| qgil | http://code.google.com/soc/maemo/mentors.html who can see this page? everybody? mentors? just me? (thanks) | 00:00 |
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| tigert | that is strange | 00:00 |
| tigert | "You are not authorized to view this page." | 00:00 |
| Tak | I are not authorized to view this page. | 00:00 |
| qgil | even if logged in Google | 00:00 |
| MDK | qgil: can't see ("You are not authorized to view this page.") | 00:00 |
| rhsanborn | tigert, aye, either the radio has gone bad (doubt it, its still getting wireless signal) or something got pooched in the software (OS?) | 00:00 |
| Tak | I'm logged in | 00:00 |
| MDK | yes, even when logged | 00:00 |
| qgil | oook, thanks - there are lots of mentors there, I recognize most of them but not all | 00:01 |
| daniels | tigert: try now | 00:01 |
| daniels | tigert: make sure you copy that exactly right | 00:01 |
| qgil | I'll send an email to sanitize the list, sorry if I make waste the time of some of you insiders... | 00:01 |
| tigert | http://www.fooishbar.org/packages/randr-1.2/ edgy/$(ARCH)/ | 00:03 |
| tigert | ? | 00:03 |
| tigert | you had a linebreak on your message so I am not sure | 00:03 |
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| rhsanborn | You can format the 800 back to factory, right? | 00:08 |
| MDK | you can reflash it | 00:10 |
| rhsanborn | MDK, think thats going to be the next step, thanks | 00:11 |
| rhsanborn | BAH!!! got it | 00:11 |
| rhsanborn | Had to turn it off and remove the battery | 00:11 |
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| daniels | tigert: correct, try now | 00:26 |
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| bipolar | kkito: ping | 00:27 |
| tigert | daniels: wilco | 00:28 |
| tigert | yea, fetches nicely now | 00:28 |
| tigert | daniels: so should I do something about xorg.conf? | 00:29 |
| tigert | or just leave it out? | 00:29 |
| tigert | or do you have some nice one to start from? | 00:29 |
| tigert | okay | 00:30 |
| tigert | installed | 00:30 |
| tigert | should I restart X and see what happens, or..? | 00:30 |
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| tigert | X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so: undefined symbol: drmSetServerInfo | 00:55 |
| tigert | hmm | 00:55 |
| * tigert installs libdrm2 | 00:55 | |
| daniels | tigert: sorry, been hitting the x.org wiki | 00:57 |
| daniels | tigert: you can just delete xorg.conf, yeah | 00:57 |
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| tigert | beeeeautiful | 00:59 |
| tigert | X :1 | 00:59 |
| tigert | it just works :D | 00:59 |
| tigert | awesome cloned 1680x1050 without any tweaks | 01:00 |
| tigert | is there some tool to switch to dualhead etcetera? | 01:00 |
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| daniels | tigert: yep, use xrandr | 01:01 |
| daniels | tigert: xrandr --output LVDS --off, i think xrandr --auto will set up dual head as well, but i'm not entirely sure tbh | 01:01 |
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| Tak | aww, and I went to the trouble to copy over my xorg.conf from a previous install | 01:02 |
| * bipolar wants to know how the kde work is comming along.... | 01:02 | |
| tigert | hm, it defaults to US keymap | 01:02 |
| * tigert wonders if there is a gnome setting for this or what | 01:02 | |
| tigert | but this works beautifully | 01:03 |
| daniels | tigert: yeah, system->preferences->keyboard | 01:03 |
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| tigert | neat | 01:04 |
| tigert | so, does this do dualhead easily too? | 01:04 |
| tigert | and how does it work if I want to switch to lcd again and turn off the other one? | 01:05 |
| tigert | just --output LVDS --on ? | 01:05 |
| daniels | yeah, i think so | 01:06 |
| daniels | maybe xrandr --output vga --right-of lvds --auto --on, to do dual-head? | 01:07 |
| florian | hmmm... are not 1680x1050 a little bit low amount of pixels for 22"? | 01:07 |
| bipolar | florian: sounds like a widescreen | 01:07 |
| tigert | it is a widescreen | 01:07 |
| tigert | and not very dense one | 01:08 |
| florian | i have 1600x1024 in 17" and feel the pixels should be smaller | 01:08 |
| tigert | but for 400 euros I am happy with this | 01:08 |
| tigert | its nice for videos and doing some graphics work | 01:09 |
| Tak | well, if you extrapolate the n800 dpi, it should be about 2800x1575 | 01:11 |
| florian | heh | 01:12 |
| daniels | you laugh, but samsung (i think) used to make a 204dpi 30" screen | 01:13 |
| tigert | yeah | 01:15 |
| tigert | those are insane | 01:15 |
| tigert | this is samsung but its not exactly that dpi :) | 01:15 |
| tigert | but man, elephant's dream HD version looks awesome in this size :) | 01:16 |
| tigert | (the Blender movie) | 01:16 |
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| tigert | resolution: 90x88 dots per inch | 01:17 |
| tigert | but its pretty good thing anyway, good for the eyes :) | 01:17 |
| tigert | and good contrast | 01:17 |
| florian | ok, that's about what my ipaq makes... that's ok :) | 01:18 |
| tigert | yep | 01:18 |
| tigert | its the "regular monitor" range | 01:18 |
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| rhsanborn | Has anyone had the problem where their BT keybord sort of freezes up and spams the screen with the last key presseD? | 01:22 |
| jku | rhsanborn, that was a common complaint from users of some keyboards and 770 | 01:23 |
| jku | common == read it more than once somewhere | 01:24 |
| daniels | yeah, it's hard (i.e. impossible) to fix with our current keyboard architecture, sadly | 01:24 |
| daniels | it'll be fixed in some future sw update, when we move to an evdev driver in x and in-kernel repeating, but not anytime soon | 01:24 |
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| rhsanborn | If so, do you know what it indicates? (Change settings? Change battery?) | 01:24 |
| rhsanborn | bah, its been driving me nuts. I'm trying to write a paper in vim, and every 5th word it does that | 01:24 |
| daniels | rhsanborn: turn your microwave off ;) | 01:25 |
| daniels | rhsanborn: basically, it means the keyrelease was lost, so you've either got some bad interference, or a low battery, i guess | 01:25 |
| rhsanborn | Bah | 01:25 |
| daniels | i can see how a stuck key would be a bad thing in vim ... | 01:25 |
| rhsanborn | I'm going to try the battery. And yes, the vim thing is making me mad | 01:26 |
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| daniels | MDK: do you make all that sushi? | 01:35 |
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| tigert | hmm | 01:46 |
| tigert | how do I turn on this laptop lcd again? | 01:46 |
| tigert | anyway, time to sleep | 01:46 |
| tigert | will play more tomorrow | 01:46 |
| tigert | thanks a lot! | 01:47 |
| tigert | will think about the logo, hopefully I get ideas soon | 01:47 |
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| daniels | tigert: xrandr --output LVDS --auto should do it | 01:53 |
| daniels | tigert: no worries :) | 01:53 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows if a port of tor for maemo is in planning? | 01:56 |
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| Markov | hello! | 03:41 |
| unique311 | whats up | 03:44 |
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| Markov | do you know where i can dl themes? | 03:49 |
| Markov | is there a repository somewhere? | 03:49 |
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| unique311 | not sure | 03:55 |
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| unique311 | Think my n800 has a bug | 04:00 |
| unique311 | everytime i install a new app. my background image diasappears. | 04:00 |
| unique311 | and i have to reapply it | 04:00 |
| unique311 | help me howard | 04:00 |
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| Markov | reboot? reflash? | 04:18 |
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| unique311 | anyone around now? | 05:14 |
| unique311 | this is probably the biggest channel i've ever been in. and no one is chatting...hmm guess everyone is developing.. | 05:15 |
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| bhima | I screwwwed up my maemo mapper preferennces. | 05:26 |
| bhima | It won't start up. | 05:26 |
| bhima | and I caan't find where they are stored. | 05:26 |
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| Markov | what video codecs does the n800 support? | 06:56 |
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| Markov | bueno? | 07:36 |
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| Markov[N800] | yay! | 07:38 |
| febb_ | hola again Markov | 07:38 |
| febb_ | having trouble....uh? | 07:39 |
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| febb_ | hi greentux | 07:48 |
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| jku | bhima: gconf (/apps/maemo/maemo-mapper/) | 09:39 |
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| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1147/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview14.deb | 10:32 |
| konttori | New version of UK MP released (media player that rocks) | 10:32 |
| robtaylor | konttori: hey, i'm just about to build some python-coherence debs for bora... | 10:35 |
| konttori | ahh... cool. | 10:35 |
| konttori | I've tested UK MP now with 5.1 GB of music and 1024 files. I see no reason why it couldn't handle pretty much anything a upnp system can give to it. (although I may be seriously mistaken about that ;)) | 10:36 |
| konttori | SO, coherence integration sounds wonderfull ... at some point. Now ... debugging the local file based system | 10:37 |
| robtaylor | rock | 10:37 |
| robtaylor | :) | 10:37 |
| konttori | I need help on getting bug reports (preferable tested on latest version and with xterm copy paste) - urho.konttori@gmail.com | 10:38 |
| robtaylor | you can have fun figureing a nice interface for uploading songs to a media server | 10:38 |
| konttori | but now I have to run. | 10:38 |
| konttori | Oh, is it possible that way as well? | 10:38 |
| konttori | cool. | 10:38 |
| robtaylor | will be:) | 10:38 |
| konttori | cool. | 10:39 |
| MDK | daniels: yes I do | 10:40 |
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| robtaylor | has anyone ported python-central for bora yet? | 10:49 |
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| koen|lab | robtaylor: maybe Luciano is working on it? | 10:50 |
| robtaylor | koen|lab: i just found in logs that jamey did it :) | 10:53 |
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| robtaylor | koen|lab: its all slightly smelly for mameo, cos of scratchbox | 10:55 |
| robtaylor | jamey: ping? | 10:55 |
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| koen|lab | robtaylor: the indt people loathe sb for python stuff, since they never know for sure if it's running host tools or emulated tools | 10:56 |
| koen|lab | robtaylor: they switched to full emulation under qemu | 10:56 |
| robtaylor | koen|lab: i'm not really suprised | 10:57 |
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| dev | konttori: there won't be a big difference, just the input for SongProcessor will change a bit | 10:58 |
| robtaylor | koen|lab: i've had so many weird issues appear in sb cos of things like that :/ | 10:58 |
| robtaylor | dev: hey :) | 10:58 |
| dev | and good morning btw | 10:58 |
| konttori_ | dev: Sorry. I must have missed something. What will change in songprocessor? | 11:04 |
| dev | the input, from file-system to some xml | 11:04 |
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| konttori_ | ah.. You mean in media player? | 11:05 |
| dev | yes | 11:05 |
| konttori_ | from switching to use coherence instead of local files. Yeah. True enough! | 11:06 |
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| konttori_ | And then the playing is probably a little different | 11:06 |
| dev | not really | 11:07 |
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| daniels | MDK: nice | 11:11 |
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| tigert | daniels: heya | 11:17 |
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| daniels | tigert: yo | 11:21 |
| tigert | so it worked nicely at home, | 11:22 |
| tigert | then I came to work and unsuspended and it said 1400xsomething is available in the gnome res applet | 11:22 |
| tigert | once I booted with the big tft it gave me 1600x1200 | 11:23 |
| robtaylor | daniels: yo mofo, sup? | 11:23 |
| daniels | tigert: would you believe i just woke up? i'll be there to poke it in half an hour ish. emphasis on the 'ish'. ;) | 11:25 |
| daniels | robtaylor: nommuch, you? just trying to fix the x.org wiki | 11:25 |
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| robtaylor | daniels: not much either, did some thinking about ohm and screenblanking last night.. | 11:26 |
| tigert | daniels: :) | 11:30 |
| MDK | tigert: I don't get it, does it work or not? | 11:30 |
| daniels | robtaylor: oh? | 11:31 |
| MDK | I have this problem with my t43/ATI, that it doesn't work too good with DVI and suspend | 11:31 |
| robtaylor | daniels: well, its slightly non obvious how to get a system daemon to know about the active session blanking | 11:32 |
| MDK | when I suspend when connected to tft, it'll not give me picture when brought back to live without tft/dvi connection | 11:32 |
| daniels | robtaylor: hmm | 11:32 |
| daniels | robtaylor: well, if we all use the magical kernel modesetting interface, i guess it could come from there | 11:32 |
| daniels | MDK: i can believe that | 11:33 |
| robtaylor | daniels: i guess that won't work in the general case,will it? | 11:33 |
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| tigert | MDK: it works | 11:35 |
| tigert | MDK: but it had some small glitch | 11:35 |
| Sonej | Anyone using irssi on the n800? | 11:35 |
| tigert | Sonej: yes, but not on the n800 | 11:35 |
| tigert | Sonej: N800 > ssh > screen > irssi | 11:35 |
| tigert | on my home box | 11:35 |
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| Sonej | Okey, irssi is so slick i would want it on the 800. | 11:37 |
| tigert | well, essentially I have "irssi on the N800" | 11:39 |
| tigert | even though it runs over ssh | 11:39 |
| tigert | the bonus is dont need to disconnect from irc all the time | 11:39 |
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| Sonej | true, but i dont have a computer for that | 11:39 |
| daniels | robtaylor: in the future, when we all have flying cars ... | 11:39 |
| Sonej | Is there like an easy way to gain root? | 11:40 |
| tigert | Sonej: yes | 11:40 |
| tigert | r&d mode, or | 11:40 |
| tigert | redpill mode in app installer, install ssh and xterm | 11:41 |
| bergie | sshing is easiest I think | 11:41 |
| tigert | then ssh root@localhost; passwd is "rootme" | 11:41 |
| tigert | and change it | 11:41 |
| tigert | for obvious reasons | 11:41 |
| tigert | bergie: heya | 11:41 |
| tigert | hows the conf? | 11:41 |
| bergie | they're speaking in norwegian ;-) | 11:42 |
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| Sonej | hmm will check it out, Redpill is an application? | 11:43 |
| bergie | Sonej: no, it is mode in application manager which enables you to install all packages instead of just regular desktop apps | 11:44 |
| Okko | Sonej: Irssi is available for the older IT OS 2006, http://downloads.maemo.org/product/irssi, and it might work on N800 too | 11:44 |
| Sonej | Will look in to it | 11:44 |
| bergie | Sonej: I believe Redpill is not even needed anymore. You can just go to Application manager settings and check the "Show all packages" box | 11:45 |
| tigert | bergie: oh ok | 11:45 |
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| bergie | Redpill is a fun idea, though :-) | 11:46 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:46 |
| bergie | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html | 11:47 |
| Sonej | just got it activated | 11:47 |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! | 11:49 |
| konttori_ | dev: so, you had a look at the code. Not too cleat ATM. ;) Anyway, do you actually mean that I can just use gstreamer to access the unpn stuff? | 11:49 |
| * konttori_ is not very well informed in the science of upnp | 11:49 | |
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| Okko | Sonej: I was told that you should be careful with it, some packages available in the Red pill mode may be broken. | 11:50 |
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| dev | konttori: yeah, it may need a bit of polishing - but which code doesn't? | 11:52 |
| konttori_ | Indeed. Yeah, and user interface stuff has to abviously be written, so a bit of tuning in the backend will probably feel like a walk in the park | 11:53 |
| Sonej | Okko, i will, thnx | 11:53 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: how fast does your ui run on the N800? ispython a lot less painful now? | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:59 |
| jonek | re | 12:01 |
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| konttori_ | robTaylor: Ui runs pretty nicely. I think python rocks on maemo. I feel that whatever lagging is going on in media player, it's my fault, not pythons. | 12:20 |
| konttori_ | robtaylor: I'll try to do optimization in the next few days, so I'm looking forward to how much more I can sqeeze from pygame | 12:28 |
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| robtaylor | konttori_: cool stuff :) | 12:32 |
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| mikemorrison | would anyone know why my icon is not showing up in the task navigator on the n800, yet it shows up in the scratchbox? | 12:44 |
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| konttori_ | robtaylor: have you been thinking about doing something in python? | 13:28 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: naa, just interested in how its looking | 13:29 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: maybe porting telepathy-msn to the n800 | 13:29 |
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| jonek | does anybody know how Google decides in SoC how many 'slots' a mentoring organisation will get? is it just #mentoringOrganisations/600? | 13:39 |
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| jonek | if we have, let's say 7 slots given by google but 10 proposals with mentors how do we decide which proposal will get a slot if there are some with equal score at the lower end?? | 13:41 |
| jonek | bbl | 13:42 |
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| jku_ | jonek, I guess you'll just have to score them so they aren't all at the same score? | 14:09 |
| jku_ | the slot algorithm is not as simple as you described, I bet the quality of the applications matters -- why else would they let you score them before the slots are decided? | 14:11 |
| jku_ | They won't be reading thousands of applications at Google, but I can imagine them reading the ones on the "line"... | 14:14 |
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| * konttori_ got UKMP project accepted to garage. Sources will appear in the evening. Thanks Nokia! | 14:21 | |
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| jamey | hi robtaylor | 14:37 |
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| jamey | yes, I ported python-central and python-support to bora | 14:38 |
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| jamey | and python-defaults, lsb, zope and twisted | 14:38 |
| jamey | they are in deb http://repository.nrcc.noklab.com/ bora extras | 14:39 |
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| robtaylor | jamey: brilliant | 14:49 |
| robtaylor | jamey: do i need to hack anything in scratchbox to get it work? | 14:50 |
| jamey | I'm not sure. Along the way, I removed /scratchbox/tools/bin/python and edited all the scratchbox scripts to invoke /scratchbox/tools/bin/python2.3 directly. | 14:51 |
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| jamey | Just removing /scratchbox/tools/bin/python works but the scripts run slowly because they run the ARM binary | 14:51 |
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| robtaylor | jamey: hmm, do i need any other apt repos as well? | 14:52 |
| robtaylor | indt? | 14:53 |
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| jamey | no, just the standard bora ones plus this one. Is it not finding something? | 14:55 |
| jamey | let me check to be sure | 14:55 |
| robtaylor | i've just watched apt-get -f install delete half my system =) | 14:55 |
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| jamey | Hmm. I am sorry to hear that. Did it say why? | 14:58 |
| robtaylor | Package pkg-config has no installation candidate | 14:58 |
| jamey | in scratchbox or on n800? | 14:58 |
| robtaylor | scratchbox | 14:59 |
| jamey | should be using 'pkg-config from Scratchbox' | 14:59 |
| robtaylor | well, yes. not sure what's supposed to fulfil the package dependancy though :/ | 15:00 |
| Sonej | isent .m4a supported on the n800? cant play it | 15:01 |
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| jamey | for me, scratchbox dpkg --list shows 'ii pkg-config 0.15.0+virtual1 pkg-config from Scratchbox' | 15:01 |
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| robtaylor | i'll extract a new rootfs.. | 15:03 |
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| robtaylor | jamey: i hadn't built the virtual packages, serves me right for not reading the docs fully... | 16:15 |
| robtaylor | jamey: but now i have python-support: Depends: python2.5 (>= 2.4.3-10) but it is not installable | 16:15 |
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| pwille | Anyone got last.fm working on a n800? | 16:17 |
| cosmo__ | is there a client? | 16:18 |
| pwille | donno | 16:19 |
| pwille | flash player on the last.fm website does not seem to work in opera | 16:20 |
| robtaylor | jamey: also the Depends in question looks a bit odd: Depends: python2.5 (>= 2.4.3-10) | 16:22 |
| jamey | robtaylor, well, all of the python2.5 packages will have version greater than 2.4.3... | 16:23 |
| jamey | In some cases, I changes dependences on python to python2.5 and removed the version dependence, but othertimes I left it alone to minimize editing. | 16:24 |
| jamey | python2.5 is not installable or python-support is not installable? | 16:24 |
| Okko | pwille: haven't tried, but you could try minimo? | 16:24 |
| robtaylor | jamey: ah, its that i had bora/extras but not extras/bora | 16:25 |
| jamey | oh right -- the python feed has a funny name | 16:26 |
| robtaylor | yeah, think i've got it all now | 16:27 |
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| pwille | Okko: I'll try minimo | 16:28 |
| AndrewGearhart | curiosity... does anybody know if USB-to-go requires different hardware... or just different drivers. | 16:28 |
| robtaylor | jamey: thanks :) | 16:28 |
| jamey | yay! | 16:28 |
| jamey | AndrewGearhart, different hardware than just host or device controller | 16:29 |
| AndrewGearhart | jamey: boo | 16:29 |
| jamey | AndrewGearhart, essentially requires both host and device controller and drivers to go with that | 16:29 |
| jamey | though some controllers can be talked into doing both even though not originally designed to do so | 16:29 |
| jamey | AndrewGearhart, which hardware are you interested in? | 16:30 |
| jamey | asking about that is | 16:30 |
| AndrewGearhart | I heard rumors ... that the N800 is being massaged to try to do USB2go | 16:30 |
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| jamey | N800 supports on the go USB | 16:31 |
| jamey | both hardware and drivers | 16:31 |
| AndrewGearhart | *really*? | 16:31 |
| jamey | N770 did as well but you needed a powered hub | 16:31 |
| AndrewGearhart | hmmm.... | 16:32 |
| jamey | so I have been told. Have not verified with N800. | 16:32 |
| * AndrewGearhart starts pondering what he can do with it. | 16:32 | |
| X-Fade | AFAIK there are no driver for N800 yet. | 16:32 |
| AndrewGearhart | X-Fade: that was my understanding from the rumor I'd heard (FOF) | 16:33 |
| cosmo__ | does N800 need usb power injection? | 16:33 |
| tigert | afaik yes | 16:35 |
| AndrewGearhart | cosmo__: obviously... it would depend on the device you're connecting. | 16:36 |
| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ garage? :( | 16:41 |
| * timeless is trying to find out why various new projects don't seem to have svn repos | 16:41 | |
| bergie | timeless: garage is cron-based, so there is a bit of delay | 16:41 |
| timeless | bergie: sure, but created projects, once they're created? at what point do they get an svn repo? | 16:42 |
| timeless | oh, and boy do i hate gforge | 16:42 |
| Okko | jamey: http://test.maemo.org/support/roadmap.html "USB host support" is listed in the "Planned features" | 16:42 |
| timeless | the permanently delete project link is infinitely wide | 16:42 |
| timeless | whose bright idea was that? | 16:43 |
| bergie | timeless: when you register/approve a project, that stuff only enters things in a DB | 16:43 |
| bergie | then there are cron scripts that watch the DB and create repositories, accounts and other things | 16:43 |
| timeless | ah | 16:43 |
| pwille | Okko: No luck in Minimo (with last.fm) | 16:43 |
| timeless | i don't suppose there's an easy way to watch that cron script? :) | 16:43 |
| bergie | it is kind of clean architecture, but means delays | 16:43 |
| Okko | pwille: bummer :( | 16:44 |
| bergie | timeless: not AFAIK | 16:44 |
| Okko | pwille: but I guess the problem is at last.fm's end then if they don't support standards. | 16:44 |
| bergie | if things are not happening as they should in garage then maybe ferenc can take a look there | 16:44 |
| pwille | Okko: Yah. Nokia even shows last.fm on a n800 in one of their commercials (internetwalk or something) | 16:45 |
| robtaylor | jamey: do you also have plans for python-minimal? i notied its in your repo, but python2.5-minimal doesnt seem to be availaible anywhere | 16:45 |
| pwille | Okko: i think its a flash player problem | 16:45 |
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| Okko | pwille: I've ended up in some sites that have redirected me to a flash player download page.. it then suggests the linux player for N800.. :) | 16:47 |
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| Okko | even though the N800 already has flash | 16:48 |
| pwille | Okko: :( | 16:49 |
| daniels | Okko: that's because some sites are crap and test on the user-agent | 16:54 |
| daniels | if it's not ie or firefox, they get confused | 16:54 |
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| robtaylor | waaaa. why can't we have a decent version of debhelper in sbox? | 16:58 |
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| ross | so i'm trying to build stuff with sbox and the maemo3.0 arm rootstrap | 17:12 |
| robtaylor | hey ross | 17:14 |
| ross | hi ro | 17:14 |
| ross | bah | 17:14 |
| ross | anway | 17:14 |
| ross | i get this: | 17:14 |
| ross | Checking for required M4 macros... | 17:14 |
| ross | libtool.m4 not found | 17:14 |
| ross | intltool.m4 not found | 17:14 |
| ross | pkg.m4 not found | 17:14 |
| ross | gtk-doc.m4 not found | 17:14 |
| ross | scratchbox should be providing those | 17:14 |
| ross | and this used to work | 17:14 |
| robtaylor | ross:did you install your target using the new script, or manually? | 17:15 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: since we are told to be sarge compatible.. | 17:15 |
| ross | robtaylor: the magic script | 17:15 |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: well, thats the most useless thing ever | 17:15 |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: esp as tehre no way to be sarge compatible as sarge didn't have armel | 17:16 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: in fact I included debhelper 5.0 into the original unofficial sbox 1.0 armel devkit | 17:16 |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: and some boss-man started wibbling? ;) | 17:17 |
| maddler | hi all! | 17:17 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: that's one way to put it :P | 17:18 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: however, the next debian devkit shall have a full selection of etch tools | 17:18 |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: very cool :) | 17:19 |
| robtaylor | suihkulokki: whats the ETA of that? | 17:19 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: when it's ready :) | 17:20 |
| suihkulokki | robtaylor: I think the stuff is already committed and there is some unnoficial build floating around | 17:21 |
| robster | ross: i just hacked them in from elsewhere | 17:21 |
| robtaylor | ross: yeah, i'm bemused too, some of those should be in scratchbox-core and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm too | 17:21 |
| ross | robster: the things i go through to make eds-dbus | 17:21 |
| robster | ross: they are all in scratchbox just not in the right directory | 17:21 |
| robtaylor | well, actually they are, but dont appear on the fs | 17:21 |
| robtaylor | ah | 17:21 |
| robster | ross: dpkg -S is your friend | 17:21 |
| robster | ross: and then just copy them in | 17:22 |
| robtaylor | or ln -s /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/arch_tools/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 etc | 17:22 |
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| robtaylor | suihkulokki: is this a case of a missing file-copy stage? | 17:23 |
| robster | robtaylor: indeed. | 17:24 |
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| Tak | I think somebody beat you to it | 17:56 |
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| AndrewGearhart | anybody ever run a localhost web server w/ php and sql on their n800 / n770? | 17:57 |
| AndrewGearhart | i'm imagining thttpd (w/ php) and sqlLite | 17:57 |
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| jamey | robtaylor, I packaged python-minimal but did not test it. It appears to have bad dependence. Should be easy to fix. | 18:18 |
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| Knowledge_ | so no one else has the white background issue when they launch (only) the app installer in full screen for a while? I think it's a bug... | 18:19 |
| Knowledge_ | unless it's because I didn't format my MMC card...after updating my firmware and redoing the Boot from MMC. | 18:19 |
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| Knowledge_ | ohhhh....WSOD...white screen of death... | 18:22 |
| Knowledge_ | no wait, that's something else. | 18:22 |
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| bipolar | kkito: how's it going? | 18:29 |
| Sonej | m4a files encoded by iTunes is not working, right? | 18:29 |
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| sp3000 | the m4a I've had came from garageband I suppose, those worked | 18:33 |
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| melmoth_ | :))))) | 18:46 |
| melmoth_ | oups | 18:46 |
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| AndrewGearhart | if I did boot from MMC... theoretically... it would require less "flashing" of the main device... correct? | 19:17 |
| AndrewGearhart | well... would eliminate it essentially... | 19:17 |
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| jamey | robtaylor, I guess there is not a python2.5-minimal. Should I cheat and have python-minimal depend on python2.5? | 20:29 |
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| robtaylor | jamey: hmm, i guess thats a possibility | 20:34 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: youe work on pymaemo, right? | 20:39 |
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| aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: yes, and luck too.. | 20:47 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: any plans for python2.5-minimal | 20:48 |
| robtaylor | ? | 20:48 |
| aCiDBaSe | no, we don't have plans for this, but we can think about this... | 20:50 |
| wontan76_ | stupid question, what is the main interest in python for nokias | 20:50 |
| wontan76_ | some kind of glue language | 20:50 |
| wontan76_ | or end user python-pygtk apps | 20:50 |
| ptman | wontan76_: more applications | 20:50 |
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| ptman | wontan76_: lower the step for creating applications | 20:51 |
| wontan76_ | ah thanks. | 20:51 |
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| ptman | I don't know what it officially is, but that's my guess | 20:51 |
| bill20r3 | http://www.xmission.com/help/publishing/cgi-email/ | 20:51 |
| bill20r3 | d'oh | 20:51 |
| ptman | I wouldn't touch C, but python lets me do stuff where speed isn't critical | 20:52 |
| wontan76_ | again n00b question: what is the preferred gui library for python on nokia? | 20:53 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: if i get a load of packages building, would you include them in your repo? | 20:53 |
| wontan76_ | Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 88,000 for pygtk maemo. | 20:53 |
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| maddler | evening... | 22:12 |
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| timeless | hello world | 22:23 |
| timeless | could someone please explain how application manager or maemo-af-desktop decides which menu to stick an application into? | 22:23 |
| maddler | it's defined in the .deb | 22:24 |
| timeless | specifically? | 22:24 |
| maddler | can't recall... :( | 22:25 |
| maddler | there was something in the wiki... | 22:25 |
| * timeless wonders what a wiki is | 22:25 | |
| maddler | os you could give a look at an existing package... | 22:25 |
| maddler | hehehehehe | 22:25 |
| maddler | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ | 22:25 |
| timeless | oh | 22:25 |
| timeless | i'm looking at an existing package | 22:25 |
| timeless | namely connection manager | 22:25 |
| timeless | i'm trying to figure out how to explain to someone that it's in tools and not somwhere else | 22:26 |
| timeless | problem is it has too many files :) | 22:26 |
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| maddler | timeless: you shold look at DEBIAN directory... | 22:28 |
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| timeless | hrm | 22:29 |
| timeless | some things use Categories= | 22:29 |
| timeless | but notes doesn't... | 22:29 |
| jku_ | timeless: in a maintainer script "maemo-select-menu-location <app>.desktop [default-folder]" | 22:29 |
| jku_ | see packaging howto | 22:30 |
| timeless | is that a debian//rules file? | 22:30 |
| jku_ | postinst I believe | 22:30 |
| timeless | no one here seems to use that... | 22:31 |
| jku_ | Actually, that's for the user interaction... | 22:31 |
| jku_ | so, might not answer your question: it asks the user where to put things | 22:32 |
| timeless | that's definitely not the answer i want :) | 22:32 |
| jku_ | sorry :) | 22:33 |
| timeless | i'm trying to explain how something got into tools w/o asking the user | 22:33 |
| timeless | i suppose i could search debian/ directories for "tools", but that gives >1000 hits | 22:33 |
| timeless | hrm | 22:34 |
| timeless | is it normal to include ~ files in packages? :) | 22:34 |
| sp3000 | oops~ | 22:34 |
| timeless | sp3000: base-passwd-3.5.11.osso3/debian/changelog~ | 22:35 |
| timeless | (and one other in that package) | 22:35 |
| timeless | also certs-1.5.12/debian/rules~ | 22:36 |
| timeless | (and two others) | 22:36 |
| timeless | sp3000: but seriously, more pressing, since i can razz those people later, what controls where applets appear in the menu system? :) | 22:36 |
| * timeless also has to figure out why the repository is corrupt) | 22:37 | |
| jku_ | Isn't it actually just the directory the desktop files are installed in? | 22:38 |
| sp3000 | that'd be my first guess | 22:40 |
| timeless | that's be my guess too | 22:41 |
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| sp3000 | konttori, # ls /M* | 22:46 |
| sp3000 | /Makefile /MediaCenter /MediaCenter.desktop /MediaCenter.py /MediaCenter.service | 22:46 |
| sp3000 | something weird, there :) | 22:46 |
| timeless | how so? | 22:47 |
| timeless | what's wrong w/ installing into /? :) | 22:47 |
| timeless | gnome sticks stuff there if you log into sun java desktop on solaris :) | 22:47 |
| timeless | (root's default home is / ...) | 22:47 |
| sp3000 | sweet | 22:47 |
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| timeless | hrm, i've only crashed desktop once, i've crashed the input manager 3 times :) | 22:51 |
| timeless | so, um... | 22:52 |
| timeless | where would the file structure be? supposing i'm using the file manager to browse my device :) | 22:52 |
| timeless | anyway, it's in the same place as all the others | 22:55 |
| timeless | /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 22:55 |
| bill20r3 | anyone know if I can get a lists of wifi networks in range, from a shell? | 22:55 |
| bill20r3 | (N800) | 22:55 |
| * timeless wonders what this file is | 22:56 | |
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| guerby | hi, any python/maemo hacker around? | 22:57 |
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| etrunko | guerby: kind of | 23:04 |
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| konttori | sp3000: Hi! Umm... what's weird? | 23:11 |
| sp3000 | konttori, files installed into / ? | 23:12 |
| konttori | Umm... odd. | 23:12 |
| sp3000 | (including .svn etc foo) | 23:13 |
| konttori | SOmething I might improve in the dpkg build | 23:13 |
| Tak|work | meh, I'm doing something wrong with my home applet | 23:13 |
| sp3000 | tmi | 23:13 |
| timeless | sp3000: have you ever subscribed rss reader to a gconf feed? | 23:13 |
| konttori | I didn't find any good instructions on how to dpkg properly, so once I got that working, I was just very happy ;) | 23:13 |
| timeless | sp3000: would you be shocked to hear that it isn't very agreeable to that? :) | 23:14 |
| sp3000 | timeless: gconf feed? | 23:14 |
| timeless | %gconf.xml i suppose | 23:14 |
| timeless | it's rss, isn't it? i mean, it ends in .xml, and everyone knows .xml = rss :) | 23:15 |
| sp3000 | ah :) thought you could extract something from gconf in a feed format | 23:15 |
| sp3000 | heh | 23:15 |
| Streg | I have some trouble installing ClawsMail (application packages missing: libxau0) | 23:15 |
| Streg | any ideas? | 23:15 |
| timeless | streg: google's your friend | 23:15 |
| Tak|work | libxau0 is in the garage repo iirc | 23:16 |
| timeless | if you set up certain repositories and install from a repository, it should work | 23:16 |
| sp3000 | Streg: Nokia-N800-10:~# apt-cache policy libxau0 | 23:16 |
| sp3000 | ... | 23:16 |
| sp3000 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 23:16 |
| sp3000 | Streg: but they should be nice and give you an .install file for automagicality | 23:17 |
| sp3000 | hmm. . isn't a vowel. | 23:17 |
| timeless | depends how you read it, but, no it isn't. | 23:17 |
| * timeless thinks this other application crashed | 23:18 | |
| timeless | sp3000: remind me to dump my cores tomorrow :) | 23:18 |
| Streg | sp3000:thnakyou, will try... | 23:18 |
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| timeless | sp3000: =(, it isn't reproducable | 23:19 |
| konttori | sp3000: what would be a good place to install? | 23:20 |
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| sp3000 | konttori, presumably where the copies go now | 23:23 |
| konttori | Umm... How do I instruct dpkg to do that? Do I have to re-create the whole path then? | 23:23 |
| sp3000 | all my debian packages are just variations on someone's previous work, so I'm not exactly an expert in setting those up :) | 23:23 |
| * sp3000 flails helplessly toward http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ and http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 23:24 | |
| konttori | Like, ATM I have an install folder, which contains the stuff you see there, and I just dpkg -b install something.deb | 23:24 |
| Tak|work | dh_make is your friend | 23:25 |
| konttori | does that work on osx? | 23:26 |
| timeless | as longas you use parallels :) | 23:26 |
| Tak|work | I have no idea | 23:26 |
| timeless | otherwise, you're going to have to work w/ me on sb2 porting to unix | 23:26 |
| Tak|work | I would think that if you could get dpkg, you could get dh_make, but whether that's actually true... | 23:27 |
| timeless | you can get fink | 23:27 |
| Tak|work | does vmware player run on osx? | 23:27 |
| timeless | which would theoretically give you part of a baseline | 23:27 |
| timeless | tak: virtual pc/parallels/vmware {foo} | 23:27 |
| timeless | fusion? | 23:28 |
| sp3000 | konttori, afaiui you'd want to build the proper dir tree under there. also, you'd need to convince things that the files are owned by root rather than user 501 as now | 23:28 |
| Tak|work | well, I'm thinking specifically of the maemo-dev ubuntu vmware image | 23:28 |
| timeless | http://swift.research.nokia.com/osso10-11/source/osso-contact-plugin-1.1.14/data/osso-contact-plugin.desktop | 23:28 |
| timeless | eep | 23:28 |
| timeless | http://www.vmware.com/whatsnew/macsignupform.html | 23:28 |
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| konttori | sp3000: why root and not 501? Sorry for asking such silly questions, but I am linux noob | 23:29 |
| Tak|work | yeah - if I was developing on a mac, I'd be looking hard at vmware + maemo-dev image | 23:29 |
| timeless | i actually started looking into porting sb2 | 23:30 |
| sp3000 | konttori, since the ownership goes to the installed files, 501 means nothing but could mean any random user on the target | 23:30 |
| timeless | it's not impossible, but very painful | 23:30 |
| sp3000 | konttori, it would be problematic if a random user owned binaries run by others (not that N800s tend to be very multiuser, but, ..) | 23:30 |
| konttori | sp3000: so, should I just do postinst that fixes that (like it's currently copying stuff to places) | 23:31 |
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| sp3000 | konttori, you shouldn't need to move things in postinst | 23:31 |
| sp3000 | if you have install/MediaCenter now you should have install/usr/bin/MediaCenter, etc | 23:32 |
| sp3000 | or that could just make everything explode spectacularly for all I know, but that sounds plausible | 23:33 |
| konttori | sp3000: yeah, but after I do that, would I still need to modify privileges for those files? | 23:33 |
| konttori | Or can I do that in the source and dpkg would transfer those privileges? | 23:33 |
| timeless | the dpkg building thing basically records user numbers | 23:33 |
| sp3000 | konttori, debian build foo uses fakeroot to be able to pretend to set root owner while packaging | 23:34 |
| timeless | if you're feeling adventurous, you could hack the resulting file to have different numbers :) | 23:34 |
| konttori | sp3000: so, if I run as sudo, would that do the same? | 23:35 |
| sp3000 | I don't know of a convenient way of accomplishing that otherwise ...except, yeah, actually being root, if you're adventurous | 23:35 |
| timeless | i think it's easier to look into the .deb file format | 23:35 |
| sp3000 | everything seems to involve adventure now ;) | 23:35 |
| konttori | sp3000: ok. thanks! Next version will have much better packaging, thanks to you! | 23:36 |
| Tak|work | dpkg-buildpackage -rsudo effectively runs `sudo dpkg --build debian/blah blah.deb` | 23:36 |
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| wontan76_ | Tak, have you seen hatari emulator? | 23:38 |
| Tak|work | no, I still haven't, I'm sorry | 23:38 |
| timeless | so, i'm still looking for someone who has an idea about what controls locations of things in the menus :) | 23:38 |
| Tak|work | I've been distracted from IT dev for like a month :-( | 23:38 |
| wontan76_ | Too bad. You have a job though, i see | 23:38 |
| wontan76_ | have you gotten any sdl demos to work with xsp? | 23:39 |
| Tak|work | fceu and xmame use xsp | 23:39 |
| wontan76_ | very good job on those | 23:39 |
| wontan76_ | i compiled snes9x and dgen emulators but they crash :) | 23:39 |
| Tak|work | not me, I just recompiled, changed some keybindings, and slapped on some buttons | 23:40 |
| Tak|work | yeah, every genesis emu I've tried crashes within 1s of runtime | 23:40 |
| wontan76_ | yes but they work. i am very angry at you :) | 23:40 |
| Tak|work | (dgen, generator, gens-linux, I think one other) | 23:40 |
| wontan76_ | there may be a pointer alignment issue across those emus | 23:41 |
| wontan76_ | i have read of this in another ARM port | 23:41 |
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| Tak|work | well, at least one of the ones I tried (generator?) has arm-specific code | 23:41 |
| Tak|work | apparently not specific enough ;-) | 23:41 |
| wontan76_ | interesting. crashes right after sega logo, yes? | 23:42 |
| konttori | can someone port picodrive ? It's not linux ready yeat, but should be possible to get running with some work | 23:42 |
| Tak|work | dgen does | 23:42 |
| Tak|work | generator crashes immediately on load | 23:42 |
| Tak|work | picodrive! that's the other one I tried | 23:43 |
| wontan76_ | picodrive looks to be fastest | 23:43 |
| Tak|work | I think I couldn't get it to compile because of build environment differences that I wasn't intrepid enough to surmount | 23:43 |
| Tak|work | a lot of picodrive is in assembly, from what I saw | 23:43 |
| timeless | tak: arm usually = os2005 abi :) | 23:43 |
| Tak|work | supposedly it runs pretty well on gp2x | 23:43 |
| Tak|work | timeless: yeah, I was trying to hack some gp2x code into workability | 23:44 |
| wontan76_ | picodrive will not be easy | 23:44 |
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| guerby | etrunko, I've sent my question to maemo-devel :) | 23:44 |
| wontan76_ | can't just apt-get it and build picodrive with ./configure && make | 23:44 |
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| Tak|work | I got picodrive to the linking stage, but, like I said, my toolchain is substantially different than the one used for the gp2x | 23:51 |
| sp3000 | timeless: /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu specifies part | 23:51 |
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| timeless | xdg eh | 23:52 |
| * timeless kicks some stupid app | 23:53 | |
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| LinuxApe | anyone using new OS? | 23:58 |
| Knowledge_ | is there a way to chagne the MAC addy of the n800? my manager locked me out of the router, I thought it would be funny to change it... | 23:58 |
| timeless | http://newos.org ?? | 23:58 |
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| LinuxApe | the newly released os for the n800 | 23:59 |
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