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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: wouldn't it be reasonable to require that the symbolic name contains a hint about the parameters? Like TANA_FI_FOO_%4dSEC_%sRESULT. This way you'd never experience 're-use of indentifiers on ABI break', and you also would avoid any ABI break on missing translation file, which could otherwise cause a SEGV or whatever | 00:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: one or two teams try doing that | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 00:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem with that is it breaks one of the invariants | 00:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | which is that a user who sees an unlocalized string can file a bug for it | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have a value of %s = "", then you might end up w/ TANA_FI_FOO__BAR | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I see | 00:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and not realize it's actually TANA_FI_FOO_%s_BAR | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | assuming the leading part is unique, this wouldn't really break anything, no? | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | given how dumb our ui designers are | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it'd be trivial for them to have TANA_FI_FOO_%d and TANA_FI_FOO_%s | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe use TANA_FI_FOO_#%4dSEC_#%sRESULT | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | if %s is 0, then you're stuck | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | there's also the case where %s actually expands to *another* identifier | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | this i | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | s actually relatively common | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, a unique delimiter like # between first identifier part and second half parameter list would do | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | then teach ui designers everything after # is irrelevant | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | they might have heard that before | 00:07 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 00:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | teaching ui designers is clearly hard | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | remember, they're the problem here :) | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, nm | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | just felt like mentioning it a last time | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, things like this are more or less the ways you could approach it | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but this last bit is really the killer | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | ui designers come and go, and no useful training or enforcement comes | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | to get something that doesn't suck, you'd need to enforce api rules which are stricter than api rules used for C and similar methods | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and you'd need someone to actually review ui designs w/ l10n/l12y concerns in mind | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | apparently around maemo2-3 they had a "process" for this | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | but around maemo4 they discovered it was "overhead" and chose to "drop" it | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | note that the process almost certainly didn't work | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | so dropping it wasn't really wrong | 00:10 |
| timeless_mbp | (i found errors in maemo2/3 strings just as easily as later ones) | 00:10 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that while the step is necessary, you need to have someone clueful sitting in that step | 00:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer waves | 00:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | fed up with nokiaN900d11agreed22 | 00:12 |
| * Gh0sty sends DocScrutinizer a duvel | 00:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA, could use strace $BROWSER to find out which location user downloaded http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin to | 00:15 |
| Gh0sty | that should get your mind off cursing :p | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict duvel | 00:15 |
| infobot | could not find definition for duvel | 00:15 |
| Gh0sty | !google duvel moortgat | 00:16 |
| zgoldberg | Results for duvel moortgat on Google: | 00:16 |
| zgoldberg | -- | 00:16 |
| Gh0sty | the best belgian beer there is :p | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah nice | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, exactly what I planned to do: go out, get a beer, and finally some decent food | 00:17 |
| Gh0sty | you never drunk that? :o | 00:17 |
| Gh0sty | you should definately come to fosdem then! :P | 00:17 |
| Gh0sty | there is a hole in your culture! :P | 00:17 |
| Gh0sty | http://www.duvel.be/ | 00:17 |
| Gh0sty | great ... a friggin flash website which is broken due to custom implementation of scrollbars | 00:18 |
| Gh0sty | marketing people SUCK! | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: grr | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | why would the repository not have accurate info? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nspluginviewer: SEGV | 00:19 |
| Gh0sty | http://www.duvelmoortgat.be/index.php?id=en-duvel @ DocScrutinizer | 00:19 |
| Gh0sty | should give you an idea :p | 00:19 |
| Gh0sty | 8.5% | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 00:20 |
| Gh0sty | the -foolish- challenge exists that you get a cash deposit if you drink 10 in 1 hour and can still stand up straight :p | 00:20 |
| Gh0sty | most people need to be taken away due to alcohol poisoning :p | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | after 10 beer in 1 hour I have even mere volume problems | 00:21 |
| Gh0sty | :) | 00:22 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 00:22 | |
| * timeless_mbp *hates* this crap | 00:22 | |
| Gh0sty | duvel is just too heavy ... its not possible ... :p | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I couldn't drink this amount of tap water | 00:22 |
| Gh0sty | me neither :) | 00:22 |
| Gh0sty | and I dont do foolish drinking games either | 00:22 |
| Gh0sty | I enjoy a beer, a couple of beers | 00:22 |
| Gh0sty | but drinking to get drunk ... is not my thing | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's what I'll do now | 00:22 |
| Gh0sty | enjoy! :) | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | find me a beer | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 00:23 |
| Gh0sty | I go for a jenever :p p | 00:23 |
| Gh0sty | in the bar cabinet downstairs ;) | 00:23 |
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| Ehee | Hi all does anyone know if the N800 USB hardware and Diablo support isochronous I/O? | 00:24 |
| Ehee | I have seen some people using web cams in host mode using kernel mods but i cant seem to find if they are using isochronous I/O. I would like to use libusb1 in isochronous mode to pull data from MS kinect and pass the data off via wifi. I have libusb1 and a test app built and the device connected and showing up in /dev/bus/usb... but i get errors when trying to use isochronous transfer to the cam d | 00:24 |
| Ehee | evice. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ehee: afaik the musb driver is missing the relevant bits | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ehee: dunno about N800 hardware | 00:26 |
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| micadeyeye | I have a quick question. I want to build a package on pandaboard(OMAP 4430 processor), and I was wondering if I would be able to install the package on Nokia N900 (OMAP 3430 device). Which the package be successfully installed on the N900? | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's my tea leafes | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | if you use the right sdk/libraries/headers/compiler/.... | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, hop. Better than tea | 00:29 |
| micadeyeye | timeless_mbp: thanks. | 00:29 |
| Ehee | Doc: could you explain what bits are missing? i am using a custom build of libusb1 to connect so im not sure what parts of musb would be used | 00:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ehee: musb is Mentor USB - it's the host adaptor in the SoC | 00:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ehee: The driver is basically rather broken for host-mode, and only works in a very limited fashion. | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Ehee: So, ou might need to finish off the driver, and add isochronous mode. I don't know - I've never looked at it from that angle. | 00:47 |
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| Ehee | Speed: with a bit more digging and debug output i am getting a message to large error from a call to ioctl in the libusb1 code. It looks like the data being sent to the dev might be exceeding the max packet size. Do you know if /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/bMaxPacketSize0 is the size of the largest packet that can be sent on the bus for any device? | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | No idea. | 00:56 |
| Ehee | hmm ok | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you sure it in fact implements isochronus transfers at all? | 00:56 |
| Ehee | the code i have, yes it is using iso | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The driver is not a complete hostmode driver, bits have been left off | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Not the code - the driver | 00:57 |
| Ehee | ahh | 00:57 |
| Ehee | you mean the host mode driver in the kernel? | 00:57 |
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| Ehee | i aboxm not loading any drivers that are not part of the base kernel. the devices are found and added to /dev... then the code i have uses libusb1 to manualy comunicate with the devices. the code works fine in scratchbox running on ubuntu so my guess is its the kernel usb drivers or the hardware that is causing the issues. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - the kernel USB drivers I mean - the host controller. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It is one module. | 01:00 |
| Ehee | ok, thanks whats the host mode mod name? | 01:03 |
| alterego | h-e-n | 01:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: cool. | 01:04 |
| alterego | Or are you talking specifically kernel module name? | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it's a module. I think it's built-in. | 01:04 |
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| alterego | The host mode is a module | 01:05 |
| alterego | hcd something or other | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | $10 Philippe De Swert is having a Nokia Ninja filled Christmas. | 01:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, crazy person spamming my photostream. | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, wheres link? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | you have some awesome cars on there | 01:28 |
| lcuk | camera lens so good it can see back in time? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | the model T is cool | 01:28 |
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| * timeless_mbp needs a better diff tool | 01:35 | |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone have a diff tool which can use \n\n as the line sep? :) | 01:35 |
| FauxFaux | sed! | 01:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5291376083/ | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk: ^ | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk: yeah, often cool cars parked in front of the store. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5269401380/in/photostream/ | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't been very good about getting pictures, though. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | cool though! | 01:40 |
| lcuk | what other stores are nearby then? | 01:40 |
| lcuk | or are all these people coming into the bookshop? | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a Goodyear rubber store across the street. :P | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aperture is mangling my tags. | 01:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles must've forgotten a delimiter. | 01:42 | |
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| psycho_oreos | I wonder if there's an app for line-in audio recording on n900 | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | probably not | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | as you need the 4th pin to switch it to line in | 01:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | humm bugger thanks | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, fresh good milk :-) time for... 51996 | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | printf "%x" 51966 | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | cafe + 30 :-D | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0x30 | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | err nope | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevermind | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably I should use a calculator to do the decimal<->hex conversions :-P | 03:39 |
| nox- | gdb also works | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:39 |
| nox- | bbl | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas infobot is useless | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | only knows base-10 | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | though there she's amazing | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | (14 ** 18) + 777 | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~(14 ** 18) + 777 | 03:41 |
| infobot | 426878854210636742656 | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ 12! | 03:42 |
| infobot | i guess 12! is 479,001,600 | 03:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~10 ** 70 | 03:43 |
| infobot | a number with quite a few digits... | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~10 ** 40 | 03:43 |
| infobot | a number with quite a few digits... | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~10 ** 30 | 03:43 |
| infobot | a number with quite a few digits... | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~10 ** 15 | 03:43 |
| infobot | 1000000000000000 | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | 65536 ** (1/2) | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~65536 ** (1/2) | 03:45 |
| infobot | 256 | 03:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh, so microb actually had support for title="" info | 03:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | but just in links/images | 03:46 |
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| FIQ|n900 | and not the whole title :( | 03:50 |
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| pupnik | '.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.' HAPPY FESTIVUS '.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.'.' | 04:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | hi pupnik | 04:02 |
| pupnik | hi FIQ|n900 | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hola pupnik | 04:07 |
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| pupnik | hey DocScrutinizer have a beer | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | got a beer | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and got milk for my cafe | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | coffee | 04:13 |
| pupnik | those taste better if you don't mix em | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, there was like a 90min and a meal in between them | 04:13 |
| pupnik | cheetos and tea for me, my man | 04:14 |
| pupnik | helps to rotate your bad habits, like car tires | 04:15 |
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| loft306 | anybody about that can tell me wtere to put a CA cert and or what else is needed besides the sasl script to get sasl working for freesoode on the n900? | 04:19 |
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| loft306 | wiit can be PLAIN like noh DH-BLOWFIST for now | 04:20 |
| loft306 | *not | 04:20 |
| loft306 | crap my fingers are failing | 04:20 |
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| loft306 | the error im getting with SSL is like no local cert | 04:21 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | my N900 fails to power on | 06:26 |
| tzafrir_laptop | A few hours ago it almost ran out of battery. I managed to connect it to a USB charger after the second ring | 06:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tzafrir_laptop: errrrm, then charge it? | 06:44 |
| tzafrir_laptop | DocScrutinizer, hmm... it seems the charger was faulty, indeed. Not sure why, as it worked before | 06:45 |
| tzafrir_laptop | (a few hours ago) | 06:45 |
| tzafrir_laptop | I've now switched to charging it from USB | 06:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: ok, i think i've pushed my final version for a while | 09:59 |
| * timeless_mbp will update, test and then publish for the world | 09:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | (well, the small world) | 09:59 |
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| * timeless_mbp needs to work on the corrupt package / repository error messages some day :( | 10:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: yeah, i think i'm good enough | 10:05 |
| timeless_mbp | you should remove the <dot-number> from the repo path so that you don't get updates (or errors) from my beta repo :) | 10:07 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: no :) | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | khertan: ping | 10:56 |
| RST38h | moorning all | 10:56 |
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| TriztN900 | morning, gosh I wish I could go home... hate to work... | 10:59 |
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| yacc | Just out of curiosity, could it be that com.nokia.icd does not support dbus introspection? | 11:30 |
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| Lantizia | Hey anyone here got Plasma Mobile working on their N900 or know where to go to get it done? | 11:43 |
| yacc | Plasma Mobile? | 11:44 |
| Lantizia | yes | 11:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | care to explain? | 11:46 |
| Lantizia | not really - if you know what it is then you can help lol... if you don't know what it is then you can google :) | 11:48 |
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| BCMM_ | Lantizia: kde plasma, right? | 11:54 |
| yacc | How came that I cannot introspect com.nokia.icd2? mdbus2 just hangs, ... | 11:54 |
| Lantizia | BCMM_, indeed | 11:55 |
| kerio | yacc: because nokia | 11:55 |
| yacc | Well, so my finding that these Finnish trolls have left out the introspection API make sense? | 11:55 |
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| BCMM_ | Lantizia: a little mean to demand people google when you haven't... the n900 is the only platform plasma mobile has been tried on so far, afaik | 12:05 |
| Lantizia | BCMM_, and how do you know I haven't? | 12:06 |
| BCMM_ | Lantizia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_Workspaces#Mobile and http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2009/10/27/qgraphicsview-is-a-hummer-plasma-is-the-luxury-version/ | 12:06 |
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| Lantizia | seen them | 12:06 |
| sivang | morning people | 12:08 |
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| BCMM_ | well, one of those actually has a video of somebody "getting plasma mobile working on their n900", and the other says when it might be stable | 12:08 |
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| BCMM_ | yacc, psycho_oreos: plasma is KDE's desktop widget thing, amongst other things | 12:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | BCMM_, now that sounds vaguely familiar, I had to muck around with that for superkaramba on xfce | 12:11 |
| BCMM_ | it draws the panel and so on, and also supports things like google gadgets, and it's own native desktop applets written in qt and python | 12:11 |
| BCMM_ | psycho_oreos: yeah, it supporrs superkaramba applets too | 12:11 |
| BCMM_ | it replaces superkaramba, kdesktop and the kde panel from kde3 | 12:11 |
| yacc | BCMM_, yeah, not being really a KDE user ;) | 12:12 |
| BCMM_ | the applets can also be compiled c++ qt applications | 12:13 |
| BCMM_ | basically, the kde panel and desktop, including widgets | 12:13 |
| BCMM_ | for example, the kde taskbar is now implemented as a plasma widget | 12:13 |
| BCMM_ | people are working on running it on mobiles because it has a large library of widgetty thing; news and weather and so on | 12:14 |
| RST38h | How is the performance though? | 12:15 |
| BCMM_ | well, vid is smoothish, iirc | 12:15 |
| BCMM_ | ofc, depends on the widget; that's a bit like asking how xorg performs | 12:16 |
| BCMM_ | well written plasma stuff is pretty light on systems where 2d accel works properly | 12:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yacc: (Finnish trolls) yep, well known fact. That's why Mickey included that notice about "relies on proper introspection" in the first place, afaik | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yacc: though it shouldn't hang aiui. Maybe take some 90s to get a dbus timeout, but not hang | 12:36 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: that sucks ;( | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 12:36 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: so it's using strings on the icd2 binary? | 12:37 |
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| yacc | I just want to have a method to check the currently connected connection, ... | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask more savvy poeple than me, like lcuk. They have an excuse for that | 12:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yacc: you're aware of the phonecontrol wikipage? | 12:38 |
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| yacc | Yeah, but it does not include a call to GET the current connection, or I've consumed to much Methanol and am turning blind ;) | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (excuse) I understood it would've been much more work to implement introspection - though I can't really see why that is | 12:40 |
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| TrackerDPP | hello all | 12:40 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: I just want to make sure that a "connect" call really did succeed, ... | 12:41 |
| TrackerDPP | how i proced to install backtrack on my N900 ? | 12:42 |
| yacc | One classical algorithm would be while(variable != TARGET_VALUE) { do_something_so_that_variable_becomes(TARGET_VALUE); sleep(sometime); } | 12:42 |
| aslani | X-Fade: ping | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yacc: I have not the faintest idea about icd's dbus methods. So I can't really help. Just suggest usual *burp*, like using strings on the binary etc | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | aslani: pong | 12:43 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I thought of strings myself, well I guess I might do it tonight. | 12:43 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: probably because the metods are not supposed to be used by other applications as they are not stable? ;-) | 12:43 |
| yacc | It sucks to have to check manually if the dummy connection "USB connection" is online, ... | 12:43 |
| aslani | X-Fade: someone broke maemo.org? | 12:43 |
| yacc | aslani, that's what you get from letting small kids play with keyboards :-P | 12:43 |
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| X-Fade | aslani: Queue Shaggi..... "It wasn't me" | 12:44 |
| aslani | :-D | 12:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | frals: who was it to suggest "never assume malice, when mere incompetence or sloppiness will explain everything" | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | aslani: Can't ssh into the webservers. | 12:45 |
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| aslani | hm... this might be a problem | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | aslani: So that must be ISP internal network down or something like that. | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like javispedro, jaffa, or GAN900 | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | aslani: Correction, can't even reach the whole server farm. | 12:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | Doc: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | aslani: So datacenter issue. | 12:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | And I think it's been around for many years... | 12:46 |
| aslani | :) | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: or that :-D | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, repository.maemo.org went down with it eh? | 12:46 |
| aslani | ok, a small problem then | 12:46 |
| alterego | Sounds like something GAN would say though | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well no ... and yes. | 12:46 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: You can access the debs, but not the directory indexes or dynamic files. | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, so I should be able to test the SSU? | 12:47 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Not sure, try it out :) | 12:47 |
| aslani | X-Fade: want me to contact ISP or just wait? | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | aslani: If you can call their hotline? Your finnish is a lot better than mine. | 12:48 |
| aslani | X-Fade: roger that. I'll give them a call | 12:48 |
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| X-Fade | aslani: But my guess is "we are having network issues" or "Our datacenter burnt down" | 12:49 |
| alterego | X-Fade, my apps screenshot isn't showing up in downloads | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Well I can't even check downloads atm :) | 12:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:49 |
| alterego | Well, are the images moderated? | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | alterego: But there is a bug about that screenshot issue, which aslani is following up on iirc. | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I hope it's akamei's datacenter :-D | 12:50 |
| yacc | X-Fade, well, with my cable ISP it's usually enough to try to reach their call center. If there is a problem, they change the tape to say something like "sorry for the long wait time, we are experiencing a nuclear melt down in areacodes 1234" ;) | 12:50 |
| yacc | Then you don't even have to wait for an operator. | 12:50 |
| alterego | X-Fade: cool, good to know :) | 12:50 |
| aslani | X-Fade: yeah, "network issues" hopefully soon over, but you never know | 12:50 |
| alterego | Oh, is maemo.org down? | 12:51 |
| aslani | it is | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Scroll up a few lines more ;) | 12:51 |
| alterego | t.m.o is fine :) | 12:51 |
| alterego | t.m.o is fine :) | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | '³!!@*###!!€ĦЧª® N810 unsolicited reboot | 12:52 |
| alterego | Ah, cool | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | So the 9 days uptime since swapping battery were mere incidence | 12:52 |
| * alterego looks for things to do | 12:52 | |
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| alterego | Think I'll start working on that personaly finance app today. | 12:53 |
| alterego | Gonna do it in Qt Quick | 12:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: umm, connection refused. Hardly a fire | 12:55 |
| alterego | God, all the newbs got 'droids for Christmas and are now spreading it all over tmo it seems. | 12:56 |
| zap | X-Fade: hi! how about fixing unzip till new year? :-) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, network issues. Probably their routers. | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | zap: Shall we start over? Shall I wipe all versions? | 12:56 |
| zap | X-Fade: anything that would work :) | 12:57 |
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| zap | (only for fremantle) | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | zap: I tried to fix it a few times but somehow never managed to get it right. | 12:57 |
| zap | Diablo seems okay | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | zap: Yeah, only for fremantle. | 12:57 |
| zap | sad | 12:57 |
| zap | Fremantle Extras-testing free armelunzip 6.0-1maemo1 | 12:57 |
| zap | Fremantle Extras-testing free i386unzip 6.0-1maemo1 | 12:57 |
| zap | these two | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | zap: Is -devel fine? | 12:58 |
| zap | no | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 12:58 |
| zap | I have submitted the sources again, but they still did not appear | 12:58 |
| * alterego sips some more coffee | 12:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | unzip? isn't that in tools? | 12:58 |
| zap | DocScrutinizer: this is unzip 6.0 | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | zap: ok, will wipe it all there too and then we can start from scratch. | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | zap: once the network to the servers is back. | 12:59 |
| zap | good | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | akamai's xmess present :-D | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, that is not akamai. | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: But I guess you can do a reverse lookup too :) | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you locked Asange's account on garage? ;-D | 13:01 |
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| alterego | Hah | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: it's not one of my everyday practices, but I guess I still get it without reading a howto, yes | 13:02 |
| alterego | I wonder if he's still just down the road from me. | 13:02 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: ping maemo.org, copy ip, whois <ip> :) | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder... yeah, ofc dns works, even when ping stalls | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | As long as your dns servers are outside and ttl hasn't expired. | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | still I prefer a dig maemo.org | 13:05 |
| Ellement | can somone please shed some light on this for me, i'm getting the error on boot "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Oy | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Logica Finland Oy | 13:07 |
| achipa | ~down | 13:07 |
| infobot | it has been said that down is hell, or the enemy's gate, or where you were last weekened | 13:07 |
| alterego | Got this for xmas from my gfs mom: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=112 | 13:07 |
| alterego | It's really neat, even if it is ms | 13:07 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, MS hardware's cool tbh | 13:08 |
| alterego | :) | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I have a bluetrack mouse | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: sounds nasty. Problems with your SIM? | 13:09 |
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| MohammadAG | it was sexy, till the side decided to react with sth and the paint went away | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: please look at dmesg, search for any related error messages | 13:10 |
| Ellement | i swapped with another sim, same problem | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, who needs paint? | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: eeew | 13:10 |
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| Ellement | DocScrutinizer: where is dmesg, can i read it using terminal? | 13:11 |
| * MohammadAG install Xbox 360 remote | 13:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: I suggest you reflash rootfs. What's been the last (significant) thing you did on the phone? | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, err, Xbox 360 not included? that should be in the description! | 13:11 |
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| MohammadAG | I want my money back | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: sure. just type >>dmesg<< in terminal | 13:11 |
| Ellement | DocScrutinizer: Dropped it in toilet :O | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no kidding? | 13:12 |
| Ellement | nope, on xmas eve too, bad day for me | 13:12 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: :P | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | drop it in a pack of rice | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget it. Device is dead | 13:12 |
| Ellement | yeh i have done that | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK RICE!!!! | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | make a funeral | 13:12 |
| Ellement | was day b4 xmas eve sorry, so sat in rice for a few days | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~spank MohammadAG | 13:13 |
| * infobot bends MohammadAG over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG's pasty white buttocks. | 13:13 | |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, you can -try- disassembling it entirely, make sure there | 13:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | 's no residue left over | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: 2 days with battery and water? device is dead | 13:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | You've got a chance there, I suppose | 13:13 |
| Ellement | i unscrewed it, and wiped it down then left it unscewred/opened up in rice | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | ~botsmack | 13:13 |
| infobot | OWW! | 13:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | But it boots, right? It's just the communications module that doesn't | 13:14 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: starting a new app today, in Qt Quick/Qml | 13:14 |
| Ellement | yeh its boots | 13:14 |
| Ellement | just get error msg | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, which is? | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: keep device in a warm place (50..60°C) for ONE WEEK | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | WITHOUT BATTERY | 13:14 |
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| Ellement | u think even now do that? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | preferably disassembled | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device. | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | that? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: it's the only thing except buying a new one you can do | 13:16 |
| Ellement | i thought i could maybe flash it? | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't do that | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the device is fine, the modem's dead | 13:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | No, basicly that means the communications module can't be contacted... Right? | 13:16 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: It's a personal finance management ap. | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so what? | 13:16 |
| Ellement | is there a way to test the modem is dead? | 13:16 |
| alterego | app | 13:16 |
| alterego | Anyhow bbiab | 13:16 |
| Ellement | or communication module is dead | 13:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm... out of curiosity, what does "ifconfig" say? | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, :) | 13:17 |
| Ellement | ill see | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | dmesg | pastebinit | 13:17 |
| alterego | Ellement: you're the salt water guy right? | 13:17 |
| Ellement | toilet guy | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't confuse Ellement ! His device was fine before the accident. No flashing and no ifconfig will repair it | 13:17 |
| Ellement | >> ifconfig not found | 13:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | as root | 13:18 |
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| alterego | Ah, well, like they said, l.ey it dry out in a warm place for a few days | 13:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | Doc: I'm just curious as to whether -everything-'s dead, just the GSM module, or what? | 13:18 |
| alterego | You can speed things up if you take it appart (not recommended unless you really are prepared) | 13:18 |
| Ellement | i did unscrew it b4 to dry out | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: every minute with power will further destroy your device. REMOVE BATTERY *NOW* | 13:19 |
| * MohammadAG sighs at haider93's posts | 13:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | DRY IT | 13:19 |
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| Ellement | ok | 13:19 |
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| RobbieThe1st | He's already dried it for days. More than likely there's a bit of residue that's connected between two contacts. I think | 13:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | Or it got fried right at the beginning | 13:20 |
| Ellement | ill leave it for a few more days and try again | 13:20 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG | hi Venemo | 13:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | As far as water goes, It may not be an N900, but I took an old(dual-core) Dell workstation that had been out in the rain for quite a while with the case side open, cleaned it all out with WD40 and compressed air... And I've got a new PC. Surprising, considering the slightly corroded terminals. | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: yes. possibly. Depends on the water in toilet (sorry). If it was "clean" then probably only water remaining somewhere. Rice is a BAD idea to dry device | 13:21 |
| alterego | Lucky :) | 13:21 |
| Ellement | was clean, was it rice bad? | 13:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | I won't disagree there | 13:21 |
| alterego | rice? | 13:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's just that rice probably wouldn't get it all | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ellement: if however the water was with detergent or sth, you probably should rinse device with ethanol | 13:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | Doc: would you suggest putting it in an oven at what... 100F? | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 55°C | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | PC fan, or similar | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | for LOOONG time | 13:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | 131F, that sounds about right... | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | a week, or more | 13:22 |
| Ellement | thanks for all your advice, ill touch base again in a few days and let you know how its going | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure the temperature doesn't rise above 80..90°C or your dvice will melt | 13:23 |
| tybollt_ | must... not... recommend... microwave... | 13:23 |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:23 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Microwave... Not a good idea. Mainly because of the antennas. | 13:24 |
| RobbieThe1st | You can fry a RFID chip in just a few seconds with one of those! >:3 | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | microwave is a sure means to kill microelectronics | 13:24 |
| * timeless_xchat pokes mohammadag | 13:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | battlefield aproved | 13:25 |
| * MohammadAG pokes timeless_mbp | 13:25 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:25 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag, so, did you try it? | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | microwave also works excellent to erase CDs forever :-D | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, just noticed the PM | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so it's a quick way to erase CD-RWs? :P | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well | 13:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | Provided you don't want -anyone- to ever have to use it, sure | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | though beware! CIA can recover even those | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | even if I shred it? | 13:27 |
| tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer: there was a thread about a sure means to insta-kill a HDD if the coppers come raid your home. Many suggested the microwave. For an old mechanical disk in a solid metal housing - you think it'd work quickly? | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | then rebuild it again | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | and shred it | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's a bit harder for them, MohammadAG | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, 404 | 13:27 |
| timeless_xchat | hrm | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | lol DocScrutinizer | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt_: useless futile nonsense | 13:28 |
| tybollt_ | :) | 13:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | nothing beats thermite :) | 13:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | Speaking of microwaves, killing those stupid debit-card-rfid chips is easy - stick it in for 5 seconds, and you've got an undamaged card(mag strip works fine), with a nice little black dot where the chip used to be. >:3 | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt_: move to >15th floor. Then just throw it out the window | 13:28 |
| tybollt_ | bruahaha :) | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure there's concrete where it lands | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | only semi-safe way. Better way: fire. But that takes quite a time | 13:29 |
| psycho_oreos | like I said, thermite | 13:29 |
| GuySoft | maemo.org is offline? | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | wouldn't a WMD work too? :P | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | best way: low level format the HDD | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | GuySoft, it's dead, for now | 13:30 |
| * MohammadAG would bomb it, fastest way | 13:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | impossible to recover, despite the legends suggesting different | 13:30 |
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| timeless_xchat | mohammadag, thanks, fixed | 13:31 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "maemo.org temporarily DOWN, sorry for the inconvenience! | Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 13:31 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 13:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | please somebody pinf the chanops when maemo.org is back to life | 13:32 |
| * MohammadAG uses /cs topic sometimes, lets chanserv set the topic | 13:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ping* | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's much more inconvenient than that nice texteditor box in Konversation | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation. | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | If you see them, show them this information: | 13:34 |
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| MohammadAG | maemo.org's down | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's some topicappend, maybe even prepend, but anyway | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 | 13:36 |
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| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | good morning all, hope you all having a good holidays | 13:42 |
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| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | busy working on a portrait homescreen using qbw. i can get the icons fine and even done a portrait flipclock. | 13:46 |
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| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | does anyone know how to do vertical text instead of horizontal in qbw? | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | Never used QBW DocScrutinizer | 13:52 |
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| alterego | Queen Beacon thingy? | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even sure what it is. Anyway thought portrait is interesting for you | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | yeah alterego | 13:53 |
| alterego | Yeah, never used it myself. | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's just a widget that executes commands | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG | basically, it's still landscape | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, know queenB | 13:54 |
| BluesLee | qbw is cool | 13:54 |
| alterego | My girlfriend is going to Paris for two weeks tomorrow, can you imagine the hackathon I'm gonna be having :D | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | It's cool, but it's not the portrait that interests me :P | 13:54 |
| BluesLee | portrait? | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, she'll find you high on Qt when she's back | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I started with desktop execution widget and never felt like giving quennB a try | 13:54 |
| alterego | I wonder how we could manage portrait widgets in hildon. | 13:55 |
| RST38h | EHLO Mohammad, Doc | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | he isn't alterego | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | he's just adding rotated contents | 13:55 |
| BluesLee | i dont need portrait mode | 13:55 |
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| MohammadAG | hey RST38h | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi RST38h | 13:55 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | yeah, rotated the png files for flipclock | 13:55 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | i'd like to replicate the statud | 13:56 |
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| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | s menu that d4rklar did | 13:56 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | http://d4rklar.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d34xus9 | 13:56 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I know, just wondering if we can do a hildon desktop with portrait support one day. | 13:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why I pinged MohammadAG | 13:57 |
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| alterego | I'd also like configurable shortcuts. | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | HA | 13:58 |
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| alterego | keyboard short cuts, moving out xterm binding and such to an ini file or something. | 13:58 |
| alterego | Hell, gconf I don't care :) | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, xchat keybindings *are* an ini file | 13:59 |
| alterego | pfft | 13:59 |
| alterego | I mean hd bindings like ctrl-shift-x | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | we need some system wide universal shortcut handler though | 14:00 |
| alterego | I want ctrl-shift-w to be web | 14:00 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, it is | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | re | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | augmented functionality *inside* kbd driver | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also aware of some system/device-states, like which app has focus, portrait/landscape, a few more | 14:02 |
| alterego | Well, a better shortcutd which is context aware then | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | capable of recording and playback of true macros, and sending out dbus and doing execve or other means to start processes | 14:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: so, how's it feel? | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | multi-key shortcuts | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blue-ctl-F, 1 -> F1 . Blue-ctl-F, DOT, 1 -> F11 | 14:05 |
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| Khertan_ | Morning all ! | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | blue-down, ctl-down, UP, blue-up, <[0-7]{3} "octal number">, ctl-up -> arbitrary keycode as defined by "octal number", as in ALTGR+NK on a PC | 14:09 |
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| Khertan_ | DocScrutinizer: ? | 14:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer just noticed this ALTGR+NK doesn't work on his laptop and wonders if that's been a function of the keyboard's controller | 14:14 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Khertan_: ?? | 14:17 |
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| * Khertan_ didn't just understand what you were talking about blue-down, ctl-down ... | 14:18 | |
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| Khertan_ | s/what/why | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Khertan_: I tossed out a few examples of how to use the free multikey macro function in jrkbddrv (yet to come) to input function keys or arbitrary keys of which you know the keycode | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just creating a forth alike macro definition language in my mind | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/alike// | 14:23 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: just creating a forth macro definition language in my mind | 14:23 |
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| comawhite | :þ | 14:26 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, after lots of network diagnostics | 14:28 |
| MohammadAG | it's failing to download | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ?! :( | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I anticipate the bitching and flaming of kernel devels about layering violations, when such a driver dared to talk to dbus | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | HAM gets the size and all, but not the deb itself | 14:29 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ever used flash LED hardware? | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's that? | 14:33 |
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| RST38h | Trolls 2.0 at tmo | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, a friend's N95 has an always on flash | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sure, as they can't troll on [^(talk)].maemo.org | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you mean the flash/videolight LED(s) won't ever shut down, or what? | 14:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to prepare a tea, for the leaves | 14:36 | |
| MohammadAG | yes, the white LED, but the N95 has no flashlight support | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | so i'm guessing it's a HW problem | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | or reflash :-P | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | he did | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then it's obviously hw | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | a quite amazing bug | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, not really | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | a short in one transistor in the controller chip is sufficient to cause this | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | i'm surprised it hasn't died yet | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: grr | 14:39 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't get it | 14:39 | |
| timeless_mbp | this worked fine earlier | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | this transistor has to cope with rather considerable current spikes, so it's not unusual it fails that way | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | as again, it has no support for a flashlight | 14:40 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what else is wrong | 14:40 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what means "no support for flashlight"? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | the N95 can't turn on its fashlight | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, so it's a dummy? | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | normally that is | 14:43 |
| Sicelo | MohammadAG: could be a problem with ribbon cable | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that started to emit light ? | 14:43 |
| * alterego wonders how long it's gonna be until maemo is back up .. | 14:43 | |
| trx | he meant you cant turn it on whenever u want | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's only supported in still mode | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, NEVAR | 14:44 |
| trx | lol | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: oh | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it's trying to get gettext from extras | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and maemo.org's repo is hosed | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | note to self: don't depend on maemo.org infra | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was too humble to suggest to check that | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | lemme see if i can pull a gettext out of a hat | 14:45 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders where such a hat would be | 14:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anywhere upstream? | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: kindle arrived | 14:46 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: it proudly said "Congratulations for purchasing your first Kindle, Elisabeth" | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Elisabeth? | 14:47 |
| * MohammadAG has it | 14:47 | |
| crashanddie | well, GAN bought it for me, probably with his sister's account or something, I dunno | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | gettext that is | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | and if you don't check "This is a gift", it links it to the account | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, admit it, you changed your name .P | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: does the account include any interesting books? :) | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | nha, just a sample | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cool, so now you can access Elisabeth's Amazon account? | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | about nurses or something | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | nha, I deregistered it, and created an account for the girlfriend | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | she's happy as, really enjoys the device | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | and the fact she can now use her kindle to read her email without using my computer is double bonus | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | for her or for you? :-P | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | me :D | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: so, um... wanna try using a command line and dealing w/ the dependency failures? :( | 14:49 |
| * timeless_mbp now doesn't have the package installed on this device :( | 14:49 | |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: You do understand that Amazon now knows you as Elizabeth? =) | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | nope, they don;t | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | cuz GAN bought the kindle, not me :P | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | they do! | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | they know EVRYTNG | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | hehe | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | anyway, 'later | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | happy happy, joy joy | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | once you stepped on the kindle, they even know the size of your shoes | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Depends on whether you manage to destroy its wireless antenna quickly enough | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Hehe: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=9421286 | 14:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer idly wonders what details you can deduce from close monitoring of a persons book reading habits | 14:55 | |
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| RST38h | Is this the final evolutionary stage for TMO posters, or should we expect more "development"? | 14:55 |
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| RST38h | Doc: DHS says you can deduce if they are terrorists or not | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! | 14:56 |
| RST38h | Hello, javispedro | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: >>Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.<< | 14:56 |
| javispedro | morning | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I guess there's room for development | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: (deduce) you also know when is best time to raid their home | 14:59 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, installing | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh | 15:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | grr | 15:04 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks maemo.org | 15:04 | |
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| * achipa kicks it back | 15:04 | |
| Venemo | hi again | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Doc: "451oF" covers the book thing rather extensively. There isn't much to add. | 15:04 |
| * noobmonk3y feels betetr after a nice little rant on tmo :) | 15:04 | |
| noobmonk3y | hey Venemo | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | hey achipa | 15:04 |
| achipa | hey noobmonk3y | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=904253&postcount=804 :P | 15:05 |
| pupnik | hey, where there's rants there's life | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | lol pupnik v true :) | 15:05 |
| Venemo | hello noobmonk3y :) | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | haven't had a good rant in a while :) | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | hey noobmonk3y | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | wb Venemo | 15:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | hey MohammadAG!! :) | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y | happy xmas and all the trimmings etc :p | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y | if you celebrate xmas? lol | 15:06 |
| Venemo | he doesn't | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y | oh well, booze and extra bacon... lol allways a reason to celebrate ;) hehe | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | Merry Christmas though :P | 15:07 |
| noobmonk3y | that guy does have a point, the new healthchek does suck lol | 15:08 |
| noobmonk3y | so time for another rebuild i think | 15:08 |
| noobmonk3y | but thats the point of developing, try try try again lol | 15:08 |
| Venemo | hehe | 15:08 |
| Venemo | noobmonk3y, I added one of your images to Puzzle Master if you don't mind | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | Venemo, of course not! | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | :) :) :) | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | thankyou! :) | 15:09 |
| Venemo | no, I thank you | 15:09 |
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| Venemo | people like your pic, so I might add another one someday | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe cool! ty! you welcome to add any you want :0 | 15:09 |
| Venemo | ok, thx noobmonk3y :) | 15:10 |
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| Khertan_ | [14:08] <noobmonk3y> but thats the point of developing, try try try again lol <<< it s try, fail, try, fail, try, fail again :) | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: try - fail - try harder - fail better :-P | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: did it install? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, MohammadAG and bacon? I don't see those two going together well | 15:18 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, yep, and the strings got changed correctly | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | how's it feel? | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: MohammadAG also said he's not interested in booze | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, a bit weird, I'm used to long strings in settings P | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: not all strings are shorter | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | if the strings need to be longer to explain what they're doing, they'll be longer | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: but try installing something :) | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | (there's a splash screen available from that repository, you could install it) | 15:20 |
| noobmonk3y | lol doc :) | 15:20 |
| Venemo | what's wrong with maemo.org | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: holiday vacations | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | see /topic | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | even servers get them | 15:21 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: heh. | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eeew, netsplit? | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I like the changes done to nm | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: thanks | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | those are new | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Lumi+haittaa+junaliikennett%C3%A4+my%C3%B6s+VRn+lipunmyynti+kaatunut+/1135262634413?ref=tf_iHSuutisboksi_p1 | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: can you please confirm one change for me? | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | sure | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a don't sync when battery is exhausted (or something like that) | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | Guess where Finland's national railway system is hosted ;) | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to know if that setting means <never sync> or <always sync> | 15:23 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, in, umm, finland? :P | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | the UI spec is silent on what it does (i could read the code, but....), and the original ui is ambiguous | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Same datacenter. Which seems to have a power failure. | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it means never sync when battery's under 15% | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, sorry, my Finnish is a bit rusty :P | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: oh, i know what the 15%, 5% and 20% mean | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Lumi%2Bhaittaa%2Bjunaliikennett%25C3%25A4%2Bmy%25C3%25B6s%2BVRn%2Blipunmyynti%2Bkaatunut%2B/1135262634413%3Fref%3Dtf_iHSuutisboksi_p1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhz-K6FO3b1JGVya5Kvl7yW2_CV-A | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: the last one is the one that interests me | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it was 'Never' | 15:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | but it's hard to know if they meant 'Don't sync Never' or 'Don't sync Ever' | 15:25 |
| Shapeshifter | anyone else syncing google calendar? for some reason, manual syncs seem to work while automatic periodal syncs fail. the I go to the status, hit 'sync manually' and then it says 'connected' and works | 15:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: mfe? | 15:26 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: yes | 15:26 |
| libben | im getting some repos problem | 15:27 |
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| libben | this is my repos list http://pastebin.com/GLsu4b8J | 15:27 |
| timeless_mbp | libben: perhaps you should read the channel topic? | 15:27 |
| timeless_mbp | or the last 10 lines of the irc channel... | 15:27 |
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| yacc | Shapeshifter, well, my guess would be that the Exchange ActiveSync quality piece of software on googles side is far from perfect. Furthermore the connectivity of the n900 via WLAN/cellular networks is not always perfect, can be that the ActiveSync client is sensitive to say slow DNS or other problems like that. | 15:28 |
| libben | heh =) so maemo is down for the moment | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wb everybody | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, never disable sync, even if the battery is 0% | 15:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | yacc: mhh. I'll try erminig | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | i.e keep syncing till the battery dies | 15:28 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ok | 15:28 |
| loft306 | ta | 15:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | USPS fail. | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: good | 15:30 |
| timeless_mbp | so i guessed correctly | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf usps | 15:31 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what usps means... | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict usps | 15:31 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'usps' an independent federal agency that provides mail processing and delivery service for individuals and businesses in the United States | 15:31 |
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| yacc | Shapeshifter, as the n900 software stack uses mostly just normal socket operations for networking, hence if they've used some ready-to-use component for ActiveSync it might be nonperfect for the spotty network connectivity that a mobile device might provide. | 15:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which reminds me about the rsync job I planned to hook up to my laptop's crontab | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or should I trigger that rsync from N900? | 15:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders | 15:35 | |
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| * yacc hates iphones, ... | 15:35 | |
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| yacc | Shapeshifter, if it makes you happy, I do have similar problems, but then, I don't care overly, as the n900 has become the canon of my data, as I'm connecting it via VNC when at the desktop, ... | 15:41 |
| yacc | Btw, is there a way to get an alternate word completion on the n900? (if it knows more than one word for the prefix, so I can view all the known endings?) | 15:43 |
| Shapeshifter | yacc: seems like erminig works okay. it can sync multiple calendars which is great | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's QThreadStorage ? | 15:45 |
| yacc | erminig? | 15:45 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: My guess would Thread-Local storage? | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (x86) kate: QThreadStorage: Thread 0x8050008 exited after QThreadStorage 2147483636 destroyed | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder why I'd be interested in that | 15:46 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 15:49 |
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| yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, you are interested in creation/destruction of almost any object in C++. Actually you might be interested in that even in garbage-collected languages, ... | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but not as a user running kate from cmdline :-D | 15:50 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, you know how it is with debugging messages, ... | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-S | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lazy coders assuming you have to run their app 2>/dev/null 1>&2, just because they're too sloppy to clean out their debug printfs properly | 15:53 |
| johnsq | DocScrutinizer: :) | 15:53 |
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| javispedro | god no | 15:54 |
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| javispedro | you should reward those lazy developers | 15:54 |
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| javispedro | they're a godsend when you're trying to RE some component =) | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but actually I'd appreciate more if they'd regard --debug cmdline parameter | 15:55 |
| loft306 | vtann so wget for the n900? | 15:55 |
| loft306 | err | 15:55 |
| loft306 | hat no wget for the n900? | 15:55 |
| loft306 | vtan | 15:55 |
| loft306 | crap | 15:55 |
| loft306 | what no wget for the n900? | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazzup? | 15:56 |
| loft306 | not my typing yet | 15:56 |
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| loft306 | i ttisk im about to set up the bitt to use deb packages | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Package: wget | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Versions: | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1.10.2-2osso3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) | 15:57 |
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| loft306 | vwhy cant i findthat DocScrutinizer | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 15:58 |
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| loft306 | i got tnesting | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install wget? | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though right atm you might face problems with repos down | 15:59 |
| Spookje | repos seem to be back up again.. | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 15:59 |
| Spookje | somewhat.... | 16:00 |
| loft306 | yay used apt first time on the thing | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo.org semi-alive, wiki.m.o still dead | 16:01 |
| Spookje | bugs is also dead.. | 16:02 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah they were squished because the when httpd died it landed on the bugs | 16:02 |
| psycho_oreos | ;p | 16:03 |
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| * pupnik pictures an alternate 2007 with a series of phones and tablets running maemo | 16:05 | |
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| pupnik | on the other hand that was probably just too early | 16:07 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "maemo.org temporarily shaky, sorry for the inconvenience! | Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog" | 16:13 | |
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| loft306 | DocScrutinizer trip ower the powercord? | 16:14 |
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| javispedro | he tripped but couldn't recover balance right until finland, where the power cord is | 16:15 |
| loft306 | :) | 16:15 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: The gsm applet looks ugly now | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: picture? | 16:15 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: The text is too big | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | (or url where i can install it, but given that maemo.org is shaky...) | 16:16 |
| loft306 | updating and the timeless updates taking forever | 16:16 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: its is called 2G/3G applet i think | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | loft306: you blaming me for something? | 16:17 |
| loft306 | naht | 16:17 |
| loft306 | sah | 16:17 |
| loft306 | crap | 16:17 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: 3G/2G/Dual Mode Selection Applet | 16:17 |
| loft306 | nah | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: afaict, the maemo repositories are unhappy | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | which means it isn't practical for me to install, picture please? | 16:17 |
| loft306 | always stuck at 99% | 16:18 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: what is the keystroke for screenshot? | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | ctrl-shift-p | 16:18 |
| loft306 | tey anyone get sasl working is xchat or irssi for freesode as the n900? | 16:19 |
| loft306 | on the | 16:19 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: strange it is not capturing on my device | 16:20 |
| loft306 | i know i need prob perl tostart with | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: um, it goes to ~/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/ or something | 16:20 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/67572716@N00/5296843522/ | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, cute | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, um... | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | using strings from another domain is a bad idea | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctl like "I'm in control", shift like "you might slip off the table!" and p like "print-screen now!" | 16:23 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: maybe the defaults were better. | 16:24 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: any idea how can i get to the previous command i typed in xchat. Arrow keys causes the window to scroll only in xchat. | 16:25 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i followed your setting of xchat if you remember. | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: please switch your locale to Polish | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and try the applet | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | or finnish | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: heh, that scrolling by arrows was something *I* set on *my* xchat some 4 weeks ago :-P | 16:26 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: how? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | potentially czeck or danish | 16:26 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: Regional Settings? | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: open settings>language and region | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also mapped cmd history to shift-up/down | 16:26 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i would like that :) | 16:27 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: there is no Finland in the country list? | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | select in this order: Polski, Suomi, Čeština, Dansk | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | not country list, language | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | (requires reboot) | 16:28 |
| loft306 | im thinking easier to kust use TOR | 16:28 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: yeah, now rebooting | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: i think you'll find that at least the first two, and potentially the last two all fail | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and those are official localizations | 16:29 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i selected Polska in the Country and it went for a reboot | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: not country, language :) | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | (There's a difference...) | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, if you do find that they fail, please file a bug against that applet and explain that it isn't ok to use strings from another domain | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | nor is it a good idea to assume that strings will fit in a constrained space (provide picture from Polski) | 16:29 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp:No i changed the Country to Polska, not the language | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: err | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | changing the country won't do anything useful :( | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsckngshit! once konqueror got a webpage with broken or missing CSS loaded, there's obviously no way to make it reload the whole thing and recover the CSS | 16:30 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp:ok, i am going to set Language as Polski and Conutry to UK | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: ok | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | (the country item is 99% useless fwiw, it does stuff but only rarely) | 16:31 |
| timeless_mbp | (getting regions to work is incredibly hard, it makes getting languages seem easy) | 16:31 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i noticed that whenever translations are updated, the widgets are killed from the home screen | 16:31 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: as in they don't come back ever? | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | (i obviously don't use widgets) | 16:32 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i have add them again | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | cute | 16:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: any idea how to ask hildon-home (?) to quit nicely? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall? | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: basically i need the desktop to relaunch, so i kill it | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's likely that desktop assumes it was crashed by one of your applets | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and thus chooses not to start them the next time | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, iirc it does | 16:33 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/67572716@N00/5296870532/ | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: open settings | 16:34 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for the relevant setting | 16:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | tap the Blue Phone icon | 16:35 |
| Spookje | do a /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop restart ? | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (i can give you a translation of Blue Phone if you like, but) | 16:35 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i have already reverted to English :( | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: grr | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, that's fine | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | well, no | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | it's only fine if you trust me | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the string is "Dwuzakresowa" | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | which obviously doesn't fit | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, lemme talk you through finding it in Phone in English | 16:36 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | so you can file a bug and explain which string was being *abused* | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | open Settings>Phone; scroll to Network | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | the second drop down "Use 3G" | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | note the available space for the button | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and consider the values | 16:37 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: it is a big button | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | "Duální" "Dobbelt" "Dual" "Dual" "Dual" "Dual" "Dual" "Kaksitoimisuus" "Double" "Double" "Duale" "Dual" "Dobbelt" "Dwuzakresowa" "Duplo" "Duplo" "3G+GSM" "Dual" | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | are the strings you have (roughly) | 16:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | 3G+GSM is not particularly long when compared to the others... | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: the right UI here is two buttons both of which can be depressed | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | [ GSM ] [ 3G ] | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so you could have: [=GSM=] [ 3G ], [ GSM ] [=3G=], [=GSM=] [=3G=], [ GSM ] [ 3G ] | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | "Kaksitoimisuus" :-) | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | meaning GSM only, 3G only, Dual, <turn off cellular module> | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: ? admiring the finnish? | 16:41 |
| tybollt_ | sjk: Mitää maxan virtaheppo? | 16:41 |
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| ShadowJK | My rhino? | 16:42 |
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| tybollt_ | =) | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt_: google things you mean virtahepo | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and is that roughly "how much is this hipo?" ? | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, that's nice UI, enabling tablet mode through same thing :-) | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (because google translate can't deal with it) | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: yep | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | please send feedback to the author | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: it's a hybrid though. When using GSM you're in a naming space that doesn't know about 3G, rather use UMTS. If you want to use 3G you should refer to GSM as 2G | 16:43 |
| tybollt_ | timeless_mbp: Yes I know :) | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt_, you probably have it in your memory as spoken word :-) | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: the target audience is "normal" people, not techies | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly. That's why | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | to me, 2G can include things like Sprint/NexTel's network | 16:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | or Verizon's network | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 16:44 |
| tybollt_ | sjk: Very much so... I was thought this gem when I traveled w/ the finlandsbåt for the first time - needless to say lots of alcohol was involved :) | 16:44 |
| tybollt_ | so - will there be another maemo device or is the next thing out there going to be meego? Is this confirmed yet? | 16:45 |
| timeless_mbp | > 2G technologies can be divided into TDMA-based and CDMA-based standards depending on the type of multiplexing used. The main 2G standards are: | 16:45 |
| timeless_mbp | -bash: 2G: command not found | 16:45 |
| * timeless_mbp thanks Terminal.app | 16:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 16:45 |
| timeless_mbp | cdmaOne (CDMA-based, commonly referred as simply CDMA in the US), used in the Americas and parts of Asia. Today accounts for about 17% of all subscribers globally | 16:46 |
| timeless_mbp | iDEN (TDMA-based), proprietary network used by Nextel in the United States and Telus Mobility in Canada | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the connectivity applet also using 2G and 2.5, rather than GSM | 16:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, anyway, that's why i don't want to use 2G | 16:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it's important for the user to understand they're limited to GSM networks | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, as if you'd need to teach users about their N900 isn't a CDMA phone | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc we had sales people who didn't know | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | you can check the channel logs for around launch time for all the funnies | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | is this a wiki or a button? | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | button | 16:47 |
| javispedro | just be a gnome-like nazi and remove the entire option | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | (well, drop down) | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: i'm acting as a linguist here | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | so i can't | 16:48 |
| javispedro | why would a user need to choose between UMTS and GSM and "Kaksitoimisuus" | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and the reason the item exists has to do w/ power use | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | the user can choose from Kaksitoimisuus, 3G, GSM | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and i didn't change the Finnish | 16:49 |
| Shapeshifter | gee tethering is involved when only using cli tools | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm all for abreviating this to "Kaka" | 16:49 |
| javispedro | "High power"/"Low poper" | 16:49 |
| javispedro | *power | 16:49 |
| javispedro | written in a better sounding way, ofc. | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: anyway, that's why the setting exists | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i could change it to talk about power usage | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin shit. I hope I'm free to keep the short nice international 2G/3G/DUAL | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | but it wouldn't help the guy who's doing an applet borrowing strings | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, low power, high power, high speed | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: international? | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.flickr.com/photos/67572716@N00/5296843522/lightbox/ | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, dual probably greek or latin | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | 2g+3g :-) | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.flickr.com/photos/67572716@N00/5296870532/lightbox/ | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | which makes timeless' suggestion make even more sense | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: not all of our languages are related to greek/latin | 16:51 |
| * timeless_mbp thanks Russian and Finnish | 16:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | which suggestion? Kaka? | 16:51 |
| Shapeshifter | ppp is crap | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | oh gah | 16:51 |
| Shapeshifter | ._. | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | OpenVPN is nearly as stupid as Nemo | 16:52 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 16:52 | |
| * MohammadAG stabs ChanServ | 16:52 | |
| * ShadowJK likes openvpn :-) | 16:52 | |
| ShadowJK | I used to do ssh+ppp before discovering openvpn | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/25hg2kl.jpg can't get it right | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: would you be willing to file bugs for me? | 16:52 |
| * MohammadAG hates filing bugs | 16:53 | |
| MohammadAG | got a crapload of them | 16:53 |
| ShadowJK | is it related to applets, or routing scripts, or default gateway getting replaced, because I don't use any of those features myself | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: yeah, save is misplaced :) | 16:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how timeless_mbp will include the explaing popup to signal applet, about what's the real meaning of 2G | 16:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: status menu thing | 16:54 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I don't use that thing | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | can you file the bug anyway? | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | picture is included for free | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | (thanks to trumee ) | 16:54 |
| ShadowJK | okay | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess consistency isn't a mandatory property of maemo GUI | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ditch the save button | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: consistency? | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | do we have that? *anywhere*? | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, why? | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: it looks awful and isn't needed | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | as long as there's a <go back to previous station> option you can deal w/ frequency | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it doesn't look awful in landscape mode | 16:56 |
| * ShadowJK can't seem to access bmo now? | 16:56 | |
| MohammadAG | I just need to figure out how to make it stretch | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: maemo.org services are probably mostly hosed by snow | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | it's a conspiracy to take down maemo.org | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, the goal was to take out finnish rail | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo.org was collateral damage | 16:56 |
| * MohammadAG holds X- Fade hostage | 16:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: obviously not. It's more like a feggin textadventure, where you have to find out by yourself about 2G in system area signal applet is the same thing as GSM in the menu you open by clicking on it | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what's the problem? | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: not an issue | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the ui i propose isn't an equivalent | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it does more (tablet mode) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course not. People adore text adventures | 16:58 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the problem/suggestion/bug whatever? | 16:58 |
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| MohammadAG | oh | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | longer text | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | hardcode it | 16:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: localization rules say not to recycle a string into another context | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT??? | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | that's part of where that second param to tr() comes from | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | you can do tr("3G", "controlpanel") and tr("3G", "statusbarnarrowbutton") | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF THIS has to do with using GSM instead of 2G on a button in system menu?? | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | if the localizer chooses to use the same string, great | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | besides, GSM is what nokia used | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i just haven't changed it | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, actually, i did change it :) | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so go complain to nokia :) | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm fuckin complaining to nobody, as you like to play the fool here | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, if the guy wants to use my button pair w/ hard coded 3G and 2G | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | that's fine by me | 17:02 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, remind me again once bmo comes back? | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: k | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | is the bug against 3g-2g-selection-applet? | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | don't bother, it's qwerty12's | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12's dead, right? | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | nmu? :) | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | in terms of maemo.org, yes | 17:04 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what the license is | 17:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | the bug should be filed anyways | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so people are aware that what was done there was wrong and recognized as wrong | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | GPl | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | GPL* | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | gtk_button_set_label (GTK_BUTTON (plugin->priv->toggle_button[i]), g_dgettext_localised_or_english ("osso-connectivity-ui", items[i].msgid, items[i].fallback_string)); | 17:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, totally uncool | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | typoing the .mo filename might return to fallback | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 17:05 |
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| MohammadAG | {"conn_va_phone_network_mode_b", "Dual"}, | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | {"conn_va_phone_network_mode_2g", "GSM"}, | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | {"conn_va_phone_network_mode_3g", "3G"}, | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | that's fallback ^ | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /* next line segfaults if user forgot to stirr his coffee. That's intentional though, and we need it to comply to our own fubar development guidelines */ | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, don't forget to include <math.h> | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | /* NB: UI developers *never* forget to stirr their coffee */ | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: i could accidentally hack the binary for that package :) | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i currently do it for Nokia Messaging | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | (i also support reversible hacks, but chose to skip it for nokia messaging) | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | the binary for what package o_O | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: the one whose source you're browsing | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | why hack the binary when you have a source... | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno where the binary is, but i'm sure someone could tell me | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd have to do an nmu | 17:15 |
| FireFly|n900 | Hmm | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and test and stuff | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/lib/hildon-desktop | 17:15 |
| FireFly|n900 | The maps app isn't open-source, is it? | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | i think | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:15 |
| FireFly|n900 | darn it | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | FireFly|n900: the maps app is 99% html/js | 17:15 |
| FireFly|n900 | I'm interested in how the whole JS wrapping works | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | which means if you want to do interesting things to it, you more or less can | 17:15 |
| FireFly|n900 | yeah | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | There's a guy on tmo that's been enabling stuff he found disabled in the code, and adding features | 17:16 |
| FireFly|n900 | But I wanna understand how it launches the html file | 17:16 |
| FireFly|n900 | Oh | 17:16 |
| FireFly|n900 | Neat | 17:16 |
| FireFly|n900 | I've looked around at the JS source (beautified) | 17:16 |
| FireFly|n900 | It's a bit interesting | 17:17 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, awesome | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | FireFly|n900: and then there's marble | 17:17 |
| timeless_mbp | we have an unreleased fix to the name of a city in Argentina | 17:17 |
| FireFly|n900 | Hm | 17:17 |
| FireFly|n900 | timeless_mbp, lol | 17:17 |
| timeless_mbp | we also have one which i'm pretty sure won't fit | 17:18 |
| * timeless_mbp considers testing it | 17:18 | |
| * timeless_mbp bets no one tested it | 17:18 | |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, release it :P | 17:18 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i don't control the release process | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, how many packages are unreleased? | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | oh and another thing | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: probably most of them | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | why the f is israel missing from the region list | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm only looking at an amusing subset | 17:19 |
| mitsutak1 | top | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | -bash: top: command not found | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, can you check if that was ever fixed? | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | Israel being missing that is | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: hrm, got a bugs.maemo.org bug#? | 17:19 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how to use such a number | 17:20 | |
| MohammadAG | isn't bugs.maemo.org dead? | 17:20 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 17:20 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't actually want to look at bugs.maemo.org | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | bug 10950 | 17:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i just need it to try to search another db | 17:20 |
| timeless_mbp | the other db is up fwiw | 17:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Bug 10950 - Israel is missing from the list of countries in regional setting | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | <3 Awesome bar | 17:21 |
| timeless_mbp | erm, they didn't update the bug? | 17:21 |
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| MohammadAG | no, why? | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | the bug got wontfixed in september | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | oh, not sure then | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | I thought it was fixed | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | why wontfix, it's just one damn addition to a list | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | well, the internal bug that andre_ filed for it with that exact summary and referencing that url is wontfix | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > as far as i see there's are no technical obstacles with including Israel (he_IL | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > is supported by posix-locales). i guess simply nobody was interested in | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > supporting it. there are menu other unsupported regions of the world, each of | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > them taking up some space, requiring more time to build the package, and the | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > testing costs. | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > probably you can do it for yourself by mucking around with posix-locales and | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | > locale-resolver-data. | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: your goal is to end up in the Language and Region control panel? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | then shove a damn good battery to store time and date so I don't have to select UK then switch to Israel every startup | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, no, region at startup settings screen | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i have that problem too | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm in Finland | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and my region offers me US (Washington, DC) | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, language and region | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | so i suffer as much as you do :) | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | LOL finland isn't there | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the time zone list is limited to those applicable to your regional preference | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | if you prefer en-US date formats | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | then you can only have en-US time zones (in the startup wizard) | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | the time zone includes israel | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | and yes, i complained about that stupidity before we shipped | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway... | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | but my date & time are reset at mostly each startup | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | so I need to select UK, the change time zone, then fix time and date | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | also, update automatically needs a reboot | 17:26 |
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| MohammadAG | -> time zone reset again | 17:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | update automatically shouldn't need a reboot | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it certainly doesn't here | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | isn't there a way to set time and date with internet? | 17:27 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it doesn't update immediately then | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ntp isn't shipped w/ n900 | 17:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | update automatically doesn't mean "update NOW" | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | whereas on other devices they go into offline mode and then back to online mode | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | :-b | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | mine is set automatically from cellular network when I boot n900, so the startup wizard usually has correct time from that | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | well, it should :P | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: microsoft added an Update Now button in later versions of windows | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | (for date+time) | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | yes, vista | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | FIXED in Harmattan? :P | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | It varies between operators whether they send time updates only on an active gprs connection or also casually in just idle | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | is MeeGo vista the II? :P | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: what, update-now? | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i doubt it'd be there | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and i really don't want to look | 17:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | what's between vista and XP? :P | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the startup wizard is "special" | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | 2003server | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | damn nothing's worse than vista | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it's a shitload of custom widgets to hide tearing | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: it's a toolkit that wanted to be *the* platform toolkit | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | time widget is awesome | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | scrolling is nice | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but it lost a fight and settled for shipping as the startup wizard | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | set time automatically != ntp. The time is the one from GSM. Some providers send time msgs infrequently, some never, some send crippled ones | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, then what happened? | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | it's damn near impossible to get them to stop on the right one | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it lost a fight | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | generally the fight to lose is called "ui simplification" | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | what does that mean? | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and it doesn't necessarily mean that the ui will get simpler | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | just that some high level manager decided it was time for "ui simplification" | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it's like "tea time", or "basket ball break" or... | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | and when you put down your finger and think you stopped it spinning, thinking "AHA, Gotcha!", and slowly lift your finger, it scrolls one or two places past where you stopped :D | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG | so you dropped the toolkit? | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | what's it called? | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: we didn't drop it, it's in startup wizard ;-) | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | clutter :) | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | but startup wizard is closed, and I'm assuming clutter is dead? :P | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | fmradio is like this too, I can never tune it to the frequency I want :( | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, the bigger problem was that someone didn't ensure the team working on clutter wouldn't be bought by someone else | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | well, undocumented | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and intel bought the team | 17:32 |
| Shapeshifter | omg... running erminig -a from the cli with no internet connection pops up a gui dialog with the error.... why would the dev do that ._. | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK++ | 17:32 |
| TrackerDPP | I have one mobile | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | which more or less ended any chance of clutter being the central ui for maemo5 | 17:32 |
| TrackerDPP | Nokia N900 | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, indeed | 17:32 |
| TrackerDPP | i want to install NeoPwn on | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and no, clutter isn't dead yet | 17:32 |
| TrackerDPP | please help me | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | intel used it heavily in moblin | 17:33 |
| pupnik | and who used moblin? | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | intel :P | 17:33 |
| timeless_mbp | it probably more or less dies eventually as Qt squeezes out clutter in MeeGo | 17:33 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: details details :) | 17:33 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | Qt's nice | 17:33 |
| * MohammadAG waits for a rant | 17:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's more not dead yet than hildon :) | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | didn't spark it | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | Qt's awesome :P | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: heh | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | hildon's not dead | 17:34 |
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| * timeless_mbp gives MohammadAG points for spelling Qt correctly | 17:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | (our architects can't even do that) | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey | 17:34 |
| Shapeshifter | cute | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: i'd go w/ depressing | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | or Gtk | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | or QuickTime | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | depending on context | 17:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | I heard spelling Qt as "cute" or "cutey" | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, they spell it QuickTime | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 17:35 |
| * MohammadAG likes the latter | 17:35 | |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | which is unfortunate | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo in certain (all?) versions actually supports some QuickTime formats | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and we *own* Qt | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | oh well | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | </rant> | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: happy? :) | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | mp4 is almost QuickTime :-) | 17:36 |
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| Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: the correct spelling is "cute", right? | 17:36 |
| Shapeshifter | s/spelling/pronounciation/ | 17:37 |
| FireFly|n900 | I think that's the correct pronounciation | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: <uppercase Q><lowercase Tt> | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | s/Tt/t | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | grr | 17:37 |
| FireFly|n900 | Hah | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: <uppercase Q><lowercase t> | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I expected something that would say Qt sucked, but yeah, I'm happy :P | 17:37 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 17:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably Nokia bought trolls as those architecs and managers thought Qt is QuickTime | 17:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: oh, I referred to pronounciation, not spelling. | 17:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol DocScrutinizer | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: thankfully our architects don't submit .ppt files w/ embedded audio | 17:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps that's because the n900 doesn't include a sound recorder? | 17:38 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 17:38 | |
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| MohammadAG | lmfao | 17:38 |
| * ShadowJK vaguely remembers when people made shit in something called Macromedia, that installed 16bit quicktime on windows 98 | 17:38 | |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: youch | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | why was Macromedia bought by Adobe again? | 17:39 |
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| ShadowJK | after that it started installing 32bit quicktime and wins (or wing?), a ms compatibility thing that let you run 32bit apps on Win3.11. That was also rather spectacular on Win 9x :) | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | because adobe had more money? | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: :o | 17:40 |
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| ShadowJK | My favourite feature was how quicktime associated itself with jpg and all sorts of fileformats it had no clue how to display :) | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | Qt developers should use libgq-gconf. where the hell is it then | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Adobe thought QuickTime is Trolls' Qt :-P | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it is, the company's called TrollTech after all | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | +Tech-foo wo cares | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | who* | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably not even LJP anymore | 17:43 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: is it safe to remove you translations package? | 17:43 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: via the app manager. | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, just go to settings and set it back to default | 17:44 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: ok | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | errm, might make arbitrary apps go segfault as they try to pass a %s parameter to a printf that doesn't expect it. Nice clean simple attack vector | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: yeah | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: you can also just use the control panel item to switch back to Default | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just make sure the bogus parameter for the missing %s is pointing to your own exploit code | 17:47 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: i uninstalled the package, but the translations are still there?? | 17:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | trumee: err | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it should have done the right thing | 17:48 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 17:48 | |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: was called British Translations or something. I did a reboot after that. | 17:48 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to check the prerm script | 17:48 | |
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| * ShadowJK wonders of nokia has patented long-tap yet | 17:48 | |
| ShadowJK | or if anyone else has | 17:48 |
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| * timeless_mbp is going to have to kill WindowServer | 17:49 | |
| ShadowJK | (just reading about Nokia getting sued by the holder of the double-click patent) | 17:49 |
| * timeless_mbp does not look forward to doing that | 17:49 | |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok, how do i get rid of the residuals your package has left? | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, double click. How innovative | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: is the ui still mine? | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | if so, you'll want to be <su> for a bit | 17:50 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: yes | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | sudo gainroot | 17:50 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok. | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | cd /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | cp /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0/LC_MESSAGES/* . | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | reboot | 17:51 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp:oh crap!. They are still there | 17:53 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: even after a reboot | 17:54 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 17:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | you're on 1.3? | 17:54 |
| trumee | yes | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | gimme a bit | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm multitasking poorly right now | 17:54 |
| trumee | ok | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to reboot my mac and probably recover a user account | 17:54 |
| * timeless_mbp hates that | 17:54 | |
| xDaReaperx | as usual no one replies at #nitdroid =/ | 17:55 |
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| tybollt_ | It's not just you! http://tablets-dev.nokia.com looks down from here. | 17:55 |
| tybollt_ | anyone else? | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt_: if it's part of the maemo.org infra, it'd relate to the topic | 17:56 |
| ShadowJK | so.. tablets-dev and bmo down :) | 17:56 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ls -1 /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0/LC_MESSAGES |wc -l | 17:57 |
| trumee | 60 | 17:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | great | 17:57 |
| trumee | ls -1 /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES |wc -l | 17:57 |
| trumee | 63 | 17:57 |
| tybollt_ | timeless_mbp: ehr I have now idea :S | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: the system only backs up things it replaces | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | that means you have 3 things i don't recognize | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | presumably 3 third party mo's | 17:58 |
| ShadowJK | I hope it's not anything that required physical access. I'd imagine that ISP's people are terribly hungover today | 17:58 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok | 17:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can do a diff and lemme know what they are | 17:58 |
| * timeless_mbp is vaguely curious | 17:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | probably openvpn | 17:58 |
| alterego | nyurgh, maemo.org still down then l.. lame | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | next up: meego.com | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK | I got a <title> out of it :-) | 17:59 |
| * MohammadAG waits for it to die | 17:59 | |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: meego.com is mostly OSU hosted | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | OSU has a very good track record | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | although meego.com is slightly special | 17:59 |
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| tybollt_ | 'slightly' :) | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | all it takes is one contractor in the meego.com section of OSU tripping over just the right cable | 17:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | so what? they decided that Maemo is obsolete so they just disabled maemo.org | 18:00 |
| tybollt_ | enterrprise redundancy and failover anyone? | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: they being the same snow stuff | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | that has been disabling planes around the globe | 18:00 |
| trumee | 2a3 | 18:00 |
| xDaReaperx | guys i needed to ask one question about NITdroid's new kernel | 18:00 |
| trumee | > cell-modem-ui.mo | 18:00 |
| trumee | 60a62,63 | 18:00 |
| xDaReaperx | if you allow | 18:00 |
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| trumee | > vte.mo | 18:00 |
| trumee | > wget.mo | 18:00 |
| xDaReaperx | i can ask | 18:00 |
| alterego | bbl | 18:00 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: see diff above | 18:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, gainroot doesn't work on my mbp | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | hah | 18:01 |
| xDaReaperx | i know it's not the right place to ask , but no one replies at #nitdroid | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: right, those aren't nokia things | 18:01 |
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| Venemo_N900 | xDaReaperx: this channel is about Maemo, not NITdroid. I do not know or care anything about NITdroid | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | neither do I | 18:02 |
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| Venemo_N900 | xDaReaperx: the NITdroid devs have a forum. ask on that or be patient till someone answers on #nitdroid | 18:03 |
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| * timeless_xchat sighs | 18:04 | |
| trumee | timeless_xchat: your package was for 1.2 only? | 18:04 |
| timeless_xchat | filevault is such a pain | 18:04 |
| xDaReaperx_ | @Venemo_N900 okay | 18:04 |
| xDaReaperx_ | thanks | 18:04 |
| timeless_xchat | trumee: the latest version should work w/ 1.3 | 18:05 |
| timeless_xchat | afaict 1.3 wasn't an abi break | 18:05 |
| timeless_xchat | unlike 1.2 | 18:05 |
| trumee | timeless_xchat: so where is the ui picking up the old mo files? | 18:05 |
| timeless_xchat | sunday i was horribly confused by a maze of versions | 18:05 |
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| timeless_xchat | trumee, if the cp didn't work then the ui (in settings) won't work... | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ABI break in a .mo, go figure :-P | 18:06 |
| timeless_xchat | but please, lemme fix my mac | 18:06 |
| trumee | timeless_xchat: ok. | 18:06 |
| * timeless_xchat breathes a sigh of relief | 18:08 | |
| timeless_xchat | right, so, you need 60files, eh? | 18:09 |
| timeless_xchat | oh, for en_GB | 18:09 |
| trumee | timeless_xchat: yes | 18:09 |
| timeless_xchat | that's easier, since my other n900 hasn't met the en_GB system | 18:10 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders about strict ordering for prerm files | 18:18 | |
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| timeless_mbp | if a depends on b, and a has a prerm | 18:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | i presume a's prerm is called before a is removed which is before b is removed? | 18:19 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: ok, device is back to sanity | 18:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | trumee: sorry about that | 18:21 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders why that uninstall failed | 18:21 | |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: no worries. i guess you did mention it was beta | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | that really should work | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh testing atm is hard given that repository.maemo.org is down | 18:22 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: so they copy your script mode to en_GB.0 was not good? | 18:22 |
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| trumee | timeless_xchat: btw, how do you get @firefox/developer/timeless behind your nick? | 18:23 |
| timeless_xchat | i have that? | 18:24 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: the copy your script mode to en_GB.0 was not good i suppose? | 18:24 |
| timeless_xchat | it's a hostmask | 18:24 |
| trumee | timeless_xchat: is that in xchat? | 18:24 |
| timeless_xchat | no | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: no - freenode | 18:24 |
| trumee | ah, i see | 18:24 |
| timeless_xchat | it means xchat is ident'ing to freenode | 18:24 |
| timeless_xchat | and someone from realm:mozilla grouped me on freenode | 18:25 |
| * timeless_xchat kicks colloquy - stop hanging | 18:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | wait, timeless_xchat doesn't look like it's ident'd | 18:26 |
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| trumee | [16:22] --> timeless_mbp has joined this channel (~timeless@192.100.124.156). | 18:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | right, timeless_mbp is ident'd | 18:28 |
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| merlin_1991 | hey, the last time the repository was down someone said, he'll do a mirror when it's back up, did that ever happen= | 18:29 |
| merlin_1991 | s/=/? | 18:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | obviously no | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: look better? | 18:29 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: yes | 18:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, now timeless_xchat will automatically ident | 18:32 |
| xDaReaperx_ | I hate my connection | 18:32 |
| xDaReaperx_ | -_- | 18:32 |
| RST38h | Mhm. Nokia 5228 just died, on the second day of use | 18:33 |
| RST38h | Is this normal? | 18:33 |
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| jacekowski | depends | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | it's ussualy user having bad touch | 18:34 |
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| merlin_1991 | jacekowski, wasn't it you who wanted to apt-mirror extras? | 18:34 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | Jebba had a mirror, but he left, so the mirror's dead | 18:34 |
| merlin_1991 | what made you not do it? | 18:35 |
| jacekowski | i have it | 18:35 |
| timeless_xchat | hopefully in the future people won't let finns manage hosting | 18:35 |
| merlin_1991 | you have it, but? | 18:35 |
| jacekowski | just don't share it with everybody | 18:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 18:35 |
| merlin_1991 | :D | 18:36 |
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| jacekowski | why do you ask? | 18:36 |
| merlin_1991 | because I wanted to install something today :D | 18:36 |
| jacekowski | what? | 18:37 |
| timeless_xchat | heh | 18:37 |
| merlin_1991 | need any application to unzip regular zip files | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | u nzip | 18:37 |
| timeless_xchat | jacekowski: i'd like to install gettext :) | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | ./extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/u/unzip/unzip_6.0-1maemo1_armel.deb | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | it's in the repo | 18:37 |
| timeless_xchat | (actually, i'd rather host it) | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: repo is down | 18:37 |
| timeless_xchat | speedevil, is the repo alive again? | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | ./extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/g/gettext/gettext_0.17-4maemo1+0m5_armel.deb | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | i have both | 18:38 |
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| merlin_1991 | then share them :D | 18:38 |
| timeless_xchat | jacekowski : url please? i'll stick it into my own host | 18:38 |
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| * MohammadAG has gettext if you want it | 18:38 | |
| MohammadAG | that is, unless jacekowski can share it | 18:38 |
| merlin_1991 | wich would be nice ofc | 18:39 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag, you keep apt-archive-cache? | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | it's in MyDocs anyways | 18:39 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/ | 18:40 |
| * MohammadAG has /var/cache/apt/archives there | 18:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | merlin_1991: http://www.mauve.plus.com/unzip | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | binary onl | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | y | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's of use | 18:40 |
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| merlin_1991 | thanks a lot jacekowski | 18:40 |
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| MohammadAG | wow | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | ty jacekowski | 18:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what's that been with unzip fix earlier today | 18:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | oooh - nice jacekowski | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I thought we had a community repo that's just fine for such things | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | gues I'm mistaken | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | we do :) | 18:42 |
| merlin_1991 | where? :D | 18:42 |
| trumee | Is it true that N900 charges better when in Mass Storage mode? | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | #maemo-ssu, it needs fixes, don't expect support till it's released, so you're on your own | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, no | 18:43 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: make me happy then | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 18:44 |
| timeless_xchat | hrm, grumble | 18:44 |
| timeless_xchat | that isn't working | 18:44 |
| trumee | i am always worried about yanking out the cable when the device is in Mass Storage mode | 18:44 |
| timeless_xchat | my repo *already* has gettext | 18:44 |
| timeless_xchat | i guess i'm losing a priority fight w/ extras* | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 18:44 |
| trumee | so i always skip the Mass Storage/PC Suite mode | 18:44 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, welcome to our problem then | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: works just fine here | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tested it | 18:45 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: good one | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | just tap outside to charge | 18:45 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yes i do that | 18:45 |
| * MohammadAG uses PC Suite, USB networking + ssh ftw | 18:45 | |
| * timeless_xchat turns off everything except the one repo | 18:45 | |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: sometimes i had a case when it wouldn't charge if i just tap outside it | 18:45 |
| trumee | I saw a post on tmo mentioning this and was worried | 18:46 |
| timeless_xchat | hrm | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: hmm | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes I have a case where it doesn't charge when plugged to wallcharger | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be unrelated | 18:46 |
| merlin_1991 | damn it, Installation of packge unzip not possible, package not compatible :/ | 18:46 |
| trumee | wtf, Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /home/tabtalk/public_html/forums/search.php on line 1160 | 18:46 |
| trumee | tmo search failed | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahaha | 18:47 |
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| jacekowski | nokia is trying to discourage maemo users | 18:47 |
| merlin_1991 | but why on earth is the unzip package uncompatible? | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | to when they change to meego there will be no resistance | 18:47 |
| timeless_xchat | grr | 18:48 |
| * timeless_xchat hates package domains | 18:48 | |
| * MohammadAG too | 18:48 | |
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| jacekowski | merlin_1991: fremantle-1.3 | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-27 11:56:21] <zap> X-Fade: hi! how about fixing unzip till new year? :-) [2010-12-27 11:57:35] <X-Fade> zap: I tried to fix it a few times but somehow never managed to get it right. [2010-12-27 11:57:50] <zap> Fremantle Extras-testing free armelunzip 6.0-1maemo1 [2010-12-27 11:58:52] <zap> DocScrutinizer: this is unzip 6.0 | 18:49 |
| * timeless_xchat is glad for having installed rootsh earlier today | 18:49 | |
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| merlin_1991 | jacekowski, extras-testing has only fremantle | 18:49 |
| merlin_1991 | I see the package is pre 1.3 still | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | it shouldn't be | 18:50 |
| merlin_1991 | has to be, otherwise why can't I install it | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -i | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | cause HAM is retarded | 18:51 |
| timeless_xchat | jacekowski, thanks for hosting, although i didn't end up using it | 18:51 |
| timeless_xchat | merlin: if ham thinks a certain domain is supposed to own a package | 18:51 |
| timeless_xchat | it won't offer to install it from other untrusted domains | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless repill mode enabled :-P | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | red pill* | 18:52 |
| merlin_1991 | I did dl the deb and tried to install if from file managaer | 18:52 |
| merlin_1991 | does it apply in this case too? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | use dpkg -i | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | it's probably out of user/ | 18:53 |
| * timeless_xchat shrugs | 18:53 | |
| merlin_1991 | I used dpkg -i :D | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, unless you disable all other repos in HAM (wild guess) | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 18:53 |
| timeless_xchat | disabling repos doesn't always help | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it should when you try to install a local .deb | 18:54 |
| timeless_xchat | (if you've installed and removed a package from a trusted domain ...) | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, cya folks | 18:54 |
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| joppu | autobuilder down? | 18:55 |
| jacekowski | repository down | 18:55 |
| timeless_xchat | joppu: finland hosting is down | 18:55 |
| timeless_xchat | see topic | 18:55 |
| merlin_1991 | ah well dpkg -i worked and it works, wonder what fix zap was talking about | 18:55 |
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| timeless_xchat | trumee, so... what precisely did you do in your original, failed, uninstall? | 18:56 |
| * timeless_xchat wants to go bug hunting | 18:56 | |
| trumee | timeless_xchat: i uinstalled from the app-manager | 18:57 |
| timeless_xchat | ok... | 18:58 |
| timeless_xchat | how many installs of this package did you do before that? | 18:58 |
| timeless_xchat | (just one?) | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | hmm, just looking at my logs | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | i could add some ads there | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | and make like £30/mo | 18:59 |
| timeless_xchat | jacekowski, lol | 18:59 |
| trumee | timeless_xchat: yup, 2 i think. The second one was an update | 19:00 |
| timeless_xchat | ok, so the update pass is what probably hosed things | 19:00 |
| * trumee hates that TomTom vfat disk produces " attempt to access beyond end of device" under linux. But works fine in windows. | 19:00 | |
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| trumee | timeless_xchat: i guess the update, overwrote the original files backup sitting in GB.0 | 19:01 |
| timeless_xchat | yep | 19:01 |
| * timeless_xchat needs to figure out what to do there | 19:02 | |
| timeless_xchat | the problem is that there are two updates possible: | 19:02 |
| timeless_xchat | 1. nokia updates | 19:02 |
| timeless_xchat | 2. mine | 19:02 |
| timeless_xchat | for 1, the code should do "the right thing" | 19:02 |
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| * trumee Crap, TomToms filesystem is corrupted because i connected under linux. | 19:04 | |
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| yacc | trumee, you could always try mtools ;) | 19:06 |
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| timeless_xchat | trumee, i suspect i need a .preinst | 19:10 |
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| trumee | yacc, mtools? | 19:15 |
| timeless_xchat | rather, i need a much smarter preinst | 19:15 |
| timeless_xchat | or something | 19:16 |
| * timeless_xchat sighs | 19:16 | |
| timeless_xchat | .deb package scripts have too many states | 19:16 |
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| FauxFaux | The luxus package installs fine and adds stuff to /usr/lib/hildon-desktop, which, when run, does start the desktop app... but it's not in the add widget list? Halp. | 19:16 |
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| FauxFaux | Gah, it's added itself to a desktop I don't use. | 19:19 |
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| RST38h | http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4807/yakumon.8/0_447e5_2d88315d_orig.jpg | 19:21 |
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| yacc | trumee, mtools => the package that provides mdir & co cmdline tools => has been used back then for floppy access, ... | 19:26 |
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| zzz__ | Hello, I am sorry if this has become the FAQ of the day, but does anyone know when the servers will be stable again? I need to access the source code for a few packages, and it is frustrating. | 19:29 |
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| alterego | zzz__: what packages? :) | 19:32 |
| zzz__ | alterego: To be specific, dsme. | 19:32 |
| nox- | heh n900 mentioned on 27c3 saal2 :) | 19:33 |
| nox- | http://wmv.27c3.fem-net.de/saal2 | 19:33 |
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| nox- | (livestream) | 19:33 |
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| timeless_xchat | zzz__, mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/find?string=dsme ? | 19:34 |
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| timeless_xchat | mxr is up | 19:35 |
| timeless_xchat | and is fairly stable | 19:35 |
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| timeless_xchat | there are "raw file" links at the top of most pages | 19:36 |
| zzz__ | timeless_xchat: Yes, that was it. Thank you! However, it looks like I will have to download the source code file by file. | 19:36 |
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| timeless_xchat | well, mxr is a cross reference, not a source server | 19:36 |
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| timeless_xchat | but a bit of perl would work | 19:37 |
| timeless_xchat | just grab the last href from each line and add ?raw=1 | 19:37 |
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| timeless_xchat | otoh, do *not* simply spider mxr :) | 19:38 |
| zzz__ | timeless_xchat: I am not good at Perl, but I am very good with bash. Oh, I won't spider. :) I will try with bash; let's see how this goes. | 19:38 |
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| zzz__ | timeless_xchat: Thanks once again. Bye! | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wget | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 27c3 wmf. media format not supported \o/ for 'hackers' | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wmv even | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pffff | 19:54 |
| nox- | hehe... they also have h264 but mplayer hangs on those once in a while | 19:54 |
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| nox- | rtmp://berlin1.rtmp.27c3.fem-net.de/rtmp/saalX_hq | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, even ZDF and ARD meanwhile managed to get working livestreams. Couldn't bother less about some 'hackers' streaming their shit in a format made by microsoft | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's not supported on any of my linux systems | 19:57 |
| nox- | oh mplayer and vlc at least play them alright here... | 19:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 hopes those noobs are wearing 'Alt-F4' shirts | 19:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: heading out.... | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nox-: you don't expect me to try and get a rtmp:// running on maemo? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, every year same shit | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 20:01 |
| nox- | :) actually its part of a flash page http://saal1.h264.27c3.fem-net.de/ | 20:02 |
| alterego | Think I just raged out: p | 20:02 |
| alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=905439&postcount=13 | 20:02 |
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| nox- | but /me watching on desktop freebsd anyway | 20:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol DocScrutinizer, nice channel title :P | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh? | 20:03 |
| noobmonk3y | topic is maemo.org temporarily shaky, sorry for the inconvenience! | 20:03 |
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| frals | bah where is lcuk when you need him | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so what? sorry for my french. Dunno why I used 'temporarily' | 20:04 |
| noobmonk3y | lol just was a cool topic title | 20:04 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, :( | 20:04 |
| noobmonk3y | most people need him every day :) | 20:05 |
| noobmonk3y | i think he must be on santa duties lol | 20:05 |
| frals | yeah, bah, he told me to ping him when i was around but now he isnt! typical | 20:05 |
| * nox- only linked that talk here cause its about smartphone security (and mentioned n900 being used to send raw sms) | 20:05 | |
| noobmonk3y | frals, got his email? most likely he would use some instant wake the house up ringtone for his emails :P | 20:06 |
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| alterego | The IR emitter isn't disabled in china is it? | 20:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | alterego, randomly i know the answer is no! lol | 20:07 |
| pupnik | isn't the n900 situation / maemo situation basically good? there's way more software for it than for the n800 | 20:07 |
| noobmonk3y | pupnik, yup ;) | 20:07 |
| noobmonk3y | its just the comprisons | 20:07 |
| noobmonk3y | ie, it does have 500 applications for each single use | 20:08 |
| noobmonk3y | doesn't* | 20:08 |
| pupnik | and it looks to be good software too, not a million pieces of crap | 20:08 |
| pupnik | right | 20:08 |
| noobmonk3y | yup... | 20:08 |
| noobmonk3y | well, imo | 20:08 |
| noobmonk3y | or at least incrediibly well thought out in most cases | 20:08 |
| noobmonk3y | just look at fmms etc.... | 20:08 |
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| pupnik | well i could make a program to spit out 10,000 maemo 'soundboards' and 'ringtone apps' | 20:08 |
| nox- | oh and also DocScrutinizer51, they `outsourced' the video streaming stuff to a university group(?) called fem | 20:08 |
| noobmonk3y | maemo community has a great *if it can't be done* - *lets do it* atmosphere | 20:09 |
| pupnik | :) | 20:09 |
| noobmonk3y | would help if nokia designed a phone and documented it so the can't be dones, actually looked possible ;) | 20:09 |
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| pupnik | "here's 15 copyrighted pictures and sounds i found on the net. i made an app!" | 20:09 |
| noobmonk3y | lol pup! | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nox-: which is like the only thing I've seen from 27c3 webpage so far | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lusers | 20:10 |
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| nox- | this is on the congress wiki: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Documentation | 20:11 |
| nox- | and here's the schedule: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/day_2010-12-27.en.html | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, I think I don't care - just out of principle. | 20:12 |
| nox- | alright :) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the smart speakers will publish their powerpoint or whatever eventually. The noobs too silly to get a video streaming right I don't care | 20:13 |
| nox- | right, and you can watch recordings later too | 20:13 |
| nox- | (tho im not sure fem are exactly noobs, they are probably not as opensource-minded and have a waay smaller budget than ard/zdf/etc :) | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | wmv... no comment | 20:15 |
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| alterego | Anyone use dropbox? | 20:20 |
| alterego | Do we have an N900 client? | 20:20 |
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| alterego | Ah, looks like we do :) | 20:21 |
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| pupnik | see alterego | 20:23 |
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| pupnik | i had to look over the fence and check android out, but searching for apps that don't suck is rage-inducing | 20:24 |
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| alterego | pupnik: I can only imagine. | 20:24 |
| alterego | I every now-and-then look through the entire app list in extras :) | 20:25 |
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| FIQ | i did it for -devel one time | 20:26 |
| FIQ | that was... not a great idea | 20:26 |
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| FIQ | especially not as i installed everything that seemed interesting | 20:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:26 |
| alterego | Hahah | 20:26 |
| FIQ | ended up with >100 applications that i don't use, and i'm lucky that the device survived at all | 20:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | Well, don't install everything next time | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Especially given the wealth of app reviews and threads on tmo | 20:32 |
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| alterego | :( | 20:36 |
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| pupnik | looks like mp4box can concatenate .mp4 files from command-line | 20:39 |
| gnu2this | i'm trying to d/l and install a program called 'guitar chords' on my n900 but i don't see it. can anyone help me? | 20:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | gnu2this: did you read the topic? | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | especially the first part? | 20:46 |
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| gnu2this | timeless_mbp: how long has it been like this? | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | 8 hours? | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | since snow attacked the hosting provider | 20:57 |
| timeless_mbp | http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Lumi%2Bhaittaa%2Bjunaliikennett%25C3%25A4%2Bmy%25C3%25B6s%2BVRn%2Blipunmyynti%2Bkaatunut%2B/1135262634413%3Fref%3Dtf_iHSuutisboksi_p1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhz-K6FO3b1JGVya5Kvl7yW2_CV-A | 20:57 |
| gnu2this | that's about how long i've been trying to get this app. thanx | 20:58 |
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| Ro9u3oR | Can someone assist me in connecting my BT keyboard to my n900 | 21:31 |
| pupnik | maybe | 21:32 |
| pupnik | can you help me bacth-concatenate downloaded youtube .mp4s without re-encoding? | 21:33 |
| Ro9u3oR | Maybe if i knew what i were doing | 21:34 |
| pupnik | ahh i see this is the lawyer-crippled ldd /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52 | 21:36 |
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| Ro9u3oR | is there a certain app i need in order to connect bt keyboard | 21:39 |
| pupnik | what keyboard do you have Ro9u3oR | 21:39 |
| Ro9u3oR | think outside stowaway BT | 21:40 |
| pupnik | i have that one too - worked with the n810 | 21:40 |
| Ro9u3oR | as well as the n800 | 21:40 |
| pupnik | did you try this? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=n900+%20keyboard+stowaway | 21:41 |
| Ro9u3oR | ive had it working but for some reason it wont connect | 21:41 |
| pupnik | ah | 21:41 |
| pupnik | so much information to tease out of you | 21:41 |
| pupnik | plonk! :) | 21:41 |
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| MohammadAG | new HP netbook in the house | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | turned it on | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | after an hour +- of setting up crap, guess what | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | BSOD xD | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Well... | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | didn't they tell you to run-in windows carefully? | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | god windows 7 is slow on a netbook | 21:47 |
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| nox- | phonon rant in saal2... | 21:47 |
| nox- | (and linux multimedia stuff) | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 21:47 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lol MohammadAG :D | 21:48 |
| nox- | yeah and i suppose you can watch the recording later too :) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, s\on a netbook\\ | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, give them credit, they got it right for once :P | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | Win 7 isn't that bad | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | kinetic scrolling is weird on windows | 21:51 |
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| RST38h | windows has kinetic scrolling? | 21:51 |
| RST38h | hm | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, the touch pack does | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | it's stock on all devices with a touchscreen | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | multitouch usually | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | the windows move up/down when you reach the end of the page, a nice touch | 21:52 |
| chx | Microsoft gets Windows right every 00 year | 21:52 |
| chx | Windows 2000 was actually quite good, no wonder they rushed to phase it out | 21:52 |
| pupnik | only against their will | 21:52 |
| chx | Windows 7 is again not too bad | 21:52 |
| chx | it's just the shit between.... | 21:52 |
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| chx | I remember Balmer actually trashing Windows 2000 when XP launched which clearly told anyone who listened that 2000 rocked and XP sucked and MS was scared they launched a Windows ppl wont upgrade... | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Vista/Win7 is the best thing to happen to Linux for the last 10 years | 21:54 |
| chx | Vista is, but not Win7 | 21:54 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: look, Balmer talks sense and is always right, you just need to invert everything he says. Easy. | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Win7 is still pretty bad at performance | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | chx: sorry, unrelated | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, it's comparable to XP actually | 21:55 |
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| MohammadAG | well, imo at least | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Not for me | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | prolly cause I tried XP and 7 on different PCs then | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Ok, it is comparable (but still hving hiccups) when you disable Aero and all the other flickety crap | 21:56 |
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| RST38h | GoogleTV kinda dead. Hm. | 21:57 |
| * MohammadAG starts internet explorer and downloads some other browser | 21:57 | |
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| MohammadAG | prolly the only reason I use that | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | Microsoft really needs to add something wget-y so I don't have to touch IE | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | ha | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | it's a capacitive screen | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | it keeps clicking instead of scrolling\ | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ gdm | 21:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer gasps | 21:59 | |
| MohammadAG | wtf is corel | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | yeah sure, install without asking me if I need you | 22:00 |
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| pupnik | the joys (irony) of MS | 22:01 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 22:11 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone tried using Spotify inside Preenv? | 22:11 |
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| lmoura | is anyone having problems accessing repository.maemo.org? | 22:15 |
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| kerio | lmoura: worksforme | 22:16 |
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| lmoura | getting timeout for almost 4 hours for repository, bugzilla and the website | 22:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | lmoura: did you read the topic? | 22:25 |
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| lmoura | timeless_mbp, oops. thanks | 22:25 |
| timeless_mbp | An error occurred while processing your request. | 22:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Reference #97.b2a4b8c1.1293481561.606d150 | 22:26 |
| madduck | next to the signal intensity, do 2G, 3G and E mean GSM, 3G and EDGE respectively? | 22:26 |
| timeless_mbp | kerio: try http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libv/libvorbis/ | 22:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | BACON!!!! | 22:33 |
| lcuk | mmm bacon | 22:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: BTW, DrWho ruled. | 22:34 |
| lcuk | RST38h, yes, it did! | 22:34 |
| lcuk | really great story. | 22:34 |
| RST38h | The story was mainly (C)Charles Dickens | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Its execution ruled though | 22:35 |
| lcuk | yes :) | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Are they planning to continue the series in 2011? =) | 22:36 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Yes, split in two halves. | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Trailer on TouTube. "I wear a stetson now. Stetsons are cool." | 22:39 |
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| Jaffa | DW was great, but the cheating with the timeline was perhaps a bit too similar to _The Big Bang_. Still cool tho' | 22:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I missed the sharks in Dickens' version ;-) | 22:40 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk, did frals get hold of you he was hunting you out earlier | 23:20 |
| lcuk | yeah noobmonk3y thanks | 23:21 |
| lcuk | i was *shock* offline | 23:21 |
| * lcuk was hacking | 23:21 | |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 23:21 |
| noobmonk3y | hacking bacon? | 23:21 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo btw | 23:21 |
| noobmonk3y | out of my 3 cmas pressies i got a genius one! | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | xmas* | 23:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | i have a proper butchers apron :) :) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | nice | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | is that genius or a Guinness? :P | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | genius :P lol | 23:22 |
| lcuk | perhaps mrs noobmonk3y is trying to tell you she wants a sausage. | 23:23 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, perhaps..... | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG | besides alterego's mohammedia suggestion, any suggestions for the Qt Mediaplayer name :P | 23:25 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: no name required. just replace the "Media player" shortcut in the task launcher | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, and copyright? | 23:26 |
| alterego | Or do what he did with mine, and just replace the whole package. | 23:26 |
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| MohammadAG | hey, blame creator not me! :P | 23:26 |
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| alterego | No, that's what you get when you name your project name the same as media players package name :P | 23:27 |
| noobmonk3y | moh: Mo'Media | 23:28 |
| alterego | Mo'Fo'Mediaplayer | 23:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | or that | 23:28 |
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| MohammadAG | lmfao | 23:28 |
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| alterego | Grr, | 23:31 |
| alterego | Doesn't ld use ld.so.conf to search for libraries? | 23:31 |
| kasansweat | enjoying the new N900 -- but is there really no easy(er) way to do SSH file transfers than to set up sshfs? Seems like overkill | 23:31 |
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| alterego | I'm getting linking errors | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | kasansweat, scp? | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG | no other suggestions for the mediaplayer's name? :P | 23:33 |
| kasansweat | i mean, besides using the command line -- like an easy way to transfer music et al on a regular basis through a file manager, w/out bluetooth, etc. | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | Maemo 5 Stock Media Player rewrite in Qt | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | Copyright (C) 2010 Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh | 23:33 |
| npm | when is maemo.org going to be back up (guess i shouldn't have included images from there in my doc http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/wiki/CitizenJournalismWithYoutubeDirectForMeego ) | 23:33 |
| npm | rather wiki.maemo.org | 23:34 |
| kasansweat | I feel like I might be missing something | 23:34 |
| pupnik | very very very nice project npm | 23:34 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: "Media Player" is not a copyrightable term. | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, so should I just leave it as Media Player? | 23:34 |
| kasansweat | I'm sure I could cough up a bash script or something, but I'm just surprised there's nothing like that for the N900, like there is in, say, Ubuntu Nautilus | 23:35 |
| kasansweat | or there is and I'm totally missing it. | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | nautilus would be awesome tbh | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | I think the N900FTP app supports sftp | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | not sure though | 23:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: If you begin the name with cute, cutey, QT, queet - I will have to kill you. | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | what about Qt? :P | 23:37 |
| kasansweat | hahaha, wow, I just put that together -- the cute=qt thing. | 23:38 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 23:39 |
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| alterego | Now to package columbus-plugins-core | 23:40 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: so make the "Media Player" shortcut point to your app and not the stock one. | 23:40 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo, that's not the problem here | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I'm pondering what I should name the project, what I should put in copyright | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, the browser is called Web on the N900, but the project is microB | 23:41 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: "MohamMedia by MohammadAG&friends" | 23:41 |
| * MohammadAG surrenders | 23:41 | |
| MohammadAG | Mohammedia it is | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | damn you alterego ! :P | 23:41 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: or if you like MicroB, name it "MicroC" or "MicroA" | 23:41 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: I was just joking with MohamMedia :P | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | Mohammedia Flash Player | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, got carried away :P | 23:42 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: anyway, it sounds a bit egoistic, but you deserve it | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | it is, that's why I don't want to use it lol | 23:43 |
| Venemo | anyway, good night guys. I have to go to sleep now. :) | 23:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: What are the distinguishing features of this media player? | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, seriously, you missed out on a project we started a month ago? :P | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | It's a FOSS rewrite of the stock mediaplayer | 23:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suggest FOSSROTSMP | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the UI is almost complee | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | complete* | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | I should blog about this | 23:48 |
| kasansweat | "MoMedia" ain't bad, actually | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | but, now playing is the same as the current one, but in portrait mode: http://i54.tinypic.com/2jg8853.jpg | 23:48 |
| pupnik | npm that is a very informative link, thank you | 23:48 |
| pupnik | i hope it gets widely read | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG | I just finished the video UI http://i54.tinypic.com/2eefv49.jpg | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | the songs UI with a custom list http://i53.tinypic.com/axe0x2.jpg | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | internet radio UI http://i51.tinypic.com/2rzw51g.jpg | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | and main UI in portrait mode http://tinypic.com/m/dr3sdl/3 | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Great Open Audio, Television, Source Edition. Known by the acronym - GOATSE. | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, ^ | 23:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | neat! | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | LMFAO | 23:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does it do the tracker thing, or what? | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Or files | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | why not both? It's FOSS | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | for 1.0, we're getting tracker in | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG | then we're adding in features that bothered everyone | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | (well, the lack of them) | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | like folder based playback, portrait mode [done], share via BT [done] umm | 23:52 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Will it still support AVRCP? | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | AVRCP is? | 23:53 |
| RST38h | playback controls over bt | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, and patches are welcome, the gitorious page is alive, with everyone contributing a nice part to it | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie's doing mafw integration | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | umm, that's handled by MAFW afaik | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | so yes, it should | 23:54 |
| RST38h | it is no | 23:54 |
| RST38h | t | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | sure about that? | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | there haven't been apps that used mafw a lot | 23:54 |
| toresbe | Hey, anyone happen to have experience with smscon? | 23:55 |
| RST38h | At least, both MediaPlayer and the MediaPlayer applet implement it individually | 23:55 |
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| MohammadAG | toresbe, it raped my bill | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, care to test it? | 23:55 |
| toresbe | haha - oh? | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer | 23:55 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: yea, why not, got a .deb? | 23:55 |
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| RST38h | thanks | 23:55 |
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| MohammadAG | toresbe, no seriously, I was testing it, and it sent out like 50 SMSs | 23:56 |
| toresbe | apt raped mine. Whilst abroad, the damn thing started apt-get update. | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, cause it's still WIP :P | 23:56 |
| RST38h | executable is fine =) | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | apt-worker, haha | 23:56 |
| * MohammadAG replaced that | 23:56 | |
| toresbe | MohammadAG: Is there an ability of somehow disabling the UIs notification of SMS received? | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | with echo "Fuck off" | 23:56 |
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| MohammadAG | works quite well | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | toresbe, not that I know of, but it should be easy to patch it with nicolai's source code | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: neat | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | you could point that out to the dev | 23:57 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders what features most annoy him about the media player. | 23:57 | |
| toresbe | To me it's the lack of TPOS support. | 23:57 |
| toresbe | Few things more annoying than having Disc 1 and 2 of a CD merged. | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | to me, it's crap and closed source :P | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Youtube integration would be nice. | 23:58 |
| lcuk | feature creep :P | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | well, not crap, just nothing that a rival company would copy | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | And I'd like configurable behaviour on headset-click | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | double-click - next track, for example. | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | triple-click - spawn a bash shell, and input the following decoded morse code to it. | 23:59 |
| toresbe | hahaha | 23:59 |
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