| qgil | shackan: my feedback is that it would be a pity if your project couldn't even opt to be chosen by a lack of a mentor - this doesn'¡t mean that getting a mentor would be a guarantee of anything, but you know | 00:00 |
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| qgil | I mean "chosen because of a lack of a mentor" | 00:00 |
| shackan | qgil, I absolutely know, but thanks | 00:00 |
| maddler | qgil: I applied as a mentor candidate to smooved... | 00:02 |
| maddler | from my point of view... smooved would be a great improvement... | 00:03 |
| qgil | this ranking starts looking good/sensible, although most mentors haven't ranked yet | 00:03 |
| maddler | I mean... N800 (as well as 770) is a great device... which can (and has) to do a LOT more than simply surfing the web from your sofa... | 00:03 |
| maddler | qgil: maybe they need to be solicited? | 00:04 |
| qgil | I'm not going to chase mentors beyond the updates I'm sending to maemo-developers - chasing a mentor now implies triple chasing and eve ntually loosing him/her once the project is ongoing | 00:06 |
| ajturner|work | that would probably be a good idea to throw out a reminder to all mentors that all apps are now in and availabe for ranking & mentoring | 00:06 |
| maddler | qgil: true... | 00:08 |
| maddler | ajturner|work: yep... a "generic" reminder could help/// | 00:08 |
| maddler | brb | 00:09 |
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| bergie | qgil: is there anything urgent I should do as mentor this week? I'm going to be the rest of the week in Norway on a conference trip | 00:11 |
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| qgil | bergie: it would be good to help commenting ranking the rest of proposals, not only "your" lobby :) | 00:12 |
| qgil | you are an experienced maemo power user | 00:12 |
| bergie | I'll try to find the time | 00:12 |
| bergie | I just first wanted to pick the ones most interesting to me :-) | 00:12 |
| qgil | at least push up your other favorites | 00:12 |
| bergie | besides, I'm not so sure I would be fitting mentor for other apps than positioning-related | 00:13 |
| qgil | finding 3-4 more to give then + points would help defining the path | 00:13 |
| bergie | sure, will do | 00:13 |
| qgil | ranking and commenting has little to do with mentoring | 00:13 |
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| jku | If anyone's interested, I've my GeoClue application in the wiki: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GeoClue | 00:24 |
| jku | feeedback very welcome | 00:25 |
| bergie | qgil: oops, now Google's mentor app is giving a lot of errors ;-) | 00:25 |
| qgil | incredible | 00:26 |
| maddler | bergie: same... | 00:26 |
| MDK | qgil: if I understand correctly, it's not clear yet how many slots we'll have? | 00:26 |
| qgil | and this time they didn't put the "beta" label ;) | 00:26 |
| qgil | MDK: not clear at all | 00:26 |
| shackan | MDK, google will tell (at the last minute, as always) | 00:27 |
| qgil | MDK: that " Applications below this line are less likely to be accepted." is defined by a value I introduce manually in the maemo edit page, I could put it up or down | 00:27 |
| jku | MDK, they said the slots will be clear April 4th latest | 00:28 |
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| MDK | qgil: I see | 00:28 |
| qgil | good that there is people following the thing closely because I can't afford subscribing to another mailing list | 00:28 |
| bergie | good night, all... I'll try the SoC app again tomorrow | 00:28 |
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| MDK | speaking about the Soc process, | 00:28 |
| MDK | I think that we should, once the selection is done, | 00:29 |
| MDK | setup a mailing list for the mentors/participants | 00:29 |
| MDK | where students will post progress as weekly status reports | 00:29 |
| MDK | that's how it was done during the Mono soc I took part in | 00:30 |
| MDK | and it worked very well | 00:30 |
| * shackan is evaluating one of those Web2.0 project collaboration sites to see if it's worth to use anything like that | 00:30 | |
| MDK | since seeing others working is kinda encouraging | 00:30 |
| shackan | s/one/some | 00:30 |
| ajturner|work | or, assumedly each project would have a garage project that would provide SVN, news, mailing list, etc | 00:30 |
| jku | qgil, Google hasn't been very good at communication -- e.g. out of the total 4 deadline delays I believe two were announced in any real way. | 00:31 |
| shackan | jku, get used to it :) | 00:31 |
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| shackan | I heard past SoC have had lots of such problems | 00:31 |
| maddler | MDK: yup... a SoC mailing list could be fine... | 00:32 |
| jku | I've had no problem, but I can understand it could be annoying for admins/mentors | 00:32 |
| maddler | and yes... having a garage project for each aproved project is fine as well... | 00:32 |
| qgil | let's define channels of communication once we know the projects approved | 00:32 |
| MDK | yeah, socs are pretty hectic I guess | 00:32 |
| maddler | qgil: of course... | 00:33 |
| qgil | isn't google requiring this year that code is submitted directly to their repo? | 00:33 |
| jku | yes but I believe twice (or something) is enough | 00:34 |
| jku | I guess they want to see some results before paying | 00:34 |
| maddler | qgil: oh... I was about to open a bug for maemo-flyer... but then I switched to something else and forgot about that! | 00:34 |
| maddler | :D | 00:34 |
| qgil | maddler: did you get an email now? | 00:34 |
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| maddler | yep... | 00:37 |
| maddler | that's why it came back to my mind! :D | 00:37 |
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| maddler | qgil: ok... 1st step done... | 00:46 |
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| qgil | i'm going for the second, just wait 5 mins :) | 00:47 |
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| maddler | np... | 00:48 |
| maddler | I was about to add some other tasks... | 00:48 |
| maddler | basically: "define formats" and "basic contents" | 00:48 |
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| qgil | maddler: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=217&type=g :) | 00:52 |
| maddler | lemme see... | 00:52 |
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| maddler | ok... updated... | 00:55 |
| maddler | oh... I'd remove the "default" block... | 00:55 |
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| maddler | qgil: I'd need the maemo logo resizeable native image... | 00:57 |
| maddler | or I could redraw it... :) | 00:58 |
| maddler | hmmm... maybe onion garage already... with new site's stuff... | 00:58 |
| maddler | onion = on | 00:58 |
| maddler | doh! | 00:58 |
| acydlord | blargh i need an ide cable | 01:00 |
| maddler | hmmm... can't find it... tigert alive? | 01:00 |
| qgil | there is a new logo with small fixes being approved these days, please wait just a bit maddler | 01:00 |
| maddler | qgil: oh... ok... perfect... | 01:01 |
| maddler | acydlord: I could DCC send it... | 01:01 |
| acydlord | lol | 01:01 |
| acydlord | i have probably a hundred of them lying around here, i just need to find my tool bag | 01:03 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 01:03 |
| maddler | I just bought 20 IDE cables... | 01:03 |
| florian | maddler: uh | 01:03 |
| maddler | after I spent a whole day fighting with a dvd burner... | 01:03 |
| * florian just bought another X31 | 01:03 | |
| acydlord | planning to build a 2PB data cluster? | 01:03 |
| maddler | and found that the IDE cable caused the DVD to report wrong filesystem!!! | 01:03 |
| florian | heh | 01:03 |
| maddler | but since CDs were being read without any problem... I don't even considered the cause was the cable... | 01:04 |
| florian | hrm... i want releases of the GPE PIM stuff and neal is on vacations :-/ | 01:04 |
| maddler | only DVD failed... | 01:04 |
| maddler | buy a new "releaser"! :D | 01:05 |
| * florian searches ebay for "open source releasers" ;) | 01:05 | |
| maddler | hahahaha | 01:05 |
| maddler | try with "cheap opensource releaser" :DDDDDDDDDD | 01:06 |
| florian | maddler: i can order them by current bid afterwards ;) | 01:06 |
| maddler | or "15X open source releasers - (no windows) | 01:06 |
| maddler | :D | 01:06 |
| maddler | florian: hehehe... indeed... | 01:07 |
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| maddler | you should also try on www.ebay.cn | 01:07 |
| florian | hehe | 01:07 |
| maddler | a LOT cheaper over there! | 01:07 |
| maddler | you could buy 10 for the price of 1! :D | 01:07 |
| florian | maddler: but less experienced with open source... usually | 01:07 |
| florian | The flyer project is a good idea... | 01:08 |
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| florian | Ich could donate a *big* printer ;) | 01:08 |
| florian | s/Ich/I | 01:08 |
| florian | My German starts to leak, that means it is early in the morning | 01:09 |
| shackan | it's not, not in europe at least | 01:11 |
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| florian | shackan: it depends on the definition ;) here it is about midnight | 01:12 |
| shackan | I wouldn't define midnight "early in the morning" | 01:12 |
| * qgil is going to define "bed" - good night! | 01:12 | |
| florian | qgil: good night | 01:13 |
| maddler | qgil: see you... | 01:13 |
| shackan | bye qgil ! | 01:13 |
| florian | :-) | 01:13 |
| florian | shackan: true | 01:13 |
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| maddler | florian: please, define "*big*" :D | 01:13 |
| florian | maddler: DEC turbo Printserver LPS20... about 1.5m/160kg | 01:14 |
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| maddler | hehe... not exactly a | 01:17 |
| maddler | "new" model :) | 01:17 |
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| maddler | I don't even want to thing about shipping costs to .it! :D | 01:18 |
| florian | I'm pretty sure it will be hard to find one to pick it up deliberately ;) | 01:21 |
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| maddler | florian: hehehehe... sounds so... | 01:28 |
| maddler | damn... I bought a new fan for a server... and just realized that in order to mount it... | 01:30 |
| maddler | I have to remove the motherboard from the case... | 01:30 |
| maddler | since it requires to remove the "standard" CPU fan clips... | 01:30 |
| guerby | sent my findings about battery level | 01:30 |
| guerby | to maemo-devel | 01:31 |
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| florian | maddler: that's why i like ibm :) | 01:44 |
| maddler | or DELL | 01:45 |
| maddler | well... actually that would have been fine if I considered using that fan a *bit* earlier :) | 01:45 |
| maddler | easier to change a fan than to print form a winblows box by the way! | 01:46 |
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| florian | good night | 02:20 |
| maddler | bye | 02:21 |
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| maddler | dum de daa,,, | 02:45 |
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| maddler | ttl here... | 03:16 |
| maddler | later dudes! | 03:16 |
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| unique311 | does mplayer work with the latest firmware now? | 03:41 |
| jacques | hmm, I wanna know that too | 03:42 |
| unique311 | its up to 12 | 03:43 |
| unique311 | the issue was on 9 | 03:43 |
| unique311 | is it fix | 03:43 |
| unique311 | another question whats up with vlc on maemo... | 03:43 |
| unique311 | 9 or 10 played mp4...oh lord fixed The MPlayer.... | 03:46 |
| unique311 | psp encode their movies MP4.. | 03:47 |
| unique311 | sweet | 03:47 |
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| unique311 | jacques last post... read http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2405&page=39 | 03:47 |
| unique311 | does that mean it works but with minor issues? | 03:47 |
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| unique311 | jacques last post... read http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2405&page=39 | 03:51 |
| unique311 | does that mean it works but with minor issues? | 03:51 |
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| chx | hi. i was not here for some time so I want to ask about progress if any on making a mini laptop out of the N800 -- you know, having a clever case which holds a foldable keyboard and an n800 together | 04:40 |
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| * bhima went by CTIA today. Lots of N800s around. | 04:45 | |
| Sulis | what's CTIA? | 04:46 |
| bhima | Communications Technology Industry Association, I think. The conference is officially CTIA Wireless. | 04:47 |
| bhima | The conference floor was absolutely massive. | 04:47 |
| Sulis | :( i've never been to anything like that | 04:47 |
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| bhima | My company's ~2 hours away from Orlando. | 04:48 |
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| bhima | Last conference I was at was LinuxTag, at the town I was living in in Germany, and I got to meet maemo dev people and grope a 770. | 04:49 |
| Sulis | did you ask it if it minded? | 04:49 |
| bhima | It promoted itself as an open system, so I assumed it was willing. | 04:51 |
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| Sulis | well it's only polite to ask | 04:53 |
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| unique311 | k, mplayer still has issues with the update bummer... | 05:02 |
| bhima | Any idea if there are any maemo people at CTIA? | 05:03 |
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| unique311 | # | 05:09 |
| unique311 | VLC media player compiled and tested for maemo. Open source available on www.videolan.org | 05:09 |
| unique311 | * | 05:09 |
| unique311 | I really doubt we need multiple frameworks doing the same thing on an embedded device. Who agrees? -- DannyMilosavljevic | 05:09 |
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| unique311 | where is the deb | 05:09 |
| medic30420 | damn this is sweet (n800) | 05:09 |
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| bhima | There may be a rhinoskin n800 case coming out for the n800. | 05:10 |
| * bhima hopes that it will happen. | 05:11 | |
| unique311 | VLC true or false... | 05:11 |
| unique311 | i need some VLC in my life | 05:11 |
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| bhima | Oh, and I think I've figured out how to make a USB power injector powered off a single AA using off teh shelf parts. (somebody else may have already done it, of coruse...) | 05:12 |
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| bipolar | kkito: ping | 07:39 |
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| Markov | hello | 08:06 |
| Markov | any idea why media converter is slow? | 08:06 |
| Markov | why doesn't it take more cpu and finish the job faster? | 08:06 |
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| konttori | Markov: what do you mean? It isn't utilizing 100% processor speed on your system? | 08:26 |
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| keesj | Hi | 09:20 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... :) | 10:50 |
| mikemorrison | anyone know how to get the app icon to show up in the window list? | 11:01 |
| everaldo | mikemorrison, on 770? | 11:02 |
| everaldo | you must create a desktop file and dbus service | 11:03 |
| everaldo | let me get the tutorial | 11:03 |
| mikemorrison | yeah i read the tutorial but it didn't give a very good explanation. why is the dbus service needed? | 11:04 |
| everaldo | because is the way how maemo window manager works | 11:04 |
| everaldo | it is dbus oriented | 11:04 |
| mikemorrison | ok. so if i have a .service file, then it will look at the .desktop file to see which icon to use? | 11:05 |
| everaldo | yes | 11:05 |
| mikemorrison | excellent. thanks for the help. | 11:06 |
| everaldo | mikemorrison, remember that you binary file must have the same name than dbus service file | 11:07 |
| everaldo | I fight a little with this some days ago :) | 11:07 |
| tigert | hi everaldo | 11:10 |
| everaldo | morning tigert | 11:10 |
| mikemorrison | ok. do i need to do anything special with libosso? currently i just call osso_initialize | 11:10 |
| everaldo | mikemorrison, no, only call it is enougth | 11:11 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:39 |
| mikemorrison | everaldo: ok i added a service file but now my app won't launch. it says "loading" for a while and then nothing | 11:40 |
| everaldo | mikemorrison, you must call osso_initialize | 11:43 |
| everaldo | but if you app dont launch the something is wrong | 11:43 |
| everaldo | s/the/them | 11:43 |
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| everaldo | I go breakfest... back in half hour | 11:44 |
| mikemorrison | yeah it does call osso_initialize. hmm | 11:46 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm all of a sudden Canola crashes on 'the dayly sourcecode' podcast. Weird. | 12:22 |
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| maddler | morning... | 12:57 |
| greentux | hi florian | 12:57 |
| florian | hi greentux | 12:58 |
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| Zenton | hi all | 13:11 |
| Zenton | does maemo hardware have phone capabilies? | 13:12 |
| Zenton | or has a modem to be used? | 13:12 |
| glass | neither 770 or 800 have phones built in | 13:13 |
| jku | wlan, bluetooth. check the nokia site | 13:13 |
| Zenton | thanks | 13:14 |
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| mikemorrison | anyone here know much about the d-bus service file? | 14:24 |
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| jku_ | what do you need mikemorrison? | 14:39 |
| mikemorrison | the docs on the subject are not very clear. | 14:43 |
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| Knirch | I'd say, only one line is not much of a documentation for this question :D | 14:45 |
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| mikemorrison | hehe.. the bora tutorial says to build the "Name" field with app provider url and service name to minimize conflicts. then in the osso_initialize it doesn't pass the full "Name" in | 14:48 |
| jku_ | I vaguely remember it having a default value... not smart, but would explain it | 14:49 |
| jku_ | as in, osso_initialize guesses the provider | 14:50 |
| mikemorrison | it took me quite a while to figure out what i really had to do. what was also confusing is that if i put in "com.nokia.servicename" i could call osso_initialize with just the "servicename" portion. but when i switched to my url it didn't work. | 14:50 |
| jku_ | file a bug on that if there isn't one already | 14:51 |
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| mikemorrison | you figure it's a bug? in documentation or libosso? | 14:52 |
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| jku_ | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=602 maybe? | 14:53 |
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| jku_ | well, documenting bugs makes them features... | 14:53 |
| mikemorrison | well look at that, i could have saved myself a lot of time checking bugzilla. that info should be in the docs | 14:55 |
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| nomis | Hmm, is Jakub Pavelek in IRC? | 15:08 |
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| jonek | hi, any Google SoC mentors arround here? | 15:59 |
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| ferulo | tigert: ping | 16:11 |
| tigert | pong? | 16:19 |
| tigert | whats up? | 16:19 |
| tigert | nomis: I am not sure | 16:19 |
| tigert | nomis: I can ask him when I see him around | 16:19 |
| nomis | tigert: don't bother. It would have just been convenient to discuss bug #263 with him. | 16:20 |
| tigert | ah | 16:20 |
| nomis | somehow this bug report became confusing and IMHO misses the point. | 16:20 |
| tigert | let me see | 16:20 |
| nomis | My point was, that opera (contrary to other tools on the N800) ignores ~/.fonts.conf (apart from having an option in the GUI would be convenient). | 16:21 |
| ferulo | tigert, ehh, are there any packages to install plakton on bora? | 16:21 |
| ferulo | or do I need to build them myself? | 16:22 |
| nomis | this has nothing to do with hinting information in fonts, (which is where the autohinter kicks in and messes some letters up) | 16:22 |
| tigert | ferulo: yes | 16:22 |
| tigert | but not on a repo | 16:22 |
| tigert | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ | 16:22 |
| tigert | cacher from there | 16:22 |
| tigert | plankton from experimental/ is newer | 16:22 |
| ferulo | yeah, but I need i386 version | 16:22 |
| tigert | and I need to move my ass to update it | 16:22 |
| tigert | oh | 16:22 |
| tigert | but the theme is _all.deb | 16:23 |
| tigert | its just the cacher you need to build then | 16:23 |
| tigert | but its very small | 16:23 |
| ferulo | ok | 16:23 |
| ferulo | I guess I can get it from svn tags | 16:23 |
| ferulo | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-theme-cacher/0.3.0-1/ | 16:23 |
| tigert | you can use trunk | 16:24 |
| tigert | it shouldnt matter | 16:24 |
| ferulo | isn't it depending on anything? | 16:25 |
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| timeless | anyone here use garage (svn)? | 17:02 |
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| tigert | ferulo: not much | 17:08 |
| kkito | well i am finishing my qt/kde port to the n800. Now tap-and-hold and virtualkeyboard is working | 17:11 |
| kkito | it is time to rewrite some window/widgets to fit ok on the screen | 17:11 |
| kkito | are there any qt/kde app that do you want to be integrated on the n800? | 17:12 |
| kkito | actually i am working on amarok | 17:12 |
| kkito | konqueror? kontact? | 17:12 |
| Tak | I'm guessing kmail would be popular | 17:13 |
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| kkito | :) | 17:14 |
| kkito | and koffice? | 17:14 |
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| Tak | dunno | 17:16 |
| tchan | Does anyone know if there a definitive answer for whether or not usb host mode hacks will (ever) work on the N800, like they do on the 770 ? | 17:19 |
| kkito | tchan, i think that the feature is on the current roadmap | 17:20 |
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| tchan | thanks, I'll look for it! | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | it's hard to predict the future | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | but I think it is likely | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | what's the url for the official maemo roadmap? | 17:22 |
| bergie | mgedmin: http://test.maemo.org/community/roadmap.html | 17:23 |
| * mgedmin just found http://test.maemo.org/support/roadmap.html | 17:23 | |
| mgedmin | both urls open the same page | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | usb host support is in the roadmap part, rather than wishlist | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | iirc that means nokia will pay their developers to implement it | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | (but nokia reserves the right to change its mind) | 17:24 |
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| Tak | so is nokia officially dropping all support for 770, or are they WONTFIXing everything because they're focusing on 2007 for 770? | 17:29 |
| Okko | mgedmin: does the N800 support the host mode without hardware changes? | 17:30 |
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| Okko | ...since also "WiMAX" is in the roadmap | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | afaiu N800 has hardware support for USB host (modulo the power hack), but lacks software support for it on the kernel side | 17:32 |
| zuh | Tak: IIRC 2007@770 is a "not supported" feature to begin with, so I wouldn't expect for it to be developed too frantically... | 17:35 |
| Tak | I thought they were working toward making it a supported configuration | 17:36 |
| Tak | "they" being ari, I guess | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | nobody ever promised that | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | "we will release an unsupported 2007on770 for hackers" was the concession | 17:36 |
| Tak | feh | 17:37 |
| * koen awaits 'mamona' | 17:38 | |
| timeless | i thought that the roadmap included garage roadmap things | 17:40 |
| timeless | which were definitely not things nokia was going to pay for | 17:40 |
| Okko | mgedmin: in the motherboard, but isn't the plug the non-host type? | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | well, yes, but a bigger problem is that the plug does not supply +5V | 17:45 |
| dragorn | Okko: There are no drivers to run the chipset in host mode | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | people solved that for the 770 with hardware hacks | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | those hacks do not work on the n800 because the usb kernel driver for that chip does not support host mode | 17:46 |
| dragorn | mgedmin: My understanding from other people was that the 800 may actually provide host mode power if you pull a pin low, but that theres no kernel driver support for the chipset currently | 17:46 |
| dragorn | Though honestly I'd throw a battery pack on it anyhow for any heavy usb usage | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | that would be nice | 17:46 |
| dragorn | Anyone know offhand why a gtk app compiled in hildon wouldn't find the fonts? (no hildonization yet, which might be the answer right there) | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | no idea | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | one thing I noticed: after I installed bitstream vera, fc-list would find it, but fc-match wouldn't | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | and xterm didn't find it until I rebooted | 17:49 |
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| dragorn | I'm not trying to do any special font usage, just whatever the default gtk font is | 17:50 |
| dragorn | hm maybe I lie about that actually | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | maybe you need to use run-standalone.sh | 17:50 |
| dragorn | i lie, I'm using helvetica | 17:50 |
| dragorn | I bet that's missing | 17:50 |
| Okko | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB | 17:50 |
| dragorn | nevermind. Self-idiocy. | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | if you just start a gtk app from xterm, it won't get the hildon/maemo/osso/whatever theme specific environment variables | 17:51 |
| Okko | "Most of the pins of a Mini-USB connector are the same as those in a standard USB connector, except pin 4. Pin 4 is called "ID" and, in the Mini-A connector, is connected to ground, but in the Mini-B is not connected. This causes a device supporting USB On-The-Go (with a Mini-AB socket) to initially act as host when connected to a USB Mini-A connector" | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | the usb chip on the n800 supports USB OTG | 17:51 |
| dragorn | Okko: Sounds like the pin I was talking about. Too bad we still don't have usb host. | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | I don't know about the connector | 17:51 |
| Okko | mgedmin: I've heard about that 770 hack, but how does it work plugwise and is the ("female") plug in 770 the same as N800? | 17:51 |
| dragorn | Okko: yes. but the 770 has no onboard power for the usb chipset | 17:52 |
| dragorn | Okko: so you have to hack it anyway w/ a supplementary battery pack and a powered hub or injector cable | 17:52 |
| Okko | ok, and is the plug an AB, or does one have to use some non-USB-standard adaptor to get a "normal" client USB device connected? | 17:52 |
| dragorn | you need a way to power the bus, and cables w/ the appropriate connectors on them for whatever you're doing | 17:53 |
| Okko | (or let's say "Nokia original accessory" ;) | 17:53 |
| dragorn | i've run my 770 to a single usb device using couplers and a 2.5" USB hard drive "y" cable | 17:53 |
| dragorn | which provides a power-only connector to draw from a second usb port | 17:53 |
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| dragorn | if you have a powered hub, you can use that as well, if you make a battery pack to connect to it in some fashion | 17:53 |
| Okko | ok so you kinda have a cable that has A in both ends? | 17:53 |
| dragorn | it doesn't matter what kind of cable you get as long as it plugs into the devices you want it to. I happened to have a kit of USB end adaptors, it came from Big Lots for $9.99 or something | 17:54 |
| Okko | I've been wondering if I could connect my digital camera into my N800 but haven't been able to do it even hardware-wise since I don't know what adaptor I should use. | 17:54 |
| Okko | I don't think the cam would necessarily need any power since it has its own battery | 17:54 |
| dragorn | You can't do it software-wise because there is no way to drive it from the 800 kernel. | 17:55 |
| dragorn | If you had a 770, you would still need power | 17:55 |
| dragorn | because you have to power the 770 usb bus, period, unless the camera feeds power back up the usb system | 17:55 |
| Okko | but my cam has a Canon button so that it can for example directly print to a printer | 17:55 |
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| Okko | so I'm kindof dreaming I would connec the two and press the transfer button, which would upload them to the N800 and then to Internet with WLAN :) | 17:55 |
| dragorn | don't see what that has to do with anything, that's probably pictbridge | 17:56 |
| dragorn | afaik, impossible with the current n800 kernels. | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | if your camera could copy pictures into a usb mass storage device, you could connect your n800 to it | 17:56 |
| Okko | it's still unclear to me if the connector in N800 is B or AB | 17:57 |
| Okko | mgedmin: yeah, I don't think it is able to do that. :( | 17:58 |
| Okko | some electronics company could make a device size of a matchbox that would connect two client devices and copy all files from the first to the second | 17:59 |
| Okko | people would buy | 17:59 |
| dragorn | been done | 18:01 |
| dragorn | theres also a multitude of cf/usb/sd/foo auto-readers linked to a 2.5 drive | 18:01 |
| Okko | any links? | 18:01 |
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| dragorn | not offhand, never needed one but I see them scroll by on my gadget rss feeds every week | 18:05 |
| Okko | I've seen the auto readers but I'm interested in that "matchbox" thing since it would enable an endless supply of storage. | 18:05 |
| Okko | since wlan is everywhere | 18:06 |
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| zuh | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38544 <- There's a paragraph that gives a bit rosy picture of the 2007@770 scheme :) | 18:33 |
| daniels | the register is possibly the only publication with less credibility than random guys out on the street shouting at the sky and claiming government conspiracies against them | 18:34 |
| bill20r3 | what about msnbc? | 18:35 |
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| daniels | my statement stands | 18:36 |
| bill20r3 | heh | 18:36 |
| Pio | but this is the inquirer | 18:37 |
| daniels | er, yeah, that's what i meant | 18:37 |
| daniels | the register has a tiny bit more crediblity. it's total shit, but it doesn't actually make everything up. | 18:38 |
| Pio | and they have BOFH | 18:38 |
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| Tak | hah - I was just reading that inquirer article, wondering "Where the hell did I get this link?" | 19:19 |
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| bill20r3 | does the n800 use HID or SSP bt keyboards? | 19:34 |
| daniels | hid | 19:34 |
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| bill20r3 | there's an iPaq kb in the local classifieds for $50, hopefully they still have it. | 19:36 |
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| Sonej | Got my n800 today :) | 19:47 |
| bill20r3 | Sonej, congrats, I've been really happy with mine. | 19:48 |
| Sonej | Download apps now | 19:48 |
| Sonej | anything i should do thats "important"? | 19:49 |
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| bill20r3 | not that I can think of offhand. | 19:49 |
| bill20r3 | anyone have one of these? http://cgi.ebay.com/Freedom-Input-Mini-Duo-MiniDuo-Bluetooth-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ260028645487QQcategoryZ15036QQcmdZViewItem | 19:50 |
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| kulve | inz: can I some how run osso-xterm like "osso-xterm ssh foo@bar"? | 19:50 |
| daniels | bill20r3: clearly you need the awesome power of the nokia su-8w ;) | 19:50 |
| bill20r3 | su-8w? | 19:50 |
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| daniels | bill20r3: nokia bluetooth kb | 19:51 |
| Sonej | Do i need to install a ssh server on the n800 to get the terminal on my computer? | 19:51 |
| bill20r3 | sonej, no, just osso-xterm | 19:51 |
| Sonej | okey, will check it | 19:52 |
| * pippin wonders if he is brewing on the longest delivery time of getting a functional N800 yet :] (original unit was DOA, and returned to Nokia 2007-02-09 :d) | 19:53 | |
| Sonej | bill20r3 how do i do it exactly? | 19:55 |
| bill20r3 | with the application manager, but I think you have to add a repository first. (but I don't recall which one) | 19:58 |
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| Sonej | i see, i need to shape up on the linux thingy | 19:59 |
| Sonej | So should i upgrade to the latest firmware, was it worth it? | 19:59 |
| pippin | Sonej: not only will some quirks be fixed, you'll also get a couple of new apps, not upgrading seems stupid. | 20:01 |
| inz | kulve, /usr/bin/osso-xterm "ssh foo@bar" should work | 20:02 |
| inz | kulve, it uses launcher, so you need to use full path | 20:02 |
| Sonej | pippin then i will | 20:02 |
| kulve | inz: ok. Maybe creating a new desktop file would be nicest way to launch that..? | 20:03 |
| jonek | are any Google SoC mentors arround? | 20:05 |
| jonek | I would like to see some more feedback on the Java proposal. why does it get so few points? bad, uninteresting, not yet read? | 20:08 |
| bill20r3 | Mmmjava | 20:09 |
| jonek | bilboed: ? | 20:10 |
| jonek | *grgs* bill20r3: ? | 20:10 |
| bill20r3 | <-- not a mentor. | 20:10 |
| bill20r3 | but I'd like to see java on my N800 | 20:10 |
| * shackan_ too | 20:11 | |
| jonek | I guess many would like to see java in internet tablets | 20:11 |
| jonek | but apparently not so many mentors? | 20:11 |
| dragorn | for it to be worthwhile you'd need to port JIT i imagine | 20:13 |
| bill20r3 | they probablly have jobs, and stuff. | 20:13 |
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| jonek | or is this just tacticle behaviour? (don't give points to 'competing' proposals or something?) | 20:13 |
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| daniels | i can tell you for sure that there's no conspiracy, just a general lack of interest | 20:14 |
| jonek | dragorn: a JIT allread exists for the tablets! see "Java phoneME Advanced" | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | random observation: the screen of the N800 is so much better. the 770's was disturbingly grainy and rainbow-coloured | 20:14 |
| kulve | and the viewing angle is much better | 20:15 |
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| jonek | daniels: why is there lack of interest? developing in Java for internet tablets for make MUCH thing easier. Think of obsolete scratchbox environment (at least for all non-native stuff) like the proposal for ruby states, too. | 20:16 |
| jonek | s/for make/would make/ | 20:17 |
| spaetz | why would you need java when you have python ;-) | 20:17 |
| kulve | I don't understand why people dislike SB that much.. | 20:17 |
| spaetz | *ducks* | 20:17 |
| alp | ikvm and the mono jit work great on arm if you need java | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | yes, but why java when there's already python? | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | oh, darn, spaetz beat me to it | 20:17 |
| jonek | spaetz: :-) | 20:17 |
| daniels | kulve: people dislike scratchbox because it's crap | 20:17 |
| spaetz | :-) | 20:17 |
| spaetz | great minds think alike | 20:17 |
| alp | the caveat is that the java UI stuff is not completely implemented | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | kulve: 2 gigs of disk space... | 20:17 |
| kulve | daniels: right.. | 20:18 |
| daniels | jonek: i'm not saying it's because java's good or bad (personally, i think it's a good idea but all the implementations are shit), but it's just a simple and rather obvious fact that there's a general lack of interest from the core development community. | 20:18 |
| daniels | jonek: there seems to be some amount of interest from application writers mainly, but among core developers you never hear java even mentioned, whether that be for reasons of personal taste, performance, or whatever | 20:18 |
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| kulve | mgedmin: 2gigs? That's close to 0 bytes these days.. | 20:19 |
| jonek | daniels: by core developer you mean nokia employees? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | not on laptops with tiny hard disks... | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | 10% of a 20 gig partition | 20:19 |
| kulve | heh, can you byu a laptop with 20g hd today? | 20:19 |
| shackan_ | hello | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | otoh it prompted me to go out and buy a new 100 gig disk, so it wasn't all that bad | 20:20 |
| daniels | jonek: there does seem to be a strong correlation between the two groups | 20:20 |
| daniels | jonek: but we all have our own opinions. we're not paid by nokia to say that java is shit. if they were making us all share the corporate view, then we'd probably be a hell of a lot nicer about scratchbox. | 20:20 |
| kulve | mgedmin: I like SB. I use it e.g. compiling stuff for sarge env, since may "stable" envs doesn't have compilation stuff | 20:20 |
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| bipolar | kkito: ping | 20:21 |
| daniels | kulve: the idea is good. the implementation ... lauri's already apologised repeatedly, but i don't think he's bought me enough beer yet. | 20:21 |
| kulve | well, let's support he's new proposal.. I already compiled our music player (kilikali) for n800 with it. As an armel debian package.. | 20:22 |
| kulve | his | 20:22 |
| daniels | kulve: unfortunately touch has this nasty habit of segfaulting on 64-bit machines under sb2 | 20:23 |
| kulve | touch? Is that big thing to fix..? | 20:25 |
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| daniels | kulve: dunno, but it sucks when an app you generally assume will work, doesn't | 20:26 |
| kulve | sure | 20:26 |
| jonek | ok - I hope to see the java SoC proposal getting some more points during the next days. in my opinion it is a very valuable proposal and has great potential to attract more developers to maemo (just like Ruby, Python, you name it) | 20:26 |
| kulve | the whole sb2 idea seems to be so much cleaner than sb1, that it might be a good replacement with a little bit of work.. | 20:27 |
| kulve | (I'm not an expert that field though..) | 20:27 |
| kulve | +on | 20:28 |
| bilboed | jonek, ??? | 20:30 |
| zuh | sb2 has the pitfall that for things like maemo it would just move the requirements of the build tool to be requirements of the build machine... Then people say "but you can do a chroot..." and suddenly it's sb1 again, just with you doing the setup by hand ;) | 20:36 |
| zuh | I don't see that boosting anyones eagerness to start developing | 20:36 |
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| ocnarfidW | rhapsody is pretty cool. | 20:39 |
| ocnarfidW | I like how they don't make you give your email addy or any info for the 30 day trial. | 20:39 |
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| bill20r3 | I liked it, until I realized it was a real.com product. | 20:44 |
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| ocnarfidW | I never thought I would like a 'service' for music, but after having used the napster system last year for work I kind of like the idea of so many songs at your fingertips. | 20:44 |
| ocnarfidW | Thou I didn't like napsters software, it was junk. | 20:44 |
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| kulve | zuh: yeah. I think sb2 might need some sort of devkits too.. Unless the distros support this already, like debian provides rpm etc.. | 20:46 |
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| Tak | hopefully sb2 would help alleviate the huge unnecessary duplication for those of us who already have debian environments | 20:48 |
| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 20:48 |
| zuh | Tak: that's how it works actually, uses the tools of the host env | 20:49 |
| Tak | so I gather | 20:49 |
| zuh | and that's why my gentoo would need extra work to have it compiling maemo-packages... | 20:50 |
| dragorn | there shouldn't be many tools SB can use that aren't integral to SB | 20:50 |
| dragorn | dpkg builders are about all I can think of | 20:50 |
| dragorn | the compilers, packages, etc all have to be oriented for the target system so those can't be host-level | 20:51 |
| Tak | perl? python? all the associated libs therein? | 20:51 |
| Tak | autotools | 20:51 |
| dragorn | Not when you're running in cpu-transp mode | 20:51 |
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| Tak | why would it care if perl is native or not? it (theoretically) interprets the script the same either way | 20:52 |
| dragorn | if the goal is to have a replicated environment for the tablet, you want to eliminate as much funny host crossover as you can, typically | 20:52 |
| dragorn | different versions, different endian-ness in packing, etc | 20:52 |
| Tak | if anything, that should help to highlight bugs in the scripts | 20:52 |
| suihkulokki | well, it gets complicated | 20:53 |
| dragorn | Personally, after having to try to maintain things between platforms and hosts and distros | 20:53 |
| Tak | imo you should have the *option* of using as much existing infrastructure as possible | 20:53 |
| dragorn | I'd rather see a monolithic build env which chroots and is self-contained | 20:53 |
| kulve | running scripts as host, not target, can speed up things alot | 20:53 |
| Tak | as has already been mentioned, there's always a chroot | 20:53 |
| dragorn | and doesn't introduce host-distro wackiness | 20:53 |
| Tak | sure, but it also eats my entire disk | 20:54 |
| dragorn | Yeah, but disk is cheap. Sanity isn't. | 20:54 |
| suihkulokki | you want to run dpkg-buildpackage (perl script) as a host binary (to get much more speed), otoh you want target perl when compiling perl modules for device | 20:54 |
| Tak | the reverse is true in my case | 20:54 |
| Tak | (@ disk/sanity) | 20:54 |
| * zuh is afraid neither sb offers both | 20:55 | |
| dragorn | if you want people to develop for the platform, don't make their lives more difficult | 20:55 |
| Tak | how is giving people *more* options making their lives more difficult/ | 20:55 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: have you, btw, messed with the prism54-umac stuff any, or just happened to know about it? | 20:55 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: I'm going to have to hassle jean about it, because it's truly a mess. I spent about 5 hours the other day digging at it and didn't get far, it's unclear if that code bundle is even maintained anymore | 20:56 |
| suihkulokki | dragorn: I haven't touched, it's just something I mention to people who complain about the binary only driver :) | 20:56 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: Fair enough, I'll bug Jean about it and see what it'll take to build it into the newer stuff, and if it actually works | 20:57 |
| suihkulokki | dragorn: I fairly certain it isn't maintained anymore. there is p54 driver in the wireless-dev.git tree, using the devicescape wlan stack | 20:57 |
| suihkulokki | dragorn: without the spi-based communication channel, last I checked | 20:58 |
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| dragorn | suihkulokki: Yeah the whole d80211 thing throws a huge mess into it | 20:59 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: and pretty much tanks our chances of getting an OSS umac usable from it for a year or so given the rate of dev currently | 20:59 |
| kulve | inz: desktop file works nice. Thanks. | 20:59 |
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| suihkulokki | dragorn: yeah, I also got the impression that d80211 is moving at the speed of a tarred snail :( | 21:02 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: Well theres 2 competing stacks | 21:03 |
| dragorn | suihkulokki: and d80211 has never been in a standard kernel | 21:03 |
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| Sonej | What is a repository and why do i need it? for nmap and other. | 21:07 |
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| Tak | it's a collection of software you can access with the application manager | 21:09 |
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| bill20r3 | is there nmap available? that'd be great. | 21:10 |
| bill20r3 | and ping, even. | 21:10 |
| Tak | http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/ | 21:10 |
| bill20r3 | err, for the N800 | 21:10 |
| Tak | I thought ping was part of busybox? | 21:10 |
| Tak | yes, browse the link | 21:10 |
| maddler | tak... ping can be downloaded from garage... | 21:10 |
| bill20r3 | ok, thanks. | 21:10 |
| maddler | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=166 | 21:11 |
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| bill20r3 | thanks for the link Tak, lots of goodies there. | 21:14 |
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| Knowledge_ | what does SVN stand for? | 21:28 |
| Tak | subversion | 21:28 |
| s-ndh-c_ | Knowledge_: subversion its a version control system | 21:29 |
| Knowledge_ | I see... | 21:29 |
| s-ndh-c_ | its the successor of cvs | 21:29 |
| Tak | I think they just felt like they had to have a 3-letter acronym after cvs, rcs, and friends | 21:29 |
| Knowledge_ | thanks for clarifying...I was getting confused for instance, with the Simple launcher, mishaS kept saying SVN seems to be solved... | 21:30 |
| Knowledge_ | man, I wonder why my background keeps disappearing... | 21:31 |
| Knowledge_ | along with my top bar where the menu is | 21:31 |
| Tak | didn't somebody mention that being a low memory issue? | 21:32 |
| Knowledge_ | no shit?...man, that makes sense, our Jukeboxes do that too when the memory is corrupt or low... | 21:33 |
| Knowledge_ | but I'm booting from MMC... | 21:33 |
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| Tak | that doesn't affect the amount of memory (as in RAM), does it? | 21:33 |
| Knowledge_ | I believe it does...I thought that was the whole reasoning behind doing that...no?... | 21:34 |
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| Tak | I thought the reasoning behind doing it was to have more room for the root fs | 21:35 |
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| Knowledge_ | hmmm, is there a way around it? | 21:44 |
| Knowledge_ | aside from a 128mb swap which I already have... | 21:45 |
| dragorn | "run less stuff" | 21:45 |
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| Knowledge_ | Believe it or not, I only had one thing running when it did it (this time)...application manager... | 21:45 |
| Knowledge_ | I have the home weather, google search, radio, simple launcher, clock, and discover tableteer...but I didn't think those would take up THAT much... | 21:46 |
| Knowledge_ | seems like a reboot is the only thing that takes care of it... | 21:46 |
| Tak | omweather is notorious for eating ram | 21:47 |
| Tak | do 'top' and 'free' give any useful information? | 21:47 |
| Knowledge_ | oh, didn't know that... | 21:47 |
| Knowledge_ | that's right... | 21:47 |
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| Knowledge_ | side question, Rhapsody!, didn't nokia have a media player that looked exactly the same for the 770 which allowed you to play your own MP3s? | 21:55 |
| dev | Knowledge_: MediaStreamer | 21:56 |
| Knowledge_ | damn it, that's right. I'm such an airhead some times...fine, quite a bit of the time | 21:57 |
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| lsobral | hi, does anyone now if there will be an update release for the current bora sdk rootstrap for the new N800 image? | 22:01 |
| kulve | "The corresponding maemo SDK will be released very soon. Maemo developers stay tuned." | 22:01 |
| kulve | maemo.org mai page | 22:01 |
| kulve | main | 22:01 |
| Knowledge_ | Mem: total = 127252, used = 120932, free = 6320 | 22:02 |
| Knowledge_ | that's where I'm screwed? | 22:02 |
| Tak | eek | 22:02 |
| lsobral | kulve, ok! | 22:02 |
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| Tak | same thing with swap? | 22:02 |
| Knowledge_ | actually no, swap I have 131060 total, 128 used, 130932 free | 22:03 |
| Knowledge_ | that's odd... | 22:03 |
| Tak | so you should be ok | 22:03 |
| Knowledge_ | hmm, so I shouldn't be getting these white screens? | 22:04 |
| Tak | well, so they may not be being caused by lack of memory | 22:04 |
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| Knowledge_ | damn... | 22:15 |
| Knowledge_ | I wonder if I should take the OMWeather panel off of the home screen and see how that runs... | 22:15 |
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| Knowledge_ | is there a repository for the apps that are in garage.maemo.org? | 22:35 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 22:49 |
| s-ndh-c_ | Knowledge_: i think its repository.maemo.org/extras | 22:50 |
| Knowledge_ | s-ndh-c_: I'll try to add that | 22:54 |
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| * qgil play IRC lottery: anybody here feeling like mentoring "Enterprise-class cryptographic filesystem" or "DBAssistant - SQL Database builder and data entry" or even "VPN Integration that Just Works" | 23:20 | |
| koen | "enterprise-class" triggers my buzzword alert | 23:21 |
| koen | DBAssistant sounds like what Glom does | 23:22 |
| qgil | koen, buzzword appart the cryptographic filesystem proposal is well presented and is hitting a clear void in maemo | 23:25 |
| qgil | good point about Glom, will ask | 23:25 |
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| florian | all of these might be pretty cool projects... | 23:27 |
| * florian needs more time | 23:27 | |
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| qgil | so far the ranking of proposals is looking good | 23:32 |
| qgil | I have no idea how many projects will Google approve but the top positions are already showing interesting projects with a lot of pre-work done by the students | 23:32 |
| jonek | hi qgil, I hope more mentors would commen and rate the Java proposal. | 23:32 |
| qgil | I did my part, jonek :) | 23:33 |
| jonek | is there an easy way to reach all maemo mentors? | 23:33 |
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| jonek | qgil: I've seen that! thx | 23:33 |
| qgil | maemo-developers is supposed to be the default place | 23:33 |
| qgil | my philosophy has been that mentors needing to be chased now won't be good mentors later on, so they better drop themselves :/ | 23:34 |
| jonek | qgil: I read some of the SoC site of other mentoring organisations. Our wiki SoC page feels a little thin | 23:34 |
| qgil | jonek: what do you miss? | 23:35 |
| tigert | hi quim | 23:35 |
| qgil | hi :) | 23:35 |
| tigert | darn. I bought this monitor | 23:35 |
| tigert | and fscking linux plug and play my butt :P | 23:35 |
| jonek | qgil: I'll think about it and tell you tomorrow | 23:35 |
| koen | tigert: 30" tft? | 23:35 |
| tigert | 22" | 23:35 |
| tigert | 1680x1050 | 23:35 |
| koen | nice | 23:35 |
| qgil | jonek, before you think too much: | 23:35 |
| tigert | but my thinkpad doesnt display in it | 23:35 |
| tigert | well, it gets the mode wrong | 23:36 |
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| qgil | that page was mainly to convince Google we were worth as approved organization (accomplished) and to orientate students when submitting proposals (I think we have got the amount/quality we needed) | 23:36 |
| qgil | tigert: now you know how hard is the life of Homo Hominis in the XXIst century | 23:37 |
| tigert | yeah | 23:37 |
| daniels | tigert: what sort of thinkpad? | 23:37 |
| daniels | tigert: i.e. intel or ati chipset | 23:37 |
| tigert | daniels: x40, intel | 23:37 |
| jonek | yep - definitly. maemo has many nicely written proposals | 23:37 |
| tigert | I have the patching thingy | 23:37 |
| tigert | ie "915resolution" util | 23:37 |
| tigert | but it gets the mode wrong after this | 23:37 |
| daniels | tigert: i'll come around friday if i manage to get into the office before you leave | 23:37 |
| qgil | jonek: I don't think google will approve less or more slots based on that page, they rather look at the proposals in the top ranks | 23:38 |
| tigert | the display is at home though | 23:38 |
| daniels | tigert: swap you fully working hotpluggable x for a logo ;) | 23:38 |
| tigert | daniels: but this would be sweet deal in any case | 23:38 |
| tigert | :) | 23:38 |
| tigert | logo for what? | 23:38 |
| tigert | will look into this definitely :) | 23:38 |
| qgil | but hey, it's a wiki page - feel free to make it thicker yourself ;) | 23:38 |
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| jonek | qgil: doesn't google approve all proposals above the light blue line? | 23:38 |
| daniels | tigert: logo for x.org | 23:39 |
| tigert | daniels: oh | 23:39 |
| tigert | ok | 23:39 |
| daniels | :) | 23:39 |
| qgil | that light blue line is there because I put a value in the maemo edit page, I can move it at any point (now, I believe not in the future) | 23:39 |
| daniels | tigert: which distribution are you using, btw? | 23:39 |
| qgil | jonek (let me check...) | 23:40 |
| tigert | ubuntu dapper | 23:40 |
| tigert | no wait | 23:40 |
| tigert | edgy | 23:40 |
| tigert | duh | 23:40 |
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| tigert | yeah, edgy | 23:40 |
| daniels | okay, that's easy | 23:40 |
| tigert | the latest stable I think | 23:40 |
| tigert | feisty is unstable right? | 23:41 |
| qgil | jonek: check now the applications rank :) | 23:41 |
| jonek | qgil: just keep it below 8 ;-) | 23:41 |
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| qgil | jonek why 8? | 23:41 |
| jonek | it changed | 23:42 |
| tigert | daniels: it complains about the RAMDAC being too fast for the DDC timings | 23:42 |
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| tigert | daniels: yet I found some modelines for this exact monitor from google | 23:42 |
| jonek | qgil: bit it doesn't seem to only depend on the score | 23:42 |
| tigert | but I think I just need to try another computer at this, to get it working with something other than intel card, and then use xvidtune to find the modeline | 23:42 |
| jonek | s/it/but/ | 23:42 |
| qgil | jonek: the proposals with mentor go to the top, then the ones without mentor, the score ranks proposals within these two groups | 23:43 |
| koen | tigert: RAMDACS for dvi? | 23:43 |
| MDK | i guess it's vga | 23:43 |
| jonek | qgil: yep | 23:43 |
| daniels | tigert: you really need a current intel driver and server | 23:43 |
| koen | 1600x1200 with vga? | 23:43 |
| koen | insane | 23:43 |
| daniels | tigert: the other one is ... uh ... how to say this? siht. | 23:43 |
| daniels | also, shit. | 23:43 |
| koen | s/vga/analog/ | 23:43 |
| tigert | daniels: right | 23:44 |
| MDK | koen: why insane? | 23:44 |
| tigert | so then it JustWorks(tm) | 23:44 |
| tigert | ? | 23:44 |
| tigert | without modeline crap | 23:44 |
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| jonek | qgil: cu | 23:44 |
| tigert | koen: sure, I'd love to use DVI if the machine had such a thing | 23:44 |
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| qgil | bye | 23:45 |
| koen | MDK: the cables aren't made for so much information | 23:45 |
| tigert | but the image is pretty OK at work on the 1600x1200 panel | 23:45 |
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| koen | tigert: lucky bastard | 23:45 |
| koen | tigert: actually, the lack of dvi made me buy a 12" powerbook instead of a 12" tp | 23:46 |
| tigert | koen: yeah, I like this small laptop | 23:46 |
| koen | tigert: iirc the dockingstation has dvi | 23:46 |
| MDK | tigert: don't you have dvi output in the docking station somehow? | 23:46 |
| tigert | I have two 21" sony CRT's I need to get rid of soon | 23:46 |
| tigert | those weigh like 50kg a piece | 23:46 |
| tigert | koen: nope | 23:46 |
| MDK | my tp doesn't have dvi output too, but the docking station has it | 23:46 |
| tigert | no dvi on the dock either | 23:46 |
| tigert | afaik | 23:47 |
| MDK | maybe you can try my dock tomorrow? | 23:47 |
| tigert | not on the "ultrabase" for X-series | 23:47 |
| tigert | it wont fit | 23:47 |
| koen | MDK: right, the docks at indt had dvi as wel | 23:47 |
| tigert | this is all teeny-weenie special crap | 23:47 |
| tigert | daniels: are there packages for bleeding edge X available? | 23:47 |
| koen | tigert: having BNC plugs helped a lot | 23:47 |
| koen | (and a matrox g400 instead of some geforge crap) | 23:48 |
| tigert | koen: yeah, I have those on the CRT's | 23:48 |
| tigert | and I had G400's yeah | 23:49 |
| tigert | on the desktop machine | 23:49 |
| tigert | well, one | 23:49 |
| tigert | :) | 23:49 |
| tigert | the other screen was for teh mac | 23:49 |
| tigert | but those beasts are huge | 23:49 |
| daniels | tigert: yeah, i think deb http://www.fooishbar.org/packages/randr-1.2/ edgy/$(ARCH)/ | 23:49 |
| tigert | just add those and dist-upgrade? :) | 23:50 |
| MDK | good luck | 23:50 |
| tigert | hell, my spec review was today | 23:50 |
| tigert | there's time to break things now :) | 23:50 |
| daniels | tigert: in theory, yeah | 23:52 |
| daniels | tigert: it worked for quim, after i broke everything by running ross's packages of despair | 23:52 |
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| tigert | ok | 23:52 |
| tigert | :) | 23:52 |
| rhsanborn | Bah, I think my bluetooth has died.... | 23:52 |
| daniels | i should probably update the server and drivers, but am in the middle of starting the x.org wiki from scratch | 23:52 |
| tigert | so this is the X keith was hyping about? | 23:52 |
| daniels | yeah | 23:52 |
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| daniels | the magical new x which is all covered in rainbows and sunshine and shit | 23:52 |
| tigert | xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver | 23:53 |
| tigert | this? | 23:53 |
| tigert | should depend on all that is needed, right? | 23:53 |
| Tak | rofl | 23:53 |
| daniels | tigert: haha | 23:53 |
| daniels | tigert: i mean ... sure! | 23:53 |
| tigert | man | 23:53 |
| tigert | that was so disturbing | 23:53 |
| daniels | tigert: i think you need xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-core, libxrandr2, and xrandr | 23:53 |
| tigert | [maniac laughter] .. erm, sure!" | 23:53 |
| daniels | in order to ensure the full awesome experience | 23:53 |
| daniels | tigert: you should hang around x more. 'so, this function does what i expect it to, right?' 'haha! er ... yeah.' | 23:54 |
| rhsanborn | Has anyone had the experience where BT wouldn't turn on on the 800? Or 770 for that matter? | 23:54 |
| tigert | erm | 23:54 |
| tigert | I get 404's | 23:54 |
| * tigert looks | 23:54 | |
| tigert | ah | 23:55 |
| tigert | one extra ranrd-1.2 there | 23:55 |
| tigert | hmm | 23:55 |
| koen | shouldn't xserver-xorg-video-intel pull in the needed de(p)(b)s? | 23:56 |
| tigert | daniels: yer repo is le borken | 23:56 |
| tigert | Filename: randr-1.2//libdrm-dev_2.3.0-0ds1_amd64.deb | 23:56 |
| tigert | and | 23:56 |
| tigert | then its already in randr-1.2 / | 23:56 |
| tigert | so it is putting the path twice | 23:56 |
| tigert | ..? | 23:56 |
| tigert | no wait | 23:57 |
| Knowledge_ | yeap, I don't think memory is my issue, I think there might be a bug with the application manager being full screened... | 23:57 |
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| tigert | rhsanborn: yes | 23:58 |
| tigert | rhsanborn: sometimes | 23:58 |
| tigert | turning on bt from control panel usually helps, but it is truly annoying | 23:58 |
| rhsanborn | tigert, It won't turn on via the control panel | 23:59 |
| rhsanborn | I've tried it a few times, tried power cycling...etc | 23:59 |
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