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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: thanks, was searching for this, then thought I should check your link first | 00:02 |
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| MohammadAG | hey _nicolai_ :) | 00:03 |
| nox- | hehe | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: nope, the adapter you linked is a phone by itself | 00:03 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, a real must-have right? :) | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: indeed | 00:04 |
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| _nicolai_ | MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer? | 00:05 |
| trumee | anybody using Sygic maps? Was wondering what is the difference between Ovi store version and Sygic shop version. | 00:05 |
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| trumee | I want to buy the UK maps, but Sygic online shop doesnt provide them. Only ovi store does. | 00:07 |
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| MohammadAG | _nicolai_, check PM/query | 00:07 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: sygic is crap | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | trumee: and there is open source navigation on the way | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | trumee: as in everything except voice synthesis is there | 00:08 |
| trumee | jacekowski: i need a software which doesnt need to be connected to 3g all the time | 00:08 |
| trumee | jacekowski: Sygic is pretty cheap atm, with a christmas sale | 00:08 |
| trumee | jacekowski: but what opensource navigation are you referring to? | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | let me just find it | 00:09 |
| alterego | trumee: what kind of navigation do you require? | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | ffs, gitorious is down | 00:10 |
| trumee | alterego: Turn by turn navigation, something which replace my TomTom which died today. | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | trumee: it's offline | 00:11 |
| alterego | Right | 00:11 |
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| jacekowski | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Marble/MaemoOfflineRouting | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | trumee: just voice is missing | 00:11 |
| javispedro | osm autorouting? | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | trumee: but that will be there some time soon probably as it's easy part | 00:11 |
| javispedro | ymmv | 00:11 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: interesting, i have used marble for geotagging in digikam | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not THAT easy | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | i looked at it | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | you can either use festival | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | and do full synthesis | 00:14 |
| trumee | jacekowski: interesting. How good are OSM maps compared to TeleAtlas or Navteq? | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | trumee: better | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you either go TTS or natural samples | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | and natural samples can be stolen from tomtom | 00:15 |
| * alterego sighs | 00:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not really | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | well, support for tomtom samples can be added | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's more to natural samples than just the mere audio | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | stiching it together | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | good natural samples are really really hard to implement and also to record | 00:16 |
| alterego | will, this, debug .. | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | well, there are already ready samples | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | that can be stolen from tomtom | 00:16 |
| alterego | That and regional samples are easier for a driver to understand without thinking about it :) | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you cant stitch together arbitrary samples. It sounds *awful* | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | tomtom samples are not arbitary | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | they are prepared for it | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | you have 60 commands | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly. I *did* that for Siemens navi | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | turn left/right/hard left/5th exit on rondabout | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actualy knpow what I'm talking about | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually know what I'm talking about | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | well, creating samples is not an issue at the moment | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | as compatibility with tomtom samples would be nice thing | 00:18 |
| alterego | Now, hope, this, segfaults | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | as it's just like 60 ogg files | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | direction generating code in marble looks like it's generating directions that are almost compatible | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | even stealing samples you might find yourself with like 7 "100" and 9 "left" | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you got no clue which of those use when | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | routing is already there | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | and i'm amazed how simple it is | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | not to mention the inter lexem pauses that are hardcoded and not part of the samples | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | phonem /word / whatever | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | tomtom samples contain whole sentences | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | so you just play one ready sample | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's quite limiting the number of possible guiding instructions | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | besides, these are just details | 00:21 |
| louis__ | I've bought a used Nokia N900. After typing my PIN code it says "Pin code accepted" and then the screen turns black. I can boot the phone (no SMS/Call) fine if I skip the PIN Code. Do I need to reset the settings or why can't I log in after typing pin code? | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's good thing | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | louis__, never heard of it doing that | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: because then if i have limited amount of samples i'm not going to be attacked by some unexpected stuff | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | louis__: weak worn out battery I guess | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | but it will be just 2-3 words simple instructions | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | when GSM starts sending, it gets a brownout | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | If it's used, I'd flash it anyway | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | see if it improves | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | well, in used phone everything can be messed up | 00:23 |
| louis__ | The screen is black, but the back light is still on. | 00:23 |
| trumee | ok, my original question got lost in the discusson. What is the difference between Sygic (Ovi store) and Sygic (Online shop) versions? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: the navi I was working for had arbitrary distance, like "inn 190 meters, turn right" | 00:23 |
| ptl | na'vi? | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | yeah same thing | 00:24 |
| louis__ | And I've used it for hours without SIM card. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | louis__: ouch | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | tomtom has two distances | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | that depend on speed | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | i think it's above 50mph it's 2 miles and then 500 yards | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | and at less than 50 it's something like 1.5mile | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | I've seen reports that sygic is unable to say "yards" and just stays silent, but amusingly I had the english voice the other day and it said metres just fine :-) | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what do you do for double manoevers? like "in 100 meters turn right - then after 30 meters turn right" | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | well, then it stiches them | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | with some delay | 00:25 |
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| louis__ | I'll charge it over night and if that doesn't help. I'll reset the settings. | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you'll be lost withthat TomTom in German cities | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | louis__: not reset | 00:26 |
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| apt | Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i never got lost in london with it | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nobody ever complained | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | louis__: flash | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | louis__: there is a difference | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 00:27 |
| apt | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:27 |
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| louis__ | The phone has a "reset" feature but I can try to reflash it tomorrow. Thanks and good night ;) | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | reset isn't a reset | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I guess you noticed it by now? So I'll tell her to stfu | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | it's just reseting user setting | 00:28 |
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| ShadowJK | it does almost nothing :) | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | but a lot of other stuff still can be messed up | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | tell her? | 00:28 |
| louis__ | jacekowski: What is it when? | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: wut? | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-28 23:26:24] <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | why did she tell me that? | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | because I told her to tell you :-D | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | oh | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot is 'dea'. She's her sister | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dead* | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | why is she dead? | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | What happened? | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the don't play nice in same room :-P | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | (what happened) dunno. Maybe somebody made infobot act up and so she got kickbanned by #freenode or sth | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt is well, infobot is dead though thinks she's joined to all chan she ought to be. Also TimRiker not been seen online since ~24h | 00:32 |
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| crashanddie | yeah well, kinda expected this time of year | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (maybe he got kickbanned as well? X-D ) | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | though, apt shouldn't be +v | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | why not? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | never got the root rationale for your +v'ing her anyway | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | louis__: it's just deleting settings | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | louis__: that's all | 00:34 |
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| jacekowski | louis__: flash is only real factory reset | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | dunno | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | just looks nice to have her there :) | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's convenient as it sorts her on top of userlist | 00:35 |
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| louis__ | jacekowski: Okey. Thanks for info. | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | taiwanese make nice photoblogs | 00:40 |
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| FauxFaux | anime | 00:47 |
| FauxFaux | FUUUU | 00:48 |
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| trumee | i am installing sygic from Ovi store. Can i get hold of the deb before it is deleted? | 00:55 |
| trumee | on the device. | 00:55 |
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| pupnik | trumee: ls /var/cache/apt/archives perhaps | 01:01 |
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| MohammadAG | /var/tmp | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | removed directly after installation | 01:04 |
| pupnik | aha | 01:05 |
| * alterego contemplates skipping fixing mapping in Columbus and just implementing what he's got planned :/ | 01:06 | |
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| gazu | need some help | 01:12 |
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| alterego | gazu: just ask, don't ask to ask. | 01:13 |
| gazu | apt-get install nokia-binaries,working only offside ofscratchbox | 01:13 |
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| alterego | don't you mean: fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries? | 01:13 |
| gazu | I was in the middle | 01:14 |
| gazu | yea that was i did | 01:14 |
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| gazu | I get access to that binaries only inside my box,but not in scratchbox | 01:15 |
| gazu | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps | 01:16 |
| gazu | Reading package lists... Done | 01:16 |
| gazu | Building dependency tree... Done | 01:16 |
| gazu | E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries | 01:16 |
| OEXPL | how can I create an interactive startscript(programm reads from stdin) for /etc/event.d? | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | gazu, why did you add the line you got (with the token) to your PC's /etc/apt/sources.list file? | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | remove it outside scratchbox, add it inside scratchbox | 01:17 |
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| gazu | didnt get it | 01:18 |
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| gazu | one more time | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | open a terminal window | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | remove the line with nokia-binaries | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | then CTRL+O CTRL+X to exit nano | 01:19 |
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| MohammadAG | now /scratchbox/login | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | and add the line | 01:19 |
| gazu | ahhh | 01:19 |
| gazu | thanks | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | scratchbox is a chroot | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | yw | 01:20 |
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| gazu | I'm getting this in the middle of the binaries's install | 01:57 |
| gazu | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot-sysv/libfakeroot.so.0 | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skipping fixing mapping and just starting planning implementing... My pidgin is too old for that | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | err pidging | 02:29 |
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| nox- | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/breaking-gsm-with-a-15-phone-plus-smarts/ | 02:41 |
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| alterego | nox-: crazy ... | 02:42 |
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| nox- | yeah but i guess it was only a question of time... | 02:44 |
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| BCMM | nox-: it looks as if that could basically get fixed by network operators without deviating from GSM or breaking anything | 03:06 |
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| BCMM | i mean, the problems exploited by that specific hack | 03:06 |
| nox- | yeah, but there also is the problem of security holes in phones's (etc) baseband processors | 03:08 |
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| ds3 | security for what? | 03:08 |
| nox- | `attacks' over the `air' | 03:08 |
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| ds3 | attacks to get free access to the GSM network or attacks to see what is being sent and received? | 03:09 |
| nox- | the latter | 03:09 |
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| nox- | and to get at user's data on smartphones etc | 03:09 |
| ds3 | that should be a non issue | 03:10 |
| ds3 | this is a broadcast medium. secure your device. stop relying on link layer security | 03:10 |
| nox- | well some ppl have ssh/vpn keys on there or similar stuff | 03:11 |
| ds3 | it is the same stupid reasoning that people are arguing on using stuff like VPNs when the right thing to do is to secure their APPS and emachines | 03:11 |
| nox- | yeah but the baseband code a user rarely can fix | 03:11 |
| ds3 | and? | 03:11 |
| ds3 | why are the ssh/vpn keys not encrypted locally? | 03:11 |
| ds3 | not properly handling encryption is not excuse | 03:11 |
| nox- | well the problem is a bit like many non-techie windows users being unable to keep the worms out, only here the `attack' comes over the air | 03:13 |
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| nox- | so you could even do less about it | 03:14 |
| ds3 | my answer for that is simple. unsecured machines are disconnected upon detection for the first infraction. banned forever on the second infraction. | 03:14 |
| ds3 | everything sent outside of your machine is of suspect unless otherwise authenticated | 03:15 |
| nox- | as i said the baseband code a user rarely can fix himself | 03:15 |
| ds3 | secure the rest of the machine against that | 03:16 |
| ds3 | anyways | 03:17 |
| nox- | on some phones baseband and app cpu even share ram... | 03:18 |
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| nox- | i mean use the same ram | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | For the above attack - simply random-filling the packets NUL areas would break the rainbow tables. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Or renegotiating keys between uses | 03:19 |
| nox- | true | 03:19 |
| nox- | the other attack was using a `rogue' base station i.e. something like a mitm | 03:20 |
| nox- | and that bad guy then causes buffer overflows etc pp | 03:21 |
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| nox- | bbl | 03:23 |
| pupnik | hm | 03:26 |
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| * alterego contemplates an about dialog | 03:28 | |
| nox- | bye pupnik | 03:29 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, QHEAboutDialog? :) | 03:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 03:34 |
| timeless_mbp | someone want to try www.nokia.co.in? | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | what's .in again? | 03:36 |
| timeless_mbp | india | 03:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a major market | 03:36 |
| ds3 | how many trojans have you installed on there? ;) | 03:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ds3: did you try loading it? | 03:36 |
| ds3 | I don't load trojan sites ;) | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | actually, trjoan sites don't load | 03:37 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it doesn't load | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | ds3: ok, visit www.nokiausa.com, at the bottom, click international sites | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | then click india | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: oh, that's an improvement | 03:37 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: no, Columbus, somewhere to stick my "Donate!" button? :D | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | try www.nokia.at ? | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | or www.nokia.be ? | 03:38 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, there's a donate button in QHEAboutDialog :P | 03:39 |
| ds3 | it is dead. | 03:40 |
| alterego | I have my own dialogs thanks :P | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, http://wiki.maemo.org/images/e/ef/HeAboutDialog.png | 03:41 |
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| MohammadAG | that should be rewritten in Qt tbh, instead of a Qt-gtk wrapper | 03:41 |
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| MohammadAG | Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin signed an order yesterday calling for the federal government to switch to Linux from proprietary operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, starting in 2Q 2012. | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | russia ftw | 03:43 |
| alterego | Yes, I've seen it before. | 03:43 |
| alterego | I'm still not interested :P | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | russia or the dialog? | 03:43 |
| alterego | Either tbh :D | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 03:44 |
| ds3 | whoa... the NOK servers are foobared | 03:45 |
| ds3 | finally timed out got an error page back from their server | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, who the hell designs 404s for Nokia? | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | It says Oops, lost? Never get lost again with Ovi Maps | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG | how the fuck are those related | 03:48 |
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| LinuxCode | he ordered.... | 03:49 |
| LinuxCode | how can that be ftw | 03:49 |
| LinuxCode | Id like departments to go, we need to save money, be more secure, more efficient....so lets use linux | 03:49 |
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| ds3 | didn't you know, Ovi Maps is also a indexing tools for webpages? ;) | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG | only in India | 03:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: isn't that cute? | 03:52 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, in case you're curious, i called nokia usa and reported them | 03:53 |
| timeless_mbp | they claimed i should check in an hour | 03:53 |
| timeless_mbp | please do check in an hour | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG | and if it's not working, 911? | 03:53 |
| jacekowski | what have you done? | 03:53 |
| timeless_mbp | call nokia usa and complain? | 03:53 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, 1-800 number? | 03:54 |
| timeless_mbp | (use skype, it's toll free) | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | exactly what I was thinking :P | 03:54 |
| timeless_mbp | +18886654228 | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | though I'll probably be asleep, it's 4 AM atm :P | 03:54 |
| jacekowski | i could call | 03:55 |
| jacekowski | but i don't care | 03:55 |
| timeless_mbp | you want english, {something}, ovi services, | 03:55 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 03:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it's generally the last choice | 03:55 |
| timeless_mbp | we called 40 mins ago | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it's toll free | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | how couldn't you care | 03:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but it probably took 15mins for us to get through the queue | 03:56 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: btw, which site gave you the stupid 404? | 03:56 |
| timeless_mbp | (a bunch of them now just don't load anything) | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | nokia.co.in | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | redirected me to http://www.nokia.co.in/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/ | 03:56 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 03:56 |
| * alterego is now adding waypoint support. | 03:57 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, isn't it late in the UK? :P | 03:57 |
| alterego | Almost 2am yeah | 03:57 |
| alterego | Is there something wrong with that? :P | 03:59 |
| * MohammadAG executes date in XChat | 03:59 | |
| MohammadAG | Wed Dec 29 03:59:43 IST 2010 | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, not really, no ^ | 03:59 |
| alterego | :) | 04:00 |
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| alterego | I just want to get v1 done before my gf comes back from Paris ^.^ | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | when's she coming back? | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | if(soon) | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | don't sleep; | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Not sleeping doesn't improve productivity | 04:03 |
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| MohammadAG | sleep wastes time :P | 04:03 |
| MohammadAG | and for some reason, I progress a lot at night | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to fix my cycle. | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I got up at 3pm today | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | So - nigth all! | 04:04 |
| alterego | g'night | 04:09 |
| alterego | She comes back in a week. | 04:09 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego->sleep(); :P | 04:10 |
| alterego | Neah, I stayed up all night last night getting her sorted and off to the airport. | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 04:11 |
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| * alterego implements waypoint averaging | 04:31 | |
| alterego | Think I may go to bed after this. | 04:31 |
| alterego | Or eat something, haven't decided yet. | 04:31 |
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| * SpeedEvil is eating something in bed. | 04:35 | |
| * SpeedEvil wishes the n900 GPS was a bit rawer | 04:35 | |
| janemba | hello | 04:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/qyfArk3qG28OuGRzrA41 | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | night SpeedEvil | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I woke up again, and am now going to sleep | 04:36 |
| zutesmog | howdy, just took delivery of my N900, so just starting out on my n900 adventure. (Been lurking here on and off for nearly a year). | 04:36 |
| alterego | neat | 04:37 |
| zutesmog | I have a strong development background c, python mainly. Been doing paid development on appengine for the last few years | 04:37 |
| zutesmog | am ex Sun. | 04:38 |
| alterego | Working for Cisco no then? ^.^ | 04:38 |
| zutesmog | but been running linux based systems (servers, apache stacks etrc...) for the last 8-10 years | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, it works :D | 04:39 |
| zutesmog | been independant contracting/consulting for the last 10 years. | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | had to transform the whole view, not the image | 04:39 |
| zutesmog | Hope to contribute something here, once I get my head around my new toy | 04:39 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: show us a pic then :) | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | sec :D | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG | QTransform t; | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG | t = t.rotate(-25, Qt::YAxis); | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG | ui->view->setTransform(t); | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG | twas that easy | 04:40 |
| * MohammadAG feels pathetic :P | 04:40 | |
| alterego | Believe me, I've spent more time getting pissed off with trig recently whilst working on Columbus | 04:41 |
| alterego | It's annoying because it's all so basic. | 04:41 |
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| alterego | brb | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | spherical trig is fun! | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it's really trig on a WGS84 elipsoid | 04:42 |
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| alterego | Heh | 04:42 |
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| merlin1991 | wait a min SpeedEvil didn't you say gn like 45 mins ago? :D | 04:42 |
| alterego | I'm not doing anything that clever yet. | 04:42 |
| timeless_mbp | :o, .in is back up :) | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm thinking of dumping layouts tbh | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin: I'm failing sleep | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | for the nowplayingwindow | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | they're making the image a bit small | 04:43 |
| alterego | M'hmm | 04:43 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, http://i51.tinypic.com/e8la44.jpg | 04:45 |
| MohammadAG | there's wasted screen estate on either side | 04:45 |
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| alterego | You need to add a gradient | 04:48 |
| alterego | So the reflection fades out | 04:48 |
| alterego | I think you should make it smaller too, so there's a margin around the image. | 04:48 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, smaller and wider | 04:49 |
| ShadowJK | it looks like it's distorted from a rectangle into something not a rectangle, and mirroring added to where there previously had been the full rectangle | 04:49 |
| ShadowJK | is that intentional? | 04:49 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, this is the full effect http://i56.tinypic.com/34zwrww.jpg | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | it's a bit stretched, should've picked a better album art, but it was the one that was there :P | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | So who will make app to pre-distort cover art so that it shows up "right"? :) | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG | the image's from ryhtmbox's cache | 04:51 |
| alterego | ShadowJK: not really neccessary, how quickly can you change album? :) | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG | it makes images 200x200 | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG | on the N900 album art is stored as 600x600 | 04:52 |
| * MohammadAG copies bigger image | 04:52 | |
| ShadowJK | You could have the rectangular image unmodified, but simulate slowly waving water underneath :P | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, better album. The one we used isn't compatible to our eye-candy :-S | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/candy/powder/ | 04:53 |
| apt | DocScrutinizer meant: meh, better album. The one we used isn't compatible to our eye-powder :-S | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, impact on battery? | 04:54 |
| MohammadAG | s/apt/infobot/ :( | 04:54 |
| ShadowJK | I hope it wouldn't use too much power on sgx, you'd obviously have to stop it whenever the UI does not have focus, or the screen is off | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | water - sloshing according to accel | 04:55 |
| ShadowJK | cool idea :) | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | and reflecting the album art live in the rippled surface | 04:55 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 04:55 |
| MohammadAG | could make that like a fullscreen mode | 04:55 |
| MohammadAG | or performance mode | 04:56 |
| MohammadAG | with gstreamer equalizer slide-able from the side? | 04:56 |
| ShadowJK | You could like project outward waves from a line source or a point source on the surface, and vary the amplitude according to accel? | 04:56 |
| MohammadAG | s/equalizer/visualizer/ | 04:56 |
| apt | MohammadAG meant: with gstreamer visualizer slide-able from the side? | 04:56 |
| MohammadAG | I could, but I need to learn about animation :P | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck, will it also *play music*?? | 04:57 |
| ShadowJK | No, of course not | 04:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it does already | 04:58 |
| ShadowJK | But you could have mplayer $(find . -name \*.mp3) running in the background | 04:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but it doesn't let you pick the song :P | 04:58 |
| MohammadAG | haven't you noticed all screenshots have the same song? :P | 04:58 |
| MohammadAG | cause I haven't changed it in a while | 04:58 |
| ShadowJK | About 10 years ago I accidentally discovered that xmms in the background and 'xstrange' in the foreground provided a visualization of the music that correlated more often with the music than things that genuinely tried to look at the music :-) | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I guess it has a cute algorithm to shuffle segments of the song and rearragne them in a highly interesting manner | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | then dub over some rap generated by espeak | 05:00 |
| MohammadAG | yes, it's very Qt | 05:00 |
| ShadowJK | That's the most annoying feature of hte original media player. Sometimes it plays the first song from every album it finds, then the second song of every album, etc :P | 05:00 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd actually prefer if you'd take pride in optimizing the performance and footprint and usability of this app, rather than eyecandy that obviously isn't exactly appreciated by quite a number of potential users. But yeah, I know, "it's freeeeeeeeeeeeee!" | 05:08 |
| MohammadAG | did you actually test it to say it doesn't perform well? | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I say it uses more ram that it should | 05:09 |
| MohammadAG | fix Qt then | 05:09 |
| MohammadAG | 6MBs is a lot :S | 05:10 |
| MohammadAG | well, 8 | 05:10 |
| comawhite | Is there an app for using your voice to call someone for example? | 05:10 |
| comawhite | or to execute apps by voice | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not really | 05:10 |
| MohammadAG | 6958 6132 root S 24224 8.1 0.0 ./mediaplayer.bc5c5b5a10377a360354ff2ab641c1dc | 05:10 |
| comawhite | aww | 05:10 |
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| alterego | A twunk | 05:35 |
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| alterego | Right, bed time now. | 05:58 |
| alterego | Later folks. | 05:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh, http://www.nokia.at looks different now | 06:04 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: they replaced the 404 you didn't like :) | 06:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | nice, that page makes it easy for you to find out which other regional sites are dead :) | 06:08 |
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| ineedhelp | i'm trying to add the extras-devel repository but haven't had any luck. could someone help me out? | 09:36 |
| psycho_oreos | where are you stuck>? | 09:37 |
| ineedhelp | at the bottom of 'catalog details' in red, it says 'http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/freemantle/free/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 174.76.227.9 80] | 09:39 |
| ineedhelp | and http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/freemantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 174.76.227.9 80] | 09:40 |
| * psycho_oreos waits for HAM to stop fiddling with itself | 09:42 | |
| psycho_oreos | well the link doesn't work, so its definitely an issue with adding the apt.conf | 09:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install | 09:43 |
| ineedhelp | i got it....typo on fremantle | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | attenton, it will install *all* repos on clicking | 09:44 |
| psycho_oreos | lol there | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 09:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: suggestion-> have proper "it's frEmantle, not frEEmantle!" webpages on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/freemantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages etc :-D | 09:46 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe have a symlink freemantle to fremantle lol | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way, we'd see a LOT of wrong instructions claiming "WFM!" | 09:47 |
| psycho_oreos | true | 09:48 |
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| hrw | Khertan_: alive? | 11:41 |
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| khertan | hrw yep ... | 11:56 |
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| khertan | hrw, from PySide.QtWebKit import *.... ouch ... | 11:58 |
| hrw | moment | 12:00 |
| hrw | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PySide/QtCore.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Shiboken12TypeResolver5toCppEP7_objectPPvb | 12:00 |
| hrw | upgrading packages now | 12:02 |
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| hrw | from PySide.QtWebKit import * | 12:02 |
| hrw | ImportError: No module named QtWebKit | 12:02 |
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| hrw | thats effect of >>> from khweeteur import Khweeteur | 12:03 |
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| khertan | hrw : yep exactly | 12:09 |
| khertan | i ve use the same launcher for khweeteur and khweeteur-experimental | 12:10 |
| khertan | which is an error when not printing error | 12:10 |
| khertan | :) | 12:10 |
| hrw | khertan: add dependency on python-pyside.qtwebkit then | 12:11 |
| hrw | khertan: now it works | 12:11 |
| khertan | yep or remove the useless import :) | 12:11 |
| hrw | khertan: or try/except it | 12:11 |
| * hrw wonder does any of maemo twitter clients supports lists... | 12:12 | |
| khertan | hrw it s a inactivated feature ... it s a try to use webkit for automated oauth authentification | 12:12 |
| khertan | hrw what did you call lists ? | 12:13 |
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| hrw | khertan: Twitter lists | 12:15 |
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| * khertan just discover that you can make list in Twitter | 12:17 | |
| * khertan is in many twitter list | 12:17 | |
| khertan | :) | 12:17 |
| hrw | khertan: and you can add people which you do not follow into the list | 12:18 |
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| khertan | now the question is how to made an intuitive ui on that list feature :) | 12:21 |
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| hrw | khertan: add menu option "My Lists" which will give QListWidget with lists - user clicks and gets tweets | 12:24 |
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| khertan | hrw, this was the first solution that come into my mind too | 12:25 |
| khertan | let s take a look at how it s work on the Twitter API :) | 12:25 |
| khertan | http://api.twitter.com/version/:user/lists.format & http://api.twitter.com/version/:user/lists/:id/statuses.format should be enough | 12:27 |
| khertan | now i probably should implement it in the python-twitter module too :) | 12:27 |
| * khertan still didn't see any interest in oauth ... | 12:29 | |
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| khertan | hrw, 0.1.10 should be available soon in extras-devel :) | 12:36 |
| hrw | ok | 12:36 |
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| hrw | khertan: 0.1.10 installed | 12:51 |
| hrw | works | 12:51 |
| hrw | khertan: btw - could you first do fetch then display? | 12:52 |
| hrw | khertan: now when I run khweeteur I am getting old direct messages, then some newer mentions, then finally unified timeline | 12:52 |
| khertan | hrw this occur only after the cache has been cleaned | 12:54 |
| khertan | recovering dm is faster than the rest | 12:54 |
| khertan | and as it s threaded :) | 12:54 |
| khertan | but i like the display once you got the information | 12:54 |
| khertan | any reason to wait ? | 12:55 |
| hrw | khertan: it gives me feeling that something is wrong as I first gets over week old tweets | 12:57 |
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| hrw | khertan: next thing to change is prefs UI - labels takes too much space | 13:00 |
| hrw | khertan: if you have *.ui file for it then I can reorder it, but you probably generate it by hand | 13:00 |
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| khertan | but you probably generate it by hand < exactly :) | 13:02 |
| khertan | hrw: gitorious.org/khweeteur | 13:02 |
| khertan | :) | 13:02 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 17:15 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: pong. | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, was wondering if we could have a package in -devel to link with the SSU | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, I might use red-pill mode's don't ignore packages from wrong domain mode | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: And then disable it after update run? | 17:19 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, no, just keep it on | 17:19 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, I noticed another problem, if the SSU gains higher priority, Nokia's SSU is ignored :P | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well that was the plan, right? | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | all packages? | 17:20 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: what's wrong w/ ignoring nokia ssu? :) | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Hmm. | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | I thought it'd just ignore the upgraded packages | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: I did too. | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | hmm indeed | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | aren't all packages in the SSU outside user/*? | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | No, apps can be in an ssu too. | 17:21 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, was asking about Nokia's SSU | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | if they're all outside user/, then we shouldn't really care if they're ignored since HAM won't show them anyways | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well isn't modest for instance user? | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it's not the right way :P | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: now you care about purity? | 17:23 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 17:23 | |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, I don't recall seeing it in HAM's uninstall section | 17:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | this stupid driver forced my mac to reboot | 17:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | and it isn't working | 17:23 |
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| MohammadAG | in fact I don't recall anything other than the metapackage in the user/ section | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | as when I got my device, I only had "Maemo 5" in the uninstall list | 17:24 |
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| MohammadAG | plus some widgets | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well they don't expect you to uninstall it :) | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, then it's outside user/* ;) | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | ignore Nokia SSU - check | 17:25 |
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| MohammadAG | need clean device to test from PR1.3 - not.. check | 17:25 |
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| MohammadAG | sigh, I need a full system backup | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: FWIW when they'll update qtm for instance, it will probably come from nokia-apps repo. | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | I don't feel like reflashing to test | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: And updates like that are more likely than a SSU. | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | can't we just import the packages then? | 17:26 |
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| X-Fade | I wonder if just adding them to the meta package would be enough. | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | As the apps repo is still enabled then? | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | hum | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | well, the packages are ignored | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | who has 2 devices and is willing to test some cases? :P | 17:27 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ usb to serial adapters and drivers for os x (x86_64)? | 17:36 |
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| libben | is there any ebook reader for n900 that supports .mobi formats? | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you looked at fbreader? | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know about .mobi though | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I use it for html and epub mainly | 17:40 |
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| libben | i have fbreader installed | 17:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Calibre | 17:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Input formats accepted: ePUB, MOBI, LIT, PRC, FB2, HTML, HTM, XHTM, SHTML, XHTML, ODT, RTF, PDF, TXT, RECIPE, PML, SHTM, PDB, AZW, CBC, PMLZ, CBR, OPF RB, LRF, CBZ, TCR. Output formats available: EPUB, MOBI, LRF FB2, LIT, PDB, PDF, PMLZ, RB, TCR, TXT | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | so - mobi -> epub should be possible | 17:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | gives hope it might 'just work' on n900 | 17:45 |
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| libben | calibre install for maemo would be nice. | 17:56 |
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| libben | but will fetch my book within another format by now | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you tried the above procedure on maemo? | 17:56 |
| libben | no no | 17:56 |
| libben | first thing would be to check if all the depends is in the system | 17:57 |
| libben | if there not, someone has to fix that first =) | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - no. | 17:57 |
| libben | there == theyre | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The first thing is to try it, and see if it works. | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes stuff just does | 17:57 |
| libben | well true that =) | 17:57 |
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| MohammadAG | why is it dead in here today? :P | 18:16 |
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| vapopup | holidays, time spent with family | 18:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Secret PR1.4 trials | 18:20 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Guys, is there any theme related to carbon/hydrocarbon? I remember there was one but I can't find it..I need some blackish theme. | 19:14 |
| Ex-Opesa | I need it for maemo pr 1.3 / n900 | 19:15 |
| lcuk | thp, :) nice icon list document | 19:15 |
| lcuk | (for people not on twitter http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/ ) | 19:16 |
| thp | lcuk: :) | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, heh, that's the one I pasted the license for you from | 19:17 |
| lcuk | yeah MohammadAG, and obviously in mind based on that conversation | 19:17 |
| lcuk | thats a nice resource | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | though I kinda stopped using it, I just string the binary and grep for png :P | 19:18 |
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| lardman | hey chaps | 19:20 |
| lardman | Merry Christmas | 19:20 |
| X-Fade | lardman: You have a lot of lag on your irc client ;) | 19:20 |
| lcuk | \o Merry Christmas lardman | 19:21 |
| lardman | X-Fade: lol | 19:21 |
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| lardman | hi guys | 19:21 |
| javispedro | hi lardman | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | hey lardman :) | 19:21 |
| * lardman has installed Ubuntu on his netbook and is cursing the size of dialogs | 19:22 | |
| lcuk | lardman, touchscreen netbook? | 19:22 |
| * MohammadAG passes the MeeGo USB key | 19:22 | |
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| lardman | nah, samsung n140 | 19:22 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, heh | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | oh right, my flash drive crashes the new HP netbook | 19:22 |
| lcuk | good I have one of those on my car keys | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | at POST | 19:23 |
| lardman | meego wants the whole hdd afaiu, and I need to use Windows too... | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | so I couldn't try MeeGo on a touch screen | 19:23 |
| * MohammadAG cries | 19:23 | |
| MohammadAG | lardman, it runs off the USB drive | 19:23 |
| lcuk | :( get onto #meego and check whats happening MohammadAG | 19:23 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Nah, it is just linux. And uses grub :) | 19:23 |
| lardman | well that was the warning on the installation page | 19:24 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, I never figured it out, so I gave up | 19:24 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Sure, if you next,next,next it. | 19:24 |
| javispedro | the installer is crap | 19:24 |
| lardman | ubuntu happily resized my ntfs partition and installed in the newly created half | 19:24 |
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| javispedro | probably it was not a goal to coexist with window. | 19:24 |
| nox- | moin | 19:24 |
| lardman | javispedro: unfortunately some of us have to use Windows | 19:24 |
| javispedro | lardman: I spent +1hour trying to discover how to do that on meegoconf =) | 19:25 |
| lardman | anyway, c'est la vie, I might give it a go, but I was after a portable sb install, so I guess Ubuntu is probably a better bet anyway | 19:25 |
| lardman | so I've been busy writing an augmented reality app, and as we lack a compass am going to use a scrolling compass widget | 19:26 |
| lardman | my question is, can one, using an existing widget scroll right round in a circle? | 19:26 |
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| lardman | I've got it set up as a full width band at the bottom of the widget that shows the camera view, and I'd like to have it finger scrollale | 19:28 |
| lardman | scrollable even | 19:28 |
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| lardman | alternatively is there a way of using the kinetic scrolling abilities to give me some sort of delta-position that I can wrap around myself (as I need to use a custom paint fn anyway)? | 19:33 |
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| lardman | hmm, all quiet on the western front | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, like alterego's columbus app? | 19:54 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: not sure, I've not tried that | 19:55 |
| lardman | I'll download and take a look-see | 19:56 |
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| lardman | hmm, same sort of thing as in the top LH corner, but I want the user to be able to flick it around to align it correctly | 19:57 |
| lardman | as we lack an e-compass | 19:58 |
| lardman | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/status-landscape.png image here for those who don't know what it is | 19:59 |
| lardman | flick it left/right I should say to align it correctly | 19:59 |
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| lardman | (I know that's pretty crap, but we lack a compass, so I need something vaguely usable until we get new hw with one) | 20:00 |
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| jacekowski | https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/3952.en.html | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: open source firmware for ti modem | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: same as in openmoko | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I linked him earlier. | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun stuff. | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The attack is largely mitigatable - the rainbow tables become useless if the packets are not null-filled AIUI | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, that means firmware upgrades | 20:06 |
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| jacekowski | attack? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, events.ccc.de is down | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | streaming is working | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | but hmm now thiking about it | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | ti calypso is made by ti like rapuyama | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | so it maybe is similiar | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ot really | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | not* | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, details might be comparable | 20:10 |
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| vapopup | hehm | 20:16 |
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| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12090245 ha | 20:20 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 20:20 |
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| vapopup | woohoo i found more Dimensional Force bean paste! | 20:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: How is suffering tonight? | 20:24 |
| javispedro | actually doing some hacking | 20:24 |
| javispedro | I think I found an actual bug in the dosbox mouse code | 20:25 |
| RST38h | MOhammad: OMG they got 4chan | 20:25 |
| javispedro | pupnik would be happy, if he was here :) | 20:25 |
| RST38h | dosbox hacking? mhhmmmm | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, this won't end well, I'm sure | 20:26 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: The usual, end-of-the-world, etc | 20:26 |
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| MohammadAG | FIXED IN PR1.4! | 20:26 |
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| vapopup | javispedro: i am happy! has you seen any improvement in any game to test? | 20:27 |
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| javispedro | oh, hi :) | 20:27 |
| javispedro | vapopup: it could case an unwanted horizontal acceleration | 20:27 |
| javispedro | *cause | 20:28 |
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| vapopup | are you interested in implementing 'trackpad mode'? | 20:28 |
| javispedro | it was sligthly noticeable in text mode, probably more in graphics | 20:28 |
| vapopup | i have looked at the mouse code and it is confuussing | 20:28 |
| javispedro | vapopup: trying to get more proefficient in the entire mouse stack | 20:28 |
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| javispedro | yeah | 20:28 |
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| vapopup | gotten any offers for help from #dosbox? | 20:29 |
| javispedro | nope, working alone so far | 20:29 |
| javispedro | msmouse actually used absolute mouse coordinates | 20:30 |
| vapopup | i am sorry i haven't done it myself but i am glad ou understand how not-easy it is | 20:30 |
| vapopup | yes, i would suggest leaving their stuff as-is and use #ifdef and your own stuff on-top of it | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: NB calypso also had *option* to support signatures and PKI for firmware updates. But it never got used it seems | 20:31 |
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| javispedro | vapopup: do you want a n8x0 test build? | 20:43 |
| javispedro | vapopup: if whatever game you wanted to try used msmouse (int33h) it should work better | 20:43 |
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| javispedro | ps2 will work as bad as usual, though | 20:43 |
| vapopup | javispedro: how about a patch or a pastebin? i have a couple of other touchscreen devices | 20:44 |
| javispedro | ok | 20:44 |
| vapopup | this is for the bugfix right? | 20:44 |
| javispedro | yep | 20:45 |
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| javispedro | I don't know exactly where the extra acceleration comes from, but since it's in part that should do nothing when on touchscreen, i just ifdef'd 0 it. | 20:45 |
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| pupnik | ah | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: German Kindergartens Ordered To Pay Copyright For Songs | 20:47 |
| RST38h | "A tightening of copyright rules means kindergartens now have to pay fees to Germany's music licensing agency, GEMA, to use songs that they reproduce and perform. The organization has begun notifying creches and other daycare facilities that if they reproduce music to be sung or performed, they must pay for a license." | 20:47 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: http://maemo.pastebin.com/q5bypx4R | 20:49 |
| javispedro | note the simplicity :) | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | funny, I can reuse this code in a few places at work =) | 20:50 |
| pupnik | hmm ty | 20:51 |
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| pupnik | Offtopic: TSA scan/grop online registry http://ofsevit.dynalias.com:8081/ari/tsa/#N | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | any DBus techies? | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | need to find the method to open .install files | 20:55 |
| javispedro | now, if damn windows used msmouse for getting abs coordinates instead of messing around with ps2 I could get windows to work flawlessly too | 20:56 |
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| pupnik | argh | 20:57 |
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| javispedro | I fscking hate Scribd. | 21:03 |
| javispedro | slower than AcrobatPDF itself (!!!), requires Flash, Facebook login to download | 21:04 |
| javispedro | yet people use it. | 21:04 |
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| jacekowski | foxit reader | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | faster than adobe | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | but it's not going to solve your problem | 21:06 |
| javispedro | yeah :( | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Scribd is a mysterious service that does not appear to have a purpose | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | well it solves one problem | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | acrobat reader | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | and it's browser plugin | 21:07 |
| jacekowski | that tends to do strange things | 21:07 |
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| KMFDM | scribd's purpose (currently) is to force you to upload bullshit files to download their pdf'p | 21:17 |
| KMFDM | s | 21:17 |
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| jaska | strings /dev/urandom | text-to-pdf-converter ? :) | 21:22 |
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| lolcat | can maemo emulate a real cpu? | 21:27 |
| E0x | what ? | 21:27 |
| trx | um, what? | 21:27 |
| lolcat | I want to run a probably non arm program | 21:28 |
| lolcat | spotify | 21:28 |
| lolcat | the linux client | 21:28 |
| lolcat | on my phone | 21:28 |
| E0x | arm is not a real cpu ? | 21:28 |
| RST38h | Depends on whose arm it is. | 21:28 |
| trx | lol | 21:28 |
| javispedro | it is linear! | 21:28 |
| ds3 | calling arm a CPU doesn't do it justice ;) | 21:28 |
| lolcat | you know what I mean | 21:28 |
| trx | haha | 21:29 |
| trx | by real u mean x86? | 21:29 |
| lolcat | Maybe 64bit | 21:29 |
| lolcat | not sure, I'll have to add the respitory | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | can x86 emulate x64? | 21:30 |
| jaska | power7? | 21:30 |
| javispedro | if x86 is "real", then x64 must be "the matrix"? | 21:30 |
| lolcat | will I have to run the easy debian desktop to run it? | 21:30 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Most current Intel CPUs support x64 | 21:30 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: (in the 64bit extension sense) | 21:30 |
| trx | "the matrix" | 21:30 |
| trx | hahaha | 21:30 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, erm, not quite what I meant but.. whatever :P | 21:31 |
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| ds3 | there is a reason why it is called i386 ;) | 21:31 |
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| MohammadAG | cause it was originally made by Apple and intel stole it? | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:32 |
| lolcat | can I run the client? I want music!!!! | 21:32 |
| trx | x86 is an architecture, and has both 32bit and 64bit registers | 21:32 |
| ds3 | it isn't a real CPU | 21:33 |
| trx | if your cpu has them that is :) | 21:33 |
| ds3 | for the EEs, prehaps calling it a j386 is more appropriate ;) | 21:33 |
| RST38h | x86 has not 64bit regs other than MMX regs | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | lolcat, amazon.com/mp3? | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | or google.com | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Once you switch to 64bit mode your registers get extended to 64bit (i.e. EAX becomes RAX, etc) | 21:33 |
| lolcat | MohammadAG: I dont want to double pay for my music | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | there are spotify clients | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | lots of them | 21:34 |
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| trx | RST38h but it still is X86 architecture, is it not? | 21:34 |
| ds3 | i386 in SMP is real though: -(386)^2 ;) | 21:34 |
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| lolcat | MohammadAG: there is an official client, for linux | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | meh, same as two years ago | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | unavailable in IL | 21:35 |
| lolcat | IL? | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | Israel | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | X86 is different from ARM | 21:36 |
| RST38h | trx: Microsoft calls it x64 | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | so, no, you can't run it | 21:36 |
| RST38h | trx: as opposed to 32bit x86 | 21:36 |
| lolcat | Maybe thats why they are so angry... We should allow them to listen to calm music | 21:36 |
| trx | microsoft is lame :) | 21:36 |
| RST38h | trx: Strictly speaking, x64 should probably be reserved for AMDproducts | 21:36 |
| trx | yeah | 21:36 |
| lolcat | MohammadAG: are you sure there are no arm spotify in the spotify respitory | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | AMD64? | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> there are spotify clients | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> lots of them | 21:37 |
| lolcat | I want offline playback! | 21:37 |
| trx | just download the music :) | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | I want 100k bucks | 21:37 |
| RST38h | why so small amount? | 21:38 |
| lolcat | It costs money! | 21:38 |
| lolcat | and effort most importantly | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | trx, I tried pointing him to google, he didn't like it :P | 21:38 |
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| trx | i see :) | 21:38 |
| lolcat | I am on my phone, no time for googeling | 21:38 |
| lolcat | besides I think the linux client is secret... | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | yes, you have to talk to apt about it | 21:39 |
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| MohammadAG | or ChanServ | 21:39 |
| RST38h | or 127.0.0.1 | 21:39 |
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| lolcat | I will try to add the respitory on my phone | 21:40 |
| trx | or 74.125.87.104 | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, imma hack and reboot that! | 21:40 |
| trx | lol | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:40 |
| lolcat | oO | 21:41 |
| * lolcat has a stupid root password | 21:41 | |
| trx | is it "root"? | 21:41 |
| lolcat | 1234567 | 21:41 |
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| lolcat | or something | 21:41 |
| trx | thats even worse :) | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | what's worse is that when he joined the channel, he wasn't cloaked | 21:42 |
| lolcat | Bah, I have to get back to work | 21:42 |
| trx | omg | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | so you have 1) his IP, 2) his root password | 21:42 |
| lolcat | MohammadAG: ssh is turned off | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | and sshd is probably running on port 22 | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | good luck | 21:42 |
| trx | lol :D | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | was it turned off or did you turn it off when I mentioned it? :P | 21:42 |
| trx | turning it off as we speak :) | 21:43 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Have you sent your request by FedEx? | 21:51 |
| javispedro | no, why? | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | billyboy doesn't read email | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | too many geeks asking for documentation about win2.0 mousedrivers :-P | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or complaining about "win7 sucks!!1!!" | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | vista* | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | M$-* | 22:19 |
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| technomike | Hey guys :) | 22:19 |
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| Ex-Opesa | Is there any way to view GIF images in maemo fremantle guys? | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | Ex-Opesa, microb i believe supports them | 23:03 |
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| Ex-Opesa | lcuk: ah okay, thank you. | 23:14 |
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| Venemo | hi | 23:39 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 23:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | how do i export bookmarks from microb? :) | 23:46 |
| satmd | wasn't it just a modded firefox, if so it's a bookmarks.html | 23:48 |
| satmd | iirc | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | it's XBEL | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | because we were ordered to use a crappy format | 23:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i don't want to know where .bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml lives | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i want to know if anyone knows if we have an export feature | 23:49 |
| * timeless_mbp thought there was one in diablo | 23:50 | |
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| MohammadAG | can't recall seeing it | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | nope, no such option | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, how do I restart browserd? | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | the init.d way isn't working | 23:53 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't working? | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | I still see a white window with the moving bar | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | missing options from top menu bar | 23:54 |
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| javispedro | timeless_mbp: I guess you might be able to use osso-backup, then grep the resulting zip file contents for your bookmarks =) | 23:54 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: i could just cp -a the .bookmarks directory | 23:54 |
| javispedro | oh, there's one. | 23:55 |
| javispedro | that's nice to know. | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, it turns out that ovi suite doesn't support syncing bookmarks (i insisted on not supporting such a stupid feature) | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so my fears of ovi suite ruining my bookmarks were unfounded | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but the ui did lead me to fear it would do so | 23:55 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 23:56 |
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| jacekowski | i want bookmark sync | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | but with opera link | 23:57 |
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| epp | my n900 should be arriving in 2 days | 23:57 |
| javispedro | oh, I am sure single-vendor bookmark syncing works flawlessly | 23:57 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: there should be a way to connect MicroB to Firefox Sync | 23:58 |
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| jacekowski | why people are still buying phone with dead platform | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | that's different | 23:58 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: every platform is dead :) | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: yeah, they just don't know it yet | 23:58 |
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