| toresbe | You know, I WANT that feature now. | 00:00 |
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| toresbe | Oh, hell. Now I feel an urge to wire my morse key to the headphone cable and writing a HID driver. | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:00 |
| toresbe | MohammadAG: I was asking more in terms of if you knew whether it was possible to do it in the API | 00:00 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, morse would be slow | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | toresbe: Consider a morse-key worn like a medallion, with bluetooth. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | but since you are on about headphones | 00:01 |
| lcuk | could use mic | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Depends on the operator | 00:01 |
| * lcuk nods | 00:01 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though I do question if anyone could hit 60wpm on the headset switch. | 00:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | (though I'd pay to see that) | 00:02 |
| toresbe | SpeedEvil: My Junker key would, if worn around my neck... wear down my neck :) | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | toresbe, not exactly, you have to kill the notification | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | my n900 sees an update available for my packages | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | toresbe, nicolai's app does that nicely | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess i can add some instrumentation to the current packages (the ones about to go away) | 00:03 |
| toresbe | Oh, it's in there already? Neat! | 00:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i don't think "media player" can be copyrighted, so that's not an issue | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | mohammediaplayer | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | momedia works for me | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MoTunes? | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil | With the companion animation player MoToons. | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | myTunes? :P | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if apple would sue | 00:12 |
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| RST38h | yessss | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Free publicity! | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | myTunes, sounds like maetunes | 00:13 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, "mae[APP]" has been used by a number of apps | 00:13 |
| RST38h | mae- is dead | 00:13 |
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| MohammadAG | meemoplayer? :P | 00:14 |
| RST38h | Will Playdo do? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | RST38h, well strangely this app is a look and feel replacement of Maemo specific media player, so its not that wrong | 00:14 |
| noobmonk3y | + | 00:14 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Then call it MediaPlayer+ and be done with it | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | + is an invalid character :P | 00:15 |
| lcuk | we are mostly men here | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | we should just use the first name found | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | MoPlayer then? | 00:16 |
| * lcuk nods | 00:16 | |
| RST38h | Mohammedia Player indeed | 00:16 |
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| Jaffa | Putting ones own name isn't exactly inclusive for contributions from others. | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 00:17 |
| noobmonk3y | MoPlayer works though | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | but Mo isn't my name :P | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | Moe is a nick otoh xP | 00:17 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 00:17 |
| lcuk | isnt debian named after some hackers girlfriend | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, if you thought for one bit I'm using Mohammedia... | 00:17 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Deb(orah) & Ian | 00:17 |
| lcuk | mind you, we can add contributions to her :O | 00:17 |
| Skald | yay just got kmplayer + mkv video + subtitles working on n900 flawlessly ;D | 00:18 |
| Jaffa | Impressive | 00:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, just call it Playa then ;) lol | 00:19 |
| * noobmonk3y cringes at tom cruise saying "Pllllllayer" in a random film | 00:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: Debra :) | 00:20 |
| alterego | I think that was Tropic Thunder | 00:20 |
| noobmonk3y | yup ;) | 00:21 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: According to Wikipedia you are correct. | 00:21 |
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| pradeep | hi all | 00:30 |
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| alterego | Take it extras-devel uploading is out-of-order as well | 00:35 |
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| toresbe | MohammadAG: btw, is this nicolai fellow on the intermIRC? | 00:48 |
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| alterego | Now, do I continue to package all of this seperately, or do I make a single "columbus" source tree that just packages the components in different debs like most other projects .. | 00:51 |
| alterego | Think I'll ponder on it. | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | toresbe, sometimes, he is | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, think of it like this | 00:52 |
| toresbe | What's his nick? | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, if you want to update plugins, you need to update the whole source | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | _nicolai sometimes | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | or nicolai_, not sure | 00:52 |
| toresbe | MohammadAG: thanks for the info. :) | 00:53 |
| alterego | Good point .. | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, a problem I faced with PSFreedom | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | every time I update app, the modules have to be rebuilt | 00:53 |
| alterego | Yeah, seperate versioning is probably useful. | 00:53 |
| alterego | That was kind of the reason for doing this. | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | and I couldn't change this since it would involve a lot of changes to paths | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | otherwise dpkg would try to overwrite files and fail | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | (btw, just a theory, I didn't even try to split it, since I thought of overwriting modules in a different package) | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | so, have different sources, you can update the app without rebuilding the modules and vice versa | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | also, have the plugins in a user/ section so users can update them separately | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | but keep in mind, you need to make it compatible with the new/old plugins | 00:55 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 00:56 |
| alterego | Well, I don't really want my plugins in user/blah | 00:57 |
| alterego | But I'll think about that aswell. | 00:57 |
| alterego | I was thinking of basically having columbus-maemo5 depend on columbus-plugins-core, libcolumbus & librxsupport | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, what if you update plugins without updating the app? | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | you would still need to push two debs if you do that | 00:58 |
| alterego | Yes | 00:59 |
| alterego | I'll think about it. | 00:59 |
| alterego | Or maybe do both | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | think about it now, or you'll have to restructure again :P | 01:00 |
| alterego | Because you want plugins to be installed when you install, not separately. | 01:00 |
| alterego | But an update to plugins will force an update to plugins but leave everything else intact without breakages. | 01:00 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'll do both :P | 01:01 |
| alterego | But then there is also libcolumbus :) | 01:01 |
| alterego | So, HAM wont update any packages unless they're in user/*, ghey :) | 01:02 |
| alterego | Ooo, user/hidden! | 01:02 |
| alterego | Like Ovi, that scht works :) | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | user/hidden is retarded | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | anyone who uses apt-get will be f'd in the ass :P | 01:02 |
| alterego | It's useful for this. | 01:02 |
| alterego | Why? | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | E: Handler Silently Failed | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | try it | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install panorama | 01:03 |
| alterego | Hrm | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | you need a modified apt package | 01:03 |
| alterego | What about dual sections ^.^ | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | dnl Check whether to disable the user/hidden packages | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | --disable-block-hidden Don't block 'user/hidden' packages], | 01:03 |
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| alterego | Meh, can't upload to incoming-builder then .. | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, it's down | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | drop.maemo.org | 01:07 |
| alterego | I know. | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | *.maemo.org | 01:07 |
| alterego | all day .. | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | talk's an exception | 01:08 |
| alterego | laaaaaame | 01:08 |
| alterego | Yes, this isn't the first or even second or third time I've suffered this :D | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | nowplayingwindow.ui? :P | 01:08 |
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| alterego | What massive ISP firms should do is employ people from all kinds of different religions then get other workers to take the slack when a religion has its' massive holidays. | 01:11 |
| alterego | Thus solving religious wars and such. | 01:11 |
| alterego | We'd all be one happy connected family then :) | 01:11 |
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| loft306 | thats to easy alterego | 01:14 |
| alterego | Obviously agnostics and atheists would have to be donated holidays. | 01:15 |
| alterego | Maybe even they could get all religious holidays off for showing common sense. | 01:15 |
| alterego | *chuckles* | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | alterego: that would encourage false religions | 01:16 |
| alterego | luke-jr: "false" religions? | 01:16 |
| alterego | You mean, "religions"? | 01:16 |
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| luke-jr | I mean false religions | 01:16 |
| alterego | Anyway, this is one of the no-noes in #maemo | 01:16 |
| alterego | All religions are false to another religion tbh .. | 01:17 |
| alterego | So that argument makes no sense. | 01:17 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: false is an objective measure | 01:19 |
| alterego | Which gets thrown out the window when you talk about religion :P | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | nope | 01:20 |
| * alterego needs to setup his own repository. | 01:20 | |
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| loft306 | the'll just have to work all the time | 01:21 |
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| alterego | Think I might start mirroring extras .. | 01:21 |
| loft306 | ack! was scrolled | 01:21 |
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| alterego | Really impressed how well Columbus runs in scratchbox .. | 01:23 |
| alterego | Tomorrow I'm implementing columbus<->columbus streaming | 01:23 |
| alterego | And finishing with my header sanitization. | 01:24 |
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| alterego | Wow, portrait is really screwed in scratchbox .. | 01:26 |
| * loft306 eyes are fuvvy today cont see the device | 01:27 | |
| loft306 | fuzzy | 01:27 |
| loft306 | much less read onything on the screen | 01:28 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, how are you turning it to portrait mode? | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | mce? | 01:30 |
| alterego | Using Qt | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | actually, nvm, the Xeyphr window's the same | 01:30 |
| alterego | The normal way in qt by setting window flags. | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | so the controls will be... | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin maemo STILL down? >:-( | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but controls won't be flipped | 01:31 |
| alterego | Well, it stopped working. | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: stop your DoS attack now! | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | not me | 01:32 |
| alterego | Orientation was fine, but menu didn't work and my swipe to pan views stopped working. | 01:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer suspects maemo has created his own DoS suicide. recursive CSS | 01:33 | |
| alterego | Heh | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and all programmers know a recursion needs a termination condition. Maemo's is "if server_down == 100" | 01:35 |
| * loft306 opens ffx with 12 maemo tabs | 01:35 | |
| loft306 | all but one loaded | 01:35 |
| loft306 | the wviki still out to lunchL | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:36 |
| loft306 | ? | 01:36 |
| loft306 | what happenedL christamas ? | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nxt time friggin wiki is up I'll have to wget it. Completely | 01:38 |
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| loft306 | heh | 01:38 |
| * alterego wonders why madde isn't picking up his header files in sysroot/usr/include .. | 01:39 | |
| loft306 | Hint to nokia: hawe a bacjup snerver | 01:39 |
| loft306 | fingers gona alreaiy | 01:39 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: google cache? | 01:39 |
| loft306 | heh | 01:40 |
| achipa | hint to loft306: have a spellchecker :) | 01:40 |
| loft306 | i do | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | google cache will survive a final teardown of m.o by Nokia just so long | 01:40 |
| loft306 | but its not me spelling just rired fingers | 01:40 |
| loft306 | tired | 01:40 |
| achipa | but anyway, will have to ask what our distinguished SLA is... | 01:40 |
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| alterego | No one is talking about a final tear-down ffs. | 01:41 |
| loft306 | and need spell fixer | 01:41 |
| alterego | And that is _years_ away .. | 01:41 |
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| achipa | prolly 95% :S | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's the problem with teardowns. They often happen without any warning | 01:42 |
| alterego | You're doing that annoying thing again | 01:42 |
| alterego | You obviously don't believe it's some conspiritorial Nokia tear down. | 01:42 |
| * loft306 scratches head | 01:42 | |
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| alterego | And maemo.org costs so little to run from their perspective, they've also promised it'll be up as long as we're still here. | 01:43 |
| alterego | And they wouldn't turn it off without telling us. | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't believe anything except my own backups | 01:43 |
| alterego | Despite what you may think of them, | 01:43 |
| alterego | Well, give them an offer for maemo.org :P | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 01:44 |
| alterego | Besides, maemo.org is controlled by a sub-contractor. | 01:44 |
| alterego | afair | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | even worse | 01:44 |
| alterego | Nokia have very little input into it. | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | bs | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | It's not hosted at nokia :-) | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | when red bend started sending c&d letters | 01:44 |
| alterego | Not really, the sub-contractor is a massive maemo fan | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | they were very eager to do it | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | and nokia lawyers got involved | 01:45 |
| alterego | It's a FOSS pushing company, can't remmeber what they're called. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't care - I just like to have my backup. And I honestly doubt anybody needs to flame me for that | 01:45 |
| loft306 | heh | 01:45 |
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| alterego | Sorry, it's just your attitude :P | 01:45 |
| alterego | You're always, "It's the end of the world!" .. "Nokia are destroying the best mobile platform" bleurgh | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | where do you conclude about my attitude. I don't offer enough detail for you to have the slightest idea about my attitude | 01:46 |
| alterego | Now why doesn't madde see my freain' headers .. | 01:46 |
| alterego | It is how you come across DocScrutinizer, it's nothing personal but the way you word things often get missinterpreted (or maybe not) as rude and generally quite negative. | 01:47 |
| alterego | Though, I'm british and it's a pretty common tone .. | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | well i'm really surprised that nokia isn't hosting it on their own servers or something | 01:47 |
| jacekowski | but have it like that outsourced | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, iirc because maemo.org wanted more flexibility than what having nokia IT people standing over their shoulders would have given | 01:48 |
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| alterego | nyurgh .. | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | even when I say "XY sucks!" you can't know if I'm bitter or have tongue in cheek | 01:49 |
| alterego | m'hmm. | 01:49 |
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| ShadowJK | That's why you don't do tongue in cheek on IRC without having the tongue in cheek smilies | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:50 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I need no smilies, I'm smiling myself | 01:50 |
| alterego | So, Qt Creator seems my header, but it fails to find it when included .. | 01:50 |
| ShadowJK | That's communication failure then | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaaaall the time | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm admittedly poor at communications | 01:51 |
| alterego | Oh, that is just absurd | 01:51 |
| alterego | It compiles when I build it manually in madde .. | 01:51 |
| alterego | But qt creator fscks it up. | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | check env | 01:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, doing it. | 01:52 |
| alterego | Looks fine. | 01:52 |
| alterego | Oh well .. | 01:52 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer sucks! | 01:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I concur | 01:53 |
| * GAN900 complains ironically about cold weather. | 01:53 | |
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| lolloo | how do I make softcamera button do CTRL+SHIFT+R | 01:56 |
| lolloo | for portrait mode. | 01:56 |
| lolloo | is there a way to let softcamera button click these . | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, there's "an app for that" - well not exactly. Something like cam-menu or whatever | 01:58 |
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| lolloo | shortcutd app | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the question what ctl-sh-R really does | 01:59 |
| lolloo | rotation portrait mode. | 02:00 |
| lolloo | for all apps on N900 | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know THAT | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | but HOW | 02:00 |
| lolloo | just click it | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 02:00 |
| lolloo | simple | 02:00 |
| lolloo | amazing u never knew | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I expected a developer answer | 02:00 |
| lolloo | yeah Shortcutd is developed by developer | 02:01 |
| lolloo | so get it and dont ask. | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: there's some method called in system, whether it's a dbus call, invocation of xrndr or whatever | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: you starting to get unpolite | 02:01 |
| lolloo | no I use shortcutD | 02:01 |
| lolloo | its cold | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if it needs any more proof I suck on conversation.... | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, get your answer elsewhere then | 02:04 |
| lolloo | Me too when its cold. | 02:04 |
| zutesmog | DocScrutinizer: I don't blame you! | 02:04 |
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| lolloo | omg I was looking for one. | 02:10 |
| lolloo | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Nokia-Apps-Development-OpenSymbian/dp/1430231777/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1293494691&sr=8-3 | 02:10 |
| lolloo | does it apply to N900? | 02:10 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, I'm wondering which brilliant answer will take so long to write down | 02:12 |
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| lolloo | since it's QT I think it applies to N900 maemo5 | 02:12 |
| lolloo | right? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, I'm off before *I* start to become unpolite | 02:13 |
| lolloo | P.R1.3 has QT support I think. | 02:13 |
| alterego | We've had Qt since PR1.2 actually. | 02:14 |
| alterego | Well, before in fact but officially in images in PR1.2 | 02:14 |
| lolloo | oh never knew. | 02:14 |
| lolloo | stupid me. | 02:14 |
| alterego | Anyway, that book is probably fairly applicable to maemo5 and Qt | 02:15 |
| alterego | But obviously maemo specific things will be missing | 02:15 |
| lolloo | mmm any books pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaase | 02:15 |
| lolloo | QT specially | 02:15 |
| lolloo | QT will support new phones too. right? | 02:16 |
| alterego | Well that worked. | 02:16 |
| lolloo | awesome | 02:16 |
| alterego | To use mad for packaging you have to use -d to ignore dependencies. | 02:16 |
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| alterego | lolloo: to be honest, I don't know any decent books for Qt, I learned everything looking at Qt source and reading API docs. | 02:17 |
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| lolloo | thats you. | 02:17 |
| lolloo | me nooooooooooob | 02:17 |
| alterego | If you've never programmed before, a book is probably advisable, though not always neccessary | 02:17 |
| pupnik | this npm guy did some cool work with high-level GUI toolkits back in 1990 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=121998 | 02:17 |
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| lolloo | I want something future proof, I dont want to waste time. | 02:18 |
| lolloo | I know C++ | 02:18 |
| alterego | If you know C++ you shouldn't need a book on Qt | 02:18 |
| lolloo | wow | 02:18 |
| alterego | It's just a C++ application framework. | 02:18 |
| alterego | There's the official Qt book, which has a slightly older version online. | 02:19 |
| alterego | For free | 02:19 |
| lcuk | i like reading real books sometimes | 02:19 |
| alterego | Newer technologies, well, there's probably a lot more useful information in blogs and examples tbh | 02:19 |
| alterego | Sure, I'm just saying. | 02:19 |
| alterego | If you want something futureproof, don't buy a book on programming in an API that changes quite a lot over time :) | 02:20 |
| lcuk | blogs and examples are too easy to get sidet ... oh cool, a new comment | 02:20 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:21 |
| lcuk | if the api changes so drastically with each revision that the fundamentals are not important then there is something wrong. | 02:21 |
| alterego | I really like this mouse I got for Crimbo :) | 02:21 |
| alterego | lc | 02:21 |
| alterego | I don't think the fundamentals of Qt are worth a book :) | 02:22 |
| lcuk | then the book is not aimed at you | 02:22 |
| lolloo | what books you got lcuk. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | been reading the gruffalo recently | 02:23 |
| alterego | I would recommend the Qt book though, I read the online version, well, some bits of it, and it seems nice. | 02:23 |
| lcuk | another few days and I might actually finish it | 02:23 |
| alterego | The Gruffalo! :D | 02:23 |
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| alterego | Hrm, note to self, packaging using mad is impossible (I think) | 02:24 |
| alterego | Well, dh_shlibdeps is failing now. | 02:24 |
| lcuk | last book I actually sat down and read was {fleet/juggler/destroyer} of worlds series by Larry Niven | 02:24 |
| alterego | I wonder how it gets its' dep list. | 02:24 |
| alterego | It's found the library but can't tell what package that library comes from. | 02:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head about Lennart's appearance @ 27C3 | 02:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | reminded me at balmer rap | 02:26 |
| loft306 | ewww | 02:26 |
| alterego | Oooo, the button on the side is a "back" button. | 02:26 |
| alterego | Neat. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | "developers developers developers " errr "it's freeeeeeeeee! it's freeeeeeeeeee!!!" | 02:26 |
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| lolloo | congrat me. I bought the book | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least i'm now clear about how PA managed to creap in everywhere | 02:32 |
| alterego | Hrm, I'm gonna need to come up with a better development setup now :/ | 02:32 |
| alterego | I guess if I could work on integrating Qt Creator better with scratchbox so I get code completion | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably Lennart visited the major distro HQ and acted ther the same way he did @ 27C3, until they promised to include PA to next release if only he leaves and never comes back | 02:33 |
| nox- | haha | 02:35 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: was berlin fun? | 02:35 |
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| npm | pupnik: i also used WINTERP to build http://nielsmayer.com/wwweasel/ and http://nielsmayer.com/p93-shepherd.pdf (doing "web" before the web, using email) | 03:11 |
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| alterego | "maemo.org (except talk.) down?" 14 posts | 03:16 |
| alterego | I guess maemo really is becoming small. | 03:16 |
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| npm | any mention on when it'll be back up? | 03:26 |
| Arkenoi | so the flash player 10 from TI is actually even _slower_ than default one? | 03:27 |
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| nox- | i think it was mentioned here that the default one was optimized by nokia too... | 03:33 |
| jacekowski | yes | 03:34 |
| jacekowski | and it's not real flash 10 as such | 03:34 |
| jacekowski | some things are missing | 03:34 |
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| ShadowJK | what things? | 03:35 |
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| ShadowJK | real features or just "hw accel missing", which was pretty much a given as there was no hw accel in the desktop linux version either. | 03:38 |
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| Arkenoi | ShadowJK, but it is *not* mising in android version, right? | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | eh nfi :) | 03:41 |
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| lucent | checking out the T-Mobile IPv6 Friendly-User-Trial, now. Still setting up N900 and Maemo | 04:50 |
| lucent | it's weird that I have to work around the Maemo interface to get it done, hmm... what's a sensible way to add IPv6 DNS? | 04:50 |
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| luke-jr | lucent: what plan do you use? | 04:53 |
| lucent | luke-jr: it's EvenMorePlus500 basic and I've added unlimited net for $10/month | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | lucent: you can possibly drop that to $5/mo via retentions dept | 04:54 |
| * luke-jr doesn't want to risk upsetting his $0/mo unlimited data >_< | 04:55 | |
| lucent | heh, good advice! :) | 04:55 |
| lucent | have you tried the IPv6 trial, then? | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | Google sez T-Mo does have a $5/mo data plan for "old" customers | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | no, since I don't want to risk losing my plan :P | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | I'm sure if anyone looked into it, they'd say too bad | 04:56 |
| lucent | oh okay, now I understand | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | now if someone else with it has succeeded…. then I'll try :P | 04:57 |
| lucent | according to the individual who is sheparding the effort, he has direct access to tinker with stuff, but it gets reset if you make changes to your account | 04:57 |
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| lucent | luke-jr: I won't cover your losses if I'm wrong, but I think that this person is not concerned with how much you're paying | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | well, the beta page does say you need one of their "unlimited" plans. so he might care that I'm on a standard unlimited plan | 04:58 |
| lucent | yeah I don't think it would be risky to apply on the form | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | I mean that I'm *not* on a standard plan | 05:00 |
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| lucent | right, but from a company view, the guy is going to check "can I sign this person up for the FUT or not?" and not worry about your details | 05:01 |
| lucent | just my two cents man, don't mind me :) | 05:01 |
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| lucent | given that /etc/resolv.conf contains a line "nameserver 127.0.0.1", how to make that IPv6 enabled? | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | i think you need kernel-power | 05:02 |
| lucent | is it what, dnsmasq or something? will that listen on ::1 | 05:02 |
| lucent | oh, correct MohammadAG and actually I do have kernel-power :) | 05:03 |
| merlin1991 | lucent, yes it's dnsmasq | 05:03 |
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| MohammadAG | just making sure ;) | 05:03 |
| * MohammadAG wants orientation lock | 05:03 | |
| lucent | I have kernel-power, n900ipv6 goodies from code.google.com/p/n900ipv6 | 05:03 |
| lucent | ha orientation lock | 05:03 |
| MohammadAG | it's annoying in photos | 05:04 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 05:04 |
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| lucent | I want the phone to wake up when I get a call without it lagging on orientation changes and the "ANSWER" button not suddenly shifting around | 05:04 |
| lucent | heard of anyone successfully making a hardware button answer the phone when it rings? would work for me if it did | 05:05 |
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| lucent | merlin1991: how to make dnsmasq listen on localhost ::1 ? | 05:13 |
| luke-jr | lucent: it does by default for me | 05:15 |
| lucent | oh, how can you tell? | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | netstat -t | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | -tl | 05:17 |
| lucent | mine says only "tcp 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" | 05:17 |
| lucent | no tcp6 | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | maybe Maemo's dnsmasq was built w/o IPv6 support | 05:18 |
| lucent | oh, that could be | 05:18 |
| lucent | luke-jr: does that mean, you have built your own dnsmasq? | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | lucent: no, I was looking at my router :P | 05:21 |
| lucent | seems to be /etc/event.d/dnsmasq | 05:23 |
| lucent | "exec /usr/bsbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z" hardcoded | 05:23 |
| lucent | typos obviously ^^ | 05:24 |
| luke-jr | lol | 05:24 |
| lucent | going to try "exec /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -a ::1 -z" | 05:26 |
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| lucent | shoot, doesn't work | 05:30 |
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| lucent | don't know why it doesn't start correctly, when I start it manually it works fine | 05:34 |
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| lucent | luke-jr: any idea why "-a ::1" would make dnsmasq fail to execute from /etc/event.d/dnsmasq ? | 05:43 |
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| pupnik | 2 hours of mp3 playback and battery meter reads 99% | 06:00 |
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| lucent | ha, battery meter not working? | 06:00 |
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| pupnik | lucent: guess what, it's not a n900 | 06:10 |
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| hatake_kakashi | and so the million dollar question is: what phone is it? | 06:16 |
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| pupnik | internet tablet hatake_kakashi - archos a70s running linux | 06:17 |
| hatake_kakashi | pupnik: ahh a different distribution yet again :) | 06:18 |
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| pupnik | hatake_kakashi: i wish nokia had continued the internet tablet tradition | 06:19 |
| hatake_kakashi | too bad that device doesn't have phone functionality built-in | 06:19 |
| pupnik | i think it's better without | 06:19 |
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| hatake_kakashi | pupnik, then again nokia is bleeding red after having iphone as well as android phones eating away it's share of phone market | 06:21 |
| SpeedEvil | blackberry on the other side | 06:22 |
| psycho_oreos | and speaking of which about blackberry: http://firstain.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/cartoon_iphone-vs-android-vs-bb.jpeg | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | lucent: [22:18:12] <luke-jr> maybe Maemo's dnsmasq was built w/o IPv6 support | 06:23 |
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| pupnik | hatake_kakashi: well the pioneer of a technology often isn't the one who capitalizes on the idea | 06:24 |
| hatake_kakashi | pupnik, granted however nokia isn't a company that just focuses on internet tablets | 06:25 |
| pupnik | they invented the first usable ones | 06:26 |
| pupnik | a courageous band of real computer geeks within the company | 06:26 |
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| pupnik | so the nokia geeks pioneered the way and showed the world it could be done | 06:27 |
| pupnik | then apple and google showed the business world how that tech could be used for evil, and profit :D | 06:27 |
| hatake_kakashi | then again I think it was the whole reality of marketing and trends saw internet tablets as a niche market | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: nonsense | 06:28 |
| pupnik | yes... but apple saw how to make money off operators | 06:28 |
| pupnik | and google saw how to make money off advertisements | 06:28 |
| pupnik | with the same tech | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | internet tablets have existed before Nokia even dreamed of it | 06:28 |
| hatake_kakashi | apple made a killing from its app store from what I understood | 06:28 |
| pupnik | nah, 770 was the first real one | 06:28 |
| pupnik | previous 'tablets' didn't have the battery/cpu/size/screen magic bullet | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: bs | 06:30 |
| luke-jr | 770 was a failed idea | 06:30 |
| luke-jr | it was underpowered for its generation | 06:30 |
| luke-jr | the earlier tablets at least had appropriate batt/cpu/size/screen for their time | 06:30 |
| johnx | it really was, considering it came *after* the zauruses | 06:30 |
| luke-jr | 64 MB made sense back in 2003, not 2007 | 06:31 |
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| pupnik | yes but the zaurus was 700 euro and the 770 was 350 | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | but the 770 was far less capable | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | it lacked a keyboard, etc | 06:32 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | hmm..... does the N900 respond really poorly to being short on battery? | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | even today, the Zaurus keyboard is far superior to even the N810 and N900 | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: it shuts down | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: if it's too slow, it won't even charge* | 06:32 |
| pupnik | ok sharp was first you're right | 06:32 |
| tzafrir_laptop | luke-jr, I'd be glad if it were only that. I have it connected to USB for several hours now, | 06:33 |
| tzafrir_laptop | and it still won't power up | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: try using the wall adapter for 30 mins | 06:33 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | luke-jr, what's the difference? | 06:33 |
| lucent | har, zaurus, I owned that once | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: the wall adapter is supposed to charge faster I think | 06:34 |
| tzafrir_laptop | (and yesterday I connected it to the wall adapter, and it took quite a while | 06:34 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Aren't both just USB? | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: actually, might not matter since the emergency-charge-mode is only ultra-slow | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | lucent: one of the PDAs, or the handhelds/i.tablets? | 06:35 |
| lucent | the C3200 | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | ah, that was the last gen | 06:35 |
| lucent | and the C3000, for what it matters they were the same | 06:35 |
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| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: there is no 'just USB' | 06:35 |
| tzafrir_laptop | The sad thing is that it was connected to USB power all day, but 5 minutes after I left the office I noticed that the battery is almost empty | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | lucent: what happen to it? | 06:35 |
| lucent | luke-jr: I never found a daily use for it, and sold it | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: sure? plugged in != charging | 06:36 |
| lucent | nice hardware, though. | 06:36 |
| tzafrir_laptop | luke-jr, do I have to ask it to start charging? | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: if you connect it to Windows, you do I think | 06:36 |
| johnx | tzafrir_laptop, the wall charger will give it more than 500mA. a USB port on a PC will probably only give it 500mA max | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | Linux just tells it OK go ahead | 06:37 |
| lucent | N900 is my return to a "pocket linux" device, and I think I'm actually using it because it has a phone and a nice camera | 06:37 |
| tzafrir_laptop | luke-jr, so if I just connect it, it won't start charging immediately? | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: I don't think Windows will, no | 06:37 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | regardless of what connection it will use? | 06:37 |
| tzafrir_laptop | I use Linux | 06:37 |
| lucent | tzafrir_laptop: I think zaurus needs 24 hours to charge, if the battery was too low | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: Linux will probably, but then it depends on the motherboard's capabilities | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: it's also possible to have N900 doing too much that it can't charge | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | that is, using more power than it can get | 06:38 |
| tzafrir_laptop | luke-jr, there are many USB-powered devices (that only take power). IIRC I don't see them on lsusb | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: irrelevant | 06:39 |
| lucent | kernel can shut down power if it sees too much drain, I think | 06:39 |
| johnx | also, I've had mine fail to begin charging and needed to unplug and re-plug before it started charging | 06:40 |
| lucent | tzafrir_laptop: are you trying to charge an N900, or a zaurus? sorry I was missing this | 06:40 |
| * tzafrir_laptop wonders when he will eventually give up and start using a phone that Just Works | 06:41 | |
| luke-jr | down with phones! | 06:41 |
| johnx | tzafrir_laptop, when someone makes one? | 06:41 |
| tzafrir_laptop | As opposed to a computer that is also a resonably nice phone | 06:41 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | johnx, my previous mobile phones work nicely. | 06:41 |
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| luke-jr | my grandmother's cell phone is amusing | 06:42 |
| tzafrir_laptop | They don't do anything close to what the N900 does, but they do it well | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't have a display, just a numpad | 06:42 |
| lucent | I have no illusions, it is true that N900 has a bonus feature called a phone | 06:42 |
| * johnx pictures tzafrir_laptop with a rotary dialed phone from the 50s :) | 06:42 | |
| luke-jr | OMG | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | that would be a killer app | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | a rotary dialer | 06:43 |
| tzafrir_laptop | johnx, look for my avatar on jabber.org | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | for N900 | 06:43 |
| lucent | o_O | 06:43 |
| lucent | with resistive touchscreen? I'm not liking that :/ but great idea | 06:43 |
| psycho_oreos | wait for the novelty to wear off for today's trends | 06:43 |
| lucent | would rock on a capacitive screen | 06:43 |
| tzafrir_laptop | analog phone networks of today still support pulse dialing. I suspect GSM networks don't | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | tzafrir_laptop: well it would emulate that side ofc | 06:44 |
| tzafrir_laptop | there's a simpler interface than the dial: | 06:44 |
| tzafrir_laptop | click once for 1, 2 for 2, etc. | 06:45 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | Which is the pulse that is actually sent. | 06:45 |
| tzafrir_laptop | And which nobody will get right on a touch screen :-) | 06:45 |
| lucent | luke-jr: as in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLb7dJ8_VY | 06:45 |
| psycho_oreos | and traditional rotary dials did not have an undo button, one mistake and you're going to have to repeat the whole sequence again.. I can imagine how much fun that'll be when it comes to international calling combined with calling cards that use automated responses within a time frame | 06:46 |
| lucent | luke-jr: FYI the fix for IPv6 was to add "::1" nameserver to resolv.conf, and to make sure dnsmasq started WITHOUT the "-z" (bind interfaces) option | 06:48 |
| lucent | not totally sold that it's the correct solution, but it is close to what I wanted | 06:48 |
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| lucent | better would be to get dnsmasq bound to ::1 and retain the -z option | 06:49 |
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| lucent | when I tried "-a 127.0.0.1 -a ::1 -z" then dnsmasq would not start from its upstart job | 06:49 |
| lucent | simply "-a 127.0.0.1" it starts, and I'm sure will cause problems if I want another instance of dnsmasq running, but I don't need that right now and haven't an idea how to do it correctly | 06:50 |
| tzafrir_laptop | speaking of dnsmasq: is there any problem with not preventing it from resolving local addresses? | 06:52 |
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| lucent | tzafrir_laptop: double negative logic, could you rephrase a bit? | 06:52 |
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| alterego | Just sent my gf away in a taxi to Paris | 06:53 |
| alterego | 5am, nuergh | 06:53 |
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| johnx | tzafrir_laptop, errr, what do you want it to do that it's not doing right now? | 06:55 |
| * tzafrir_laptop looks for the name of that option | 06:56 | |
| tzafrir_laptop | until I find it: here's what telephony people think about rotary phones: http://tzafrir.org.il/~tzafrir/touchtone1.wav | 06:58 |
| tzafrir_laptop | (from the Asterisk 'extra' sounds tarball) | 06:58 |
| lucent | the amplitude on that audio file is pretty low, wonder why that isn't normalized | 07:00 |
| johnx | tzafrir_laptop, which is funny, because that's approximately how I feel about phone menus :) | 07:00 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | the option is 'domain-needed' . What happens if I remove '--domain-needed' from the dnsmasq command-line? | 07:01 |
| johnx | probably nothing helpful but nothing bad? | 07:02 |
| johnx | if the DNS server on your local network answers queries like that it might actually be helpful | 07:03 |
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| johnx | tzafrir_laptop, cool. that's actually helpful for me | 07:07 |
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| MaKa | guys... | 07:56 |
| MaKa | urgent help needed.. | 07:56 |
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| slonopotamus | is there any way to see _all_ mail headers for message in modest? | 07:57 |
| johnx | MaKa, just ask the question :) | 07:57 |
| MaKa | after installing multiboot,on the very next reboot,i dont find any kernel to select | 07:57 |
| MaKa | :( | 07:57 |
| MaKa | now its a kinda deadlock:() | 07:57 |
| MaKa | i cant boot into my maemo..:( | 07:57 |
| MaKa | nor into my memorycard.. | 07:58 |
| johnx | MaKa, do you have a linux desktop to use? | 07:58 |
| MaKa | yep,but i am far away from it right now.. | 07:58 |
| MaKa | as far as my office from my home :P | 07:58 |
| MaKa | any root cause upto ur knowledge johnx? | 07:59 |
| johnx | ah, well you could probably use your nokia flasher on your linux desktop to load the stock kernel into RAM once so you could boot into maemo and fix things | 07:59 |
| MaKa | i have the meego image on the MicroSD card.. | 07:59 |
| johnx | nope. never played with multiboot | 07:59 |
| MaKa | oh.. | 07:59 |
| MaKa | i was using bootmenu-n900 so far.. | 07:59 |
| MaKa | just gave a try for multiboot and i am hung.. :D | 08:00 |
| MaKa | do i need to reflash anything? | 08:00 |
| MaKa | or just run the kernel flasher command to just load the rootfs?? | 08:00 |
| johnx | probably not if you can get booted into maemo | 08:00 |
| MaKa | ya okay thanks johnx... | 08:01 |
| johnx | luckily you can reflash just the kernel+bootloader+initfs without reflashing the rootfs+emmc | 08:01 |
| MaKa | am desperately in need of a solution to boot now without having to goto a desktop,which seems to be impossible now:P | 08:01 |
| MaKa | thanks to #maemo :) | 08:02 |
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| Termana | good morning | 08:02 |
| johnx | there should be a CLI flasher for windows and mac, but I don't know enough about them to be helpful | 08:02 |
| johnx | mornin' Termana | 08:02 |
| MaKa | there is a maemo flasher for windows and it works as fine as the Linux thing.. | 08:03 |
| MaKa | morning Termana :) | 08:03 |
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| MaKa | hey johnx,what shud i do now exactly??? :P | 08:06 |
| MaKa | i mean i dont know how exactly to load the stock kernel into RAM | 08:06 |
| johnx | have you used flasher before? | 08:07 |
| MaKa | yeah,i have used it for flashing the emmc and the firmware.. | 08:08 |
| johnx | so first of all: download a copy of the normal firmware | 08:09 |
| johnx | make sure it matches whatever you have installed | 08:09 |
| MaKa | ya okay,, | 08:09 |
| MaKa | i have the same thing,that is okay!! | 08:09 |
| johnx | errr, before we start, you've googled a bit first, right? ;) | 08:10 |
| MaKa | right :) | 08:10 |
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| johnx | so you tried holding 0 to boot maemo? | 08:10 |
| MaKa | yep.. | 08:11 |
| MaKa | it shows ,what | 08:11 |
| MaKa | wait i will tell you now what it tells me.. | 08:11 |
| MaKa | it says,can't flash kernel,required files not found | 08:11 |
| johnx | errr, it says that when booting your N900? | 08:12 |
| MaKa | Guru meditation#00000025.62017712 | 08:12 |
| MaKa | after pressing the 0 on multiboot screen.. | 08:12 |
| MaKa | also says hit any key to panic.. :( | 08:13 |
| johnx | so first I'd unpack the firmware image: flasher-3.5 -u firmware.bin | 08:14 |
| MaKa | okay,i will have the unpacked image.. | 08:15 |
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| johnx | flasher-3.5 -k kernel-image.bin -l -b | 08:15 |
| johnx | I don't know the exact filename | 08:15 |
| MaKa | this will boot the n900 with native os,right? | 08:16 |
| MaKa | thanks Johnx:) | 08:16 |
| MaKa | http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware&usg=AFQjCNE17uoU0pVr75bGZqiKh0BWlPrfSw | 08:16 |
| johnx | you might want to look at flasher-3.5 --help so you can double check, before just trusting me | 08:16 |
| johnx | MaKa, it should load the maemo kernel into RAM, *once* | 08:16 |
| johnx | but I honestly don't know exactly how multiboot works, so that may or may not be enough | 08:16 |
| MaKa | ya,ONCE...that is enuf for me to uninstall this multiboot :) | 08:17 |
| MaKa | oh my god :( | 08:17 |
| MaKa | let me give it a kick.. :) | 08:17 |
| MaKa | the above link is down i guesss.. | 08:17 |
| MaKa | cant open in my network.. | 08:17 |
| johnx | me neither | 08:18 |
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| johnx | back in a couple minutes | 08:19 |
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| johnx | any luck MaKa ? | 08:30 |
| MaKa | Not so far.. | 08:31 |
| johnx | is flasher managing to load the kernel? | 08:31 |
| MaKa | yep.. | 08:33 |
| MaKa | flasher when done in updating mode,directly loads the kernel.. | 08:34 |
| MaKa | i guess i will be able to boot into maemo soon :) | 08:34 |
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| jon8 | cute spam guys | 09:11 |
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| doc|home | what? | 09:11 |
| jon8 | ah, n/m.. | 09:11 |
| jon8 | geneven was trying to join here | 09:11 |
| jon8 | and didnt send the command properly. | 09:11 |
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| doc|home | erm | 09:12 |
| doc|home | sure! | 09:12 |
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| aslani | maemo.org should be online, if ISP did what I asked from them | 09:43 |
| aslani | sorry for huge delay, but their customer support is not the best | 09:44 |
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| xDaReaperx | who's the ISP ? | 09:47 |
| xDaReaperx | it's down majority of the time | 09:48 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 09:48 |
| aslani | well, it's probably better that we do not start blaming anyone here | 09:48 |
| aslani | they really had big issues | 09:49 |
| aslani | two of their DCs went totally powerless | 09:49 |
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| xDaReaperx | oh | 09:55 |
| xDaReaperx | atleast it's back now | 09:55 |
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| achipa | well... not entirely, the autobuilder is still pretty much dead | 10:06 |
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| Milo- | where does maemo5 hold its 'current ringtone' link or file? | 10:07 |
| xDaReaperx | there's an actual load on the server ? | 10:08 |
| Milo- | or in which configuration file is that defined in? | 10:08 |
| Milo- | or is it unaccessible information? | 10:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | Milo-: iirc it's copied to some space outside of MyDocs | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | so that it can be used in all cases | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you could figure it out by using strace or strings or something | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably fairly obvious | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | (i'm too lazy to look for the ui spec, sources, or similar) | 10:50 |
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| RST38h | moorning. | 11:02 |
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| Venemo | good morning guys | 11:03 |
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| xDaReaperx | Morning | 11:14 |
| xDaReaperx | Afternoon ! | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | evening | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | good night! | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | for people too young to remember that, it's http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120382/quotes | 11:14 |
| xDaReaperx | I'll step back | 11:15 |
| xDaReaperx | cause i'm not American | 11:15 |
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| Khertan_ | Hum ... maemo.org seems back to life :) | 11:36 |
| Khertan_ | Morning all ! | 11:37 |
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| Venemo | morning Khertan_ :) | 11:48 |
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| Khertan_ | morning Venemo | 11:52 |
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| rcg | did the autobuilder also pick up the work again? | 11:58 |
| rcg | morning btw ;) | 11:58 |
| xDaReaperx | all the homepage posts at maemor.org's homepage is gone | 12:00 |
| xDaReaperx | theres only one | 12:00 |
| rcg | ah, apparently it did | 12:01 |
| Khertan_ | rcg: autobuilder seems to work | 12:02 |
| Khertan_ | but my packages aren't push yet to repository | 12:03 |
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| X-Fade | xDaReaperx: The homepage post just have aged because no new votes were given over the past 24 hours. | 12:03 |
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| xDaReaperx | oh okay | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | xDaReaperx: That is a good thing normally, but now it looks a bit weird :) | 12:04 |
| Khertan_ | rcg: but it s normal as i ve pushed it 10m ago | 12:04 |
| xDaReaperx | Haha yeah it does | 12:04 |
| Khertan_ | X-Fade: thx for having pushed the missing dependencies of Khweeteur in extras | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: I just managed to do that before the outage ;) | 12:05 |
| Khertan_ | X-Fade: :) | 12:05 |
| Khertan_ | indeed, Khweeteur user was whinning because while i ve pushed a broken new version in extras (due to missing dependencies), pyside team pushed new beta of binding which break the devel version of Khweeteur | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: Life of a repository manager is great ;) | 12:07 |
| Khertan_ | the life of a developper/packager isn't bad too :) | 12:08 |
| Khertan_ | also i ve a question to the good repository manager you are :) | 12:09 |
| Khertan_ | did you think http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pyside/0.1.4.5-0maemo1/ should not be removed from extras-devel as, it s outdated and unmaintained ? | 12:10 |
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| rcg | X-Fade: our hero! .. as in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: I wonder what is up with that one :) | 12:14 |
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| Khertan_ | X-Fade: :) | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: After 3 package name changes, it is a bit confusing. | 12:17 |
| Khertan_ | X-Fade: indeed | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: python-pyside is the latest one it seems. | 12:17 |
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| Khertan_ | X-Fade: yes it is | 12:18 |
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| Khertan_ | X-Fade: the last bugged one :) (but it s another story) | 12:18 |
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| Khertan_ | X-Fade: if only one day we can have same package name between each distributions too ... it ll be marvelous ! | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: Yes, the stable api promise should come at some point :) | 12:20 |
| Khertan_ | example : qt4-devel, qt-devel, qt4-dev, ... :) | 12:20 |
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| Khertan_ | X-Fade: yep ... but it ll come only if i stop inserting bug in their bugzilla :) | 12:20 |
| Khertan_ | anyway they made a great quality binding in really few time | 12:21 |
| Khertan_ | i ll be happy to be the first to push an app which depends on it :) | 12:21 |
| Khertan_ | s/push/push to extras | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 12:22 |
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| Khertan_ | ~boo | 12:22 |
| ptl | ~shoo | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: Yeah, we probably would need to help it a bit with all the python dependencies. But let's see. | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ev'rything back to normal? (except infobot missing) | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Should be. | 12:23 |
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| Khertan_ | X-Fade: the 4 previous release of Khweeteur in devel was depending on pyside without any problems | 12:24 |
| Khertan_ | but i ven't try to push to extras :) | 12:25 |
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| X-Fade | zap: unzip zapped. | 12:31 |
| Ex-Opesa | I installed apmefo and now catorise is not working. What should I do? | 12:31 |
| Ex-Opesa | I removed apmefo and catorise and reinstalled catorise still its not working. | 12:32 |
| Khertan_ | Ex-Opesa: v 0.9-6: Add compatibility with Catorise. Both applications can now be installed next to each other without either one messing up the other. To switch between them, simply choose Activate or Deactivate from within ApMeFo. | 12:33 |
| Khertan_ | it should not happen | 12:33 |
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| RST38h | More riots! | 12:34 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Khertan_, Thanks for the reply. Well I did deactivate before uninstalling ApMefo. I am now again installing apmefo to try.. :S | 12:34 |
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| acidjazz | sup yall | 12:35 |
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| acidjazz | cool gingerbread hack on the n900 | 12:35 |
| acidjazz | i just dusted mine off and turned it on | 12:35 |
| acidjazz | anything cool/new ? | 12:35 |
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| Venemo | acidjazz: if you refer to NITdroid, ask on #nitdroid | 12:36 |
| Ex-Opesa | Khertan_, My device ones stuck while using catorise's GUI. I had to restart the device. Could this be the problem that catorise is not working again? | 12:37 |
| Khertan_ | Ex-Opesa: don't know i didn't use it | 12:37 |
| Khertan_ | contact his autor | 12:37 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Khertan_: Okay. | 12:37 |
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| zap | X-Fade: thank you, will submit again this evening, wonder what'll happen :) | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | zap: You and me both :D | 12:46 |
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| Jaffa | Ex-Opesa: What's happening with Catorise? | 12:51 |
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| Jaffa | Ex-Opesa: Although I don't know who wrote CatoriseGUI, so I don't support *that* | 12:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | Ex-Opesa, happened to me before, its a config somewhere that's fubared.. I didn't bother investigating and did a complete reflash/setup.. even the osso-backup will make catorise not work | 12:53 |
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| Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Ex-Opesa: /opt/catorise/menu is probably the one in question; but no-one's raised a bug AFAIK | 12:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Jaffa, heh I never bothered, my bad | 12:57 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: ping | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | pong | 13:03 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Jaffa, psycho_oreos: I just solved it now. Deleted the hildon.menu file. It automatically made new file and now catorise and everything works normal. :) | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | pool/itunes-library 54Gi 54Gi 629Mi 99% /Users/timeless/Music/iTunes | 13:04 |
| * timeless_mbp has decided it's time to clean out a directory :( | 13:04 | |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Is it possible via DBus, or some other mechanism, to query microb's current URL etc? Trying to move to OAuth 2.0 for Facebook & Hermes, and it's... complicated. | 13:05 |
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| edheldil | Hi all, is there any progress in getting JavaME on n900? | 13:07 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Or, is it possible to embed microb in a widget and have full control over it & an API for changing URL/querying current URL? | 13:07 |
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| RobbieThe1st | edheldil: I don't think so, due to patents and such. JavaSE, however works(though patent-legality is dubious | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: microb is basically embedable | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | that's how the tutorial app and maps work | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | oh and conversations | 13:08 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Do you know of any simple examples? | 13:09 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: maybe it s better to use qt webkit for futur compatibility ? | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: iirc browser.garage has a sample | 13:10 |
| edheldil | RobbieThe1st: I was afraid it would be like that :(. It's sad that Nokia does not bother :( | 13:10 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: Very possibly, but I'm not sure I want to move the whole app to Qt to fix one bug | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | edheldil: eh | 13:10 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: Or maybe I can have a hybrid Qt & Gtk app | 13:10 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa, theorically the user should input manually the pin code ... | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | edheldil: it's sad that nokia doesn't spend $$$$$ on something of minimal value? | 13:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | edheldil: Not sure what it's useful for, though. Between Debian apps and custom-n900 stuff... | 13:11 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: did you plan to use python-oauth2 ? | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: maybe with a custom CSS? which just wraps up the original webpage but exports the URL to "<anywhere>" | 13:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | edheldil: And with JavaSE(Icedtea) good enough to run frigging -runescape-, it's not like you can't just use desktop Java apps(slowly). | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: I just started with something small. The problem is that I can redirect the user to a page where 'code' is in the URL param and pull that out via JS and ask the user to enter it. However, Facebook's 'code' parameter (which you then pass back to get an access_token) is about 32 characters. | 13:12 |
| edheldil | the usual reason :). There are many apps for JavaME ... even if dumb, they are useful and they are NOW :) | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: Making retyping it from a webpage annoying | 13:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | edheldil: What - specifically - are you looking for? | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: anyway, in short there's a sample demo source in our old svn repo | 13:13 |
| edheldil | OpenWIG :) | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Thanks | 13:14 |
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| RobbieThe1st | edheldil: Hm... what about MicroEmulator? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: wasn't that you who told me user can define custom CSS for microB? | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | could have been | 13:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://www.microemu.org/ | 13:15 |
| * timeless_mbp does | 13:16 | |
| tybollt_ | meh, meego source too big for a 2G card :-P | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | which reminds me, i have an 8gb card from nokia california | 13:16 |
| * timeless_mbp should bring it in | 13:16 | |
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| edheldil | RobbieThe1st: thank you, sounds cumbersome (needs IcedTea, right?), but perhaps doable. | 13:17 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: and such a custom CSS could contain script code, right? | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | well | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | not generally | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm :-S | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: so another idea: use a local "proxy", that is parsing the HTTP traffic | 13:22 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: it should be https traffic.. | 13:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ...as I gather the REFERER won't contain the complete info you need, when you just direct microB to a local page reading it out | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | you could run a local web server | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | depending on how oauth works | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps you can get the oath thing to redirect to your server at the end? | 13:25 |
| rcg | edheldil: looking for http://maemo.org/packages/view/microemulator/ ? | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Oooh, good idea. It should be able to redirect to http://localhost:<somerandoport> | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the amount of web server that you need to implement for this would be trivial | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | Hell, it knows it's only going to get a single request. | 13:27 |
| * Jaffa ponders whilst he goes out bed shopping. | 13:27 | |
| Jaffa | Thanks DocScrutinizer, khertan, timeless_mbp | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so just a lil bit smarter than a "proxy" | 13:27 |
| timeless_mbp | proxies are hard to do | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | but the key is that this is more or less how oauth was designed | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you were trying to fight the design, which is silly | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe. I'm a complete noob regarding HTML and all that is related | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I never heard of oauth, so quite possibly you're right :-D | 13:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: that's why i get all the web questions ;-) | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, time for me to head in | 13:37 |
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| trumee | anybody using a tomtom stanav? | 13:49 |
| trumee | *satnav | 13:49 |
| trumee | i was wondering how well the bluetooth connectivity works with N900 | 13:49 |
| * trumee swears never to connect a TomTom to a linux system. It kills the TomTom | 13:50 | |
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| tybollt_ | trumee: ? my 730 works just fine w/ my n900 | 13:53 |
| trumee | tybollt_: thanks for letting me know. i was planning to get a 750. | 13:53 |
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| trumee | tybollt_: so does handsfree work on TomTom connected to N900 via bluetooth? | 13:54 |
| tybollt_ | granted I don't use it at all - seeing as I have another system for handsfree :) | 13:54 |
| tybollt_ | trumee: supposedly yes - it announces the capability and such - never tried it though | 13:54 |
| trumee | tybollt_: another system? | 13:55 |
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| trumee | tybollt_: can tomtom use the internet on N900? | 13:56 |
| tybollt_ | trumee: Parrot MKI9200 in specific | 13:56 |
| tybollt_ | trumee: yes, I have made it tether on the n900 | 13:57 |
| trumee | tybollt_: sorry i only had a basic TomTom One until now so i am a noob. What is the advantage of tethering TomTom to N900? | 13:58 |
| tybollt_ | none - far as I can see | 13:58 |
| tybollt_ | well it can download the sat quickfix | 13:58 |
| tybollt_ | shrug | 13:58 |
| trumee | ah! i see. The 750 model has Live services, not sure if it can use N900 bluetooth | 13:59 |
| trumee | tybollt_: what is the advantage of Parrot system over TomTom? | 14:00 |
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| trumee | tybollt_: will it be possible to play the music stored in N900 on the TomTom? | 14:05 |
| trumee | tybollt_: ? | 14:07 |
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| edheldil | rcg: yes, thank you | 14:23 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 14:49 |
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| TiagoTiago | would it be safe to plug my N900 to a pc and run chkdisk on it? With dmesg i spoted several error lines like "fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF" and i'm having some issues with playing and recording videos and a few other things | 14:58 |
| kerio | run fsck on it | 14:59 |
| TiagoTiago | does the N900 got that? | 15:00 |
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| kerio | dunno, maybe? | 15:01 |
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| TiagoTiago | ok, found it | 15:02 |
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| trumee | is it possible to send send phobe calls over bluetooth, but play music through headphone jack? | 15:12 |
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| trumee | or send music via fm-transmitter and phone calls through bluetooth? | 15:14 |
| trumee | is this sort of hack possible at all? | 15:15 |
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| TiagoTiago | fsck has halted, what do i do? | 15:18 |
| TiagoTiago | would control-C screw up my MyDocs? | 15:20 |
| TiagoTiago | kerio? | 15:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | anyone? | 15:22 |
| trumee | TiagoTiago: channel is a bit quiet today :( | 15:22 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 15:23 |
| satmd | TiagoTiago: it won't | 15:23 |
| satmd | unless it warned you | 15:23 |
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| satmd | for fsck you need to *unmount* the partition in question | 15:24 |
| TiagoTiago | it is safe to control-C out of it? | 15:24 |
| TiagoTiago | already done | 15:24 |
| satmd | then, yes | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: technically it's of course possible. But I have no clue how mafw is dealing with that and how to tweak it so e.g. mediaplayer is using headset-jack despite bluetooth headset is connected | 15:26 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i would be happy even with mplayer or Mediabox. | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure it would be mutually exclusive usually, means playback of music will stop while doing a phonecall | 15:27 |
| TiagoTiago | well, i interrupted and fired it up again and it gave me all the same msgs again then stoped at the same point :( | 15:27 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i want send phonecalls to the TomTom over bluetooth and music to car stereo over headphone-jack | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see | 15:27 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: mutually exclusive will be good in my case | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if maemo audiosystem wouldn't be so errr. how to say that... suboptimal and of limited versatility, then it should be simple to define e.g output of audiodevice used by mplayer to go to hs-connector unconditionally | 15:29 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: so something needs to be done in pulseaudio? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you have to fumble with that PA-policy definition files etc. Alas I have no idea how those work, or where to get info how they work | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:32 |
| TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yCeT9FT9 <- this is what is happening | 15:32 |
| Termana | What DocScrutinizer is really trying to say is PA is a piece of garbage. | 15:33 |
| Termana | aucat/libsndio FTW! | 15:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | what should i do? | 15:36 |
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| RST38h | Tiago: You should sacrifice some mammals to the Tentacled One | 15:37 |
| RST38h | For your FAT partition has been majorly fucked up. | 15:37 |
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| TiagoTiago | :( | 15:38 |
| Termana | TiagoTiago, rm -rf / | 15:38 |
| TiagoTiago | i don't think that command is safe.... | 15:39 |
| Termana | Naw, would I give you an unsafe command? | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, include a smiley next time | 15:39 |
| trumee | i had similar sorts of issues as TiagoTiago reading fat drive of my TomTom yesterday. | 15:41 |
| trumee | It died eventually. | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | may it rest in piece | 15:42 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: well it is, after burning a hole in my pocket | 15:43 |
| TiagoTiago | So my N900 is on its las breaths? 0.0 | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 15:43 |
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| TiagoTiago | last* | 15:44 |
| trumee | Somehow i feel that vfat fs works best with windows | 15:44 |
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| TiagoTiago | do you mean when it is running or to fix it? | 15:45 |
| trumee | With TomTom it was all the time i think | 15:47 |
| E0x | hmm exist a way of i can use the n900 keyboard in a remote machine ? | 15:48 |
| TiagoTiago | VNC? | 15:48 |
| E0x | i mean use it for remote input data | 15:48 |
| Spookje | ssh? | 15:48 |
| E0x | in X | 15:48 |
| Khertan_ | vnc over ssh | 15:48 |
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| E0x | na | 15:49 |
| E0x | let me google | 15:49 |
| TiagoTiago | would it be safe to delete the files that it says has errors in them? And would that help or make things worse? | 15:49 |
| Termana | Slap a couple of things together and you a whole new thing | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: while your fsck.vfat output clearly shows there's something fishy with your fs, I can't see why it shouldn't eventually succeed to fix this. fsck might take a long time to finish. what exactly did you do? | 15:49 |
| trumee | anybody used Sygic? | 15:50 |
| Termana | get a* | 15:50 |
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| * trumee is wondering if Sygic is the way forward after the death of TomTom | 15:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: deleting files on a messed up fs is a bad idea | 15:50 |
| TiagoTiago | dunno, been having issues with the N900 freezing for a few seconds while recording videos and some weird msgs when trying to play some videos | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | also most probably will not work at all, as your vfat partition should be mounted r/o for all I understand | 15:51 |
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| TiagoTiago | And i think at one point i had i run out of battery while recording a video | 15:51 |
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| TiagoTiago | if interrupt fsck and mount MyDocs again it will become readonly? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think so. Try adding parameter -v to fsck.vfat | 15:53 |
| TiagoTiago | interrupt it and run it again with that parameter added? | 15:53 |
| Spookje | from the fsck.vfat man page: When dosfsck checks a file system, it accumulates all changes in memory and performs them only after all checks are complete. This can be disabled with the -w option. | 15:54 |
| Spookje | so no changes have been made if you interrupt it | 15:55 |
| TiagoTiago | (btw, if i disapear its because things went really bad, and since my desktop machine is also in need of repairs i won't have a way to come back here soon :( | 15:55 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 15:55 |
| Spookje | and I doubt it will make changes on a mounted fs. | 15:55 |
| TiagoTiago | i unmounted it | 15:55 |
| Spookje | then i'd try running fsck with -v | 15:56 |
| TiagoTiago | or at least i told it to unmount it and it didn't complain | 15:56 |
| Spookje | see what happens.. and wait... | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:56 |
| TiagoTiago | ok, here it goes | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: you also can have an occasional look at dmesg in other xterm | 15:57 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | really severe hw IO-errors should show up there | 15:57 |
| Spookje | so we hope they don't... | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:58 |
| Spookje | but running out of power while filming seems to me like common FAT problems | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck'ng 28GB on eMMC can take incredibly long. Especially when swap kicks in | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Well... Try copying a video file from eMMC to the uSD or back. | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you might be better off to try and connect the vfat partition to your PC via mass storage and then run fsck there (if that even works) | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: duuring fsck run? | 16:00 |
| TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sfLHtYcU with the -v | 16:01 |
| TiagoTiago | brb | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | oh nice | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | the packet injection driver went FOSS | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | but he wants donations for that FOSS | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | so not exactly F | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Doc: No, just during normal operation, will be enough | 16:03 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: FOSS enough. He does not force you to donate, just asks for donations (which he will not get) | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's wrong with asking for donations? | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, he does, you need to donate to get a link | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | "After your donation you receive a download link including" | 16:05 |
| TiagoTiago | Dunno if it has anything to do with my problem, but sometimes i've tried OC'ing, and i got Fcam installed | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you ask for them, after you provide me with something | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | not before | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | OCing corrupts the FS | 16:05 |
| * MohammadAG has seen that on a lot of devices here | 16:05 | |
| * MohammadAG ponders donating then pushing the source into kernel-power | 16:06 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | OCing also can eat your eMMC interface hardware, so don't complain when it turns out your MyDocs has permanent random errors | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | that is not FUD ^ | 16:07 |
| TiagoTiago | How people run around keeping their N900s OC'd at high values and don't report any issues? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | because those issues build up over time, and most people olso won't attribute their issues to OC, as you didn't | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | also* | 16:09 |
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| MohammadAG | how do some people die at the age of 15? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | wait what | 16:09 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:09 |
| kerio | how do i shot web? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | The driver is Matan's code, and lxp's selling it o_O | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nooo MohammadAG - there's not a single one here who reported he died at age of 15 yet :-P | 16:10 |
| * MohammadAG can't believe he thanked Matan, oh well | 16:10 | |
| TiagoTiago | Is undervolting also way more dangerous than people make it seem to be? | 16:10 |
| alterego | Ah, I see the Anti-FUD around OCing effect is still in full swing. | 16:10 |
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| fellu | Hi. | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: undervolting is just silly | 16:11 |
| TiagoTiago | Why? | 16:11 |
| kerio | my grandfather died at 89 after smoking two packs of cigarettes each day for like 70 years, with no problems at all | 16:11 |
| kerio | it doesn't mean that smoking is not dangerous | 16:11 |
| fellu | Is there any application for tracking GPS-signal and upload it to internet? | 16:11 |
| fellu | Like with google maps, or something | 16:11 |
| fellu | So ppl can see my location real time.. | 16:11 |
| kerio | fellu: well there's google latitude | 16:11 |
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| fellu | Oh, how it works | 16:12 |
| fellu | Lets see. | 16:12 |
| TiagoTiago | There is a rare percentage of humans that are immune to HIV infections | 16:12 |
| fellu | Does it work on maemo or symbian^3, kerio ? | 16:13 |
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| kerio | it uses browser geolocalization afaik | 16:14 |
| kerio | so... maybe? | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: (-v) I've hoped fsck would be a lot more informative with this parameter. Anyway I'd think as long as it just runs, you should keep it running. There's no reason to assume it froze or anything, unless no diagnostic output for >50h (sic!) | 16:14 |
| TiagoTiago | aren't there some native clients? | 16:14 |
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| MohammadAG | ^Cing fsck isn't a nice thing, I've done it to /home :P | 16:16 |
| alterego | Ah, m.o is back up :) | 16:16 |
| alterego | I can upload my packages now. | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | yay | 16:16 |
| * MohammadAG passes around the beer | 16:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | see /tpic | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | /topic even | 16:16 |
| TiagoTiago | an ASCII throbber indicating it is doing somthing would be nice | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | is the throbber this thing -> [\-/]? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can tell from a htop in another terminal though | 16:17 |
| Spookje | you might just check with top or ps or something | 16:17 |
| fellu | kerio, ot | 16:17 |
| fellu | oh* | 16:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | that could be one way to do it | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: even attach strace to fsck, from another terminal | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: though I do not recommend that | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: whatever - freeing up as much memory as possible, esp by closing browser windows and other mem hogs, should help a bit in speeding up fsck | 16:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | seems fsck is using about 90% of processor time | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I guess sth along the line of a swapon /myswapfile; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p4 would be a good idea prior to running a fsck against eMMC | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: 90% is ok I'd say | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no idea how long a fsck.vfat of 28GB could take on a OMAP3430 @ 500MHz, but I know it takes quite a bit on my 2GHz Pentium with 2GB RAM | 16:25 |
| TiagoTiago | brb | 16:25 |
| fellu | kerio, thanks. :) | 16:26 |
| fellu | Working perfectly | 16:26 |
| fellu | That is just what I was looking for. :D | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what? Author: Werner Almesberger? :-D | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka wpwrak | 16:30 |
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| alterego | No it isn't "2011-01-03 14:21 UTC" | 16:32 |
| alterego | wtf .. | 16:32 |
| alterego | http://maemo.org/packages/view/librxsupport/ | 16:33 |
| alterego | Look at the "Changes" .. | 16:33 |
| trx | lol | 16:33 |
| TiagoTiago | i have it partitioned a tad differently; though the vfat partition probably not smaller enough to reduce the total time all that much.... | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: heh, now you found out how maemo.org got fixed. They advanced the time beyond the critical dates :-P | 16:38 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 16:39 |
| alterego | Yeah | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The real problem is the got hit by stuxnet | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | was about to write something similar | 16:40 |
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| TiagoTiago | "FATs differ but appear to be intact, using the first", so there is more than one, would using the second one possibly not give me the errors? | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, finally kill this blue flashing... | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | brb | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer51: ping | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah better | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: possibly | 16:48 |
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| TiagoTiago | any way i can test that hipothesis? | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: -r instead of -y might help. Needs your attention though | 16:50 |
| TiagoTiago | thay would offer the option of using the other FAT? | 16:50 |
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| alterego | Hrm, anyone know how shlibs works? | 16:52 |
| alterego | I've got a library, which I've debianised. | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | is it me | 16:53 |
| alterego | Then I've got another library that depends on the first, which is now debianised. But shlibs isn't picking up the first package as a dependency. | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | or is QGraphicsView piss easy? | 16:53 |
| TiagoTiago | is it safe to run more than one fsck in the same partition simultaneously? | 16:53 |
| ShadowJK | TiagoTiago: absolutely not | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | no | 16:54 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt it would even work | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ever used it? | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | QGraphicsView | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | I'm looking at an example of image reflections | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | it looks kinda easy | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | (using 2nd FAT) no idea where I've seen an option to do this. I know I've read about it. Maybe with some undelete or recovery tool | 16:56 |
| alterego | A bit, it's quite easy, you thinking of using it for video? | 16:56 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, no, reflected album art | 16:57 |
| alterego | Oh cool :) | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, reflecting video/processing it in real time is kinda... stressful | 16:57 |
| alterego | Yer | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Translucent_reflection_with_Graphics_View found this | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | please have an option to disable such CPU and reel estate hogs | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | it's not a hog | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever else it is, at very least it's sometimes quite ugly and inadequate | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and obviously it needs a place to display the reflexion | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually there's better use for that space, on a 4" screen | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but anyway. An option to disable it is easy and just fine | 17:02 |
| alterego | pfft | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | automatically using the freed screen space for something really useful is less easy to implement | 17:03 |
| alterego | If it looks nice and doesn't hinder usabilty. keep it :) | 17:03 |
| alterego | Don't bother with some option to turn it off. | 17:04 |
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| alterego | Users don't care about it and I'd rather something that looked pretty tbh | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks nice to whom? YOU? | 17:04 |
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| MohammadAG | actually, Jaffa | 17:04 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I wouldn't guess, I've not seen it yet. | 17:04 |
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| MohammadAG | he provided the concept :P | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't want to have my album cover art reflected | 17:04 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: don't use this media player then :) | 17:05 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: have you got type-to-search working yet? | 17:05 |
| alterego | And categorisation? | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | heh. The album art already steals so much space the artist album and song titles don't fit :P | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, no | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I need crashanddie to finish with Mafw source calls | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh yeah - "it's freeeeeeeeee!!" - Lennart your brother? | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, type-to-search is in Fapman though | 17:06 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, albumart+=effect_reflect(); if(username=='DocScrutinizer') albumart+=effect_shimmer(); | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, why have a flag when you can hardcode | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 17:07 |
| lcuk | awesome MohammadAG - he agrees to the tweak as well! | 17:07 |
| * alterego chuckles | 17:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | s/username/groupnmae/ though | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and here we are, another flavout of a flag | 17:08 |
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| TiagoTiago | yay it's done, running again to see if there is anything left | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (actually even username is a flag, though a quite inappropriate one for the usecase) | 17:09 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, kotzcarny has been working on some pixel effects which would make albumart extra awesome | 17:09 |
| lcuk | dissolve effects and fades and stuff :D | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I make my album art awesome in my own special way. I don't appreciate somebody doing it for me in a predefined way | 17:10 |
| lcuk | it can be randomised with page curls and crumple effects and all sorts | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Holy Shit! | 17:11 |
| lcuk | with 16777215 different combinations, your pictures will never be shown the same way twice! | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | GREAT!! | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | they will, eventually | 17:11 |
| lcuk | better and better | 17:11 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, shh | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | now just rename the songs randomly :P | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | sounds like a good idea! | 17:12 |
| lcuk | this feature list is made of pure awesome | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, it hasn't raped startup time - yet | 17:12 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, in all seriousness, DocGrumpy is right, there are people who just want the data | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | add random instrument tracks to the mp3 | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it's FOSS... | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you're Lennart | 17:13 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, and don't make us have to reimplement the whole damn player just to change a single feature | 17:13 |
| TiagoTiago | now to see if the media player still has issues with the videos | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it took me less than 5 minutes to add it | 17:13 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, sure thing - and it could take you a whole 5 minutes to just make it a gconf key or something to check for | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | great, how long will it take me to set up the dev env to remove it in 5 sec and then recompile in 20min? | 17:14 |
| lcuk | no need for ui yet, just make it an internal option | 17:14 |
| TiagoTiago | "retrieving blablahblah six minutes remaining | 17:14 |
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| alterego | Aha, fixed it. | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: thanks for helping me out :-D | 17:16 |
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| TiagoTiago | be back in a bit | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~png | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 17:24 |
| apt | ~pong | 17:24 |
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| alterego | How can I make a postinst & postrm script in debian package only used in one of the packages from a single source tree? | 17:32 |
| loft306 | hmmmm ispy the wiki is up | 17:33 |
| alterego | I have a lib, generating lib and lib-dev, but lib-dev is running my postinst and postrm scripts and it shouldn't. | 17:33 |
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| tybollt_ | for android there's an app that kicks in just when a call is received and checks w/ an online source who is the owner of the number (case it is not a number in the phonebook) and shows it on the screen - is there such an app for maemo? | 17:36 |
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| Khertan_ | alterego: did you mean that the postrm script is run after the update of the new version ? | 17:41 |
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| Khertan_ | as i got the same problem with khweeteur :) | 17:42 |
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| alterego | Khertan_: well, I have a project, it's a shared library, my debianization creates two packages lib and lib-dev | 17:43 |
| alterego | But the hook scripts I only want in lib. | 17:43 |
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| alterego | Not in lib-dev, but postinst and postrm are being executed for both lib and lib-dev packages. Which will screw things up if you remove lib-dev | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: nice | 17:54 |
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| alterego | Meh, fixed it. | 17:56 |
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| abhy | I was planning to buy N900 is it going to help me in Meego Development, please let me know | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, certainly. | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Compared to having no platform. | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | The question is - will it be the most heavily developed platform. | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It's pretty much so at the moment. | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | For phone anyway | 18:08 |
| abhy | Can I make Meego apps, then wont it be restricted to only N900 and contrary N900 will not be supporting it | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | but what's coming down the pipe is a different question | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | with the vsync SGX driver, it's kinda cool | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | and it's not as slow as it used to be | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | abhy, no | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Meego' apps are meant to be mostly portable | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Qt | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | That's the point of Qt | 18:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | You won't be able usually to simply run the binaries, but it should be a simple recompile, and screen-dimensions thing. | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Pretty much | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | if properly coded, you should be able to run the apps on Maemo 5, MeeGo, Windows, Linux, Mac and Symbian | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | (Note: Symbian might be retarded) | 18:09 |
| abhy | okay... thanks guys... but just one question, though its not good to ask, do you think Meego will not come up to the mark in front of Android | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | tbh, I think Android will fall down to the mark of it | 18:12 |
| TiagoTiago | You shouldn't be making a program with hardcoded screen resolution nor aspect ratio | 18:13 |
| alterego | Once MeeGo core becomes stable on the N900, it will be come what we make of it. | 18:13 |
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| alterego | Once we have full functionality, camera, gps, blah, blah. | 18:14 |
| alterego | It's just a matter of fine tuning it and turning the ux into something we can enjoy using. | 18:14 |
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| abhy | thank you guys, will soon be joining you all | 18:16 |
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| mece | hello tharr! | 18:21 |
| Khertan_ | <SpeedEvil> 'Meego' apps are meant to be mostly portable <<< or not ... they are pushing for QML ... beurk | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG | QML's portable afaik | 18:25 |
| mece | qml is definately portable. well as portable as qt 4.7 I suppose. | 18:26 |
| MaKa | what is the command to unpack a Fiasco image??? | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 --help | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | (hint -u) | 18:27 |
| MaKa | found.. thanks :) | 18:27 |
| MaKa | installed Multiboot and i cant boot into my device.. | 18:28 |
| MaKa | nor into my MicroSD too :) | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I really wonder what's wrong with this multiboot thing. Never looked into it, but it seems to me it's quirky, obsolete, and #1 on causing problems and making people reflash their device | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus its name is always called in same context as *droid | 18:33 |
| MaKa | i shud now completely reflash or just coldflash??? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | COLDFLASH???? | 18:33 |
| mece | Maka, try flasjing just kernel | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | what exactly is the problem? | 18:33 |
| mece | flashing | 18:33 |
| Kaadlajk | I had device with nitdroid at work and only managed to flash it with flashing jig | 18:33 |
| mece | MaKa, did you follow the instructions? | 18:34 |
| Kaadlajk | would not try nitdroid with my own device :P | 18:34 |
| mece | Kaadlajk, nice :) | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | nitdroid doesn't touch the bootloader | 18:34 |
| MaKa | i actually tried this multiboot thing not for nitroid,but for MeeGo :P | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | multiboot for MeeGo is a bad decision | 18:34 |
| mece | why would you try nitdroid? Isn't that some stripped phone os? | 18:34 |
| MaKa | was using MeeGo with bootmenu-n900 and was working fine.. | 18:34 |
| mece | multiboot for meego works perfectly. | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | they got uBoot working for a reason | 18:35 |
| mece | erm | 18:35 |
| mece | right | 18:35 |
| MaKa | tried with multiboot, and am dumbstruck.. | 18:35 |
| mece | I meant uboot | 18:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer recalls some wikipage where coldflashing was mentioned, completely misleading about its purpose, among other random bogus instructions. | 18:35 | |
| MaKa | ya i understand.. | 18:35 |
| mece | I thought we were talking about uboot this whole time *bonk self* | 18:35 |
| MaKa | but multiboot shud show the list of native kernel atleast if not the MicroSD kernel.. | 18:36 |
| MaKa | there is no OS listed in the list.. | 18:36 |
| mece | bummer | 18:36 |
| MaKa | when pressed '0', | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | screw multiboot | 18:37 |
| MaKa | it says,can't flash kernel,required files not found | 18:37 |
| MaKa | Guru meditation#00000025.62017712 | 18:37 |
| MaKa | also says hit any key to panic.. :( | 18:37 |
| MaKa | how do i identify the kernel image for this device without opening its back cover now | 18:38 |
| MaKa | ? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin multiboot is reflashing your kernel on every boot (as judging by above error msg) which CERTAINLY is a thing you should NOT do | 18:38 |
| mece | AmigaOS? | 18:38 |
| mece | haven't seen guru meditation since the 80ies | 18:39 |
| satmd | same here | 18:39 |
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| MaKa | but i never knew this multiboot installation wud bring this error :( | 18:39 |
| mece | is the guru meditation message in a box with a red border? | 18:39 |
| MaKa | just installed it,rebooted and am hung here :( | 18:39 |
| mece | damn | 18:39 |
| MaKa | yep.. | 18:39 |
| mece | wait what? it is? | 18:40 |
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| MaKa | yes.. | 18:40 |
| MaKa | red box like a teaser msg :( | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | <MaKa> was using MeeGo with bootmenu-n900 and was working fine.. | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | uhh | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget multiboot! | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | You have 2.6.35 for Maemo 5? | 18:40 |
| mece | like this: http://haftbar.de/wp-content/guru-meditation_error.gif | 18:40 |
| MaKa | 2.6.28?!?!?! | 18:40 |
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| MaKa | same as that image... | 18:41 |
| mece | O.O | 18:41 |
| MaKa | with the msg on the top changed to "can't flash kernel,required files not found" | 18:41 |
| mece | :D | 18:41 |
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| MohammadAG | Well, if you have 2.6.28, MeeGo won't work, so it obviously wasn't working properly with bootmenu | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | Just use flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f -R | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MaKa: you are aware of the true implications of what it says it's (not) doing there? | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | assuming you unpacked the zImage to . | 18:42 |
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| MaKa | yes MohammedAG | 18:42 |
| MaKa | doing it.. | 18:42 |
| MaKa | Not exactly Doc | 18:43 |
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| MohammadAG | also, you can complete nicknames using tab | 18:43 |
| mece | this guru meditation thing is a joke, right? | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | mece, it's the way multiboot handles error numbers | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you are (multiboot is) *flashing* your kernel on boot. Flashing wears NAND, and is generally a thing you don't want to do in the field. | 18:44 |
| mece | MohammadAG, yeah, it's still a joke though. Or a pun or whatever you call it. | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally speaking flashing kernels is dangerous | 18:44 |
| mece | retro cleverlry | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | Jay-C had a nat/nokia cloak | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | multiboot was written by a Nokia employee | 18:45 |
| MaKa | Ya,but i remember reading somewhere That NAND wears is still lesser than what we do with the normal HDD so it can be negligible.. | 18:45 |
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| MaKa | Kernel image boot failure MohammedAG | 18:46 |
| MaKa | :( | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing a kernel or (for mainboards) a BIOS isn't anything you do on the fly | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | that's not an error I've heard of | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | hit 0 | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | use uBoot | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot, what a clever sick hack | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, multiboot hooks onto preinit, flashing uBoot won't help since this is loaded before it | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | to get rid of multiboot there's of course no use in flashing uBoot | 18:48 |
| mece | so it fails before kernel is loaded? | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | it makes /sbin/preinit_orig | 18:49 |
| mece | I mean | 18:49 |
| mece | erm | 18:49 |
| * MohammadAG thinks he knows of a way | 18:49 | |
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| MaKa | MohammadAG: | 18:49 |
| MaKa | MohammadAG: Done :) | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | except with uBoot you *could* still boot up the non-fubar'd OS and fix the one infected by multiboot preinit hook | 18:50 |
| MaKa | mece: thanks:) | 18:50 |
| mece | boot some os fro microsd card | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | "init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" | 18:50 |
| mece | like meego :) | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot="init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | that should override multiboot | 18:50 |
| mece | MohammadAG, oo :D | 18:50 |
| mece | MohammadAG, that's actually pretty brilliant | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | it's a modified stock kernel CMDLINE :P | 18:51 |
| MaKa | now removing this multiboot shud get me rid of this problem right? | 18:51 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: that's not brilliant, that's obvious. Getting the parameters right is brilliant, but we still wait to see that :-D | 18:52 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, I'm just assuming they're correct :) | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | they are ;) | 18:52 |
| mece | haha | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're still on your own to get rid of multiboot, after that. I suggest for a first measure you cp /sbin/preinit_orig /sbin/preinit | 18:54 |
| MaKa | So MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer , uBoot is ur suggestion? | 18:54 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: flasher's --boot thing doesn't work fyi | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | is my alternative to using multiboot which is crap | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, multiboot does that in postrm | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, it does, FYI | 18:55 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: nope, I tried many times | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | you fail then :P | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | I use it to boot MeeGo from the eMMC | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | so obviously, it does work | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, you might be forgetting to escape spaces or wrap it with "" | 18:56 |
| MaKa | MohammadAG: Correction,I used -f <image> -l -b to boot the MeeGo :p and so that was no part bootmenu-n900 does in it :P | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | but it does work, I'm sure of it | 18:56 |
| MaKa | wrong understanding :P | 18:56 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG: maybe it was fixed in 3.5 | 18:56 |
| luke-jr | I only have 3.0 (last 64-bit ver) | 18:56 |
| * MohammadAG uses 3.5 on 64-bit | 18:57 | |
| luke-jr | where do you get 64-bit 3.5 | 18:57 |
| luke-jr | ? | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | you don't, --force-architecture and get ia32-libs ;) | 18:57 |
| luke-jr | then you're not using it on 64-bit | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | unless you're using windows | 18:57 |
| luke-jr | that's hybrid 32/64 bloat | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | pleeeease not this again | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | hey, it works for me :) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: for luke-jr Qt is no c++ but a new language. And linux with a custom driver no linux. And flasher with ia32 libs not running on 64bit | 18:59 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders what's an app running under wine for luke-jr | 19:00 | |
| luke-jr | a Windows app ofc | 19:01 |
| MaKa | Does MeeGo work functionally fine?? | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I heard of nobody using it on N900 for a daily phone | 19:01 |
| MaKa | I mean in terms of call and sms and Internet? | 19:01 |
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| MaKa | The same with NiTDroid? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice toys for developers | 19:03 |
| alterego | Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libr/librxsupport/librxsupport_0.1.0-3_armel.deb Size mismatch | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | calling works | 19:03 |
| alterego | Any ideas? | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | and SMS receiving works | 19:03 |
| MaKa | but i found it not working.. | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and if I wanted a android phone then I'd not have bought an N900 | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, wait 5 mins, it might recreate the index | 19:03 |
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| MaKa | It just remained in flight mode.. | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | pin code? | 19:04 |
| MaKa | i cudnt detect the signat even.. | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | again, got a pin code? | 19:04 |
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| MaKa | pin code?? asking me?? | 19:05 |
| Spookje | do you have a pin code on your sim? did you enter it correctly? if not, you remain in flight mode.. | 19:06 |
| MaKa | oh.. | 19:07 |
| MaKa | i never knew this.. | 19:07 |
| MaKa | but where does meego ask for the pincode? | 19:07 |
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| Spookje | dunno | 19:07 |
| nox- | afaik by default its configured not to ask | 19:08 |
| nox- | but you can change that, `somewhere'... | 19:09 |
| nox- | err sorry i meant maemo haha | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | MaKa, it doesn't | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | MaKa, so you have to get rid of it | 19:09 |
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| MaKa | Any idea how to add more user profiles in n900 other than general and silent? | 19:12 |
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| Spookje | with tweakr for example..... | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | profilex or something | 19:14 |
| Spookje | took me a whole second to google that btw | 19:14 |
| MaKa | MaKa is :P lazy bum :D | 19:15 |
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| yasha | did somebody try already the injection patches? | 19:26 |
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| trumee | no cli ftp client in N900? | 19:50 |
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| yacc | trumee, ncftp? | 19:51 |
| trumee | yacc: that would it be nice, is that in extras-devel? | 19:51 |
| yacc | n900ftp? | 19:51 |
| yacc | trumee, guess so, I've got devel enabled. | 19:51 |
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| yacc | And automatic upgrade lookup disabled ;) | 19:52 |
| trumee | yacc: thanks, i will install ncftp | 19:52 |
| piggz | oh yeah! http://www.piggz.co.uk/kexi/mobile-report-1.png | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | ftp? | 19:53 |
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| yasha | anybody checked out the injection patches? | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: mc | 20:03 |
| trx | im trying to connect a usb wireless adapter to n900 | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, not exactly 'cmdline' :-) | 20:03 |
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| trx | im using an active hub | 20:04 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: ncftp is the perfect cli ftp client | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm happy with mc | 20:04 |
| trx | and the device is there if i check with dmesg | 20:04 |
| trx | but there is no wlan0 interface | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: lsusb | 20:05 |
| Sicelo | trx: tried ifconfig -a? | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: and of course you'll need the matching drivers for that dongle | 20:05 |
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| trx | lsb usb can see both the hub and the device | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: also what means "the device is there if i check with dmesg"? What exactly is there? | 20:06 |
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| trx | atheros based device tho | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | well | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | that's uboot gone | 20:06 |
| * MohammadAG grumbles | 20:06 | |
| trumee | is it possible for N900 to become a bluetooth audio receiver, ie it plays the audio broadcasted by TomTom bluetooth? | 20:06 |
| trx | lsusb* | 20:06 |
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| trx | DocScrutinizer it displays the informations about the device | 20:07 |
| trx | hmm\ | 20:07 |
| trx | some errors too | 20:07 |
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| * trumee dont know what is it called in terms of bluetooth profile | 20:07 | |
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| trx | would you be willing to take a look? | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trx: if that's USB messages in dmesg then it doesn't mean a lot | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd need the proper kernel driver to handle the WLAN dongle | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not expect maemo to ship that driver by default | 20:08 |
| trx | hmm, i taught that linux would have the drivers for tp-link's atheros based adapter | 20:08 |
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| trx | so, its prolly the drivers? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:09 |
| trx | how can i check that? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to modprobe the correct driver for the 'card' (usually that's done automatically by udev or sth) | 20:09 |
| trx | note that i tried usb ethernet adapter, god knows what brand it is | 20:10 |
| trx | and it works, guess im lucky :) | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | trx: easiest way is to plug the dongle to a PC where it should work, then find out which driver it is using | 20:10 |
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| trx | yeah | 20:11 |
| trx | ill try and do that | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then see if you can find or compile that driver for maemo | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or you use google with the VID and PID of lsusb and find info about that driver's name | 20:13 |
| trx | ill try that too | 20:13 |
| trx | thank you | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 20:13 |
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| Arkenoi | trx: are you trying to find a driver with injection working out of the box? | 20:15 |
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| RST38h | Good evening, gentlemen | 20:16 |
| trx | any driver will do, i just need the adapter to work | 20:16 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yo. | 20:17 |
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| GAN900 | The N9 rumor mill really isn't a happy one these days, is it? | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | GAN: No, it is not. | 20:19 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: There are new ones? Of use? | 20:25 |
| yasha | any of you guys tried the new injection patches?? | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: See the meego-* email from a Nokian about Flash, homescreen widgets etc? | 20:25 |
| lcuk2 | Jaffa, link? | 20:26 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk2: trying to find it | 20:26 |
| lcuk2 | coolio | 20:27 |
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| jacekowski | flash sucks | 20:27 |
| Arkenoi | are they nuts? | 20:28 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: In the "PCWorld" thread on meego-community | 20:29 |
| lcuk | ta jaffa | 20:30 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Search for "interestingly Marko Ahtisaari talks about having customisable" | 20:30 |
| lcuk | yeah i have it its ok \o | 20:31 |
| RST38h | gyfvutgy]'tdxrbgbn v? | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: There're references to "Dali" which I don't understand tho' | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | So it could mean something else | 20:31 |
| _trine | can I ask if it allowed for a person to charge for linux source code ? | 20:31 |
| _trine | I was thinking about the wl1251 wifi drivers | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | _trine: Only for media and P&P, i.e. "reasonable" | 20:32 |
| _trine | well is this ok :- http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, one would assume hardware codename. | 20:32 |
| * alterego starts thinking of a new icon for Columbus | 20:32 | |
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| Jaffa | GAOne would | 20:33 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: One would | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, googling around turns up N9 pictures | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67371 | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | @ Jaffa GAN900 | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: this is perfectly allowable | 20:36 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer: ok but I thought source code had to be free but I'm no linux expert | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch | grep patch` | wc -l | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | 2787 | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact you can charge whatever you want for sourcecode for linux that you have written yourself | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | it's understandable | 20:37 |
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| _trine | ok thanks | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you mustn't charge for sourcecode that others have written though - also if it's only parts or derived work | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet you can charge for *providing* the sourcecode. That's what e.g. Suse linux did for long time with their CD/DVD based distros | 20:39 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: and divide that line count by four and you probably get his actual contribution :P | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch` | grep + | wc -l | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | 1288 | 20:40 |
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| alterego | :) | 20:40 |
| _trine | it seems like these people are having 2 bites at the cherry first it was neopwn everyone was asked to donate to then apparently because the neopwn person didn't pay the developer the developer wants more donations now | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch` | grep \+ | grep -v +++ | wc -l | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | 1180 | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ^ | 20:41 |
| alterego | Yes, I saw :P | 20:41 |
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| * yacc wonders if MeeGo binaries will also run on Maemo? If so, there might be hope to get a fully working Ovimaps on the n900 ;) | 20:42 | |
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| lcuk | yacc, maybe in time - have you looked at cloudgps by the way? :) its surprisingly slick | 20:43 |
| alterego | Oh, forgot you can't start hildon home in scratchbox arm target | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | yacc: apparently ovi maps is browser plugins and a shitload of javascript | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: so what? | 20:45 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer: is that a question ? | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: do you think it'd be better he rm wl1251/* and dummy up? | 20:45 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer: clam down your English is not understandable | 20:46 |
| yacc | ShadowJK, well, perhaps, does not matter to me, but it's basically slow to start up, and does not provide full navigation, basically slightly worse than google maps was in Android 1.0, ... | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do you prefer the student that developed a nice driver for WL1251 - which was a lot of work for him - just discards all that because the customer that ordered that work at him didn't pay? | 20:47 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer: if he sold something then didn't get paid for it why should he be able to sell it twice when others have already paid towards it | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, he's asking for a *donation* - and you are free to donate as little as 1 ct | 20:48 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer: i doubt that | 20:49 |
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| _trine | anyway I was only asking the question I don't want to get into a debate | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt you have any means to force him to serve you for free | 20:49 |
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| _trine | I am not a linux person really so I really honestly didn't know | 20:50 |
| yacc | Nice, managed to make pcsuite mode to startup even the vncclient on my desktop :) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | And I think he deserves some donation, as he didn't do anything odd as far as I can tell | 20:50 |
| yacc | _trine, actually, you can donate 1€, and then setup your own site and allow free download if you like, that's how the GPL works, .. | 20:51 |
| yasha | I lost the n900 icon in the desktop after flashing | 20:51 |
| _trine | yacc I would not want to do that | 20:52 |
| yasha | where can I get it back? | 20:52 |
| yacc | He basically asks for a donation for the priviledge of delivering the stuff to you. | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you for sure can't argue against hosting costing money, and he's free to ask for refund of that expense, even if the work hosted wasn't any bit of his own work | 20:52 |
| yacc | _trine, yeah, probably not overly nice, but that's the "self-governing" that the GPL forces. | 20:52 |
| yacc | _trine, if the guy gets naughty and asks for brash stuff, anybody can "undercut" him. | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | not quite anybody somebody who has the driver themselves... | 20:54 |
| yasha | did you use the driver already?? | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | yasha, if he supplied a paper printed document along with source code on cd delivered to your house would you pay more? | 20:56 |
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| yacc | lcuk, yeah, but basically it's a simple fix, you can ask rather unreasonable fees for GPL code, but if you do so extremely, you can do probably only a small number of times, ... | 20:57 |
| lcuk | yacc, depends | 20:57 |
| lcuk | its quite obvious this code manages something people want | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | and its not at a point of being generally available | 20:58 |
| lcuk | and tbh as long as he is actually honouring the license then more power to him | 20:58 |
| RST38h | yacc: You do not get money for GPLed code. | 20:58 |
| RST38h | yacc: In fact, you do not even getmoney for supporting GPLed code, most of the time | 20:59 |
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| yasha | did somebody tried already? | 20:59 |
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| MohammadAG | how about refreshing the thread, you asked about 5 times here already | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | and yes it works | 21:01 |
| yasha | I also think he should get some donations | 21:02 |
| yacc | yeah, asking for donations is quite reasonable, considering that it's not exactly mainstream appealing code, ... | 21:02 |
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| yacc | it's a niche product for a product that is not really mainstream by itself (the n900). | 21:03 |
| yasha | nobody give me an answer Moha | 21:03 |
| yasha | now I know | 21:04 |
| yasha | thanks | 21:04 |
| yasha | I'll give him a donation | 21:04 |
| yasha | is just funny that took so long to somebody to code that stuff | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | it's been available since neopwn was released, but it was closed source (and licensed under the GPL...( | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | )* | 21:06 |
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| yasha | any way | 21:07 |
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| rysiek|pl | guys, is there a way to *completely* erase *all* data (contacts, sms, etc) from the simcard in an n900? | 21:12 |
| pupnik | fire | 21:13 |
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| yacc | rysiek|pl, why the sim card? | 21:20 |
| lcuk | rysiek|pl, what about the other information on it? | 21:20 |
| lcuk | ie its real actual phone number and stuff | 21:20 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, modern mobiles, including the n900 basically do not store anything on the SIM, ... | 21:20 |
| lcuk | do you want to erase that too? | 21:20 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, SMS are also usually automatically pulled from the SIM to the phone, as the SIM has only a limited number of buffer slots, ... | 21:21 |
| * GAN900 ate way too much cheeseburger. | 21:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ROAARR cheeezburger. | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (slots)...like some 8 | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could try if pnatd would play nice with Kandy or gnokii | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or would accept direct ATcmds even to erase contacts and SMS storage | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the *complete* erase there's probably another even better method than fire: hard X-ray | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | reliably erases all types of flash memory | 21:38 |
| nox- | baseband security talk in saal2 btw | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, I was about to head out for dinner | 21:39 |
| nox- | heh | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | every 7 days I need some food | 21:39 |
| pupnik | eating bad really isn't good | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, nothing new there. Can read up the sum-up later, or watch the video | 21:41 |
| nox- | the new stuff is later i think | 21:41 |
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| rysiek|pl | yacc, lcuk: the n900 is my own; the SIM card is my employer's; now I got a new SIM (and a new number) and am supposed to return the old SIM, so I want to delete all my personal and whatnot info on the SIM to be returned | 21:42 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, there is basically no personal data on the SIM card. | 21:42 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, the n900 does not store any contact data on the SIM. | 21:43 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, modern phones for the last decade have not done that. | 21:43 |
| rysiek|pl | rysiek|pl: the SIM card was previously used with a different phone | 21:43 |
| rysiek|pl | arghs | 21:43 |
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| rysiek|pl | yacc: there are personal info (contacts at the very least) on the SIM card, it has been used with different phones | 21:44 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, did the last phone use a Name:/Surname:/Email:/... schema? If so it did not store the stuff on the SIM card, as the contacts on the SIM are a simple text string for "name" and one phone number per contact. | 21:44 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, well, the n900 does not care for the contacts on the SIM card, I'd guess. | 21:44 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: could you please just get over the fact that yes there ARE personal contacts on this very sim card? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow Human Body Model surge test: 5mm spark on trying to unplug USB charger from N900. Still alive (both :-D) | 21:45 |
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| rysiek|pl | yacc: I can put this sim card to another phone and "import" the data to the address book there. that would suggest that the info is on the SIM card, wouldn't you agree? | 21:45 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, could you get over the fact that the n900 does not access the contacts at all, hence no standard program will be able to modify/delete them? | 21:45 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: well, had you answered directly before I would not bother you anymore :) | 21:46 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: and yes, n900 accesses the contacts - the "Import" feature of the Contacts app ;) | 21:46 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, in theory perhaps the pnatd thing can access the contacts via AT commands, ... | 21:46 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: well, the "import from sim" went fine last time, so apparently it does work | 21:47 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, well, it never offered me to import the SIM numbers ;) | 21:47 |
| nox- | now `where to look for bugs' | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | rysiek|pl: could you please just get over the fact that N900 didn't store these contacts and has no way to delete them either | 21:47 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, my contacts app has no import command, wonder why? | 21:47 |
| rysiek|pl | DocScrutinizer: already got over that, as soon as somebody did actually directly answer the question, thanks :) | 21:48 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: gimme a sec, my n900 is booting | 21:48 |
| yacc | Ah, the German localization is crazy, "pulling contacts", ... | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-28 20:35:59] <DocScrutinizer> you could try if pnatd would play nice with Kandy or gnokii | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-28 20:36:36] <DocScrutinizer> or would accept direct ATcmds even to erase contacts and SMS storage | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-28 20:38:08] <DocScrutinizer> for the *complete* erase there's probably another even better method than fire: hard X-ray | 21:48 |
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| yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, he is returning the SIM card, .... | 21:49 |
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| rysiek|pl | DocScrutinizer: sorry, didn't notice your answers | 21:49 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: Wonder what would happen if he puts it for say 30 seconds into a microwave, ... | 21:49 |
| rysiek|pl | DocScrutinizer: makes sense; but the SIM has to be operational (otherwise I would just shred it) | 21:49 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: You know, SIM cards go bad at the most curious moments, e.g. when he pulled it from his phone to return it :) | 21:49 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: fire up the Contacts app; tap the menu/top bar | 21:49 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, well, shred => it's visibly dead. ;) | 21:49 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: yes. as I said, if I didn't have to return it | 21:50 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, I found it, but it only offers import, no export, hence no way to modify SIM contacts. | 21:50 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: yup | 21:50 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, well, the question is, why does it need to work? | 21:50 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, why couldn't it just fail the day you return it, you know SIM cards have been known to go bad at the most curious times, ... | 21:51 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, that's why carriers need to replace SIM cards from time to time, happened to me once or twice before, ... | 21:51 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: I work in a mobile platforms R&D lab at Warsaw Uni of Tech., founded by the largest polish mobile provider | 21:51 |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: let's just say I won't play those games ;) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/products/catalog?q=sim+card+reader&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14448386460291042186&ei=uT8aTc_HApO7hAeWgoW3Dg&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=5&ved=0CDkQ8gIwBA# | 21:52 |
| yacc | rysiek|pl, then you should know the AT commands by heart, start pnatd and see if it can modify the SIM content that way ;) | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:53 |
| * yacc hates dumb mobiles, or to be more specific guessing around what mencoder parameters I need. | 21:53 | |
| rysiek|pl | yacc: I'm a sysadmin, so while I am able to write a chat script from memory I am not familiar with all AT commands ;) | 21:53 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: There has been a time when I would know them by heart, but that's about a decade ago ;) | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 years | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | kandy has them all, nicely listed | 21:54 |
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| yacc | Let's see if the dumb Samsung Star of my daughter can play videos encoded for an ipod, ... | 21:56 |
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| nox- | have a link DocScrutinizer? :) | 21:58 |
| rysiek|pl | is kandy still supported and under development? I thought the project died | 21:58 |
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| epp | I just ordered my n900 off ebay! | 22:01 |
| pupnik | how much | 22:02 |
| rysiek|pl | oone, I suppose. | 22:02 |
| rysiek|pl | ; | 22:02 |
| rysiek|pl | ;) | 22:02 |
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| pupnik | i recall mercedes had this product policy similar to nokia | 22:03 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo i'm intruiged how much they are too ;) | 22:03 |
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| pupnik | design one car and sell it for ten years | 22:03 |
| pupnik | at least that's how the maemo branch of the business was handled | 22:04 |
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| yacc | pupnik, what's wrong with this? The N900 looks quite okay compared to modern Android mobiles, ... | 22:06 |
| yacc | pupnik, the only thing that will be a problem at some point is the 256MB RAM thing, ... | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2004/04/026-kandy/ sorry I guess it's discontinued since kde4 | 22:09 |
| pupnik | yacc: i really don't understand selling phones, but as a nerd i'd enjoy seeing incremental improvements / variants | 22:10 |
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| yacc | Ah, one step forward, two to the side, now that %$§& says something like "unsupported format or bitrate over" (it gets cut off before telling what the allowed bitrate might be), ... | 22:13 |
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| yacc | Why, why, stupid Samsung insists on using their own OS instead of a sensible Android (even without the Google apps as the low end phones don't meet Google's requirements), ... | 22:15 |
| yacc | sigh, my life was so much easier without females at home, ... | 22:16 |
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| epp | rysiek|pl, 370 USD | 22:19 |
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| nox- | o_O gsm modules in cars directly connected to canbus... | 22:22 |
| epp | cannibus | 22:23 |
| yacc | nox-, canbus is probably not the one you want ;) | 22:23 |
| nox- | well thats what he mentioned | 22:24 |
| nox- | (the guy in saal2) | 22:24 |
| nox- | something called `driver assist'(?) | 22:25 |
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| louis__ | Hi. I'm trying to transfer my contacts form my Android phone to my N900 though the "Transfer & sync" tool. The creation of the job goes fine both then it trys to get the data it just says "Failed" without any reason. Does anyone knows how to solve this problem? | 22:28 |
| yacc | louis__, Just sync your stuff from Google? | 22:29 |
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| louis__ | Why can't I use the tool "Transfer & sync"? Is it buggy? | 22:30 |
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| louis__ | yacc, yacc, Why can't I use the tool "Transfer & sync"? Is it buggy? | 22:32 |
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| jacekowski | louis__: it's only for nokia phones as far as i know | 22:39 |
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| louis__ | jacekowski: Okey. Thanks. | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: kdepim3-mobile [ Pfad: /opt/kde3/bin/kandy, Repository: zypp (kde3) ] sudo zypper install kdepim3-mobile | 22:47 |
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| nox- | ah, thx | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: yacc: what's wrong with canbus? Except it's a bus made for Controllers, not for raw data transfer like in IP / PPP or whatever | 22:58 |
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| nox- | well the talk was about gsm stack security holes exploitable over the `air'... | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTA vs CANBUS? strange | 22:59 |
| nox- | so attacker gets control of baseband cpu -> can talk to canbus | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I might think about arbitrary GSM modules attacking the ABS I'm going to develop, via CANBUS :-D | 23:00 |
| nox- | (just as a possiblilty, but a scary one :) | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed that'd need more than just one braindead vulnerability in canbus linked controllers | 23:01 |
| RST38h | "App store milestones: Windows Phone 7 hits 5,000 as Android passes 200,000 available apps" | 23:02 |
| RST38h | What is this craziness anyway? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ABS can't get triggered via canbus usually. As GSM OTA can't access canbus at all | 23:02 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: It's a bus that is really not very useful for random data transfers, OTOH, it does make sure that each device that you've designed into it get's the allocated amount of wire time ;) | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know canbus | 23:03 |
| yacc | ;) | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm supposed to, to work in industry on development of canbus controlled ABS | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ESP, whatever | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | aen't TLAs nice? Electronic Stability Program pretends to equip the car with Extra Sensorical Perception :-P | 23:06 |
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| yacc | DocScrutinizer: 9 months in Munich in the industry as a freelancer, and I have to admit that I wonder why cars designed this way even manage to start the engine ;) | 23:07 |
| BCMM | RST38h: counts of things in "app stores" fail to account for what fraction don't actually do anything, but instead present basically static information from the website of a band or a shop or something | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yacc: Munich? nice, seems I will foolow up your footsteps | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | follow* | 23:08 |
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| pradeep | everyone | 23:15 |
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| apt | Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me | 23:16 |
| apt | Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me | 23:16 |
| kerio | wait, what | 23:17 |
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| tybollt_ | ~ | 23:18 |
| tybollt_ | ~sod off | 23:18 |
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| alterego | Heh | 23:26 |
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| BCMM | http://www.shinyhardware.co.uk/prods/showprod.asp?pid=15470 - heh, i wonder if you could use this to use an old-fashioned phone as a handset | 23:27 |
| BCMM | (found while looking for unrelated USB things) | 23:27 |
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| nox- | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7830/zoom/ | 23:29 |
| nox- | :) | 23:29 |
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| alterego | Ooo, cake | 23:29 |
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| nox- | BCMM, also the modem would need voice commands, but maybe those are really standard nowadays... | 23:36 |
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| poison | 8 | 23:47 |
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| _nicolai_ | Hi | 23:56 |
| pupnik | hi | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what's wrong with apt now. She's stammering | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm OK - http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-12-28T23:16:48 | 23:58 |
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