IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-09-17

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DRoBeRI'm reading: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-03-29.log.html00:04
DRoBeRbut there's no solution for me, just another people who have the same problem :P00:04
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dwmw2_gonehm, is there _any_ feed on http://www.virginradio.co.uk/listen/ that actually works?#00:33
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* ilan tries to upgrade his 770 to OS 2007.01:47
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DeformativeCan the usb host mode be changed without the flasher?02:06
DeformativeIsn't there some onboard utility?02:06
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pupnikon 770 or N800?02:25
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pupnik 135384  boost02:39
pupnik1826220 boost8602:39
pupnikgood grief02:39
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Deformativepupnik: 77002:41
pupniki think so02:42
DeformativeSo...02:49
DeformativeNo one has ever compiled gcc?02:49
DeformativeFor armel02:49
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skiburhum03:14
skiburwhat is the most popular app on the N800?03:15
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unique311kagu03:25
unique311skibur, you can check maemo.org, go to the garage, and see what is being downloaded the most.03:26
skiburo cool03:27
unique311top download, is maemo mapper03:27
skiburdidn't know about that03:27
skiburthanks03:27
unique311most active this week, video center03:27
skiburuClinux for Nintendo DS is looking great03:28
skiburit's call DSLinux03:28
skibur:P03:28
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unique311not a ds owner..03:30
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Deformative...04:33
DeformativeWhere is everyone?04:33
_Monkeyeveryone is a critic :)04:33
DeformativeHow is it even possible that no one has tried onboard gcc?04:42
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* pupnik bounces05:11
Deformative?05:11
pupnikmanaged to fix some dependency problems even though the required package wouldn't build05:12
DeformativeOh.05:12
DeformativeTry to build gcc. :)05:12
[31d1]isnt gcc in red pill mode?05:16
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Deformativeg++ is, but I need to know how to build it.05:16
pupniksome newer apps want a gcc > 3.4 i think05:16
pupnikmight be nice to have 4.105:17
[31d1]hmm, swear i saw that05:17
DeformativeYeah05:17
[31d1]i just still cant believe no one needed diff05:17
[31d1]wtf05:17
DeformativeAnd if I cannot build gcc, I cannot build gdc05:17
pupnikdid you search maemo-devel?05:17
DeformativeHuh?05:18
pupnikthere is a mailing list05:19
DeformativeI will subscribe tomorrow.05:19
DeformativeI need to sleep now.05:19
pupnikok cheers05:19
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* pupnik runs the first build of pingus lemmings clone on the n770 :D05:39
[31d1]ooooooo05:42
[31d1]lemmings05:42
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pupnikstarts up ok, sound+music works, but crashes05:53
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pupnikpingus is a free lemmings clone - currently seeking testers http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9794  - /msg pupnik to test06:12
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pupnikcrashes fixxorzed :P07:07
pupnikspeed tripledzored :P07:07
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evadneemy 770 is not working :(07:12
evadneeit is charging but not booting...07:12
evadneeany suggestions?07:12
_Monkeyany suggestions are welcome07:12
pupnikreflash07:14
evadneehow?07:14
pupnikflasher?07:14
_Monkeywell, flasher is available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com07:14
evadneeits connecting to the mmc but not the nokia?07:14
pupnikno07:15
evadneehow do i reflash this thing?07:15
evadneei don07:15
evadneei don't want to send it in to be fixed :(07:15
milhouseuse the windows update wizard07:15
milhousemight even get a mention in the manual07:16
evadneeyes i did try that07:16
milhouseand?07:16
evadneeno good07:16
evadneeits not connecting to the nokia07:16
evadneeits connecting to the mmc07:16
milhouseno idea, i give up07:16
evadneec'mon guys think harder!!07:17
milhouseyou're not making any sense to be honest07:17
evadneei went to sleep with it charging and when i woke up it was shut off and then it would not boot07:17
evadneewhat do you want me to clear up?07:18
evadneeits not booting, but its charging07:18
milhousewhat do you mean "it's connecting to the mmc"?07:18
evadneethe card07:18
_Monkeysomebody said the card was faster and can be ext2 or something instead of jffs207:18
milhousesee? no sense whatsoever... ;)07:18
evadneethe micro sd card07:18
milhouseyou mean it boots from mmc, but doesn't boot from internal flash?07:19
evadneewhen i connect the 770 to my pc via usb07:19
evadneeyeah that..07:19
_Monkeyyeah that is probably cool. i will be porting some linux stuff to maemo. hoping to be not much painful as Symbian was07:19
milhouse_monkey forget "yeah that"07:20
_Monkeymilhouse, I didn't have anything matching "yeah that"07:20
milhouseso it boots... reflash it07:20
evadneehow?07:20
milhouseDid you get a small booklet with your 770?07:21
milhousecommonly referred to as a "manual"?07:21
evadneeits not booting at all though, its stuck on the charging screen, even if i hold down the home key07:21
milhouseyou said it booted from mmc07:21
pupnikno07:21
evadneeno forget that07:21
pupnik"it's connecting to the mmc"07:21
evadnee^ that07:21
milhousewhich means what, exactly?07:22
evadneethe bottom line is that 'its not booting at all'07:22
milhouseyou mean your PC is mounting the mcc card as a disk drive even though your device not booting?07:22
evadneeshould i send it in to be serviced or can i fix this at home07:22
evadneeyes07:22
milhousehave you tried removing the battery?07:22
evadneeyes07:23
milhouseand removing the mmc card?07:23
evadneeyes07:23
milhousewhat happens when you connect the usb cable to your 770 and pc, then power on the 770 while holding the Home key?07:23
evadneethe white nokia screen comes on, and i see the usb icon on the top right but after 3-4 secs it goes back to the charging screen07:24
milhousewhat happens if you do the above but without the AC charger connected?07:25
evadneeit doesn't even power on at all07:25
milhouseduff battery?@07:25
evadneewithout the charger it doesn't work at all07:25
evadneehmm?07:25
milhousetry another battery07:25
milhouseor leave it charging for about 12 hours then try again07:26
evadneeits been charging for awhile now :(07:26
evadneeshould i send it in to be serviced?07:26
milhousethen i would try another battery07:26
evadneei don't understand why it isn't booting though :(07:26
lle2dead battery07:27
milhousemaybe because there isn't enough charge in the battery... hence why i suggest you try another battery07:27
lle2sw checks the charge level and refuses to run if there's not enough07:27
milhouseby all means send it in for service, but it could just be a dead or defective battery07:27
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evadneeic07:27
evadneei suppose this happened literally over night07:27
evadneethough the 770 currently says that the battery is full07:28
milhouseif you do send it it, you're not supposed to send in the battery, battery cover, stylus or hard-cover so there's a chance they'll find nothing wrong...07:28
milhousehow old is it?07:28
evadneea couple months old07:28
milhousecan't really suggest much more... do you have another battery to test with?07:29
milhouseor can borrow one?07:29
evadneei don't have another battery07:29
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evadneemaybe i can run down the mall 2morrow and see if those cellphone stores have a nokia battery lying around?07:29
evadneewhat would you suggest?07:30
lle2that sounds like a good idea07:30
milhouseagreed07:30
evadneealright, i'll see you guys later :)07:31
evadneethanks for the help!07:31
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fish_re10:05
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Dave_hi10:20
Dave_can anyone tell men online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal?10:21
Dave_me*10:21
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pcsaszarHi people10:25
pcsaszarI just got this place, that someone from here migthbe able to help10:26
pcsaszarCan you use files.maemo.org at this moment10:26
pcsaszarI am asked for username and password all the time. But on friday, things worked fine.10:26
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pcsaszarWell I am trying to use repository with apt-get update10:31
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lardmanmorning13:32
_Monkeyaloha13:32
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Dave_can anyone tell me an online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal?13:45
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fish_ah crap, the shop were i bought my 770 tries to fix it with a new display instead of exchange it with a n800 :(14:22
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cosmowhy would they exchange it to N800? 770 is still being sold14:25
`0660i wonder if fiat exchanges faulty cars to ferraris :)14:29
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Big_Bgood morning(~ugt)14:34
Big_Banybody can tell me how to covert JOCTET to gchar for gtk14:35
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Big_Bplease anybody tell how to covert JOCTET to gchar for gtk14:46
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nomisBig_B: what is JOCTET?14:48
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Big_BJOCTET * buffer;14:55
Big_Bnomis: JOCTET * buffer;14:55
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sp3000how useful15:10
sp3000there seem to be two places that can give you such creatures15:10
sp3000what you have and what you want they seem to be the same thing though so a cast should do15:11
sp3000now the contents are of course another story15:11
Mikhohow can I use C-compiled .a -library in a c++ program? The linker complains it can't find the functions that are supposed to be defined in the .a file?15:11
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Dave_anyone not afk here?..15:13
dwmw2maybe15:13
Dave_can anyone tell me an online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal?15:13
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user__hi, anyone know of any resumeble download managers for n800 please?15:48
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sbaturzioRebroad: wget ?15:49
_Monkeyrumour has it wget is an utility for non-interactive download of files from the Web. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/wget/15:49
Rebroadthanks sbaturzio & _Monkey15:50
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Dave_can anyone tell me an online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal?15:54
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Rebroadhow do i make wget resume please? it just starts from the beginning each time so far16:01
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janiman wget  .. -c is continue/resume switch ..16:03
janialso, some websites do not support that.. specially if there's some download scripts in the site setup..16:03
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alteregoUrgh .. Making debian packages is hard ..16:09
alteregoI can honestly say I've got no idea what I'm doing ^_^16:10
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alteregoOkay .. It's a bit easier than I thought. I just realised what all this files are doing ^_^16:13
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fish_cosmo: is it really still be sold? i thought nokia doesnt support it anymore?16:21
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cosmofish_: yes16:29
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alteregoWoo! FIRST DEB PACKAGE!16:35
alteregoO_O16:35
solmumahagimme gimme16:43
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pupnik_http://synthesize.us/HOWTO_make_a_deb_archive16:48
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qgilhi, the scoop is for you: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_beta_sdk.html17:26
qgilwe have completed the upload and we are doing the last testing before announcing the release17:26
disqgood news! :)17:26
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cosmohm, gotta try that17:34
TPC4.0 is coming up? cool17:37
* pupnik_ cheers17:38
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koen# HAL added, with libhal as wrapper. Supported devices:17:41
koen   * keyboard (open/closed, exists/doesn’t exist)17:41
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pupnik_Is there a debhelper >= 5 for gregale maemo yet?18:02
pupnik_Version: 4.2.3218:03
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JaffaMorning, all18:14
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pupnik_hi18:14
_Monkeybonjour, pupnik_18:14
Jaffakoen: intriguing18:14
koenJaffa: indeed18:15
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* Jaffa wonders if a built-in keyboard would actually improve his N800, without a proper Jotter app. 'spose it'd make email on the move more of a proposition18:21
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pupnik_what's jotter?18:24
Jaffahttp://www.ericlindsay.com/epoc/bjot5.htm18:26
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pupnik_oh psion - i suppose maemopad+ is not a substitute?18:28
disqwonder if it's ok to add other project (related to maemo) trackers in #maemo-commits18:28
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* pupnik_ begins to understand why no debhelper 5 is available18:32
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pupnik_524138 Sep 17 16:32 debhelper_5.0.54_all.deb  :P :P :P18:33
cosmohmm. getting connection reset by peers when d/ling maemo 4.0 beta debs18:33
Jaffapupnik_: Maemopad+ didn't quite have the right workflow for me. Jotter took the first line of the note as a title and was free-format rich text, last time I tried Maemopad+ it required a title to be added before the note18:33
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lardmankulve: You about?18:34
pupnik_i didn't use the psion 5mx and netbook much, but it was instantly usable18:34
lardmankulve: Just wondering if you had any ideas for debugging tasks that don't want to start up (i.e. open() returns -1)?18:34
lardmanpupnik_: and had a keyboard :)18:35
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|tbb|has anyone experience running kde on n80018:40
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cosmodid anyone manage to install 4.0 beta?18:49
cosmomy installation always fails on Err http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free ppp 2.4.4rel-8osso3                                                        Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 193.184.164.153 80]18:49
JaffaUsing a proxy?18:50
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cosmonot sure, but this is on company network so it's possible18:51
JaffaMight need to export http_proxy=http://somebox:someport18:51
cosmoit downloads 400 packages successfully before that18:51
cosmoand always fails on ppp package18:52
JaffaAh18:52
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guardianis maemo compatible with the latest apophis releases ? can someone sum this up ?19:11
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erstaziguardian: yes19:11
erstaziI would use the latest apophis releases19:12
* erstazi uses them as well19:12
guardianok19:12
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guardiani never really paid attention to the maemo3-sdk package and why it exists etc19:12
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suihkulokkiit should pull in all devkits needed for maemo 3, and add some nice tools19:13
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guardiancould you please tell more about the tools ?19:14
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suihkulokkiI don't remember what and I'm too lazy to look up19:20
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lardman~lart dspgateway error messages19:40
* infobot crushes dspgateway error messages with a full height scsi disk19:40
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pupnikheh19:44
lardmanI've got everything to compile, just the old error of working out why the dsptask won't load19:46
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* pupnik canno help19:47
pupnikbut my debhelper 5 seems to be working!19:47
* pupnik is astounded19:47
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pupnikit is jam-packed with fudge and ignored dependencies19:48
pupnikand dependencies where i edited rules to skip tests :)19:48
pupniktotally nsfw :)19:48
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alteregoWhat's the codename for maemo 2.2?20:42
`0660gregale?20:42
_Monkeyi heard gregale was something else entirely20:42
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lle2is there anyone who thinks that the monkey is useful?20:44
pupnikhello ssvb, guardian20:44
pupnikyes20:44
lle2itself?20:44
guardianhi20:44
pupniksaves me typing answering faqs20:44
pupnikit should only trigger with special character though20:44
ssvbhello pupnik20:44
pupnikssvb, I got pingus running last night :)20:45
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pupniki'm curious how it runs on n800 - on 770 it requires VM20:46
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alteregomistral :)20:47
lle2the monkey scores really well on the most annoying net personality of the year awards20:47
suihkulokki_Monkey: change to something20:48
_Monkeysuihkulokki: that doesn't look right20:48
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* suihkulokki promises not tease monkey again :P20:49
pupniki have seen the automated response yield something useful 3-4 times, and be useless 40-80 times20:49
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ssvbpupnik: most likely pingus should be fine on n800, it has the same amount of ram as n770 ram+swap :) unless you have enabled more than 64MB of swap20:54
saaibmorning everyone20:56
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alteregoStrange ..21:07
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alteregoOkay ..21:36
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alteregoShould my debs be called '*_ermel' for mistral?22:05
pupnik*_armel22:05
alteregoYes ..22:05
alteregoIs that right?22:05
alteregoBecause the have identical names the mistral and bora debs :/22:06
pupnikyes all those are armel22:06
pupnikonly it2005 was arm22:06
alteregoOkay22:06
JaffaYeah, that's fine. If they're incompatible with a particular API, depend on a version of hildon-application-framework etc22:06
alteregoOh, so I can run OS2007 apps on an OS2006 device?22:07
alteregoProvided the deps are met?22:07
alteregoAnd visa versa?22:07
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pupnikno.  vice versa yes22:07
alterego:P22:08
alteregoInteresting, I thought there was a binary compatibilty break between IT06 and IT0722:08
alteregoBut that was between OS05 and OS06?22:09
pupnikno, yes22:09
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alteregoOkay ..22:10
* pupnik wishes he ... could be faster at this22:11
disqno, yes. yes, no. what?22:15
pupnikrearranging gtk menus right now - mostly via guesswork22:16
pupnikbuttons rather22:16
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pupnikNew UAE:  Average frame time: 65.145895 ms  ...22:18
pupnikdisq - do you want to fix-up UAE?22:19
disqnot interested, sorry22:21
disqi don't believe it can run speedball2 at decent speed on maemo22:22
pupnikyou got a 770 or 800?22:22
disqn80022:22
disqerm, both in fact22:22
pupnikok - in-game lemmings right now 5fps w/o sound on 77022:23
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saaibpupnik, lemmings is running natively on 770 or requires anything additional?22:44
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gla55_saaib: guessing from previous lines, uae, amiga emulator22:51
pupniktrying to find fastest config settings right now22:51
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suihkulokkithere is a javascript version of lemmings22:54
suihkulokkihttp://games.funnygames.nl/lemmings/index.html22:54
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saaibaha! just got my 770 replacement back from Nokia...23:05
saaibdarn! my battery is on home :S I'll be just steering at the tablet 'till I get home23:06
guru3steering? staring?23:09
bedboiyou can steer it23:09
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Knirchwonder how many picoo-z it would take to lift a 77023:11
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lardmansee you chaps in a few days23:26
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[31d1]convert 1 liter to pints23:47
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Mar_vetciao23:50
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strHi all!23:52
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pupnikgreets23:53
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strI'm looking for help... My N800 does does not sound23:54
strI can hear FM radio.. but when I play videos o music.. it does not sound...23:55
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strI have been lookging in google an forums for 2 days.. but found nothing23:55
lle2there's a separate volume control for that23:55
lle2in the player itself23:56
[31d1]WHY SEPARATE KNOB....WHYYY23:56
lle2why not?23:56
[31d1](seinfeld reference)23:56
strlle2: yes..  the volume is in at max, the global, the fmradio and the video player23:56
lle2it's good to have multiple knobs to tweak23:56
lle2well... then you have a real problem23:57
lle2I can't help with those :(23:58
strlle2: it IS very weird.. because I found threads that say that they cannot hear the fmradio, but everything else works.. but mine is opposite23:59
alteregoHave you tried a cold boot?23:59
strok... anyone else?  i'm very desesperate23:59
stralterego: yes23:59
lle2warm hammer might be better23:59
strreboot, reflash...23:59
alterego:)23:59
alteregoYou reflashed it and it still didn't work?23:59

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