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| Psi | how much power can the n900 port supply in host mode? | 00:52 |
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| Psi | (usb) | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | 200mA it was | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | or 300mA | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | something like that | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | not a lot | 00:52 |
| Psi | ok, thanks | 00:52 |
| Psi | its a huge amount more than my neo1973 | 00:52 |
| Psi | :P | 00:53 |
| Psi | 0mA is pretty low | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | n8 can supply full 500mA | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 01:30 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Psi: 200 | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: 500? duh! | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as good as Freerunner | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 01:35 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | haha my provider fails with DHCP/login on 2G | 01:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 praises statusmenu 2G/3G/dual switcher | 01:37 | |
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| Macer | blah | 01:44 |
| rmitage | hey everyone | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | blah? | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rmitage: hey | 01:46 |
| rmitage | lots of people here | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a few still, yeah | 01:48 |
| HyperSnyper | hi DocScrutinizer | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | benn >600 at times | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi | 01:48 |
| rmitage | wow | 01:48 |
| HyperSnyper | i'm still waiting on the n900 to arrive :D | 01:48 |
| HyperSnyper | heh | 01:48 |
| rmitage | you bought a new one HyperSnyper? | 01:49 |
| HyperSnyper | nah refurb | 01:50 |
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| rmitage | Is it your first one? | 01:50 |
| HyperSnyper | yep | 01:50 |
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| HyperSnyper | first "smartphone" aswell | 01:50 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not sure if congratulate you | 01:51 |
| HyperSnyper | still going old school with an s40 | 01:51 |
| Sc0rpius | :O | 01:51 |
| Sc0rpius | if I lose my N900 today I'd wait for an N9 | 01:51 |
| rmitage | well the n900 is the smartest one out there :p | 01:51 |
| HyperSnyper | well Sc0rpius i didn't pay alot for it | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MEH N9 | 01:51 |
| Sc0rpius | I still think the N8 should be hacked and some genius out there put some Meego in there | 01:51 |
| HyperSnyper | and nowhere near what id guess the N9 will be | 01:52 |
| Sc0rpius | u mad DocScrutinizer | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oely? | 01:52 |
| Sc0rpius | it seems the days of physical keyboards are over :( | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | r | 01:52 |
| rmitage | why? | 01:52 |
| rmitage | hardware kb ftw | 01:52 |
| Sc0rpius | nobody releases real kb in their phones anymore | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd not need or worry a hw kbd on a szstem as BS as harmattan | 01:53 |
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| Sc0rpius | heh | 01:53 |
| Sc0rpius | you think Maemo was/is better? | 01:53 |
| Sc0rpius | as in Maemo5 | 01:53 |
| rmitage | also, people seem to be having trouble with aegis | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~aegis | 01:53 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 01:53 |
| rmitage | you can check the discussion about aegin on the meego.com forums | 01:55 |
| rmitage | *aegis | 01:55 |
| HyperSnyper | DocScrutinizer51 ok tpm ? | 01:56 |
| HyperSnyper | *to pm | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, if you absolutely need that | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | last state abot airodump? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | works with stock kernel or needs PK/special-driver for wifi? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: check repos for aircrack | 02:02 |
| HyperSnyper | will do when i can ;P | 02:03 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs | 02:03 |
| rmitage | what's aerodump? one of those packet sniffing thingies? | 02:03 |
| rmitage | airodump i mean | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the sniffing part of aircrack | 02:04 |
| rmitage | does that stuff actually work? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might need powerkernel | 02:04 |
| HyperSnyper | how risky is changing kernel's ? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as there's been a bug so wifi worked only on chan 6 | 02:05 |
| HyperSnyper | also is there a "system backup/system image" i should do when phone arrives before i start trying to break it | 02:05 |
| HyperSnyper | or just reflash when/if that happens | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | very low risk, if you do proper backups first | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use backupmenu | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | THE backup utility app | 02:06 |
| HyperSnyper | ok | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it does full images on boot time | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not like the builtin backup app by nokia | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: just never dare to unintall a kernel. doesnt ork on any unix ;-) | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: just never dare to uninstall a kernel. doesn't work on any unix ;-) | 02:12 |
| HyperSnyper | i'll try remember that one :P | 02:12 |
| rmitage | hope you get one of the good ones HyperSnyper. Some are more overclockable than others :p | 02:12 |
| HyperSnyper | oh ? | 02:12 |
| HyperSnyper | wasn't really thinking about overclockin to be honest | 02:13 |
| Kilroo1 | Yeah, mine is pretty stable at 850 but if I try to push it any higher it seems to get upset. | 02:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 deprecates OC | 02:14 | |
| rmitage | well, overclocking has benefits, especially if you're into gaming | 02:14 |
| Kilroo1 | I really ought to get another one, though, as a backup...even the 950 is capacative, so the chances of my ever finding a suitable replacement seem a bit slim... | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | If you're a linux user/hacker from before, also beware that the classic "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" is likely to blow away large chunks of the system and make the device unbootable ;) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 25% more are never worth the bad feeling you might have fried it | 02:15 |
| HyperSnyper | thats very good to know.... | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | Also, the cake^Wfstab is a lie | 02:16 |
| HyperSnyper | ShadowJK just to know "unbootable" = bircked ? | 02:16 |
| Kilroo1 | Maybe I'll feel adventurous again soon and try to follow one of the confusing sets of instructions for getting nitdroid to u-boot. | 02:16 |
| HyperSnyper | or just would need reflash | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | reflash | 02:16 |
| rmitage | has anyone ever actually managed to fry the n900 from overclocking? | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: you can't brick OMAP devices, unless you OC | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | It takes serious effort to truly brick it. Although sometimes you can be fooled, because flashing doesn't work if battery is low, and battery charging does not charge sufficiently if OS doesn't boot. | 02:17 |
| HyperSnyper | good to know | 02:17 |
| HyperSnyper | i managed to brick a dreambox | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rmitage: several reports | 02:18 |
| HyperSnyper | that took a fair bit of effort | 02:18 |
| HyperSnyper | :P | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | rmitage, fried CPU mostly manifests in the form of "Third time THIS WEEK N900 corrupted my filesystem, I'm done!!!" type rants :P | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMAP has romboot and coldflash | 02:18 |
| HyperSnyper | ShadowJK so can't flash if battery is low and can't charge if can't boot... | 02:19 |
| rmitage | oh ok | 02:19 |
| HyperSnyper | what do u do then.. | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: exactly | 02:19 |
| * HyperSnyper buys external battery charger | 02:19 | |
| ShadowJK | exactly :-) | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you'll love N900 | 02:20 |
| rmitage | I'm more worried about the usb port breaking tbqh :p | 02:20 |
| Kilroo1 | The fact that the n900 requires battery power to enter charging mode does get some WTF reactions sometimes. | 02:20 |
| HyperSnyper | yeh that scare me aswell rmitage | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~usbfix | 02:21 |
| infobot | i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | Kilroo1, not exactly true though | 02:21 |
| Kilroo1 | Oh? | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Kilroo1: not true | 02:21 |
| pigeon | is there somewhere i could see the console output of browser or browserd on the n900? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Kilroo1: it needs battery power to *flash* | 02:22 |
| Kilroo1 | Okay, explain the correct wording of the phenomenon I was describing then. | 02:22 |
| HyperSnyper | anyhow pizza time | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | Kilroo1, the hardware will charge a battery sufficiently to boot, after which the hardware will boot the device and hand over control to software. If software isn't there/working, no more charging. | 02:22 |
| HyperSnyper | thxs for the words of advice so far people | 02:22 |
| HyperSnyper | bbiab | 02:22 |
| Kilroo1 | If the battery is all the way dead, the n900 cannot charge it and an external charger is required. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~flatbatrecover | 02:22 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 02:22 |
| Kilroo1 | Ah. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if your rootfs is fucked, you are in trouble | 02:23 |
| rmitage | can't wait to try the new version of meego ce | 02:24 |
| rmitage | might have to buy a card though | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | definitely | 02:24 |
| Kilroo1 | I had never heard that before, and the closest analog I tried was with the usb cable instead of the wall charger, I think. If not, then I got c and didn't try repeating it. | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you need wallcharger, PC charging doesn't work for flatbatrecover | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | My spare N900 charged and booted a battery after sitting "dead" for several months. The battery had degraded alot from sitting empty, but it still successfully charged and booted it. That battery's health is about doubly worse than what I'd consider time to replace battery at :-) | 02:26 |
| Kilroo1 | I think I'm actually more annoyed by finding out there is a workaround after already buying an external charger in case of flatbat than I was when I found out I needed the external charger (which was, to the best of my knowledge, conventional wisdom at the time). | 02:27 |
| Kilroo1 | Oh well. | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sounds like heritage knowledge from OM Freerunner | 02:28 |
| Kilroo1 | What does? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even there A7 version was able to boot without any bat, also half of the A6 could | 02:29 |
| Kilroo1 | I wouldn't know about that. The information I found was specific to the n900. | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but OM FR had not real hw flatbatrecover | 02:30 |
| Kilroo1 | Couldn't begin to recall whether it came from IRC, TMO, or someone's blog, though. | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it came from a noob no matter what ;-P | 02:30 |
| rmitage | speaking of tmo what's with all the spamming lately... jeez | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo | 02:31 |
| infobot | i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes | 02:31 |
| rmitage | looool | 02:32 |
| Kilroo1 | Four or five noobs at least. I didn't believe there was no workaround until it had been corroborated by several sources. | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Kilroo1: I RE'd the charging in N900 more than a year ago. Since then it's known | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo flatbatrecover | 02:33 |
| infobot | flatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (427 days); last modified at Mon Jul 26 02:06:16 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 35 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 10m 54s ago. | 02:33 |
| Kilroo1 | I suppose I could try to look up when I got the external charger. | 02:34 |
| rmitage | well there are some obnoxious fools on tmo, Doc. But some pretty cool people as well | 02:37 |
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| HyperSnyper | same as any site then ? | 02:40 |
| HyperSnyper | :P | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, I'm posting to tmo as well smetimes ;-P | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't read a single thread though unless somebody points me at it | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or I started it | 02:42 |
| HyperSnyper | would an app running in deb chroot have access to the n900's bluetooth ? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, via /dev and /sys, why not? | 02:43 |
| HyperSnyper | not sure why not, just wanted to ask :P | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on wha you bindmount into your chroot root | 02:43 |
| HyperSnyper | should really just wait till it arrives and try myself | 02:43 |
| HyperSnyper | heh | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | for obvious reasons dbus msgs won't probably work though | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno how BT is usually accessed | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | afail it's plain Bluez | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so I'd guess it probably will work | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | bluez is increasingly dbus based :/ | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's why I mentioned dbus | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *could* make dbus share the chroot as well | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc it's also basically just a file in /tmp | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | two | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | session + system | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's definitely non-trivial to make it work | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: if you can't wait anymore - there are a few N900 on Nokia's RDA | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite boring (and probably even worse than qemu+xephyr based SDK emu), but a way to "get in touch" | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: if you want to dive into it head first, then I suggest you install scratchbox maemo SDK | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could have your first app ready to install and run when your device arrives | 02:54 |
| opdf2 | man been seeing a lot of sports tv show streams on tmo | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, the spam continues? I wonder how long it takes reggie to implement some proper captchas and maybe even my suggested virtual currency system for "paying" your posts | 02:57 |
| rmitage | that's a pretty good idea actually | 02:59 |
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| rmitage | based on number of posts, thanks or the ratio between the two maybe? | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also based on your karma from activities, as of http://maemo.org/profile/view/joerg_rw/ | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | add in number of months you are a member of community (aka account age), and this determines your weekly "wages", with a "bonus" for posts that got thanked by senior members | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | PLUS I *DEMAND* a "frown" button that is enabled for senior members only and will reduce the account of the one posting the msg that get "frowned" by a noticeable amount of $currency | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | spammers never would arrive to get enough balance on their virtual currency account to post *any* spam | 03:07 |
| rmitage | hehehe a frown button would also ensure some posters like a certain one from the uk would spare us all from their ramblings | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe you could even "donate" $currency to other users, as an emphasized form of hitting "tnaks" | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | "thanks" | 03:10 |
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| rmitage | Seems like a great idea. I swear some people there get their kicks from annoying everyone else | 03:11 |
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| rmitage | I wonder how feasible it is | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | technically? no problem | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | manpower though... :-S | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it seems maemo IT is semi-orphaned | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | evrybody's riding the meego-train now - a pity | 03:14 |
| rmitage | yeah :/ | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as meego as in HARM is a red herring | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and meegoCE isn't much better | 03:15 |
| rmitage | yeah? I thought it might be a way to extend the n900's life a bit if compatible with harmattan | 03:16 |
| rmitage | isn't it the case? | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, how's N900-meegoCE going to be compatible with HARM? not even inputmethod is implementable on N900 | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole GUI concept wails epically on N900 | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | fails* | 03:18 |
| rmitage | hadn't thought of that tbqh... capacitive screen. | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | meegoCE is having a hard time to be compatible on N9 | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the whole swipe-UI is closed | 03:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer btw hates the swipe-UI concept | 03:19 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what are you saying now? =) | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be more specific I hate the idea of not usually closing any app, and also of not having any homescreen whatsoever | 03:20 |
| rmitage | haven't seen much of it to be honest. what's wrong with it? | 03:20 |
| rmitage | oh | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Swipe-down (in latest) | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, a hack | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a GUI for retard^Wtypical smartphone users | 03:22 |
| javispedro | .. | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way it's intended to "bring PC experience to the phone" as NIT always been | 03:23 |
| javispedro | are you seriously complaining that the lack of a close button is the cause of that? =) | 03:24 |
| javispedro | cause it's quite easy to reenable in the theme file | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I outright can't see how OOo is ever running in a usable way on N9 | 03:24 |
| javispedro | (MeegoCE has always had a close button) | 03:24 |
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| javispedro | it will run same as on the N900: barely. the windows manager is only slightly worse. | 03:25 |
| javispedro | (with its lack of support for xrandr... :( ) | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the idea of easy porting of standard linux X apps to the phone is completely obsolete | 03:25 |
| rmitage | well I guess they're trying to appeal to phone operators and a broader audience :/ | 03:26 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: for the sake of god, please try it before complaining | 03:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer figures javispedro moving thru the dropdown app menus with the cursor keys of the vkbd... ooops no cursor keys | 03:27 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | and no hwkbd at all | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | OO was very, very sluggish when I tries it in qemu | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | easy debina | 03:27 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the lack of vkb integration is a point, but it is fixable. | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole concept of the GUI is *not* "fixable" | 03:28 |
| javispedro | but what's the problem with the UI | 03:28 |
| javispedro | I've been running gedit for a while and I've had virtually no problems except for the friggin ugly gray bar at the bottom that occupies a lot of space which is clearly a bug | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's been designed off the scratch with smartphone in mind, rather than "PC experience" | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | *from scratch* | 03:30 |
| javispedro | there's no problem with the window manager save for the gray bar when running X11 apps | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | even the hardware isn't capable of playing PC | 03:31 |
| javispedro | the largest problem is called "capacitive". | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I have to say, I've not had major issues with the capacitive screen. | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | c-ts is the killer for a decent PC-like UI | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | that plus the lack of hw-kbd | 03:32 |
| * javispedro sighs as we already had the "they broke the PC-like UI" war when Fremantle was released | 03:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no surprise, as highlighting for c&p isn't working anywhere virtually | 03:33 |
| javispedro | with the 64! pixel height buttons and worse | 03:33 |
| rmitage | still those linux ports with their tiny buttons must be a nightmare on capacitive screens | 03:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm - point | 03:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 03:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a drawing app in ovi? | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | ... | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | this been the right sentence for all of us to ponder about it til next time we talk about it | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Some people need set on fire. | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Face painting news' | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yet another RSS app | 03:37 |
| javispedro | Face painting news? | 03:37 |
| rmitage | lol who would have known from that name :p | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It could be an application which would violate the terms of service of ovi store actually. | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | we've seen awesome paintings, on a competition level, made on N900. I've never seen same on iPhone, nor will we see it on N9 | 03:38 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders why the store is not responding | 03:39 | |
| javispedro | Ovi QA is done by Elop himself who rejects any potentially useful app =) | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - 'my little artist' | 03:41 |
| javispedro | j/k, there's at least one useful app ;P | 03:41 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: another RSS reader | 03:41 |
| javispedro | ? | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet there ill be zealots that try to teach us we're "holding it wrong" and with a c-ts you don't paint anymore (and don't c&p anymore, and don't want rich menues anymore...), but rather do XY and we all had to switch to Xy now | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Drawing | 03:42 |
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| rmitage | going to bed. c ya guys | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | same zealots that teach us that no app should bother about filesystem and pathnames anymore, as some magic tracker will offer "just the right files" for each app, each usecase, always | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a hybris | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, missed that one in my top-10 of the worst ideas and concepts of the past, resurrected in harmattan | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | goes right on top, even before missing close button on #3 and missing c&p and missing homescreen sharing #2 | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while aegis is master of the universe and not even competing here | 03:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | i need transparent fingers. | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHA | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | the 'my little artist' thing is crap - it's to make pretty patterns only | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | the joys of c-ts | 04:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | haven't tried a c-stylus | 04:04 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders. | 04:04 | |
| javispedro | they're useless | 04:05 |
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| javispedro | well, I only tried on the lenovo, which according to some, is absolute crap. | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are like 6 different technologies of what's called c-ts | 04:06 |
| Sc0rpius | Lenovo K1? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | on some a stylus may work, on others... not | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | a teaspoon works - sort-of, but not on the handle end. | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Need to do some playing with resistors and tiny metal disks. | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | try a statically charged object | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and try a penny on a wooden stick | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (the former might work on c-ts of electret type, the second with those of RF type) | 04:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | isolated penny - no | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | youne | 04:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | need to touch the case | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that'S what I noticed as well, as the ts refuses to work otherwise, when sitting here plugged to charger and I try to operate it with one hand only | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | would suggest it's an electret type of c-ts | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | (or one that creates the RF dipole between screen electrodes and "GND" rather than between two electrodes of screen) | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka matrix type | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | pulse rows, check for capacitive coupling to cols | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | iPhone is said to have electret type, allegedly static charge in electret vanishes in less than 2 years if you're cursed with bad luck | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: if you got a mega high Z voltmeter (like the one heathkit meter based on an electron tube I once had), you may coonect one probe to the USB shielding GND and the other one to a penny, then approach the ts with the penny and watch for charge to build up. Only if that's an electret type c-ts | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | open LCD may work too | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | i'll poke it with the scope tomorrow | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | scope is way too low Z | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | has usually <=10M input Z | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | it will show the waveform | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | only when it's a RF type | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise all you see are interferences from the LCD driver | 04:44 |
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| RST38h | Moo gentlemen | 10:34 |
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| freemangordon___ | ~seen Pali | 10:43 |
| infobot | pali <~quassel@rohar.kolej.mff.cuni.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 12h 14m 4s ago, saying: 'ping DocScrutinizer'. | 10:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Are nokia warranties - EU - portable across countries? | 12:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Could I send my phone to a country that's shipping the n9 for repair, in the hopes of getting a n9 as a replacement? | 12:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I'd be holding od till there is some clarity on the state of the release image | 12:12 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: yes | 12:13 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: also just ask Nokia for a Maemo/Meego phone | 12:13 |
| Ikarus | they tried to dump a N8 on me, until I reminded them it's not equivilent by far due to not running proper Linux | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | "Although there are talented people still there, a lot of talented folks have left MSFT senior leadership in the past 18 months or so - Liddell, Elop, Muglia, Bach, etc, etc. Although Elop was instrumental in getting the Nokia deal up and going" | 12:34 |
| ruskie | RST38h, that basically explains it all | 12:35 |
| RST38h | "MSFT is still very strong in the enterprise but to the consumer, MSFT seems completely dead. MSFT has no consumer mindshare any longer" | 12:35 |
| RST38h | http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2011/09/friday-friday-friday-microsoft-company.html | 12:35 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines that as the announcement of Rebecca Black coming onboard as microsoft head of marketing. | 12:36 | |
| RST38h | The comments! The comments!!! | 12:37 |
| RST38h | "The review results this year looks opposite to the actual work. Good engineers who, is used to own code, are getting 4 and 5, so they are leaving, but the ones, who is awarded the top scores, are unable to manage the inherited code base." | 12:37 |
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| RST38h | Even more fun: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=836373 | 12:42 |
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| Trewas | in other news nokia announced that they actually started shipping N9 to operators/retailers | 12:44 |
| RST38h | OMG | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Did they announce it at somebody's personal blog? =) | 12:44 |
| hiemanshu | no | 12:45 |
| hiemanshu | press.nokia.com | 12:45 |
| Trewas | http://www.nokia.fi/nokia/lehdisto/tiedotteet/tiedotteet?newsid=1549733 probably in the wrong language for some :) | 12:45 |
| hiemanshu | http://press.nokia.com/2011/09/27/nokia-n9-begins-shipping/ | 12:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Surprisingly cheap in some ways | 12:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | The rumored prices were much higher. | 12:49 |
| nid0 | before taxes though, so shop prices probably will be noticeably more | 12:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | I forgot VAT - true | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Bang on 500 pounds. | 12:51 |
| ruskie | yeah VAT and the shops own margin | 12:51 |
| ruskie | depending on the shop | 12:52 |
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| ruskie | ~aegis | 12:53 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 12:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA >> "With the innovations in industrial design, user interface, **and_the_Qt_developer_experience**, the Nokia N9 sets the bar for how natural technology can feel...<< | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/MainSearchProductCategory.html?q=n9 16GB 614,99 € - 836,90 € 64GB 699,00 € - 1.015,90 € | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if I buy 2 pcs N900, I also got 64GB and sigma 1GHz CPU ;-P | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | for same money to shell out | 14:45 |
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| brik | but you can't get a pink N900 | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | OK no (mostly useless) NFC, but then double screen area, two hw kbds, NO AEGIS lockdown to OVI store... | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I probably can even find two pink spare N900 2nd-source cases in China, and somebody to mount those for me, and still save enough for a coffee to enjoy all this ;-D | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw there have been first reports of shadow-images burnt in to amoled screen after as short as a few minutes of static content display | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet unconfirmed | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus a lot of testers frowned on pentile pixel scheme | 14:54 |
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| MohammadAG | can someone post the greek sum ascii letter | 16:33 |
| Sicelo | ΣΣ | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | thanks | 16:35 |
| Sicelo | yw. | 16:35 |
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| Sicelo | post it to swaziland :P | 16:36 |
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| fizzie | Nitpick time, apologies in advance. Unicode has the "n-ary summation" mathematical operator ∑, and the Greek capital letter sigma Σ (which are different); there's no "greek sum letter", and definitely no "greek sum ascii letter". | 16:50 |
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| Sicelo | apologies accepted | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | math operator way taller | 17:54 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/zombie_linux_merger/ <-- erm | 21:00 |
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| dm8tbr | ruskie: you missed all the fun in #meego-bar then | 21:50 |
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