:55
djszapiitsnotabigtruck: have you tried on #telepathy ?19:56
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itsnotabigtruckfor reference, there's a list of parameters at /usr/share/telepathy/managers/gabble.manager20:22
itsnotabigtruckthere seems to be no other documentation whatsoever20:22
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itsnotabigtruckbtw anyone know how to make the N9 display a service name for a jabber (gabble) account?20:25
itsnotabigtruckright now messaging and availability show a blank line where 'Google Talk' or 'Facebook' or whatever would appear20:26
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jussiis there any way to add google plus to the stream?  (or is anyone working on it?)20:37
djszapijussi: account plugin or something else you mean ?20:38
jussidjszapi: yeah, account-plugin20:38
djszapithat is what I found with a quick search: http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2011/12/meego-harmattan-meeplus-google-client.html but it is not an accoun plugin. Isn't it okay for you ?20:39
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Sfiet_KonstantinHi guys20:40
Sfiet_KonstantinI have some trouble using Community OBS20:40
djszapiwhat troubles ?20:42
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Sfiet_Konstantinlike20:42
Sfiet_Konstantinake[2]: *** No rule to make target `/targets/Harmattan-ARM/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.20:42
Sfiet_Konstantineverything compiles fine on scratchbox20:43
djszapido not use scratchbox20:43
djszapiuse osc.20:43
Sfiet_Konstantinbut on the BS it says that there is no rule to compile20:43
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djszapiI meant to write to test with osc after the successful sb build :)20:43
Sfiet_Konstantinok20:43
Sfiet_KonstantinI use tarball produced by sbox20:44
Sfiet_Konstantinis that ok ?20:44
ivan|homeanyone knows in which db file where harmattan stores smss and onther messages?20:44
djszapiN950dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in sb ?20:44
Sfiet_Konstantinivan|home: it is the tracker store20:44
Sfiet_Konstantinyes20:44
ivan|homeSfiet_Konstantin: thanks20:44
Sfiet_Konstantinivan|home: you should query it with qt mobility classes20:45
djszapiN950Sfiet_Konstantin, should work, at least works for me :p20:45
ivan|homeSfiet_Konstantin: I know, just doing something dirty now :)20:45
Sfiet_Konstantinivan|home: héhé20:45
djszapiN950Sfiet_Konstantin, cobs is picky about the format20:45
djszapiN950ivan|home, heya ;)20:46
ivan|homedjszapiN950: heh, hi Laszlo :)20:46
MohammadAG<Sfiet_Konstantin> ake[2]: *** No rule to make target `/targets/Harmattan-ARM/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.20:46
MohammadAGmake distclean && qmake20:46
djszapiN950Sfiet_Konstantin, do you have a cobs link ?20:47
Sfiet_Konstantinhttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=widgets&project=home%3Asfietkonstantin&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard20:47
clopezanyone knows about a working harmattan / N9 (qt) client for the fosdem 2012 schedule? http://www.fosdem.org/2012/mobile-schedule-apps20:48
djszapiclopez: that would be cool :)20:50
djszapiclopez: perhaps, you can reuse the existing meego summit one.20:50
djszapiyou just need to fill a different xml in.20:50
djszapiSfiet_Konstantin: please do not use format 1.0 with c-obs.20:50
clopezI was able to compile http://sourceforge.net/projects/fosdem-maemo/ with qt-creator but the apps don't works with the touch screen (it don't scrolls on the lists)20:51
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djszapiwhich maemo was it designed for, Fremantle, Harmattan, or ?20:52
MohammadAGit's probably native Qt20:55
MohammadAGwhich was dumped on Harmattan for a failed reason20:55
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djszapiclopez: could you port to ui to components ?20:55
djszapithe UI* I would love to have such an app. :)20:55
djszapiyes, it is full of C++ code, and not even MTF :P20:57
Sfiet_Konstantindid anyone know if osc keep the downloaded package that it uses for the local build ?20:58
jussidjszapi: that client is incredibly incomplete - and I was also hoping for an account plugin, as I have everything else there. anyways, if there isnt one, then little I can do20:58
djszapijussi: it is not that simple to write usually a plugin20:59
djszapi(mostly because not documented)20:59
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djszapimaybe a simple password authentication might be enough in your case.20:59
djszapibut from what I can say, the other google plugins are really big, and I do not even understand the code of theirs.21:00
jussidjszapi: fair enough21:00
djszapiand the existing plugins (eg. google ones) are not open source.21:00
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grihow can people at the ovi store rate apps as "anonymous"? I start hating those giving bad ratings with non-english text and absolutely zero information. Why the hell do I have a bug tracker and email even popping up in the application that tells you to not rate the application if you have no clue ...21:03
djszapijussi: I can send my plugin as an example, but it is written in MTF.21:03
djszapigri: report it to OVI21:04
djszapithis is sad :/21:04
grithere should atleast be a way to contact the users and tell them they are stupid :P21:05
mpsgri: indeed, why the hell do you have that :)21:06
ZogG_laptopwhere is the proper way to keep the icons and images for my app?21:06
djszapiZogG_laptop: qt resource system21:07
rzr`clopez: that one depends on alarmd21:07
djszapiand the app icon is: ${SHARE_INSTALL_DIR}/icons/hicolor/YxY21:07
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ZogG_laptopi mean when i set icons.files = /imgs/reddit.png ; icons.path =21:07
mpsit's not like you can just tell people not to rate if they don't like the app and expect them to obey, so that's kind of a silly thing to put in21:08
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: shouldn't i put it in dir only for my app? so if there is such icon already i wouldn't overwrite it?21:08
djszapiZogG_laptop: what if someone deletes your icon ?21:08
djszapior qml file ?21:08
djszapihow large are your images ?21:09
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: i want to make icons for buttons instead of text21:09
djszapiZogG_laptop: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/resources.html21:09
Sfiet_Konstantinlol21:10
Sfiet_Konstantinfor my local build i have21:10
Sfiet_KonstantinWriting build configuration21:10
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Sfiet_Konstantin[Errno 2] No such file or directory21:10
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djszapiSfiet_Konstantin: Can you paste the whole output ?21:10
djszapi(involving the command you executed)21:11
ieatlinthaha, making a reddit app?21:11
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gridid anyone ever see a rating from a chinese person in the ovi store? I have 500+ downloads from China but not a single rating from one of those. Do they have their own ovi ratings that we can't see?21:13
Sfiet_Konstantin[sk@stella widgets]$ osc build MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard  armv7el21:13
Sfiet_KonstantinBuilding widgets_0.1.0.dsc for MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armv7el21:13
Sfiet_KonstantinGetting buildinfo from server and store to /home/sk/Code/Misc/osc/home:sfietkonstantin/widgets/.osc/_buildinfo-MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard-armv7el.xml21:13
Sfiet_KonstantinGetting buildconfig from server and store to /home/sk/Code/Misc/osc/home:sfietkonstantin/widgets/.osc/_buildconfig-MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard-armv7el21:13
Sfiet_KonstantinUpdating cache of required packages21:13
Sfiet_Konstantin0.0% cache miss. 206/206 dependencies cached.21:13
Sfiet_KonstantinWARNING: deb packages get not verified, they can compromise your system !21:13
Sfiet_KonstantinWriting build configuration21:13
Sfiet_KonstantinRunning build21:13
Sfiet_Konstantin[Errno 2] No such file or directory21:13
Sfiet_Konstantinhttp://pastebin.com/NTGLappN21:13
djszapiSfiet_Konstantin: paste.kde.org serves good for instance ;-)21:13
djszapiSfiet_Konstantin: have you tried to fix the format to 3.0 btw ?21:14
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djszapigri: do you publish stuff for free ?21:15
gridjszapi: yes21:15
ieatlintdid you actually just paste a bunch of lines to the channel and then give us a pastebin link for the same text?21:15
Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi: ?? what format ?21:15
Sfiet_Konstantinieatlint: yes, because of fail copy paste :D21:15
djszapiSfiet_Konstantin: are you familiar with debian package formats ? c-obs is not.21:16
Sfiet_Konstantindjszapi: actually, I'm not familiar either21:17
ieatlintah :P21:17
djszapiSfiet_Konstantin: cat ../../attica/attica-0.2.0/debian/source/format21:17
djszapi3.0 (quilt)21:17
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djszapiand you need to have the properly named orig.tar.gz/bz2 according to the topmost changelog entry for instance.21:18
djszapiand it will automatically detect the format.21:18
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Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...21:22
Sfiet_Konstantini will see this after eating21:22
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itsnotabigtruckgri: maybe chinese people are just in general inclined not to rate apps?21:29
itsnotabigtruckor maybe due to some chinese law ratings from china are blocked?21:29
itsnotabigtruckalso, > anyone know how to make the N9 display a service name for a jabber (gabble) account?21:29
itsnotabigtruckright now messaging and availability show a blank line where 'Google Talk' or 'Facebook' or whatever would appear21:29
itsnotabigtruckalso, does peregrine have any integration with telepathy/accounts/contacts or is it standalone21:30
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ZogG_laptopdjszapi: wait do i need to add qrc file ?21:38
djszapiyes21:38
ZogG_laptophmm21:39
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djszapihttps://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/kanagram-harmattan.qrc -> here is an example of mine.21:39
djszapiDo not forget the alternative for this in qmake: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/CMakeLists.txt#L1521:40
itsnotabigtruck~logs21:40
infobotAll conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.21:40
itsnotabigtruckwtf, so there's two different logs of this channel?21:40
ieatlintwe can avoid being logged by prepending a space to our text?21:41
ieatlint(well, by that logger, anywa)21:41
itsnotabigtruckieatlint: only on one of the two logs21:41
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: yes, so what?21:41
itsnotabigtruckwhich makes it pretty useless21:41
djszapihehe :)21:41
ieatlintthe government is tracking you21:42
ieatlintand logs in stereo make it easier21:42
DocScrutinizerno21:42
* DocScrutinizer is tracking you21:42
ieatlintyou must be really bored21:42
itsnotabigtruckwell to be fair, it's entirely reasonable not to want everything i say to be logged in perpetuity and indexed by google21:42
itsnotabigtruckthat's why i really don't like irc logs21:43
ieatlintor have some disturbing kinks21:43
itsnotabigtruckyou say something off the cuff and now anybody googling your nickname can find it21:43
DocScrutinizeritsnotabigtruck: pick an arbitrary text form lest week's log, and use google21:43
* djszapi needs to catch the bus otherwise the night would be a bit cold on the street in Helsinki =)21:44
DocScrutinizeryou'll be scared it's not just two places you find logs21:44
* ieatlint misses buses... it's so much harder to get drunk in a bar without them :(21:44
itsnotabigtruckDocScrutinizer: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22it+took+me+28+days+to+get+this+into+ovi+store%2221:45
ieatlintalso, i look forward to a future where people can google my irc handle and learn that on dec 12, 2011, i didn't wear pants21:46
itsnotabigtruckalso i just realized i haven't fixed up my firefox with google ssl and https everywhere yet21:46
itsnotabigtruckthe point is, irc logging can do harm, and rarely does much of any good21:46
ieatlinti've actually gotten useful results from irc logs while searching for problems21:47
itsnotabigtruck(rarely)21:48
ieatlintwell, your statistics sound legit21:49
itsnotabigtrucko.O21:49
itsnotabigtruckit's entirely a matter of opinion, statistics are irrelevant21:49
ieatlintah, one of those "not intended to be a factual statement" statements21:50
ieatlint:P21:50
itsnotabigtruckit depends on how you weight occasionally finding answers on google vs. having dumb stuff you said be dug up at some point in the future21:51
ieatlinti think you're overanalyzing it21:51
ieatlintunless you plan on discussing very specific details on murdering someone, you're pretty much fine21:51
itsnotabigtruckbut the chances of finding answers are never that good, and the chances of having something dumb you said be logged converges to 100% if you're here long enough21:51
ieatlintyeah, everyone says stupid shit21:52
ieatlintyou won't stand out21:52
itsnotabigtruckyeah, but if somebody's trying to turn up info on you in particular, everything would stand out21:53
ieatlintinfo about what?21:53
ieatlinthow long it took you to get something into ovi?21:54
itsnotabigtruckanything...21:54
ieatlintyou're making me want to start publishing my logs too21:54
ieatlintand i've been an eff member for 13 years now :P21:55
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jussidjszapi: yes please, jussi01 at ubuntu dot com22:06
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djszapiN950ok22:11
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ZogG_laptopdjszapiN950: i added qrc file and entered the path as well, i added the file to otherfiles but still it says it cna't be open =\22:17
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itsnotabigtruckso, i understand that harmattan doesn't provide any way to place a video call22:45
itsnotabigtruckdoes the telepathy/etc. infrastructure support video calling?22:45
djszapiZogG_laptop: I am not fun of the truncated, and not fully pasted user reports.22:46
djszapifan*22:46
itsnotabigtrucki.e. if somebody made a telepathy connection manager that did video calls, could you make video calls with it via the gui22:46
ZogG_laptopdjszapi: nvm, solved it by install += imgs, would play with qrc later22:48
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torarnedjszapi: did you work on aegis stuff?23:02
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djszapitorarne: yeah23:05
torarneon a non-RD device, is there anything you can do to get the rights to mount?23:07
torarneas root, or user, whatever. sshfs works fine except "fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted"23:08
torarnei assume aegis-su is not available for non-RD devices?23:08
djszapino, and correct23:08
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djszapiwell, yes and correct actually23:08
djszapibut I will not disclose security holes for obvious reasons ;-)23:08
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djszapinot even in the "interrogator room" :)23:09
torarne:)23:10
torarneso ther's no credential an app can request to be able to mount?23:11
torarneeven if mounting into a user-directory23:12
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djszapitorarne: no because it would be error-prone a lot.23:12
djszapi(btw this topic was discussed many time, thus I suggest the channel log for not replicating that conversation, at least bit by bit)23:13
djszapitimes*23:13
torarnek, gotcha23:13
djszapitorarne: something around this discussion: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-01-11.log.html#t2012-01-11T15:26:2823:15
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torarnedjszapi: thanks23:32
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e-yessgx530 revision 125 (for n9)  -- is it correct information?23:36
djszapisgx530, yep23:38
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