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| messerting | I just checked dmesg on my N9 PR1.1, and see alot of these: http://fpaste.org/fajm/ ("msyncd invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=0, oom_adj=-1") | 00:04 |
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| messerting | Where do I report it? | 00:05 |
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| javispedro | so I tried "QML Grow Container" on Google, hit Feeling Lucky button, got a page titled "How to Grow Marijuana" | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: HI! :-D | 01:20 |
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| javispedro | hi | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, Google. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting to see RIM and Qt. | 01:23 |
| javispedro | and OpenTTD, and SDL, and many other | 01:37 |
| javispedro | Since I found out about their announcement a few months ago where they showed the unixy stuff they've ported, must admit my eye has started noticing RIM's still sizeable marketshare =) | 01:38 |
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| npm | lovely, there's already a n9 warez site: http://www.n9fanclub.com | 03:01 |
| npm | seemingly w/ copies of nokia store stuff on it. | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wow | 03:02 |
| daniel_o | is warez if the software is free, or are there any non-free softwares? | 03:03 |
| daniel_o | oh i see | 03:04 |
| daniel_o | sigma player pro | 03:04 |
| daniel_o | ok forget it :D | 03:04 |
| npm | i was thinking of downloading their copy of VoiceToGoog ( http://www.n9fanclub.com/2011/11/voicetogoog-speech-to-text-nokia-n9.html ) and comparing it to what i uploaded to ( http://store.ovi.com/content/195998 ) | 03:12 |
| daniel_o | yeah | 03:13 |
| daniel_o | would be good to know | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | npm: lart them | 03:17 |
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| daniel_o | lart? | 03:20 |
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| npm | Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool, or "clue-by-four" meaning turning off the user's access to computer resources and the like | 03:21 |
| npm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luser | 03:21 |
| npm | had to look it up | 03:21 |
| daniel_o | hahahaha LD | 03:22 |
| daniel_o | :D | 03:22 |
| npm | of course DocScrutinizer51 may have been talking about http://www.debian.org/News/2000/20001123.en.html | 03:23 |
| npm | ah, intel's favorite processor "Intel SA-1100 StrongARM processor" | 03:24 |
| npm | :-) | 03:24 |
| daniel_o | sounds reasonable :D | 03:24 |
| daniel_o | oh it's already time to go.. what did i do the whole day.. the n9 i stealing my working time :D | 03:25 |
| daniel_o | see u | 03:28 |
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| phunguy | hey gents | 04:17 |
| phunguy | any tips on the good old module "Qt.labs.components" is not installed error? | 04:18 |
| phunguy | I am installed the experiemental qt-components from Programs in Control Panel, but all the other harmattan stuff was already checked during the install | 04:18 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | where can I change the supl server on my N9? | 04:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i keep looking at the status menu for gps options thinking that it's fremantle | 04:45 |
| merlin1991 | Sazpaimon_: I think there is no way todo that | 04:58 |
| merlin1991 | at least I know none | 04:58 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:35 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:46 |
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| yipdw | dm8tbr, anyone else: I'm looking for documentation that explains how account plugins are loaded in Harmattan; do you know of any? | 08:14 |
| yipdw | I see some shared objects in /usr/lib/AccountsUI; I suspect libraries in there are loaded on-demand | 08:15 |
| yipdw | not quite sure what those libraries are, though, as they have no symbols | 08:15 |
| yipdw | oh, never mind, ldd works | 08:16 |
| yipdw | not a symbol manifest but at least it gives me something | 08:16 |
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| strannik1 | No n9 in UK, Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Netherlands, | 08:46 |
| strannik1 | No n9 in UK, Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Netherlands, | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but i can buy it in poland, i'm happy ;) | 08:47 |
| strannik1 | How much is it? | 08:48 |
| strannik1 | Join the convo in #n9 ;) | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | you're talking here.. | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:49 |
| strannik1 | Yea by accident :D me and psycho oreos are in #n9 | 08:50 |
| strannik1 | After that it went downhill | 08:51 |
| strannik1 | Oh , wrong place again | 08:51 |
| * iekku offers some coffee to strannik1 | 08:52 | |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: poke | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | morn luke-jr | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: can you fix the SSL on meego? | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | no | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | fix your own client | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | it's not broken | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | the webserver is | 08:56 |
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| luke-jr | http://blog.boxedice.com/2009/05/11/godaddy-ssl-certificates-and-cannot-verify-identity-on-macsafari/ explains how to fix it I think | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | SSLCertificateChainFile is probably missing | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: that's not the problem | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, i'm not in meego IT | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | where? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | bugs.meego.com | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | Access Denied to register an account | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | oh, I already have one | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | I guess | 08:59 |
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| mece | 'ello | 10:09 |
| macmaN | Stskeeps: sup sup. some awesome news re archos g9. | 10:11 |
| macmaN | Stskeeps: should i go buy it? | 10:11 |
| macmaN | this is the only table right now that can run mer like this? | 10:11 |
| macmaN | tablet* | 10:11 |
| mece | wtf irc-chatter and other and other qtquick apps keep disappearing (going black) on my N950 | 10:12 |
| macmaN | re harmattan stuff, does anyone here happen to know if this procedure of getting n9 real golf 2011 installed on n950 could be applied to get skype ui installed on n950? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1131449&postcount=69 | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | macmaN: i'm not involved with the g9 adaptation :) | 10:12 |
| mece | so I'm typing blind and reading from task switcher, where the app works fine... | 10:13 |
| macmaN | Stskeeps: oh ok read the article now too :> so this work is not exactly public yet it appears | 10:13 |
| macmaN | mece: reboot not fixez? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | macmaN: kernel work is, at least | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | so it qualifies as a open device | 10:14 |
| mece | i'll try it. | 10:14 |
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| decibyte | artemma: are you still working on the daily wallpaper thing? | 10:49 |
| artemma | decibyte: yep. Yet another update is in ovi store QA queue for several days already | 10:49 |
| decibyte | artemma: okay. i really look forward to some bugfixes, making at actually work :) | 10:50 |
| artemma | now schedule almost works :) | 10:50 |
| artemma | I still mess-up somewhere | 10:50 |
| decibyte | what about missing images, resulting in black wallpaper? | 10:51 |
| artemma | but now only reboot probably | 10:51 |
| artemma | decibyte: that's fixed in the current public version already | 10:51 |
| decibyte | hmm... not mine :( | 10:51 |
| artemma | only *on * reboot | 10:51 |
| decibyte | i even just checked for updates | 10:51 |
| artemma | hmm.. update should have fixed everything.. | 10:52 |
| decibyte | 1.0? | 10:52 |
| artemma | try uninstalling manually - maybe just update doesn\t clean everything.. | 10:52 |
| artemma | 1.0.3 | 10:52 |
| artemma | or 1.0.4 | 10:52 |
| decibyte | okay. i'll try to force update it somehow... | 10:52 |
| decibyte | hm. if i go to ovi store and find it, there's an update button. does anybody know why it doesn't show up if i go to settings > manage applications > updates (and push the check for updates button)? | 10:54 |
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| decibyte | artemma: i got the 1.0.3 now. just enabled and waiting for it to change in an hour :) | 10:57 |
| artemma | when you switch autoupdate from off to on, update will happen immediately | 10:58 |
| artemma | in 1.0.4 u'll see message about it in the event feed | 10:58 |
| decibyte | yeah, i noticed | 10:58 |
| decibyte | the event feed notice was there since 1.0? | 10:58 |
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| artemma | decibyte: in 1.0 notification was telling abt when everything completed | 11:14 |
| artemma | in 1.0.4 - more notes | 11:14 |
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| djszapi | Sput, merlin1991 http://dot.kde.org/2011/11/30/kde-harmattan-sprint-makes-advances-mobile-space :) | 11:24 |
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| djszapi | gri: ohh UiConstants.DefaultMargin is available only from 1.1 | 12:08 |
| gri | djszapi: That's why I always have these ugly absolute path includes to .js files in my code :( | 12:09 |
| djszapi | so it is probably available for PR 1.2 hopefully | 12:10 |
| spenap | are there figures on the % of devices running 1.0 against those running 1.1? | 12:10 |
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| stroughtonsmith | So… is there any way to update my N9 to PR1.1 without having to use navifirm? Also: any particular reason the update hasn't rolled out globally yet, or is there something broken on my fw? :( | 12:33 |
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| djszapi | stroughtonsmith: you can use the nokia Software Update on windows. | 13:18 |
| djszapi | stroughtonsmith: I tried to ask them why the PR 1.1 is not published, but no answers yet :/ | 13:18 |
| stroughtonsmith | djszapi: software update? Uh, that didn't go so well for me | 13:19 |
| stroughtonsmith | doesn't work on Mac either | 13:19 |
| djszapi | NSU is not available for Mac | 13:19 |
| stroughtonsmith | ? it is… | 13:19 |
| djszapi | no, it is not: "It’s free to download and use. It runs on Windows 7, Windows Vista and Windows XP." | 13:21 |
| rantom | http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-software-updater-for-mac | 13:21 |
| stroughtonsmith | I've been using it, it certainly exists :P It's the only thing I've ever updated my N8/E7 with | 13:21 |
| stroughtonsmith | doesn't support the N9 or N950 tho :/ | 13:22 |
| rantom | If Nokia's Mac-devs will be smart they'll add the N9(50) support to the final product since the Nokia Link supports N9+950 already | 13:23 |
| djszapi | interesting, they do not document it at the product support: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/device-software-update?N9= | 13:23 |
| stroughtonsmith | yeah | 13:23 |
| stroughtonsmith | and the software updater I downloaded for windows from the nokia site goes into an update-on-launch loop | 13:23 |
| djszapi | the mac updater is under "betalabs" and "apps", weird. | 13:24 |
| stroughtonsmith | can't use it at all, cause it won't run without updating, and the update fails | 13:24 |
| djszapi | is it stable ? | 13:24 |
| rantom | djszapi: It's a release candidate, why would they? | 13:24 |
| djszapi | in that case, I would really go for the Windows version | 13:24 |
| stroughtonsmith | ^ | 13:24 |
| stroughtonsmith | so I'm kinda stuck on PR1.0 | 13:25 |
| djszapi | if the mac version is not stable yet. | 13:25 |
| stroughtonsmith | is it guaranteed that all N9s will eventually get it OTA? Or are there known issues with firmware update URLs or whatever | 13:25 |
| rantom | I wouldn't expect it to become stable anytime soon | 13:25 |
| rantom | Nokia's been terrible when it comes to providing OS X applications of their software | 13:26 |
| stroughtonsmith | they've got better lately, with the Qt SDK and updater | 13:26 |
| rantom | IIRC the NSU for Mac was mentioned for the first time in 2008 | 13:26 |
| rantom | We got it in 2011 | 13:26 |
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| rantom | Yeah, Nokia Link is a good(ish) example | 13:26 |
| stroughtonsmith | unfortunately we're back to requiring windows again for the wp7 sdk | 13:26 |
| stroughtonsmith | even tho you can now sync with a mac and wp7 easily | 13:27 |
| rantom | Doesn't seem to support symbols though on song names | 13:27 |
| djszapi | at any rate, I have just added these pagse to the landing page. Others might not need to look for it too much | 13:27 |
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| djszapi | rantom: what do you mean by Nokia Link ? | 13:39 |
| rantom | djszapi: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-link | 13:41 |
| rantom | djszapi: In short: sync music/photos/videos to your Nokia-device (supports N9 and N950) from your computer or vice versa | 13:42 |
| rantom | I'd like to see it support contacts sync though too since there's no iSync in Lion | 13:43 |
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| djszapi | ahh I see. | 13:43 |
| rantom | (still running in Snow Leopard, I'll avoid Lion as long as possible) | 13:43 |
| djszapi | sorry for the different type of question, but have you ever tried to install kdelibs on your Mac ? | 13:44 |
| rantom | No | 13:44 |
| rantom | I had MacFuse a few times but got rid of it since I could replace what it brought to me without it (e.g. better FTP-support for Finder -> ExpanDrive) | 13:45 |
| rantom | And MacPorts but same story | 13:45 |
| rantom | djszapi: How come? | 13:46 |
| djszapi | rantom: I had more Google Code-In students for helping me with Mac builds of our softwares, but nobody took a full build yet with kdelibs | 13:47 |
| djszapi | I am just curious how hard it can be. | 13:47 |
| djszapi | sadly, I can only have permanent access to Windows, Linux and mobile platforms, no real Mac permanently. | 13:47 |
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| rantom | Unfortunately I have no experience in building and coding so I think I'd be less than helpful, for now | 13:55 |
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| xarcass | djszapi: I have permanent access to mac (unfortunately, I hate the damned thing) and I might have enough experience in building, so I could give it a try. where should I begin? | 13:58 |
| djszapi | excellent :) Note, building kdelibs might be painful: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/KDE_on_Mac_OS_X | 13:59 |
| djszapi | but if you have questions, lfranchi can help on #kde-mac | 14:00 |
| xarcass | djszapi: painful? I'm not going to build them by hand: I have a computer for such mindless and repetitive tasks | 14:00 |
| djszapi | yes, kdelibs is a monster :P Until kde frameworks. | 14:01 |
| xarcass | djszapi: well, if that's only a matter of time, I've plenty of this shit | 14:04 |
| djszapi | time, and such a big project might contain uncaught pitfalls. | 14:04 |
| xarcass | djszapi: as usual. I think there's nothing left that could surprise me. maybe, only building 1G+ sources without a single warning.. | 14:06 |
| djszapi | :) I think warningless state is almost impossible even if you do everything nice, mainly with some gcc sompiler. | 14:07 |
| djszapi | compiler* | 14:07 |
| xarcass | djszapi: in my projects it's an unbreakable law: "Treat warnings as errors" and I apply very cruel kinds of punishment to my colleagues who break it. they keep trying though.. | 14:10 |
| djszapi | xarcass: I can show you 2 warnings I investigated for days, so did Thiago and others | 14:10 |
| djszapi | we could not nuke it, but if you can well...I am happy :) | 14:11 |
| xarcass | djszapi: well, there are bugs in the compiler some times, then it's acceptable to wrap this piece of code in pragmas to prevent warnings, but url to the compiler ticket is required in comments in this case. maybe, it's too strong, but I feel much more comfortable this way | 14:13 |
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| djszapi | xarcass: there were no pragmas to hide it | 14:13 |
| djszapi | xarcass: just very nasty ones... Like commenting out the whole file | 14:14 |
| djszapi | or putting the class method into an entirely separate file | 14:14 |
| djszapi | and I would not mess up the codebase for maintenance hardness because of some gcc bug | 14:15 |
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| xarcass | djszapi: well, maybe I haven't seen all the bugs, but in my experience warnings almost always mean something, i.e..someone has neglected coding culture | 14:22 |
| * xarcass isn't kinda Hitler at all, even though many people think so | 14:23 | |
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| djszapi | xarcass: you are welcome to help: http://my.cdash.org/viewBuildError.php?type=1&buildid=265157 | 14:24 |
| xarcass | djszapi: I'll be thinking about this, while libs are being built: my brain dumped core trying to parse warning message | 14:28 |
| djszapi | xarcass: another one from other project: http://my.cdash.org/viewBuildError.php?type=1&buildid=265162 | 14:31 |
| djszapi | I fixed the warning by pragmas with a long commit message about the bugreport and everything, but I found that, I would not mess up the code | 14:32 |
| djszapi | https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5915 | 14:33 |
| xarcass | djszapi: well, I may only say that gcc people are lucky that I'm not in their team :) I also hate to depend on other's people work. | 14:37 |
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| djszapi | if anybody is interested later, I have just written a FindMeegoTouch.cmake module for finding it and fill in the relevant variables. | 15:06 |
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| jonni | sourcecode.request promised to snail mail me the dvd of pr1.1 sources, nice, should arrive soon.... | 15:33 |
| djszapi | you can get it internally anyway :) | 15:34 |
| jonni | but I only have freedom to publish compiled kernel after I have got it externally :) | 15:35 |
| Corsac | uh, isn't the n9 screen supposed to be gorilla glass or something? | 15:36 |
| djszapi | did you break it ? :p | 15:36 |
| Corsac | no, but I have a scratch I don't know how I made it | 15:37 |
| djszapi | I think it was aegis :p | 15:37 |
| dm8tbr | well it's tough glass, but you sure can scratch it if you try hard:) | 15:37 |
| Corsac | I didn't try hard | 15:38 |
| Corsac | it's usually in my pocket, with no keys or stuff like that | 15:38 |
| Corsac | and it's pretty recent, I would have noticed, it's pretty visible :/ | 15:42 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I have found that the Neo FreeRunner carrying pouch fits the N950 perfectly - should also work for the N9 due to similar size :) | 15:44 |
| Jare_ | ehh, nokia won't add an ability to call directly to a sip uri, because it's a "non-trivial task" :/ | 15:46 |
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| jreznik | M4rtinK: /me wanted to get one but then decided it's better to give it to people who attended Openmobility :) | 15:46 |
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| M4rtinK | well, now I'm really glad I got one at that occasion :) | 15:47 |
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| Corsac | (btw I assume scratched screens aren't covered by warranty?) | 15:57 |
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| Jare_ | i think there's an ongoing battle against nokia about scratched screens | 16:04 |
| Jare_ | at least there are quite many people on some forums, who argue that the screen has been scratched too easily | 16:05 |
| Corsac | what puzzles me is that I really don't know how it got scratched | 16:06 |
| Corsac | because I agree, it usually doesnt scratch easily | 16:06 |
| Corsac | so I guess there were some special circumstances | 16:07 |
| Corsac | but which? | 16:07 |
| decibyte | exopc | 16:08 |
| decibyte | oops. wrong channel :) | 16:08 |
| Corsac | (though it's also a handtec device which may be part of the “bad” batch, I have some unexplained reboots a bit too often, though it's not sure if it's really hardware related so I didn't ask for anything yet) | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's glass, any hard thing caught against the screen risks it. | 16:08 |
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| Corsac | yeah, but I usually don't put hard things against the screen | 16:11 |
| Corsac | and I can definitely say there wasn't anything special happening today | 16:11 |
| djszapi | Corsac: hope, you can have some warranty related software issues, like pixel ones. Would Nokia change in that case ? | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:12 |
| djszapi | replace* | 16:12 |
| djszapi | warranty related issues* | 16:12 |
| Corsac | I don't parse your sentence :/ | 16:13 |
| djszapi | well, if you get some pixel issue or other breakage which is covered by the nokia guarantee, your phone would probably be replaced. | 16:13 |
| Jare_ | if they only could use sapphire glass on those screens ;) | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Sapphire or diamond would be awesome! | 16:17 |
| Jare_ | my ten year old wrist watch has even been in the army with me and yet the sapphire glass doesn't have a single scratch on it | 16:18 |
| deram | is there yet knowledge on how hard it is to change N9 screen glass? | 16:19 |
| deram | is it glued on or something? | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | deram: it is one thing. | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | deram: No way you get those apart. | 16:20 |
| Jare_ | it's not hard to change, but the glass is glued to the amoled display, so it's quite expensive part | 16:20 |
| deram | omg | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if you can put a screen protector on. | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | I don't get why people complain, really. Those resistive screens scratched a lot easier. | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately likely to be probelmatic. | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Because a screen protector was easy to add. | 16:21 |
| deram | there were protectors for those.. | 16:21 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: you would also be frustrated if your expensive phone breaks in that mood :p | 16:21 |
| Jare_ | to be exact the display assy costs 149eur | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | Well, the polycarbonate is gives whole other problems. | 16:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Jare_: is there a parts store? | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is that from an official nokia .... | 16:23 |
| Jare_ | SpeedEvil: in finland yes, i don't about other countries | 16:24 |
| Jare_ | +know | 16:24 |
| flux | speedevil, there are screen protecting films for n9 as well | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | When your device drops, it bounces. Giving all stress to the glass :) | 16:24 |
| djszapi | so what is the cheapest way of protecting the screen ? | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | 770 pouch :) | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | A case. | 16:25 |
| djszapi | best* | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | That is what I use :) | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Use it only in a clean-room. | 16:25 |
| djszapi | btw, how about the N950 regarding this ? | 16:25 |
| Corsac | well, I do have the silicon case, but that wont protect the screen :) | 16:26 |
| Jare_ | there's a leather case for n9: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/carrying-cases-and-style/carrying-cases/nokia-carrying-case-cp-553-for-nokia-n9 | 16:26 |
| flux | quite stylish, but it doesn't show it opened | 16:27 |
| xmlich02 | hi, have anyone experience with adding an xmpp account? Just by installing of the https://github.com/yipdw/harmattan-jabber-account/ seems to be incomplete | 16:28 |
| Jare_ | or you could buy a screen protector. IIRC zagg had one which covered the whole glass | 16:28 |
| djszapi | xmlich02: the author said it is still incomplete. | 16:29 |
| deram | easiest way to get scratches is to leave it upside down on table.. there is always some hard dust to scratch it | 16:30 |
| Jare_ | flux: that's like a pouch, so it might be a bit inconvenient in some situations | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed deram. | 16:31 |
| xmlich02 | i found also this discussion http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80501 , but i am not able to install sqlite3 | 16:31 |
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| gri | how long does this stupid maintainance at projects.developer.nokia.com take? it's about two days now ... | 16:32 |
| gri | without any notice why and how long | 16:32 |
| djszapi | write them I guess ? | 16:33 |
| Corsac | deram: yeah, that's my best bet on what happened, but I find it really surprising | 16:33 |
| macmaN | re harmattan stuff, does anyone here happen to know if this procedure of getting n9 real golf 2011 installed on n950 could be applied to get skype ui installed on n950? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1131449&postcount=69 | 16:36 |
| djszapi | does not seem to be golf specific | 16:43 |
| gri | djszapi: Sure but I'm lazy and atleast a small blog post telling us "we start maintainance at 30th november until xx" would be great instead of just doing it without any notice | 16:44 |
| djszapi | but as he says, issues might come p | 16:44 |
| djszapi | up* | 16:44 |
| djszapi | gri: I agree and that is why I tried to help you with proceeding... | 16:44 |
| macmaN | djszapi: hmmm can you suggest which package i could try installing | 16:45 |
| djszapi | macmaN: please ask someone with production device | 16:46 |
| djszapi | I do not have mine here. | 16:46 |
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| macmaN | np | 16:48 |
| macmaN | djszapi: lol apt-get install accounts-plugin-skype seems to have succeeded :> lets see what happened in ui | 16:57 |
| macmaN | its there! | 16:58 |
| macmaN | woot woot :> | 16:58 |
| tomma | i tried n9 pr 1.0 or earlier version with n950 pr 1.0 and it did show in accounts and had working ui etc but logging didn't work | 16:59 |
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| macmaN | the existing mc-tool'd account doesnt show up | 16:59 |
| macmaN | im gonna try removing that | 16:59 |
| tomma | tell if it works as it should =) | 17:00 |
| macmaN | or just restarting | 17:00 |
| macmaN | restart didnt have an effect | 17:04 |
| macmaN | gotta go mc-tooling | 17:04 |
| macmaN | tomma: ui launched, all seems fine :> | 17:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | did Nokia sneak CarrierIQ stuff into Harmattan? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | no, just goatse | 17:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 17:11 |
| * TSCHAKeee found out that an android unit he was using had it on there | 17:11 | |
| decibyte | really? | 17:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | am so fucking pissed. | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | 1984, eh | 17:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | that ALONE is the reason for me to push the N9 like crazy | 17:12 |
| hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: it was well knows since android came out that Google will become more evil and track more stuff | 17:18 |
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| deram | technically it was not google that put the software in the phones... at least that is what I have read in news | 17:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's the carriers | 17:19 |
| deram | the same arriers, which have been the block to get nokia phones sold in US | 17:20 |
| deram | +c | 17:20 |
| hiemanshu | carriers can track stuff either ways | 17:20 |
| deram | yes. but not that detailed without those appps | 17:21 |
| luke-jr | dunno, probably the carriers just saw an overview of legit statistics… I'd blame the company that sold it to them | 17:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | well, no matter what, you're going to get location data from towers | 17:21 |
| luke-jr | I mean, there's obviously a 3rd party doing it, or else it'd be a single carrier | 17:21 |
| luke-jr | why hasn't anyone figured out what that party is? | 17:22 |
| hiemanshu | they have, they just aren't bringing it out in the open, for monies | 17:22 |
| macmaN | welp, enjoy skype ui on n950: http://goo.gl/jc6OW | 17:25 |
| deram | macmaN: is that username-password pair in that url specific to device or common to all? | 17:26 |
| macmaN | as far as i have seen, everybody has the same | 17:26 |
| macmaN | i thought about the same thing | 17:26 |
| * TSCHAKeee wonders why the hell Video calling regressed from the N900 | 17:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | Video calling worked on the n900? | 17:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've used it a couple times | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - skype | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and SIP | 17:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 17:29 |
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| luke-jr | and XMPP | 17:43 |
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| djszapi | macmaN: so is the skype useful in general (not N950 and current issue question) ? Someone said earlier it had some troubles | 18:38 |
| Milhouse | djszapi: been working fine for me on n950 | 18:38 |
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| Milhouse | djszapi (using plugin from n9 repo) | 18:39 |
| djszapi | so you can make longer call, proper streaming, no voice cut and so on ? | 18:39 |
| macmaN | djszapi: totally useful! quite key additions to ui. | 18:39 |
| macmaN | oh that i dont know, ive been only using text so far. | 18:39 |
| Milhouse | djszapi: yep, had a 30 minute skype call from uk to greece yesterday | 18:39 |
| djszapi | how about the quality ? | 18:39 |
| Milhouse | djszapi: good | 18:39 |
| macmaN | my pre-n9-plugin call sessions were also problem free | 18:40 |
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| djszapi | how about longer conference calls with more people ? | 18:40 |
| Milhouse | does it do conf calls? | 18:41 |
| Milhouse | qtop | 18:42 |
| djszapi | I would definitely need it. | 18:42 |
| Milhouse | oops | 18:42 |
| djszapi | if possible. | 18:42 |
| djszapi | at least conference chat was possible some time ago. | 18:43 |
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| djszapi | is it possible to add an account with the current harmattab jabber account plugin codebase ? | 19:08 |
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| macmaN | i just added the google talk account | 19:32 |
| macmaN | not seeing general xmpp cabability | 19:32 |
| faenil | is there any news about pr 1.2? | 19:32 |
| macmaN | follow #n950 on twitter | 19:34 |
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| daniel_o | Good morning.. | 19:44 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | GApp is great when it actually works | 20:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | makes searching for transit directions easier | 20:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | is it just a qml web interface with a custom useragent? | 20:45 |
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| djszapi | gri: meh, FindMeegoTouch.cmake module writing is not enough for an accouns plugin, but also FindAccount*.cmake :P | 21:11 |
| djszapi | mmmm, I cannot seem to find the libaccounts-ui1 package in the public repository for downloading. | 21:13 |
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| gri | it is there | 21:18 |
| gri | I used it | 21:18 |
| gri | atleast for testing code :) | 21:18 |
| djszapi | gri: can you give me a link ? I do not see it for some reason. | 21:29 |
| gri | I just did dpkg-cache search accounts | 21:31 |
| djszapi | you mean apt-cache :) | 21:32 |
| gri | yes | 21:32 |
| gri | mulled wine increases typos | 21:32 |
| djszapi | I have internal repositories set up, thus if I need something outside, I normally download it from the website. Hence, asking for the link. | 21:32 |
| gri | (20:19:13) gri: boah ey | 21:33 |
| gri | (20:19:24) gri: meine mutter bringt mich noch zum ausrasten | 21:33 |
| gri | (20:19:55) gri: da hab ich sie extra gestern in der arbeit angerufen, um mit ihr auszumachen, dass ich morgen in ihre wohnung geh und die xbox von meinem bruder überprüf, was da so installiert is | 21:33 |
| gri | (20:20:05) gri: extra in der arbeit, damit er nix mitbekommt | 21:33 |
| gri | (20:20:30) gri: und eben ruft sie mich von daheim an, um mir eigentlich nix zu sagen und fängt in jedem zweiten satz an mit "und wenn du dann morgen kommst ..." !!!!!!!!!!! | 21:33 |
| gri | (20:20:35) gri: und ich bekomm fast nen anfall | 21:33 |
| gri | (20:20:47) gri: und mein die ganze zeit, sie soll einfach ruhig sein und kein wort davon erwähnen | 21:33 |
| djszapi | and I do not see it on the public repository. | 21:33 |
| djszapi | can you then share the debian package ? | 21:33 |
| gri | crappy clipboard | 21:33 |
| daniel_o | funny story, though :D | 21:34 |
| gri | yeah, really for the public ... | 21:34 |
| daniel_o | :D | 21:34 |
| gri | djszapi: I have libaccounts-ui-dev, libaccounts-ui0, libaccountsplugin-dev, libaccountsplugin0 | 21:35 |
| djszapi | the first one I need | 21:35 |
| djszapi | and probably the relevant library... | 21:35 |
| djszapi | ui0 | 21:35 |
| djszapi | I have never understood why there is no url getting option for deb tools, like for arch/pacman | 21:36 |
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| gri | daniel_o: damn, it pasted all lines except of one even though I closed the irc client very fast | 21:36 |
| gri | djszapi: armel I assume? | 21:37 |
| gri | or both? | 21:37 |
| djszapi | I would need all of them. For some reasons, I do not have them in apt-cache search... | 21:37 |
| djszapi | but please try to get the url of them somehow, for instance dpkg -I | 21:38 |
| gri | want my sources.list? | 21:38 |
| daniel_o | :D that's why i started using notepad before, to try pasting :D i'm very cautious about it, i copy passwords a lot :D | 21:38 |
| djszapi | gri: no, I would not be glad of messing up the public with internal | 21:38 |
| djszapi | that would result an entire reinstalling at some point. | 21:39 |
| gri | djszapi: I meant for researching the download address | 21:39 |
| gri | or is there some command that tells me where the package comes from? | 21:39 |
| djszapi | sadly, not by default... | 21:39 |
| gri | daniel_o: german? :D Otherwise you'd not understood it :P | 21:39 |
| daniel_o | yep :P | 21:40 |
| gri | djszapi: how to find out then? | 21:40 |
| djszapi | gri: no real clue... | 21:40 |
| djszapi | it is pacman -Wp package on arch, or something simple like that | 21:41 |
| gri | my sources.list only has 3 lines | 21:42 |
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| gri | deb & deb-src for harmattan-dev.nokia.com harmattan/sdk free non-free | 21:42 |
| gri | and deb harmattan-dev.nokia.com harmattan/<somehash> nokia-binaries | 21:42 |
| gri | daniel_o: Somewhere in bavaria? | 21:43 |
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| daniel_o | gri: nope, Hamburg, but at the moment, Canada :) | 21:45 |
| gri | working in foreign countries seems to be in :P | 21:46 |
| djszapi | gri: apt-get install --print-uris | 21:46 |
| daniel_o | :) | 21:47 |
| gri | aha, libaccounts-ui-dev is deprecated and replaced by libnaccounts-ui-dev (nokia accounts) and libaccountplugin-dev | 21:47 |
| djszapi | I thought libnaccounts-ui-dev is closed | 21:48 |
| gri | yay, have the url but can't copy it out of vmware since it's stupid | 21:50 |
| gri | opening the url in firefox does also not work | 21:50 |
| gri | ah | 21:51 |
| gri | they removed old packages and my scratchbox vm did not apt-get update for a longer time | 21:51 |
| djszapi | send it in mail to you :p | 21:51 |
| gri | apt-get install can't even download the file | 21:51 |
| gri | so there must be a newer one | 21:51 |
| djszapi | gri: definitely, your packageset is rather different to mine :p | 21:51 |
| gri | now I also have a libaccounts-loginstorage, whatever this is but sounds cool | 21:52 |
| djszapi | well that is obviously for storage :P | 21:53 |
| djszapi | gri: I have this according to the apt-cache search: libaccounts-ui1 | 21:54 |
| djszapi | though I find it nowhere manually. | 21:54 |
| gri | am I allowed to paste this url to a pastebin? | 21:54 |
| gri | I don't think so, right? | 21:54 |
| djszapi | why not ? | 21:55 |
| djszapi | don't you use public rpeository ? | 21:55 |
| gri | well, it's from nokia-binaries | 21:55 |
| gri | but public | 21:55 |
| gri | though I had to click some "I accept this" when installing the sdk | 21:55 |
| djszapi | ahhh that is why I did not find under free | 21:55 |
| djszapi | well, you would block me at least :P | 21:56 |
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| djszapi | but I do not see why it would be hurty if it is in the public SDK | 21:56 |
| djszapi | mainly if binary, and not source. | 21:56 |
| djszapi | but if you are worried, send the package to me, or I will do it tomorrow, and I suspend this task... | 21:57 |
| gri | http://pastebin.com/ScwHc7nz | 21:57 |
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| djszapi | it is sad I cannot access the Nokia repository outside :/ | 21:59 |
| hiemanshu | ofc not | 22:00 |
| djszapi | it actually sometimes even blocks the work when I work remotely. | 22:01 |
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| djszapi | gri: it needs libsignon-qt-dev :P | 22:03 |
| djszapi | and that is probably also nokia binary | 22:03 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libs/ | 22:03 |
| gri | when I want to install it, it tells me it needs about ~30 other libs :P | 22:03 |
| djszapi | oh: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/s/signon/ | 22:03 |
| djszapi | hefty | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | there's a beta3 now? | 22:05 |
| djszapi | for a quite while, yes ;) | 22:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | wait, what's the version #? | 22:06 |
| * TSCHAKeee currently seems to be running PR1.1 2.2011.39-5) | 22:07 | |
| djszapi | gri: you did not actually send the libaccounts-ui1 | 22:07 |
| gri | this one does not exist here | 22:08 |
| djszapi | not even uo0 ? | 22:08 |
| djszapi | ui0* | 22:08 |
| gri | I had the 0 but apt told me now it got replaced by libaccountplugin0 and libnaccounts-ui0 | 22:09 |
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| djszapi | libaccountplugin-dev is ok | 22:10 |
| djszapi | I need to write: FindAccountsUi.cmake and probably FindSignon.cmake too mmm | 22:10 |
| gri | does your internal sdk have opengl support in xephyr? :P | 22:12 |
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| * djszapi does not use SDKs | 22:12 | |
| gri | what then? | 22:13 |
| djszapi | scratchbox | 22:13 |
| gri | well that's what I was referring to | 22:13 |
| gri | scratchbox is a sdk variant (atleast on the website) | 22:13 |
| djszapi | I have installed scratchbox long ago Nokia has ever published any SDKs for Harmattan | 22:13 |
| djszapi | (same with Android) | 22:14 |
| djszapi | and I still use the same scratchbox; robust enough. | 22:14 |
| gri | my sdks all run seperately in their own vm, so I can copy them from machine to machine :) | 22:15 |
| djszapi | but I use sb only with cli since I always had a gadget around me | 22:15 |
| gri | so how do you test then? on the device only? | 22:17 |
| djszapi | I must admit, I am quite happy with scratchbox. Same workflow works for Android as well | 22:17 |
| djszapi | yes, only device | 22:18 |
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| Jare_ | if anyone is searching for an alternative to those screen protector films, i can recommend this http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/carrying-cases-and-style/carrying-cases/nokia-carrying-case-cp-571-for-nokia-n9 | 22:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 23:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | damn you nokia | 23:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | qt creator needs libpng12 exactly | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | like 1.5 is not good enuf | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: nonsense | 23:05 |
| luke-jr | I have 1.5.5 and it works fine | 23:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i installed 1.2 too and it works now too | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | but before | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | $ ./bin/qtcreator | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | ./bin/qtcreator: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | sounds like you need to recompile. | 23:08 |
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| luke-jr | or better yet, use the Qt Creator packaged for your OS | 23:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: for my Os is not good idea | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | i used installer from nokia site | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: that's the problem. | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | when you run a sane OS (Linux-based), you need to use packages made for it. | 23:15 |
| macmaN | well whoever was asking about nokia developer being down | 23:16 |
| macmaN | just got a security message about password being reset | 23:16 |
| macmaN | so they obviously had a security breach of some sort | 23:17 |
| djszapi | gri: the account libraries are full of inconsistent regarding the terms. It is once accounts, once account, then against accounts, and then again account | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | pwned =) | 23:17 |
| djszapi | again* | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i use funtoo | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: then you shoudl be compiling it from the ebuild. | 23:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: last time i tried it didn't work properly | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | wfm | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | but I'm on Gentoo | 23:19 |
| javispedro | seems that developer.nokia.com passwords got compromised? | 23:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: and you did compiled it? | 23:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | compile it? | 23:19 |
| javispedro | anyone got an email about it? | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: again? | 23:19 |
| macmaN | javispedro: i just wrote about it two minutes ago | 23:19 |
| javispedro | sorry then, stupid chanlogs 5-minute sampling period =) | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: yes | 23:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: simultor and everything works properly? | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: tbh, I don't use it, so no idea :D | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | I was looking for a debugger | 23:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: do you mind to share you use flags? | 23:21 |
| javispedro | the problem is all the propietary stuff such as madde, etc. | 23:21 |
| vadimq | Jare_: does that case actually stay in place if the phone falls? I got the N900 official case and the couple times I dropped it, it managed to fly off. Also it's falling to pieces. | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: I don't want to flood IRC? :P | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/515537/ | 23:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: why do you have japanese support and your system is mess man =) | 23:23 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: why not? | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | not a mess, just configured :P | 23:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: why do you have all flags in make.conf? | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: that's where they belong | 23:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: /etc/portage/packages.use | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | that's for per-package overrides. | 23:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i know that's why i have only few in make.conf | 23:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: QEMU_* is for emulator i assume | 23:29 |
| luke-jr | yep | 23:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: would you mind to share flags only for creator? (eix qt-creator |wgetpaste) | 23:34 |
| luke-jr | Installed versions: 2.2.1{tbz2}(16:30:45 04/09/11)(bazaar bineditor bookmarks cmake git linguas_ja qml qtscript rss subversion -cvs -debug -doc -examples -fakevim -linguas_cs -linguas_de -linguas_es -linguas_fr -linguas_hu -linguas_it -linguas_pl -linguas_ru -linguas_sl -linguas_uk -linguas_zh_CN -mercurial -perforce) | 23:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: do you mind me asking what DE/WM u use? | 23:43 |
| Jare_ | vadimq: i'm not going to do any experimental testing, but it feels quite secure, so i suppose it would stay in place in small falls. I just bought this, but the price wasn't that high, so i'm perfectly okay if have to buy a new one after two or three years | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (Nokia security breach) wonder why I'm not surprised at all | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | vadimq: Falling off can be good. | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: they didn't run AEGIS on their servers | 23:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | vadimq: It can absorb energy from the collision that would otherwise go into bending your n900 | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'm not sure Aegis would've stopped any of that | 23:47 |
| Jare_ | what breach and where? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all Aegis also is just a tool, like ACL and file permissions and firewalls are | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus it's a really complex hard to handle tool, that obviously not even the developers of it can set up in a completely correct and safe and useful way, at least not "initially" (for whatever meaning of that term, given it's in use for way longer than 6 months now) | 23:50 |
| luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: KDE of course | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe they weren't involved at all in training and documentation and integration of aegis, and so it's somebody else's fault when aegis permission and aegis documentation are extremely poor and sub-par | 23:52 |
| djszapi | KDE ftw :P | 23:53 |
| gri | Is projects.developer.nokia.com like sony? Got hacked but as long no one knows, no one can complain? :D That long downtime without announcment makes me believe this :P | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: why of course (though i saw plasma there | 23:53 |
| gri | "Your Nokia Developer account password has been reset as a precautionary security measure." makes me even more believe this :D | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i do use xfce4 as main on PC and learning awesome on laptop | 23:56 |
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