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| ZogG_laptop | anyone using any extrenal power chargers batteries? i mean the pocket ones, not the AC-wall chargers | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody knows of thumb related silicon errata in OMAP3430? | 01:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: hey | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey ZogG_laptop | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen konttori | 01:12 |
| infobot | konttori <~konttori@net-57.nrpn.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 185d 15h 38m 54s ago, saying: 'genius6'. | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen konttori_work | 01:12 |
| infobot | konttori_work <~anonymous@net-14.nrpn.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 91d 14h 44m 53s ago, saying: 'morning'. | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen konttori_home | 01:12 |
| infobot | konttori_home <~konttori@85-156-146-239.elisa-mobile.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 153d 1h 40m 40s ago, saying: 'ok, font went in now. Time to go to bed! Night all!'. | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen konttori_office | 01:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'konttori_office' | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sucks | 01:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 01:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~seen kontorri_toilet | 01:13 |
| infobot | ZogG_laptop: i haven't seen 'kontorri_toilet' | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | did I already mention that changing your nick frequently is almost as bad as crossposting or away-notifications? :-( | 01:14 |
| daniel_o | :D | 01:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i do noot change my nickname | 01:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have one account with several nicknames registered to it | 01:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | one for PC, one for laptop, one for phone and one for work | 01:15 |
| yipdw | one account to bring them all and in the darkness bind them | 01:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | acoount is the same so if bot is not stupid enuf he would tell you what acc i did use but will now i'm still ZogG | 01:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw DocScrutinizer where are your 51 ending account ? i loved it | 01:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | or was it diff number | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: see DocScrutinizer51 | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using two aaccounts as Konversation doesn't play nice with ZNC and xchat | 01:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i don't have znc = | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw ~seen seems to not work as expected on infobot: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-09-27.log.html#t2011-09-27T10:29:48 >>*** konttori_work has joined #maemo << vs >> <infobot> konttori_work <~anonymous@net-14.nrpn.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 91d 14h 44m 53s ago, saying: 'morning'.<< - obviously joining doesn't count as "seen" for infobot | 01:37 |
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| deram | joining could be something automatic, and not result of the person being active | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | See recent unfortunate example. | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, but "seen" isn't exactly identical to "active" | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen _MeeGoBot_ | 01:53 |
| infobot | _meegobot_ is currently on #harmattan (2d 9h 16m 58s) #meego (2d 9h 16m 58s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1d 17h 55m 26s, last said: 'qgil was last seen 9 weeks, 40 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying '* qgil too' in #meego.'. | 01:53 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | infobot: ok | 01:53 |
| infobot | fine | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ROTFL | 01:53 |
| daniel_o | xD | 01:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 02:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | bot's are talking | 02:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~talk to _MeeGoBot_ | 02:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | =( | 02:04 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:30 |
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| decibyte | i've installed sshfs from <https://build.pub.meego.com/package/repositories?package=sshfs-fuse&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan> (and fuse-utils from <http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/f/fuse/>). now, when i try to mount something i get: "fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted". even as root. i read something about user should be in the group called "fuse". this didn' exist, i created it added both user an | 08:33 |
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| decibyte | i _do_ get to authenticate at the remove machine. seems like it partially works. | 08:51 |
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| decibyte | could it somehow be related to the famous aegis? | 09:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | morning | 09:17 |
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| hiemanshu | decibyte: Operation not permitted is most likely aegis | 09:38 |
| decibyte | hiemanshu: okay. thanks. any idea what i should do to make it work? | 09:42 |
| decibyte | (yes, i am a pretty noobish when it comes to this) | 09:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: ping | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | ? | 09:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: where does ebuild installs qt-creator? | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | … | 09:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh, found it =) | 09:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just trying to use awesome wm | 09:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | and thought it would be Qt-creator or qt-creator, but it's qtcreator =) | 09:56 |
| luke-jr | awesome wm doesn't sound so awesome | 09:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: matter of time | 09:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | i actually starting to like it | 09:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: hate KDE as well as gnome, like xfce4 but want something lighter | 09:57 |
| hiemanshu | XMonad is pretty nice too | 09:57 |
| luke-jr | I don't especially like where KDE is going, but until someone comes up with a viable alternative… | 09:57 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you cannot hate KDE :P | 10:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: there are few qt wms des, not much but still | 10:03 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: why wouldn't i hate it | 10:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 10:04 |
| luke-jr | [ 52%] Building CXX object kio/CMakeFiles/kio.dir/kio/kdynamicjobtracker.o | 10:04 |
| djszapi | because it is cool :P :P | 10:04 |
| luke-jr | looks like kdelibs will take 2 days to build on N900 | 10:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: not really | 10:04 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: it takes me 4-6 hours in scratchbox/c-obs to build kdelibs | 10:04 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: k, but that's not on the N900 | 10:05 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: I was just referring to that, kdelibs is a very big project | 10:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha slonopotamus has gentoo on n900 or was it n810 =) | 10:05 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: slono is just N800 | 10:05 |
| luke-jr | I'm the only Gentoo/N900 dev atm | 10:05 |
| hiemanshu | why would anyone want Gentoo on N900? | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | (also Gentoo/N810) | 10:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it's too biig and not modular, that's why i hate gnome as well. i hate both | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | hiemanshu: because it's the most viable OS choice at this point | 10:06 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you will love KDE Frameworks then | 10:06 |
| hiemanshu | luke-jr: whats wrong with Maemo + CSSU? | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | hiemanshu: it has no potential. | 10:06 |
| djszapi | because we decided this summer in Switzerland with many folks to split up kdelibs into many smaller modules. | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | hiemanshu: Maemo is too closed. | 10:06 |
| hiemanshu | luke-jr: Nemo? | 10:07 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: nice | 10:07 |
| djszapi | see the "frameworks" branch in kdelibs | 10:07 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: can Akonadi die too? please? | 10:07 |
| djszapi | akonadi is a core part of kde pim | 10:07 |
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| djszapi | so the answer is a definite no for now. | 10:07 |
| luke-jr | Akonadi is the worst idea anyone ever had | 10:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i want small kde console kde app, it would pull whole kdelibs and other stuff with it | 10:08 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: he says not in the future :P | 10:08 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you will love the kde frameworks, there is no KDE5 | 10:08 |
| djszapi | it is a complete restructure | 10:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: so it would thousand ppackages now depending on eachother =0 | 10:08 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: or at least, maybe rework Akonadi in a sane manner? :P | 10:08 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: of course no. | 10:09 |
| luke-jr | ie, I don't want a freaking MySQL server on my N900 just for my address book | 10:09 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: will KDE now come with aegis as a part of the libs? | 10:09 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 10:09 | |
| ZogG_laptop | and you would play with all flags and conflicts when you don't use kde | 10:09 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: you can use sqlite imho, that is what the pim guys do in kontact iirc | 10:09 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: last I checked, sqlite was experimental, unsupported, and broken | 10:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: that's why there are sqllite | 10:09 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: and most annoying of all, KAddressBook does not work *at all* since it got switched to Akonadi | 10:09 |
| luke-jr | sqlite support in akonadi* | 10:10 |
| djszapi | well, many people do not like akonadi, many people do not like plasma. Many do. | 10:10 |
| djszapi | it is all about taste :) | 10:10 |
| djszapi | you cannot eliminate it because of your taste if many others would like to have it. | 10:10 |
| luke-jr | if Akonadi worked and didn't require MySQL, maybe it wouldn't be so hated | 10:11 |
| djszapi | it is not any hated, it is just like as usual about softwares, taste and so forth | 10:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's all about people that don't care about their computer | 10:11 |
| luke-jr | I fear KDE 4.7 because I cannot afford to lose KMail like I lost KAddressBook | 10:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | they install kde as kde and not different packages | 10:11 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: "doesn't work" is not taste. | 10:11 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: incorrect, I have 20-30 kde libs packages for Harmattan | 10:12 |
| djszapi | (or maybe more?) | 10:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | as gentoo user i even watch compile output time to time | 10:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | though they turned it off by default =) | 10:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it's only phone, and on computer it would be 200-300? | 10:12 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: no, it is almost the same on debian | 10:13 |
| djszapi | +2 packges maybe | 10:13 |
| djszapi | same on ubuntu, kubuntu etc | 10:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: lies =) | 10:13 |
| * luke-jr opens KAddressBook: yep, still none of my contacts | 10:13 | |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: no, it is not lies, we designed it together with kde debian developers. | 10:13 |
| djszapi | when I started to do it for harmattan, but anyway, you can check out yourself... | 10:14 |
| luke-jr | did Debian de-modularize KDE? :o | 10:14 |
| djszapi | of course not. | 10:15 |
| djszapi | moreover, they added some kde packaging tools and dynamic library checking packages for convenience. <3 those. | 10:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: qt is nice, but not kde | 10:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and i think kde should be on desktop who likes it | 10:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | but somethings can't be ported to phone | 10:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but need to be rewritten | 10:18 |
| luke-jr | I think kdelibs shouldn't take 2 days to compile on N900. XD | 10:18 |
| luke-jr | (and that's *with* distcc) | 10:18 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: kde is already ported to various phones... | 10:19 |
| djszapi | kde was available on phones way long ago meego has ever existed. | 10:19 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: not usable, though | 10:19 |
| luke-jr | I could barely get KDE to load in the N810's 128 MB RAM | 10:20 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: at least the feedback shows differently, and comment on the relevant posts. | 10:20 |
| djszapi | and I am happy about that :) | 10:20 |
| luke-jr | let alone run any apps on top of that | 10:20 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: I fail to see why. | 10:21 |
| luke-jr | hopefully it's better now, with N900 having 256 MB RAM, and knotify not eating a ton of memory | 10:21 |
| djszapi | core kdelibs is way much smaller than Qt gui stuff. | 10:21 |
| djszapi | the shared library, that is | 10:22 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: hard to measure by library | 10:22 |
| djszapi | the shared library is 2.7 MB | 10:22 |
| djszapi | what is hard to load in that ? | 10:22 |
| luke-jr | I just know "startkde" used up all 128 MB | 10:22 |
| djszapi | Qt gui shared library is about 11-14 MB | 10:22 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: I think what you refuse is that, kde is not just a desktop | 10:23 |
| luke-jr | .. | 10:23 |
| luke-jr | I refuse to play name games. | 10:23 |
| djszapi | in principle, plasma is one kde project of the many. | 10:24 |
| djszapi | we do not need to run plasma to have KDE apps on Harmattan, Android, ratposion or wherever. | 10:24 |
| luke-jr | I said KDE, not KDE apps. | 10:25 |
| djszapi | you could check out some mission statement on youtube, where people, like Aaron Seigo, are describing what KDE is nowadays. | 10:26 |
| djszapi | I agree about that plasma is incapable on various platforms in comparison what it could be. | 10:28 |
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| djszapi | but plasma is not the only KDE project, you can choose what you like. | 10:28 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: so is it easy to port gentoo to phones ? I had been using it for many years previously. | 10:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: there was one guy who ported to old win mobile palm gentoo =) | 10:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | gnome-base/gnome-menus-3.2.0.1[python], required by gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.2.2, required by net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth-3.2.1, required by gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.9.2.0[bluetooth] | 10:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: ^ that's why i don't like them | 10:40 |
| unreal- | mmmm, i've got an interesting bug: my n9 doesn't want to display new emails on the notification screen or display the "@" on the lock screen... anyone have (fixed?) that bug? | 10:41 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what would you do with such a big projects ? | 10:41 |
| djszapi | in any case, I am trying to make the plasmaless kde mobile way to have some manpower here too. If you are interested in such things, here is my blog: http://lpapp.blogspot.com/ | 10:42 |
| cos^ | is there a way to get rid of facebook events in the feed page? | 10:48 |
| cos^ | i'd like to have the account enabled, but don't want 200 useless fb events in the feed | 10:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i dunno, xfce4 is pretty good and has less problem with everything depending on everything | 10:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: you should try one of those on gentoo to understand | 10:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | #required by x11-libs/gtk+-2.24.8-r1, required by net-dialup/ppp-2.4.5-r2[gtk], required by net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.2.0[ppp], required by net-libs/libsocialweb-0.25.20[networkmanager], required by gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.2.2[socialweb], required by net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth-3.2.1, required by gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.9.2.0[bluetooth], required by @selected, required by @world (argument) | 10:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | djszapi: ^ why would i need social things and gnome-control center for that? | 10:53 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey guys :) | 10:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, happy birthday! :) | 10:56 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N950: thanks :) | 10:58 |
| djszapi | party tonight :P | 10:58 |
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| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I thought so :P | 11:00 |
| djszapi | ZogG: social things and gnome-control center for what ? | 11:01 |
| djszapi | I do not actually know other way around. That is pretty much how qt is organized as well. You need qtcore for many things. | 11:01 |
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| qronic | Kaadlajk, hi, haven't you got any response about sp-oops-extract availablity? | 11:17 |
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| ZogG | djszapi i just want nm-applet | 11:20 |
| ZogG | and this what it pulls | 11:21 |
| ZogG | djszapi qt-core is ok, but kdelibs and kde apps just for some qt app that i want to use not as kde part is sick | 11:21 |
| ZogG | Venemo_N950, hey dude | 11:21 |
| ZogG | djszapi happy bday man =) | 11:22 |
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| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: why not ? Solid is Qt only, and after kde frameworks, you can use it as if it was the part of the qt-project, a library for installation. That is the idea behind the KDE Frameworks. How would you do it better ? Thanks for the wish :) | 11:24 |
| djszapi | so the problem is that: you need X, but you do not wanna install more. That will be solved by KDE Frameworks. What is missing ? | 11:24 |
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| khertan | Morning | 11:36 |
| khertan | maybe someone could say me if there is differences in qml in n9 and n950 ? | 11:36 |
| khertan | while KhtEditor is running on n950 | 11:36 |
| khertan | it doesn't on n9 | 11:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: hey buddy | 11:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: give me url to check it | 11:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean to install and to try to run to see output if you want | 11:38 |
| djszapi | khertan: same firmware, what does not run precisely ? | 11:38 |
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| Piru_ | completely off topic: telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu | 11:58 |
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| khertan | ZogG_laptop, http://gitorious.org/khteditor branch qml | 11:59 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, i already got output | 11:59 |
| khertan | from some n9 user | 11:59 |
| khertan | but nothing interesting | 11:59 |
| khertan | djszapi, this is the problem ... it s difficult to know what didn't run with qml | 12:00 |
| djszapi | khertan: do you use 1.0 or 1.1 include ? | 12:00 |
| khertan | 1.1 | 12:01 |
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| djszapi | khertan: 1.1 not available in public... | 12:02 |
| djszapi | hence, I had to use 1.0 as well | 12:02 |
| khertan | ? | 12:02 |
| djszapi | khertan: I did not ask for QtQuick version | 12:02 |
| khertan | We are talking of QtQuick 1.1 ? | 12:02 |
| phunguy | anyone have any idea why the meego components aren't showing up in qt creator? I'm trying to develop the UI for a new program but no buttons, etc are listed in the library | 12:02 |
| khertan | you mean nokia component 1.0 | 12:03 |
| phunguy | (qt quick app) | 12:03 |
| djszapi | indeed | 12:03 |
| khertan | yep i use 1.0 | 12:03 |
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| djszapi | khertan: well, hard to say without the console output :P | 12:04 |
| khertan | djszapi, the problem seems related to including the QTextEdit in the QGraphicProxyWidget | 12:04 |
| djszapi | white screen, or something else ? | 12:04 |
| khertan | djszapi, nothing interesting in console | 12:04 |
| khertan | just app close | 12:04 |
| khertan | not even a segfault | 12:04 |
| djszapi | no qml error ? | 12:04 |
| khertan | nope | 12:04 |
| khertan | nothing | 12:04 |
| khertan | nada | 12:04 |
| djszapi | close before showing up the ui ? | 12:04 |
| khertan | nope just on some feature | 12:05 |
| khertan | display Rectangle and Image works :) | 12:05 |
| djszapi | sounds like you might wanna debug it | 12:05 |
| djszapi | put as many console logging into qml as possible. | 12:05 |
| khertan | anyway ... i ll probably let this qml version of KhtEditor die | 12:05 |
| djszapi | same with the cpp | 12:05 |
| khertan | and will rewrite it with an other frameworks | 12:06 |
| khertan | there is also many glitches with the vkb that i can't resolve | 12:06 |
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| khertan | djszapi, or maybe did you see a better solution to do text syntax highlighting in qml without including a QPlainTextEdit in a QGraphicProxyWidget ? | 12:08 |
| hiemanshu | nokia developer website has fail captcha, I just spent 5 mins getting a readable image :/ | 12:09 |
| matrixx | hiemanshu: I had the same problem | 12:14 |
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| matrixx | every time some thingie was covering one of the symbols | 12:14 |
| phunguy | http://static.inky.ws/image/945/image.jpg > see, no Components in the library area. I can't add anything to the UI :( | 12:14 |
| hiemanshu | matrixx: yeah, they sent me an email asking me to reset my password for security reasons | 12:14 |
| matrixx | hiemanshu: me too, I wonder if there's been a new attack | 12:15 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, I hope not | 12:16 |
| matrixx | or maybe the last breach appeared to be broader than expected | 12:16 |
| phunguy | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/qt-creator/2011-November/000041.html > there's my answer | 12:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: is there package or source only? | 12:23 |
| khertan | ZogG_laptop, there is a package in obs | 12:24 |
| khertan | version 3.0.2 | 12:24 |
| khertan | and i ven't release yet 3.0.3 | 12:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: i can check only pkg as i don't have tools to compile myself | 12:25 |
| khertan | (it s python + qml ... no need to compile :) | 12:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: if it's on OBS try to push it to apps.formeego.com | 12:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh than wait | 12:25 |
| khertan | i'll push it if it s works | 12:25 |
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| khertan | apps.formeego.com < lol 3 apps for n9 | 12:26 |
| khertan | hihi | 12:26 |
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| X-Fade | khertan: hey, we're just testing ;) | 12:27 |
| phunguy | so if qt components aren't integrated into the designer, is there any other way to visually design the UI, or it has to all be done from code? | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | khertan: 15 more in the queue atm. | 12:27 |
| phunguy | so if qt components aren't integrated into the designer, is there any other way to visually design the UI, or it has to all be done from code? | 12:28 |
| khertan | X-Fade, yep and it s a good things this finnally come | 12:28 |
| khertan | i didn't think people was still working on it | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | We need a few more people to help test and do community QA on the apps in testing btw. | 12:28 |
| djszapi | we should probably put many packages from c-obs to testing in there. | 12:29 |
| khertan | X-Fade, only real app are accepted ? i mean which have an ui ? like on maemo ? | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yes. | 12:29 |
| khertan | or does command line apps are also welcome | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | khertan: We don't block those at least ;) | 12:30 |
| djszapi | and establishing the proper QA policy is more needed imho than putting packages in there. | 12:31 |
| djszapi | that is a lot of work though. IIRC Ovi is developed by many people. | 12:32 |
| phunguy | crap its 5:30am | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Sure, but you can start off simple. | 12:33 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: no allocated time sorry :) | 12:34 |
| phunguy | djszapi> friend, pal, :) any tips on qt quick UI development? | 12:34 |
| djszapi | yes, never ever use qtcreator | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Atm we have simple things like, does it run, does it use a lot of power, does it uninstall. | 12:35 |
| phunguy | great tip. what should I start with then? | 12:35 |
| djszapi | X-Fade ouch, so no security checks... | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: How would you do that :) | 12:35 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: I know many holes in Harmattan, I would start checking all of them | 12:35 |
| djszapi | just like OVI started doing btw. | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: But that is not public info. | 12:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | khertan: no git there and downloading file by file from phone with wget doesn't work very well | 12:36 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: not public what ? It is just about hacking really :) | 12:36 |
| djszapi | you find a security hole, the qa process should defense against that. There are many like that. | 12:37 |
| djszapi | defend* | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I mean that there are no tools publicly available to do the checks. | 12:37 |
| djszapi | you need to write that for sure. | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: But that is hard to do when you don't know about what to check for ;) | 12:37 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: you need to think of the possible holes for sure | 12:38 |
| djszapi | I think that is one of the most important part of the QA process. | 12:38 |
| * X-Fade appoints djszapi as the community security team lead | 12:38 | |
| ZogG_laptop | cd /tmp | 12:38 |
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| phunguy | What should one start out with for coding in QT other than Creator? | 12:42 |
| radiofree | phunguy: vi? | 12:44 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: regarding package licenses, is there any restriction/recommendations on this regard? | 12:45 |
| phunguy | not sure how I could visually create the UI I want with vi. I could code it fine, I'm looking for a decent way to create the UI | 12:45 |
| radiofree | there's qt designer i think, but not sure how old that is | 12:45 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: (on apps.formeego.com QA subject) | 12:45 |
| radiofree | for QML stuff you mean? | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Only OSS. | 12:45 |
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| phunguy | radiofree > that doesn't support harmattan qt-components though | 12:46 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: good, easier to QA for security things (if one is interested on deep analysis) then :) | 12:46 |
| radiofree | I suppose the only qml designer is in qt creator then | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: At least we have the source code then yes. | 12:47 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: too much responsibility to take care of security also in leisure time :P It is one of the most responsible areas :P I am already trying to get into the Qt security issue circles..:) | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Anyway, any help on tools would be good. Even if it is just contacts etc. | 12:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: i made some adv for apps.formeego.org on russian meego society | 12:48 |
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| X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: ah, cool :) | 12:49 |
| djszapi | ZogG_laptop: from Russia, do you come to Saint Petersburg for the FRUCT11 conference with us ? | 12:50 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: my suggestion for one check is to do a basic review on the package maintainer scripts (postinst/preinst/postrm/etc.) and look for "suspicious" operations (which I'm still collecting myself). E.g. packages touching /etc/udev/* or modifying /dev/* files. There are a couple of holes there | 12:54 |
| hiemanshu | Saint Petersburg reminds me of Hitman 2 :D | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: We'd need some self contained tool for that. Which basically takes the source and runs some tests against it. | 12:55 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: agree. I would contribute to that once there is some requirements in place :) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | The BOSS automation we have for the process is such that we can plug in scripts to do certain tasks easily. | 12:57 |
| djszapi | and the tool should not be written in C++ imho since the tool mistake probabilities should be solely avoided. | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Boss participants are done in python mostly. | 13:00 |
| djszapi | yes, something very simple. It is the same case as unit tests | 13:00 |
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| Jare_ | is there a list of available dbus commands somewhere? | 13:22 |
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| djszapi | do you mean available interfaces or what ? | 13:25 |
| sledges | hello, got my N9!!! | 13:25 |
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| Jare_ | djszapi: something like this http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 13:29 |
| * RST38h yawns | 13:29 | |
| RST38h | So, how are things? Are we dead yet? =) | 13:30 |
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| djszapi | there are different pages, but no colelcted one imho | 13:31 |
| djszapi | collected* | 13:31 |
| sledges | is this a good place to ask about N9 WiFi PR1.1 not seeing my AP? | 13:32 |
| sledges | (I reckon Harmattan embraces the kernel, too) | 13:32 |
| sledges | ((double sorry for asking to ask :))) | 13:33 |
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| djszapi | zz_gri: do you make special validation in yoru account plugin ? | 13:45 |
| corecode | hi | 13:47 |
| corecode | yipdw: you there? | 13:47 |
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| djszapi | mm, actually there are more ways of installing a package as non-root.. | 14:18 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, I missed the scary mail about password reset on developer.nokia.com | 15:05 |
| djszapi | interesting 1-2 aegis bug reports of the many on the public bug tracker. | 15:11 |
| Corsac | I should report one about giving a warning when the device reboots because of an aegis violation | 15:13 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 15:14 |
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| gri | djszapi: nope, I don't check the data while entering (most of my apps' plugins dont support that so I left it out) | 15:25 |
| gri | djszapi: I only ensure all fields are filled | 15:25 |
| gri | Corsac: they still don't comment on why the password had to be reset and why project.developer.nokia.com is down for 3 days now :) | 15:27 |
| Corsac | gri: well, that looks obvious | 15:27 |
| djszapi | gri: without that, the plugin must be simple. I believe that is the most hefty part of the plugins, like skype. | 15:28 |
| gri | Corsac: Nooo, never :P | 15:28 |
| djszapi | skype even does a special check. | 15:28 |
| Corsac | djszapi: I experience from time to time (mostly when fresh booted) reboots when opening the phone app. One of that time I had a tail -f running on the logs, I noticed aegis was reporting an failed integrity check on some .db | 15:28 |
| Corsac | djszapi: so it could warn on screen about that instead of triggering an immediate reboot | 15:28 |
| gri | djszapi: Well, for oauth2 and such, there should be required nothing to validate | 15:29 |
| gri | djszapi: if you have your own mechanism, you can implement a signon plugin which validates the data :) | 15:29 |
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| djszapi | Corsac: steps to repro ? | 15:35 |
| djszapi | gri: not quite | 15:36 |
| djszapi | gri: most of the builtin plugins do have validation actually. | 15:36 |
| Corsac | not really reproducible, as I said, it happens “sometimes” when I boot, pressing the phone app makes the device reboot | 15:36 |
| Corsac | djszapi: and usually it happens if I press the phone app quickly after the app screen appeared, and not if I wait a bit | 15:36 |
| Corsac | so it might be a race condition of some sort | 15:37 |
| gri | djszapi: I did not say they don't use validation. I said for oauth2 etc., the validation should work out of the box | 15:37 |
| djszapi | Corsac: try to find reproducing steps. Also the precise db file would help a lot. | 15:37 |
| djszapi | gri: so the answer is that for the original question, yes you do have validator functionality. | 15:38 |
| Corsac | let me check the logs | 15:38 |
| gri | I don't but mostly all other plugins have | 15:38 |
| djszapi | so not oauth2, not even validation ? :) | 15:38 |
| djszapi | you sure ovi store accepts it ? :P | 15:38 |
| gri | nope, I store passwords not oauth tokens | 15:38 |
| gri | since my server should not save these passwords | 15:39 |
| gri | it only takes them from the phone when sending a message and does not store it at all | 15:39 |
| djszapi | is that good ? | 15:40 |
| gri | well, both choices suck | 15:40 |
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| gri | the only "safe" method would be: let the phone do the website scraping instead of the server | 15:40 |
| gri | but then it takes longer or may not work using gprs | 15:41 |
| djszapi | well, that is one of the purpose of account plugins, to do this | 15:41 |
| gri | the websites I scrape don't have an api | 15:41 |
| Corsac | djszapi: http://paste.debian.net/147811/ (not really precise but the number by itself is a bit concerning) | 15:41 |
| gri | they don't like to be scraped :) | 15:41 |
| djszapi | gri: sounds scarry :))) | 15:41 |
| Corsac | (note that I don't think each and everyone of them leaded to a reboot) | 15:41 |
| djszapi | Corsac: well, you have a corrupted data | 15:42 |
| djszapi | actually not one, but more | 15:42 |
| gri | djszapi: It's like writing an amazon client without getting api access: you can only "play browser" | 15:43 |
| Corsac | I assume the signon.db is the one leading to the need to enter passwords at every boot? | 15:43 |
| djszapi | gri: I think you slightly misunderstood me because what I am basically saying, the storage is one of the main purposes in case account plugins. | 15:43 |
| djszapi | Corsac: you mean the corrupted signon.db ? | 15:44 |
| gri | djszapi: Yes but simply account plugins should only need a few lines of code if you use a predefined authentication method | 15:44 |
| gri | simple* | 15:44 |
| Corsac | djszapi: yes | 15:44 |
| djszapi | gri: that is why I said: without that, the plugin must be simple. I believe that is the most hefty part of the plugins, like skype. | 15:45 |
| gri | djszapi: In short I meant: either write a very short accounts plugin and add your preferred authentication method to signon OR do everything in the accounts plugin | 15:45 |
| gri | it's just not defined who should do the verification | 15:46 |
| djszapi | gri: the "default" is not acceptable for most of the plugins including mine. | 15:46 |
| djszapi | setupcontext + validation = 95% of the plugin. | 15:48 |
| gri | please check the facebook plugin | 15:48 |
| gri | it should be less code | 15:48 |
| gri | since they could use oauth2, don't know if they do | 15:49 |
| djszapi | facebook does use oauth | 15:54 |
| gri | so I would suspect the code in the accountsplugin shorter, like just setting the app secret and such things | 15:54 |
| gri | and validation by signond | 15:55 |
| djszapi | well, I am not allowed to speak about the internal implementation details ;) | 15:55 |
| gri | I'm also not really interested in that :P | 15:56 |
| djszapi | also you can check anytime the dependencies... | 15:56 |
| djszapi | it does even use signon plugin | 15:57 |
| djszapi | so it is not just by signon usage directly. | 15:57 |
| gri | yeah, there is some header I think | 15:57 |
| gri | hmm not exported, so no linker needed ok :) | 15:59 |
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| gri | thought it was because of this one: https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2/blobs/master/src/oauth2data.h#line34 | 15:59 |
| djszapi | as far as I can tell, they do not use oauth | 16:01 |
| gri | hmm ok | 16:01 |
| djszapi | at least I do not see it in the dependencies | 16:01 |
| gri | well if oauth is used, it's used by signond | 16:02 |
| gri | so the accountsplugin should not need to link it | 16:02 |
| gri | anyway, I'm going to try this on the weekend since I hate that those dropbox clients don't use the accounts ui | 16:03 |
| djszapi | they do use | 16:04 |
| djszapi | well, I do not find oauth in the code either | 16:04 |
| gri | DropN9 does not use accounts-ui, it does not even use signon | 16:04 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 16:04 |
| djszapi | what is DropN9 ? | 16:05 |
| gri | some dropbox client | 16:05 |
| gri | like Dropian (also not using accounts-ui) | 16:05 |
| djszapi | that is the only thing I found on the facebook site: https://graph.facebook.com/oauth/exchange_sessions | 16:05 |
| gri | I know there is a dropbox icon by nokia in the theme but there's no nokia dropbox client :( | 16:05 |
| qronic | so with all that acrrier IQ buzz on te net, it's not on N9 right? | 16:05 |
| djszapi | https://graph.facebook.com/oauth -> this one, more precisely. | 16:05 |
| qronic | s/acrrier/carrier | 16:05 |
| djszapi | I have never seen the dropbox client myself. | 16:06 |
| gri | djszapi: http://developers.facebook.com/docs/authentication/ | 16:06 |
| djszapi | gri: that is not what in the code :P | 16:07 |
| djszapi | anyway, it is not that simple to write a plugin, if it is not minimal. | 16:07 |
| leinir | qronic: i'd be very surprised it it were - it seems to be a carrier thing rather than a manufacturer thing (except in the case of apple, of course, but they like to think of themselves as carrier of the bright light anyway ;) ) | 16:08 |
| qronic | :) | 16:09 |
| dm8tbr | we don't need carier-iq, we have aegis *snerk* *cough* ;) | 16:09 |
| djszapi | gri: have you experimented with the providers xml tags ? Seems a bit undocumented :P | 16:11 |
| djszapi | for the time being, I have just picked up simple username/password login entries. | 16:11 |
| gri | djszapi: I just checked the account-setup tag, this is parsed in the libaccounts-ui at some place | 16:12 |
| gri | so I just checked that code to know how the xml might look like | 16:12 |
| djszapi | I know how the xml looks like since they are available in the data folder. I was just wondering whether you know the meanings. | 16:14 |
| djszapi | yes, parser code check is a way, but the idea is to avoid that :P | 16:14 |
| gri | I did not use it that excessive | 16:14 |
| gri | only provide description, icon and name - other things are done by my qml code | 16:14 |
| djszapi | gri: I think something like this is a fairly trivial one, and I do not dare to use more to not break it :P http://paste.kde.org/153920/ | 16:16 |
| djszapi | though, I have no clue about the meaning of "<register type="formular"/>" for instance. The community could probably document those on a weikipage... | 16:17 |
| gri | if you remove install-existing and children but add <plugin>, that's what I use :) | 16:17 |
| gri | no idea what this is for ... you can somehow build the ui via xml and extend the elements if you like ... | 16:18 |
| gri | but there's no real documentation how that should be done | 16:18 |
| djszapi | well, that is what some plugin does, for instance picasa iirc | 16:19 |
| gri | <name> etc. are translation ids but I think you know that :) | 16:19 |
| djszapi | yes, I realized. Well, the thing is that I am far away from testing :P I try to understand the concepts and alternatives thoroughly, at least as much as possible. | 16:20 |
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| djszapi | I /think/: the best option is that you use existing authentication plugin, second it to write your own plugin. Third is to use password plugin and do authnetication using stored passwords | 16:21 |
| gri | aggree with that | 16:24 |
| gri | with one g less :) | 16:25 |
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| djszapi | Corsac: have you flashed EMMC as well, and you did backup restore ? | 16:41 |
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| Corsac | djszapi: recently? no | 16:42 |
| djszapi | when the corruption happened. | 16:42 |
| djszapi | right before that. | 16:42 |
| Corsac | I don't think so, afair it was just after pr1.1 OTA upgrade | 16:43 |
| Corsac | but note that the upgrade wasn't complete the first time (kernel wasn't upgraded) so I had to force it (reboot -u etc.) | 16:43 |
| djszapi | O_o I wanted to suggest to remove the network connection | 16:43 |
| djszapi | it might be that, the network stuff is running with some operation while the backup is happening... | 16:44 |
| djszapi | Another option is upstart is somehow running this signond before the aegisfs things. | 16:44 |
| djszapi | On the other hand, it is better to re-type the password than leaking it out :) | 16:44 |
| Corsac | there's a backup at every boot? | 16:44 |
| djszapi | nah.. | 16:45 |
| Corsac | anyway, it seems the solution is coming with pr1.2 | 16:48 |
| Corsac | (according to https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 at least) | 16:48 |
| djszapi | right, my last idea was the battery | 16:48 |
| djszapi | if you run out of the battery, of course the db is corrupted | 16:49 |
| djszapi | but I thought you did not run out ? | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | Even then it is strange that a 99.99% read db corrupts. | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | I mean, it only stores a few usernames and password. That doesn't have heavy churn. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | it is not 99.99% as said above | 16:51 |
| djszapi | it is "random". | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I mean the accounts db. That itself is mostly read. | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | So the only time it can corrupt is when things actually write to it. | 16:52 |
| djszapi | we did not discuss accounts db, just signon, if that is what you mean | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Fine signon then :) | 16:52 |
| djszapi | my gut feeling is actually that, the signon daemon is doing something wrong | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | I experienced the corruption too. | 16:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn | 16:55 |
| Corsac | note that, afair, it started when I deleted accounts and recreated them, after pr1.1 upgrade | 16:56 |
| Corsac | so maybe the hash was readonly or something after that upgrade | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | after one after reboot all accounnt password are diappeared and twitter doesn't connect anymore | 16:56 |
| Corsac | (and it may very well be that I did that during the window where I had upgraded to 1.1 but not yet the kernel) | 16:56 |
| Corsac | (and I did remove those accounts in order to investigate #63 :) | 16:57 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade not the username and password are damaged | 16:57 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: the hash stored inside the protected storage index. | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Ah. | 16:57 |
| Corsac | anyway, since reflashing + restore isn't supposed to work since it'll restore the bad signon.db too, I'm just waiting for pr1.2 | 16:58 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: and the signon daemon keeps the file opened /all/ the time time, it does not close it on its own. It opens up in write mode. | 16:58 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: so if there is no sync up, the hash can run out of the fashion very simply. | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | I got it fixed though, don't remember how I did it. | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | Some backup/restore iteration, I guess. | 16:59 |
| djszapi | anyway, I am off to the company christmas party :P Good luck with this :) | 16:59 |
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| gri | it's 22 days left for christmas .. | 17:11 |
| gri | Wow, that new ubuntu control panel looks like apple ... | 17:16 |
| neal | How do I figure out if the user is idle/active? On Maemo 5, I could use mce provided the system_inactivity_ind, but Harmattan does not seem to provide that. | 17:17 |
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| radiofree | neal: there's the Session.State content property | 17:22 |
| radiofree | when Session.State == blanked is probably what you're after? | 17:22 |
| radiofree | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libcontextsubscriber&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJjb250ZXh0c3Vic2NyaWJlcg%3D%3D | 17:23 |
| neal | radiofree: Thanks! | 17:23 |
| radiofree | the documentation isn't great, if you need any help just ping me | 17:25 |
| radiofree | there's a bit more info about it http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/contextkit/blobs/master/spec/core.context#line509 | 17:25 |
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| neal | radiofree: I'm looking for dbus apis (I'm not using qt). Do you know off-hand where to find those? | 17:26 |
| neal | radiofree: Or, C APIs. | 17:26 |
| radiofree | contextkit has a c api | 17:27 |
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| Piru | mm base64 encoded url | 17:28 |
| Piru | ah frame. lets try something | 17:29 |
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| Piru | yeah. http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libcontextsubscriber&wb=daily-docs&url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcHBsZS5jb20v | 17:36 |
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| radiofree | Piru ;) | 17:36 |
| radiofree | neal: sorry, the c api is only for contextprovide, which is not what you want | 17:37 |
| Corsac | lors que bon | 17:38 |
| Corsac | <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> | 17:38 |
| Corsac | <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> | 17:38 |
| Corsac | (sorry -ECHAN) | 17:41 |
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| luke-jr | djszapi: dunno, I don't care about phones | 18:47 |
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| luke-jr | djszapi: I don't think that "people, like Aaron Seigo" should decide how I use KDE. | 18:52 |
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| lizardo | where is the code for http://apps.formeego.org/n9client ? | 19:07 |
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| yipdw | corecode: here now; what's up? | 19:31 |
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| corecode | yipdw: hi | 20:00 |
| corecode | yipdw: i saw your jabber commit | 20:00 |
| corecode | yipdw: do you have a plan what needs to be implemented? | 20:00 |
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| M4rtinK | I have just checked all bugs on the Harmattan bugzilla to check if the "apps are rotating to portrait orientation when in landscape multitasking view" was filled yet | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | and it looks like it was not filled yet | 20:56 |
| yipdw | corecode: I'm still teaching myself the accounts framework, so no plan yet | 20:57 |
| yipdw | corecode: any documentation towards that would be useful; all I've got right now is the accounts-qt source and some other documentation from Nokia | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | I know that the landscape multitasking view is unofficial but I still find this behaviour super annoying :) | 20:58 |
| yipdw | corecode: frankly this would be a lot easier if Nokia just opened up the Google Talk plugin :P | 20:58 |
| corecode | yea | 21:00 |
| corecode | yipdw: but everything works even without gui | 21:00 |
| yipdw | sort of | 21:01 |
| corecode | yipdw: seems it is just a matter of adding the gui | 21:01 |
| corecode | what's missing? | 21:01 |
| yipdw | corecode: here's a few things I've noticed: | 21:01 |
| yipdw | 1) contact integration -- if you look at a contact's card you can't see their presence for an arbitrary XMPP account | 21:02 |
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| corecode | right | 21:02 |
| yipdw | 2) when you try to contact someone via XMPP, it just shows up as a blank service, though the name you supply is present | 21:02 |
| yipdw | 3) the full array of statuses isn't present | 21:02 |
| yipdw | (all you get is "Online" and "Offline") | 21:02 |
| corecode | right | 21:03 |
| corecode | is there more? | 21:03 |
| corecode | for xmpp? | 21:03 |
| yipdw | I haven't found anything yet | 21:03 |
| corecode | ah, some sort of away | 21:03 |
| yipdw | those all are GUI things, yes | 21:03 |
| corecode | or dnd | 21:03 |
| corecode | yes | 21:03 |
| yipdw | but I don't yet know how much is needed to make them work | 21:03 |
| corecode | so what do your files address? | 21:03 |
| yipdw | they create a Jabber entry in the "new account" menu | 21:03 |
| yipdw | oh, yes, there is more | 21:04 |
| yipdw | 4) no way to configure client priority | 21:04 |
| corecode | yea | 21:04 |
| yipdw | 5) no avatar support (I think; this one's hard to quickly verify -- I need to set up a more controlled XMPP test environment) | 21:04 |
| yipdw | but yeah, that's all they do | 21:04 |
| corecode | it shows my avatar | 21:04 |
| yipdw | they don't include any support for account storage or whatnot | 21:05 |
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| yipdw | if you try to create an account using the screens that come up as a result of dumping those XML files in /usr/share/accounts/{providers,services}, you'll get a qtn_storage_undefined (or something) error | 21:05 |
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| corecode | ok | 21:05 |
| yipdw | I haven't figured out what the error means; been trying to find documentation | 21:06 |
| corecode | with an existing account, what will change? | 21:06 |
| yipdw | oh, I'm using an existing XMPP accunt | 21:06 |
| yipdw | account | 21:06 |
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| yipdw | I'm just trying to add it to the accounts list | 21:06 |
| corecode | right | 21:06 |
| yipdw | there's no account registration implemented yet | 21:06 |
| corecode | i understand | 21:06 |
| yipdw | do you mean if you've already added one via the mc-tool hackery? | 21:07 |
| corecode | yes | 21:07 |
| yipdw | oh | 21:07 |
| yipdw | this doesn't address that | 21:07 |
| yipdw | (yet) | 21:07 |
| corecode | ah, you're doing the "add xmpp account to n9" | 21:07 |
| yipdw | right | 21:07 |
| corecode | not "show xmpp contacts" | 21:07 |
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| yipdw | I would like to get there too | 21:07 |
| yipdw | but they seem like aspects of the same problem | 21:07 |
| yipdw | (so far) | 21:08 |
| yipdw | again, I'm not sure -- I just want to get this working :P | 21:08 |
| corecode | could you maybe add whatever url you find to your README? | 21:08 |
| yipdw | sure thing | 21:08 |
| corecode | thanks | 21:08 |
| yipdw | I have seen other examples of account plugins, e.g. the one used for tmo | 21:08 |
| corecode | ah there are sources? | 21:08 |
| corecode | that's good | 21:08 |
| yipdw | I keep trying to find a more in-depth description of Harmattan's account system on the interwebs, though | 21:08 |
| yipdw | and I'm not finding out | 21:09 |
| corecode | yea | 21:09 |
| yipdw | er, finding it | 21:09 |
| yipdw | oh wait | 21:09 |
| yipdw | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80501 | 21:09 |
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| yipdw | eh, never mind; that's roughly where I'm stuck at right now | 21:10 |
| yipdw | I'll send a source code request to Nokia for the gtalk plugin | 21:11 |
| yipdw | I really can't imagine that their hands would be tied due to third-party obligations on that | 21:11 |
| yipdw | (but who knows) | 21:11 |
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| yipdw | that seems like the most productive thing I could do at this point | 21:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: re | 21:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~ping | 21:41 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm why would i get timeout on connection in qt-creator while deploying keys to n9 ? | 21:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmmmm, over wlan it does work =) | 22:17 |
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| dm8tbr | javispedro: I've zeroed in on one or two minimum features and have the protocol bits for that. | 23:09 |
| javispedro | aha | 23:09 |
| dm8tbr | javispedro: now the challenge will be to make sowatch build and then start adding things there | 23:09 |
| dm8tbr | I've both installed SB and qt-sdk, which one do you use? | 23:10 |
| javispedro | dm8tbr: if you remove qmafwwatchlet from sowatch.pro it should build on qt creator | 23:10 |
| javispedro | I am using qt-sdk but with a custom rootstrap | 23:11 |
| dm8tbr | actually I manged to install the qmaf deb files, but it still couldn't find one file | 23:11 |
| javispedro | which is? | 23:11 |
| dm8tbr | let me check | 23:11 |
| javispedro | oh | 23:11 |
| javispedro | I kinda remember a chicken/egg problem | 23:12 |
| javispedro | I think you will also need to install a previous version' into madde | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | mafwshared.h | 23:12 |
| javispedro | ah | 23:12 |
| javispedro | that should come with one of the qmafw-dev packages | 23:12 |
| javispedro | either way I'd forget about it for now and remove qmafwwatchlet | 23:13 |
| dm8tbr | which I thought I had installed | 23:13 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 23:13 |
| dm8tbr | just comment it out in the main pro file I guess? | 23:13 |
| javispedro | yep | 23:13 |
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| javispedro | to save on build time better remove most of them =) | 23:14 |
| javispedro | basically all of the ones inside the MEEGO_VERSION_MAJOR conditional | 23:14 |
| javispedro | (my plan was obviously to have all of this in separate projects, but well, convenience won...) | 23:14 |
| dm8tbr | right, those can be added once I've figured out a concept for a fake framebuffer | 23:15 |
| dm8tbr | I can put the device in a mode where I just send 128x128 bitmaps | 23:15 |
| javispedro | very nice | 23:15 |
| javispedro | have you estimated how much it takes to send one of those? | 23:16 |
| javispedro | and whether you can make partial updates? | 23:16 |
| dm8tbr | no, didn't look at that | 23:16 |
| dm8tbr | yes, partial should be possible in theory | 23:16 |
| dm8tbr | at least there is also a function to send a smaller bitmap to a certain coordinate | 23:16 |
| javispedro | very, verry nice. | 23:16 |
| javispedro | (due to latency if there's no partial updates/damages it would probably be unusably slow) | 23:17 |
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| dm8tbr | yes that's what I'd also expect | 23:20 |
| dm8tbr | actually I should check the original SDK documentation for hints about their high-level functionality | 23:21 |
| dm8tbr | as that will likely map to those things | 23:21 |
| dm8tbr | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libsowatch.so.1 needed by debian/sowatch/opt/sowatch/lib/drivers/libmetawatchdriver.so.1.0.0 (its RPATH is '/opt/sowatch/lib:/usr/lib'). | 23:23 |
| dm8tbr | whu? | 23:23 |
| dm8tbr | seems I did something stupid | 23:23 |
| javispedro | I think this is the chicken and egg problem | 23:23 |
| javispedro | are you on windows? | 23:23 |
| javispedro | dm8tbr: install this to madde -- http://depot.javispedro.com/metawatch/sowatch/sowatch_0.2.1_armel.deb | 23:25 |
| dm8tbr | ah, it needs itself installed to be bootstrapped :D | 23:25 |
| javispedro | It did not happen to me :S, and doesn't seem to happen in sbox | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn Winters. | 23:29 |
| javispedro | I love Winters | 23:30 |
| javispedro | the fact that here even in January you can pretty much stay outside with just a shirt probably helps | 23:30 |
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| dm8tbr | javispedro: yay, now it looks much better | 23:35 |
| dm8tbr | looks like I'll be spending my weekend prototyping this | 23:35 |
| javispedro | heh | 23:36 |
| javispedro | I'm making some QML list control that can be both scrolled and navigated with two keys | 23:36 |
| dm8tbr | the liveview has a nice notification view | 23:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | eve | 23:37 |
| dm8tbr | where you can just feed plain text plus a small logo bitmap to it | 23:37 |
| javispedro | aha | 23:37 |
| dm8tbr | the plaintext can actually be pretty long | 23:37 |
| dm8tbr | did I show you the video of the python sample code running on n950? | 23:38 |
| javispedro | you can get the list of pending/live notifications from the watchserver instance | 23:38 |
| javispedro | I think so | 23:38 |
| dm8tbr | that sounds very good | 23:38 |
| javispedro | btw on PR1.1 N950 it seems that there are charset issues with notifications | 23:39 |
| javispedro | even in the lock screen | 23:39 |
| javispedro | all non-ascii chars in my mails' subjects display as mojibake on the lockscreen | 23:39 |
| javispedro | and sometimes you can see "2 new mails<MOJIBAKE>2 mails" instead of the subject | 23:40 |
| javispedro | [sic, without line feeds] | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, the short days mess me up. | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like having daylight in the evening. | 23:41 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: oh, good point | 23:41 |
| javispedro | however, I hate heat more :) | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I want to make a tides, sunrise/set, forecast watchlet. | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heat doesn't bother me. | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor hummidity | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | but that's Florida living. ;) | 23:42 |
| * javispedro fails to get Qt Creator to understand QML_IMPORT_DIR | 23:46 | |
| javispedro | *_PATH | 23:46 |
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