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| * Pio just wrote his own script to import gpx waypoints into maemo mapper poi db | 00:17 | |
| Pio | i'll post it to internettablettalk once i clean it up a little | 00:18 |
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| Pio | python, so unlike other progs out there, it should run fine on maemo | 00:18 |
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| Pio | now i have every mine in LA, ventura and kern county in my POI db >:) | 00:20 |
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| TPC | [23:17:49] * Pio just wrote his own script to import gpx waypoints into maemo mapper poi db | 00:35 |
| TPC | ohh | 00:36 |
| TPC | mind giving me a link to it when you posted it? | 00:36 |
| Pio | http://pio.longstair.com/misc/gpx_to_poi | 00:36 |
| TPC | thanks | 00:37 |
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| wyre | new n800 user here / looking for starting point to fix a problem / after installing several updates my n800 no longer makes sounds correctly, useing the fm radio i get a hint in the form of this error 'audio output switching failed' | 00:40 |
| wyre | [when head phones are not in that is] - | 00:42 |
| TPC | Pio, where did you get the pysqlite2 module? its not in any repos I have on it | 00:43 |
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| Pio | hrm yeah actually i dont know if theres a pysqlite for maemo | 00:43 |
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| Pio | i havent run this on maemo yet | 00:43 |
| Pio | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/pysqlite2/ hmm | 00:44 |
| TPC | missing install | 00:44 |
| TPC | ah well, I'll just run it on my computer then | 00:45 |
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| TPC | hmm | 00:50 |
| TPC | Failed parsing input file: not well-formed (invalid token): line 35239, column 98 | 00:50 |
| TPC | oh well, I'll just remove that particular location | 00:50 |
| lmoura | Pio, there's sqlite3 in the default pymaemo install | 00:51 |
| Pio | ah | 00:51 |
| TPC | sqlite3 and sqlite2 are incompatible, aren't they? | 00:51 |
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| wyre | well - a second restart did the trick [via remote ssh even] after the power button stopped responding... odd. | 00:58 |
| TPC | Pio, hm.. it does not seem to work | 01:00 |
| Pio | any error messages? | 01:00 |
| TPC | Pio, lots of data gets added to the poi file, but when I start mmaemo mapper they just don't show up | 01:00 |
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| Pio | hm | 01:01 |
| TPC | I'm thinking that maybe it was because the category I added them to didn't exist, gonna try again with an exisiting category | 01:01 |
| Pio | you let it add them .. yeah | 01:01 |
| TPC | but I'm just guessing here | 01:01 |
| Pio | i was just going to ask about the categories | 01:01 |
| Pio | by default it just adds to category 11 ("Other") | 01:01 |
| Pio | but it'll use any old number you give it | 01:01 |
| Pio | ..yeah and its a number, not a strnig | 01:01 |
| Pio | i was thinking about adding support for calling categories by name, and creating new categories, etc | 01:02 |
| Pio | this is a real rough draft :) | 01:02 |
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| Pio | but for now, im going to go out biking.. thats what i wrote this for, anyway, to get waypoints into maemo-mapper for my bike ride :) | 01:02 |
| TPC | ok :) | 01:03 |
| TPC | I'm trying to make it load the nearest 1000 geocaches into my poi | 01:04 |
| wyre | caches, cool, get data from gc.com? | 01:06 |
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| TPC | yeah, using a cli app called geotoad | 01:07 |
| wyre | nice tool that one | 01:07 |
| wyre | it's ruby ... there an interpreter for maemo [am new, hope i asked _that_ right] | 01:08 |
| wyre | ? | 01:09 |
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| TPC | no idea, I'm quite new also | 01:09 |
| TPC | anyway, it seems to have worked, all nearby geocaches show up on the map :) | 01:10 |
| TPC | Thanks Pio | 01:10 |
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| wyre | cool | 01:14 |
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| toni_ | hi, n770 stopped booting. | 01:15 |
| toni_ | i reflashed it with new HE 2007 edition, still no boot. reflashed it with latest 2006, still no boot. no errors on reflash though. | 01:16 |
| toni_ | anyone has any ideas what to do? | 01:16 |
| TPC | Pio, if I were to run the script again with most of the locations being the same, and some new / changed, would it create a copy of the old ones, ignore them, or update them? | 01:17 |
| tso | how far does the boot go? any graphics at all? how about when you insert the charger? | 01:17 |
| toni_ | screen with NOKIA blue letter show, but it doesn't go further. | 01:17 |
| TPC | Pio, I'm gonna head to sleep, so if you answer please mention my nick in all the lines, so it will show up in my away log | 01:17 |
| toni_ | with inserted charger. | 01:17 |
| toni_ | i enabled r&D mode but it only shows few info bits, like kernel version on the top of blue NOKIA logo. | 01:18 |
| tso | not a good sign. sad really that nokia didnt provide a way to turn off those graphics somehow (that i know of) | 01:18 |
| toni_ | the crazy thing is, i bought another n770, as a present for a friend. he arrive today, and both nokias are not booting. mental. | 01:19 |
| toni_ | i used mine for couple of months without problems. | 01:19 |
| erstazi | toni_: you should be under warranty | 01:19 |
| erstazi | both both even | 01:19 |
| toni_ | yes i know. but it's still a pain. i'll be without it for who knows how long. | 01:20 |
| lle2 | toni_: just as a last resort, try flashing twice with the same release | 01:20 |
| lle2 | reset by removing the battery in between | 01:20 |
| toni_ | and it worked fine this morning. | 01:20 |
| toni_ | lle2, thanks, will try that now. | 01:20 |
| sp3000 | if you see a black cat crossing your path while flashing, ... | 01:21 |
| toni_ | LOL | 01:21 |
| toni_ | both nokias show signs that they are charging, battery full, and a blue NOKIA logo. no more than that. | 01:21 |
| lle2 | don't leave the charger connected, it affects the bootup | 01:22 |
| lle2 | also if still doesn't work, try enabling rd mode and disabling lifeguard resets | 01:23 |
| toni_ | lle2, without the charger, i couldn't even see the blue NOKIA logo. pressing power button does nothing without a charge. with the charger plugged in, blue NOKIA logo shows, stays for 10-15 sec, then goes to white screen, and then to black screen with a small icon shhowing that it is charging. | 01:24 |
| toni_ | trying reboot with flasher tool does the same thing, no further than logo. | 01:24 |
| lle2 | well, if you can see the charging icon it boots pretty far, could be that you simply have a dead battery and/or charger | 01:25 |
| lle2 | would be pretty unlikely though, for two devices | 01:26 |
| toni_ | lle2, it show that it is fully charged now. also, i have two chargers, and two nokias and both have the same symptpm i desribed above. | 01:26 |
| toni_ | i tried swapping chargers too. | 01:26 |
| toni_ | i need a priest, that's how it feels when two devices refuse to work in a same day like these. | 01:27 |
| toni_ | devil is in my house. | 01:27 |
| toni_ | however, BBC match of the day football stream didn't work today. and half of the basketball euro championship streaming was broken too today. a bad day. | 01:28 |
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| fer__ | Toni, Hi, do you have a url for that stream? | 01:28 |
| lle2 | no, it's just two n770s, they like to be the only tablet in the house | 01:28 |
| toni_ | fer__, it's on BBC website, look under sport, match of the day, for UK only though, unless you can proxy client somehow. | 01:30 |
| erstazi | toni_: if they performed an exorcism then it would be perfect | 01:30 |
| toni_ | ok, flashing twice, with battery taken out inbetwen for few secs, didn't work. | 01:31 |
| toni_ | on black cat though. | 01:31 |
| toni_ | i'll now try flashing the other one. | 01:32 |
| cypherbios | how long does it take to reflash the device? | 01:32 |
| sp3000 | <1min | 01:33 |
| toni_ | yes, under 1 min. | 01:33 |
| lle2 | I can't entirely understand what the hacker edition could do to the device that would break it so that flashing twice with the original wouldn't fix it | 01:33 |
| toni_ | with no errors reported. root device is flash, as it should be, since i took the card out. | 01:33 |
| fer__ | Toni, thanks. | 01:33 |
| lle2 | unless it screws up the cal area | 01:34 |
| fer__ | Toni, I'm not in the Uk.. so, guess I won't be able to get it.. | 01:34 |
| toni_ | fer__, i don't think so. | 01:35 |
| toni_ | fer__, get an account on uknova. | 01:35 |
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| Deformative | Is there a tar gui utility? | 02:26 |
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| disq | there's guiTAR but it's not for maemo yet. i'll try to port it sometime, uses the old gtk (1.2) and all | 02:27 |
| Deformative | Cool. | 02:28 |
| Deformative | Well, let me know if you do it, because I might end up writing one from scratch and I don't want to be doing the same work. | 02:28 |
| disq | i have to update it anyways, haven't touched it for 8 years. | 02:29 |
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| wyre | is there a decent online/offline PIM ... | 02:31 |
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| wyre | been asked before i see... [sigh] | 02:33 |
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| wyre | GPE seems to be the main such app... | 02:46 |
| TPC | personally I use vi and a text file ;P | 02:47 |
| TPC | works for the few todo items and dates I have to keep track off | 02:48 |
| wyre | syncronised with shell scripts? or just shell into one location to track.... | 02:50 |
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| [31d1] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJEYjelxmDw | 03:00 |
| [31d1] | oops | 03:00 |
| [31d1] | wrong window - oh well you guys'll love it too | 03:00 |
| Sulis | and we dooooo! | 03:03 |
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| Deformative | Ugh, making debian packages sucks. | 03:05 |
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| [31d1] | heh | 03:07 |
| [31d1] | thats why i only compile things i can just cp into ~/bin | 03:08 |
| Deformative | Heh | 03:08 |
| Deformative | Good idea. | 03:08 |
| [31d1] | Deformative: you need a copy of nvi or diff for 770 i got u dogg | 03:08 |
| [31d1] | nvi is really nice | 03:08 |
| [31d1] | better than crappy busybox vi | 03:08 |
| [31d1] | and not all big and wonky like vim | 03:09 |
| Deformative | Heh, maybe after I splice up a keyboard. | 03:09 |
| Deformative | I am going to try to get a cheep usb keyboard working in the usb port. | 03:09 |
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| [31d1] | http://code.cutup.org/770 | 03:09 |
| [31d1] | you can afaik if you plug both things into a hub | 03:10 |
| Deformative | Well. | 03:10 |
| Deformative | You can not just plug it into a hub. | 03:10 |
| [31d1] | oh :/ | 03:11 |
| Deformative | Hubs are host/slave | 03:11 |
| Deformative | So you must modify the cable so that nokia is host side. | 03:11 |
| [31d1] | i'm happy just sshing in to do stuff, esp with a vi that redrawsthe screen right and has multiple undo | 03:11 |
| [31d1] | ah, interesting | 03:12 |
| Deformative | The purpose of a hub is because hubs supply power. | 03:12 |
| Deformative | Since the nokia is an unpowered usb | 03:12 |
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| [31d1] | hmm | 03:13 |
| [31d1] | man i was driving all over nj today with my new gps and 770 trying not to crash like 'oo neat' | 03:14 |
| Deformative | Heh. | 03:14 |
| Deformative | I was going to buy a BT keyboard, but the prices are outragous. | 03:14 |
| Deformative | I should have bought a hub though. | 03:15 |
| Deformative | Wasn't thinking. | 03:15 |
| Deformative | What folder is the path variable set on the nokia? | 03:15 |
| [31d1] | not to very much by default | 03:16 |
| Deformative | s/folder/file | 03:17 |
| Deformative | /etc/what? | 03:17 |
| [31d1] | oh | 03:17 |
| Deformative | profile | 03:18 |
| Deformative | Found it | 03:18 |
| [31d1] | i dunno i just set it in .profile to more stuff | 03:18 |
| Deformative | Where are the arrows on the key? | 03:18 |
| Deformative | board | 03:18 |
| [31d1] | one of the first things i did was brick my 770 by saying echo bash > .profile | 03:19 |
| [31d1] | hardware keys are arrows | 03:19 |
| Deformative | But you recovered it, right? | 03:19 |
| Deformative | Not a permanent brick. | 03:19 |
| Deformative | I cannot find it on the on screen keyboard | 03:20 |
| [31d1] | yeah i had to reflash | 03:20 |
| [31d1] | Deformative: yeah use the hardware arrow keys | 03:20 |
| Deformative | I am not sshed | 03:20 |
| [31d1] | yeah on the nokia | 03:20 |
| [31d1] | front top left area | 03:20 |
| Deformative | After I get some more stuff working I am going to make a backup | 03:20 |
| Deformative | Oh, cool. | 03:20 |
| Deformative | Didn't know those worked for that. | 03:21 |
| [31d1] | heh took me a few minutes to figure out myself so i wont lol at you | 03:21 |
| [31d1] | yeah i thought calling bash in .profile would be a slick way to set that as default | 03:22 |
| [31d1] | but it was just a slick way to prevent booting | 03:23 |
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| Deformative | xD | 03:23 |
| Deformative | Need to edit like /etc/passwd or whatever | 03:24 |
| Deformative | For user | 03:24 |
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| [31d1] | it was /etc/shells according to google - i didnt try to mess with that | 03:26 |
| [31d1] | i also subtly screwed things up for weeks till i figured it out by editing /etc/sudoers wrong | 03:26 |
| [31d1] | everything still worked except application manager wouldnt start | 03:27 |
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| [31d1] | cause i put 'user ALL = (ALL) ALL' at the bottom instead of at the top | 03:28 |
| Deformative | Hmm, well, I should get gdc working. | 03:28 |
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| [31d1] | what will that do? | 03:28 |
| Deformative | D compiler | 03:28 |
| [31d1] | (pardon my ignorance) | 03:28 |
| [31d1] | ah | 03:28 |
| Deformative | I will get gcc too | 03:29 |
| Deformative | Then I will have an independent device | 03:29 |
| [31d1] | so if i stick gcc on there i wouldnt have to futz with scratchbox? | 03:29 |
| Deformative | Well. | 03:29 |
| Deformative | You won't have the headers | 03:29 |
| [31d1] | i guess i might have to have a bunch of libs and stuff on there too | 03:29 |
| [31d1] | yeah | 03:29 |
| Deformative | D doesn't need the headers though. | 03:30 |
| Deformative | Just bindings. | 03:30 |
| Deformative | So | 03:30 |
| [31d1] | i suck so hard at anything compiled | 03:30 |
| Deformative | What languages do you know? | 03:30 |
| [31d1] | i kick anyones ass at awk tho | 03:30 |
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| [31d1] | i do tons of shell and awk at work so im real good with that stuff, and i play with perl, and unfortunately i know too much php to be able to not use it | 03:31 |
| [31d1] | and im reading a lisp book | 03:31 |
| Deformative | I don't know any of those. | 03:31 |
| Deformative | I am very fluent at D, alright at java/c, and I know the very basics of scheme and erlang | 03:32 |
| [31d1] | i loves me some awk, but i end up using it for stuff that i should do in perl or something, but i get yelled at at work for writing perl | 03:32 |
| [31d1] | :( | 03:32 |
| Deformative | You should try D. :) | 03:33 |
| [31d1] | yeah, D sounds pretty awesome from the little i've heard about it | 03:33 |
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| [31d1] | i started programming so i could one day write audio sequencing stuff and years later i am still baffled by most of that stuff | 03:38 |
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| pupnik | we could use a simple multitrack song-idea-sketch app for the nokia | 03:46 |
| pupnik | 8 bar blocks, recorded from mic | 03:46 |
| pupnik | fringe app though | 03:46 |
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| Deformative | Gdc is compiling. | 03:51 |
| Deformative | :) | 03:51 |
| Deformative | Hope it works | 03:51 |
| Deformative | One of the best things about D is that is compiles VERY fast. | 03:52 |
| Deformative | So that should be GREAT for a low power device. | 03:52 |
| pupnik | what fantastic app have you written under d? url pls | 03:53 |
| bearclaw_ | Why would you care? You rarely if not never compile stuffs while using the device on battery | 03:53 |
| Deformative | pupnik: I am part of yage3d.net | 03:54 |
| pupnik | lets hope the next tablet has opengl support | 03:55 |
| pupnik | i have a great game that needs optimization - 3d - all software | 03:56 |
| Deformative | Ugh damnit. | 03:56 |
| Deformative | Build error | 03:56 |
| pupnik | nogravity | 03:57 |
| Deformative | It's not that great. | 03:58 |
| Deformative | I haven't had a longterm project yet. | 03:58 |
| pupnik | this world is full of awesome things you can do | 03:59 |
| pupnik | opportunities all over | 03:59 |
| Deformative | Everything has been done. | 03:59 |
| pupnik | not on the tablets! | 04:00 |
| Deformative | Yeah | 04:00 |
| Deformative | That's why I got one. | 04:00 |
| pupnik | if anyone here doesn't have something to do, let me know. | 04:00 |
| pupnik | lots of heroes in this channel | 04:02 |
| Deformative | I am porting gdc | 04:02 |
| Deformative | Then I am going to make some stuff I need, followed by a top down rewrite of things I have but do not function properly | 04:02 |
| Deformative | Huh? | 04:02 |
| pupnik | that's cool. i don't understand your motivations at all. but follow your muse etc | 04:02 |
| Deformative | Heh | 04:02 |
| pupnik | i don't understand the mono and python guys either | 04:04 |
| pupnik | but they all enrich the platform | 04:04 |
| pupnik | did you get scratchbox running? | 04:05 |
| Deformative | I had to install ubuntu | 04:06 |
| Deformative | But yes. | 04:06 |
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| [31d1] | please write midi sequencer/editor for 770 in D, pls, thx in advance | 04:15 |
| [31d1] | s/in D, // | 04:16 |
| infobot | [31d1] meant: please write midi sequencer/editor for 770 pls, thx in advance | 04:16 |
| bearclaw_ | nice feat | 04:17 |
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| pupnik | timidity is compiled, by me and somebody else | 04:18 |
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| solmumaha | yay, ruby bindings seem to work fine for simple things at least | 04:19 |
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| roundeye | any got a silc client working on a 770? | 07:29 |
| roundeye | anyone* | 07:29 |
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| roundeye | anyone here? | 07:41 |
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| roundeye | the maemo-gaim package claims to do slic but i cant not find the silc plugin anywhere | 08:03 |
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| pupnik | http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070730/hedges | 08:58 |
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| roundeye | anyone here got a silc client working on a 770? | 12:06 |
| roundeye | anyone here? | 12:14 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:21 |
| _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! | 12:21 |
| roundeye | hello guys | 12:22 |
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| rcknight | hello | 15:14 |
| _Monkey | hey, rcknight | 15:14 |
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| svu | Fatal server error: | 15:25 |
| svu | Caught signal 11. Server aborting | 15:25 |
| svu | arrgh | 15:25 |
| svu | Backtrace: | 15:25 |
| svu | 0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x94) [0x10093f14] | 15:25 |
| svu | 1: [0x100344] | 15:25 |
| svu | 2: /lib/libc.so.6(cfree+0xc8) [0xf4ff138] | 15:25 |
| svu | 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libGLcore.so(_mesa_free+0x24) [0xe794814] | 15:25 |
| svu | oops wrong channel :) | 15:28 |
| svu | sorry | 15:28 |
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| latzko | hi | 15:58 |
| latzko | A gtk question: how can I tell to a GtkToggleButton not to move its image when it toggled? rc property also welcome | 16:00 |
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| tko | latzko: GtkButton style property IIRC, child-offset something .. although you can't really affect the bitmaps used | 16:41 |
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| latzko | tko, thanks I will check | 16:46 |
| latzko | child-displacement-x /y what I want :) tnx again | 16:51 |
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| alterego | Anyone know what the soft poweroff function is in the power menu? | 17:49 |
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| alterego | Oh, instant on/off .. | 17:52 |
| alterego | Weird .. | 17:52 |
| tso | power plugged in? | 17:52 |
| alterego | Yes | 17:53 |
| alterego | Is that menu option dangerous? | 17:53 |
| tso | not sure what entry your refering to | 17:54 |
| tso | but when the power is plugged in, the device to not fully turn off, it just shuts down the desktop iirc | 17:54 |
| alterego | No, when I press the power button. There are now two options. "Reboot" and "Soft power off". | 17:55 |
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| alterego | They are there because I edited a file in /etc/systemui | 17:55 |
| alterego | I think the soft off has something to do with the 770's case cover. | 17:55 |
| alterego | So I don't think it does anything interesting on the N800 | 17:55 |
| alterego | I just thought the reboot function would be useful ;) | 17:56 |
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| wasabi | So... been wahile since I've screwed with my nokia... | 18:00 |
| wasabi | There a repository based distribution now, where updates are pushed without flashing? | 18:00 |
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| tso | repositories? | 18:08 |
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| _Monkey | repositories is probably http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 18:08 |
| tso | i think some updates can be done using repos, but i suspect it requires the app manager to be in red pill mode | 18:09 |
| bearclaw_ | ouch | 18:12 |
| bearclaw_ | pand -c 00:80:37:2E:32:D8 | 18:12 |
| bearclaw_ | Failed to open control socket: Protocol not supported | 18:12 |
| bearclaw_ | what am I missing? | 18:12 |
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| dick-richardson | Has anyone gotten webmin working? | 18:51 |
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| dick-richardson | Or can someone point me in the direction of a good iptables gui frontend? | 19:11 |
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| trevarthan | Is it a bad thing to have only 9M free in / on a 770? | 19:21 |
| TPC | well, depends on what you filled it with :P | 19:23 |
| * dwmw2_gone ♥ mmpc on the N800 | 19:29 | |
| dwmw2_gone | even if it is a PITA to find libglade2 for it :) | 19:29 |
| TPC | mmpc? | 19:30 |
| dwmw2_gone | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ | 19:30 |
| TPC | ah, MPD client | 19:31 |
| dwmw2_gone | I gave up on setting up my N800 when I first got it; too many things were missing from the EABI repositories and I was too lazy | 19:31 |
| dwmw2_gone | looks a bit better now. | 19:31 |
| * dwmw2_gone goes looking for pine | 19:32 | |
| TPC | personally I just ssh in and run moc in screen :P | 19:32 |
| TPC | or wait, not in screen, moc has background mode | 19:32 |
| TPC | so it doesn't strictly require screen (but I use it anyway) | 19:32 |
| TPC | and pine? thats blasphemy, everyone knows that mutt is better | 19:33 |
| * TPC runs | 19:33 | |
| dwmw2_gone | no, really. with mouse-in-xterm enabled on a touch screen, pine really is a whole lot nicer to use than _any_ other mail client I've ever tried | 19:33 |
| dwmw2_gone | you never need to use the keyboard, unless you actually want to compose a mail | 19:34 |
| dwmw2_gone | http://david.woodhou.se/maemo-pine.html | 19:34 |
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| dwmw2_gone | hm, that reminds me -- need gnome-ssh-askpass too | 19:35 |
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| TPC | is that something like ssh-agent? | 19:36 |
| dwmw2_gone | ssh-askpass just pops up and asks for the password/passphrase | 19:36 |
| dwmw2_gone | ssh uses it automatically if it has no controlling tty | 19:36 |
| TPC | ah | 19:36 |
| dwmw2_gone | you can see it in the first screenshot in the above link | 19:36 |
| TPC | sounds like ssh-askpass is a front end for ssh-agent then | 19:36 |
| TPC | since thats what ssh-agent does | 19:37 |
| dwmw2_gone | no | 19:37 |
| dwmw2_gone | ssh-agent caches keys for you | 19:37 |
| dwmw2_gone | not passwords/passphrases. | 19:37 |
| TPC | oh wait, now I see what you mean | 19:37 |
| dwmw2_gone | ssh-askpass is for interacting with the user | 19:37 |
| TPC | yeah, I get it now | 19:37 |
| TPC | what app do you use that uses ssh without a controling tty? | 19:37 |
| dwmw2_gone | evolution | 19:38 |
| dwmw2_gone | although not on the N800 :) | 19:38 |
| dwmw2_gone | pine, mutt, etc. | 19:38 |
| TPC | ok | 19:38 |
| dwmw2_gone | ssh $MAILSERVER exec imapd | 19:38 |
| dwmw2_gone | no need for running a separate imap dæmon and allowing password auth. | 19:38 |
| dwmw2_gone | and ssh can compress, too :) | 19:38 |
| TPC | yep | 19:38 |
| TPC | well, personally I would rather use ssh-agent and let it store my passphrase for a key, and just enter it once whenever I reboot the N800 | 19:39 |
| TPC | I think I'm gonna try to set that up | 19:39 |
| dwmw2_gone | yeah, I prefer to have both | 19:39 |
| TPC | hm.. I wonder what init script is best to start ssh-agent from | 19:41 |
| dwmw2_gone | was just poking | 19:41 |
| dwmw2_gone | needs to be in the X session startup, I think | 19:41 |
| TPC | probably the one that starts the window manager, but since I've only had my N800 I don't know which one that is | 19:42 |
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| dwmw2_gone | You could start it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d but you need its environment variables to be exported. | 19:43 |
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| dwmw2_gone | heh. It didn't like me stopping the X server :) | 19:45 |
| TPC | hehe | 19:45 |
| suihkulokki | dwmw2_gone: the env variables session stuff are set in various scripts in /etc/osso-af-init | 19:46 |
| suihkulokki | warning: you might end up blind looking at them | 19:46 |
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| dwmw2_gone | heh | 19:49 |
| dwmw2_gone | cool, so a script in there which just does eval `ssh-agent` should work | 19:49 |
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| TPC | otherwise it seems like .profile in the user home dir gets evaluated during boot | 19:54 |
| TPC | found this on the wiki: | 19:54 |
| TPC | if [ ! -d /tmp/ssh-sockets ]; then mkdir /tmp/ssh-sockets eval `/var/lib/install/bin/ssh-agent` | 19:54 |
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| dwmw2_gone | hahaha | 19:55 |
| suihkulokki | did you go blind? | 19:56 |
| roope | http://www.theinternetwalk.com/index.php ... | 19:56 |
| TPC | well, the path is wrong for ssh-agent | 19:56 |
| TPC | must be an old example | 19:56 |
| dwmw2_gone | nah, I'm just amused at having my own instructions quoted back at me :) | 19:57 |
| * dwmw2_gone tries doing it that way | 19:57 | |
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| TPC | so you wrote that on the wiki? hehe | 20:00 |
| dwmw2_gone | I see there's a version of pine there too :) | 20:01 |
| dwmw2_gone | but it's also oabi | 20:01 |
| dwmw2_gone | er, I think I broke it | 20:02 |
| dwmw2_gone | after adding that to .profile, it no longer starts :) | 20:02 |
| dwmw2_gone | or maybe it's because I added a 'dwmw2' user with the same uid as 'user' | 20:02 |
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| TPC | well, the ssh thing worked for me, so its probably the other thing | 20:03 |
| dwmw2_gone | pants. I'm sure that used to work | 20:03 |
| dwmw2_gone | now it just seems to reboot when it should be starting the UI, after the progress bar gets to 90% | 20:04 |
| dwmw2_gone | is there a way to fix that other than a complete reinstall? | 20:04 |
| TPC | hm.. | 20:05 |
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| TPC | while true; do ssh user@pdahost rm .profile; done | 20:05 |
| TPC | if you are really quick, since it starts the ssh server before it starts the UI | 20:05 |
| TPC | oh wait, its not the profile | 20:05 |
| TPC | I must be tired or something : | 20:06 |
| TPC | :P | 20:06 |
| dwmw2_gone | suppose I could grab the current filesystem with 0xFFFF, put /etc/passwd back how it was, then reflash | 20:06 |
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| TPC | hm.. it didn't work | 20:07 |
| TPC | it starts ssh-agent fine, but the environment doesn't get exported | 20:08 |
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| dwmw2_gone | it was definitely doing: | 20:08 |
| dwmw2_gone | eval `ssh-agent` | 20:08 |
| dwmw2_gone | ? | 20:08 |
| TPC | yes | 20:08 |
| dwmw2_gone | ah, I can boot with root on mmc | 20:08 |
| TPC | or wait, I'm stupid | 20:10 |
| TPC | let me reboot again | 20:10 |
| TPC | I justed lowercase 'ssh' when grepping for the environment variables, but it should obviously be uppercase | 20:11 |
| dwmw2_gone | gr, I have to rebuild the jffs2 kernel module for little-endian support | 20:11 |
| dwmw2_gone | what bloody stupid person made jffs2 host-endian on the medium? | 20:11 |
| TPC | hm.. turns out that I was right, it doesn't export the environment | 20:13 |
| TPC | I should probably switch to a better file system for my flash memory too, I FAT32 at the moment, not the best one to use | 20:14 |
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| TPC | there we go, I got it working | 20:20 |
| TPC | I made it write the environment to a file, which I then read from .profile every time | 20:20 |
| TPC | works for me at least since I only use ssh from xterm | 20:20 |
| TPC | but probably wouldn't work with no controlling tty | 20:20 |
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| TPC | hm.. what else fun can you do with ssh | 20:25 |
| TPC | sshfs would be nice | 20:25 |
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| Deformative | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-ar: libgcc/./_udivsi3.o: No such file or directory | 20:39 |
| Deformative | Has anyone ever had that build error? | 20:39 |
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| DRoBeR | Saludos | 20:48 |
| DRoBeR | Greetings | 20:48 |
| Deformative | DRoBeR: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-ar: libgcc/./_udivsi3.o: No such file or directory | 20:52 |
| Deformative | Ideas? | 20:53 |
| [31d1] | file is missing | 20:53 |
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| * [31d1] just woke up and thinks that was really funny thing to say | 20:53 | |
| Deformative | Heh. | 20:54 |
| DRoBeR | Nope :S | 20:54 |
| DRoBeR | I'm still waiting for my N800 -_- I never tried Maemo or N770/800 | 20:55 |
| DRoBeR | 2 days left... -_- | 20:55 |
| Deformative | Oh. | 20:55 |
| Deformative | Well, I am trying to outfit my 770 to make it my laptop replacement. | 20:55 |
| Deformative | All I need is a keyboard and compiler. | 20:56 |
| Deformative | I think. | 20:56 |
| Deformative | Oh, and some more storage. | 20:56 |
| DRoBeR | mmm I can start downloading maemo tools, Don't I? :) | 20:57 |
| Deformative | But if I get usb working I will be able to use flash drives. | 21:00 |
| Deformative | :D | 21:00 |
| DRoBeR | My laptop is an old IBM Thinkpad 760x... everything has more power than it.. | 21:00 |
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| alterego | Is it possible to backup the entire flash image so I can reinstate it later as-is ? | 21:12 |
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| bedboi | alterego: the best thinng is to put all things on the mmc | 21:21 |
| bedboi | and then dual boot | 21:21 |
| bedboi | and work on the mmc | 21:21 |
| alterego | Hmm .. | 21:21 |
| bedboi | doing dirty things and stuff | 21:21 |
| bedboi | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card | 21:22 |
| alterego | Yeah .. So it's not possible to create images from mtd devices? | 21:22 |
| alterego | ~the mtd devices :) | 21:22 |
| suihkulokki | well.. not while they are mounted | 21:22 |
| alterego | Obviously, I was wondering if the flasher did that .. | 21:22 |
| suihkulokki | but if you boot from mmc then you could just dd them (in theory) | 21:22 |
| suihkulokki | flasher: no | 21:23 |
| alterego | Hm .. | 21:23 |
| alterego | Well, basically I want to play with sardine | 21:23 |
| alterego | Is it possible to install that onto an SD card? | 21:23 |
| bedboi | yep | 21:24 |
| bedboi | of course | 21:24 |
| alterego | Oh, well. That solves that problem then ;) | 21:24 |
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| pupnik | bedboi, do you have the multiboot howto? | 22:04 |
| Deformative | Has anyone here done the usb power hack? | 22:06 |
| alterego | USB power hack? | 22:09 |
| alterego | You mean powered HUB? | 22:10 |
| Deformative | Or the injector. | 22:13 |
| Deformative | Either one. | 22:13 |
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| pupnik | soldering iron | 22:21 |
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| * pupnik is building boost | 22:24 | |
| pupnik | been going for -- 6 hours now on an athlon 2800xp :/ | 22:25 |
| suihkulokki | imagine native compiling it | 22:27 |
| hircus | suihkulokki: imagine native-compiling KDE4! (it requires boost, I think) | 22:28 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 22:29 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 22:29 |
| pupnik | lots of errors too :/ | 22:30 |
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| Deformative | So no one here has done the usb hack? | 22:34 |
| lle2 | sure | 22:36 |
| Deformative | You have? | 22:37 |
| lle2 | I'm positive I'm not the only one | 22:37 |
| * alterego thinks it's easier to partition the SD/MMC using the USB cable and a computer .. | 22:38 | |
| Deformative | Did you do the Soldered one or non? | 22:38 |
| lle2 | uh, it was just a modification of a Targus usb hub | 22:39 |
| Deformative | This one? http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=PA | 22:41 |
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| lle2 | looked like this one: http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=PA050U | 22:43 |
| lle2 | but of course it may have changed quite a bit | 22:43 |
| pupnik | speaking of soldering. http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/mids/img_3013.jpg cute lady with soldering iron | 22:43 |
| Deformative | Well, I am going to try this, so I am trying to get as much info as possible | 22:44 |
| Deformative | Did you use a battery powered or plugged in hub/ | 22:44 |
| Deformative | Did said hub provide upstream power? | 22:44 |
| lle2 | it's a powered hub | 22:45 |
| Deformative | Powered hubs do not always provide upstream unless I am mistaken. | 22:46 |
| lle2 | this one doesn't | 22:46 |
| Deformative | Also, battery or wall outlet? | 22:46 |
| lle2 | wall | 22:46 |
| lle2 | if I understood what you mean by upstream | 22:46 |
| Deformative | Well then, how did you get the nokia working? From what I understand it needs power flowing into it. | 22:47 |
| Deformative | Oh, I guess you can take power from one of the outlets. | 22:47 |
| * lle2 is confused | 22:47 | |
| Deformative | Can you draw an example of what you did? | 22:48 |
| lle2 | I think they are floating somewhere in the interweb | 22:48 |
| Deformative | I have read several. | 22:49 |
| lle2 | somebody at nokia came up with the procedure and then everybody just copied, me included | 22:49 |
| Deformative | But they are all different. | 22:49 |
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| alterego | I can't install tar, it'll remove half of my system :/ | 23:00 |
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| pupnik | lazy problem report insufficient for assistance | 23:03 |
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| dwmw2_gone | ok, pine works nicely now | 23:10 |
| * dwmw2_gone tries to remember how he persuaded xterm on the N770 to interpret the middle of the rocker switch as _enter_, not bring up the virtual keyboard | 23:11 | |
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| pupnik | if you remember, please post here | 23:15 |
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| alterego | You can do it with the input settings. | 23:17 |
| alterego | But that's global. | 23:17 |
| alterego | You just disable the thumb keypad. | 23:17 |
| alterego | Anyhow ... rsync isn't installed on my device .. | 23:18 |
| alterego | How am I supposed to copy meh rootfs ! | 23:18 |
| pupnik | boot to another partition | 23:18 |
| alterego | O_o | 23:19 |
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| pupnik | or use the rootfs duplication howto | 23:19 |
| alterego | Which uses rsync .. | 23:19 |
| Hyperion2010 | anyone know if the latest firmware has fixed issues with SD card bricking? | 23:19 |
| mvhtest | the latest firmware causes "bricking"... | 23:20 |
| Hyperion2010 | bah | 23:20 |
| Hyperion2010 | also, does anyone know if java for mobile phones has been ported yet? | 23:21 |
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| dwmw2_gone | alterego: disabling the thumb keypad doesn't suffice. | 23:22 |
| alterego | Hmm | 23:22 |
| dwmw2_gone | that disabled the thumb keypad, perhaps unsurprisingly, but the keyboard does still come up | 23:22 |
| dwmw2_gone | I worked it out -- to make the middle rocker button map to enter, I have to attach the bluetooth keyboard :) | 23:23 |
| dwmw2_gone | which is kind of suboptimal :) | 23:23 |
| dwmw2_gone | the virtual keyboard also pops up every time I tap on the screen in xterm | 23:23 |
| alterego | You can use xset | 23:23 |
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| pupnik | building boost with g++-3.4 and gcc-3.4 is not working... | 23:25 |
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| Deformative | Has anyone here built gcc in scratchbox? | 23:26 |
| pupnik | not i | 23:27 |
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| dwmw2_gone | hm, xset doesn't seem to be in the bt plugin any more | 23:30 |
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| dwmw2_gone | ok, xmodmap work | 23:39 |
| dwmw2_gone | still pops up when I tap on the screen, but I suppose it has to come up _some_ time :) | 23:40 |
| pupnik | I would have preferred a dedicated vkbd button, that just brings up a generic xkbd | 23:40 |
| dwmw2_gone | yeah | 23:41 |
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| DRoBeR | Em, I'm following http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-3-x--bora-.html and when I try to install the maemo-explicit package it leaves this message "E: Package pkg-config has no installation candidate | 23:54 |
| DRoBeR | " | 23:54 |
| DRoBeR | :S | 23:54 |
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| Deformative | What is the differences between the compilers for scratchbox? | 23:57 |
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