IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-12-16

*** NIN101 has quit IRC		00:00
*** xruxa has joined #harmattan		00:10
*** jluisn has quit IRC		00:12
*** ab has quit IRC		00:37
*** ab has joined #harmattan		00:37
*** ab has joined #harmattan		00:37
*** smoku has joined #harmattan		00:37
*** RST221z has joined #harmattan		00:53
*** smoku has left #harmattan		00:53
RST221z	hi, is it possible to install a web server on the N9, I have installed lighttpd package from maemo but I get an error "can't bind to port 80 permission denied"	00:55
*** heymaster has joined #harmattan		00:57
gri	you know that ports < 1024 are only bindable by root?	01:02
ieatlint	aegis might not stop the root account from doing it	01:03
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC		01:03
jpwhiting	hey all, does meego/harmattan have a way for an application to get a guid ?	01:03
jpwhiting	or sign itself or something like that?	01:03
RST221z	I was doing it as root	01:06
*** gri is now known as zz_gri		01:07
*** tbf has quit IRC		01:10
*** xruxa has quit IRC		01:13
*** rm_work has quit IRC		01:35
*** M4rtinK has joined #harmattan		01:35
*** briglia has quit IRC		01:48
*** lardman has joined #harmattan		01:49
*** RST221z has quit IRC		01:54
DocScrutinizer	jpwhiting: no	01:56
DocScrutinizer	wtf is RST221? RST38h, your alter ego? Anyway: >>You must be root (CAP_NET_ADMIN capability) to [do things like set TOS, use ports <1024, etc]...<< I guess root doesn't have these capabilities/tokens/permissions even when using develsh	02:04
DocScrutinizer	harmattan root is all but a normal root	02:04
beford	might be easier to change the port	02:09
DocScrutinizer	sure, first test on yourhost:8080	02:11
*** Natunen has quit IRC		02:16
*** Aranel_N9 has joined #harmattan		02:32
Aranel	what is the file-name of that cute Harmattan arrow, which is used in list menus?	02:33
*** Aranel_N9 has quit IRC		02:33
Aranel	thanks to ls \| grep arrow, it's named icon-m-common-drilldown-arrow.png	02:36
Aranel	I'd prefer cute-menu-arrow.png , would be easier to find.	02:36
DocScrutinizer	ls arrow	02:37
ieatlint	i wonder if someone's made a icon browser app for finding them..	02:38
ieatlint	would be a useful and simple thing	02:38
Aranel	ieatlint: I was going to ask for same thing ^^ would be very useful.	02:39
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "tracker" and burst into sardonic cackling		02:39
ieatlint	i know i copied the icon folder onto my laptop and just browse the images with an image browser	02:40
ieatlint	a website would be even nicer for it, but copyright bs, etc	02:40
DocScrutinizer	actually it's probably more mystical black magic why tracker based gallery does NOT show these	02:42
*** lardman has quit IRC		02:47
Aranel	I've asked it 3 different times with different wording, and never got a real answer but, I'll try odds again: where is the "I'm busy I'll call you later" message stored? Can I access&change it or would aegis eat me alive?	02:48
*** JackaLX has quit IRC		02:52
*** JackaLX has joined #harmattan		02:53
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC		03:04
*** pawky has quit IRC		03:04
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #harmattan		03:04
*** pawky has joined #harmattan		03:06
*** pawky has quit IRC		03:10
*** pawky has joined #harmattan		03:11
*** daniel_o has quit IRC		03:13
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC		03:15
*** pawky has quit IRC		03:15
*** pawky has joined #harmattan		03:15
*** pawky has quit IRC		03:16
*** adlan has joined #harmattan		03:32
GeneralAntilles	lizardo, that sucks. If you're really attached to the idea I could probably be convinced to give up mine. :P	03:39
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint/ZogG_laptop, I removed the laptop this morning.	03:39
GeneralAntilles	ZogG_laptop, so kindly get the facts straight before you start in on me. :)	03:40
ieatlint	that's not as much fun/drama	03:41
GeneralAntilles	ieatlint, and I agree with you he doesn't rank very high on the irritation scale	03:42
GeneralAntilles	But it's as if no discussion of security or aegis can go without his $0.02 for months.	03:42
ieatlint	haha	03:42
GeneralAntilles	I issued a couple warnings, he ignored them one two many times.	03:42
ieatlint	he's probably just trolling everyone	03:42
GeneralAntilles	s/two/too	03:42
GeneralAntilles	I've had that theory put to me more than once.	03:43
ieatlint	he's doing a fantastic job if so	03:44
*** pawky has joined #harmattan		03:50
*** svuorela has left #harmattan		04:04
*** Sazpaimon has joined #harmattan		04:18
*** Sazpaimon has quit IRC		04:18
*** Sazpaimon has joined #harmattan		04:19
*** lizardo has quit IRC		04:25
*** meegoexperts has joined #harmattan		04:39
*** briglia has joined #harmattan		04:44
*** briglia has quit IRC		04:45
*** adlan has quit IRC		05:08
*** adlan has joined #harmattan		05:09
*** hardaker has quit IRC		05:30
*** hardaker has joined #harmattan		05:35
*** stroughtonsmith_ has joined #harmattan		05:54
*** stroughtonsmith has quit IRC		05:57
*** stroughtonsmith has joined #harmattan		05:59
*** stroughtonsmith_ has quit IRC		05:59
*** Natunen has joined #harmattan		06:02
*** antman8969 has joined #harmattan		06:42
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC		07:03
*** SpeedEvil has joined #harmattan		07:18
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC		07:41
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #harmattan		07:41
*** adlan has quit IRC		07:44
*** adlan has joined #harmattan		07:45
*** mece has joined #harmattan		07:48
*** antman8969 has quit IRC		07:51
*** adlan has quit IRC		08:02
*** hardaker has quit IRC		08:11
*** adlan has joined #harmattan		08:14
*** GeneralAntilles1 has joined #harmattan		08:33
*** xarcass has joined #harmattan		08:34
*** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC		08:34
*** niwakame\|away is now known as niwakame		09:02
DocScrutinizer	btw bury all hopes if you ever thought maybe a bored (Ex-)Nokian might leak the master key for Nokia's OMAP root cert. I've learnt during last 2 weeks how the signing process is set up in industry R&D and I guess that's universal - and stating "Flop keeps it under his pillow" is closer to reality than any scenario where a random employee might get access to that signing key	09:03
dm8tbr	moaning	09:04
niwakame	re / good morning everyone	09:05
DocScrutinizer	so we have two chances to get full access to the signature: communists doing their awesome RE with raster electron microscopy and slowly taking off atom layer after atom layer from the chip and determining the bits in there, and community driven brute force cracking though I don't see how that might work if there's no special hw available to check the 2^56 possible keys against the secret key in TPM	09:08
DocScrutinizer	and moo indeed	09:08
* dm8tbr would go for lower hanging fruit		09:09
DocScrutinizer	sure	09:09
dm8tbr	is there a reason to use the HS mode?	09:09
DocScrutinizer	no	09:09
DocScrutinizer	except of course for BB5	09:09
DocScrutinizer	but then we don't exactly want access to BB5 as we don't have a clue what to mess up there ;-D	09:10
* DocScrutinizer starts to dive into that domain again, for doing his daywork		09:11
DocScrutinizer	not BB5 though :-D	09:11
DocScrutinizer	Thorium	09:11
mpr	how should I access gconf values from the sdk?	09:12
DocScrutinizer	err, "from SDK"?	09:12
*** xarcass has quit IRC		09:12
DocScrutinizer	please elaborate	09:12
mpr	beta2/3 qt sdk	09:12
mpr	seems that there's gconf, gsettings, gconfitem, etc., but none of the examples seem to work	09:13
mpr	include files are missing etc	09:13
DocScrutinizer	I dunno what you are planning to do	09:14
*** zk8 has joined #harmattan		09:14
mpr	get/set a value from the gconf store	09:14
mpr	the things that you can access from command line with gconftool	09:15
DocScrutinizer	I know what's gconf	09:15
qronic	does somebody know if it's possible to adjust the duration (and number of repeats) of playing an alarm sound?	09:15
DocScrutinizer	so a possible answer is >>gconftool --help	09:16
mpr	so how can I do the equivalent of " gconftool --type string --set" from a qt app?	09:16
mpr	without execing gconftool :)	09:16
jonni	system("gconf....") :)	09:16
jonni	heh, but there is easier way too	09:16
jonni	let me do some digging	09:16
DocScrutinizer	qronic: very good question	09:17
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders what token is needed to access gconf - and if that token is available at all on OVI		09:19
jonni	mpr: /usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/gconf.h	09:19
qronic	I've straced /usr/bin/reminderservice, it checks /home/user/.config/Nokia/ReminderService.conf on start, but there're only 3 parameters for logging and debugging, don't know where to look else	09:19
*** zk8 has quit IRC		09:20
DocScrutinizer	qronic: again gconf maybe	09:20
mpr	jonni: yeah, but if you include that, it complains that it can't find the headers that that includes	09:20
DocScrutinizer	:-S	09:20
* DocScrutinizer waves		09:20
jonni	link against /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4, and -I/usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/	09:20
mpr	ok	09:21
*** beford has quit IRC		09:21
jonni	-I/usr/include/gconf/2 even	09:21
ieatlint	DocScrutinizer: do you by chance know what exactly /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify is actually checking by chance?	09:22
ieatlint	hmmm, probably shouldn't have repeated that in the same sentence	09:22
*** xarcass has joined #harmattan		09:22
*** lamikr has joined #harmattan		09:28
DocScrutinizer	ieatlint: afaik it checks a cert that lives in cellmo and thus isn't accessible at all by "userland" to somehow mess with it	09:28
ieatlint	i see it referenced in /etc/init scripts a few times..	09:30
DocScrutinizer	basicaly the root or stem of all aegis	09:30
*** fuz_ has quit IRC		09:30
ieatlint	huh, ok	09:31
*** fuz_ has joined #harmattan		09:35
*** ZogG has joined #harmattan		09:42
ZogG	morning	09:43
*** meegoexperts has quit IRC		09:47
mpr	after adding include directories for /usr/include/gconf/2 /usr/include/glib-2.0 /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include it still complains that it can't find glibconfig.h	09:47
mpr	this is kind of horrible considering that http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Essential_concepts_for_Harmattan_developers_Data_storage.html lists GConf as a way to store application settings :)	09:50
jonni	mpr: just add another -I as its in /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h	09:58
mpr	well I already have /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include	09:58
mpr	for some reason it's not finding it	09:58
jonni	which header is including that file?	10:00
mpr	the sdk says /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/galloca.h, but seems that it's actually the gtypes.h that that's including	10:01
jonni	sounds wierd, it really should work with 2 -I's	10:02
jonni	ah if you have 3 -I's that might cause the problem	10:04
mpr	well I tried without the last one first but it complained about the missing glibconfig.h	10:05
jonni	have you tried to remove /usr/include/glib-2.0	10:05
mpr	which indeed seems to be found only under /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include	10:05
mpr	what would the removal help?	10:05
mpr	ah, you meant from the -I's :)	10:06
jonni	;)	10:06
mpr	then it just complains about missing glib-object.h	10:07
*** tarantism has quit IRC		10:07
jonni	and that one is included by what?	10:08
mpr	or glib.h, depending on whether you're including <gconf/gconf-client.h> or <gconf/gconf.h>	10:08
mpr	they're included directly by that gconf include that I'd need	10:09
jonni	ah, then its needed, maybe just change the order of -I's	10:09
jonni	after that one Im running out of ideas whichout seeing the makefile.	10:10
jonni	without even	10:10
mpr	doesn't seem to make any difference	10:11
tomma	mpr, are you using madde?	10:11
mpr	yes	10:11
mpr	a clean beta2 sdk installation that includes madde	10:12
tomma	i had similiar problem with one project... compiler gave error saying it cant find header even the path was given in -I	10:12
mpr	the makefile is just a generated qmake .pro with INCLUDEPATH += /usr/include/glib-2.0 /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include /usr/include/gconf/2 added to the end	10:13
mpr	(and LIBS += -L/usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4)	10:13
*** xruxa has joined #harmattan		10:19
tomma	mpr, try without shadowbuilding if that help	10:19
*** niwakame is now known as niwakame\|afk		10:20
mpr	ha, I guess I found the problem	10:20
mpr	doing those INCLUDEPATHs that way included the headers from my system, not from the madde sysroot :)	10:21
tomma	it shouldn't include anything from your system	10:22
tomma	you are using it wrong =)	10:22
jonni	or calling systems qmake :)	10:22
mpr	well I'm just using the ide	10:23
tomma	"$ ~/QtSDK/Madde/targets/harmattan_10.2011.34-1/bin/qmake -spec linux-g++-maemo" "$ ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad -t harmattan_10.2011.34-1 make -j16"	10:23
mpr	so it's using itself wrong, or something :)	10:23
tomma	Qt3D doesn't seem to build out of source tree	10:23
*** harbaum has joined #harmattan		10:24
mpr	it does say QMAKE = QtSDK/Madde/targets/harmattan-nokia-meego-api/bin/qmake in the generated makefile	10:26
mpr	so it's just that the paths in INCLUDEPATH are interpreted just as they're given, not relative to the target sysroot	10:27
jonni	I've been using too much scratchbox to notice that :)	10:31
*** clbr has joined #harmattan		10:50
mpr	haha!	10:53
mpr	PKGCONFIG += gconf-2.0	10:53
mpr	and everything works without any other include or lib paths	10:53
*** tbf has joined #harmattan		10:57
*** gabriel9 has joined #harmattan		10:59
*** jreznik has joined #harmattan		11:00
*** meegoexperts has joined #harmattan		11:08
*** macmaN has quit IRC		11:15
*** harbaum has quit IRC		11:25
*** zz_gri is now known as gri		11:29
*** adlan has quit IRC		12:04
*** gabriel9\|work has joined #harmattan		12:13
*** gabriel9 has quit IRC		12:17
*** lbt is now known as lbt_away		12:20
rantom	Hi. Is the PR 1.1 still the newest PR for N950? I haven't checked for new fw for a while	12:28
rantom	s/PR 1.1/PR 1.1 or beta3	12:28
kimju	latest public firmware, yes.	12:28
rantom	Alright, thanks	12:29
* RST38h moos		12:55
ZogG	jonni, wanted to ask you about led and front camera. why do bugs got close, or should i say why we have them on n9?	12:59
*** jluisn has joined #harmattan		13:01
ZogG	and as well as you said to wait for pr1.2 to fix bug 123, i just afraid it woudl happen like with bug on maemo when it was marked fix(the one when call triggers music player to start playing) and it actually wasn't so it was said to wait from pr to pr and wasn't fixed till cssu	13:01
_MeeGoBot_	Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots	13:01
*** Arkenoi has joined #harmattan		13:02
jonni	front led is reserved for nokia apps only for usability reasons. And what was the issue for front camera?	13:03
jonni	as my memory sucks	13:03
ZogG	led is forbidden for devs coz of aegis =)	13:04
jonni	ZogG: its not because of aegis, its because of ovi policy that usability people desided.	13:04
ZogG	and not used for notification, and if you say on screen icons are good enuf i would argue as i can't see them if phone not in front of me	13:04
jonni	aegis just enforces the policy, it does not define it.	13:05
*** jluisn has quit IRC		13:05
*** jluisn has joined #harmattan		13:05
ZogG	jonni wait, i'll quote	13:05
*** leinir has joined #harmattan		13:06
jonni	isnt there simple mirror in ovi store already, or is there some issues on front camera that I dont know about.	13:06
Arkenoi	Is there a way to perform mass vcard import from a file/directory?	13:07
ZogG	jonni no support on any off ap, no skype support of phone is planned	13:08
*** macmaN has joined #harmattan		13:09
ZogG	i would understand that on n950 as it's dev phone so it up to devs. but if i buy end user phone with camera i want to use it somehow otherwise would would it be there. and mirror and apps from 3rd party is not system integration	13:10
ZogG	and about led - http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4554 "Cause mce::LEDControl in the aegis manifest is denied at installation for some reason, feel free to file a bug(?) about that"	13:10
jonni	apps feature desisions or nice to have features, not bugs as such. I havent been following if in future it will improve.	13:11
jonni	and it was decided that mce::LEDControl is only allowed for Nokia apps, so its not a bug, just a known limitation of the platform.	13:12
ZogG	jonni bug for video support in skype was closed (no future plans) , though someone opened it yesterday again, but i think not one of nokians	13:13
ZogG	jonni BUT NO nokia app uses led	13:14
jonni	ZogG: charging notification does use the led.	13:14
*** lardman\|gone is now known as lardman		13:14
*** lardman has quit IRC		13:14
*** lardman has joined #harmattan		13:14
ZogG	jonni so no led support and no nokia apps for it, but you limit so others can't use it	13:14
ZogG	jonni, it doesn't work for me, never so led used	13:14
jonni	works in n9 pr1.1	13:15
ZogG	i even can't check if it's working	13:15
ZogG	jonni, and just for chatrging is like buying phone for opening beers. if i buy something with led i expect it to be used somewhere and not just small useless charging notification	13:16
jonni	but yes, some might argue that decision to be a bit unfair, but life is sometimes.	13:16
ZogG	jonni, yeah i understand that, but it's not the point of life to be unfair, it's the point that i'm customer that paid money for it	13:17
ZogG	and i can't use it	13:17
jonni	and in open mode you can blink it without limitations.	13:17
ZogG	openmode?	13:17
jonni	(when booted with custom kernel, and never booting back to secure mode)	13:18
ZogG	you mean kernel without aegis? you mean i need to go against warranty to actually use some basic parts of phone i paid for/	13:18
ZogG	?	13:18
jonni	open mode kernel can have aegis too, that aegis just also allows mce::LEDControl for unknown origin too	13:19
ZogG	i understand you can't tell everything as well not always say your own opinion, what i ask to push it to inside bug tracker, so if nokia can't provide use of parts people paid for at least than to open it to developers	13:19
*** xarcass has quit IRC		13:19
ZogG	jonni, what about warranty if i flash with custom kernel and i have problems, Nokia would say it's my problem - right?	13:20
*** snowpong has joined #harmattan		13:20
ZogG	so why would i use something you don't support just to make use of part of phone that you actually put in it?	13:21
ZogG	paradox	13:21
jonni	most likely warranty void open mode is meant for developers. Afaik in real life warranty replacements have been working just fine even if you have flashes custom kernels as most of the shops dont checkit, ofcourse you might be unlucky.	13:21
ZogG	jonni, "as most of the shops dont checkit, ofcourse you might be unlucky." - is not a solution	13:22
jonni	~99.9999% dont check it.	13:22
ZogG	it's ot about if they check or not	13:22
ZogG	it's about tht it's not end user solution	13:22
ZogG	i'm not dev, i don't know to flash i paid for led, i want use of it	13:23
ZogG	that's simple like that	13:23
jonni	there are lots of features of of the phone that 3rd party developer dont have access to, led is just one part	13:23
ZogG	and i don't want to make my own kernel just to use led as n9 enduser	13:23
ZogG	jonni, i don't care if they don't have support until there is support from Nokia	13:24
ZogG	here we don't have	13:24
ZogG	i can send you photo of my n9 connected to charger with no led working	13:24
ZogG	i even CAN'T KNOW if it's working or it's just a piece of it not connected to phone just there	13:25
jonni	you paid for bb5 and and you dont have access to use those API's either. funny part is that led is only showing when your phone is off, its not used while its on :)	13:25
ZogG	so why the F it's there at all?	13:25
ZogG	and what is bb5?	13:25
jonni	as I said some might argue against the led desision, but most likely its FCC and/or legal requirement that product can be sold in some countries.	13:26
ZogG	buty why than no support from nokia? same reasons?	13:26
jonni	bb5, crypto, simlock etc features	13:26
jonni	ZogG: no idea, maybe it didnt fit into UX consept, FCC or nobody saw any benefits in using that.	13:28
*** clbr has quit IRC		13:29
jonni	might be usefull feature for someone, yes, and maybe there should be some settings option to allow led notifications, but in the otherhand it might be that someone has studied it to confuse end users more than it benefits. Just random speculation without any facts. No official company statements in here.	13:30
ZogG	noone is devs but not users. that's why can you reconsider it? as i would liek to see led across the room when charging phone and to know if i got sms or email	13:30
* Arkenoi tries to think out a way to repair broken address book		13:30
ZogG	like it was with n900, as i wouldn't like to stand up and go to check the screen	13:31
ZogG	if it's already there i would liek to see use of it and it's logical	13:31
ZogG	it can be used as option adn i would be pretty sure that most users would agree with me	13:31
ZogG	btw as far as i know even n8 has it	13:34
jonni	even I would love to see incoming sms'es and emails blinking the led. So Im not disagreeing the benefits, it would be nice as a feature. But even then I think it should be done inhouse and not by 3rd party. (if we would live in perfect world with unlimited resources).	13:36
alterego	It's not necessary on the N9 though, because of the active standby screen ..	13:36
alterego	It's only applicable to the N950 where there is no indication.	13:37
jonni	some people argue that they can disable active standby screen and want to see the led.	13:37
alterego	Well, submit a feature request? :)	13:37
* jreznik was arguing about it yesterday with ltinkl :) no more today :)		13:37
jreznik	but he described one nice neverending loop while sending sms when you are out of credit and your operator sends a note about low credit - very nice bug :)	13:38
ZogG	alterego why it's not on n9? and if the phone is not in front of you or room is dark, than idle screen is useless you need or to reach phone or to ulck it, while with led you can see it in dark and across the room	13:40
*** M4rtinK has joined #harmattan		13:40
alterego	Maybe with your eyes :P	13:42
alterego	To be honest, it just doesn't bother me, I actually found it annoying on the N900 ..	13:42
ZogG	jonni noone wants it in the next release, like people do want but noone asks for it now, people want it to be considered and to be worked on it even if it's done with less prior and not fast	13:43
ZogG	alterego i liked it, but as an option it's alwasy good	13:43
jonni	and if you missuse some api's you can already blink the led if I remember right. :*)	13:45
*** etrunko has joined #harmattan		13:45
ZogG	i just knwo remember it actually works for me, when i turn on or off phone that's it =)	13:46
ZogG	and about resources. it's funny as how meego development stopped, suddenly harmattan development is slow. =)	13:47
flux	in principle I think they could paint 'a led' into the corner of the lock screen. I doubt it consumes a lot of power anyway.	13:49
ZogG	paint?	13:49
flux	you know, the N9 lock screen isn't blank, there'a a picture there	13:49
ZogG	or than again we have icons there	13:50
flux	yes, there is an icon there, in addition there could be a colorful area in some corner.	13:50
ZogG	but we can't see them in dark room or if phone not in front of you	13:50
flux	it might be easier to see colors than the shapes of images.	13:50
ZogG	we have led we just need to use it, pretty smple	13:50
flux	I guess if you want to update it rapidly (1 fps), it would use a lot more power, though	13:51
Appiah	is the NFC supposed to work with "any device"	13:53
Appiah	as in sending stuff to another device with NFC thats not another N9	13:53
jonni	yes	13:54
Appiah	any tips on debugging that?	13:54
*** adlan has joined #harmattan		13:55
*** trx has quit IRC		13:59
jonni	ZogG: actually you can enable the led notifications yourself, it just needs devel-su, since it can be configured by changing a file which is not protected by aegis.	14:02
jonni	;)	14:02
jonni	just tested it my self	14:03
*** xarcass has joined #harmattan		14:03
ZogG	jonni, is it used for notification of i just can turn it on/off	14:03
petteri	any idea why some n9 models have working led and others don't?	14:04
ZogG	jonni Appiah as i understand the frequency matter, am i wrong?	14:04
ZogG	petteri what do you mean?	14:04
*** trx has joined #harmattan		14:04
ZogG	jonni and can you tell me what file btw so i can check?	14:05
jonni	petteri: they all have working led, default config just if that led newer shows if devices display is not off	14:05
jonni	just wondering should I make application for ovi store for configing all those notifications :)	14:06
petteri	jonni: where do I find the setting. In our household we have two n9, one shows the led when charching the other does not	14:07
jonni	/etc/mce/mce.ini	14:07
petteri	so can just copy the setting from my cya N9 to girlfrieds black 64GB one	14:08
jonni	use diff to see if files differ first, but basicly yes	14:11
jonni	and afterwards as devel-su: initctl restart mce, to activate the changes	14:14
petteri	ok, thanks. I will take a look at the diff. Reading the finnish forums. It seem that there a quite a lot of people the led disabled. Seems quite strange	14:16
petteri	with the led disabled	14:16
*** lizardo has joined #harmattan		14:16
SpeedEvil	Disabled or broken?	14:17
jonni	changing the pattern value from 4 to 5, will show the pattern even if led is disabled.	14:18
petteri	they all say that the led is working when booting the device	14:18
petteri	so disabled i would guess	14:19
SpeedEvil	ah	14:19
jonni	its just the default mce.ini policy that it only shows the led when display is off.	14:19
*** clbr has joined #harmattan		14:30
*** b3ll has quit IRC		14:33
alterego	Ooo, my second N9 has shipped :)	14:35
alterego	Wish I could tell what colour it is from the IMEI	14:35
jonni	black :)	14:36
ZogG	pink	14:37
ZogG	not white for sure	14:38
ZogG	jonni btw by display off does it mean idles screen too?	14:39
*** CepiPerez has joined #harmattan		14:39
jonni	depends whats idle screen, black screen with clock and notification icons	14:40
ZogG	yes	14:42
ZogG	does it include it as display off?	14:42
jonni	yes	14:42
jonni	ie mode 4 is enough for that, mode 5 only needed when wanting to blink led even when using apps	14:43
ZogG	RX51 is n9 right?	14:44
jonni	wrong, rx51 == n900	14:44
ZogG	damn i was hopping for more than one color =)	14:45
ZogG	so n9 is ?	14:45
*** tomyri has quit IRC		14:45
jonni	969	14:46
jonni	696 :)	14:47
*** tomyri has joined #harmattan		14:47
ZogG	PatternCommunication=30;1;0;4000027f027f02ff02ff027f027f02ff02ff41ff0000 > PatternCommunication=30;0;0;4000027f027f02ff02ff027f027f02ff02ff41ff0000 ?	14:48
jonni	and 680 == N950	14:48
ZogG	?	14:48
jonni	s/;1;/;4;/	14:49
* RST38h yawns, moos, says hello		14:49
ZogG	why 4?	14:49
Arkenoi	RST38h, do you have any idea how to dump/restore contact database?	14:49
ZogG	4 only show pattern if the display is off, or if in acting dead	14:49
jonni	might be that it acts dead when showing that clock	14:50
ZogG	haha	14:50
ZogG	like animals pretendind falling dead =)	14:50
jonni	but 0 might work too, just test it	14:50
jonni	I only tested with 4 and that atleast works	14:51
RST38h	Arkenoi: I do	14:51
RST38h	Arkenoi: It is in something like berkley db format	14:51
RST38h	Arkenoi: and conversation logs are in sqlite	14:52
ZogG	jonni, what is RX44 ?	14:52
RST38h	Arkenoi: so, for contacts, you can take the file and parse it	14:52
RST38h	Arkenoi: For Maemo6, both conversations and contacts may well be in sqlite though	14:52
ZogG	oh n810?	14:53
jonni	yep n810	14:53
*** l32606 has joined #harmattan		15:03
ZogG	jonni tried and didn't work =\	15:04
Arkenoi	RST38h, no more straightforward way, via native apis?	15:05
jkk_	the led issue has been posted as a bug here http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=54	15:07
*** l32606 has quit IRC		15:08
ZogG	jonni as i cahnged to 4 and restarted mce and even phone do i need anythig else?	15:08
jkk_	having the screen in either "full off when idle" or "off when idle" (=clock & possible notifications) does not matter	15:08
jkk_	but that just as a side note, you can carry on now ;)	15:10
*** jreznik has quit IRC		15:13
ZogG	jonni set it to 5 and restarted it	15:13
*** b3ll has joined #harmattan		15:14
*** jreznik has joined #harmattan		15:15
ZogG	jonni, ?	15:16
Appiah	ZogG nfc frequency?	15:19
Appiah	the other device reacts but nothing gets transfered	15:19
ZogG	Appiah i dunno	15:19
ZogG	i know that there are frueqnecies	15:19
Appiah	w00t firmware upgrade	15:21
*** xarcass has quit IRC		15:30
*** GeneralAntilles1 is now known as GeneralAntilles		15:31
*** GeneralAntilles has joined #harmattan		15:31
*** xarcass has joined #harmattan		15:32
ZogG	Appiah ?	15:33
ZogG	GeneralAntilles ping	15:34
GeneralAntilles	Hmm?	15:34
*** Sazpaimon_ has joined #harmattan		15:35
ZogG	GeneralAntilles the 24 ban should be over 24 hours ago for dj...	15:35
Appiah	20.2011.40-4.339.2	15:35
Appiah	just arrived to my N9	15:35
GeneralAntilles	ZogG, I removed the ban when I said the ban would be removed.	15:35
GeneralAntilles	ZogG, kindly check the banlist before pestering me about it. :)	15:36
*** artemma has joined #harmattan		15:36
ZogG	GeneralAntilles, ok	15:36
ZogG	#harmattan Banlist: Sun Nov 13 15:45:06 lcuk!@ zelazny.freenode.net wtf?????????	15:36
GeneralAntilles	A deceased man's client isn't something that's pleasant to have hanging around.	15:37
* GeneralAntilles goes to work.		15:37
ZogG	oh	15:37
ZogG	=\	15:37
*** Sazpaimon has quit IRC		15:38
Arkenoi	https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 there is a bug already :-/ anyone else here noticed that?	15:41
_MeeGoBot_	Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge	15:41
*** b3ll has quit IRC		15:46
*** pawky has joined #harmattan		15:50
gri	Appiah: 40-4 is nothing new	15:50
*** milot has joined #harmattan		15:50
*** milot has quit IRC		15:51
pawky	jippe... I finally got my N9 replaced.... and now to the big question should one upgrade to v1.1 or hold back?	15:51
ZogG	pawky, mazal tov	15:55
*** miroslav has joined #harmattan		15:55
ZogG	what motherbord issues you got now	15:55
pawky	ZogG, which means?	15:56
ZogG	pawky you told you always get phones with problems	15:56
ZogG	or was it ieatlint	15:56
pawky	ZogG: Well I haven't come that far yet... but this has the first firmware and it wants to upgrade. since 1.1 has a few bugs, I wonder what's best...	15:57
pawky	ZogG: Well.. mine had a severe hardware problem... I am hoping this one doesn't...	15:58
ZogG	pr1.2 woulld have bugs too	15:59
*** Venemo_N950 has joined #harmattan		16:00
pawky	yes, but that one doesn't exist yet... so for all of those who have upgraded with a working phon, was it worth it?	16:01
Venemo_N950	hey	16:01
CissWit	mine doesn't display the upgrade for 1.1 on the "Manage application" interface. I don't know why.	16:01
CissWit	helps to choose :)	16:01
Venemo_N950	~seen djszapi	16:01
infobot	djszapi <~lpapp@plexyplanet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 22h 10m 9s ago, saying: 'alterego: more effort to put a link in there, if they would like to publish the image ? :) Sounds funny.'.	16:01
pawky	Venemo_N950: he is on his way to Hungary...	16:02
pawky	Venemo_N950: Well... he got kicked out from here..	16:02
Venemo_N950	yeah, I'll meet him in person tomorrow	16:02
Venemo_N950	anyway.	16:02
pawky	Venemo_N950: Say hello from me, and tell him I got the replacement phone will you? :-)	16:03
Venemo_N950	do you guys know whether any of Harmattan's "documents" app open source?	16:03
Venemo_N950	pawky, sure :)	16:03
*** mairas has joined #harmattan		16:05
*** Venemo_N950 has quit IRC		16:05
*** javispedro has joined #harmattan		16:07
macmaN	what happened with djszapi? the age old kick threat was executed?	16:09
*** mece has quit IRC		16:10
pawky	macmaN: yup	16:12
*** jreznik has quit IRC		16:14
*** javispedro has quit IRC		16:15
*** jreznik has joined #harmattan		16:16
ZogG_laptop	hmm	16:19
ZogG_laptop	jonni: if you around i would like to hear more about mce config as i tried and it didn't work for me	16:20
*** faenil has joined #harmattan		16:20
jonni	for example PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;4000417f41ff41bf0000 -> PatternBatteryCharging=50;5;0;4000417f41ff41bf0000, initctl restart mce, and plug in your charger cable	16:21
ZogG_laptop	tried that	16:22
ZogG_laptop	do i need to change in all sections or only in my phone? or add or move something there as well?	16:22
jonni	I only changes 696	16:23
jonni	changed	16:23
ZogG_laptop	PatternCommunication=30;4;0;4000027f027f02ff02ff027f027f02ff02ff41ff0000	16:23
ZogG_laptop	PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;4000417f41ff41bf0000	16:23
ZogG_laptop	PatternBatteryChargingFlat=50;4;0;407f5f005f005f005f00400041ff0000	16:23
ZogG_laptop	tried with 5 as well	16:24
jonni	and you have N9 or N950?	16:24
ZogG_laptop	n9 64gib	16:24
*** hardaker has joined #harmattan		16:24
jonni	pretty wierd, and your sure thtat you changed in right section since 680 has the same exact lines	16:25
ZogG_laptop	yes	16:25
jonni	and running secure mode vs open mode?	16:27
Appiah	gri then why did I get it now and not earlier? =(	16:27
ZogG_laptop	jonni: official pr1.1 with devmode enabled	16:28
gri	Appiah: depends on your country, how often you have internet connectivity etc.	16:28
ZogG_laptop	jonni: do you have 16 or 64 version?	16:29
jonni	Appiah: variant pr1.1 deployment started today, so all the random variants are getting pr1.1 very soon.	16:29
jonni	ZogG: 64	16:29
ZogG_laptop	jonni: hmm than what it can be?	16:29
jonni	typo in config would be my guess	16:30
jonni	or broken led :)	16:30
ZogG_laptop	can you send me yours so i can diff?	16:30
ZogG_laptop	led is working when i turn on/off phone	16:30
jonni	or do apt-get --reinstall install mce, to get default config reinstalled	16:31
jonni	as I have some other optimization edits in mce.ini file, there is no easy way to diff :)	16:31
ZogG_laptop	ha i didn't get default one	16:32
*** miroslav has quit IRC		16:33
ZogG_laptop	reinstalled it	16:34
ZogG_laptop	should i comment example pattern?	16:35
RST38h	Arkenoi: Can't you guess the answer?	16:35
ZogG_laptop	jonni: can you paste the led part i'll copy paste it?	16:36
jonni	PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;9d804000427f437f433f0000	16:38
jonni	PatternBatteryChargingFlat=50;4;0;9d80407f7f007f007f007f004000437f0000	16:38
jonni	PatternBatteryFull=40;4;0;9d80407f0000	16:38
ZogG_laptop	found the difference i think	16:40
ZogG_laptop	jonni: i has those in 680	16:40
ZogG_laptop	and in 696 i have ;4000027f027f02ff02ff027f027f02ff02ff41ff0000	16:41
ZogG_laptop	never chabged mce	16:41
jonni	ooops, I pasted from wrong section	16:41
ZogG_laptop	=)	16:41
jonni	PatternBatteryCharging=50;4;0;4000417f41ff41bf0000	16:42
jonni	PatternBatteryChargingFlat=50;4;0;407f5f005f005f005f00400041ff0000	16:42
jonni	PatternBatteryFull=40;4;0;407f0000	16:42
ZogG_laptop	have the same	16:43
*** mairas has quit IRC		16:47
*** faenil has quit IRC		16:48
jonni	or your initctl just happends to fail by some reason. anyways mce sources are available on public dvd so you can control the leds by reading the sources too :)	16:49
ZogG_laptop	hmm	16:50
ZogG_laptop	not solution for me	16:50
ZogG_laptop	don't want to mess up things	16:50
Appiah	gri: always a internet connection so I guess it's today for sweden..	16:50
*** xarcass has quit IRC		16:58
*** snowpong has quit IRC		17:04
pawky	jonni: Do you think upgrading the replacement phone to the latest firmware is a good idea, or should one stick with 1.0 and wait for 1.2?	17:28
pawky	jonni:( maybe I got the versions a bit backwards, but you know what I mean I presume)	17:29
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: ping	17:32
*** b3ll has joined #harmattan		17:36
*** divan has joined #harmattan		17:45
*** Sazpaimon_ is now known as Sazpaimon		17:53
jonni	pawky: well I'm running PR1.1 as its less buggy than 1.0	18:00
*** gabriel9\|work has quit IRC		18:01
*** vladest has joined #harmattan		18:03
*** b3ll_ has joined #harmattan		18:09
*** b3ll has quit IRC		18:10
*** b3ll_ is now known as b3ll		18:10
*** vladest has quit IRC		18:14
*** vladest has joined #harmattan		18:15
*** javispedro has joined #harmattan		18:17
*** xruxa has quit IRC		18:18
*** miroslav has joined #harmattan		18:26
*** miroslav has joined #harmattan		18:26
*** zk8 has joined #harmattan		18:34
*** pinheiro has quit IRC		18:35
*** frinring has quit IRC		18:36
*** irctc957 has joined #harmattan		18:36
irctc957	Hi I'm tryind to read a GConf's key I'm looking at http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/ but I don't know what do I need to include in order to use libgq-gconf, could someone please help me	18:37
frals	iirc that header is missing in the qtsdk (or at least, did when i tried it a month or two back)	18:38
gri	missing packages can be downloaded with scratchbox and installed in qtsdk :)	18:39
frals	its actually just missing the .h, the .so is there (iirc)	18:39
*** zk8 has quit IRC		18:39
*** jluisn has quit IRC		18:40
gri	well this means the -dev package is missing in qtsdk I gues .. for my project I also need to install libcommhistory-dev from scratchbox since it's missing all the time in qtsdk	18:40
*** rm_work has joined #harmattan		18:41
*** rm_work has joined #harmattan		18:41
*** b3ll has quit IRC		18:41
irctc957	but If I'm using Qt SDK 1.4 with the harmattan configuration, can I use it?	18:42
gri	it's not missing	18:42
gri	gconfitem.h is in /usr/include	18:42
gri	/usr/include/gq	18:43
gri	sorry :)	18:43
irctc957	I'm not an expert I don't use scractchbox	18:43
irctc957	I have a project and I just use Qt Creator to create my application an a phone to test it	18:43
irctc957	I need to read a GConf key but don't know what do I have to include	18:43
gri	irctc957: PKGCONFIG += gq-gconf	18:45
gri	and include <gconfitem.h>	18:45
irctc957	thanks!	18:45
irctc957	thanks gri!	18:45
irctc957	so to use osso-wlan I have to add PKGCONFIG += osso-wlan ?	18:46
javispedro	what do you want to use osso-wlan for?	18:47
irctc957	I need to access WiFi networks to get their MAC addresses	18:47
irctc957	I thought that I need osso-wlan	18:47
gri	I'd suggest Qt Mobility for that	18:48
irctc957	and where I can read about that? I mean accessing WiFi with Qt Mobility?	18:49
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC		18:49
gri	http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qsystemnetworkinfo.html	18:50
irctc957	thank you so much :)	18:50
gri	not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for but it might help	18:51
*** b3ll has joined #harmattan		18:54
irctc957	and could someone help me to insert the result of a DB query to a QML ListModel? I have seen this http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/07/populating-selectiondialog-from-c.html but I can't get it working, I found a way of filling a ListModel, but it is a horrible one	18:54
ZogG_laptop	hmm qtnetwork =\	18:54
irctc957	I have label with it's text associated to an exported value from c++, then when the text changes I insert the value into the list model	18:55
irctc957	but that's very slow, I did it cause I don't know other way	18:55
irctc957	I know it's wrong but it works, now I want to do it the right way	18:55
gri	irctc957: I do think I know a better way to work around this than the blog suggests but had no time to try it yet	18:58
*** jreznik has quit IRC		18:59
gri	it should be possible to write a javascript method that replaces the model in the SelectionDialog	18:59
irctc957	ok, I will keep reading, thanks	19:01
*** messerting has joined #harmattan		19:03
jonni	irctc957: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/How_to_use_a_QSqlQueryModel_in_QML	19:04
gri	irctc957: btw. before accessing gconf directly, take a look at QValueSpace http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/publ-subs.html#gconf-layer	19:05
*** irctc957 has quit IRC		19:06
gri	hmpf	19:06
*** javispedro has quit IRC		19:07
*** jluisn has joined #harmattan		19:09
ZogG_laptop	anyone here can help with QNetworkReply ?	19:11
*** b3ll has quit IRC		19:11
gri	what's the problem?	19:19
*** NIN101 has joined #harmattan		19:19
messerting	Anyone knows how to configure wammu/gammu (formerly known as gnokii) with Nokia N9 over bluetooth?	19:20
ZogG_laptop	gri i think i solved it only if i could compile now as i get wierd error	19:21
gri	ZogG_laptop: "weird error" is not a exact description :)	19:22
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC		19:22
ZogG_laptop	ackaging Error: Command '/home/zogg/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 2	19:22
ZogG_laptop	missing "P" at the start	19:22
gri	that's the only error message you see?	19:23
ZogG_laptop	yes	19:23
gri	well, this is only a packaging error, nothing with the compiler. Did you modify "rules"?	19:24
ZogG_laptop	oh i checked output there were more	19:24
ZogG_laptop	found error	19:25
ZogG_laptop	thanks for tip	19:25
*** beford has joined #harmattan		19:27
*** crevetor has joined #harmattan		19:29
*** lamikr has quit IRC		19:30
corecode	hi	19:32
corecode	remind me what i have to do to my user account to allow ssh login?	19:32
corecode	it says permission denied, but i have a proper key installed	19:33
mgedmin	corecode, you have to unlock it	19:35
mgedmin	passwd -d user	19:36
corecode	thanks	19:36
mgedmin	this changes /etc/passwd to have a ! instead of a *, or maybe the other way around, in the password field	19:36
corecode	meh	19:37
corecode	didn't work	19:37
CissWit	corecode: are you trying to log in as root ?	19:38
corecode	no	19:38
corecode	user@	19:38
CissWit	what is your local network subnet ?	19:38
CissWit	well,	19:38
corecode	a /21	19:39
CissWit	by default only local network are allowed	19:39
corecode	where is that configured?	19:39
CissWit	/etc/ssh/sshd_config	19:40
corecode	OH	19:40
corecode	allowusers	19:40
corecode	oh jesus	19:40
ZogG_laptop	gri now i do have question	19:40
corecode	thanks	19:40
corecode	oh, what's the default developer password?	19:40
mgedmin	the ssh upstart job overrides some sshd options on the command line, and is protected by aegis, so you can't modify it	19:40
ZogG_laptop	first of all, i get reply from website but when i print it it's ECRT#%$T$E something like that	19:41
mgedmin	but still, I can ssh to my n9 as user@ with no problems after (1) dropping the authorized_keys file, (2) unlocking the 'user' account in /etc/passwd, and (3) making sure file permissions aren't too permissive	19:41
mgedmin	I'm not even sure (3) was necessary	19:41
*** vilva___ has joined #harmattan		19:41
corecode	i'm not on a 192.168.* network	19:41
corecode	that's it	19:41
corecode	was searching for a /etc/hosts.allow	19:41
CissWit	mgedmin: even if you are not on one of the subnets defined in the sshd_config ?	19:41
mgedmin	looking at it now...	19:42
mgedmin	oh!	19:42
mgedmin	yes, my network falls under 192.168/16	19:42
mgedmin	wow	19:42
mgedmin	TIL	19:42
corecode	how do you interact with upstart?	19:43
corecode	no stop/service	19:43
mgedmin	dunno, inictl maybe?	19:44
mgedmin	/sbin/start, /sbin/stop exist	19:44
mgedmin	they're not in the default user's $PATH	19:44
corecode	ah works now	19:45
corecode	thanks	19:45
corecode	so what's the password for developer?	19:45
CissWit	what do you mean ? the default root password ?	19:46
corecode	no	19:46
mgedmin	whenever you run the SDK Connectivity Tool, it'll set a random password and tell you what it is	19:46
corecode	the account "developer"	19:46
corecode	ah	19:46
corecode	ok	19:46
mgedmin	the Qt SDK then has wizards to set up ssh keys for the developer@ account etc.	19:47
CissWit	there's no password defined corecode	19:47
CissWit	by default at least	19:47
ZogG_laptop	damn	19:48
corecode	hm	19:49
corecode	there was one set	19:49
CissWit	i wonder why there's no /etc/shadow and only the old school /etc/passwd on the n9	19:50
corecode	no multiuser system	19:50
CissWit	and ?	19:51
corecode	aegis protection?	19:51
corecode	dunno	19:51
*** Haxad has joined #harmattan		19:51
*** Haxad has quit IRC		19:55
gri	ZogG_laptop: sorry, I was on the phone	19:56
gri	corecode: If you use the usb networking there's not much to change on the ip addresses	19:58
*** messerting has quit IRC		20:01
*** lizardo_ has joined #harmattan		20:02
*** lizardo has quit IRC		20:02
*** tarantism has joined #harmattan		20:04
*** ajalkane has joined #harmattan		20:05
ajalkane	All hail, and bow before, MeeGo Harmattan. Amen.	20:06
*** pinheiro has joined #harmattan		20:06
*** fuz_ has quit IRC		20:08
*** lardman\|home has joined #harmattan		20:09
*** fuz_ has joined #harmattan		20:13
*** vilva___ has quit IRC		20:17
*** adlan has quit IRC		20:19
ZogG_laptop	gri can i share part of code and maybe you may help	20:20
gri	sure, paste it at some site	20:21
*** lizardo_ is now known as lizardo		20:21
ZogG_laptop	gri: http://dpaste.org/PGf77/	20:22
gri	ZogG_laptop: I guess "response" is empty?	20:24
gri	also the things you put into upload_info should be part of the http header, not of your post data	20:24
gri	atleast the content-disposition and type	20:25
gri	QNetworkAccessManager::post() returns immediately	20:26
gri	to read the data the webserver replies, you have to connect to the finished() signal of QNetworkReply	20:26
gri	inside that you have the check whether an error occurred or if not, you can call readAll(). You also have to deleteLater() the QNetworkReply inside of that slot	20:27
gri	http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qnetworkrequest.html#setHeader might be a hint, too	20:28
gri	as well as QNetworkRequest::setRawHeader	20:28
ZogG_laptop	i saw setRawHeader in example MohammadAG gave me	20:28
ZogG_laptop	gri i need to post 2 things and than get reply i did it with curl	20:29
gri	well the Qt network functions are asynchronous	20:31
gri	and curl is synchronous as far as I know	20:31
gri	so you need a slot to know when you data is received	20:31
gri	you can also trick this but I would not recommend that	20:32
gri	QNetworkReply* reply = m_manager->post(...); QEventLoop loop; connect(reply, SIGNAL(finished()), &loop, SLOT(quit())); QString response = reply->readAll(); ...	20:33
gri	upts, loop.exe() is missing after the connect call	20:33
gri	damn	20:33
gri	loop.exec()	20:33
*** tbf has quit IRC		20:40
*** tbf has joined #harmattan		20:41
*** stroughtonsmith has quit IRC		20:43
Sazpaimon	does the usb cover issue only affect a certain number of devices	20:44
Sazpaimon	I'd like to think my usb cover has been treated not so well, yet it's still straight and rigid	20:44
*** tbf has quit IRC		20:47
*** vilva___ has joined #harmattan		20:48
*** harbaum has joined #harmattan		20:49
*** vilva____ has joined #harmattan		20:53
*** vilva___ has quit IRC		20:54
ZogG_laptop	gri trying to play with slots	20:54
ZogG_laptop	tried to avoid it and leave it for after =)	20:56
*** zk8 has joined #harmattan		21:00
ZogG_laptop	gri still here?	21:02
gri	yes	21:02
ZogG_laptop	i used in upload.h in signals void serviceRequestFinished(QNetworkReply* reply);	21:03
*** xarcass has joined #harmattan		21:04
ZogG_laptop	than i used connect(networkManager, SIGNAL(finished(QNetworkReply)), this, SLOT(serviceRequestFinished(QNetworkReply))); networkManager->post(QNetworkRequest(url), postData);	21:04
gri	show me the code and then a description	21:05
gri	that's better as guessing from 2 lines of code	21:05
*** vilva____ has quit IRC		21:07
*** xarcass has quit IRC		21:13
MohammadAG	lardman, lardman\|home there?	21:16
MohammadAG	Don't use QEventLoop, unless you're in another thread that will hang the UI	21:17
*** daniel_o has joined #harmattan		21:23
lardman\|home	hey MohammadAG	21:35
*** splyysh has joined #harmattan		21:41
MohammadAG	lardman\|home, wanted to know how to start drive-qml, found it in #harmattan logs :)	21:43
*** splyysh has quit IRC		21:43
lardman\|home	oh right, not sure I'd have known about that anyway tbh	21:43
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: sup	21:48
MohammadAG	lardman\|home, you should, you asked me about it and I gave you an answer some months ago afaik :P	21:48
MohammadAG	right, facebook checkins integrate with Nokia Maps and Nokia Drive	21:49
MohammadAG	you can use facebook checkins to get directions to nearby places	21:49
lardman\|home	MohammadAG: ah, fair enough :)	21:49
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: the led config is in /etc/mce.ini and you can turn them on	21:49
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: no need for app	21:49
*** Venemo has joined #harmattan		21:50
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, huh?	21:50
MohammadAG	MTF getting on my nerves	21:52
*** beford_nnemp has joined #harmattan		21:53
*** beford_nnemp is now known as beford_nemo		21:54
ZogG_laptop	MTF?	21:54
ZogG_laptop	Venemo: say hi to djzapi	21:54
Venemo	ZogG_laptop, ok, I will	21:54
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: there are leds setting try to set screenon to 4	21:55
MohammadAG	MeeGoTouch	21:55
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, your point?	21:55
MohammadAG	the apps don't activate the LEDs	21:55
ZogG_laptop	than it MFT	21:55
MohammadAG	mce isn't the problem, the apps are	21:55
ZogG_laptop	MeegoFuckingTouch	21:55
ZogG_laptop	MohammadAG: it has common setting for buildin patterns	21:56
MohammadAG	MeeGoTouchFramework	21:56
jonni	the point is that you can activate the leds without mft	21:56
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop, you're missing the point	21:56
MohammadAG	fenix, phone app, etc don't request the LEDs be activated	21:56
MohammadAG	my app monitors events added, and fires a DBus request to mce to light up the LED	21:56
MohammadAG	k, my main problems with OMP are going to be	21:57
DocScrutinizer	eh?	21:57
MohammadAG	Fast scroll, I don't get how it's done with MTF and I'm not going to use QML	21:57
MohammadAG	the random albums on the front page, someone needs to find me the algo	21:57
MohammadAG	and finally, the animation when sliding from one album to the next	21:57
MohammadAG	other than that, OMP seems easy	21:58
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: yep, and AIUI paegis is killing this dbus msg to MCE, so LED isn't controllable this way, unless you use develsh or otherwise escalate permissions	21:58
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, yes, I'm aware of that since I made led-event-notifier with my first N950 :P	21:59
DocScrutinizer	yes	21:59
MohammadAG	ZogG_laptop otoh thinks it's an mce issue	21:59
DocScrutinizer	I guess it's friggin irrelevant if MFT or printf() is sending that dbus cmd	21:59
DocScrutinizer	MTF	22:00
*** zk8 has quit IRC		22:00
MohammadAG	ooh, eBuddy XMS	22:01
MohammadAG	that wasn't expected	22:01
MohammadAG	sucks compared to the iOS/Android versions, as expected	22:01
MohammadAG	looks Harmattany, ++ for the effort	22:01
*** thp has quit IRC		22:06
beford_nemo	i joined to the beta but havnt received it	22:10
jonni	DocScrutinizer: cant you just bypass everything and control led just by accessing the /dev/i2c-1 device yourself, no need to any permissions if you dont use the API's ;)	22:11
DocScrutinizer	was possible if we'd stop mce ;-P	22:12
*** Sazpaimon has quit IRC		22:12
*** Sazpaimon has joined #harmattan		22:12
DocScrutinizer	fcam on fremantle did that, and introduced quite some big trouble	22:13
DocScrutinizer	(did direct I2C, not did stop mce)	22:13
MohammadAG	beford_nemo, someone posted it on tmo	22:14
DocScrutinizer	or maybe fcam accessed the lp5523 interface	22:14
jonni	ah yes maybe not a good idea. Lets see if I have someday time to play with mce to see if there is some nice way to do it :)	22:14
DocScrutinizer	effect is the same though: collision, "-EAGAIN"	22:14
MohammadAG	isn't i2c blocked by aegis anyway?	22:15
*** CepiPerez has quit IRC		22:15
DocScrutinizer	seems the dev isn't	22:16
DocScrutinizer	I've not checked, but according to what I recall regarding i2cget etc it actually acce4ssable under develsh	22:16
DocScrutinizer	but I2C blocked by LP5523/$wahtever kernel driver anyway, and that one is occupied by mce	22:18
DocScrutinizer	same situations as with bme and bq27200	22:18
*** adlan has joined #harmattan		22:20
*** harbaum has quit IRC		22:23
*** arcean has joined #harmattan		22:24
*** beford_nemo has quit IRC		22:27
*** arcean has quit IRC		22:29
*** arcean has joined #harmattan		22:29
*** Arkenoi has joined #harmattan		22:31
* Arkenoi tries to find "save" button in the shortcuts app. seems there is none.		22:32
*** beford has quit IRC		22:35
*** arcean has quit IRC		22:36
*** miroslav has quit IRC		22:36
RST38h	hehe	22:36
*** arcean has joined #harmattan		22:42
*** javispedro has joined #harmattan		22:43
RST38h	evening, javispedro	22:44
javispedro	evening	22:44
RST38h	Debian and Ubuntu removing oracle/sun jvm packages	22:45
*** clbr has quit IRC		22:45
javispedro	hah, another setback to oracle's world domination plan.	22:46
RST38h	you mean, another small step for oracle's self destruction plan?	22:46
javispedro	that too	22:47
* RST38h pleads to his hero, his dark knight, Larry Ellison, to kill Dalvik by lawyers		22:48
gri	my java professor will be sad to hear that :D	22:48
RST38h	gri:Tell him he can still move to India and code in Java!	22:48
kimju	well, next you see eveyone lining up to buy oracle's own distro.. (yeah, right..)	22:48
RST38h	AFAIK, nobody but legacy users is lining up to buy anything from Oracle	22:49
javispedro	depends on whether it is a "java professor" or one of Oracle's Knights indoctrinated in Shiny Sun Java.	22:49
RST38h	I might be wrong of course	22:49
yipdw	RST38h: those legacy users shell out asstons of money, though	22:49
* yipdw works for one		22:49
RST38h	yipdw: Of course. But they are deadend.	22:49
gri	javispedro: a professor that should teach programming but actually only teaches how java does the things and forgets about all other languages	22:49
RST38h	gri: Briefcase ->Airport ->India	22:50
yipdw	RST38h: Oracle, maybe, but migration between databases is such a difficult task that I think Oracle can just coast on that	22:50
RST38h	yipdw: I know people who do DB migration for living	22:50
yipdw	RST38h: we have clinical records stored in Oracle, so if the people you know can handle that	22:51
yipdw	:P	22:51
RST38h	yipdw: should not be different from any other relational data	22:51
RST38h	yipdw: can be migrated, the main problem going to be the server-side automation that is Oracle specific	22:51
yipdw	it's not, but the scope of it is pretty big, and there's many applications that rely on the server-side automation	22:52
yipdw	(there is a lot of that)	22:52
yipdw	just offering one anecdote	22:52
RST38h	yeah, that is why legacy users pay contractors so much money to do migration ;)	22:52
yipdw	we do all new work in PostgreSQL nowadays	22:52
yipdw	RST38h: yeah. I guess for now the costs and risks of migration just haven't outweighed the cost of paying Oracle	22:53
yipdw	dunno, though, I'm not the Oracle DBA	22:53
*** arcean has quit IRC		22:53
* RST38h isn'teither, but developed for both Postgress and Oracle		22:54
* javispedro has only seen Informix from the Big DBs. And once		22:54
RST38h	Postrgres kinda sucks performance wise =(	22:54
yipdw	depends on what your application's audience is, I guess	22:55
yipdw	we haven't had problems with performance of the database	22:55
yipdw	if we need really fast read/writes in some part of an application then that part usually gets retargeted to use Redis or something	22:56
DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: moo	22:56
javispedro	mooo	22:56
MohammadAG	nooooo	22:56
MohammadAG	no JVM packages in my Ubuntuz?	22:56
javispedro	heya MohammadAG	22:56
DocScrutinizer51	gooooooooo	22:56
RST38h	yipdw: it is totally possibly we simply had an old, slow server	22:56
mgedmin	openjdk doesn't cut it for you, MohammadAG?	22:57
yipdw	RST38h: yeah, possibly	22:57
MohammadAG	how will my Ubuntu function without the Javas?!	22:57
MohammadAG	hey javispedro	22:57
RST38h	Mohammad: In His infinite wisdom, Larry Ellison has revoked Sun's original license for redistributing binary packages with Linux	22:57
javispedro	RST38h: ....	22:57
RST38h	Which is no big deal, really. Who uses Java, anyway?	22:58
javispedro	RST38h: so, you were completely right re their self-destruction plan.	22:58
yipdw	RST38h: I thought the openjdk packages were still going to remain	22:58
javispedro	Elop, Apotheker and Ellison should go and create a fight club or something.	22:58
*** crevetor has quit IRC		22:58
DocScrutinizer51	well after this job I could hire everywhere, with winXP and Office crap, and ClearCase and eclipse and crosscompiling and LTE stack and security and... - alas I'll probably end in a sanatory	22:59
MohammadAG	what about Ballmer?	22:59
yipdw	I guess Ballmer is a bit like Robert Paulson	22:59
RST38h	javispedro: As far as arrogance goes, Elop has nothing against Larry	23:00
RST38h	Mohammad: Ballmer will eat the loser.	23:00
DocScrutinizer51	developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer developer	23:00
DocScrutinizer51	developer developer developer developer developer developer developer	23:00
DocScrutinizer51	oops keyrepeat was faster than I thought :-)	23:01
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC		23:01
*** arcean has joined #harmattan		23:01
MohammadAG	sigh	23:02
MohammadAG	when will Nokia sue israel for their N950	23:02
MohammadAG	that's one useful device stuck for no reason	23:02
*** briglia has joined #harmattan		23:02
DocScrutinizer51	what's the last news regarding that, MohammadAG ?	23:02
Venemo	MohammadAG, you still haven't got it?	23:03
MohammadAG	Venemo, I got the 3rd device shipped to me	23:03
MohammadAG	the 2nd one is still in customs	23:03
MohammadAG	Nokia claimed it, and it's still in customs	23:03
DocScrutinizer51	(btw N950 ?= useful)	23:03
MohammadAG	~Israel-sucks	23:03
infobot	israel-sucks is probably http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A	23:03
Venemo	MohammadAG, so you at least have an N950? :)	23:03
MohammadAG	Venemo, yes, but the fact there's another one in Israel without an owner annoys me	23:03
Venemo	MohammadAG, understandably	23:03
javispedro	oh, it probably has an owner by now...	23:04
Venemo	oh btw. I've ordered a Lumia 800 developer gift from them :)	23:04
MohammadAG	yeah, me too	23:04
MohammadAG	still new order though	23:04
javispedro	anyone from the #n950club hasn't?	23:04
javispedro	were so loyal...	23:04
MohammadAG	javispedro, no, they actually called me wanting me to pay for the "parking" place it's taking	23:04
MohammadAG	funny they call it parking, I love how good Israeli companies' english is	23:05
javispedro	MohammadAG: Briefcase ->Airport ->India	23:05
Venemo	javispedro, well, I develop for WP7 too anyway, so it'll be useful to me.	23:05
lizardo	javispedro, /me not, because I wasn't there :) and I didn't bother to ask them politely	23:05
MohammadAG	anyone's gift shipped yet?	23:05
MohammadAG	I can't wait to give the device away!	23:05
Venemo	javispedro, I haven't decided whether to replace the N950 with the 800 as a day-to-day device	23:05
MohammadAG	poor victim receiving it	23:05
javispedro	MohammadAG: ah, they don't know where you live iirc. So no need for briefcase :)	23:05
javispedro	Venemo: vade retro!	23:06
Venemo	javispedro, but exploiting an evil company for a free device is always the right thing to do anyway :D :D	23:06
MohammadAG	Venemo, think about it like this	23:06
MohammadAG	Do you like having a fake N9	23:06
MohammadAG	or a device with NOT FOR SALE - DEVELOPER DEVICE on it	23:06
Venemo	MohammadAG, that's exactly what I'm talkin about!!!	23:06
MohammadAG	in other news, WP7 has whatsapp	23:06
MohammadAG	so does my iPhone	23:06
MohammadAG	I'll probably keep the 800 for tinkering around or when all my batteries run out	23:07
MohammadAG	damn, if it was an iPhone 5 prototype I could trade it for a car	23:07
lizardo	javispedro, I suppose it was going to appear here : https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/DDP but maybe then went out of stock :)	23:08
javispedro	lizardo: ouch, I thought they had quite a lot of them	23:09
Venemo	MohammadAG :D :D :D	23:09
javispedro	lizardo: (note the note in the black red box has been there for ages, so it's not related to the lumia, afaik).	23:09
Venemo	MohammadAG, well, if they fix its battery issue, the 800 won't be as bad. methinks.	23:09
MohammadAG	512MBs of RAM	23:09
MohammadAG	and yeah, Windows	23:10
Venemo	MohammadAG, only problem with both N9 and 800 is that they have a SMALL screen compared to da N950...	23:10
*** adlan has quit IRC		23:10
lizardo	javispedro, anyway, mine has empty list. I hope someone manages to install Linux on it, so I can buy it next year (when it arrives here) :)	23:10
DocScrutinizer51	hooker800 just needs good vibrator	23:10
javispedro	lizardo: by next year you can probably get good prices on second hand n9s =)	23:11
javispedro	hopefully	23:11
DocScrutinizer51	javispedro: can you provide the accurate english term for lumia?	23:12
lizardo	javispedro, sure, but I was too anxious and end up buying one... anyway, it has been years since I last bought my own phone, so it was a good xmas gift to myself	23:12
DocScrutinizer51	not the best known one	23:12
lizardo	javispedro, got it yesterday :) they are actually selling fairly well here, but people complain a lot about the price selling locally	23:13
javispedro	DocScrutinizer51: remember that as per our discussion I've never heard "that" meaning, but rather lively	23:13
DocScrutinizer51	ouch, N9 for xmess gift - what a bummer	23:13
javispedro	lizardo: hehe, congrats	23:14
javispedro	DocScrutinizer51: the official dic does use the "best known one" term.	23:14
*** arcean_ has joined #harmattan		23:14
MohammadAG	add an "n" and it's a Chevrolet Lumina	23:15
*** arcean has quit IRC		23:15
Venemo	:D	23:15
*** arcean_ has quit IRC		23:15
MohammadAG	take out mi, and it's a programming language	23:15
*** ajalkane has quit IRC		23:16
*** etrunko has quit IRC		23:17
DocScrutinizer51	iluma	23:18
MohammadAG	Lots of Users Missing In Action is the best I could come up with for LUMIA	23:18
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: great	23:19
DocScrutinizer51	:-D	23:19
*** rzr has joined #harmattan		23:21
*** rzr is now known as RzR		23:21
*** adlan has joined #harmattan		23:31
*** arcean has joined #harmattan		23:32
*** Aranel has quit IRC		23:32
*** Guest64304 has joined #harmattan		23:33
*** Guest64304 is now known as Aranel		23:34
*** Aranel has quit IRC		23:34
*** Aranel has joined #harmattan		23:34
*** RzR has quit IRC		23:35
*** briglia has quit IRC		23:36
* javispedro grumbles		23:41
javispedro	2 month long RMA from ASUS and the story still continues	23:42
*** niqt has joined #harmattan		23:43
*** arcean has quit IRC		23:44
ieatlint	so everyone who ordered the lumia is still "new order" in ddp?	23:50
javispedro	someone said the changes for shipments to start before christmas were "low"	23:51
*** jluisn has quit IRC		23:51
javispedro	*chances	23:51
ieatlint	that sucks, i originally read shipments are supposed to start 12/14	23:51
javispedro	(someone = http://greg-roberts.com/?p=165 )	23:51
ieatlint	they're shipping it to my house, but i'll only be there between xmas and new year :(	23:52
*** BrettQ has quit IRC		23:53
*** niwakame\|afk is now known as niwakame\|away		23:54
kimju	iirc the order form said that it will ship when they have stock, estimated on or after dec 14.	23:57
ieatlint	yes, that sounds right	23:57

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!