IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-12-16

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RST221zhi, is it possible to install a web server on the N9, I have installed lighttpd package from maemo but I get an error "can't bind to port 80 permission denied"00:55
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griyou know that ports < 1024 are only bindable by root?01:02
ieatlintaegis might not stop the root account from doing it01:03
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jpwhitinghey all, does meego/harmattan have a way for an application to get a guid ?01:03
jpwhitingor sign itself or something like that?01:03
RST221zI was doing it as root01:06
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DocScrutinizerjpwhiting: no01:56
DocScrutinizerwtf is RST221? RST38h, your alter ego? Anyway: >>You must be root (CAP_NET_ADMIN capability)  to [do things like set TOS, use ports <1024, etc]...<<  I guess root doesn't have these capabilities/tokens/permissions even when using develsh02:04
DocScrutinizerharmattan root is all but a normal root02:04
befordmight be easier to change the port02:09
DocScrutinizersure, first test on yourhost:808002:11
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Aranelwhat is the file-name of that cute Harmattan arrow, which is used in list menus?02:33
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Aranelthanks to ls | grep arrow, it's named icon-m-common-drilldown-arrow.png02:36
AranelI'd prefer cute-menu-arrow.png , would be easier to find.02:36
DocScrutinizerls *arrow*02:37
ieatlinti wonder if someone's made a icon browser app for finding them..02:38
ieatlintwould be a useful and simple thing02:38
Aranelieatlint: I was going to ask for same thing ^^ would be very useful.02:39
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "tracker" and burst into sardonic cackling02:39
ieatlinti know i copied the icon folder onto my laptop and just browse the images with an image browser02:40
ieatlinta website would be even nicer for it, but copyright bs, etc02:40
DocScrutinizeractually it's probably more mystical black magic why tracker based gallery does *NOT* show these02:42
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AranelI've asked it 3 different times with different wording, and never got a real answer but, I'll try odds again: where is the "I'm busy I'll call you later" message stored? Can I access&change it or would aegis eat me alive?02:48
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GeneralAntilleslizardo, that sucks. If you're really attached to the idea I could probably be convinced to give up mine. :P03:39
GeneralAntillesieatlint/ZogG_laptop, I removed the laptop this morning.03:39
GeneralAntillesZogG_laptop, so kindly get the facts straight before you start in on me. :)03:40
ieatlintthat's not as much fun/drama03:41
GeneralAntillesieatlint, and I agree with you he doesn't rank very high on the irritation scale03:42
GeneralAntillesBut it's as if no discussion of security or aegis can go without his $0.02 for months.03:42
GeneralAntillesI issued a couple warnings, he ignored them one two many times.03:42
ieatlinthe's probably just trolling everyone03:42
GeneralAntillesI've had that theory put to me more than once.03:43
ieatlinthe's doing a fantastic job if so03:44
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DocScrutinizerbtw bury all hopes if you ever thought maybe a bored (Ex-)Nokian might leak the master key for Nokia's OMAP root cert. I've learnt during last 2 weeks how the signing process is set up in industry R&D and I guess that's universal - and stating "Flop keeps it under his pillow" is closer to reality than any scenario where a random employee might get access to that signing key09:03
niwakamere / good morning everyone09:05
DocScrutinizerso we have two chances to get *full* access to the signature: communists doing their awesome RE with raster electron microscopy and slowly taking off atom layer after atom layer from the chip and determining the bits in there, and community driven brute force cracking though I don't see how that might work if there's no special hw available to check the 2^56 possible keys against the secret key in TPM09:08
DocScrutinizerand moo indeed09:08
* dm8tbr would go for lower hanging fruit09:09
dm8tbris there a reason to use the HS mode?09:09
DocScrutinizerexcept of course for BB509:09
DocScrutinizerbut then we don't exactly want access to BB5 as we don't have a clue what to mess up there ;-D09:10
* DocScrutinizer starts to dive into that domain again, for doing his daywork09:11
DocScrutinizernot BB5 though :-D09:11
mprhow should I access gconf values from the sdk?09:12
DocScrutinizererr, "from SDK"?09:12
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DocScrutinizerplease elaborate09:12
mprbeta2/3 qt sdk09:12
mprseems that there's gconf, gsettings, gconfitem, etc., but none of the examples seem to work09:13
mprinclude files are missing etc09:13
DocScrutinizerI dunno what you are planning to do09:14
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mprget/set a value from the gconf store09:14
mprthe things that you can access from command line with gconftool09:15
DocScrutinizerI know what's gconf09:15
qronicdoes somebody know if it's possible to adjust the duration (and number of repeats) of playing an alarm sound?09:15
DocScrutinizerso a possible answer is >>gconftool --help09:16
mprso how can I do the equivalent of " gconftool --type string --set" from a qt app?09:16
mprwithout execing gconftool :)09:16
jonnisystem("gconf....") :)09:16
jonniheh, but there is easier way too09:16
jonnilet me do some digging09:16
DocScrutinizerqronic: very good question09:17
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what token is needed to access gconf - and if that token is available at all on OVI09:19
jonnimpr: /usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/gconf.h09:19
qronicI've straced /usr/bin/reminderservice, it checks /home/user/.config/Nokia/ReminderService.conf on start, but there're only 3 parameters for logging and debugging, don't know where to look else09:19
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DocScrutinizerqronic: again gconf maybe09:20
mprjonni: yeah, but if you include that, it complains that it can't find the headers that *that* includes09:20
* DocScrutinizer waves09:20
jonnilink against /usr/lib/, and -I/usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/09:20
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jonni-I/usr/include/gconf/2    even09:21
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: do you by chance know what exactly /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify is actually checking by chance?09:22
ieatlinthmmm, probably shouldn't have repeated that in the same sentence09:22
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DocScrutinizerieatlint: afaik it checks a cert that lives in cellmo and thus isn't accessible at all by "userland" to somehow mess with it09:28
ieatlinti see it referenced in /etc/init scripts a few times..09:30
DocScrutinizerbasicaly the root or stem of all aegis09:30
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ieatlinthuh, ok09:31
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mprafter adding include directories for /usr/include/gconf/2 /usr/include/glib-2.0 /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include it still complains that it can't find glibconfig.h09:47
mprthis is kind of horrible considering that lists GConf as a way to store application settings :)09:50
jonnimpr: just add another -I as its in /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h09:58
mprwell I already have /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include09:58
mprfor some reason it's not finding it09:58
jonniwhich header is including that file?10:00
mprthe sdk says /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/galloca.h, but seems that it's actually the gtypes.h that that's including10:01
jonnisounds wierd, it really should work with 2 -I's10:02
jonniah if you have 3 -I's that might cause the problem10:04
mprwell I tried without the last one first but it complained about the missing glibconfig.h10:05
jonnihave you tried to remove /usr/include/glib-2.010:05
mprwhich indeed seems to be found only under /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include10:05
mprwhat would the removal help?10:05
mprah, you meant from the -I's :)10:06
mprthen it just complains about missing glib-object.h10:07
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jonniand that one is included by what?10:08
mpror glib.h, depending on whether you're including <gconf/gconf-client.h> or <gconf/gconf.h>10:08
mprthey're included directly by that gconf include that I'd need10:09
jonniah, then its needed, maybe just change the order of -I's10:09
jonniafter that one Im running out of ideas whichout seeing the makefile.10:10
jonniwithout even10:10
mprdoesn't seem to make any difference10:11
tommampr, are you using madde?10:11
mpra clean beta2 sdk installation that includes madde10:12
tommai had similiar problem with one project... compiler gave error saying it cant find header even the path was given in -I10:12
mprthe makefile is just a generated qmake .pro with INCLUDEPATH += /usr/include/glib-2.0 /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include /usr/include/gconf/2 added to the end10:13
mpr(and LIBS += -L/usr/lib/
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tommampr, try without shadowbuilding if that help10:19
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mprha, I guess I found the problem10:20
mprdoing those INCLUDEPATHs that way included the headers from my system, not from the madde sysroot :)10:21
tommait shouldn't include anything from your system10:22
tommayou are using it wrong =)10:22
jonnior calling systems qmake :)10:22
mprwell I'm just using the ide10:23
tomma"$ ~/QtSDK/Madde/targets/harmattan_10.2011.34-1/bin/qmake -spec linux-g++-maemo" "$ ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad -t harmattan_10.2011.34-1 make -j16"10:23
mprso it's using itself wrong, or something :)10:23
tommaQt3D doesn't seem to build out of source tree10:23
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mprit does say QMAKE = QtSDK/Madde/targets/harmattan-nokia-meego-api/bin/qmake in the generated makefile10:26
mprso it's just that the paths in INCLUDEPATH are interpreted just as they're given, not relative to the target sysroot10:27
jonniI've been using too much scratchbox to notice that :)10:31
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mprPKGCONFIG += gconf-2.010:53
mprand everything works without any other include or lib paths10:53
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rantomHi. Is the PR 1.1 still the newest PR for N950? I haven't checked for new fw for a while12:28
rantoms/PR 1.1/PR 1.1 or beta312:28
kimjulatest public firmware, yes.12:28
rantomAlright, thanks12:29
* RST38h moos12:55
ZogGjonni, wanted to ask you about led and front camera. why do bugs got close, or should i say why we have them on n9?12:59
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ZogGand as well as you said to wait for pr1.2 to fix bug 123, i just afraid it woudl happen like with bug on maemo when it was marked fix(the one when call triggers music player to start playing) and it actually wasn't so it was said to wait from pr to pr and wasn't fixed till cssu13:01
_MeeGoBot_Bug maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots13:01
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jonnifront led is reserved for nokia apps only for usability reasons. And what was the issue for front camera?13:03
jonnias my memory sucks13:03
ZogGled is forbidden for devs coz of aegis =)13:04
jonniZogG: its not because of aegis, its because of ovi policy that usability people desided.13:04
ZogGand not used for notification, and if you say on screen icons are good enuf i would argue as i can't see them if phone not in front of me13:04
jonniaegis just enforces the policy, it does not define it.13:05
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ZogGjonni wait, i'll quote13:05
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jonniisnt there simple mirror in ovi store already, or is there some issues on front camera that I dont know about.13:06
ArkenoiIs there a way to perform mass vcard import from a file/directory?13:07
ZogGjonni no support on any off ap, no skype support of phone is planned13:08
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ZogGi would understand that on n950 as it's dev phone so it up to devs. but if i buy end user phone with camera i want to use it somehow otherwise would would it be there. and mirror and apps from 3rd party is not system integration13:10
ZogGand about led - "Cause mce::LEDControl in the aegis manifest is denied at installation for some reason, feel free to file a bug(?) about that"13:10
jonniapps feature desisions or nice to have features, not bugs as such. I havent been following if in future it will improve.13:11
jonniand it was decided that  mce::LEDControl is only allowed for Nokia apps, so its not a bug, just a known limitation of the platform.13:12
ZogGjonni bug for video support in skype was closed (no future plans) , though someone opened it yesterday again, but i think not one of nokians13:13
ZogGjonni BUT NO nokia app uses led13:14
jonniZogG: charging notification does use the led.13:14
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ZogGjonni so no led support and no nokia apps for it, but you limit so others can't use it13:14
ZogGjonni, it doesn't work for me, never so led used13:14
jonniworks in n9 pr1.113:15
ZogGi even can't check if it's working13:15
ZogGjonni, and just for chatrging is like buying phone for opening beers. if i buy something with led i expect it to be used somewhere and not just small useless charging notification13:16
jonnibut yes, some might argue that decision to be a bit unfair, but life is sometimes.13:16
ZogGjonni, yeah i understand that, but it's not the point of life to be unfair, it's the point that i'm customer that paid money for it13:17
ZogGand i can't use it13:17
jonniand in open mode you can blink it without limitations.13:17
jonni(when booted with custom kernel, and never booting back to secure mode)13:18
ZogGyou mean kernel without aegis? you mean i need to go against warranty to actually use some basic parts of phone i paid for/13:18
jonniopen mode kernel can have aegis too, that aegis just also allows mce::LEDControl for unknown origin too13:19
ZogGi understand you can't tell everything as well not always say your own opinion, what i ask to push it to inside bug tracker, so if nokia can't provide use of parts people paid for at least than to open it to developers13:19
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ZogGjonni, what about warranty if i flash with custom kernel and i have problems, Nokia would say it's my problem - right?13:20
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ZogGso why would i use something you don't support just to make use of part of phone that you actually put in it?13:21
jonnimost likely warranty void open mode is meant for developers. Afaik in real life warranty replacements have been working just fine even if you have flashes custom kernels as most of the shops dont checkit, ofcourse you might be unlucky.13:21
ZogGjonni, "as most of the shops dont checkit, ofcourse you might be unlucky." - is not a solution13:22
jonni~99.9999% dont check it.13:22
ZogGit's ot about if they check or not13:22
ZogGit's about tht it's not end user solution13:22
ZogGi'm not dev, i don't know to flash i paid for led, i want use of it13:23
ZogGthat's simple like that13:23
jonnithere are lots of features of of the phone that 3rd party developer dont have access to, led is just one part13:23
ZogGand i don't want to make my own kernel just to use led as n9 enduser13:23
ZogGjonni, i don't care if they don't have support until there is support from Nokia13:24
ZogGhere we don't have13:24
ZogGi can send you photo of my n9 connected to charger with no led working13:24
ZogGi even CAN'T KNOW if it's working or it's just a piece of it not connected to phone just there13:25
jonniyou paid for bb5 and and you dont have access to use those API's either. funny part is that led is only showing when your phone is off, its not used while its on :)13:25
ZogGso why the F it's there at all?13:25
ZogGand what is bb5?13:25
jonnias I said some might argue against the led desision, but most likely its FCC and/or legal requirement that product can be sold in some countries.13:26
ZogGbuty why than no support from nokia? same reasons?13:26
jonnibb5, crypto, simlock etc features13:26
jonniZogG: no idea, maybe it didnt fit into UX consept, FCC  or nobody saw any benefits in using that.13:28
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jonnimight be usefull feature for someone, yes, and maybe there should be some settings option to allow led notifications, but in the otherhand it might be that someone has studied it to confuse end users more than it benefits. Just random speculation without any facts. No official company statements in here.13:30
ZogGnoone is devs but not users. that's why can you reconsider it? as i would liek to see led across the room when charging phone and to know if i got sms or email13:30
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ZogGlike it was with n900, as i wouldn't like to stand up and go to check the screen13:31
ZogGif it's already there i would liek to see use of it and it's logical13:31
ZogGit can be used as option adn i would be pretty sure that most users would agree with me13:31
ZogGbtw as far as i know even n8 has it13:34
jonnieven I would love to see incoming sms'es and emails blinking the led. So Im not disagreeing the benefits, it would be nice as a feature. But even then I think it should be done inhouse and not by 3rd party. (if we would live in perfect world with unlimited resources).13:36
alteregoIt's not necessary on the N9 though, because of the active standby screen ..13:36
alteregoIt's only applicable to the N950 where there is no indication.13:37
jonnisome people argue that they can disable active standby screen and want to see the led.13:37
alteregoWell, submit a feature request? :)13:37
* jreznik was arguing about it yesterday with ltinkl :) no more today :)13:37
jreznikbut he described one nice neverending loop while sending sms when you are out of credit and your operator sends a note about low credit - very nice bug :)13:38
ZogGalterego why it's not on n9? and if the phone is not in front of you or room is dark, than idle screen is useless you need or to reach phone or to ulck it, while with led you can see it in dark and across the room13:40
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alteregoMaybe with your eyes :P13:42
alteregoTo be honest, it just doesn't bother me, I actually found it annoying on the N900 ..13:42
ZogGjonni noone wants it in the next release, like people do want but noone asks for it now, people want it to be considered and to be worked on it even if it's done with less prior and not fast13:43
ZogGalterego i liked it, but as an option it's alwasy good13:43
jonniand if you missuse some api's you can already blink the led if I remember right. :*)13:45
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ZogGi just knwo remember it actually works for me, when i turn on or off phone that's it =)13:46
ZogGand about resources. it's funny as how meego development stopped, suddenly harmattan development is slow. =)13:47
fluxin principle I think they could paint 'a led' into the corner of the lock screen. I doubt it consumes a lot of power anyway.13:49
fluxyou know, the N9 lock screen isn't blank, there'a a picture there13:49
ZogGor than again we have icons there13:50
fluxyes, there is an icon there, in addition there could be a colorful area in some corner.13:50
ZogGbut we can't see them in dark room or if phone not in front of you13:50
fluxit might be easier to see colors than the shapes of images.13:50
ZogGwe have led we just need to use it, pretty smple13:50
fluxI guess if you want to update it rapidly (1 fps), it would use a lot more power, though13:51
Appiahis the NFC supposed to work with "any device"13:53
Appiahas in sending stuff to another device with NFC thats not another N913:53
Appiahany tips on debugging that?13:54
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jonniZogG: actually you can enable the led notifications yourself, it just needs devel-su, since it can be configured by changing a file which is not protected by aegis.14:02
jonnijust tested it my self14:03
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ZogGjonni, is it used for notification of i just can turn it on/off14:03
petteriany idea why some n9 models have working led and others don't?14:04
ZogGjonni Appiah as i understand the frequency matter, am i wrong?14:04
ZogGpetteri what do you mean?14:04
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ZogGjonni and can you tell me what file btw so i can check?14:05
jonnipetteri: they all have working led, default config just if that led newer shows if devices display is not off14:05
jonnijust wondering should I make application for ovi store for configing all those notifications :)14:06
petterijonni: where do I find the setting. In our household we have two n9, one shows the led when charching the other does not14:07
petteriso can just copy the setting from my cya N9 to girlfrieds black 64GB one14:08
jonniuse diff to see if files differ first, but basicly yes14:11
jonniand afterwards as devel-su:  initctl restart mce, to activate the changes14:14
petteriok, thanks. I will take a look at the diff. Reading the finnish forums. It seem that there a quite a lot of people the led disabled. Seems quite strange14:16
petteriwith the led disabled14:16
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SpeedEvilDisabled or broken?14:17
jonnichanging the pattern value from 4 to 5, will show the pattern even if led is disabled.14:18
petterithey all say that the led is working when booting the device14:18
petteriso disabled i would guess14:19
jonniits just the default mce.ini policy that it only shows the led when display is off.14:19
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alteregoOoo, my second N9 has shipped :)14:35
alteregoWish I could tell what colour it is from the IMEI14:35
jonniblack :)14:36
ZogGnot white for sure14:38
ZogGjonni btw by display off does it mean idles screen too?14:39
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jonnidepends whats idle screen, black screen with clock and notification icons14:40
ZogGdoes it include it as display off?14:42
jonniie mode 4 is enough for that, mode 5 only needed when wanting to blink led even when using apps14:43
ZogGRX51 is n9 right?14:44
jonniwrong, rx51 == n90014:44
ZogGdamn i was hopping for more than one color =)14:45
ZogGso n9 is ?14:45
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jonni696 :)14:47
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ZogGPatternCommunication=30;1;0;4000027f027f02ff02ff027f027f02ff02ff41ff0000 > PatternCommunication=30;0;0;4000027f027f02ff02ff027f027f02ff02ff41ff0000 ?14:48
jonniand 680 == N95014:48
* RST38h yawns, moos, says hello14:49
ZogGwhy 4?14:49
ArkenoiRST38h, do you have any idea how to dump/restore contact database?14:49
ZogG4 only show pattern if the display is off, or if in acting dead14:49
jonnimight be that it acts dead when showing that clock14:50
ZogGlike animals pretendind falling dead =)14:50
jonnibut 0 might work too, just test it14:50
jonniI only tested with 4 and that atleast works14:51
RST38hArkenoi: I do14:51
RST38hArkenoi: It is in something like berkley db format14:51
RST38hArkenoi: and conversation logs are in sqlite14:52
ZogGjonni, what is RX44 ?14:52
RST38hArkenoi: so, for contacts, you can take the file and parse it14:52
RST38hArkenoi: For Maemo6, both conversations and contacts may well be in sqlite though14:52
ZogGoh n810?14:53
jonniyep n81014:53
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ZogGjonni tried and didn't work =\15:04
ArkenoiRST38h, no more straightforward way, via native apis?15:05
jkk_the led issue has been posted as a bug here
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ZogGjonni as i cahnged to 4 and restarted mce and even phone do i need anythig else?15:08
jkk_having the screen in either "full off when idle" or "off when idle" (=clock & possible notifications) does not matter15:08
jkk_but that just as a side note, you can carry on now ;)15:10
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ZogGjonni set it to 5 and restarted it15:13
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ZogGjonni, ?15:16
AppiahZogG nfc frequency?15:19
Appiahthe other device reacts but nothing gets transfered15:19
ZogGAppiah i dunno15:19
ZogGi know that there are frueqnecies15:19
Appiahw00t firmware upgrade15:21
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ZogGAppiah ?15:33
ZogGGeneralAntilles ping15:34
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ZogGGeneralAntilles the 24 ban should be over 24 hours ago for dj...15:35
Appiahjust arrived to my N915:35
GeneralAntillesZogG, I removed the ban when I said the ban would be removed.15:35
GeneralAntillesZogG, kindly check the banlist before pestering me about it. :)15:36
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ZogGGeneralAntilles, ok15:36
ZogG #harmattan Banlist: Sun Nov 13 15:45:06 lcuk!*@* wtf?????????15:36
GeneralAntillesA deceased man's client isn't something that's pleasant to have hanging around.15:37
* GeneralAntilles goes to work.15:37
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Arkenoi there is a bug already :-/ anyone else here noticed that?15:41
_MeeGoBot_Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge15:41
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griAppiah: 40-4 is nothing new15:50
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pawkyjippe... I finally got my N9 replaced.... and now to the big question should one upgrade to v1.1 or hold back?15:51
ZogGpawky, mazal tov15:55
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ZogGwhat motherbord issues you got now15:55
pawkyZogG, which means?15:56
ZogGpawky you told you always get phones with problems15:56
ZogGor was it ieatlint15:56
pawkyZogG: Well I haven't come that far yet... but this has the first firmware and it wants to upgrade. since 1.1 has a few bugs, I wonder what's best...15:57
pawkyZogG: Well.. mine had a severe hardware problem... I am hoping this one doesn't...15:58
ZogGpr1.2 woulld have bugs too15:59
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pawkyyes, but that one doesn't exist yet... so for all of those who have upgraded with a working phon, was it worth it?16:01
CissWitmine doesn't display the upgrade for 1.1 on the "Manage application" interface. I don't know why.16:01
CissWithelps to choose :)16:01
Venemo_N950~seen djszapi16:01
infobotdjszapi <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 22h 10m 9s ago, saying: 'alterego: more effort to put a link in there, if they would like to publish the image ? :) Sounds funny.'.16:01
pawkyVenemo_N950: he is on his way to Hungary...16:02
pawkyVenemo_N950: Well... he got kicked out from here..16:02
Venemo_N950yeah, I'll meet him in person tomorrow16:02
pawkyVenemo_N950: Say hello from me, and tell him I got the replacement phone will you? :-)16:03
Venemo_N950do you guys know whether any of Harmattan's "documents" app open source?16:03
Venemo_N950pawky, sure :)16:03
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macmaNwhat happened with djszapi? the age old kick threat was executed?16:09
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pawkymacmaN: yup16:12
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ZogG_laptopjonni: if you around i would like to hear more about mce config as i tried and it didn't work for me16:20
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jonnifor example PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;4000417f41ff41bf0000 -> PatternBatteryCharging=50;5;0;4000417f41ff41bf0000, initctl restart mce, and plug in your charger cable16:21
ZogG_laptoptried that16:22
ZogG_laptopdo i need to change in all sections or only in my phone? or add or move something there as well?16:22
jonniI only changes 69616:23
ZogG_laptoptried with 5 as well16:24
jonniand you have N9 or N950?16:24
ZogG_laptopn9 64gib16:24
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jonnipretty wierd, and your sure thtat you changed in right section since 680 has the same exact lines16:25
jonniand running secure mode vs open mode?16:27
Appiahgri then why did I get it now and not earlier? =(16:27
ZogG_laptopjonni: official pr1.1 with devmode enabled16:28
griAppiah: depends on your country, how often you have internet connectivity etc.16:28
ZogG_laptopjonni: do you have 16 or 64 version?16:29
jonniAppiah: variant pr1.1 deployment started today, so all the random variants are getting pr1.1 very soon.16:29
jonniZogG: 6416:29
ZogG_laptopjonni: hmm than what it can be?16:29
jonnitypo in config would be my guess16:30
jonnior broken led :)16:30
ZogG_laptopcan you send me yours so i can diff?16:30
ZogG_laptopled is working when i turn on/off phone16:30
jonnior do apt-get --reinstall install mce, to get default config reinstalled16:31
jonnias I have some other optimization edits in mce.ini file, there is no easy way to diff :)16:31
ZogG_laptopha i didn't get default one16:32
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ZogG_laptopreinstalled it16:34
ZogG_laptopshould i comment example pattern?16:35
RST38hArkenoi: Can't you guess the answer?16:35
ZogG_laptopjonni: can you paste the led part i'll copy paste it?16:36
ZogG_laptopfound the difference i think16:40
ZogG_laptopjonni: i has those in 68016:40
ZogG_laptopand in 696 i have ;4000027f027f02ff02ff027f027f02ff02ff41ff000016:41
ZogG_laptopnever chabged mce16:41
jonniooops, I pasted from wrong section16:41
ZogG_laptophave the same16:43
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jonnior your initctl just happends to fail by some reason. anyways mce sources are available on public dvd so you can control the leds by reading the sources too :)16:49
ZogG_laptopnot  solution for me16:50
ZogG_laptopdon't want to mess up things16:50
Appiahgri: always a internet connection so I guess it's today for sweden..16:50
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pawkyjonni: Do you think upgrading the replacement phone to the latest firmware is a good idea, or should one stick with 1.0 and wait for 1.2?17:28
pawkyjonni:( maybe I got the versions a bit backwards, but you know what I mean I presume)17:29
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: ping17:32
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jonnipawky: well I'm running PR1.1 as its less buggy than 1.018:00
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irctc957Hi I'm tryind to read a GConf's key I'm looking at but I don't know what do I need to include in order to use libgq-gconf, could someone please help me18:37
fralsiirc that header is missing in the qtsdk (or at least, did when i tried it a month or two back)18:38
grimissing packages can be downloaded with scratchbox and installed in qtsdk :)18:39
fralsits actually just missing the .h, the .so is there (iirc)18:39
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griwell this means the -dev package is missing in qtsdk I gues .. for my project I also need to install libcommhistory-dev from scratchbox since it's missing all the time in qtsdk18:40
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irctc957but If I'm using Qt SDK 1.4 with the harmattan configuration, can I use it?18:42
griit's not missing18:42
grigconfitem.h is in /usr/include18:42
grisorry :)18:43
irctc957I'm not an expert I don't use scractchbox18:43
irctc957I have a project and I just use Qt Creator to create my application an a phone to test it18:43
irctc957I need to read a GConf key but don't know what do I have to include18:43
griirctc957: PKGCONFIG += gq-gconf18:45
griand include <gconfitem.h>18:45
irctc957thanks gri!18:45
irctc957so to use osso-wlan I have to add PKGCONFIG += osso-wlan ?18:46
javispedrowhat do you want to use osso-wlan for?18:47
irctc957I need to access WiFi networks to get their MAC addresses18:47
irctc957I thought that I need osso-wlan18:47
griI'd suggest Qt Mobility for that18:48
irctc957and where I can read about that? I mean accessing WiFi with Qt Mobility?18:49
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irctc957thank you so much :)18:50
grinot sure if this is exactly what you're looking for but it might help18:51
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irctc957and could someone help me to insert the result of a DB query to a QML ListModel? I have seen this but I can't get it working, I found a way of filling a ListModel, but it is a horrible one18:54
ZogG_laptophmm qtnetwork =\18:54
irctc957I have label with it's text associated to an exported value from c++, then when the text changes I insert the value into the list model18:55
irctc957but that's very slow, I did it cause I don't know other way18:55
irctc957I know it's wrong but it works, now I want to do it the right way18:55
griirctc957: I do think I know a better way to work around this than the blog suggests but had no time to try it yet18:58
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griit should be possible to write a javascript method that replaces the model in the SelectionDialog18:59
irctc957ok, I will keep reading, thanks19:01
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griirctc957: btw. before accessing gconf directly, take a look at QValueSpace
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ZogG_laptopanyone here can help with QNetworkReply ?19:11
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griwhat's the problem?19:19
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messertingAnyone knows how to configure wammu/gammu (formerly known as gnokii) with Nokia N9 over bluetooth?19:20
ZogG_laptopgri i think i solved it only if i could compile now as i get wierd error19:21
griZogG_laptop: "weird error" is not a exact description :)19:22
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ZogG_laptopackaging Error: Command '/home/zogg/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 219:22
ZogG_laptopmissing "P" at the start19:22
grithat's the only error message you see?19:23
griwell, this is only a packaging error, nothing with the compiler. Did you modify "rules"?19:24
ZogG_laptopoh i checked output there were more19:24
ZogG_laptopfound error19:25
ZogG_laptopthanks for tip19:25
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corecoderemind me what i have to do to my user account to allow ssh login?19:32
corecodeit says permission denied, but i have a proper key installed19:33
mgedmincorecode, you have to unlock it19:35
mgedminpasswd -d user19:36
mgedminthis changes /etc/passwd to have a ! instead of a *, or maybe the other way around, in the password field19:36
corecodedidn't work19:37
CissWitcorecode: are you trying to log in as root ?19:38
CissWitwhat is your local network subnet ?19:38
corecodea /2119:39
CissWitby default only local network are allowed19:39
corecodewhere is that configured?19:39
corecodeoh jesus19:40
ZogG_laptopgri now i do have question19:40
corecodeoh, what's the default developer password?19:40
mgedminthe ssh upstart job overrides some sshd options on the command line, and is protected by aegis, so you can't modify it19:40
ZogG_laptopfirst of all, i get reply from website but when i print it it's ECRT#%$T$E something like that19:41
mgedminbut still, I can ssh to my n9 as user@ with no problems after (1) dropping the authorized_keys file, (2) unlocking the 'user' account in /etc/passwd, and (3) making sure file permissions aren't too permissive19:41
mgedminI'm not even sure (3) was necessary19:41
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corecodei'm not on a 192.168.* network19:41
corecodethat's it19:41
corecodewas searching for a /etc/hosts.allow19:41
CissWitmgedmin: even if you are not on one of the subnets defined in the sshd_config ?19:41
mgedminlooking at it now...19:42
mgedminyes, my network falls under 192.168/1619:42
corecodehow do you interact with upstart?19:43
corecodeno stop/service19:43
mgedmindunno, inictl maybe?19:44
mgedmin/sbin/start, /sbin/stop exist19:44
mgedminthey're not in the default user's $PATH19:44
corecodeah works now19:45
corecodeso what's the password for developer?19:45
CissWitwhat do you mean ? the default root password ?19:46
mgedminwhenever you run the SDK Connectivity Tool, it'll set a random password and tell you what it is19:46
corecodethe account "developer"19:46
mgedminthe Qt SDK then has wizards to set up ssh keys for the developer@ account etc.19:47
CissWitthere's no password defined corecode19:47
CissWitby default at least19:47
corecodethere was one set19:49
CissWiti wonder why there's no /etc/shadow and only the old school /etc/passwd on the n919:50
corecodeno multiuser system19:50
CissWitand ?19:51
corecodeaegis protection?19:51
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griZogG_laptop: sorry, I was on the phone19:56
gricorecode: If you use the usb networking there's not much to change on the ip addresses19:58
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ajalkaneAll hail, and bow before, MeeGo Harmattan. Amen.20:06
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ZogG_laptopgri can i share part of code and maybe you may help20:20
grisure, paste it at some site20:21
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griZogG_laptop: I guess "response" is empty?20:24
grialso the things you put into upload_info should be part of the http header, not of your post data20:24
griatleast the content-disposition and type20:25
griQNetworkAccessManager::post() returns immediately20:26
grito read the data the webserver replies, you have to connect to the finished() signal of QNetworkReply20:26
griinside that you have the check whether an error occurred or if not, you can call readAll(). You also have to deleteLater() the QNetworkReply inside of that slot20:27
gri might be a hint, too20:28
grias well as QNetworkRequest::setRawHeader20:28
ZogG_laptopi saw setRawHeader in example MohammadAG gave me20:28
ZogG_laptopgri i need to post 2 things and than get reply i did it with curl20:29
griwell the Qt network functions are asynchronous20:31
griand curl is synchronous as far as I know20:31
griso you need a slot to know when you data is received20:31
griyou can also trick this but I would not recommend that20:32
griQNetworkReply* reply = m_manager->post(...); QEventLoop loop; connect(reply, SIGNAL(finished()), &loop, SLOT(quit())); QString response = reply->readAll(); ...20:33
griupts, loop.exe() is missing after the connect call20:33
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Sazpaimondoes the usb cover issue only affect a certain number of devices20:44
SazpaimonI'd like to think my usb cover has been treated not so well, yet it's still straight and rigid20:44
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ZogG_laptopgri trying to play with slots20:54
ZogG_laptoptried to avoid it and leave it for after =)20:56
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ZogG_laptopgri still here?21:02
ZogG_laptopi used in upload.h in signals void serviceRequestFinished(QNetworkReply* reply);21:03
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ZogG_laptopthan i used connect(networkManager, SIGNAL(finished(QNetworkReply*)), this, SLOT(serviceRequestFinished(QNetworkReply*))); networkManager->post(QNetworkRequest(url), postData);21:04
grishow me the code and then a description21:05
grithat's better as guessing from 2 lines of code21:05
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MohammadAGlardman, lardman|home there?21:16
MohammadAGDon't use QEventLoop, unless you're in another thread that will hang the UI21:17
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lardman|homehey MohammadAG21:35
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MohammadAGlardman|home, wanted to know how to start drive-qml, found it in #harmattan logs :)21:43
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lardman|homeoh right, not sure I'd have known about that anyway tbh21:43
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: sup21:48
MohammadAGlardman|home, you should, you asked me about it and I gave you an answer some months ago afaik :P21:48
MohammadAGright, facebook checkins integrate with Nokia Maps and Nokia Drive21:49
MohammadAGyou can use facebook checkins to get directions to nearby places21:49
lardman|homeMohammadAG: ah, fair enough :)21:49
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: the led config is in /etc/mce.ini and you can turn them on21:49
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: no need for app21:49
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MohammadAGZogG_laptop, huh?21:50
MohammadAGMTF getting on my nerves21:52
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: say hi to djzapi21:54
VenemoZogG_laptop, ok, I will21:54
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: there are leds setting try to set screenon to 421:55
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, your point?21:55
MohammadAGthe apps don't activate the LEDs21:55
ZogG_laptopthan it MFT21:55
MohammadAGmce isn't the problem, the apps are21:55
ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: it has common setting for buildin patterns21:56
jonnithe point is that you can activate the leds without mft21:56
MohammadAGZogG_laptop, you're missing the point21:56
MohammadAGfenix, phone app, etc don't request the LEDs be activated21:56
MohammadAGmy app monitors events added, and fires a DBus request to mce to light up the LED21:56
MohammadAGk, my main problems with OMP are going to be21:57
MohammadAGFast scroll, I don't get how it's done with MTF and I'm not going to use QML21:57
MohammadAGthe random albums on the front page, someone needs to find me the algo21:57
MohammadAGand finally, the animation when sliding from one album to the next21:57
MohammadAGother than that, OMP seems easy21:58
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: yep, and AIUI paegis is killing this dbus msg to MCE, so LED isn't controllable this way, unless you use develsh or otherwise escalate permissions21:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yes, I'm aware of that since I made led-event-notifier with my first N950 :P21:59
MohammadAGZogG_laptop otoh thinks it's an mce issue21:59
DocScrutinizerI guess it's friggin irrelevant if MFT or printf() is sending that dbus cmd21:59
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MohammadAGooh, eBuddy XMS22:01
MohammadAGthat wasn't expected22:01
MohammadAGsucks compared to the iOS/Android versions, as expected22:01
MohammadAGlooks Harmattany, ++ for the effort22:01
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jonniDocScrutinizer: cant you just bypass everything and control led just by accessing the /dev/i2c-1 device yourself, no need to any permissions if you dont use the API's ;)22:11
DocScrutinizerwas possible if we'd stop mce ;-P22:12
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DocScrutinizerfcam on fremantle did that, and introduced quite some *big* trouble22:13
DocScrutinizer(did direct I2C, not did stop mce)22:13
MohammadAGbeford_nemo, someone posted it on tmo22:14
DocScrutinizeror maybe fcam accessed the lp5523 interface22:14
jonniah yes maybe not a good idea. Lets see if I have someday time to play with mce to see if there is some nice way to do it :)22:14
DocScrutinizereffect is the same though: collision, "-EAGAIN"22:14
MohammadAGisn't i2c blocked by aegis anyway?22:15
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DocScrutinizerseems the dev isn't22:16
DocScrutinizerI've not checked, but according to what I recall regarding i2cget etc it actually acce4ssable *under develsh*22:16
DocScrutinizerbut I2C blocked by LP5523/$wahtever kernel driver anyway, and that one is occupied by mce22:18
DocScrutinizersame situations as with bme and bq2720022:18
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* Arkenoi tries to find "save" button in the shortcuts app. seems there is none.22:32
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RST38hevening, javispedro22:44
RST38hDebian and Ubuntu removing oracle/sun jvm packages22:45
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javispedrohah, another setback to oracle's world domination plan.22:46
RST38hyou mean, another small step for oracle's self destruction plan?22:46
javispedrothat too22:47
* RST38h pleads to his hero, his dark knight, Larry Ellison, to kill Dalvik by lawyers22:48
grimy java professor will be sad to hear that :D22:48
RST38hgri:Tell him he can still move to India and code in Java!22:48
kimjuwell, next you see eveyone lining up to buy oracle's own distro.. (yeah, right..)22:48
RST38hAFAIK, nobody but legacy users is lining up to buy anything from Oracle22:49
javispedrodepends on whether it is a "java professor" or one of Oracle's Knights indoctrinated in Shiny Sun Java.22:49
RST38hI might be wrong of course22:49
yipdwRST38h: those legacy users shell out asstons of money, though22:49
* yipdw works for one22:49
RST38hyipdw: Of course. But they are deadend.22:49
grijavispedro: a professor that should teach programming but actually only teaches how java does the things and forgets about all other languages22:49
RST38hgri: Briefcase ->Airport ->India22:50
yipdwRST38h: Oracle, maybe, but migration between databases is such a difficult task that I think Oracle can just coast on that22:50
RST38hyipdw: I know people who do DB migration for living22:50
yipdwRST38h: we have clinical records stored in Oracle, so if the people you know can handle that22:51
RST38hyipdw: should not be different from any other relational data22:51
RST38hyipdw: can be migrated, the main problem going to be the server-side automation that is Oracle specific22:51
yipdwit's not, but the scope of it is pretty big, and there's many applications that rely on the server-side automation22:52
yipdw(there is a lot of that)22:52
yipdwjust offering one anecdote22:52
RST38hyeah, that is why legacy users pay contractors so much money to do migration ;)22:52
yipdwwe do all new work in PostgreSQL nowadays22:52
yipdwRST38h: yeah.  I guess for now the costs and risks of migration just haven't outweighed the cost of paying Oracle22:53
yipdwdunno, though, I'm not the Oracle DBA22:53
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* RST38h isn'teither, but developed for both Postgress and Oracle22:54
* javispedro has only seen Informix from the Big DBs. And once22:54
RST38hPostrgres kinda sucks performance wise =(22:54
yipdwdepends on what your application's audience is, I guess22:55
yipdwwe haven't had problems with performance of the database22:55
yipdwif we need *really* fast read/writes in some part of an application then that part usually gets retargeted to use Redis or something22:56
DocScrutinizer51javispedro: moo22:56
MohammadAGno JVM packages in my Ubuntuz?22:56
javispedroheya MohammadAG22:56
RST38hyipdw: it is totally possibly we simply had an old, slow server22:56
mgedminopenjdk doesn't cut it for you, MohammadAG?22:57
yipdwRST38h: yeah, possibly22:57
MohammadAGhow will my Ubuntu function without the Javas?!22:57
MohammadAGhey javispedro22:57
RST38hMohammad: In His infinite wisdom, Larry Ellison has revoked Sun's original license for redistributing binary packages with Linux22:57
javispedroRST38h: ....22:57
RST38hWhich is no big deal, really. Who uses Java, anyway?22:58
javispedroRST38h: so, you were completely right re their self-destruction plan.22:58
yipdwRST38h: I thought the openjdk packages were still going to remain22:58
javispedroElop, Apotheker and Ellison should go and create a fight club or something.22:58
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DocScrutinizer51well after this job I could hire everywhere, with winXP and Office crap, and ClearCase and eclipse and crosscompiling and LTE stack and security and... - alas I'll probably end in a sanatory22:59
MohammadAGwhat about Ballmer?22:59
yipdwI guess Ballmer is a bit like Robert Paulson22:59
RST38hjavispedro: As far as arrogance goes, Elop has nothing against Larry23:00
RST38hMohammad: Ballmer will eat the loser.23:00
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DocScrutinizer51oops keyrepeat was faster than I thought :-)23:01
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MohammadAGwhen will Nokia sue israel for their N95023:02
MohammadAGthat's one useful device stuck for no reason23:02
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DocScrutinizer51what's the last news regarding that, MohammadAG ?23:02
VenemoMohammadAG, you still haven't got it?23:03
MohammadAGVenemo, I got the 3rd device shipped to me23:03
MohammadAGthe 2nd one is still in customs23:03
MohammadAGNokia claimed it, and it's still in customs23:03
DocScrutinizer51(btw N950 ?= useful)23:03
infobotisrael-sucks is probably
VenemoMohammadAG, so you at least have an N950? :)23:03
MohammadAGVenemo, yes, but the fact there's another one in Israel without an owner annoys me23:03
VenemoMohammadAG, understandably23:03
javispedrooh, it probably has an owner by now...23:04
Venemooh btw. I've ordered a Lumia 800 developer gift from them :)23:04
MohammadAGyeah, me too23:04
MohammadAGstill new order though23:04
javispedroanyone from the #n950club hasn't?23:04
javispedrowere so loyal...23:04
MohammadAGjavispedro, no, they actually called me wanting me to pay for the "parking" place it's taking23:04
MohammadAGfunny they call it parking, I love how good Israeli companies' english is23:05
javispedroMohammadAG: Briefcase ->Airport ->India23:05
Venemojavispedro, well, I develop for WP7 too anyway, so it'll be useful to me.23:05
lizardojavispedro, /me not, because I wasn't there :)  and I didn't bother to ask them politely23:05
MohammadAGanyone's gift shipped yet?23:05
MohammadAGI can't wait to give the device away!23:05
Venemojavispedro, I haven't decided whether to replace the N950 with the 800 as a day-to-day device23:05
MohammadAGpoor victim receiving it23:05
javispedroMohammadAG: ah, they don't know where you live iirc. So no need for briefcase :)23:05
javispedroVenemo: vade retro!23:06
Venemojavispedro, but exploiting an evil company for a free device is always the right thing to do anyway :D :D23:06
MohammadAGVenemo, think about it like this23:06
MohammadAGDo you like having a fake N923:06
MohammadAGor a device with NOT FOR SALE - DEVELOPER DEVICE on it23:06
VenemoMohammadAG, that's exactly what I'm talkin about!!!23:06
MohammadAGin other news, WP7 has whatsapp23:06
MohammadAGso does my iPhone23:06
MohammadAGI'll probably keep the 800 for tinkering around or when all my batteries run out23:07
MohammadAGdamn, if it was an iPhone 5 prototype I could trade it for a car23:07
lizardojavispedro, I suppose it was going to appear here :  but maybe then went out of stock :)23:08
javispedrolizardo: ouch, I thought they had quite a lot of them23:09
VenemoMohammadAG :D :D :D23:09
javispedrolizardo: (note the note in the black red box has been there for ages, so it's not related to the lumia, afaik).23:09
VenemoMohammadAG, well, if they fix its battery issue, the 800 won't be as bad. methinks.23:09
MohammadAG512MBs of RAM23:09
MohammadAGand yeah, Windows23:10
VenemoMohammadAG, only problem with both N9 and 800 is that they have a SMALL screen compared to da N950...23:10
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lizardojavispedro, anyway, mine has empty list.  I hope someone manages to install Linux on it, so I can buy it next year (when it arrives here) :)23:10
DocScrutinizer51hooker800 just needs good vibrator23:10
javispedrolizardo: by next year you can probably get good prices on second hand n9s =)23:11
DocScrutinizer51javispedro: can you provide the accurate english term for lumia?23:12
lizardojavispedro, sure, but I was too anxious and end up buying one... anyway, it has been years since I last bought my own phone, so it was a good xmas gift to myself23:12
DocScrutinizer51not the best known one23:12
lizardojavispedro, got it yesterday :) they are actually selling fairly well here, but people complain a lot about the price selling locally23:13
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: remember that as per our discussion I've never heard "that" meaning, but rather lively23:13
DocScrutinizer51ouch, N9 for xmess gift - what a bummer23:13
javispedrolizardo: hehe, congrats23:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: the official dic does use the "best known one" term.23:14
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MohammadAGadd an "n" and it's a Chevrolet Lumina23:15
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MohammadAGtake out mi, and it's a programming language23:15
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MohammadAGLots of Users Missing In Action is the best I could come up with for LUMIA23:18
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: great23:19
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javispedro2 month long RMA from ASUS and the story still continues23:42
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ieatlintso everyone who ordered the lumia is still "new order" in ddp?23:50
javispedrosomeone said the changes for shipments to start before christmas were "low"23:51
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ieatlintthat sucks, i originally read shipments are supposed to start 12/1423:51
javispedro(someone = )23:51
ieatlintthey're shipping it to my house, but i'll only be there between xmas and new year :(23:52
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kimjuiirc the order form said that it will ship when they have stock, estimated on or after dec 14.23:57
ieatlintyes, that sounds right23:57

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