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| ieatlint | don't worry, american companies will put all of you out of business | 00:04 |
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| ieatlint | look at nokia even | 00:04 |
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| Corsac | does someone know if calendar feed or organize feed can display todos items on the event screen? | 00:39 |
| jesuschrist | guys is the meego terminal | 00:39 |
| jesuschrist | gone on your devices too ? | 00:39 |
| arcean | nope, it's still there | 00:39 |
| jesuschrist | did you recive a dev package update recently arcean ? | 00:40 |
| arcean | yeah, yesterday IIRC | 00:40 |
| jesuschrist | oh jesussss | 00:40 |
| jesuschrist | i have to reinstall the package | 00:40 |
| jesuschrist | then | 00:40 |
| ieatlint | wow, meta | 00:41 |
| ieatlint | didn't know jesus used his own name as an explitive | 00:41 |
| jesuschrist | never late to learn | 00:41 |
| jesuschrist | plus any fix yet on the "account password forgetting thing" | 00:42 |
| jesuschrist | annoying bug ? | 00:42 |
| ieatlint | you presume a lot about me | 00:42 |
| arcean | bug 123 | 00:42 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots | 00:42 |
| jesuschrist | numbered 123 on bug tracker ? | 00:42 |
| jesuschrist | oh its not a bug | 00:42 |
| jesuschrist | its a feature | 00:42 |
| arcean | what :D? | 00:42 |
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| jesuschrist | it says "fixed" | 00:43 |
| jesuschrist | lol | 00:43 |
| arcean | remembering passwords is a feature? :D | 00:43 |
| jesuschrist | they are closing the most weird bug and closing up feature requests | 00:43 |
| arcean | yes, it's fixed in... PR 1.2 | 00:43 |
| jesuschrist | so i assumed without opening that they closed it | 00:43 |
| jesuschrist | without fixing | 00:43 |
| jesuschrist | did you see arcean they closed up the request for having video calls ? | 00:44 |
| arcean | hmm | 00:44 |
| arcean | they stated that 3g video calls are not going to be implemented | 00:45 |
| jesuschrist | skype video calls | 00:45 |
| arcean | ahh | 00:45 |
| arcean | hmm, I have talked with Nokia Care/support/whatever | 00:45 |
| rm_work | lol | 00:45 |
| arcean | and they said that GTalk video calls are coming in PR 1.2 | 00:46 |
| rm_work | wasn't video-calling *in the adverts* for the phone? lol | 00:46 |
| rm_work | ah k | 00:46 |
| jesuschrist | they said | 00:46 |
| arcean | or at least as the separate app in Nokia Store | 00:46 |
| jesuschrist | verba volant scripta manent | 00:46 |
| jesuschrist | any idea also on how to implement g729 codecs | 00:48 |
| jesuschrist | on the sip client ? | 00:48 |
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| jesuschrist | wow nokia suite wont support n9 | 00:56 |
| jesuschrist | im reading the bug tracker -_- | 00:59 |
| ieatlint | yeah... there would be a lot to improve on with meego | 01:01 |
| ieatlint | i'm still saddened by its death | 01:01 |
| jesuschrist | i found a bug happening to me too | 01:01 |
| jesuschrist | closed as invalid lol | 01:01 |
| jesuschrist | when you install new packages or disable and renable dev mode | 01:02 |
| jesuschrist | the ssh server dies | 01:02 |
| jesuschrist | until you reinstall the dev mode | 01:02 |
| ieatlint | well, disabling dev mode obviousl will kill sshd | 01:02 |
| jesuschrist | and its invalid | 01:02 |
| jesuschrist | yeah i mean disabling and then reenabling it | 01:03 |
| ieatlint | doesn't toggling dev mode require a reboot? | 01:03 |
| Richlv | it does, but if you toggle it, it doesn't rebooot automatically | 01:03 |
| Richlv | as it does when you first install packages | 01:03 |
| ieatlint | so sounds like that's the bug | 01:04 |
| Richlv | indeed :) | 01:04 |
| Richlv | i suppose toggling could start ssh server, couldn't it ? (w/o reboot) | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | "start sshd" in a terminal | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | (maybe just "ssh", not sure) | 01:06 |
| jesuschrist | oh | 01:10 |
| jesuschrist | so | 01:10 |
| jesuschrist | the bug | 01:10 |
| jesuschrist | is the device needing a reboot ? | 01:10 |
| jesuschrist | and not asking for it ? | 01:10 |
| jesuschrist | so actually when i do disable dev mode the ssh server still runs on the background so when i reenable the dev mode it seems it started ? | 01:11 |
| jesuschrist | cant follow you, do you agree its a bug ? ive already talked about it to jonni | 01:12 |
| jesuschrist | since i know he works at nokia | 01:12 |
| ieatlint | well, the sshd should stop when leaving debug mode | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | but the change may only happen on reboot | 01:13 |
| jesuschrist | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=384 | 01:13 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 384 maj, ---, ---, ext-tulasi.t.punaganti, RESO INVALID, cannot reenable developer mode after disabling it, ssh server don't want to run | 01:13 |
| jesuschrist | thats the bug | 01:13 |
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| jesuschrist | mr lavanya doesnt even seem to have understood the issue | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | the actual bug is a reboot not being forced | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | but ideally it could do things like handle the start/stop of sshd cleanly | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | you can use the terminal to manually start it as said | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | (or stop it) | 01:15 |
| jesuschrist | so you think everytime dev mode is being enable or disabled the device should be restarted | 01:16 |
| jesuschrist | since most of the times disabling dev mode and renabling it works pretty fine, ssh included, without reboot | 01:16 |
| ieatlint | frankly i think it's a niche issue | 01:17 |
| ieatlint | why are you constantly enabling/disabling dev mode? | 01:17 |
| jesuschrist | i fell unconfortable to leaving openssh enabled on the phone | 01:18 |
| jesuschrist | plus most of the time i just need the terminal | 01:18 |
| jesuschrist | anyway niche issue or not, its a bug | 01:18 |
| jesuschrist | not INVALID | 01:18 |
| ieatlint | well, it may be worth knowing the ssh is only accessable via 10.0.0.0/8, 192.168.0.0/16 and 172.31.16.0/20 | 01:19 |
| ieatlint | so it's not exposed via the cell modem | 01:20 |
| jesuschrist | yeah but since i most of the times the phone at office via | 01:20 |
| jesuschrist | wifi | 01:20 |
| jesuschrist | plus as i said i just need the terminal, cant see why they are "bundled" together | 01:21 |
| ieatlint | and if the behaviour is supposed to be that it should reboot between toggling (which i'm not sure it is), then that failure case is the result of another bug, and the mode you're in is undefined | 01:21 |
| ieatlint | they're budled because it's a consumer device, and terminals confused consumers | 01:21 |
| jesuschrist | thats your explanation | 01:22 |
| ieatlint | i agree | 01:22 |
| jesuschrist | anyway ill fill a bug | 01:22 |
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| jesuschrist | if the going to close it as duplicate,, imma kidnap elop | 01:23 |
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| ieatlint | sounds like a plan | 01:23 |
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| M4rtinK | I hit an interesting issue with SSH being only accessible from local addresses :) | 01:26 |
| ieatlint | that's new as of pr1.1 | 01:27 |
| M4rtinK | devices on on our university network get public IP addresses, even on WiFi :) | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | it's considered a security measue to prevent people accessing your phone on open networks | 01:27 |
| M4rtinK | so I couldn't get in | 01:27 |
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| Crnkoj | hey guys, i got a quesetion i was playing with a n9 running latest meego in a store and pressedtehpwoer button several times (by mistake kinda) and at the end it booted and show system failure due to too many reboots, try reflashing firmware. | 01:28 |
| Crnkoj | is that a known problem or did i find a bug, im asking cuz im interrested in this phone but with that happening i woudl reconsider :) | 01:28 |
| M4rtinK | yeah - but in this concrete usecase it failed as the phone was physically situated on my laptop keyboard and I couldn't connect to it :) | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | Crnkoj: i've only heard of people running into that when a softwae update failed | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | stupid r key | 01:29 |
| Crnkoj | i see interresting | 01:30 |
| Crnkoj | lol | 01:30 |
| Crnkoj | honestly i played 2 minutes with it | 01:30 |
| Crnkoj | and managed to brake it | 01:30 |
| ieatlint | congrats? | 01:30 |
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| Richlv | apply to nokia as a tester ? :) | 01:31 |
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| ieatlint | all i can say is that the phone is not generally considered unstable.. | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | but i'm not here to sell phones, so i'm pretty indifferent on your choice | 01:33 |
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| Crnkoj | ye | 01:33 |
| Crnkoj | just wondering | 01:33 |
| Crnkoj | honestly | 01:33 |
| Crnkoj | :) | 01:33 |
| Richlv | admittedly, it did mess up terminal (or devel-su, to be more specific) when i upgraded it to PR 1.1 over unstable wifi, so i had to retry several times until it finished | 01:33 |
| Crnkoj | i really like the interface | 01:33 |
| Richlv | and nokia not publishing firmware images in a decent format is mighty annoying | 01:34 |
| Crnkoj | lol | 01:34 |
| Richlv | or more like, not providing an easy way to find the firmware | 01:34 |
| Richlv | but that's not exactly the issue most users would face, i guess | 01:34 |
| Crnkoj | aha | 01:35 |
| jesuschrist | oh cmon | 01:36 |
| jesuschrist | you just need | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist | navifirm | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist | and you can get all the official images | 01:37 |
| Crnkoj | whats navifirm ? | 01:37 |
| ieatlint | yeah, in a dev channel you'll different complaints than what the average consumer faces | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist | how is that hard | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist | a software Crnkoj | 01:37 |
| ieatlint | navifirm is the drama topic of the day | 01:37 |
| Crnkoj | where can i get it, what does it do ? | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist | used to flash nokia devices | 01:37 |
| jesuschrist | its used to flahs nokia devices, easily found on google | 01:38 |
| Richlv | jesuschrist, navifirm, the windows-only software ? | 01:40 |
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| Richlv | no, i don't need it... | 01:40 |
| Richlv | i need it's data :) | 01:41 |
| jesuschrist | its all about windows now baby, windows phone, windows fridges | 01:41 |
| Crnkoj | hahaha | 01:41 |
| Richlv | windows elop | 01:42 |
| ieatlint | windows tablets too | 01:43 |
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| Crnkoj | Richlv so where do i apply for that spot, id like to get preprelease phones for testing for free or being paid for it :) | 01:44 |
| Richlv | Crnkoj, no idea, somewhere in finland, maybe =) | 01:45 |
| Crnkoj | sucks | 01:45 |
| Crnkoj | im some 1.5-2k km far from it than | 01:46 |
| Crnkoj | ^ ^ | 01:46 |
| ieatlint | i just had to beg a lot, take almost no money, and get a tattoo that says "property of nokia" | 01:46 |
| Crnkoj | hahaha | 01:46 |
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| Aranel | jesuschrist: i reopened your bug by the way | 02:05 |
| Aranel | jesuschrist: I think it's misunderstood. | 02:05 |
| jesuschrist | that wasnt me Aranel, it wasnt *my* bug | 02:06 |
| Aranel | the bug, reported by you I assumed, anyway it needs a reopen =) | 02:06 |
| jesuschrist | i already filled another -_- | 02:06 |
| Aranel | for the exact same issue? :| | 02:07 |
| jesuschrist | not total exactly | 02:07 |
| jesuschrist | let me find the url | 02:07 |
| jesuschrist | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=419 | 02:08 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 419 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, ssh daemon not starting as expected | 02:08 |
| jesuschrist | i guess they are related somehow anyway | 02:09 |
| jesuschrist | i find the same issues in the one you opened too anyway | 02:09 |
| Aranel | Crnkoj: fyi, I think you could *easily* (being a little sarcastic here) fix it, see: meego wiki > fixing malf state. | 02:10 |
| Crnkoj | Aranel ah i was rather sure its fixable by an end user | 02:10 |
| Crnkoj | still found it amusing | 02:10 |
| Crnkoj | lol | 02:10 |
| jesuschrist | (how to reopen bugs anyway ara?) | 02:11 |
| Aranel | jesuschrist: under additional comments section, select REOPENED from Status: label and save changes. | 02:11 |
| jesuschrist | oh right, seen that | 02:12 |
| jesuschrist | does what i reported personally ever happened to you too ? | 02:12 |
| jesuschrist | im unsure if the application installing that kills ssh, thats more a feeling | 02:12 |
| Aranel | yup, and X Terminal sometimes doesn't show up on mine after re-enable, so I confirm this is a valid bug. | 02:12 |
| jesuschrist | yeah this xterminal issues | 02:13 |
| jesuschrist | happened to me today | 02:13 |
| jesuschrist | jesuschrist> guys is the meego terminal | 02:13 |
| jesuschrist | <jesuschrist> gone on your devices too ? | 02:13 |
| jesuschrist | as i wrote before | 02:13 |
| Aranel | ah you're asking for #419, nope I didn't, but I don't play with ssh everyday. | 02:13 |
| jesuschrist | yeah anyway i can confirm about the terminal disappereaing from the application launcher | 02:14 |
| Aranel | after a reboot it works again, kind of dumb to reboot whole device just to get a .desktop file created. | 02:14 |
| jesuschrist | didnt try to reboot, im used to reinstall the dev mode | 02:15 |
| jesuschrist | for the sshd issue | 02:15 |
| jesuschrist | so i did that | 02:15 |
| jesuschrist | and ofc rebooting prompted again for my whole account passwords | 02:15 |
| Aranel | Crnkoj: my device got MALF state the night before I was going for a travel for 500~ kilometers, out of nothing, it just occured all in random. Believe me, it's no fun! :p | 02:16 |
| Crnkoj | lol | 02:16 |
| Crnkoj | soy ou had to reflash in fact | 02:16 |
| Crnkoj | ? | 02:16 |
| ieatlint | i've gotten it twice... on an n950 and an n9, both doing OTA updates | 02:17 |
| ieatlint | reflashed firmware, preserving mmc | 02:17 |
| Aranel | nope, mounted N9 as a usb-device to my computer, removed /var/malf, said some nasty things about nokia | 02:17 |
| Aranel | and all gone well ^^ | 02:17 |
| Crnkoj | aha nice lol | 02:18 |
| ieatlint | fun | 02:18 |
| Crnkoj | whats malf actually (havent heard about it in other linux systems) | 02:18 |
| Aranel | it's a disease. | 02:18 |
| jesuschrist | malf its like "device is fucked" | 02:19 |
| Aranel | worst. implementation. ever. | 02:19 |
| jesuschrist | its a status | 02:19 |
| Crnkoj | why woudl deleting it fix it ? | 02:20 |
| Crnkoj | lol | 02:20 |
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| ieatlint | it's a pleasant name at least | 02:20 |
| ieatlint | Crnkoj: the startup system checks if the file exists | 02:20 |
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| ieatlint | it's like a lock file | 02:21 |
| Crnkoj | ye i get that lol | 02:21 |
| Aranel | well in fact I asked for it. my N9 asked for my security lock code, I couldnt remember, I killed its process then I gave it a chmod -x, thought I was clever. Well, unfortunately I wasn't. :P | 02:21 |
| ieatlint | hahaha | 02:21 |
| Aranel | It rebooted and gave me the finger. | 02:21 |
| pawky | aegis again?... | 02:21 |
| Aranel | can't remember exact output, but even if I disable lifeguard on R&D mode, it didnt work. | 02:22 |
| Aranel | but I barely remember there was some crap about "security" so I guess it was. | 02:22 |
| Crnkoj | lol | 02:23 |
| jesuschrist | what process you have -x | 02:23 |
| jesuschrist | you gave | 02:23 |
| Aranel | devicelockd | 02:23 |
| jesuschrist | oh :D | 02:23 |
| Aranel | if you kill it you can get rid of security screen | 02:24 |
| Aranel | for a second.. | 02:24 |
| Aranel | then It spawns it again! | 02:24 |
| Crnkoj | so wait you can mount the phone as usb on a pc and than fuck on it around? isnt that like mega unsecure lol ? | 02:24 |
| Aranel | everytime you kill it. it's like a endless war. | 02:24 |
| Aranel | you can easily see my chain of reasoning. I wanted to put an end to that war :p | 02:24 |
| pawky | Aranel: sound like you need to patch the kernel... | 02:24 |
| Aranel | well later I remembered my pw, it was the same with my ssh user password, I dont remember setting one on UI, but anyway.. | 02:25 |
| Aranel | Crnkoj: if you have physical access to any computer/mobile/stuff with chips on it, it's mega unsecure. | 02:26 |
| Aranel | pawky: open-mode is the next cool thing around ^.^ I'll give it a try. | 02:26 |
| Crnkoj | well ye still | 02:26 |
| Crnkoj | if i have stuff encrypted | 02:26 |
| Crnkoj | ^ ^ | 02:27 |
| Crnkoj | its harder as if i jsut connect and roam lol | 02:27 |
| pawky | Aranel: thats wha I have in mind as well :-) | 02:27 |
| Aranel | yup they're better approaches, but hardly you can implement them on a end-user device. | 02:27 |
| pawky | do I get it right its the same kernel minus aegis? | 02:27 |
| Aranel | pawky: afaik yes, not minus aegis, it just validates every aegis call and it's not signed by Nokia, and open-mode activates itself on every unsigned kernel anyway. | 02:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | anyone else have an issue with their google account signing out | 02:28 |
| Aranel | aegis sits there doing nothing =) | 02:29 |
| jesuschrist | yeah not just google account, all the accounts Sazpaimon_ | 02:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it affects my google account worst | 02:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and it doesnt automatically sign back in | 02:29 |
| Aranel | to wait for your next closed-boot and give you a sweet MALF. | 02:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it stays signed out with incorrect password | 02:29 |
| pawky | Aranel: sounds good enough to me. And then you will also be true root? | 02:29 |
| ieatlint | Sazpaimon_: i also have that issue | 02:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and i have to manually sign back in | 02:30 |
| ieatlint | i swear, pr1.0 was better for gtalk | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | anyone file a bug for it yet? | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its *really* annoying | 02:30 |
| Aranel | pawky: *afaik* yes, there's a tool called opensh with every aegis credential on it. | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i use gtalk for work | 02:30 |
| ieatlint | i don't file bugs, i just whine and bitch | 02:30 |
| jesuschrist | someone said here thats gonna be fixed in 1.2 | 02:30 |
| Aranel | ieatlint: that's the spirit! | 02:30 |
| pawky | Sazpaimon: If you have 1.1 there is a bug in the authentication part.. | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well 1.2 wont be for another few months | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | at least | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I have pr1.1, yes | 02:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | is there any unofficial fix | 02:31 |
| pawky | Sazpaimon: you should be able to log in though, but manually every time you boot.. | 02:31 |
| ieatlint | i've got no inside info here, but i'm somehow doubting it'll be months before 1.2... | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yes, i can log in | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but if i lose service and log out | 02:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it wont automatically log back in | 02:31 |
| pawky | Sazpaimon: upon it all you cannot edit user name and password once you've created the account | 02:31 |
| jesuschrist | i guess you can flash the device back to 1.0 ? | 02:33 |
| pawky | nope.. | 02:33 |
| pawky | you cannot.. | 02:33 |
| jesuschrist | even with the flasher ? | 02:33 |
| pawky | tried it, done it.. nope | 02:33 |
| pawky | you cannot down grade.... grrrr.... | 02:34 |
| jesuschrist | so its not a bugggg! its a featureeee | 02:34 |
| pawky | well.. | 02:34 |
| pawky | very anoying to the least.. | 02:35 |
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| jesuschrist | the nokia dev | 02:37 |
| jesuschrist | on the bug tracker says a hard reset fix the issue | 02:37 |
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| pawky | haven't tried it, but I doubt that will do it... | 02:40 |
| jesuschrist | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 | 02:41 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 123 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots | 02:41 |
| pawky | ok.. i only did one of those.... | 02:42 |
| pawky | i believe i only did root then... | 02:42 |
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| jesuschrist | what you mean | 02:44 |
| pawky | i reflashed my N9... | 02:44 |
| jesuschrist | and ? | 02:45 |
| jesuschrist | did it fix? | 02:45 |
| pawky | still persists.. | 02:45 |
| jesuschrist | nice | 02:45 |
| pawky | but i didnt reload.. (or flash?) that eMMC thingy... | 02:45 |
| jesuschrist | did you reuse a backup you did | 02:45 |
| jesuschrist | or you created | 02:45 |
| jesuschrist | the accounts froms cratch | 02:45 |
| pawky | well.. yes... later on.. | 02:45 |
| pawky | that as well.. | 02:45 |
| pawky | recreated them a few times.. | 02:45 |
| jesuschrist | yeah i mean after you rooted | 02:46 |
| jesuschrist | ahem | 02:46 |
| jesuschrist | reflashed | 02:46 |
| pawky | yup.. | 02:46 |
| jesuschrist | he | 02:46 |
| jesuschrist | meh | 02:46 |
| pawky | but again... i wasnt after eliminating that problem then.. i was into getting my phone from an endless boot loop.. | 02:46 |
| pawky | isnt eMMC about flash memory storage? or is that some pre boot loader? | 02:47 |
| jesuschrist | dont know | 02:47 |
| pawky | I assume its the boot loader.. like grub or similar.. | 02:48 |
| jesuschrist | how much is it big | 02:48 |
| pawky | me neither... but, I am going to replace my phone for a new one, so I am will continue to suffer for a few days to come... ;-) | 02:48 |
| pawky | if its the boot loader it must be as tiny as hell... | 02:49 |
| pawky | if hell can be tiny that is.. | 02:49 |
| jesuschrist | going to get a warranty replaced n9? | 02:49 |
| pawky | well.. mine got a hardware issue... | 02:49 |
| pawky | so yes.. | 02:49 |
| jesuschrist | what hardware issue | 02:50 |
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| pawky | well.. the guys who knows in here (the Nokia guys) are a bit secret about it.... ;-) | 02:50 |
| jesuschrist | lol | 02:50 |
| jesuschrist | why you went to the nokia store in the first place | 02:51 |
| pawky | they might only confirm or deny if the problem exists... | 02:51 |
| jesuschrist | because of the infinite boot loop | 02:51 |
| jesuschrist | ? | 02:51 |
| pawky | mine has already been one round to the repair shop, but in case of replacing it then, they just reflashe it with the new 1.1.... so on top of its problem I now also have to log in several e-mail accounts 10-30 times a day... | 02:51 |
| pawky | a BIT annoing I will admit.. | 02:52 |
| pawky | no... | 02:52 |
| pawky | when I got it back... reflashed an all... I entered all my e-mail credentials, contacts etc... and 10 minutes later I turned the unit into developer mode.. | 02:52 |
| pawky | halfway through the install... something went wrong f.. ing up dnsmasq.. (certainly just the hardware problem kicking in and rebooting) | 02:53 |
| pawky | it left the unit in a bad state only rebooting it constantly.. and on these lovely units you cannot even rip out the battery to make it stop.... | 02:53 |
| pawky | so... to be able to at least reset the phone before returning it, I had to get into it somehow.... Enter stage left... a firmware reflash... | 02:54 |
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| pawky | but i couldnt reflash it with the old 1.0 legally obtained.... so I had to hunt for the 1.1 which I in the end found at Nokia | 02:55 |
| pawky | Now I at least can erase it before returning it... :-) | 02:56 |
| jesuschrist | couldnt you just wait for the battery to die | 02:56 |
| jesuschrist | uh? | 02:56 |
| pawky | well.. it will still have all the e-mails etc on it.. right? | 02:56 |
| pawky | so.. nope it was never an option... | 02:56 |
| jesuschrist | i see | 02:56 |
| jesuschrist | hope you good luck with the next one | 02:57 |
| pawky | and then djszapi started to harass me about doing illegal things yada yada... | 02:57 |
| jesuschrist | sjszapi ? | 02:57 |
| pawky | yeah... there is a risk it might come from the same batch... maybe its just a one off... | 02:57 |
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| pawky | djszapi.. | 02:57 |
| pawky | well.. you can read the back logs... ;-) | 02:57 |
| pawky | he got banned in the end. | 02:58 |
| jesuschrist | uh ok | 02:58 |
| pawky | one could easily say I shouted out your nick names a few times while discussing the matter.. | 02:59 |
| pawky | (name) | 02:59 |
| jesuschrist | cell phones drive the beast inside us | 03:00 |
| pawky | one might say so, yes... long live the N900... | 03:01 |
| jesuschrist | :P | 03:01 |
| pawky | :-) | 03:01 |
| pawky | If i where you i would go for that open... firmware while having a go at reflashing your unit anyway... | 03:02 |
| jesuschrist | im not following you | 03:03 |
| jesuschrist | open firmware? | 03:03 |
| pawky | the one Aranel was speaking about... | 03:03 |
| merlin1991 | I guess he means open mode kernel | 03:04 |
| pawky | yeah.. | 03:04 |
| pawky | that one :-) | 03:04 |
| pawky | but you probably void your warranty.. yada, yada, yada when doing so... ;-) | 03:04 |
| jesuschrist | theres already a kernel for the n9 ? | 03:04 |
| jesuschrist | a not signed | 03:05 |
| jesuschrist | one | 03:05 |
| jesuschrist | ? | 03:05 |
| pawky | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 03:05 |
| jesuschrist | cool who got the source | 03:05 |
| pawky | i would say..... yes.. | 03:05 |
| merlin1991 | afaik it's in the repos by now too (the source) | 03:05 |
| jesuschrist | i head the give the source by dvd via mail lol | 03:06 |
| Aranel | if there's one thing better than open-mode kernel | 03:06 |
| pawky | well.. ehh.. its an open MODE kernel.. | 03:06 |
| Aranel | it's power-kernel! | 03:06 |
| jesuschrist | heard they give | 03:06 |
| Aranel | hope there'll be one for N9. | 03:06 |
| pawky | ok.. i was just to say, i am not sure about open source.. | 03:06 |
| pawky | but maybe we are the lucky ones :-) | 03:06 |
| pawky | Aranel:wasn't the link pointing to an N9 version? | 03:07 |
| jesuschrist | yeah i read n9 on the link | 03:07 |
| Aranel | you mean that link you gave it just about a second ago? yes it does. | 03:07 |
| pawky | yes.. that split of a second fast link :-) | 03:07 |
| jesuschrist | wowow, meaning flash from the n900 could be installed there | 03:07 |
| Aranel | it's open-mode kernel, I was dreaming of power-kernel, just like back in the n900 days. | 03:07 |
| pawky | die uberfast link.. :-D | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: dunno pk broke reboots for me | 03:08 |
| pawky | well.. i am happy enough with people fighting unnecessary DRM stuff.. | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | so I didn't like it :D | 03:08 |
| * Aranel tries to troll ppl around here by "back in old days" stuff, nobody bites :| | 03:08 | |
| pawky | haven't tried it myself.. | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | mandatory for injection enabled wireless driver :/ | 03:09 |
| jesuschrist | im too afraid to unwarrant ma 500 euro phone | 03:09 |
| jesuschrist | ill wait for you rich kids | 03:09 |
| pawky | come on be a sport... :-) | 03:09 |
| pawky | its good fun, and you learn a lot.. if not about the N9, for sure about yourself.. ;-) | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | jesuschrist: I tried (not one of the rich kids though) and it didn't even boot :D | 03:10 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: but it gave you a lot of console output on boot, which looks all geeky and stuff, doesnt it? :p | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: that was the framebuffer kernel :D | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | also R&D mode did it too | 03:10 |
| pawky | merlin1991: are you saying the firmware on the link is kind of buggy? | 03:10 |
| jesuschrist | pawky : installing kernels as a self-consciousness path ? | 03:10 |
| Aranel | it outputs lot of words on boot. case closed. it's awesome. | 03:10 |
| Aranel | >_> | 03:11 |
| merlin1991 | pawky: I'm saying on my device nolo didn't even boot that kernel | 03:11 |
| merlin1991 | I seems to work on some peoples n9 and on a bunch of n950s, but for me it just doesn't get passt nolo | 03:11 |
| merlin1991 | (if we still call it nolo, dunno the technical term for it) | 03:12 |
| Aranel | it's not -yet- stable, or at least announced as stable, so you know the odds. | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: the odds are my nolo doesn't allow unsinged kernels | 03:12 |
| jesuschrist | well have to install it since pr 1.2 | 03:12 |
| jesuschrist | is the last firmware | 03:12 |
| jesuschrist | from nokiasoft | 03:12 |
| pawky | jesuschrist: its a religion in itself ;-) | 03:12 |
| jesuschrist | so, we will have to install it someday | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | pr 1.2? is that due next year? | 03:13 |
| Aranel | jesuschrist: according to konttori's blog -nokia employee- it's not. | 03:13 |
| jesuschrist | some big dev | 03:13 |
| jesuschrist | on the bug tracker | 03:13 |
| jesuschrist | said so | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | s/is/isn't/ | 03:13 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: pr 1.2? isn't that due next year? | 03:13 |
| Aranel | d'oh. got a link on it? | 03:13 |
| jesuschrist | ill find it Aranel | 03:13 |
| pawky | i do believe though.. your warrant will magically return once you put the original firmware back :-) | 03:13 |
| pawky | To my knowledge its only warranty void as long as you run another kernel.. | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | I'm pretty sure there is some partition that keeps track of flashes, just like on the n900 | 03:14 |
| pawky | I dont think that matters... | 03:14 |
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| pawky | if Nokia cannot prove the other kernel actually might destroy your phone and has done so.. | 03:14 |
| Aranel | pawky: *afaik* -i like this word, it keeps you okay even if you spill out bs, anyway, back to topic..- they have their way to know if you void your warranty by kernel replacement. | 03:15 |
| pawky | is a warranty void if you install linux on a computer you've bought with Windows? | 03:15 |
| pawky | especially if you reinstall it again with windows? | 03:15 |
| jesuschrist | Aranel : https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=96 | 03:15 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 96 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, [cloned] x-org server compiled to disable double buffering in x11 | 03:15 |
| jesuschrist | im refering to | 03:15 |
| merlin1991 | pawky: there's even waranty "void" with some computers if you open it up | 03:15 |
| pawky | i believe that will be country dependent then.. | 03:16 |
| pawky | Apple tried that one.. but didnt succeed.. | 03:16 |
| jesuschrist | When a PR release goes public, the next PR release is already starting to enter | 03:16 |
| jesuschrist | the (months long) bugfixes-only phase. PR1.1 was just released and I think | 03:16 |
| jesuschrist | PR1.2 is already bug-fixes only. So probably the earliest this could actually | 03:16 |
| jesuschrist | come would be PR1.3, but PR1.2 may be the last release that adds new features | 03:16 |
| jesuschrist | in addition to bug fixes. After that it's likely critical-bug-fixes-only. | 03:16 |
| Aranel | jesuschrist: you mean comment #12? he says "Even if it would" not "it is" certainty. | 03:16 |
| pawky | In sweden Nokia would have a hard time trying to express a warranty void ... | 03:16 |
| jesuschrist | comment 10 | 03:16 |
| pawky | then again.. they can say whatever until you take it to court.. | 03:16 |
| jesuschrist | sorry for the paste | 03:17 |
| jesuschrist | comment 10 Aranel | 03:17 |
| jesuschrist | PR1.2 may be the last release that adds new features | 03:17 |
| jesuschrist | in addition to bug fixes. After that it's likely critical-bug-fixes-only. | 03:17 |
| jesuschrist | ta daaaaa | 03:17 |
| pawky | not really sure what you have answered there... | 03:18 |
| pawky | but its a bit sad to hear it has a limited developing cycle.. | 03:18 |
| jesuschrist | im pasting | 03:18 |
| jesuschrist | from the bug | 03:18 |
| jesuschrist | tracker pawky | 03:18 |
| jesuschrist | not my words | 03:18 |
| jesuschrist | so 1.2 most likely last update | 03:19 |
| jesuschrist | then open/power/uber kernel is the only way | 03:19 |
| jesuschrist | most likely | 03:19 |
| Aranel | well I don't know about details but I think there'll be a PR1.3 -referring to that blog- , but I also think that It won't bring anything important/useful -referring to that comment- | 03:19 |
| pawky | is the full kernel source out? | 03:20 |
| jesuschrist | they have to release it | 03:20 |
| Aranel | and I hate when I have to refer to a blog and a bugzilla to know if a platform will get updates or not. :| | 03:20 |
| jesuschrist | they must release | 03:20 |
| jesuschrist | since its gpl | 03:20 |
| pawky | must? | 03:20 |
| jesuschrist | must, or class actions | 03:21 |
| jesuschrist | the licence is gpl | 03:21 |
| luke-jr | no | 03:21 |
| luke-jr | you can't class-action a GPL violation | 03:21 |
| luke-jr | only the copyright holder can sue | 03:21 |
| pawky | well that doesnt necessarily mean any property modules.. | 03:21 |
| jesuschrist | but they have to release the source luke-jr | 03:21 |
| luke-jr | also, they're in violation if they didn't ALREADY include an offer to all N9 customers | 03:21 |
| jesuschrist | they also provided and email for source requests | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | jesuschrist: yes, but the customers cannot sue for it | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | ok | 03:22 |
| jesuschrist | who should then | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | if they provided a means to request it, then they're in compliance | 03:22 |
| pawky | are you sure they cannot? | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | there is no explicit time limit | 03:22 |
| pawky | hmm... | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | jesuschrist: the copyright holder over whatever is violated | 03:22 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr is correct | 03:22 |
| ieatlint | only the person who owns the copyright to the code is legally the wronged party, not the end user | 03:23 |
| jesuschrist | i guess the linux foundation then... ? | 03:23 |
| pawky | well.. if the kernel is out, the source should be obtainable as well.. if being GPL... | 03:23 |
| Aranel | luke-jr: if I set time limit to 100 years and provide an e-mail as haha.no.chance@mycompany.com, can I use all GPL'd stuff on my project, closed like hell? | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | jesuschrist: unlikely. if we're talking about the Linux kernel, there are hundreds of copyright holders | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | pawky: yes, but they can take their time within reason | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | Aranel: I'm sure in practice a court would interpret a reasonable time limit | 03:23 |
| pawky | right.. a 100 years, might be going a tad to far... | 03:23 |
| pawky | but.. yeah like 6 months might be ok.. | 03:23 |
| pawky | for whatever reason .. | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | but "omg it's been weeks" probably won't fly | 03:24 |
| jesuschrist | meh | 03:24 |
| ieatlint | as i understand the source is already out | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: all of it? | 03:24 |
| ieatlint | and there's a website where you can order a dvd of it | 03:24 |
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| ieatlint | luke-jr: not sure | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | wtf? why not a CD? | 03:24 |
| ieatlint | too big? | 03:24 |
| jesuschrist | cd ? | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | the kernel⁇? | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | kernels are tiny | 03:25 |
| ieatlint | there's a lot more than just the kernel | 03:25 |
| jesuschrist | ah right, you can get a dvd | 03:25 |
| jesuschrist | lol | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | the rest is probably closed :P | 03:25 |
| jesuschrist | if you send them an email | 03:25 |
| ieatlint | eh, it's got a gnu base | 03:25 |
| pawky | a huuuuuge I will sue your ass EULA probably .. ;-) | 03:25 |
| jesuschrist | you sure about that thing luke = | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: it does? N900 didn't | 03:26 |
| pawky | eatlint: thats what I am trying to say.. | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | jesuschrist: what thing? | 03:26 |
| jesuschrist | that we cant sue them if they refuse to us | 03:26 |
| jesuschrist | the source code | 03:26 |
| pawky | well.. ill bet they've closed things up a bit nowadays when shaking hands with Microsoft.. | 03:26 |
| Aranel | I removed my dvd-rw long time ago, offering the same thing to Nokia, it feels me all 2000-era. | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | jesuschrist: unless you hold copyright on a relevant part of Linux | 03:26 |
| pawky | otherwise we would still be able to gain full root on the device.. | 03:26 |
| jesuschrist | i thought you couldnt use copyright and gpl in the same sentence | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | jesuschrist: or represent someone who does | 03:27 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: thought it did, but i may be wrong | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | jesuschrist: GPL is a copyright license. | 03:27 |
| jesuschrist | but im quite ignorante on those legal facts | 03:27 |
| pawky | When will retro come to computers?.. how about 360 floppies :-) | 03:27 |
| pawky | thats funny, mr jesus christ being ignorant :-) | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: N900 used BusyBox | 03:28 |
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| Aranel | well at least they didnt offer it as punch cards, that would be pita | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | hmmm, it's definitely busybox here too, but i thought it was glib | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | pawky: funnier is that he's banned from #Jesus | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | perhaps not though | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: glib is not GNU base | 03:28 |
| pawky | ahh those good old punche cards! :-d | 03:28 |
| pawky | :-) | 03:28 |
| ieatlint | err, glibc | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | :p | 03:28 |
| pawky | I wonder how many cards are needed to back up a 1 terrabyte disk.. | 03:28 |
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| ieatlint | :P | 03:28 |
| merlin1991 | I wonder if it would be a valid bug report to report not being able to load unsinged kernel | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | I have 1 patch in the Linux kernel… but it's too minor to claim copyright over. | 03:29 |
| jesuschrist | im not banned on #jesus | 03:29 |
| jesuschrist | i just entered | 03:29 |
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| jesuschrist | but i guess they banned me now | 03:29 |
| jesuschrist | :D | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | oh, they used to have a ban on *jesus* | 03:29 |
| ieatlint | don't get me wrong, if it doesn't have gnu, i'm happy | 03:29 |
| * ieatlint isn't a big gnu fan | 03:29 | |
| Aranel | pawky: it would build a road to moon, twice. *randomly spitting out nonsense comparisons, since there's no way to disprove* | 03:29 |
| jesuschrist | anyway have a nice night gentlemen | 03:29 |
| jesuschrist | good night | 03:30 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: strictly speaking, their source code must include crypto keys that are part of the kernel binary <.< | 03:30 |
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| pawky | maybe you should try #christ instead? :-) | 03:30 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: as well as any used to create a signature for it | 03:30 |
| pawky | ohh. damn.. hope he didn't get offended :-( | 03:30 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: it would be valid, since it works on other devices and open-mode is offered by Nokia themselves. | 03:30 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: where? | 03:31 |
| pawky | it is? :-) | 03:31 |
| * Aranel of course it my POV, they can close it as RESO INVALID, Harmattan Bugs is a scary place. | 03:31 | |
| Aranel | when you boot an unsigned kernel, your device itself moves to open-mode | 03:31 |
| pawky | how can one tell? | 03:32 |
| Aranel | so it's not offered by the unsigned kernel, it's already built-in on your device. | 03:32 |
| pawky | maybe I put in an unsigned kernel :-) | 03:32 |
| pawky | i got it from Nokia | 03:32 |
| * Aranel Source(s): I read it somewhere, don't remember where. :p | 03:32 | |
| merlin1991 | my trouble is that I throw an unsinged kernel @ n9 and it decides todo nothin | 03:32 |
| merlin1991 | not even boot | 03:32 |
| Mek | and it is an N9 with PR1.1? (or do I misremember PR1.1 being what has the fixed NOLO to make this possible) | 03:33 |
| merlin1991 | yep it is | 03:33 |
| Aranel | pawky: if you got it from Nokia it's not unsigned. | 03:33 |
| pawky | :-( | 03:33 |
| Aranel | pawky: i think you meant navifirm firmwares, they're signed by Nokia. | 03:34 |
| merlin1991 | Mek: it shows 1.1 in the about product thingy an I remember updating to 1.1 so yea I'd say it's 1.1 | 03:34 |
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| Aranel | pawky: if you try to boot an unsigned kernel it will throw a way scaaary notice about warranty void. | 03:35 |
| merlin1991 | Aranel: it throws nothing for me | 03:35 |
| merlin1991 | only charging icon if I keep usb cable in too long :P | 03:35 |
| pawky | Aranel: my eyes tend to filter these things out... | 03:36 |
| Aranel | merlin1991: I wonder why it doesn't work for you. doesn't flasher give any output on your host PC? | 03:36 |
| merlin1991 | flasher has the balbla warranty only tech people blabla, then sending kernel image, then success | 03:36 |
| merlin1991 | and after that it returns and nothing else happens | 03:36 |
| Aranel | well in a normal story, which ends with a happy ending, it would boot your device | 03:37 |
| Aranel | and It would boot with a scary notice, then right in to the UI and stuff | 03:37 |
| merlin1991 | no hollywood in europe I guess | 03:37 |
| Aranel | you could see if it boots on normal or open mode by.. *dunno exact command, maybe its wrong* accli -L or something like that. | 03:38 |
| Aranel | that's weird. you should call nokia care and tell them you want to boot an unsigned kernel on your Harmattan device. | 03:38 |
| Aranel | and later you should explain them what a kernel is. | 03:38 |
| merlin1991 | great fun | 03:39 |
| Aranel | *not the same applies for every country ofc, it applies to mine* | 03:39 |
| merlin1991 | only that this is a developer device and I can't give care anything :/ | 03:39 |
| merlin1991 | also it's accli -I and the mode is "normal" | 03:39 |
| Aranel | how about getting your hands dirty | 03:40 |
| Aranel | and flashing the kernel | 03:40 |
| Aranel | instead of loading it? | 03:40 |
| merlin1991 | eww | 03:40 |
| Aranel | *then bricking your devices, losing everything, and swearing here!* | 03:40 |
| merlin1991 | actually only problem is I don't have the original zimage to recover in case of what you mentioned | 03:40 |
| Aranel | well I would throw a chuck norris joke but I'm tired of it :| | 03:41 |
| merlin1991 | roundhouse kicking the average mobile device didn't proove helpfull so far | 03:42 |
| Aranel | dunno, maybe you should ask it later to javispedro, he knows much more than me. | 03:42 |
| merlin1991 | oh I've been pondering him already, he does not have the slightest idea what I could try | 03:42 |
| * merlin1991 wants a white n9 | 03:43 | |
| Aranel | :| so you have to wait for open-mode to get a stable release -if it ever happens- | 03:43 |
| Aranel | or backup & flash the open kernel. | 03:43 |
| merlin1991 | great idea | 03:43 |
| merlin1991 | tbh I'd rather hack my n900 instead of fighting against aegis | 03:44 |
| pawky | merlin1991:gives a spray can.... white.. | 03:44 |
| merlin1991 | but the swipe ui compared with the screen is so awesome | 03:44 |
| Aranel | I wouldn't report it to bugzilla since Nokia really cares about those reports a lot, they can't live anymore when a user suffers. | 03:44 |
| merlin1991 | pawky: doesn't make it 64gb though | 03:44 |
| pawky | merlin1991:gives a 46GB USB key... | 03:45 |
| pawky | merlin1991:(48) | 03:45 |
| merlin1991 | and now you give me the openmode kernel that has usb-host mode and runs on my device too? | 03:45 |
| merlin1991 | otherwise your argument is invalid :D | 03:45 |
| pawky | merlin:will the white N9 have it ? | 03:46 |
| merlin1991 | nfc, but I could need a backup phone when I start trying to brick my current device | 03:46 |
| merlin1991 | ;) | 03:46 |
| Aranel | well maybe I wouldnt want that much to move into open-kernel if normal kernel wasn't that suspicious over everything. (see bug 376) | 03:46 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=376 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Manual Security Lock | 03:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: What is the youngs modulus of the desk, and at what velocity did your skull impact it? | 03:54 |
| pawky | count reply delay as meter/sec... | 03:55 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: in order for it to properly display my dislike for the assignment it would be a youngs modulus of 1220 GPa and a speed of about 100m/s | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 03:57 |
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| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: you might be happy to hear that I finnished that assignment now without actually hurting myself ;) | 05:51 |
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| dm8tbr | mmoooooo | 07:41 |
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| * dm8tbr dons his tinfoil hat | 07:42 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer is amazed he still sees all new (to him) english vacabulary every other day | 07:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | knew one day it would fire back to ready byte mag while english lessons in school ;-D | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ready/read/ | 07:45 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: knew one day it would fire back to read byte mag while english lessons in school ;-D | 07:45 |
| dm8tbr | during :-þ | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I couldn't tell why nit "while" - isn't language and they way it's formed in your brain something pretty amazing? | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | not* | 07:47 |
| dm8tbr | and honestly, at least I got my boost of english when I started giving a flying f.unk about the lessons and just did stuff for fun (like watching all movies non-dubbed) | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | while seems a completely unrelated term here. Coffe didn't kick in yet | 07:48 |
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| dm8tbr | germany sucks for dubbing all movies | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hardly can follow lectures in English. Movies usually are way to tedious | 07:50 |
| villager | I think "while" was wrong because it's a conjuntion, so it would require adding a verb to the sentence, like "while attending english lessons" | 07:50 |
| villager | (just wanted to see if I would be able to figure out why) | 07:50 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds about ridht | 07:51 |
| villager | s/conjuntion/conjunction | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | also: while lssons at school gave me the opportunity to read byte mag, they didn't help for learning to understand spoken English | 07:52 |
| dm8tbr | that's where the movies would come in :) | 07:53 |
| * dm8tbr likes that finland generally doesn't dub stuff | 07:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | English movies with English subtitles, my dream. Hard to find though | 07:54 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: teh intarwebz deliver ;) | 07:54 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: actually quite easy, any proper english cinema in austria/germany does it that way :D | 07:54 |
| dm8tbr | merlin1991: no, they do OmU with the 'U' in german | 07:55 |
| merlin1991 | omu? | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 07:55 |
| dm8tbr | Orginalton mit Untertiteln | 07:55 |
| merlin1991 | ah :D | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Original mit Untertitel | 07:55 |
| merlin1991 | well I knew at least 3 here in vienna where you get original with english subs | 07:56 |
| dm8tbr | ah, that's nice | 07:56 |
| * dm8tbr knows a cinema in frankfurt where they show original versions, no sub-titles | 07:56 | |
| dm8tbr | then again frankfurt used to be occupied by both US and UK military for quite long, that could have something to do with it ;) | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | now with digital cinema things should change quite a bit | 07:58 |
| dm8tbr | which reminds me that my projector broke and I need to buy me a new one | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the times where I could service Bauer B9 35mm projectors are definitely ending | 07:59 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he could get some broken projectors. | 08:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | to do what? | 08:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Unbreak them. | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | those things frequently weigh >200kg for the mere projector incl lamp house | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 1600W transformer for the xenon bulb another felt 10.000 kg | 08:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Not themovie sort. :) | 08:02 |
| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: you wouldn't want mine, suddenly started freezing the picture and going black. opened it, forced lamp on etc, no joy. seems some IC bit the dust, or the DLP itself. :( | 08:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Ohwell. | 08:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I have way too muchnonfunctional crap in reality. :) | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: you got some bot nicked the-boss invited? | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you did not, so I banned it yesterday | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | for viaolating at least 3 of the general freenode rules about bots | 08:16 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I don't see any reason for it being here. Also it pisses me off that it uses # as the trigger-char | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:17 |
| merlin1991 | didn't someone claim it's his bot? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: out of morbid security, where are those rules? | 08:17 |
| * merlin1991 darkly remembers something | 08:17 | |
| Stskeeps | er, curiousity | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: search chanlogs for rule #1, yesterday | 08:18 |
| dm8tbr | on the freenode webpages IIRC, the ones that get seldomly ever read | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: IRC logs don't count | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i mean actual, official rules on a webpage | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | go find them yourselves, my info on that has no origin tag in my mind | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | because i can't find them after glancing through policies | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | A lot I learned from TimRiker | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 08:19 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 08:19 |
| merlin1991 | Actually apart from rules about cloaks and FAQ entries about beeing considered a ddos bot there are no hard rules about bots in the freenode policies | 08:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rules as gathered by me over time: get permission, show you're a bot, show owner/contact for service (when misbehaves), don't log (and publish) chan without public notice in chan, do not interfere with other bots, do not spam chan with crap | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's all sane, but it doesn't seem to be actual freenode policies | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | most of it actually is | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | one way or another | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | .. but not documented or published anywhere | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, #freenode has no chanlog, that's right | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though there are actually a lot of helptext pages not exactly under freenode.com that nevertheless have instructive material about freenode policies and operation modes | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | if in doubt: /join #freenode, ask | 08:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or - if you wanna have a "fun" time (though probably rather educational experiance) - go #freenode and ping staff about "this evil chanop on #randomchan kickbanned my bot, what can I do??? PLZ HLP!" | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | #nospambots! | 09:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer nods and grunts | 09:05 | |
| Stskeeps | all i'm saying is that the rules you're hearing (except maybe for log one) doesn't seem to be actually officially published anywhere on freenode.net and hence not official network policy | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | from the MOTD: | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | [07:17] -!- - By connecting to freenode you indicate that you have read | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | [07:17] -!- - and agree to adhere to our policies and procedures as per | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | [07:17] -!- - the website (http://freenode.net). | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, staff on #freenode telling me stuff for me is "official" enough | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | so, they could have told you that you can't wear pants in an IRC channel, but it doesn't make it official policy | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | but it's good to know who i can ask to tell you that the world isn't round :) | 09:09 |
| w00t | i vote we add that to #harmattan's rules | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, then rule #1 applies: I'm (co-)chan owner :-D | 09:09 |
| w00t | /topic A place for pantsless harmattan device and development discussions | ... | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | the rule of common sense in all chan administered by me: bots misbehaving in any way, not showing admininstartive contact, and not even being invited, are an instatnt ban | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THIS IS official | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah, fascist rule, i see | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | administrative* | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, bots are inferior class of life | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 09:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that racist? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't fascism kinda racistic? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | point | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I admit I apply almost same rules to all users, not only bots ;-P | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'm just evil, not fascist | 09:14 |
| dm8tbr | hmm still no godwin? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: DocScrutinizer's german as far as i remember, so it's not appropiate to invoke godwin, i guess :P | 09:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ponder what D in dm8tbr might mean | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, i know | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | is M the licence? | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "M: up to 500W TX" | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | FYI: http://www.google.de/search?q=site:http://freenode.net+bot anf follow all link you find in the pages linked by google ( **bot) | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | should yield a bit about bot policies common sense | 09:22 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: sort of, yes. DM is only issued to class A nowadays, and that's 750W+1dB(measurement inaccuracy) and all amateur radio bands. | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: a bit of implicit policies shining through in first 2 of http://blog.freenode.net/category/projects/page/2/ | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | also http://blog.freenode.net/2007/12/blogging-about-logging/ | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think we have something more productive to do than finding obscure references in blog posts. it should be possible to find the location of the antichrist by decoding the first letter of each freenode blog post | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>We, freenode staff, are also surprised, not to mention rather upset, that this company has chosen to completely ignore our policies[...]<< | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: well, you asked for it, you get it | 09:38 |
| w00t | that's talking about logging, not bots | 09:38 |
| w00t | and that *is* explicitly mentioned | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | these 2 posts show me you need to read more carefully, and understand what the whole thing actually is about | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | logging is done by..? rrrright: bots | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | or irc clients | 09:39 |
| w00t | I log | 09:39 |
| w00t | I'm not a bot | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2^^ | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | i used to write ircds, i'm very well aware of it, my point is that there's no official policy, in MOTD or in the policies page | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | simple as that | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | and now i'm done wasting my time, back to work | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and this is almost triggering my autoresponder grepping for terms about legalese | 09:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer too back to work | 09:41 | |
| Stskeeps | i could mention aegis too if that gets your blood pressure up | 09:41 |
| RST38h | Moorning gentlemen | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I promised to not bitch about aegis anymore, since we got "official" openmode kernel | 09:41 |
| RST38h | Hey Stskeeps, Doc | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | promised to try not to... | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi RST38h | 09:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If you go withthe openmode kernel does the existing sw work? | 09:42 |
| RST38h | Doc: Are you trying to classify w00t as a bot? =) | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah :-D | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: $Nokia_at_large claims it should | 09:43 |
| * SpeedEvil prefers to believe external sources. | 09:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. if something doesn't work in openmode, then that's considered a bug | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I got about Nokia's official notion regarding that | 09:44 |
| RST38h | And what is Nokia's official policy of fixing Maemo6 bugs? =) | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | WONTFIX? | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: any proper reports highly appreciated anyway | 09:46 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes. | 09:46 |
| SpeedEvil | However, I'm involved in insulating my bedroom, and getting various bits of the outbuildings watertight before winter, so have no time for fun stuff. :/ | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DANG, I was stupid enough to read a bit more in yesterday's chanlog. Mentioning aegis doesn't change my blood pressure. The BS dj spreads about images downloaded form an official Nokia fileserver via navifirm were NDA'd and thus illegal to use... WOOOAAAHH >:-( | 10:02 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Just ignore him, will you? | 10:04 |
| RST38h | Does he still work for Nokia, anyway? | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | already closed the chanlog window, definitely | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: he never exactly did | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | he works for a subcontractor that does (od did) some aegis development for Nokia | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | (or * | 10:05 |
| RST38h | But, I mean, is he still a subcontractor? | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno. Does it matter? | 10:06 |
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| gabriel9|work | what is ilegal_ | 10:11 |
| gabriel9|work | img from Nokia server? How is that? | 10:11 |
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| gabriel9|work | DocScrutinizer: can you send me a link of that channellog? | 10:16 |
| tomma | this? http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-12-14.log.html | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | I think there is a misconception on the meaning of the word 'illegal' | 10:19 |
| RST38h | yes, there definitely is | 10:19 |
| RST38h | at least for one guy, there is | 10:19 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 10:20 |
| gabriel9|work | i used Nokia img and now i did something ilegal | 10:21 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 10:21 |
| gabriel9|work | and i pay for the device | 10:21 |
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| mpr | how can I display a one-symbol status in the bouncing clock lock screen from my app similar to what arriving mail etc. does? | 10:31 |
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| RST38h | mpr: there is no official way afaik | 10:41 |
| mpr | is there an unofficial one? | 10:42 |
| RST38h | mpr: there is undocumented API for adding notifications to the home screen, that has been largely documented by interested parties now | 10:42 |
| RST38h | it involves MTF | 10:42 |
| mpr | what do you mean by home screen, the one where you can actually add events through MEventFeed or the black one? | 10:43 |
| MohammadAG | yay, finally got lists | 10:48 |
| MohammadAG | mpr, RST38h I think both events are built into the lock screen | 10:49 |
| mpr | "both"? | 10:49 |
| MohammadAG | aka when there's an incoming call the lock screen reads the number + name and bounces | 10:49 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not related to the phone app | 10:49 |
| MohammadAG | same goes for alarm | 10:49 |
| MohammadAG | this makes perfect sense in why both calls and alarms have to be dismissed after swiping | 10:50 |
| mpr | how does it read that information? | 10:50 |
| MohammadAG | DBus | 10:50 |
| MohammadAG | one suggestion to make this work for other stuff is LD_PRELOAD | 10:50 |
| mpr | but it's not possible to make it somehow read something else except information from built-in apps? | 10:50 |
| MohammadAG | due to the (I think) retarded implementation, no | 10:51 |
| mpr | meh | 10:51 |
| MohammadAG | without LD_PRELOAD anyway | 10:51 |
| mpr | not sure if I want to do a hack at that level for an app that would be distributed to others :) | 10:51 |
| MohammadAG | the hack could become a library for other devs to hook onto | 10:52 |
| mpr | hmm | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | one way *might* be to give the lockscreen app a patched fontset (it uses a very specific one I guess) and change the space, 1 and 2 chars to sth that has a leading icon displaying your state/notification left to the first digit of time | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, I can't believe I'm suggesting such terrible crap | 10:53 |
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| mpr | can you give some pointers on how I'd proceed with this if I'd actually attempt it | 10:55 |
| mpr | for starters where can I find the lock screen code? | 10:55 |
| MohammadAG | systemui | 10:59 |
| MohammadAG | it's a systemui plugin that's closed source | 11:00 |
| mpr | argh :) | 11:00 |
| mpr | is there anyone in nokia here who'd have access to the guys responsible for it? | 11:01 |
| MohammadAG | we don't support mafia operations :P | 11:05 |
| mpr | 3rd party app development is mafia? | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG | oh, thought you wanted to kill someone for the retarded implementation :P | 11:05 |
| mpr | no, I just want to get a status indication to the lock screen in whatever way is easiest :) | 11:06 |
| mpr | seems that the options right now are to either talk to nokia and get a change to the lock screen or the source released, or some really low-level hackery by groping in the dark | 11:07 |
| MohammadAG | laptop's kinda burning | 11:07 |
| MohammadAG | first isn't going to happen | 11:08 |
| MohammadAG | or second | 11:08 |
| mpr | :/ | 11:08 |
| mpr | why not | 11:08 |
| mpr | you'd think that the meego people there would be doing whatever they can to get 3rd party development going | 11:09 |
| dm8tbr | there are no meego people left | 11:16 |
| dm8tbr | only harmattan | 11:16 |
| mpr | yes, well, whatever the name, there'll be no people left at all in that division unless they get app development going from the outside :) | 11:17 |
| mpr | and this is very specifically an issue in an nokia-internal harmattan component | 11:18 |
| MohammadAG | mpr, because the bug report was already closed afaik | 11:19 |
| mpr | and a bit of googling shows that I'm not the only one who has this issue | 11:19 |
| luke-jr | isn't Nokia 100% behind Windows now? | 11:19 |
| MohammadAG | I can't remember the number | 11:19 |
| mpr | well then they should reconsider | 11:19 |
| MohammadAG | why's that? | 11:19 |
| MohammadAG | from a business standpoint | 11:19 |
| luke-jr | I kinda figured they only did N9 because of some contractual obligation | 11:20 |
| mpr | well sure, most of nokia may not see any future in harmattan, but I'd imagine that the people working on it do | 11:20 |
| petteri | i thought they continue the development as next billion platform | 11:21 |
| luke-jr | I'm just surprised to hear Nokia still has ANYONE working on it :P | 11:21 |
| petteri | with different focus of cource | 11:21 |
| mpr | well they have quite a lot of people, it's symbian that's being shut down | 11:22 |
| petteri | yes and microsoft is doing the wp7 development, so nokia is bacially linux only dev company :) | 11:22 |
| decibyte | speaking of: "Danish Bank Believes Nokia Will Sell To Microsoft" <http://informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232300523> | 11:22 |
| mpr | they've even announced other linux platforms for lower-end phones etc. that will no doubt use a lot of the stuff that has been developed for harmattan | 11:22 |
| SpeedEvil | There was a typo - it wasn't the next 1000000000 - someone had a sticky key. | 11:22 |
| luke-jr | well, the whole thing that made Maemo any good was that it *wasn't* a phone platform | 11:23 |
| mpr | boohoo | 11:23 |
| mpr | I quite like my n9, I just have an annoying problem with some functionality not being exposed to outside devs | 11:24 |
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| mpr | you can see that the guys who've worked on it have hoped for the platform to attract devs, there's been a lot of attention paid to detail | 11:32 |
| mpr | so it's quite annoying to then hit some minor problem and then get told that there's no way to get that fixed :) | 11:33 |
| MohammadAG | fucking uni | 11:38 |
| MohammadAG | I'm actually making progress with sociality | 11:38 |
| mpr | that always-visible mail status thing is really useful, you can just glance at your phone to see if there's anything that needs checking, so even though it might seem an irrelevant thing it actually makes the user experience way better | 11:38 |
| decibyte | mpr: i think you're preaching to the choir :) | 11:39 |
| deram | I'd like to see same type of indicator for battery level under 20% | 11:40 |
| mpr | well I don't have access to the people that need the preaching, I'm hoping that someone here does | 11:40 |
| decibyte | deram: an indication when it's in power save mode would be great (whether it's at 20% or something else). | 11:41 |
| deram | decibyte: that would be sufficient, though I think it should be different, by not wanting it to really enter powersave if possible | 11:42 |
| deram | so powersave+10% could be usable | 11:42 |
| decibyte | deram: you've got a point there. | 11:42 |
| decibyte | well... the indicator just needs a HUGE control panel for tweaking :) | 11:43 |
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| decibyte | also an option to set the color of the indicator to red instead of white. i know some would love that. | 11:44 |
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| deram | yes, and separate brightnes setting for indicator. | 11:45 |
| deram | I have the base brightness at minimum and the indicator could be even dimmer | 11:45 |
| gri | Nokia Developer Projects is back! if someone is interested :D | 11:47 |
| SpeedEvil | gri: What does it do? | 11:47 |
| decibyte | btw, a friend of mine asked me if it would be possible to make the lock screen clock fade out/in when changing position, instead of the hard no-transition it does now. is that possible or is there some sort of hardware limitation in the low power display mode? | 11:47 |
| decibyte | (clock AND icons) | 11:47 |
| gri | SpeedEvil: It's the project site like maemo garage that was down for ~2 weeks now | 11:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Fade in and out will use power when fading in and out | 11:48 |
| gri | SpeedEvil: I just need it for bug tracking | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | As the CPU has to be actuve (say) 20 times to dim, and 20 times to bridhten | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | not simply once to rewrite the diplay | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 11:48 |
| decibyte | SpeedEvil: which will make a negative impact on battery life one would be able to notice? | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Possibly | 11:51 |
| decibyte | SpeedEvil: okay. but it _is_ possible if you don't care about battery? no hardware limitations? | 11:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Of course. | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The issue is again - it's a closed component. | 11:55 |
| decibyte | cool. thanks. i'll tell him to hack it himself then :) | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Closed, and aegis. | 11:55 |
| decibyte | haha | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Though the open kernel may be an option, I'm unsure. | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I've yet to see anyone report if the normal software stack works with that. | 11:56 |
| decibyte | it's more of a theoretical thing for him (and me). it's just that the hard transition attracts your attention. | 11:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | I agree. | 12:00 |
| tomma | gri, still say "Go get a coffee and by the time you are back we should be online again." | 12:04 |
| tomma | aah ok now works | 12:04 |
| gri | tomma: yeah, it worked, then the coffee break warning came then it worked again | 12:04 |
| gri | seems like this only shows up sometimes | 12:05 |
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| Arkenoi | hmm, seems that merging contacts stopped working completely on my phone :-/ | 13:14 |
| Arkenoi | at least if one of mergees is online service contact | 13:14 |
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| Arkenoi | i wonder if it can be diagnosed or fixed | 13:15 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks storing contacts and messages in tracker store is terribly bad idea and very poorly implemented | 13:32 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 seconds on that notion of Arkenoi | 13:39 | |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, the worst thing I have no slightest idea how to repair it if something is wrong | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nuke-all and redo seems the strategy | 13:41 |
| xarcass | ~seen wazd | 13:41 |
| infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 18d 21h 29m 24s ago, saying: 'Venemo: wazzup? :)'. | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | however there is *some* kind of dedicated database still somewhere in your $home | 13:42 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, and what if I do not want to lose all my data? | 13:42 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, as we already do know there is no soft reset on harmattan | 13:42 |
| Arkenoi | everything just gets killed | 13:43 |
| Jaffa | Anyone got a fix for really laggy SSH on N950/N9? "iwconfig wlan0 power off" won't work, even under devel-su | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: don't ask me, I always thought thanks to general architecture esp regarding aegis the whole harmattan is unservicable and evventually that issue will bite Nokia's ass when backups are impossible to restore etc | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems to me system architects had no checkpoint 'servicevbackup' on their whiteboard | 13:47 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, i remember we had pretty simple and working backups on symbian s80 and fscking hell on s60 just because of stupid DRM | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s.v./. | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | basically same here | 13:48 |
| Arkenoi | as one may easily figure out, s80 backups were just what one may expect - plain file system backups | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 15:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 15:01 |
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| lizardo | looks like I missed a lot from yesterday :) | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less exciting than it sounds. | 15:14 |
| lizardo | well, I will not ask, there is log for such things ;) | 15:15 |
| lizardo | wtf? My Nokia Developer profile settings page is in Japanese ? | 15:18 |
| lizardo | anyone having this problem? Page: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Settings.xhtml (need to login with nokia developer account) | 15:19 |
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| lizardo | ok, nao seems back to English. weird. | 15:22 |
| lizardo | now* | 15:22 |
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| lizardo | GeneralAntilles, well, looks like I at least missed the lumia DDP, because it doesn't show on my DDP page :/ well at least I can focus on N9 | 15:30 |
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| gri | lizardo: Ask them back, there was nothing mentioned about a limited number of devices | 15:36 |
| lizardo | gri, I'm still wondering how it would be useful to me , but thanks for the hint :) | 15:37 |
| gri | lizardo: Well, there's always someone who'd love a device you don't need. Siblings, parents, wife :) | 15:38 |
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| jreznik | gri: it was mentioned there, at least I had it there - there's set of devices and they are not going to add more | 15:50 |
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| gri | jreznik: Oh, I did not know that | 15:51 |
| jreznik | but still you can ask your local nokia guys to give some devices, they have a list not to duplicate DDP/their own secret deposit to give devels | 15:51 |
| jreznik | in the corporate way: "ask this people on the list if they already received one, if not, don't tell them they will receive" :) | 15:52 |
| * alterego wonders if Nokia have a way to check an IMEI | 15:54 | |
| Arkenoi | is there any logical level dump/restore utility for tracker database? i mean, like sql dump, not "cp" ? | 15:57 |
| Arkenoi | need to repair broken one | 15:57 |
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| javispedro | baah. | 16:01 |
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| * alterego wonders what this Nokia Pulse stuff is about. | 16:09 | |
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| MohammadAG | fucking AKG headphones | 16:23 |
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| MohammadAG | you'd think if they don't give you silcon replacements they make it permanently attached | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | but no, it fell out | 16:23 |
| Tronic | Hmm, haven't tried that but apple pie wasn't very good for fucking. | 16:23 |
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| deram | MohammadAG: haven't seen any headphones with actually replacement silicons included. many which have multiple sizes yes, but none with multiple pieces of same size | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | deram, no other sizes as well | 16:26 |
| deram | do they sell replacements? | 16:26 |
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| MohammadAG | deram, probably not | 16:32 |
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| MohammadAG | but I really regret buying them | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | $70, only works on iDevices | 16:32 |
| deram | oh, iDevices use different headset configuration than Android devices.. | 16:35 |
| deram | don't really remember which side Nokia is compared to those | 16:35 |
| deram | the plug sleeve and lowermost ring (if tip is up) are swapped in iDevice | 16:36 |
| deram | some companies sell converters quite cheap | 16:36 |
| deram | seems the iPhone is the odd version and Others use the correct pinout | 16:38 |
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| decibyte | nokia use the oposite of apple | 16:45 |
| decibyte | i bought some new earbuds and had to use a big, clumsy converter to use them with my n900 :( | 16:46 |
| deram | ok.. it seams that apple is only one using that utterly wrong version | 16:46 |
| decibyte | yet, all manufacturers make the plugs for iDevices >:( | 16:46 |
| deram | the sleeve has always been common ground in all TRS type plugs (and TRRS) | 16:46 |
| deram | apple was first to use 3.5mm TRRS as headset connector. so naturally every manufacturer went that way, even if that was not standardized by anyone | 16:48 |
| deram | that one is not so bad as most of those adapters... http://www.meelec.com/MEE_TRRS_Adapter_for_P_Version_Headphones_p/adptr-trrs-35.htm | 16:49 |
| deram | but ofcourse the best is to cut the cord and solder new connector | 16:50 |
| * Arkenoi just purchased some random headphones and they always worked with nokia | 16:51 | |
| deram | headphones work, headset (with mic) won't correctly if wrong version | 16:52 |
| deram | the mic and common ground signals are backwards on some (aple) devices | 16:52 |
| Arkenoi | ah | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | any MTF experts around? | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | I want to sort an MList according to distance and another alphabetically | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | http://i39.tinypic.com/ka4chd.jpg | 17:03 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: good luck | 17:05 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, is that a no? :P | 17:06 |
| alterego | :) | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, technically I need Qt experts :P | 17:07 |
| alterego | MSortFilterProxyModel? | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh it worked | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | I just had to call sort() | 17:07 |
| alterego | :P | 17:07 |
| alterego | Yes | 17:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | that's problem #1 | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | second is fast scrolling | 17:07 |
| alterego | Good luck | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | the example uses a weird buckets concept | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | I don't get it | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you good at models? | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | right now, I'm using reset() every time I add an item | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure that's not the correct way, although it works | 17:11 |
| alterego | To do what? | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, a QAbstractListModel with items from a QList | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | the QList is dynamically populated | 17:11 |
| alterego | Right | 17:12 |
| alterego | What are you calling reset for? | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, to update the model | 17:13 |
| alterego | Ah, | 17:13 |
| alterego | Right | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | otherwise I'm just adding to the QList | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | while the UX list stays the same | 17:13 |
| alterego | Yeah, you need to use the signals really | 17:13 |
| alterego | Or insertRows directly. | 17:13 |
| alterego | Actually. | 17:14 |
| alterego | beingInsertRows() and endInsertRows() | 17:14 |
| alterego | will trigger a UI refresh. | 17:14 |
| alterego | So whenever you're adding an item to your QList, call those two functions around the code and that should keep your list view up-to-date (afair) | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | beginInsertRows() needs a QModelIndex | 17:15 |
| alterego | Yes | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | void FriendsModel::appendFriend(FriendObject *friendObj) | 17:15 |
| alterego | Just: beginInsertRows(QModelIndex(), mohamList->count(), mohamList->count()) | 17:16 |
| alterego | Will signal appending one item to the end. | 17:16 |
| alterego | The model index isn't important for what you're doing. | 17:16 |
| alterego | (I.E. Not a tree view) | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 17:17 |
| alterego | Anyway, I have to get on with somethings, anything else I can help you with? :P | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, thanks, that worked :) | 17:19 |
| alterego | Cool, | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | I'll keep on mucking around till I break something :p | 17:19 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of a new app idea | 17:19 |
| alterego | I was thinking of a facebook/spotify thingy | 17:19 |
| alterego | Would allow you to launch the spotify client and listen to what your friends are/were listening too. | 17:20 |
| alterego | Also thinking of a friend proximity alert, which alerts you when friends check-in somewhere near to where you are. | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, hook onto sociality, I'm not thinking of making it paid | 17:21 |
| alterego | Cool | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, the iPhone does that :) | 17:21 |
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| alterego | Well, I wouldn't know, I don't have an iPhone :P | 17:21 |
| petteri | damn, my N9 always loses network on thurdays and drains battery like craxy. Only fix is to reboot. | 17:21 |
| alterego | All I have is N8, N9, N950, Lumia 800 | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | also the iPhone foursquare client does it | 17:21 |
| alterego | (and N900) | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | you have a lumia? | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | the DDP? | 17:21 |
| alterego | No | 17:21 |
| alterego | Got it from another developer thing. | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 17:22 |
| * MohammadAG checks DDP page | 17:22 | |
| alterego | I ordered the DDP one | 17:22 |
| alterego | Thinking of giving it to my brother for xmas :P | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | you can sell that :p | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | or that | 17:22 |
| alterego | I definitely don't need two :D | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | actually you do | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | two make up 1GB of RAM | 17:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | that's why they only gave us one N950 | 17:23 |
| alterego | But I have two N9s for 2G RAM :P | 17:23 |
| alterego | + N950 :P | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | which colours? | 17:23 |
| alterego | Don't know yet, the other N9 hasn't arrived. | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:23 |
| alterego | The one I have now is 64G black model. | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | and the screen? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | is it shitty? | 17:24 |
| alterego | I love it. | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | even PenTile? | 17:24 |
| alterego | I thought I'd miss the N950 keyboard, but I don't at all. | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | I don't use the keyboard tbh | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | except in terminal | 17:24 |
| alterego | I wish there was more landscape support because the vkb in landscape is amazing. | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | I used an iPod/iPhone/Galaxy SII for a month | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | or more, so I'm used to VKBs | 17:25 |
| rm_work | hurk | 17:25 |
| alterego | BAsically I wish the twitter app and the facebook app would allow me to write updates/messages whatever in landscape ;) | 17:25 |
| rm_work | everyone always says you get used to vkbd | 17:25 |
| rm_work | but i'm still skeptical | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, QML, force them | 17:25 |
| alterego | rm_work: I was too, the N9 is amazing. | 17:25 |
| rm_work | hrm | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | rm_work, iOS/Harmattan did the vkb part right | 17:25 |
| rm_work | but... | 17:25 |
| alterego | The VKB tactile feedback makes it feel like you're pressing (and releasing) rubber keys, | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | in fact Harmattan did it better with haptic feedback, but you can install HapticPro on iOS | 17:26 |
| rm_work | MohammadAG: can you press a second key while the first is still pressed? | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | not sure, I could on iOS | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 17:26 |
| rm_work | that's the killer for me | 17:26 |
| alterego | Once you get over it you feel like you're a super-hero typing on the thing :D | 17:26 |
| decibyte | you can | 17:26 |
| rm_work | i type too fast | 17:26 |
| alterego | rm_work: you can yes. | 17:26 |
| alterego | holding shift, etc, works. | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:26 |
| rm_work | every virtual keyboard i've ever used doesn't register the second key if i haven't lifted my finger off the first | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | you can't press a second key | 17:26 |
| rm_work | which is a dealbreaker | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:27 |
| rm_work | because i type so fast on them that i end up not getting half of my letters | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | I type very fast | 17:27 |
| rm_work | because it just didn't count them | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | ah yeah | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | that's why iOS's vkb is better | 17:27 |
| rm_work | it lets you? | 17:27 |
| decibyte | yes you can. just not one of the nearby keys, | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | tapping on a second letter while holding the first one registers the first one and holds the second one | 17:28 |
| CissWit | rm_work: on n9, it works for me. Pressing 's' not releasing and pressing 'a' will actually type 'sa' | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | oh yeah | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | it worked | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | contacts-search is a bit slow compared to notes | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it works, sorry | 17:28 |
| alterego | bbl | 17:28 |
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| CissWit | what i dislike on the vkb of n9 is that it doest "repeat". Pressing 's' for a while will only print one s. | 17:29 |
| alterego | The N950 is still realy sexy, so I use it for mer/nemo stuff, but the N9 is just a level above and is a really nice day-to-day phone for me. | 17:29 |
| alterego | Texrat said it best, you just have to keep holding it, can't put it down for too long. | 17:30 |
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| alterego | Anyway, bbl :P | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | CissWit, for a reason | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | hold e, or a, or o | 17:30 |
| CissWit | MohammadAG: yes i know | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | accented letters, iOS did that first | 17:30 |
| CissWit | it still anoying | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | open source, patch the shit out of it :p | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | better yet, make a gconf key for it and send the patch upstream | 17:31 |
| CissWit | i've not looked yet how vkb was configured/implemented. It's anoying but not really a priority. (it's mainly annoying with arrows keys in terminal btw) | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | arrow keys? | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | the toolbars? | 17:33 |
| CissWit | yes | 17:33 |
| CissWit | i don't know if it's directly related to the vkb or to the terminal apps, but it behaves like the vkb. | 17:34 |
| decibyte | the terminal is the only app where i really miss a hardware keyboard. fingerterm kinda makes up for that, except it doesn't support the two finger press we just discussed. | 17:36 |
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| rm_work | is it better than the n950 keyboard? or the same? | 17:37 |
| rm_work | because 950 vkbd, i try typing a sentence and get less than half of the letters i hit | 17:38 |
| rm_work | and the backspace key is right above the SEND key T_T | 17:38 |
| rm_work | grah | 17:39 |
| decibyte | i don't know. never tried an n950. | 17:39 |
| rm_work | hrm :/ | 17:39 |
| rm_work | MohammadAG / alterego have -- guys, any thoughts on that? | 17:40 |
| rm_work | damn, i really need to flash my phone to the new software T_T | 17:40 |
| rm_work | stuck on Beta1 and afraid to flash and lose all my contacts if i don't do the backup right | 17:40 |
| rm_work | also sad about losing my convo history | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | beta2 here | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, convo history's a bummer | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | 5 devices though, can't lose em all | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:41 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:42 |
| rm_work | i need to find my n900 | 17:42 |
| rm_work | i like.... physically lost it in my house | 17:42 |
| rm_work | it's here somewhere | 17:42 |
| rm_work | is there another way to backup contacts? | 17:42 |
| rm_work | wiki mentions "complicated vcard method" | 17:43 |
| rm_work | but i couldn't find details anywhere | 17:43 |
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| rm_work | mostly it's annoying because i spent HOURS cleaning up my contacts and merging everything properly, etc | 17:43 |
| rm_work | though now that i think about it, i remember that i did that on the n900, so it must have carried over properly | 17:44 |
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| tomma | sync to google? | 17:58 |
| tomma | vcards work too but it is annoying to click everyone open to import them | 17:59 |
| tomma | dunno if there is any better way | 18:00 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 19:56 |
| Venemo | I'm looking for a few testers. | 19:56 |
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| Richlv | for what ? | 19:59 |
| Venemo | da best game ever! | 19:59 |
| Venemo | :P | 19:59 |
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| ieatlint | farmville? | 20:00 |
| niwakame | You've ported Skyrim or Battlefield3 to N9? xD | 20:00 |
| Venemo | it's a jigsaw puzzle game called PuzzleMaster | 20:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | is dj_something is banned for ever? | 20:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: i'm trying to make people to upload to apps.formeego.org almost by force | 20:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw i didn't succseed to upload my project =( | 20:02 |
| ieatlint | he's banned until someone with ops is willing to unban him.. | 20:02 |
| ieatlint | was supposed to be 24h, but it's not automatic | 20:03 |
| Venemo | you can wget this and dpkg -i on your N9(50): http://j.mp/ubxKp1 | 20:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: ^ ? | 20:03 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i think doc is the one guy you won't convince to unban him :P | 20:04 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 puts fingers in ears - 'nananananaaaanananaaaa' | 20:05 | |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: you told 24 so it's 24 | 20:06 |
| ieatlint | actually that wasn't doc | 20:06 |
| ieatlint | get your drama straight | 20:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: are you op here too? | 20:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | meh | 20:07 |
| Venemo | well, I don't understand why you guys are picking on him. | 20:08 |
| Venemo | but I won't pretend to care :) | 20:08 |
| * ieatlint is not | 20:09 | |
| ZogG_laptop | he promised me to teach me somethingme neither | 20:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn | 20:09 |
| ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: if you're around, you may want to consider removing the ban | 20:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | split to things above in 2 msgs | 20:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles is op? | 20:09 |
| ieatlint | i'm sure doc secretly supports the ban being removed | 20:09 |
| ieatlint | how else will he get the opportunity to do it himself.. | 20:10 |
| ieatlint | ZogG_laptop: he's the one who banned him, so i'm going to say yes | 20:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just don't get when op is never, like almost never around, but it doesn't stop him to ban somebody, or it's just me that log in in other hous than GeneralAntilles ? | 20:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | login* hours* | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | like how can you tell what's better for chan and make decision for everyone and just not be here. | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: unban him please | 20:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway back to harmattan | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, no | 20:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | can i use qtnetwork instead curl ? like i mean i sure can, but can it fully replace it in functuallity? | 20:12 |
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| MohammadAG | think so | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | for uploading/downloading yes | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | yes, it should do everything curl does | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | but you'll do it via a qiodevice | 20:13 |
| ieatlint | easier to make it async, and provide info on transfer speed | 20:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn it would be harder than i think | 20:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i want to post data and get replies | 20:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and part of data is files | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | that shouldn't be too hard at all | 20:15 |
| ieatlint | i've done that posting xml-rpc | 20:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i don't know c++ that much, like i almost do not know it and Qt is something totally new to me | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, need examples? | 20:16 |
| ieatlint | know c? | 20:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: sure i would liek to, i learn from exaples better than from tuts | 20:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: a little bit | 20:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: that's the way i study actually =) | 20:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | trying to do something and trying to gain exp | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, https://gitorious.org/qtbook/qtbook/blobs/master/albumwindow.cpp#line205 | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | replace filename with what you have and change the URL, that should be it | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | replies can be read with QNetworkReply::readAll() | 20:18 |
| ieatlint | not sure that's actually the most clear example | 20:22 |
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| ieatlint | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.7/qnetworkaccessmanager.html has some usage info | 20:22 |
| ieatlint | but the idea is you create a QNetworkAccessManager once, and then you load in your url into a QNetworkRequest, where you then set all the post data and headers. you then post the QNeworkRequest via QNetworkAccessManager::post(), which returns a QNetworkReply | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | the QNetworkReply will create a finished() signal when done | 20:24 |
| ieatlint | and you can then call QNetworkReply:readAll() to get the data (and a bunch of other ways to get it too) | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | reply data* | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | yes | 20:25 |
| ieatlint | QNetworkAccessManager and QNetworkRequest can be reused as much as you want, and QNetworkReply is something you never make yourself, and should delete in the QNetworkReply::finished() signal via QNetworkReply::deleteLater() | 20:26 |
| ieatlint | (note that QNetworkAccessManager also has a finished() signal that may be more desirable since it will include the QNetworkReply that finished) | 20:28 |
| ieatlint | yeah, nice and simple, right? :P | 20:28 |
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| MohammadAG | ieatlint, QNetworkRequest should not be used a poster | 20:30 |
| ieatlint | ? | 20:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: thanks would look into it | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | pointer* | 20:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i use curl, but the problem is i want to make progress and other stuff and use native qt as my app for n9 so it would be easier to add stuff with qt and change | 20:32 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: never said to use it as a pointer, but seeing as it's used a const in QNetworkAccessManager, i don't see why that would be a problem so long as you dereference it in the call | 20:32 |
| ieatlint | i did incorrectly state you should put your post data into it though... post data is part of the post() call and not a part of the QNetworkRequest | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG_laptop: I told WUT? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ieatlint: I'm maybe BOFH but I'm no pervert to create iches so I have sth to scratch | 20:43 |
| ieatlint | i know, that's why i said you wouldn't unban him | 20:44 |
| ieatlint | but you probably have a secret desire to see it happen :P | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually not | 20:45 |
| ieatlint | alright, fine, hehe | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I feel a deep relief for knowing I actually see the *whole* convo since 20h | 20:46 |
| ieatlint | 20h? | 20:47 |
| ieatlint | it's not 8pm where you are | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's bad enough I was forced to /ignore on a +o chan | 20:47 |
| gri | <ZogG_laptop> is dj_something is banned for ever? -- he is already unbanned | 20:47 |
| gri | atleast I've seen GeneralAntilles removing the ban today | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I didn't feel good with it nor was the convo usually making sense | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gri: shhhhhhhhhh! maybe he never notices! | 20:48 |
| ieatlint | i'm generally not used to conversations making sense | 20:48 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer51: He knows that but has no interest to come back yet | 20:49 |
| ieatlint | and the ban was already lifted... djszapi came in and left just before you started talking | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pheeeew, fine with me | 20:49 |
| gri | He's not as bad as some of you think but. Everyone has his own flaws .. | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, maybe some of yo miss a few blocks for the whole picture | 20:51 |
| ieatlint | yeah, he's a polarizing figure, but he hasn't caused me so much trouble | 20:51 |
| jonni | I'm wondering how slow store QA is, I have 2 apps in the queue, but havent received any notices yet.... :) | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ieatlint: so you're one of the lucky dozen | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | others were less lucky | 20:52 |
| gri | jonni: I'm waiting for 15 days now | 20:52 |
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| jonni | testing monkeys are overworked :) | 20:53 |
| gri | they did not know how to test my program o_O | 20:53 |
| ieatlint | that's bad | 20:54 |
| gri | I had to explain and still can see they used the wrong login data even though I sent them the right one | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ieatlint: whom-it-may-concern? dj already 3 times deserved a kickban and only nobody notices as all the people involved (except him) managed things behind the scenes and always were WAY too forgiving and reluctant to ban him | 20:55 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer51: i deal with assholes constantly | 20:56 |
| ieatlint | he doesn't rank that high | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in the common aim to keep this chan friendly | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ieatlint: you ain't seen nuttin | 20:56 |
| ieatlint | i don't have the urge to start punching him and keep going until he stops moving | 20:57 |
| ieatlint | so that puts him ahead of a lot of geeks i "know" | 20:57 |
| gri | jonni: my testing monkey comes from mexico while the woman which writes the emails is from canada :) | 20:57 |
| gri | who not which | 20:57 |
| javispedro | did you know that the wikipedia n9 page lists pr1.2 as "Promised" and including "universal copy/paste" and USB OTG? =) | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I rufuse to discuss this topic any further, I'm happy when I know both him and his name as topic far away | 20:58 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: well, if wikipedia says it, it must be true | 20:58 |
| * javispedro has some experience with that | 20:58 | |
| ieatlint | i personally don't believe the OTG bit | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BWAHAHAHA OTG | 20:59 |
| ieatlint | but universal copy/paste maybe, and i know for sure there will be a pr1.2 | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | PR1.2 will swap your USB port out | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | NOLO has support for that | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I know for sure there already *is* a PR1.2 beta | 21:00 |
| jonni | please do not discuss what is or isn't in possible pr releases, as that goes under NDA. | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: ++ | 21:00 |
| jonni | ;) | 21:01 |
| ieatlint | there's a 1.3 beta even :P | 21:01 |
| ieatlint | well, maybe not beta, but builds | 21:01 |
| javispedro | and a PR1.4 for the N900! | 21:01 |
| javispedro | it includes Qt4.8 | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | there should be a PR1.3.2 for the N900 | 21:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 is fetching the motor banhammer | 21:01 | |
| * javispedro gives DocScrutinizer51 PR1.2 as christmas present | 21:02 | |
| RST38h | Doc <-- the mighty Thor | 21:02 |
| javispedro | ~pr1.2 | 21:02 |
| infobot | pr1.2 is probably available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 21:02 |
| javispedro | omg Tuesday morning | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, I'm working on Thor all day | 21:02 |
| RST38h | still haven't updated, have you? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | literally | 21:02 |
| RST38h | it is Thursday already | 21:02 |
| javispedro | I've updated to PR0, efectively and infinitely raising my expectations | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: google for thor(ium)<E&ericsson | 21:07 |
| javispedro | loving that this time I did not participate in the thread where the general population found out the true color depth of the device | 21:08 |
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| dm8tbr | javispedro: hm? | 21:13 |
| javispedro | the "it appears on wikipedia so it must be true" comment above reminded me of certain discussion with a guy that really wanted to believe the n900 was 24bpp -- because "it was on wikipedia". | 21:14 |
| javispedro | I see that some people have slightly discussed it on tmo again for the n9, as wikipedia again lists the n9 as "24bpp". | 21:15 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 21:16 |
| yipdw | oh, dangit | 21:18 |
| yipdw | I missed that that was the N900 PR 1.2 release | 21:18 |
| yipdw | and was like "whoa, Harmattan PR 1.2 already" | 21:18 |
| ieatlint | what's the depth of the n950? | 21:19 |
| ieatlint | it's supposed to be higher than the n9 i've been told | 21:19 |
| javispedro | 16bpp as usual, dunno about the panel. | 21:20 |
| * javispedro brb | 21:21 | |
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| ieatlint | yeah, looking at wikipedia, i'd say that entire list of alleged features coming in 1.2 is bullshit | 21:26 |
| ieatlint | "folders on the home screeen" ... really doubt that somehow | 21:27 |
| ieatlint | and while i do believe they'll add copy/paste to things like email and web pages, "universal" is a strong word, and i wouldn't expect it to work on everything | 21:27 |
| ieatlint | really more of an application-specific feature to add than a system-wide one | 21:28 |
| gri | okay, now I really don't understand how the Ovi QA is testing. I installed my application on "Nokia Remote Device Access", where the devices still run PR 1.0 of the N9 - and everything works fine as it does here! Seems they are really just unable to enter the login data o_O | 21:29 |
| tomma | maybe the person testing it doesn't know how to write? | 21:33 |
| tomma | or read... | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | What did they refuse it on? | 21:34 |
| gri | I don't have a reply from them but I can see in my server log that they failed to login several times yesterday | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | "no account for $foobar-social-service. Rejected for not allowing login" | 21:34 |
| gri | and also that not a single login was successful :) | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | what's the app? | 21:35 |
| gri | MohammadAG: cruel messaging application: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/web2sms | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | how does that work? :P | 21:36 |
| gri | website scraping | 21:36 |
| gri | or "controlling an invisible browser" | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | I want one of those | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | webapp^-1 | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | for the Israeli bus station | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: go for fremantle Fahrplan | 21:38 |
| gri | DocScrutinizer: you mean as mathematical expression? | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | as concept? | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | never mind | 21:39 |
| ieatlint | webapp^W ? | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | sin(webapp)^W | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | webapp/0 should get through QA | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | would be funny if sth like that gets rejected due to "Name divides by 0" | 21:40 |
| ieatlint | i divide my name by 0 all the time | 21:40 |
| gri | wow, nokia rda servers are hosted by "Nokia Mobile Phones Wireless Future Laboratory" - that sounds cool :D | 21:41 |
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| lizardo | DocScrutinizer, which .config are you using to build http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/unpatched_openmode_kernel/zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 ? I tried "rm581_defconfig" but the device did not complete boot | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lizardo: I didn't build that stuff | 22:50 |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer, sorry , I inferred from http://forum.meego.chttp://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=36648&postcount=185 that you were building these kernels :( | 22:51 |
| lizardo | fixing : http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=36648&postcount=185 | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm only hosting it | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and pushed and prodded a lil bit to get this done | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the real source is absolutely trustworthy bit prefers to stay anonymous | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | but* | 22:55 |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer, oh I see. I was lost in the chain or authorship :) | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway rm581_defconfig sounds odd, as that's neither N9 nor N950 | 22:56 |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer, yes, but it comes from the debian/rules on the kernel source package | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I have no idea what's rm581 | 22:57 |
| niwakame | bluetooth? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm680 or rm696 should be the one iirc | 22:57 |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer, sure, as long as they existed on arch/arm/config :) I think the name was kept for some historical reason, but I really don't know | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask generally in here, there shall be others who actually know which defconfig to use for a proper kernel | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hah, wb | 23:09 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: actually, konttori mentioned folders on the home screen, so that one has some credibility ;P | 23:10 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: ! | 23:14 |
| * RST38h wants folders like now, dood! | 23:15 | |
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| ieatlint | interesting... i'll be curious to see how that's implemented without just making some sort of "folder" application that launches | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lizardo: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot been used to build the unpatched kernel. So whatever config debianisation uses by default was also used for the openmode kernel. | 23:51 |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer, ok, in this case my kernel didn't boot for some other reason. Investigating :) | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTH | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 23:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer off for dinner | 23:53 | |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just parroting info, for you and * | 23:53 |
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