IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-10-20

ieatlinthow do you enable swype?00:00
ieatlinti mean, i have it turned on, but the old keyboard is all that comes up00:01
kimjuieatlint, swipe left/right in the vkb area00:04
Milhouseswipe from the right to the left on the keyboard - it should change to swype00:04
ieatlintah, indeed00:05
ieatlintthanks :)00:05
ieatlintweird no skype00:07
DocScrutinizermoo javispedro - how's life?00:07
javispedrowell, as usual...00:07
ieatlintalso, it's not the least bit confusing i'm using a keyboard called swype in a ui called swipe and complaining i don't have skype00:07
javispedroWas reading this
ieatlintthere needs to be a skipe00:08
javispedroieatlint: ok, I will see to fix that ASAP00:08
ieatlintplease post the cease and desist when you get it00:08
mjahw kbd + terminal + swype vrt kbd not working great00:09
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mjastart terminal with hw keyboard, then close it and I'm not seeing swype kbd pop up00:09
mja(close hw kbd I mean)00:10
scifigDoes mounting N950 filesystem via sshfs work? Now that root login disabled in PR 1.1. Sorry, I am not at home and don't have a linux box to test.00:10
ieatlintmja: i can confirm this behaviour00:11
crevetorAfter upgrading my N950 I get this :00:11
crevetorRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify00:11
crevetor/usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify: Could not read RD cert (-3)00:11
crevetorSo no root access via ssh00:11
mjaieatlint: great, I'll look into reporting it tomo unless you make it first00:11
ieatlintif you use the hkb with terminal, you can't get the vkb back00:12
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mjaieatlink: that pretty much sums it up00:12
javispedrocrevetor: I have to ponder which kind of diagnosis path made you deduce that? =)00:12
ieatlintmja: if you press the menu key, it fixes it00:12
ieatlintpress menu key, close menu, vkb pops up00:12
ieatlintreport the bug :)00:13
ieatlintbut at least there's a workaround that doesn't require exiting terminal00:13
mjayeah seems to fix it00:13
mjabut leaves only top 7 rows in operation00:13
mjaand I'm not seeing the toolbar w/ hkbd00:14
crevetorjavispedro: "ps ax" see that ssh daemon was started with permitRootLogin=no check /etc/init/ssh.conf and check why that was00:15
crevetorjavispedro: is there something wrong with that thought process ?00:15
mjahm OK, hit menu button to disable screen and then pop out hkbd, seems to work00:15
apoldoes anybody know what package is supposed to install gstreamer's theoraenc in harmattan?00:17
javispedrocrevetor: post the new ssh.conf00:17
crevetorjavispedro: hold on00:18
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scifigWas just looking at that file ssh.conf. Dumb question, does modifying the file /etc/init/ssh.conf brick the device?00:23
javispedronot that sure about /etc/default/ssh, feel free to brick yours.00:23
crevetorjavispedro: what do you mean ?00:24
javispedrochanging /etc/default/ssh wouldn't break beta2.00:25
crevetorbut changing it in /etc/default/ssh won't fix anything anyways00:25
Milhouseediting /etc/default/ssh won't have any impact. what about this /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify - that seems to be the key...00:25
crevetorMilhouse: yeah and I pasted the output of that command earlier here00:26
crevetorI'm wondering ig enabling r&d mde through flasher would fix that00:26
scifigMilhouse: I am wondering who get's to have that certificate. Just the Nokia devs may be00:26
javispedroyou really should rethink whether changing /etc/default/ssh does not have an impact00:26
Milhouserunning it outputs "Could not read RD cert (-3)" - R&D mode?00:27
javispedroI'm not going to say anything more in case SOMEONE and I'm not pointing fingers to anyone tells me again that because of my fault exploits are being found everywhere00:27
crevetorjavispedro: we could move this discussion to an unlogged channel...00:27
javispedroI really hope that SOMEONE is reading the above discussion, will point it to him when he tells me it's my fault again...00:29
crevetorjavispedro: did someone at nokia say anything to you ?!00:30
javispedrono, not from nokia.00:30
crevetorjavispedro: so who cares ?00:30
ieatlinti can guess what you're suggesting00:31
ieatlintit depends on the behaviour of sshd as to whether that works00:31
javispedroin the meanwhile, I'd never think I'd say this, but Blackberry now raises as a viable opensource friendly company too..00:31
javispedroI cannot believe they ported OpenTTD00:31
crevetorok it doesn't seem to be related to r&d mode :(00:32
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crevetorI'm gonna try and trace /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify00:34
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Milhouseswiping from the swipe key to the +!= key brings up an interesting keyboard00:37
rm_workso, is there already a wiki entry all about the SSU that went out today (2.2011.39-5)?00:37
Milhousesorry, swyping00:37
Milhouseand swype key00:37
ieatlintMilhouse: oooh00:39
ieatlintnice tip00:39
Milhousefound it by accident, then took several minutes to work out what i'd done. :)00:39
ieatlintcrevetor: the stuff is all in /usr/lib/
Milhousestill no help files in this build, it really does seem to be some kind of frankenstien build00:40
crevetorieatlint: so it seems00:40
ieatlintand it's definitely looking for a cert00:40
crevetorand bb5 might refer to some hardware component00:41
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wazdMilhouse:  hmmm00:41
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wazdMilhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)00:41
Milhousecrevetor: bb5 base band 5, locking system on nokia phones00:42
crevetorI don't know it seems to be looking on the MTD partition00:43
ieatlintwell, there's a potential hole... rdc_cert_verify links against /usr/lib/, which is a symlink to
ieatlintand while rdc_cert_verify is protected by aegis, and is, it does not appear the symlink is00:44
ieatlintso you could in theory replace libbb5... but that's a lot of work and risk for root access on ssh00:45
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SpeedEvilIsn't filesystem level replacement pointless if you can't match the hash of libbb*00:45
ieatlintSpeedEvil: yes, but if you leave alone, and just update the symlink of, it should work methinks00:46
SpeedEvilDoesn't it verify what's loaded?00:46
* SpeedEvil should try to understand this in detail at some point.00:47
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DocScrutinizerheh, you're about to hack bb5 now? XD00:48
ieatlintno, i'm not :P00:48
DocScrutinizergood luck00:48
crevetorI'm sure there's a sane explanation to all this00:48
DocScrutinizercrevetor: BB5 is the modem00:49
crevetordocScrutinizer: I know that but maybe they forgot to tell us something...00:50
ieatlintwhich means that replacing libbb5 might get rdc_cert_verify to be happy, but would make a lot of other things very very unhappy00:50
ieatlintunless you did some horrible proxying, which is simply unrealistic00:50
SpeedEvilCan you go back to the current image?00:51
DocScrutinizer...or just get a sane OS, possibly on a sane good hardware ;-P00:51
DocScrutinizernope, I bet you can't00:51
crevetorcould it be an R&D flag &00:51
ieatlinti think you can, because you didn't flash a new image, but updated an existing image00:52
ieatlintbut not sure, and not going to try right now00:52
ieatlintcrevetor: it's checking an actual certificate00:52
DocScrutinizerit's checking the R&D cert that only Nokia devels' devices have00:53
DocScrutinizerwhich allows then to do things on their devices that we mere mortals mustn't do00:53
ieatlintis /etc/default/ssh monitored by aegis?00:53
DocScrutinizerieatlint: see my function for this00:53
* ieatlint wonders what you get from that cert beyond the ability to install internal images and ssh as root00:54
javispedronot on beta2.00:54
javispedroieatlint: on beta1 it was the only way to enter open mode00:54
ieatlintthere was an open mode on beta1? that disabled aegis or what?00:55
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crevetorieatlint: seems it's not, I can modify it00:55
ieatlintcrevetor: uh, write permissions doesn't mean it's not checked00:55
ieatlintcheck if the file is in /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist00:55
DocScrutinizerfor your convenience I'll repeat: may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" || echo "edit if you feel venturous"; }00:55
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ieatlinthaha, yeah00:55
ieatlinti'm not logged in on my phone this second00:56
ieatlintdamn, the wifi hotspot app is still unusable :(00:57
crevetorieatlint: it's not in there...00:57
ieatlintthen see doc's comment00:57
ieatlintand it's an issue of sshd behaviour00:57
* javispedro tries to remove the frigging update available notification00:58
crevetorI might try something but I'll have to backup my data first00:58
macmaNhrm. why does 39-5 all of a sudden say account disabled for facebook00:58
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: tell me how you did it, I'm annoyed by mine as well00:58
rm_workDocScrutinizer: you know what happens if I try to do an OTA upgrade to 2.2011.39-5 that popped up on my device today?00:59
rm_workGeneralAntilles / RST38h: ^^00:59
DocScrutinizerrm_work: I guess you bricked the device?01:00
rm_workhaven't tried it yet :P01:00
rm_workmy rule is, always ask here first!01:00
ieatlinti bricked, had to reflash beta201:00
DocScrutinizerrm_work: I'm on beta1 still01:00
rm_workyeah i'm also still on beta101:00
javispedroIf you try to do an OTA, a grue eats you, and then you die. An offscreen voice asks if you want your possessions identified01:00
* rm_work was *not* eaten by a grue.01:01
* SpeedEvil is on 2.01:01
rm_workis there any actual news / blog post / etc about this update going live?01:02
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* SpeedEvil ponders the most important question. Is Angry Birds available on 3.01:02
DocScrutinizerOMG AB01:02
rm_workor is it just "magically available" with absolutely not a word?01:02
javispedroSpeedEvil: you actually also have some of the EA games01:02
SpeedEvilOh - there are new versions of lots of things, which seem to install.01:03
DocScrutinizerthere's been that "prepare for update! update" blog somewhere01:03
javispedroprepare for update .... do update ... revert update ... prepare for new update ...01:04
DocScrutinizerI'm not even curious enough to check that release_notes for any word about paegis again got worse. I don't care if it's listed or not, I bet it got worse no matter what01:08
ieatlintit doesn't say01:11
ieatlintthere, i ruined it for you01:11
lbtare there any issues about using the beta1 n950 as mass storage on linux?01:11
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javispedrolbt: do not remember a problem, what kind of issues?01:11
lbtwell, it appears in dmesg as usb 5-4: Product: N95001:11
lbtscsi 18:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Nokia    N950             0316 PQ: 0 ANSI: 201:12
lbtsd 18:0:0:0: [sdh] Attached SCSI removable disk01:12
lbtbut won't mount01:12
lbtno partition table01:12
lbtand cfdisk says it can't open it01:12
javispedroit's superfloppy, no partition table01:12
macmaNright ive experienced that01:13
lbtnever heard of superfloppy ... will look - does it need a module?01:13
macmaNbut reconnecting it always made it visible01:13
javispedrolbt: teoretically no, mount -t vfat /dev/sd?  should make it work01:14
lbtmount: special device /dev/sdh does not exist01:14
* lbt is wondering if udev is sad ....01:15
lbtah ... try using the right console...01:15
lbtmount: no medium found on /dev/sdh01:16
javispedrodid you hit "USB Mass Store" on the popup menu in the N950?01:16
lbtI did01:16
DocScrutinizermuhahaha superfloppy01:16
javispedrothat shows up when I don't hit it01:16
javispedroweird, maybe a n950 reboot is in order...01:18
lbtjavispedro: OK - ta....01:18
DocScrutinizerlbt: I'm about to check01:19
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lbtOK - would be interested...01:20
lbtrebooting though01:20
lbtit thinks the time is "3: 0"01:20
DocScrutinizerlbt: no problems at all here: plug in, unlock to get to "mass storage" selector, on PC KDE select "open in filebrowser" from requester popping up01:21
crevetorjavispedro: what was your idea on what to put in /etc/default/ssh ?01:21
javispedrolbt: "minor" font rendering issue01:21
DocScrutinizerlbt: 23:2001:21
DocScrutinizertoday the "2" is your luccky digit01:22
javispedrobeta2 is virtually mandatory maily because eventually you'll not be able to invoke the dialer01:22
lbtI want to boot Nemo01:23
lbtI've spent far too long doing community and infra work without playing on the devices01:23
lbt"not enough power to charge" now01:25
lbtand won't even appear as a usb device :)01:25
lbtyay .. .plug into laptop and it's there :)01:26
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faenilevening! :)01:29
faenilpast midnight actually xD01:30
DocScrutinizerhah, same here on my T900, not even repeated stoping starting of bme and replugs to charger did help. Plug into PC and *voila*01:30
DocScrutinizerfaenil: UGT01:30
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macmaNsup guys02:07
faenilntn? XD02:07
macmaNwho's still on 34-2 and has some twitter and fb items in his feed screen? id like to know something about an issue02:07
macmaNa "add ability to choose custom background image to home screens" idea won first week and n9 device, ridiculous02:11
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artemmaSo N9 has got Skype and N950 hasn't?02:12
pinheiroartemma: its has02:12
pinheiroit has02:12
pinheiroworks fine02:13
macmaNyeah im running skype too, but the damn account ui would be nice02:13
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pinheiro artemma02:13
artemmahmm. I've heard there's skype engine, but no UI without magic02:13
pinheirolook in the botom02:13
macmaNMohammadAG copied UI package files from N9 RDA device02:14
artemmaoh, I though it's about skype chat only02:14
artemma*I thought*02:14
pinheirowell the missing ui bit is rely just the hadding the acount02:14
macmaNi was really hoping for skype ui in this fw update02:14
pinheiroafter you do that it works02:14
pinheirolike the n9 i think02:15
artemmafunny, I wonder what the reason for not including UI is if MohammadAG  was able to just copy files02:15
pinheiroaka no video calls02:15
pinheiro"Note that this is a temporary hack as these services will be properly integrated in future firmware. "02:15
artemmapinheiro: you mean after I do ?02:15
pinheirocontacts work call work im works02:16
artemmadoes it add the same stuff as in UI?02:16
artemmajust wondering02:16
artemmasame UI stuff as in N902:16
pinheirothin so02:16
macmaNbad thing there's no icons and no nothing for the entries02:16
pinheiroi dont have an n902:16
macmaNthere are just some seemingly random usernames in the call dialog02:17
artemmaaha, I am reading about limitations02:17
artemmayeah, probably it will look a little differently02:17
artemmawell, I'll give it a try :)02:17
artemmaprobably it won't support group chat02:17
pinheiroduno havent tried that02:17
artemmaaha, the limitation seems to be that you won't see the online contact status in contacts02:18
macmaN~ # apt-get install account-plugin-skype02:18
macmaNReading package lists... Done02:18
macmaNBuilding dependency tree02:18
macmaNReading state information... Done02:18
artemmaso you need to guess if somebody's online or not02:18
macmaNPackage account-plugin-skype is not available, but is referred to by another package.02:18
pinheiroartemma: nope that i se02:18
pinheiroit tell me if teh contects are online or not02:19
* artemma fires the terminal02:19
pinheiroartemma: best thing to do is to try it02:19
artemmamacmaN: what was that? Were you able to install it via apt-get?02:19
macmaNno, it doesnt find the package02:19
macmaNi also cant find the package that it says refers to account-plugin-skype02:20
macmaNbut im not a apt wizard02:20
pinheiromacmaN: it alrady there02:20
macmaNif it was emerge, i would be game02:20
pinheiroand im a silly dsigner02:20
macmaNiat already there?02:20
pinheiroit is02:20
artemmasilly designers can't start apt-get :)02:20
pinheirofire the terminal and do "mc-tool add spirit/skype skype string:account=skypename string:password=secretpasswordhere"02:21
pinheiroas root02:21
macmaNtelepathy-spirit is already installed also..02:22
macmaNi have no idea why the account-plugin-skype package isnt available02:22
pinheiroreapeat after me02:23
pinheiroit is alrady there02:23
artemmahmm, I ran the mc-tool commands02:24
artemmaworked and.. what's next?02:24
pinheironothing its done02:24
pinheirocheck availability02:25
pinheiroor contacts02:25
pinheironew contacts shoud appear02:25
artemmait took a biy of time02:26
pinheirowecome to skype02:26
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pinheirocaling the skype test numbr does not work02:26
pinheirobut regular contact work fine02:26
artemmafck! it started showing today's chat messages in nitifications! :)02:27
pinheiroskype is like that you can be online in multiple devices02:27
pinheiroso a chat will pop up in your phne02:28
macmaNartemma: separate mobile account is the only way for skype02:28
macmaNotherwise you get killed02:28
pinheiroexageration :D02:28
artemmahmm, I can't see how to call or chat from contacts02:28
pinheironot from contacts02:29
macmaNyes from contacts02:29
pinheirochat from the chat app02:29
artemma? :)02:29
pinheirocall from the phone app02:29
macmaNwait no, i take that back, yes from the phone app02:29
pinheiroyes that part is also missing02:30
artemmafound it02:30
artemmathanks guys02:30
artemmaI wonder if there's a way to fliter just skype or just google contacts02:30
artemmaI've got quite many :)02:30
pinheiromerge them all :D02:31
pinheirothst what i do02:31
pinheiroso i dont care if im caling from skype or gtlak or whatever02:31
macmaNartemma: tap settings -> show02:31
macmaNin contacts02:31
artemmapinheiro: most of my skype contacts don't wnat to see on mobile :)02:31
macmaNalthought in can only choose pb, sim, facebook from there02:31
artemmaand then i have not many skype contacts02:31
artemmaand even if phonebook could filter skype, you still can't call from it02:32
artemmawell, the full integration was not promised by the methof02:32
artemmait's a pity official skype isn't here yet02:32
artemmaseparate skype account for mobile is handy and not handy. I tried this way, takes too much of notification about your too contacts to everybody02:32
artemmaand then again sometimes you are into work stuff on mobile sometimes not02:33
macmaNyep. depends on your contact and multichat count.02:33
artemmareal proper way for skype would be twitter-like lists, So that I could enable/-disable  some lists for desktop/mobile02:33
macmaNno phone can probably handle my main account very well02:33
pinheiroyou guys got alaxy on Fire app on the update?02:34
macmaNunfortunately their sync protocol is the simplest thing ever created02:34
macmaNpinheiro: apt-get install gof202:34
artemmaor N9tish hack could create two "skype filtered" accounts to put on/offline separately :)02:34
artemmawhat's gof2?02:34
macmaNsomething that crashed for me02:34
artemmaBTW, skype group chats seem to work02:35
artemmaHoly Cow: New messages: 30102:35
artemmathat's lock screen note after starting with skype :02:35
macmaNbut i have to say, nfs and gof2 gfx are impressivez02:35
pinheirodid the root pass changed?02:35
* artemma installed that skype under devel-su/rootme02:37
pinheiroshh root@ip no longuer works02:37
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macmaNaight, im out02:42
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rncbci need some help please, re. todays n950 device update02:44
pinheiromaybe we know02:45
rncbcmy n950 got stuck in flight mode and i can't get out of it02:45
rncbcdid restart several times now02:46
pinheiro8second reset?02:46
DocScrutinizerwon't change anything02:46
rncbcalways starts in flight mode. ah. lets try that 8second trick...02:46
DocScrutinizereither the modem is "dead", or the setting got stuck in gconf or whatever is storing it persistently02:47
DocScrutinizerthere's nothing special in 8s-"trick"02:47
DocScrutinizerit just shits down the hw hard way, if OS is frozen02:48
rncbcthe modem is not completely dead. it can do voice calls and receive02:48
DocScrutinizershuts, mut meh, matches as well02:48
DocScrutinizermut beh, but meh02:48
DocScrutinizeryou can do voice calls in flight mode???02:48
rncbcyes, emergency calls as it says02:49
DocScrutinizerso wtf is flight mode then?02:49
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DocScrutinizerit SAYS that02:49
DocScrutinizersounds to me like missing SIM, or SIM PIN not correctly entered02:49
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rncbcyes it says "emergency call" and just tried and it receives calls too02:50
DocScrutinizerit mustn't receive calls in flight mode02:50
DocScrutinizerthere's something thoroughly messed up02:51
rncbcdoes anyone know the default/factory security code of flight mode? i'm stuck with a n950 asking for it02:51
DocScrutinizerI've seen a similar thing for SIP calls, when the account got nuked by apt02:51
DocScrutinizerno idea, I'd try 1234502:52
DocScrutinizernever knew flight mode needs a security code to unlock02:52
rncbcno. 12345 doesn't work. i've tried that several times now02:52
DocScrutinizersounds again like SIM card issue, or account messed up02:53
DocScrutinizeryour problem is not locked up flight mode, that's not flight mode at all02:53
rncbci don't think so, the sim pin code gets accepted alright02:53
DocScrutinizercould somebody check if for disabling flightmode you normally need a code, please?02:54
rncbcand i can do calls and receive, but always through the emergency call dial pad only02:54
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: you do not02:55
ieatlintunless that was just added02:55
DocScrutinizerthought as much02:55
ieatlintrncbc: have you tried removing the sim card and booting the phone?02:55
ieatlintsee if it's still in flight mode?02:55
DocScrutinizercheck this, compare if your problems are faintly similar:
rncbcieatlint: i'll try that...02:56
ieatlintif you turn the phone off in flight mode, it should prompt you on boot whether you want to stay in flight mode or return to normal02:56
pinheirowhat is the name of the pacage for needfor spped02:57
rncbcieatlint: booting now w/o sim card...02:58
rncbcno luck. it kepps asking for damn security code. :(02:59
DocScrutinizerhmmm, apt-cache search account-plugin02:59
DocScrutinizerno plugin for GSM or whatever it might be called03:00
DocScrutinizerSECURITY code?03:00
DocScrutinizeris it actually exactly that?03:01
rncbc"Enter security code" is what it says03:01
DocScrutinizerhmm, what does it say when you lock your device with a device lock code?03:02
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rncbcDocScrutinizer: how can i know? i can't get out of this "enter security code" thing anyway :(03:03
DocScrutinizersettings -> security -> Device Lock -> <check all that>03:03
ieatlinti suggest you go to munich on monday and look for the scrawniest guy with an n950 who doesn't have a lot of people around him and get a replacement phone03:03
DocScrutinizerso it's not the flight mode, it's simply your device got locked?03:04
DocScrutinizerthis would actually explain why you can receive calls and make emergency calls03:04
DocScrutinizerdevice locked is supposed to act that way03:05
rncbcDocScrutinizer: probably, but during the device update it briefly said that it was turned into "flight mode" somehow03:05
DocScrutinizeryeah, it always does that03:05
ieatlintit might enter flight mode during update03:05
DocScrutinizerit stops modem when updating the cellmo fw03:06
DocScrutinizeryou're facing a "simple" device lock03:06
DocScrutinizerlemme check how this actually looks, never used it03:06
ieatlintyeah, i remember there was a way to reset it on the n90003:07
ieatlintmight be similar03:07
DocScrutinizerfor sure not03:08
DocScrutinizersee aegis03:08
ieatlintbut aegis is more about stopping you from fucking with the root system03:08
ieatlintyou're probably right though03:08
rncbcthe screen is divided in 3 parts: top is blue asking "Enter security code", mid is black with a little phone+ button on the left (emergency call), bottom showns a keyboard pad03:09
DocScrutinizersame here, just without phone as I got no SIM03:14
DocScrutinizerthat'S pretty standard device lock03:15
DocScrutinizeras in settings -> security -> Device Lock ->03:15
DocScrutinizerI heard device lock will hit triggered on some conditions during update03:16
DocScrutinizerforgot what it was though03:16
DocScrutinizerand for sure it's pretty bad if you never have set a security code03:17
DocScrutinizera silly question, you ever tried to hit OK without entering *any* code?03:17
DocScrutinizerwasn't MALF enabling device lock?03:21
DocScrutinizeraah, and swapping SIM allegedly triggers device lock03:22
rncbcDocScrutinizer: ok is disabled when no code is entered03:27
DocScrutinizeryeah, thought as much03:28
DocScrutinizeryou're sure you never have set a device lock code?03:29
rncbci'll have to leave now. i guess tomorrrow i'll try to reflash the n950 ...03:29
DocScrutinizeryour only option I guess03:29
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Milhouserncbc - did you enable track & protect?03:30
DocScrutinizerplease come back and tell what was the end of the story03:30
DocScrutinizerieatlint: grep lock_code /dev/mtd1 -> nuttin03:32
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if you could swipe away the dialer on inbound calls, to get to the settings app03:34
DocScrutinizerI guess that's a bug they fixed some time ago03:35
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* npm wonders if that was *the* rncbc ( )07:50
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hiemanshuanyone tried the OTA as of yet? what seems to be added?07:53
nibblermany small things and what's in
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djszapi~seen wazd08:28
infobotwazd <> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 7h 46m 56s ago, saying: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'.08:28
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hiemanshunormal for 'Low Memory, Please close some apps' when updating via OTA?08:38
dm8tbryes, see notes08:38
dm8tbr* Users may get low memory and connectivity messages during the installation process. These messages can be ignored.08:39
hiemanshuI see08:39
Scifighiemanshu, FYI - ssh root access is removed.08:39
hiemanshuScifig: dont need that :P08:40
dm8tbrit's a sane thing not to log on as root08:53
dm8tbrI bet devel-su still works08:53
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KypeliIt's just a shame how badly this removal of root login was communicated by Nokia09:05
KypeliIt's like they never learn anything.09:05
fralssomeone fucked up in that build then09:06
fralsbecause i still have it on mine running a very slightly different build09:07
hiemanshuI get a 'maximum rescue count exceeded' in red font :(09:07
hiemanshuyay, 'Device not working properly' :D09:07
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hiemanshuBattery Level is 40%, wonder what went wrong, flashing to 34-2 now09:10
ScifigI can't set a password for "user". I can't run "su - user" from devel-sh. So how can I run a command as user via ssh?09:16
hiemanshuyou cannot IIRC, you can only do it as developer now, and pass from that comes from SDK tool09:18
ScifigThere are some dbus commands I would like to run as user. Don't know if developer account is "very" similar to user.09:21
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Hq`ah great, a spotify client is available10:31
Hq`meespot seems to support also offline playlists, nice10:31
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Hq`the ui is a bit sluggish sometimes, but otherwise seems to work great10:34
djszapidid not expect to hear good words for harmattan here ;)10:34
Anssi138considering spotify, i have found 'new' coding music genre lately10:34
Hq`it's in ovi store10:35
petteriok, thanks10:35
xarcasscoding music genre? what it might be?10:35
Anssi138it's blues.10:35
Anssi138maybe i am just getting old10:36
Anssi138music to listen while coding10:36
* xarcass is desperately trying to swallow his puke :)10:37
djszapigetting yound!!10:37
iekkuif it's blues, can't start coding ever10:37
Stskeepsbest coding music is crap 90's dance10:37
Stskeepsthere's absolutely nothing there for your brain to process10:37
Stskeeps=> more processing power for your mind10:37
iekkuStskeeps, :DDDDD10:37
xarcasslast coding music genre i've found was TXDM, and I'm 42 btw10:38
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djszapior one can just sing while coding =)10:38
Hq`that would be... interesting (at work)10:38
fralswhat is more annoying then singing is the guy next to you bouncing like he's on acid10:39
* xarcass tries to reproduce guttural growling and pig squealing while coding10:39
fralsmy bh-905i solves noise but cant do anythign about what i see in the corner of my eyes :<10:40
djszapiHq`: not coding in the dark corner alone ? Shame on you ;)10:40
Hq`I will be if I start singing10:40
xarcassalas, all dark corners are already occupied by superiors10:41
djszapiat any rate ... anybody experience with osc build locally for Harmattan target ?10:42
dm8tbrHq`: people will lock you in the phone closet. It's sound proof and has ethernet. ;)10:42
* matrixx lolling here10:44
Anssi138Hq`, and i would throw vi manuals at you ;)10:44
matrixxtries to read this conversation with a poker face10:44
matrixxdm8tbr: :D10:44
dm8tbrmatrixx: we all know you fail to do so, don't pretend ;)10:44
matrixxdm8tbr: yeah, gone already :(10:45
matrixxI listen reggae or ska when coding10:45
matrixxand try hard not to sing with it10:45
djszapi"singing" black and death metal would be fun :D10:46
djszapiif anybody has an idea how to make the "osc build" properly locally, I will thank:
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spenaphi, I've upgraded to 1.1 using the SSU, and now I cannot login as root via ssh. I read the tweets about login as user / developer, but... What if I just want to keep login as root? Can it be restored?10:49
dm8tbrspenap: login as user and devel-su?10:50
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dm8tbrlogging in as root leaves you in an bad position anyway as root can't e.g. read user files and does not have the same credentials as when running from devel-su. AFAIU YMMV10:51
spenapdm8tbr, yes, that's a valid workaround. But I checked the sshd_config, and it still says PermitRootLogin yes10:51
hiemanshuwait what, still no Jabber? :(10:51
spenapbasically, I just login as root to install .deb files, and then su - user10:52
dm8tbrhiemanshu: I don't think there will be unless someone finally goes and writes an account plugin...10:52
spenapso previously, scp stuff root@device:; ssh root@device was really handy10:52
hiemanshudm8tbr: ah, damn, gotta pester someone now10:52
dm8tbrhiemanshu: most of the SSO code is open sores anyway10:53
hiemanshuyeah, have seen it, will meddle with it when I can10:54
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hiemanshualso anyone that updated to 39-5, dont forget to apt-get install gof2 nfsshift11:02
jabissomeone mentioned a spotify client - which repo is it in?11:04
hiemanshuovi store11:04
jabisdidn't see it there yesterday o.O well have to dig deeper I suppose ^^11:05
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hiemanshujabis: its called meespot or something11:05
jabisthanks :) anyone here managed a pptp vpn setup? I saw some discussion about hacking a bluetooth-dun or something but haven't figured out how to apply this11:06
RST38hSo, any solution to firmware update hanging and then stopping at 0%?11:10
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meegomyhi guys11:12
rantomhiemanshu: I think you mean Qspot?11:13
hiemanshurantom: someone said meespot above11:13
jabismeespot it was - only works with premium, and I've forgot our firm's password X)11:14
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rantomSpotify always works only with Premium outside of desktop11:14
infobotrantom meant: Spotify always works only with Premium outside of desktop-client11:14
jabisoh - didn't know that :)11:15
meegomywhat is the ssh root@localhost password for n950?11:15
sandst1_meegomy: rootme11:15
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meegomythats weired11:17
rantomjabis: (ignore the "fi", they've yet to translate the site from English to Finnish)11:17
meegomy"Permission denied, please try again."11:17
rantomWasn't the ssh to root removed in newest OTA?11:17
rantommeegomy: You could also try as a command: devel-su11:18
rantomSame password11:18
meegomyi got the ota update this morning11:18
hiemanshumeegomy: then you have to ssh as developer and run devel-su to get root11:19
meegomyis that anyway to make the menu as landscape mode?11:20
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hiemanshuso best thing to do would be copy over the ssh keys and use those to do anything you need to do as user and devel-su for root11:20
xsacha_ok, so n950 has pr 1.1... when does n9 get it?11:20
meegomycoz i was refering to this:
xsacha_only update for n9 i can see is something for developer11:21
xsacha_if i update that do restrictions get better or worse?11:21
lkslawekmeegomy: the menu? applications list in home screen?11:22
hiemanshuthere is no difference except that you get a terminal and a sdk connectivity app11:22
meegomylkslawek: yes11:22
lkslawekmeegomy: it is11:22
lkslawekmeegomy: the orientation is locked in .css file for meego touch home11:22
meegomyhow i can edit the file?11:23
lkslawekwith you favourite editor on your phone11:23
lkslaweke.g. vi11:23
meegomyyea.. i was trying this approach11:25
rantomIf I recall correctly though it was not recommended since it had stability(?) issues?11:25
lkslawekdid not crash for me, only some drawing problems11:26
JaffaMorning, all11:26
rantomJaffa: morning11:26
rantomWould someone know where the .ts files for Harmattan are?11:27
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sandst1_hmm..interesting. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on n9 shows 603 packages to update :)11:31
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rantomsandst1: indeed...11:32
rantomswype? :)11:32
xsacha_sandst1: dist upgrade? thx11:32
xsacha_last time i tried that it had 1 update11:32
sandst1rantom: no swype on the list11:33
xsacha_doesnt mean it's not in repo11:33
xsacha_by the way, what is the repo it dist-ugrade's to?11:33
xsacha_   beta 2 still newest here11:34
sandst1xsacha_: it's getting stuff from
xsacha_gosh feels like such a chore to type on my n9.. even though it's fast11:35
meegomyi think i saw swipe in the setting11:35
xsacha_i usually just ssh in11:35
xsacha_ok, you must have some special n911:35
rantommeegomy: Swipe is for the UI, Swype is the input-method11:35
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xsacha_i get 10 upgraded, 1 to remove11:36
rantomJust a clarification11:36
xsacha_7 of them are just the standard ones11:36
meegomyrantom: opes my bad11:36
hiemanshuhmm, installed gof2 and nfs shift11:36
rantommeegomy: It's ok :)11:36
Kaadlajkdist-upgrade might mess up your SSU if it removes mp-harmattan-... package11:36
xsacha_yeah it offers to remove the mp-harmattan-299-pr11:36
meegomyhiemanshu: where u get these games?11:37
Hq`I hate every input method which tries to guess what I meant :P11:37
hiemanshumeegomy: apt-get install gof2 nfsshift11:37
hiemanshumeegomy: they are free with 39-511:37
Hq`unless it can read thoughts its not good enough :P11:37
xsacha_sandst1: am i doing something wrong? i dont have the dist-upgrade11:37
sandst1Kaarlajk: well. there's always the option to flash againn :)11:37
xsacha_just 3 new packages and it wants to remove mp-harmattan, like it wanted when i first got phone11:38
hiemanshuxsacha_: first update, and then try dist-upgrade11:38
sandst1xsacha_: ran apt-get update first? (and as Kaadlajk said, it might mess your SSU :)11:38
hiemanshuit probably doesn't have newer data11:38
xsacha_sandst1: yeah i did11:39
sandst1xsacha_: strange...11:39
meegomyi jz got this device 2 days ago11:39
xsacha_is there a non-standard repo you had to add?11:39
meegomynot very familiar11:39
hiemanshumeegomy: the N950?11:39
xsacha_meegomy: have you used any debian-based linux before?11:40
sandst1xsacha_: nope.11:40
hiemanshuhow did you get it 2 days ago?11:40
meegomylate for the class tho11:40
meegomyxsacha_: not really11:40
hiemanshumeegomy: open terminal, devel-su, enter password, and then apt-get install gof2 nfsshift11:40
meegomyhave to start from scratch11:40
meegomyhiemanshu: thx its running now11:42
hiemanshuit should download around 220M11:42
meegomy15min to go11:43
xsacha_sandst1: well my update says ./Packages.gz The requested URL returned error: 40411:43
sandst1xsacha_: that's strange..11:44
meegomyso the aegis can be disable now?11:44
xsacha_sandst1: the harmattan/sdk/free harmattan/sdk/non-free all download correctly11:45
sandst1Kaadlajk: not so sure how Seamless the current upgrade thing is though. Got some update notifications about Facebook/Twitter/Drive etc, but they all failed to download due to some conflict w.r.t some installed packages x) which is a bit strange since all i've got installed is a couple apps from ovi store11:45
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hiemanshusandst1: those update with the new image, so they will fail, and will auto install when the new one updates11:47
hiemanshus/new one/image/11:47
infobothiemanshu meant: sandst1: those update with the new image, so they will fail, and will auto install when the image updates11:47
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sandst1hiemanshu: ok. just a bit confusing to get an app update notification that doesn't work :)11:49
hiemanshusandst1: yeah, I tried that, and it failed telling me it needs the image update to install, and when I did the install, it all auto updated11:49
hiemanshuam on N950 though11:49
sandst1hiemanshu: ok, good to know11:50
xsacha_so just no updates for my n9? :(11:50
xsacha_didnt know repos can discriminate based on product code or whatever11:50
artemmaIs there a way to restrict swype languages to just a few?11:51
* artemma is tired to push language switch button ten times, when really using only 2-3 languages11:51
meegomyn950 not support skype yet?11:51
xsacha_Nokia FiRE still only has firmware 10.2011.34.1 for N911:52
artemmameegomy, I installed skype this way:
artemmaoh well, enabled actually11:52
macmaNartemma: you can select languages in settings11:52
artemmayou can't make calls or send messages right from contacts, but you can call or send messages from Call/Messgaes11:53
artemmamacmaN: I can't see how11:53
artemmaI know how to choose lang for built-in keyboard11:53
artemmabut not for swype11:53
xsacha_why n950 have less features than n9?11:53
meegomythx artemma11:53
* artemma finds PR 1.1 to be a little (but noticeably) slower than Beta 2 nearly everywhere. Anybody got similar feelings?11:55
rantomartemma: Similar feeling. Seems to lag a bit11:55
xsacha_by the way, on n9 (still original firmware), i have 30MB ram free on boot11:56
xsacha_is that normal? 970MB used11:56
artemmaI have very similar situation with N950 and PR 1.1 (not sure if it has 30 or 130MB free rigth after boot, but it's anyway not 20011:57
xsacha_yeah 100MB buffer, 30MB free11:58
kimjuartemma, IIRC you might need to select the supported languages separately for swype and non-swype. then swiping left/right in vkb changes between all selected modes/languages11:58
artemmakimju: I tried, but failed to find how to do it11:58
xsacha_the weird thing is.. i ran 12 apps (including 3 games) and RAM usage dropped so that I had 200MB free + 100MB buffer11:58
artemmakimju: swype settings seem to allow to choose the *current* language only11:59
Hq`well my desktop is "using" almost 4GB of memory with just a few apps open... one should not obsess too much over the reported figures12:01
meegomyhow you check the free rams & processor speed? its that any apps for that?12:03
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xsacha_cat /proc/cpuinfo for processor12:05
xsacha_free for ram12:05
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Hq`or cat /proc/meminfo12:07
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meegomycurrently we dun have monitor apps for ram & processor?12:07
Hq`you'll also see that a lot of it is probably "cached"12:07
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meegomyHq`: i see12:08
xarcassmeegomy: you can try mem-cpu-monitor12:10
meegomyxarcass: its that available in store?12:10
xsacha_meegomy: 'top' is a console monitor12:10
xsacha_meegomy: you want a GUI app?12:11
xarcassmeegomy: it's in 'developer mode' pack, don't know where exactly. it was on the N950, i'm sure.12:11
xarcassmeegomy: and it's command-line utility, btw12:11
meegomyi installed everything in the developer mode12:12
xarcassthen try to type it in the terminal12:12
meegomythe only gui apps similar i see is energy profile12:12
xsacha_just type 'top' in to terminal12:13
xsacha_that's good enough for me :)12:13
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meegomyxsacha_: cool12:14
meegomybut i hoping a monitor similar like conky in n90012:14
meegomybtw, how to install input languages?12:22
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fluxmeegomy, checked out settings/language?12:31
fluxhow do I setup ssh login for user? it appears I cannot set its password and while I have copied ~root/authorized_keys to ~user/authorized_keys (and the new file is user.uers 600), I still cannot log in12:31
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hiemanshuthe new update is sloooooow12:34
hiemanshuflux: login as developer, devel-su and su - user12:35
jreznikhiemanshu: how do you mean "slow" - update process or system after update? I feel the whole phone is much more slower with PR1.112:36
hiemanshujreznik: the phone being slower12:37
jreznikhiemanshu: yep, I agree completely12:37
fluxhiemanshu, final step: su: can't set groups: Operation not permitted12:37
fluxaccli -I doesn't say CAP::set_uid12:38
hiemanshuflux: develsh after devel-su?12:38
fluxsame thing12:38
fluxbut I do have a lot more capabilities, though12:38
fluxbut no set_uid12:39
hiemanshuthats odd12:39
fluxbut hey, iptables works now, that was going to be my other question :)12:39
meegomyflux:finally found the language i want12:39
hiemanshujreznik: I think the animations are slow which the phone seem slow as well12:39
meegomyafter the ota update12:39
sandst1people. do NOT apt-get dist-upgrade your n9 :D12:39
fluxsounds like sandst1 learned something the hard way :)12:39
sandst1ohyeah xD12:40
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jreznikhiemanshu: not only animations, for example it takes ages before keyboard appears in unlocking dialog etc.12:40
hiemanshuyeah that too12:40
hiemanshusandst1: you were warned :P12:41
Stskeepsjreznik: remember that media is getting reindexed after update12:41
Stskeepsjreznik: it can be a bit brutal at times12:41
jreznikStskeeps: yep, it was brutal, now it's getting better but still not as fast as beta 212:42
xsacha_sandst1: but how come yours can dist-upgrade and mine can't? :(12:42
Stskeepsless media ;)12:42
jreznikand I don't like the new toolbar shadow - breaks look of my apps - would make sense to have also the page header to have shadow12:43
hiemanshuthe screen isnt reacting at all12:43
sandst1xsacha: lucky you :P12:43
xsacha_sandst1: anyway you can just reflash your n912:43
hiemanshuno matter what, its still stuck :/12:43
sandst1xsacha_: yep12:43
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xsacha_sandst1: when you dist-upgrade, isn't there a way to keep the pm-harmattan-299-pr aoo?12:44
hiemanshuI dont think so12:45
hiemanshuits like a meta package telling you at what version you are12:45
sandst1xsacha_: nope12:45
sandst1xsacha_: and the fact that there are 603 packages in the repo waiting to be updated tells that it'll come through OTA sometime soon anyway12:46
hiemanshuStskeeps: aegisfs using 60% CPU12:46
xsacha_other phones only update on a carrier-by-carrier process.. will n9 be like this?12:46
Stskeepshiemanshu: heh12:46
sandst1oh btw. Is there a flasher for n9 yet? xD12:46
xsacha_sandst1: Phoenix works12:46
hiemanshuStskeeps: tracker doing that?12:46
sandst1a public image i mean12:47
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Stskeepshiemanshu: indexing media12:47
xsacha_sandst1: Nokia FiRE has PR 1.012:47
RST38hhiemanshu: It is protecting you against evil programs using your CPU12:47
xsacha_sandst1: you can use NaviFIRM to download it12:47
meegomyhi stskeeps12:47
hiemanshuStskeeps: oic, I have like 600 songs on there12:47
hiemanshuand SIM hot swapping not working?12:47
sandst1xsacha_: ok thx12:48
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djszapiHi! It is not possible then to get the root ssh work after the ssu update from 34-2 ?12:53
hiemanshudjszapi: nope, no root ssh works after ssu12:53
djszapinot even if you change the password behind devel-su ?12:54
xsacha_develsh and developer-mode update.. what do they do?12:57
faenildjszapi: hey :)12:57
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djszapifaenil: hey there ;)12:57
sandst1soo what's the password for 'user' in n9...?13:00
djszapinothing iirc13:00
djszapibut you can change it later13:00
xsacha_hey i tried updating develsh and it says "Update failed and application is now unusable"13:01
xsacha_ah, wha/>!13:01
sandst1yup, changed13:01
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xsacha_anyone have this update? 0.2011.21-513:04
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hiemanshu21-5 isnt an update13:07
meegomyanyone try this?
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xsacha_hmm what's with all these devtools13:08
djszapihiemanshu: ok, so it is false :p
hiemanshudjszapi: that was *before*13:09
hiemanshunot anymore13:09
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jabishrm - can't get rid of tnpclient - why has it got to be a hard-dep :/13:09
hiemanshuor maybe it doesn't work over wireless13:09
djszapihiemanshu: well, that is the public documentation now I can see.13:10
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fluxvia develsh I was able to change user passsword as well, and now ssh works fine (with keys)13:15
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jabiswhere can I fiddle with package dependencies - I seriously want to remove track and protect but it's deps prohibit me from removing it -.-13:15
fluxjabis, you cannot remove mp-harmattan-001-pr?13:16
flux(which appears to be its only dependant)13:17
jabisnup - dpkg and apt-get both error out13:17
djszapifaenil: how are you ?13:17
jabisboth in devel-su and in develsh13:18
faenilfine ;) getting ready for devdays :) actually working on a uni project which is driving me mad :D13:18
faenilwhat bout u?13:18
Stskeepsdjszapi: what command do i use to list what credentials a command has?13:19
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meegomyany workaround for flash player for browser?13:21
sandst1phew. reflashed ^^13:21
xsacha_meegomy: yeah13:22
djszapiStskeeps: accli -I -p `pidof your_command`13:22
xsacha_vnc viewer -> windows laptop -> chrome + flash 1113:22
djszapispenap: "...But I checked the sshd_config, and it still says PermitRootLogin yes..." -> really ?13:24
spenapyes, really13:25
hiemanshuStskeeps: down to 1% but still slower than Beta213:27
hiemanshuit seems to be ignoring sshd_config, maybe hard coded in13:28
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meegomyxsacha_: sorry i dont understand13:37
meegomyu mean i cant install flash in the device itself?13:38
xsacha_well not a hardware accelerated one13:38
xsacha_technically there may be a way to get the n900 one in there13:38
faenilis there any info about OCF with 39-5?13:38
xsacha_flash is proprietary so you cant exactly recompile it13:38
meegomyanyone done the flash migration from n900?13:39
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xsacha_nokia shares up 11.5% lol13:46
Stskeepsstill far to go13:46
Stskeeps4.91eur, reach 8.48 and we're talking ;)13:47
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Summeliover 5EUR13:48
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* artemma is thinking if new PR 1.1 features are worth the slow down or not..13:59
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faenilartemma: so should I update or not XD14:01
artemmait depends :)14:02
artemmaslow down isn't great, so if you like swype and taking skype with you, you can give it a try14:02
djszapi'lo wazd o/14:03
artemmayou can always use onclickflasher to go back to beta214:03
Corsacis the reason known?14:03
Corsac(for the slowdown)14:03
djszapiwhat slow down btw ?14:03
artemmamaybe they just pushed to many fixes14:04
faenilyou can go back to beta2?14:04
Corsacno idea, I don't own a device :/14:04
artemmadjszapi: to me everything is slightly slower on pr 1.114:04
artemmafrom messaging to opening Settings14:04
Corsaccouldn't get an n950 and wondering about a n9 since 650€ is a bit expensive14:04
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djszapiartemma: weird.14:05
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* artemma is going to reboot. Somehow Nokia Multemedia Transfer stopped detecting the device14:05
artemmaI have many apps installed, so maybe it's e.g. MyMoves daemon that causes slow down14:05
artemmabut somebody else on this channel also reported decreased speed14:06
artemmaok, to reboot now14:06
* xarcass wonders whether there will be vibration level slider in the next fw update for the N914:07
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jabisaegis fucked up my libssl update with no post-script blech...14:09
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djszapiwhat was the exact error message ?14:10
djszapifaenil: btw, are you a Qt Ambassador ? There will be some embassy meetup at the qt dd..14:11
djszapiand do you seriously say it is aegis ? :)14:12
Corsacsh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl1.0.0.postinst14:13
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jabis djszapi well the first warns came up with aegis-NOT-installing prior to those errors14:14
jabis(putty log wouldn't scroll up to that point), just got them last lines14:15
djszapijabis: well, it sounds like a simple installation issue14:15
djszapinothing to do with aegis.14:15
djszapiaegis will complain about any installation and stuff like that issue even for general debian installation issues14:16
Corsacwell, the postinst fails, at least. no indication why, that's all14:16
djszapigo and blame dpkg14:16
Corsacso it might be related to aegis but nobody can be sure before you're able to debug that postinst14:16
djszapiI mean dpkg.real14:16
Corsacnot dpkg14:16
Corsac/var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl1.0.0.postinst is what is failing14:16
djszapigo and blame dpkg.real14:17
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Corsacdpkg isn't responsible for postinst failures14:17
djszapiyes, of course it is14:17
djszapijust modify the hashbang in a maintainer script and try to use dpkg on that14:17
djszapion *any* dpkg powered systems.14:17
Corsacdpkg just runs the script, if they fail it can't do anything more than report back14:18
djszapiso how could aegis report if dpkg cannot do that itself ?14:18
CorsacI'm not saying it's aegis related14:18
Corsacthe only thing we know from the paste is that the script failed14:19
djszapifirst sentence: "aegis fucked up ..." :)14:19
Corsacso what jabis needs to do is to debug the script14:19
Corsac(using the command line)14:19
djszapinot from you tho.14:19
Corsacyeah but it's not mine14:19
CorsacI'm just giving info on how to progress14:19
CorsacI can't say it's aegis, but I'm not able to say it's not aegis either :)14:19
djszapiI can say for sure.14:20
Corsacif libssl postinst wants to mess with stuff aegis-protected I guess it could be aegis-related :)14:20
djszapiwhich would be complained ...14:20
Corsacyou're more knowledgeable than me on this, I trust you :)14:20
djszapiwell, jabis can check out the syslog :)14:20
djszapihe can go through the postinstall script14:20
djszapiI found similar issue for instnace when somehow the hashbang was wrong.14:21
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djszapiCorsac: do you have experience with c-obs ? There is a compiler crash :P14:26
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jabisthe package was borken it seems - I downloaded it locally and no errors & got it up and running - coolness14:28
djszapiaegis changed ? :)14:28
jabisthis time aegis-installing instead of aegis-NOT-installing ^^14:28
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Corsacdjszapi: c-obs?14:32
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djszapiCorsac: yup.14:33
Corsacnever really investigated how it works14:34
Corsacbut a compiler crash isn't directly related to OBS, is it?14:34
CorsacI mean, does it only happen in OBS?14:34
Corsacwith same environment (same installed packages etc.)?14:36
djszapisb works, local "osc build" fails before trying to build, remote c-obs fails by crashing compiler (gcc)14:37
Corsacdo you have log?14:39
pinheiroguys trying to use the sdk to port a few apps14:43
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pinheirobut for exmaple the defoult example looks very wrong after yesterdays update14:43
pinheiroaka the hello world example apears inside a window14:44
Corsacbuild logs ending on kernel panic, nice14:44
pinheirowith a shadow14:44
Corsacdjszapi: fun with C++, too14:45
djszapiCorsac: local "osc build"
djszapiCorsac: no worry about kernel panic, c-obs always goes to that :p14:45
djszapithe point is the compiler crash during/afterthe moc generation.14:45
Corsacfun with c++14:46
Corsacafraid I can't really help you on this14:46
Corsacfor local build it seems you have issues with perl dependencies14:47
Corsacreordering...Data::Dumper object version 2.130_02 does not match $Data::Dumper::VERSION 2.128 at /usr/lib/perl5/core_perl/ line 213.14:47
M4rtinKCorsac: I have one crashing Queumu :)
pinheiroQt Creator 2.3.0  not recent enough?14:47
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M4rtinKand it also builds fine in some projects and fails horribly in similar others :)14:48
Corsacfor the same package?14:48
* RST38h yawns, moos eerily14:49
M4rtinKyep, see
djszapiM4rtinK: that is not a "real" crash. Actually your package creation went fine.
djszapiyou can see the generated debS below..14:51
M4rtinKyeah, I know - it works in my project (home:MartinK:gtk) but fails in yours (home:rzr:harmattan)14:53
M4rtinKsee the first link14:53
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djszapiunfortunately, my package works nowhere apart from sb.14:55
M4rtinKhave you tried disabling the OBS parallel build ?14:56
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M4rtinKthat fixed a few packages building in sb but not on OBS for me14:58
djszapiwhat is the exact entry in the rules ? I do not know by heart :p14:58
djszapibut yeah, sb works here, c-obs is the culsprit.14:59
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M4rtinKdjszapi: .NOTPARALLEL:15:03
M4rtinKand I have been adding it on the end of the rules file, btw :)15:04
djszapicannot these segfaults be manipulated somehow by obs settings ?15:05
M4rtinKI have a theory you might want to try out :)15:07
djszapi -> another segfault, mmm15:08
M4rtinKthat older project are somehow different from the new ones15:08
djszapithere are many segfaults on c-obs recently. I have never really had so many.15:08
svuorelatry export C_OBS_NO_SEGFAULTS=115:08
M4rtinKmaybe try in a new & clean project first and then in the old one ?15:09
M4rtinKjust an idea :)15:09
djszapiI tried in my repo (not rzr)15:10
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M4rtinKso that concludes my theory in this case :)15:11
djszapihave you ever made local "osc build" ?15:12
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djszapiM4rtinK: well, could you please try to import soprano and its dependencies into your tree pls ? Your repo might have some magic :)15:15
M4rtinKok :D15:15
M4rtinKwhich source project ?15:15
djszapifor instance mine, but it is also good if you try to either build it locally or if you have idea what is wrong about my local "osc build".15:16
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M4rtinKlooks like something's wrong with the COBS interface...15:24
faenilm4rtinK: it's unreachable15:27
M4rtinKnice :)15:27
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M4rtinKoh, seems to be working again15:28
djszapiwhat where when ? :)15:29
M4rtinKCOBS api :)15:29
djszapido you mean I should re-try the "osc build" or .. ?15:30
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M4rtinKnope, I meant there was just a COBS outage15:32
M4rtinKI have imported the package15:32
rcguhm did anyone notice quite significant battery drain since the last update?15:32
rcgon n950 that is15:33
rcgtop shows /usr/bin/messageserver running constantly with ~60% and /sbin/syslogd with ~40%15:33
rcgis this a known issue?15:33
M4rtinKand I'm now working on importing its many dependencies :)15:33
M4rtinKbtw, any way of importing a package with its dependencies or at least more packages at once ?15:34
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jktso it seems I got hit by One-click-flasher restored the brick, but I made a spectacular failure by not saving the backup to an off-phone media (duh).15:35
jktright now, I'm downloading the OTA image once again. Actually, it's installing now.15:36
jktanyway, I have an old backup from late August. When I tried to restore it, the calendar worked, but I did not get my contacts back -- is that expected?15:36
rcgapparently messageserver is gone berserk and keeps spamming syslog with: "[Warning] QAbstractSocket::waitForBytesWritten() is not allowed in UnconnectedState"15:36
djszapiM4rtinK: I think you better checkout the repo there, and try to build locally.15:36
jktI know, it's a developer device which comes with no warranty. It's also clearly my fault for not creating a proper backup. Still, I'm rather disappointed now :(15:39
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M4rtinKdjszapi: well, I'd rather try to build it in the context off all the other packages in my various repositories first :)15:40
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M4rtinKdjszapi: btw, which package from your project provides librdf0-dev ?15:46
djszapilibraptor ?15:47
djszapior redland ? dunno by heart, sorry.15:47
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djszapi -> there you go, redland15:48
M4rtinKok :)15:48
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M4rtinKdjszapi: well, this is getting crazier and crazier :) libiodbc2 fails to compile in all my projects (home:MartinK:gtk/harmattan/testing)15:59
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M4rtinKalways: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault16:00
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djszapiokay, so probably regressions in c-obs ...16:01
M4rtinKlooks like it16:02
M4rtinKor incorrectly declared dependencies16:03
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faenilI'm hating N950 antenna...16:13
faenilIt always loses signal, I'm never reachable, people start hating me!16:13
Stskeepsdid you upgrade to beta2 + ssu?16:13
faenilI have beta2 atm...just flashed this morning after trying CE yesterday (where I could not receive smses, calls, and stuff :D)16:14
hiemanshuthats odd, I speak for hours at a stretch on the phone without an issue16:14
faenilhiemanshu: I'm starting to think it's just a matter of network status refresh timing issue...16:14
aenbackahello everyone; anyone know that could be the problem when receiving error "debian/rules clean" fails in the Harmattan COBS? The build succeeds in Harmattan SDK (scratchbox).16:14
faenilif I wait for some minutes, it goes from 0 to like 5!16:15
faenil(signal bars)16:15
faenilbut I can't wait 5 minutes to see if there's signal in that zone...16:15
faenilI'll make a comparison video with my N8 and my gf's C5-0316:15
faenilit's unbelievable...16:15
djszapiM4rtinK: does the "osc build" work for you in general ?16:16
faenilanyway, Stskeeps, does 39-5 address antenna's issues?16:16
hiemanshufaenil: a little slow in refreshing I can agree yes16:16
djszapiM4rtinK: have you seen my error about that, and do you have an idea what can go wrong ?16:16
M4rtinKI even get the same libgtk error with it16:16
faenilhiemanshu: I'm really having a hard time...I always have to keep it in the same spot on the desk, otherwise I know I won't be reachable...16:16
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faenilwhat I have noticed is, it refreshes fast when there is signal..16:17
hiemanshufaenil: works with other phones?16:17
faenilbut once it goes to "no network", it takes ages to come back to life, even if there's signal16:17
faenilhiemanshu: yes16:17
djszapifaenil: maybe aegis ? :p16:17
* djszapi hides16:17
faenildjszapi: lol :P16:17
M4rtinKI would say it is probably an C-OBS issue16:17
hiemanshudjszapi: ofc, if nothing works, blame aegis16:18
faenildjszapi knows it well :P16:18
hiemanshufaenil: thats odd, I got perfect network everywhere, except I missed calls before the pocket made the phone silent16:18
faenilargh :(16:19
faenilI'll make a comparison video :P16:19
M4rtinKdjszapi: for example, yayjl finished building in on project, triggering raptor2 rebuild, that now fails :)16:19
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djszapiM4rtinK: I see. What bugs me is that, I cannot even build any packages locally by using "osc build".16:20
djszapiwhat distribution do you use ?16:20
faenilfirst try16:20
faenilunreachable, just put on desk16:20
djszapifaenil: as a workaround, try to relocate :)16:20
hiemanshufaenil: update and see if that fixes anything16:20
faenillet's see how long it takes to get signal again16:21
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M4rtinKim off, will look at it again when I get back :) bye16:21
faenilhiemanshu: I will, when I get home16:21
faenilsignal back...about 1 minute and a half16:21
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hiemanshufaenil: and also keep spare phones :P the sim in my N950 only has a data plan, and no one has that number, so its never an issue really16:22
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hiemanshuI carry around 3 phones, not including the N950 in my bag16:23
faenilgood for you :P16:23
faenilI have N8, but it's not quite the same UX as the N950 :D16:24
matrixxat the beta1 software time I had to carry both N950 and N816:24
matrixxto ensure that I have at least one phone which works for calling :D16:24
faenilmatrixx: lol :D so you agree :D16:24
djszapiso that is why Nokia gave out n8s to Qt Ambassadors recently ... :)16:25
matrixxI don't have had problems with signal, but with call-ui16:25
faeniloh, ok16:25
matrixxsometimes it didn't come up and I couldn't answer the phone16:25
faenildjszapi: I had to pay for my N8 :D actually, people who visited my website did :D16:25
matrixxand sometime green/red buttons disappeared during a call and I couldn't hang up :D16:26
djszapifaenil: was just wondering why Nokia gave out recently N8 gadgets to Ambassadors..16:26
faenildjszapi: yeah ;)16:26
matrixxbut sure I haven't have any of these problems with even beta216:26
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faenildjszapi: are you leaving today?16:28
djszapiat 04:00 am tomorrow :p16:29
hiemanshudjszapi: probably because they had extras lying around :P16:30
djszapifrankly, I would be happier with 2 Ambassador T-Shirts than one shirt and one N8 :p16:30
hiemanshuand swype is so awesome on this phone, and with the proper width, its easy to use as well16:30
faenilhiemanshu: yeah I'm looking forward to updating...I have been for swype for ages :D16:31
faenilbeen waiting*16:31
djszapifaenil: can join the Gluon team on Sunday if you wanna. We will be at the Munich Nokia office.16:31
faenildjszapi: that's great! :)16:32
hiemanshufaenil: yeah, swype is much faster when you want to use only one fingure16:33
faenilhiemanshu: it's definitely faster than physical kb too imho16:33
* jreznik has also Nokia C0 too but it has not very usable ui16:33
hiemanshufaenil: I use the phy keyboard when i want to talk and type together16:34
faenilonly me at notebook is faster than me at swype :D16:34
hiemanshuI am learning to swype without looking to, and later fixing mistakes16:35
* faenil hopes to be able to code using his N950 one day :) with external monitor and kb16:35
faenilhiemanshu: that's difficult :)16:36
djszapifaenil: btw, what do you use in your game(s) for audio ?16:36
xsacha_faenil: that's what tablets are for ;)16:36
hiemanshufaenil: not impossible :P16:36
faenildjszapi: haven't done anything on the game since beginning of september...Busy on another uni project (one of the two exams missing)....16:36
xsacha_i plan to make my playbook a coding machine. it has 1080p output with micro hdmi. and it works with bluetooth keyboard16:36
faenildjszapi: anyway, I used SoundEffect and Audio from Qml, and both sucked :D16:37
faenilSoundEffect did not play, Audio could not be repeated :D16:37
faenilxsacha_: but that requires a tablet, which is way bigger than a phone :)16:37
xsacha_well at least get a phone with hdmi out16:38
faenilxsacha_: I know, I know :P16:38
xsacha_this tv out (via headphone jack) is just weak.. reminds me of a 580016:38
faenilxsacha_: which is not that bad :)16:38
djszapifaenil: I started writing a QtOpenAL module for 3d audio.16:38
xsacha_in fact, i still have the 5800 cable so i can use tv out with this n916:38
hiemanshuxsacha_: get an Asus transformer, install Meego on it, ????, PROFIT :D16:38
faenildjszapi: wow :)16:38
xsacha_hiemanshu: i already have an asus transformer :) why meego on it?16:38
hiemanshuxsacha_: damn you rich people, and meego because its awesome16:39
faenilhiemanshu: exactly xD student life is hard xD16:39
hiemanshuprobably Mer + Plasma Active16:39
xsacha_doesnt bring me any closer to getting an IDE16:39
hiemanshufaenil: yeah16:39
xsacha_yeah i'm a poor uni student16:39
xsacha_with free wares to lure me away from study/research16:40
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xsacha_is there an IDE on any mobile platform?16:41
xsacha_how hard would it be to say, port QtCreator (written in Qt)? I don't care about the UI since I'll be using kb+mouse16:41
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faeniljust received 3 smses which were sent 2 hours ago....:(16:42
hiemanshuxsacha_: all you need is a compiler and an editor16:42
hiemanshufaenil: haha, time to get another extra phone :P16:43
xsacha_hiemanshu: all i need.. sure.. gcc and vim..16:43
xsacha_but i want a damn good IDE16:43
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faenilhiemanshu: I'll first try updating to 39-16:43
faeniland then will decide16:43
xsacha_unpaid US students loans >$1 trillion  ... wow!16:43
xsacha_in my country, the government lets you study for free (but takes some money back later if you work in the country and earn enough)16:44
hiemanshuthere you go16:45
xsacha_cool thanks!16:45
hiemanshuI am pretty sure other distros will have them too, or you can use that as a base, see the patches if any, and compile a later version yourself16:46
faenilhere it depends on your family economical status16:46
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hiemanshuI paid like $650 a year, only college fees, stayed at my own place, scholarship16:46
faenilI'm paying 350€ a year...16:47
faenilbut I have to pay rent and food :D (money from parents, atm, and some earned with the website)16:47
faenilmy own place is 600Km from here, so no way :D16:48
hiemanshuah, I stayed like a km from my college16:49
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hiemanshuso I could walk to college every day16:49
faenilI see...16:50
faenilisn't college high school?16:50
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faenilor is it same as university? I don't remember the namings :)16:50
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xsacha_hiemanshu: is it possible to use that version directly?16:52
hiemanshufaenil: same as uni16:52
hiemanshuxsacha_: should be, if you all the deps for it16:52
faenilhiemanshu: ok :)16:52
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faenilnow imagine yourself taking out your n950 from the pocket, connecting it to the monitor, and start coding :D16:53
hiemanshufaenil: college is more divided in the sense, they are affliated to a specific uni, and you dont really have to go to the Uni (which might be in a different city or even state)16:53
faenilhiemanshu: o_O16:53
xsacha_i had to pay $0/year.. government paid me about $10k/yr in undergrad (no scholarship) but i had scholarship too16:54
xsacha_hiemanshu: apt-get install qtcreator          23 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 470 to be removed...16:55
xsacha_hiemanshu: "After this operation, 1, 025MB disk space will be freed"16:55
hiemanshuxsacha_: haha, lol, what is it removing?16:56
xsacha_you know all the packages that come with the phone?16:56
faenilremoving 1Gb?XD16:56
xsacha_yeah those16:56
hiemanshuxsacha_: expected :P16:56
faenilyou have to sacrifice the phone if you want qtcreator16:57
fluxmaybe only half of them16:57
fluxmy device has 1061 packages installed16:57
xsacha_y/N? Y16:57
faenilis anyone coming to Qt Dev Days?!!? :)16:57
hiemanshufaenil: if you will pay for me to come, sure :)16:57
hiemanshuxsacha_: DO IT! :D16:57
faenilhiemanshu: I'm not paying for myself, lol16:58
xsacha_yeah what's the worst that could happen?16:58
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faenilhiemanshu: how can I pay for you :D16:58
xsacha_having to set up 10 email/social networking/messages accounts again? no probs16:58
xsacha_backup :)16:58
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faenilhiemanshu: sponsors love young people :P16:59
hiemanshufaenil: I know, I cant get any more leaves though16:59
faenilhiemanshu: oh well, if you're working, that's another thing ;)16:59
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hiemanshufaenil: well I barely get any money, so cant afford, I have to give up FUDCon next month just becuase of the leave issues17:00
faenilhiemanshu: no problem ;)17:02
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grifaenil, I don't have a ticked for dev days, but we could meet at some burger king next to it :P17:12
faenilgri: ahahha have you got an N950?17:13
griof course17:13
faenilgri: so you could try sneaking in...none will ask, lol17:13
griI don't think they accept this as entry ticket :)17:14
faenilyou have to avoid the reception desk of course :P17:15
faenildo you live in Munich?17:15
gri60 km next to it17:15
djszapimmm...there is no wi-fi at the airport ..17:15
faenilif I were you, I'd contact the Developer Outreach Manager for your country, that's how I got my ticket :)17:16
faeniland it's not late17:16
Tujuso, i bricked 950 - any fast way to reflash it in fedora 15?17:16
faenilTuju: use flasher and flash 34-2 image?17:16
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faenilgri: looking for his email? lol17:18
GeneralAntillesAnybody figured out the trick to OTA updates yet?17:18
xsacha_forcing ota updates on n9?17:19
djszapifaenil: actually I had two ticket options :p17:19
GeneralAntillesActually getting the N950 to update17:19
GeneralAntillesOr has there maybe been a flasher released?17:19
grifaenil, problem is I have university at these days :(17:19
faenildjszapi: screw you :P17:19
faenilgri: me too...but who cares?? It's 3 days of lectures vs 3 days of Qt Dev Days!!!17:20
faenilare you kidding? :P17:20
RST38hGeneral: Flash to beta2 then OTA17:20
djszapi+ many new business cards :)17:20
RST38hGeneral: [have not tried it, getting beta2 now]17:21
djszapi+ fun and everything =)17:21
grifaenil, I have compulsory attendance on wednesday, but I could ask to skip this17:22
faenilgri: I see...well I have given you the hint, now it's your turn, you'll find the way if you care about it ;)17:22
djszapifaenil: sounds like you act as a Qt Ambassador ;)17:23
hardakerGeneralAntilles: I have beta2 (as of a few days ago): I assume you're talking about the OTA you get prompted for after that?17:23
GeneralAntillesPR1.1, yes.17:24
hardakerif so, doesn't work for me either.  Always stops with "interrupted, retry?"17:24
faenildjszapi: but I don't have the badge nor free N8s (yet) :D17:24
grifaenil, how to find out the contact person? what language does he/she speak? :)17:24
rcghardaker: did so for me too.. but it rebooted and it seems to have been updated17:24
hardakerrcg: I did reboot once, so I doubt that's the case for me.17:25
faenilgri: look for it :) Developer Outreach Manager for Nokia Germany17:25
grifaenil, so I should write german or english?17:26
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faenilgri: if he's working in Nokia germany... :P17:27
griwell, there are also nokians in finland who don't speak finnish :)17:28
djszapiI would write English.17:28
djszapiyep, that is why ^17:28
faenilgri: ok :)17:28
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djszapifaenil: I would highly recommend you the unconference day btw17:30
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GeneralAntillesI wish the damn thing would give me a real error message.17:31
faenildjszapi: sure, I'm letting my nerd and city-museums souls fight ;)17:31
GeneralAntillesThere must be some reason why it fails every time.17:31
djszapifaenil: uncoference day is a qt contributor day ..17:31
djszapiin an unconference style..17:31
faenildjszapi: great :)17:32
faenildjszapi: that's not a problem, I guess that's better than visiting the city xD17:32
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Tujufaenil: thanks, i look into it later.17:33
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faenilTuju: ask if you need ;)17:33
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djszapifaenil: I am off soon for a sleep before the traveling, see you in Munich ;)17:44
faenildjszapi: ok, cya ;) send me an email with some contact details please :D17:45
djszapidjszapi@freenode :)17:45
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faenilgot an email there too? lol17:45
djszapiI will be there at my company booth during the dd17:45
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faenilanyway, I meant something less internet-depending :P17:45
djszapiand I will be at the Qt Embassy meetup, plus at the unconference style..17:46
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djszapiplus I can send you tomorrow the room number at the Nokia, Munich office on Sunday too17:46
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faenilok :P17:47
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pinheiroguys so im doing this qml app and i cant get rid ot the bottom bar18:52
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xsacha_in the main.cpp18:53
pinheiroin the qml main18:53
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xsacha_there is more than one show option :P18:54
pinheirodouugh my c++ knonage = -25618:54
pinheiroqml fine18:54
xsacha_art = genius ;)18:55
pinheiroc++ nooooo18:55
pinheiroso were in the c++?18:55
xsacha_love your icons18:55
djszapipinheiro: after the view construction for instance before the event loop18:55
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pinheiroand in english?18:56
xsacha_is there a line with view.showSomething();  ?18:56
xsacha_probably before app.exec()18:56
merlin1991Just pastebin and we can point fingers18:56
pinheirome was more hoping for somthing... you can do it all in qml :D18:58
pinheirothst what i know18:58
djszapipinheiro: where is your main function ?18:58
djszapiwhere is the event loop (app.exec()) ?18:58
pinheirolike i would know that :D18:58
djszapipinheiro: what do you need c++ for ?18:58
pinheiroi just want a blank qml canvas18:58
djszapiyou could test that with qmlviewer for now18:59
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pinheironaaaaaaa i want to do a working aplication18:59
djszapiyes of course, you can add the C++ at the end18:59
pinheirowas almost working before the update yesterday18:59
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pinheironow ist wird18:59
pinheirome takes a screnshoot19:00
djszapibut anyway, all you need is the simple helloworld schema above :)19:00
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djszapiuse your view instead of the gameWindowManager19:02
xsacha_pinheiro: that's not your project main.cpp?19:02
xsacha_yours will look like that link above19:02
pinheiro[16:58] <djszapi> pinheiro: what do you need c++ for ?19:03
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xsacha_pinheiro: the showExpanded();   change that to show();19:04
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djszapixsacha_: it is his own class, and he handles the show properly, see the first link19:05
djszapipinheiro: btw, what bottom bar do you mean ?19:06
xsacha_that coloured bar at the bottom in fullscreen mode19:06
pinheiroalso sftp stoped working :(19:07
djszapipinheiro: #if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) || defined(MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN) || defined(Q_WS_SIMULATOR) showFullScreen();19:07
djszapithat is the reason probably.19:07
xsacha_yes if you just use show() directly, it works fine19:07
djszapiI am sorry, xsacha_ was right19:07
pinheirothst defoult made by qt creator code btw19:07
xsacha_yeah i know, it does that on symbian and meego19:07
xsacha_annoying :P19:08
djszapipinheiro: 11th line -> viewer.showExpanded(); ->;19:08
djszapi#ifdef Q_OS_UNIX19:10
djszapi#ifdef Q_OS_MAC19:10
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djszapiwow ^ :)19:10
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faenilI hate raypicking, lol19:12
pinheiroviewer.showExpanded(); ->; make sno difrence19:12
djszapipinheiro: did you rebuild the project ?19:13
xsacha_do you have a ToolBar in your QML?19:14
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pinheironope and you guys can try this just start a blank qml app for meego19:15
xsacha_are you using simulator?19:16
xsacha_i dont get the bar with blank qml app with
pinheirodeploing on the device19:17
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xsacha_pinheiro: try viewer.showFullscreen(); ?19:18
xsacha_although that's what default should be19:18
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pinheirowird think the app shows perfectly wen its on the tumbnail vertsion19:20
xsacha_if not working, you must have a StatusBar or ToolBar element in your qml19:20
xsacha_(that's what that bar is)19:20
rantomI noticed in Contacts/Addressbook that you can import contacts from CalDAV19:21
pinheirome needs to show you guys the screenshot19:21
rantom(N9, retail)19:21
rantomHow would one export contacts to CalDAV since I think it's for calendars, CarDAV is for contacts?19:22
piggzhelp, how can i force oneclickflasher to downgrade by bricked n950....wouldnt turn on after a reboot this morning, installed pr1.1 yesterday!?!?!?19:22
djszapipinheiro: where do you plan to arrive at Munich ?19:22
pinheirothis wen rotating the thing19:23
pinheirodjszapi: late realy late19:23
pinheirolike 11:3019:23
djszapion Sunday ?19:23
pinheirostaright to bed the rise and shine for 6 hours of traning19:23
pinheirodjszapi: see the bug?19:24
pinheirothe top bar is displayed twice19:24
xsacha_oh it's grey and big19:24
xsacha_doesn't look like statusbar19:24
pinheirowird right19:24
xsacha_and it blocks off the notifications too19:25
xsacha_i mean, it goes on to your notification bar19:25
pinheirook that one is with my example messy code but the same thing is valid with the automatic code from qtcreator19:25
pinheirothe hello world buton exmaple19:25
xsacha_and the app isnt fullscreen either19:25
pinheiroit bacame worse after esterdays update19:26
xsacha_oh maybe related to update then19:26
xsacha_im still using qt sdk 1.1.3 on pr 1.019:26
pinheiroit used to be bad but the only thing you would see was the batery icon19:27
pinheirobu now its the woole thing19:27
xsacha_sorry, i have never seen that before :\19:27
pinheirosnif snif19:28
xsacha_try continue with your app and pretend it's not there? :)19:29
xsacha_until you find out what it is19:30
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djszapipinheiro: qtcreator is hassle, you could try vi ;)19:30
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faenildjszapi is a bitch, lol19:30
pinheirome not gona meacs coment on that19:31
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pinheirobtw viewer.showFullscreen(); = error has no member nembed showFullscreen19:32
djszapicapital S19:33
pinheiroit works19:34
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pinheirodough i dont mind the top bar19:35
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djszapipinheiro: time to write a multi-threaded application ;)19:43
pinheirodough qml in 5.0 will do that for me right ?19:44
pinheiroits all magic19:44
pinheiromore pargamaticly how do i chage the traget build to the device19:45
pinheironever mind found it19:45
pinheiroperfecto works like a charm19:47
pinheironow a but more features and think i can put it on the store19:48
pinheiroits real a nice clock for wone is doing presentations19:48
kulveare there any working open source examples for the meego sharing framework plugins in harmattan? I'm trying to create my own but could use some help with it..19:49
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djszapiVenemo: o/21:21
Venemohey djszapi :)21:23
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awallin_on an N9, is it possible to have STARTTLS on port 587 as outgoing smtp-settings? I tried a few settings but couldn't send email21:56
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Hq`hey, anyone interested in trying an alternative terminal, check this out
griwow, arrow keys ;)22:12
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griHq`, any way to scroll up?22:16
Hq`nope, not yet :)22:17
Hq`it saves the buffer but the ui lacks the means to scroll22:17
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RST38hGentlemen, what is the password to "developer" ssh account???22:41
nealask jack ;)22:44
NIN101not owning a harmattan device, but I read it was "rootme".22:45
nealthat's for root22:45
Hq`open "sdk connection" on the device and it will randomize the password for you22:45
RST38hHq: Got it!22:52
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ieatlintas a note, it will remain that password until sdk connection is run again22:58
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lardmanevening chaps23:02
lardmanmore qml questions23:02
lardmandoes one have to use a Q_PROPERTY construct to retrieve a value from a C++ extension?23:02
lardmanI see that e.g. slots can be called directly, or functions with Q_INVOKABLE, do the latter have a void return type?23:03
djszapia slot is a simple function, it can have anything that a simple function can.23:03
djszapiQ_INVOKABLE does not change it either.23:03
lardmanin which case does one need to use Q_PROPERTY to return a value from C++ to QML?23:04
lardmanor does that just mean you don't need to add the () in the QML code? ;)23:04
djszapiI do not understand what you mean, can you give an example, please ?23:04
lardmansure, I would like my C++ code to return a number of strings to the QML code: title of page, email address, email subject and email body23:05
Hq`if you want the value to automatically update in qml, then the property is probably a better choice23:05
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lardmanmy plugin is instantiated as a QML item, and I want to call either methods or read properties to get these strings back23:06
lardmanHq`: auto updating isn't an issue, though I'd be interested to know how that works on the C++ side23:06
djszapieasy, just one setting inside the Q_PROPERTY macro23:07
djszapiNOTIFY somethingHappened23:07
djszapilardman: isn't it what you look for ?
lardmannot sure, certainly I'm looking at that, but equally one of the examples calls a function directly (with Q_INVOKABLE and also mentions that a slot is callable)23:10
lardmanoh I see, how the updates are performed, cool23:11
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M4rtinKdjszapi: btw, various packages still randomly segfaulting the (C++) compiler23:24
M4rtinKfor example:
djszapiM4rtinK: :(23:24
M4rtinKthis one builds fine in your project :)23:24
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djszapibecause it build many weeks ago, I think.23:25
djszapiif I tried to rebuild it, it would probably fail the same way as for you. I do think it is regression as I said in the morning.23:26
M4rtinKanyway, this just should not happen - the package should be either unresolvable or fail23:27
M4rtinKnot fail depending on unrelated packages and/or randomly...23:27
djszapiyeah, does it also fail for a local build ?23:28
M4rtinKI'll check it out23:30
RST38hTo clarify: the last Harmattan update comes without Skype connectivity?23:34
griswipe, swype but no skype23:34
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djszapiis there an alarm application for Harmattan ?23:56
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