| alterego | Crap .. That was my next idea ^_^ | 00:00 |
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| str | alterego: yes... | 00:00 |
| alterego | :/ | 00:00 |
| lle2 | maybe there's an undocumented mute feature | 00:01 |
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| alterego | O_o | 00:02 |
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| alterego | He says he can hear the radio, so you're using head phones for that. What about whilst watching video or listening to audio? | 00:03 |
| alterego | Does the FM radio produce static out of the loudspeakers? | 00:03 |
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| DRoBeR | Hello and good night! | 00:08 |
| DRoBeR | At last I have an N800 :) | 00:08 |
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| str_ | stupid connection :( | 00:09 |
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| DRoBeR | Hello, str :) | 00:09 |
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| str_ | so... again.... no one knows what could be with my sound :'( | 00:09 |
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| alterego | Sorry :/ | 00:14 |
| dk00 | Hi there, I'm curious if my Nokia LD-3W has compat issues with maemo mapper - it is constantly stuck at establishing gps fix screen... any ideas? | 00:14 |
| dk00 | Is there a way to see if correct channel is being used, or a place to modify it? | 00:14 |
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| pupnik | dunno sorry | 00:18 |
| pupnik | got a simpler question/ | 00:18 |
| pupnik | ? | 00:18 |
| alterego | Hah | 00:18 |
| pupnik | :) | 00:18 |
| alterego | dk00, how long have you had the device? | 00:18 |
| pupnik | str_: do you get system sounds? i.e. when starting up? | 00:19 |
| dk00 | heh, alterego both are newly acquired. | 00:20 |
| dk00 | ive updated the 770 with latest software... | 00:20 |
| dk00 | 2006 3.xxx | 00:20 |
| alterego | Oh, I was talking to str sorry :) | 00:20 |
| dk00 | ahh, help! | 00:21 |
| alterego | Hmm .. | 00:21 |
| dk00 | is there more specific nokia 770 support chane? | 00:21 |
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| alterego | Well, I know a bit about BT and a bit about GPS. But unfortunately I've never used my N800 with a GPS :/ | 00:21 |
| alterego | So I can't help you I'm afriad. | 00:21 |
| dk00 | damn. | 00:21 |
| alterego | Oh wait. | 00:21 |
| dk00 | waiting... :) | 00:21 |
| alterego | Do you have a console? | 00:21 |
| dk00 | ah, yes i can install xterm | 00:22 |
| dk00 | after flash all is gone, so need toreinstall | 00:22 |
| * alterego tries to remember how these things work .. | 00:22 | |
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| dk00 | is there a way to see further details when a 'package is incompatible with current software' | 00:23 |
| dk00 | these messages are so damn vague | 00:23 |
| alterego | Urm .. | 00:24 |
| alterego | There should be a dep list. | 00:24 |
| pupnik | there's a log in the app manager | 00:25 |
| alterego | Oh wow .. I wasn't expecting that .. | 00:25 |
| dk00 | aha, thanks pupnik | 00:25 |
| alterego | I didn't realise the status bar would expand downwards ^_^ | 00:25 |
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| dk00 | section: user/FOO must have user to be compatible] | 00:26 |
| dk00 | while trying to install downloaded .deb of osso-xterm | 00:26 |
| pupnik | the packager made a mistake then | 00:26 |
| dk00 | yikes | 00:26 |
| dk00 | can edit package? | 00:26 |
| pupnik | but i think you might have found an outdated version | 00:27 |
| dk00 | hmm | 00:27 |
| pupnik | cause those mistakes get fixed fast | 00:27 |
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| dk00 | is there a main repository to access? | 00:27 |
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| pupnik | xterm? | 00:27 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard | 00:27 |
| dk00 | to acquire these apps? | 00:27 |
| dk00 | thanks | 00:27 |
| alterego | osso-xterm is what I use on my N800 and 770 | 00:27 |
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| dk00 | is there an app catalog for that? | 00:28 |
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| pupnik | looks like osso-xterm-advanced should be in the default repository | 00:28 |
| pupnik | Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb | 00:30 |
| pupnik | section: maemo/Applications hrm?! | 00:30 |
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| pupnik | guess it's not in user section... oh well - that's the xterm I gots | 00:30 |
| dk00 | thanks. | 00:30 |
| dk00 | altergo, what did u suggest i check when i access console | 00:31 |
| alterego | Right, can you get root? | 00:31 |
| alterego | Oh wait, you might not have too. | 00:31 |
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| alterego | No, you shouldn't need root. | 00:32 |
| dk00 | ok... | 00:32 |
| alterego | Right, exec: hcitool con | 00:32 |
| alterego | When the application is running. | 00:32 |
| alterego | That should tell you if you're connected to the device or not. | 00:32 |
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| dk00 | mmapper tells me the device is connected | 00:33 |
| alterego | Well what did you want to know then? | 00:34 |
| dk00 | it is stuck at establishing gps fix | 00:34 |
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| dk00 | i was wondering if there are some channels that could be not correctly configured | 00:34 |
| alterego | What channels? | 00:34 |
| alterego | Bluetooth channels? | 00:34 |
| dk00 | yes | 00:35 |
| dk00 | any hardware settings in other words | 00:35 |
| alterego | If it's connected then it's connected. | 00:35 |
| alterego | You can always check to see if there's a /dev/rfcomX entry | 00:35 |
| [31d1] | have you tried it outside? so you can actually get a gps fix? | 00:35 |
| dk00 | momment, installing xerm | 00:35 |
| dk00 | xterm. | 00:35 |
| _Monkey | i heard xterm was the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard | 00:35 |
| alterego | That could get annoying .. | 00:36 |
| alterego | ruby | 00:36 |
| alterego | _Monkey doesn't know ruby :( | 00:36 |
| _Monkey | alterego: excuse me? | 00:36 |
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| alterego | You heard. | 00:36 |
| dk00 | lol | 00:36 |
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| dk00 | hcitool con outputs a connection | 00:37 |
| dk00 | < ACL xxmacxx handle 1 state 1 1m MASTER | 00:37 |
| dk00 | oohhhhh what is going on here! | 00:37 |
| dk00 | 3/12 sats | 00:37 |
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| dk00 | but no fix still, progress bar moved though. | 00:38 |
| dk00 | something is getting better! | 00:38 |
| dk00 | how sensitive is the gps unit to obstructions,... walls. buildings in area? | 00:38 |
| dk00 | (first gps unit) | 00:38 |
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| [31d1] | mine has a hard time getting a fix unless im really outside | 00:39 |
| [31d1] | i.e not out of the window | 00:39 |
| dk00 | i see.. i got this building right beside me | 00:39 |
| [31d1] | in the car is not bad, but indoors is bad | 00:39 |
| dk00 | and im inside as well. | 00:39 |
| dk00 | thanks, 12 sats in view | 00:39 |
| dk00 | 3 in use | 00:39 |
| dk00 | but still hasnt "fixed" | 00:39 |
| dk00 | if that is the term | 00:40 |
| [31d1] | yeah you're just obstructed | 00:40 |
| [31d1] | go outside and it will work fine im sure | 00:40 |
| dk00 | ahh, outside for a smoke | 00:40 |
| dk00 | brb ;) | 00:40 |
| dk00 | damn swedish rain | 00:40 |
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| [31d1] | better swedish rain than raining swedish meatballs, is what i always say | 00:41 |
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| [31d1] | the quality of your rain is more than made up for by the quality of your bikini team | 00:43 |
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| DRoBeR | Did you try openssh-server on your N800, people? | 00:46 |
| dk00 | back, that was pretty cool it finally worked | 00:52 |
| dk00 | even auto downloaded some map | 00:53 |
| dk00 | though the street i am on is not there | 00:53 |
| dk00 | and oddly enough, it was detecting my smoke break at 7.1km/hr lol | 00:53 |
| [31d1] | heh | 00:53 |
| dk00 | back inside the building, 0/9 sats lot signal | 00:53 |
| [31d1] | 'a quick smoke'' | 00:53 |
| dk00 | i thought they were better.. | 00:54 |
| dk00 | sirf iii | 00:54 |
| [31d1] | nah - cellphone ones work inside cause they do assisted gps afaik | 00:54 |
| dk00 | interesting | 00:54 |
| [31d1] | ie triangulate from towers | 00:54 |
| dk00 | assisted by gsm perhaps? | 00:54 |
| dk00 | yep, makes sense to me | 00:54 |
| [31d1] | im just glad it works through the car roof and in my pocket | 00:55 |
| dk00 | must be, because a friends blackberry was doing gps with no problems in a basement | 00:55 |
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| [31d1] | yeah | 00:56 |
| dk00 | hah, the red "route" it drew is a funny scribble | 00:56 |
| dk00 | though i wasnt moving | 00:56 |
| dk00 | ok, so... thats figured out | 00:56 |
| dk00 | what are some interesting apps for this 770 | 00:56 |
| [31d1] | yeah it'll be off a bit at high zoom. works surprisingly well when driving | 00:56 |
| dk00 | is there a good place to aquire higher detailed maps? | 00:57 |
| dk00 | integrating directions, poi etc | 00:57 |
| [31d1] | you gotta look around for 'repositories' thats about all you get though | 00:57 |
| dk00 | ok, thanks | 00:57 |
| [31d1] | theres a googlemaps->gpx convertor at gnuite/maemo-mapper site | 00:58 |
| * pupnik hates nls | 00:58 | |
| [31d1] | so you can convert directions to a route | 00:58 |
| dk00 | nice, gpx sounds cool | 00:59 |
| dk00 | what kind of maps are compatible? is there a standard? | 00:59 |
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| [31d1] | i think he adds new ones as people find them - the standard is a url with exactly 3 variables in order x y and zoom | 01:02 |
| [31d1] | but some munging is required for each one i think | 01:02 |
| [31d1] | internettablettalk has threads with different map urls | 01:02 |
| [31d1] | that work | 01:02 |
| [31d1] | you gotta poke around to find them cause i guess its a bit of a legal gray area | 01:03 |
| dk00 | cool thanks | 01:03 |
| dk00 | itt is the "main" forum? | 01:03 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 01:05 |
| dk00 | great, thanks guys | 01:05 |
| dk00 | now time to unlock this nokia 6300 bb5... grrr | 01:06 |
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| pupnik | UAE is frustrating | 01:12 |
| * pupnik prays the next nokia tablet has OpenGL | 01:13 | |
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| bedboi | hmmm opengl?? | 01:15 |
| pupnik | yeah, it's pretty uncertain since opengl isn't central to the purpose of the tablet | 01:16 |
| pupnik | but... just one nice application - arbitrary scaling for 2D emulators/games | 01:17 |
| pupnik | also much faster compositing/transparency for 2D games and apps | 01:17 |
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| pupnik | is there an strace for the tablet? | 01:29 |
| pupnik | oh duh yes | 01:29 |
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| pupnik | god bless strace | 01:43 |
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| pupnik | hi beavis | 01:46 |
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| alterego | Ruby maemo is now packaged :) | 02:26 |
| pupnik | nice | 02:27 |
| * alterego uploads uploads uploads! | 02:27 | |
| pupnik | for web work? | 02:27 |
| alterego | No, hildon bindings .. | 02:27 |
| alterego | For creating GUI apps. | 02:27 |
| alterego | Just gotta do some finishing touches to my maemo website and it'll be open for business :) | 02:28 |
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| alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | great! another language for the tablets | 02:30 |
| alterego | :)_ | 02:31 |
| alterego | Once I've uploaded the API docs too and a bit of text describing the stuff I'll advertise it on the mailing list. | 02:31 |
| alterego | Right now though, it's all there ready to be used :) | 02:31 |
| alterego | I build that site and cleaned up all the source. As well as learned and packaged all of the packages O_O | 02:32 |
| alterego | It's been quite a day. | 02:32 |
| alterego | I even put little icons on all of the packages in the application installer :) Quite proud of those ^_^ | 02:32 |
| pupnik | cool... | 02:37 |
| pupnik | i have to do that too | 02:37 |
| pupnik | are there any menu-launchable applications then? or just command-line? | 02:37 |
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| pupnik | very productive day then alterego congratulations | 02:39 |
| alterego | Just command line. There's no libosso bindings yet., | 02:40 |
| alterego | That is my next tast. | 02:40 |
| alterego | ~task | 02:40 |
| alterego | So can't add apps to the application launcher. | 02:40 |
| alterego | But the hildon bindings work a treat. I've wrote a few GUI apps and examples. | 02:40 |
| alterego | I've been using the osso-graph-applet as a launcher menu for my ruby apps so far. | 02:41 |
| pupnik | interesting | 02:43 |
| pupnik | no understanding here - i am always in sdl-land | 02:43 |
| alterego | :) | 02:43 |
| alterego | I'll make ruby SDL bindings too ;) | 02:43 |
| alterego | I'm going to single handedly show those Python boyz who's boss :P | 02:44 |
| pupnik | hehe | 02:44 |
| alterego | I do have some plans for my ruby-maemo ports. | 02:45 |
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| pupnik | i've met a couple of smart people who love ruby | 02:47 |
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| alterego | Yup, they sound smart. :D | 02:48 |
| * kupesoft waits for a new cx3110x driver that has packet injection | 02:48 | |
| alterego | Did you not say that earlier? | 02:48 |
| alterego | I think kupesoft really wants those cx3110x packet injector enabled driverz. | 02:49 |
| kupesoft | Yeah. | 02:49 |
| kupesoft | I did. | 02:49 |
| kupesoft | And I do. | 02:49 |
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| alterego | :) | 02:50 |
| pupnik | maybe you can organize some sponsors for development | 02:54 |
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| Deformati | Hmm. | 02:55 |
| Deformati | Didn't have time to do anything on the mailing list. | 02:55 |
| Deformati | I still need to get my hub and/or storage cards. | 02:55 |
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| pupnik | wormux wants 109 MB RAM | 03:14 |
| pupnik | >_< | 03:14 |
| * Deformati wants 109mb of ram | 03:15 | |
| Deformati | :) | 03:15 |
| pupnik | what to do what to do... | 03:16 |
| Deformati | Try to compile onboard gcc | 03:17 |
| pupnik | i thought that was done already | 03:17 |
| Deformati | Yeah, but no directions. | 03:17 |
| Deformati | And it is 3.44 | 03:17 |
| Deformati | Which is sucky. | 03:17 |
| Deformati | I want 4.1.2 | 03:17 |
| Deformati | NOT 4.2 | 03:18 |
| pupnik | what happens when you build gcc in scratchbox? | 03:18 |
| Deformati | Missing file. | 03:19 |
| Deformati | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-ar: libgcc/./_udivsi3.o: No such file or directory | 03:19 |
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| pupnik | hmm chicken-and-egg problem perhaps | 03:19 |
| Deformati | Not really. | 03:20 |
| Deformati | Just scratchbox suckage problem. | 03:20 |
| Deformati | :) | 03:20 |
| Deformati | If I had more storage I could _try_ to compile it right on the nokia. | 03:23 |
| Deformati | I guess I could try with nfs or something.. | 03:23 |
| unique311 | hello | 03:25 |
| unique311 | all | 03:25 |
| unique311 | k, so i downloaded avot mv for my ppc6700, and notice that it plays youtube videos much better than my N800. | 03:26 |
| Deformati | I should theme my nokia 770 | 03:27 |
| unique311 | possibel to run wm6 on my N800 ;) | 03:27 |
| pupnik | "Love is like a snowmobile, racing across the tundra. You're speeding along happily, but then suddenly it flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." | 03:27 |
| pupnik | finally i find out where iceweasel comes from | 03:27 |
| pupnik | hey unique311 ... you seem to have a lot of fun toys :/ | 03:28 |
| unique311 | yeah | 03:29 |
| unique311 | the ppc is really nice. | 03:29 |
| unique311 | was my fav before the N800. | 03:29 |
| unique311 | but lately been using the ppc more than the N800 | 03:29 |
| unique311 | I just left avot media feedback requesting a nokia client. its a free software, hopefully someone over there has a heart. | 03:34 |
| unique311 | so anyone a proud owner of an itouch yet? | 03:34 |
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| pupnik | Nope | 03:41 |
| pupnik | do you want to test pingus or wormux? | 03:41 |
| pupnik | they're both too big for me to host right now | 03:42 |
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| unique311 | pingus or wormux | 03:54 |
| unique311 | my tablet sucks right now.. | 03:54 |
| unique311 | i have to reflash, but not touching so i don't have to anytime soon. | 03:55 |
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| Deformati | Tomorrow I will hopefully have time to join the mailing list and get some halp. | 04:40 |
| Deformati | But now, I need sleep. | 04:40 |
| Deformati | o/ | 04:40 |
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| pupnik | unique311: both are too bloated to run well on the 770 unfortunately | 05:13 |
| NeoStrider | whats the game of the turn? | 05:16 |
| unique311 | how big? both? | 05:17 |
| unique311 | I'll try when i set up my sd card for dual boot. | 05:17 |
| pupnik | ok well wormux seems to need about 109 MB *ram* | 05:24 |
| pupnik | and pingus at about 65 MB | 05:24 |
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| disq | anybody wants to test the new kagu before we upload it to the repositories? | 05:39 |
| disq | huge changelog: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=898 | 05:39 |
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| unique311 | disq: I'll test | 06:15 |
| disq | can get it from https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=304 :) | 06:18 |
| disq | erm, the kagu project garage page that is | 06:18 |
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| disq | night | 06:50 |
| unique311 | ww | 06:53 |
| unique311 | disq | 06:54 |
| unique311 | nice | 06:54 |
| unique311 | the colors rock | 06:54 |
| bedboi | unique311: what colors? | 06:57 |
| _Monkey | colors are not coming to me. | 06:57 |
| pupnik | take more LSD | 06:57 |
| bedboi | lol | 06:57 |
| bedboi | i don't have LSD handy | 06:58 |
| unique311 | kagu | 06:58 |
| unique311 | download the new version | 06:58 |
| unique311 | great job on the gui | 06:58 |
| unique311 | new icons | 06:59 |
| bedboi | lets try | 07:01 |
| unique311 | willing to donate a couple of bucks to you guys now...lol...awesome job. | 07:02 |
| bedboi | yea much better | 07:02 |
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| unique311 | fancy screen visualization, and it'll be complete....future request maybe? | 07:07 |
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| unique311 | my bluetooth headset still doesn't work with it, so thats a - | 07:19 |
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| saaib_ | I'm trying to install maemo mapper into my 770, but can't find the sqlite3 dependency nowhere in garage | 07:29 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 07:30 |
| _Monkey | i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 07:30 |
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| saaib_ | thanks pupnik , I'm trsting now the 770 they send back | 07:31 |
| saaib_ | I notice the signal level of the AP in the 770 show very low compared to my laptop.. (I have the AP in the same desk) | 07:31 |
| saaib_ | do anyone knows of any issue like this? | 07:32 |
| pupnik | i do not. My 770 has reception as good as or better than my wlan cards/dongles | 07:33 |
| saaib_ | the previous 770 had very good reception as well | 07:33 |
| pupnik | in the same room you should have full signal | 07:33 |
| pupnik | :( | 07:34 |
| saaib_ | I was in the living room and I couldn't get the signal | 07:34 |
| saaib_ | I had the laptop in the living room also and it was showing full excellent signal | 07:34 |
| pupnik | i don't know any tricks. maybe someone has info on the forums | 07:35 |
| saaib_ | looks like this is going to be a long night :) | 07:35 |
| pupnik | i have signal problems but that is because this house is massive concrete and germany limits TX power to 100mw | 07:37 |
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| wayg | http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ | 09:16 |
| -wayg- http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ | 09:16 | |
| wayg | URL http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ | 09:16 |
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| cosmo | anyone installed 4.0 beta yet? | 10:50 |
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| robtaylor | Hey, does anyone know how to unbreak my theme on sardine? I have hildon-theme-plankton-3 installed, but everything's juste gtting rendered with default gtk thesme, and switching it in the theme switcher doesnt seem to have an effect.. | 12:01 |
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| timeless | !seen tim samoff | 12:02 |
| timeless | any one have his contact info? | 12:03 |
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| alterego | Is there a document explaining the differences between 2.X and 3.X ? | 12:48 |
| alterego | I'm getting a segfault with a hildon app. | 12:48 |
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| Nermal | lo lo | 12:53 |
| Nermal | how would I go about pairing a bluetooth device with my n800 that has a non numeric pair code ? :) | 12:53 |
| gla55_ | never ran into one that used non numeric | 12:54 |
| alterego | O_o | 12:56 |
| mgedmin | does it have a hardcoded pairing code? | 12:56 |
| Nermal | aye | 12:56 |
| mgedmin | usually the devices let you enter any code you like | 12:56 |
| Nermal | NAVMAN :| | 12:56 |
| * Nermal sighs | 12:56 | |
| timeless | !seen tim samoff | 12:59 |
| timeless | any one have his contact info? | 13:00 |
| Nermal | whats his online nick ? | 13:01 |
| timeless | dunno ;) | 13:01 |
| alterego | Ahaha .. | 13:02 |
| timeless | all i have is his blog and i need to email him | 13:02 |
| Nermal | hum | 13:02 |
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| Nermal | where is the user .gconf dir in maemo ? | 13:13 |
| Nermal | tis not in ~/.gconf :| | 13:13 |
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| timeless | /var/lib | 13:21 |
| timeless | maemo isn 't multiuser ;) | 13:21 |
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| Nermal | timeless: ah | 13:33 |
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| Nermal | hmm.. copied an existing bluetooth gconf entry and updated the %gconf.xml file | 13:33 |
| Nermal | but still not appearing in gconf-editor :| | 13:33 |
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| alterego | Almost done .. Me thinks .. | 13:50 |
| alterego | Yup :) Now I've got the bindings on mistral ^_^ | 13:52 |
| alterego | Not happy about the method mind. I'll have to work on that a bit more. | 13:53 |
| jani | arent %files in gconf are just temp files which are used while saving to ensure that nothing is lost if writing happens. | 13:53 |
| unique311 | morning all | 13:57 |
| timeless | they're the persistent ones afaik but not guaranteed usefully editable if gconf is running | 13:57 |
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| gw280 | is there any API documentation anywhere for the EAL stuff? | 15:53 |
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| Nermal | anyone know what toolchain I want to install for scratchbox ? scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-glibc2.3 (as per the wiki) isn't available it seems (no glibc just ulibc) | 16:08 |
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| Nermal | looking at http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/deb/ | 16:09 |
| suihkulokki | Nermal: read the maemo tutorials on maemo.org | 16:09 |
| Nermal | I'm looking :| | 16:11 |
| Nermal | bloody hard to find | 16:11 |
| Nermal | I _hate_ the sodding maemo.org site | 16:11 |
| Nermal | bah - too tired to wrestle with it now | 16:13 |
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| suihkulokki | Nermal: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 16:15 |
| suihkulokki | that was a maemo.org -> tutorials -> maemo tutorial | 16:15 |
| suihkulokki | now I don't know why they have "tutorials" section, when there is only tutorial there | 16:16 |
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| trevarthan | hello. has anyone tried the latest pre-release version of kagu yet? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu | 16:38 |
| trevarthan | we need some people to test it before we put it up on the mirrors. | 16:38 |
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| trevarthan | Brand new theme, M3U support, a Volume Slider (for sparr), and much much more. | 16:39 |
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| cosmo | trevarthan: i'll try | 16:54 |
| trevarthan | yay! | 16:54 |
| trevarthan | BTW, unique311 made a thread on ITT about it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9832 | 16:55 |
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| cosmo | trevarthan: python dependency fails on N800 | 16:58 |
| cosmo | is there a way to install it easily? | 16:59 |
| trevarthan | you need python 1.5, yeah | 16:59 |
| trevarthan | python? | 16:59 |
| _Monkey | somebody said python was at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! | 16:59 |
| trevarthan | there you go. thanks monkey. | 16:59 |
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| trevarthan | sorry, python 2.5, not 1.5. | 16:59 |
| Nermal | pupnik_: hows the wormux port coming on? | 16:59 |
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| cosmo | i think nokia should add python to official repos.. too hard for end user | 17:00 |
| trevarthan | not, hard, just not clear. I agree. | 17:01 |
| cosmo | argh, pyhton's libsdl-ttf dependency fails | 17:01 |
| trevarthan | what? from the pymaemo site's download link? | 17:02 |
| cosmo | ok, i have custom flash image, it might be not real problem | 17:02 |
| trevarthan | oh. you a Nokian? | 17:02 |
| suihkulokki | cosmo: ask the pymaemo people to simplify the installation | 17:03 |
| cosmo | trevarthan: no but contractor | 17:04 |
| trevarthan | I don't think they can. It draws from multiple repos. that's just not allowed. | 17:04 |
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| cosmo | and now i broke garage.maemo.org | 17:06 |
| trevarthan | nice | 17:07 |
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| trevarthan | Hello. Are there any Nokians around? I'd like to know if it's possible to open up Kagu's garage wiki to editing by the general public. | 17:19 |
| disq | say "gstreamer is a piece of crap" and see if they respond | 17:21 |
| jani | wha! GSTREAMER CRAP! Foo on yo mamma! | 17:21 |
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| trevarthan | oh no. why did you mention that disq? I'm trying to let it blow over | 17:23 |
| trevarthan | I want them to like me again. :) | 17:23 |
| disq | why let it blow over. their response sucked | 17:24 |
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| trevarthan | yeah, it did. | 17:24 |
| trevarthan | mine did too though. I refused to file a bug report. that's not very nice. | 17:24 |
| disq | it's not a open source dictatorship. you don't have to file a bug report | 17:25 |
| trevarthan | good point. | 17:26 |
| jani | im kinda on the same side as daniel said (if i remember right) - most people on the maemo dev list just write there as inviduals with no corporate agenda . so their responses can good or bad depending on how early morning it is and phase of the moon =) | 17:28 |
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| trevarthan | jani: so you're saying that you hate me too, eh? That's sad. I'm a nice person. I just like to make smart ass remarks about gstreamer, that's all. | 17:29 |
| jani | nah, i dont hate you =) | 17:29 |
| jani | i like smart asses. | 17:29 |
| jani | or else, i would hate myself. | 17:29 |
| disq | :) | 17:29 |
| erstazi | heh | 17:30 |
| trevarthan | I consider myself pwned by gstreamer. I fought the machine, and the machine won. | 17:30 |
| disq | that's why we i didn't make it a big deal on the list, didn't even respond. they don't have to post messages in maemo-dev and inform us of this and that or help us | 17:30 |
| disq | devs | 17:30 |
| cosmo | trevarthan: sorry, but my office lan seems to suffer some network problems.. can't test kagu :( | 17:31 |
| trevarthan | cosmo: np. you're running a newer firmware anyway. that makes it unreasonably difficult, I'm sure. | 17:31 |
| jani | what i meant really is that, as inviduals people might not be so politically correct all the time and well, ofcourse we should be nice to each other but i guess there's few smartasses on nokia office too =) | 17:32 |
| trevarthan | If anyone *not* running newer firmware would like to test Kagu, please do so. | 17:32 |
| trevarthan | jani: make a smart ass remark (gstreamer == poo), get a smart ass answer. yeah. I did it to myself. | 17:33 |
| jani | ;) | 17:33 |
| trevarthan | that would make a nice message T. "gstreamer == poo" | 17:33 |
| jani | duud! thats karma! =) | 17:33 |
| trevarthan | I should work at ThinkGeek | 17:33 |
| disq | heh | 17:34 |
| disq | love thinkgeek | 17:34 |
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| TPC | anyone familiar with creating maemo mapper repositories? | 17:57 |
| TPC | here is an example URL: http://maps.eniro.com/servlets/TilesDataServlet?id=SE_sv_standard_3_500000.0_58.0_256_128_-14_-7 | 17:57 |
| Nermal | thanks suihkulokki | 17:58 |
| cosmo | trevarthan: i got kagu to work now. seems to work :) | 17:59 |
| trevarthan | oh, good. | 18:01 |
| trevarthan | you like it? | 18:01 |
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| cosmo | yup.. i'll try it with my home 770 later | 18:05 |
| trevarthan | cosmo: It does A2DP too, but you have to install that separately, and A2DP doesn't work well on the 770 due to CPU limitations. | 18:06 |
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| * Nermal pokes pupnik_ | 18:27 | |
| Nermal | hum | 18:32 |
| Nermal | any scratchbox users here - I'm part of the group sbox and doing id <myuser> lists me as being so, but when I run login I get "permission denied" :| | 18:33 |
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| cosmo | Nermal: did you remember to log out and back after adding yourself to group? | 18:36 |
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| Nermal | I started a new gnome-terminal but that doesn't seem to be enough | 18:47 |
| Nermal | it's working in a standard console but bloody bash is beeping a lot :| | 18:47 |
| Nermal | office getting annoyed :| | 18:47 |
| Nermal | sudo -u myuser login worked | 18:48 |
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| pupnik_ | Nermal: i've adjusted menu positions to run in 800x480, but need to find out what is taking up the memory | 18:54 |
| Nermal | ah | 18:54 |
| pupnik_ | just minor sdl tweak 32-16bpp | 18:57 |
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| disq | okay, released kagu 1.0.8 on the repositories also | 19:09 |
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| unique311 | disq: like the new release alot. | 19:10 |
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| disq | thanks we worked on it a lot :) | 19:10 |
| unique311 | you should check this out.. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=76194#post76194 | 19:11 |
| disq | have you discovered/used the combos yet? | 19:11 |
| disq | i keep refreshing that thread | 19:11 |
| unique311 | combos? | 19:12 |
| disq | see the changelog :) | 19:12 |
| disq | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=898 | 19:12 |
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| unique311 | hold thumb at NowPlayingButton and use the dpad for actions | 19:26 |
| unique311 | don't get it? | 19:26 |
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| unique311 | a2dp, cant get my bluetooth headset to work...motorola H500... | 19:30 |
| unique311 | do you guys have a supported headset list? | 19:31 |
| unique311 | or is it suppose to work with all bluetooth headsets | 19:31 |
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| disq | not my area | 19:38 |
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| disq | but if it doesn't work it's a a2dpd/headset problem | 19:42 |
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| unique311 | it connects, just no sound coming out of my headset.. | 19:44 |
| unique311 | i know i have the correct mac addresss | 19:44 |
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| unique311 | quetion | 20:08 |
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| unique311 | How do I get Mplayer instead the media player to open m.youtube.com links? | 20:10 |
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| unique311 | everytime i click on a video link, media player opens up. | 20:10 |
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| pupnik | MMPC is a music player frontend by Holger M. that allows you to control a music player on the PC: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/category/feed:a2806a1032cbf00d9e900c81fa8c42cf/ | 21:45 |
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| DigExorcist | Anyone know how to get the open-ssh server and client into the same install on a 770? I'm having troubles. | 21:51 |
| DigExorcist | Also, I've had some interesting troubles trying to get my i-tech virtual keyboard working reliably too - already killed my 770 once (screen lines) and now I'm trying another round of making the keyboard work... | 21:53 |
| DigExorcist | The bt plugin is a total reboot driver at this point | 21:53 |
| DigExorcist | and doing the connect manually with the hidd --connect command worked once, but, resulted in a mis-mapping | 21:53 |
| DigExorcist | the driver thought the keyboard was a boot device!? | 21:54 |
| pupnik | "One should choose one's bedfellows while it is daylight." -Swedish proverb | 21:55 |
| * DigExorcist thinks pupnik has had one too many frightful mornings after... | 21:56 | |
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| DigExorcist | Just rebooted it again | 22:03 |
| * DigExorcist thinks BT and the 770 just doesn't want to work with bt keyboards... | 22:04 | |
| DigExorcist | Rebooted once more | 22:05 |
| DigExorcist | Does anyone know if the hidd --server is related to the maemo bt plugin? Does the plugin rely upon it? | 22:05 |
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| pupnik | it seems to be all integrated into it2006se | 22:08 |
| pupnik | earlier i had to install a daemon for bt keyboard | 22:08 |
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| DigExorcist | there's no way to connect the keyboard through a gui without the btplugin | 22:08 |
| DigExorcist | I've just rebooted the thing like 15 times, and only 6 of those were intentional | 22:09 |
| pupnik | sounds like something is corrupt/instable - 770 should be very stable with fresh install | 22:12 |
| DigExorcist | When I do the manual connect method without the BTplugin installed, using "hcitool scan" I find the mac address of the bt keyboard | 22:14 |
| DigExorcist | then I do an "hidd --connect address" | 22:14 |
| DigExorcist | it seems to paid okay, but then that's where it ends | 22:15 |
| DigExorcist | when I do an "hidd --show" I tells me "Bluetooth HID Boot Protocol Device" connected [boot-protocol] | 22:15 |
| DigExorcist | really weird | 22:15 |
| DigExorcist | This happens on two different fresh-built 770's | 22:16 |
| DigExorcist | It's not a corruption thing at all | 22:16 |
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| DigExorcist | It happened before I sent mine in for service | 22:16 |
| DigExorcist | Although, then, it actually worked for a little while, before dying. | 22:16 |
| pupnik | ok | 22:16 |
| DigExorcist | I actually once had the keyboard pairing on demand over 5 times | 22:17 |
| DigExorcist | but now, I'm lucky if it works at all | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | thinkoutside stowaway? | 22:17 |
| DigExorcist | huh? that a different kind of keyboard? | 22:18 |
| pupnik | that's my kbd | 22:18 |
| pupnik | i have a fresh install without bt configured | 22:19 |
| DigExorcist | but that keyboard lacks to ultimate cool factor that the i-tech has | 22:20 |
| DigExorcist | at least now I'm getting accurate handling of the keyboard right now, but the return key doesn't work - kind tough on shell sessions | 22:20 |
| pupnik | hcitool scan | 22:21 |
| DigExorcist | ctrl-m works though | 22:21 |
| pupnik | 00:19:15:0A:21:55 Think Outside Keyboard | 22:21 |
| DigExorcist | hidd --list | 22:22 |
| pupnik | for return key you might have to do maemo-gtk-im-switch xim then restart xterm? not sure | 22:22 |
| pupnik | ok that shows nothing - no hid kbd defined | 22:22 |
| DigExorcist | 00:0D:3C:40:86:E9 Bluetooth HID Boot Protocol Device [00:00:0000] connected [boot-protocol] | 22:23 |
| pupnik | ah good 4 you | 22:23 |
| DigExorcist | why is a keyboard showing as boot device? | 22:23 |
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| Tu13es_ | anyone here using OpenVPN who might be able to help me? | 22:25 |
| DigExorcist | need my keyboard before I go there, and then it'll be pptp for me | 22:26 |
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| saaib | DigExorcist, when your 770 got screwed (screen lines) you send it back for replacement? | 22:28 |
| DigExorcist | yep - had coverage from Nokia since it was a new purcahse about a month ago via a vendor or ebay | 22:29 |
| DigExorcist | that is, a vendor on ebay | 22:29 |
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| DigExorcist | I also subsequently purchase a 3-year SquareTrade warranty since this thing is too cool to have die for crappy reasons. | 22:29 |
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| DigExorcist | Nokia took 10 business days to repair it once it was reported as arrived in their tracking portal | 22:30 |
| DigExorcist | I got it back 2 days after that. | 22:30 |
| Tu13es_ | yuck | 22:30 |
| DigExorcist | Same unit too - that or they re-printed the MAC address sticker on the back | 22:30 |
| Tu13es_ | the two times I've had to have my laptop repaired it was sent out, repaired, and returned to me within 3 days of calling to get it fixed | 22:31 |
| gla55_ | lucky you | 22:32 |
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| gla55_ | or were you on some non-normal-consumer onsite support? | 22:32 |
| Tu13es_ | nope | 22:32 |
| Tu13es_ | just plain ol AppleCare | 22:32 |
| gla55_ | what brand? | 22:32 |
| gla55_ | ah | 22:33 |
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| pupnik | *** Your STL library does not define method container::at() grr | 22:35 |
| pupnik | does someone here know how i can bypass that configure error? | 22:35 |
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| pupnik | *** Please upgrade your standard C++ library to version 3.x | 22:39 |
| pupnik | Description: The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 | 22:40 |
| pupnik | already have it :( | 22:40 |
| suihkulokki | pupnik: search config.log for the failing testcase | 22:41 |
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| pupnik | grep failed config.log |wc -l | 22:43 |
| pupnik | 19 | 22:43 |
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| pupnik | ah config.log is kind of helpful - ty | 22:43 |
| pupnik | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -ldld | 22:44 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search dld | 22:46 |
| pupnik | libltdl3 - A system independent dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool | 22:46 |
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| DigExorcist | Any of you have experience with the maemo-bt-plugin and the i-tech virtual laser keyboard? | 22:50 |
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| pupnik | what's it like typing on that? | 22:51 |
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| DigExorcist | It's cool when it works | 22:54 |
| DigExorcist | for me, I'm a 100wpm typist (computers for 35+ years now) and it forces some good habits, and frankly, it's way cool | 22:55 |
| DigExorcist | it does work, but you need to adjust it - out of the box it's a little too sensitive for my large fingers | 22:55 |
| DigExorcist | so I have to de-sensitize it, then things are okay | 22:55 |
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| pupnik | i want one too. then i'd be a bar+wlan lizard with that | 22:56 |
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| DigExorcist | I just want it to work, with the wireless on at the same time, without crashing the 770 | 22:57 |
| DigExorcist | the bt plugin sucks | 22:57 |
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| DigExorcist | doing it from the command line also sucks | 22:57 |
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| DigExorcist | What apt-get sources to you folks use? | 22:59 |
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| DigExorcist | I have only 3 lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list file | 23:00 |
| DigExorcist | repository.maemo.org, maemo-hackers.org and www.cobb.uk.net | 23:00 |
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| DigExorcist | And the normal tableteer nokia ones | 23:02 |
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| pupnik | repositories? | 23:02 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 23:02 |
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| [31d1] | ooooh - dbus-scripts | 23:08 |
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| Deformati | Ugh. | 23:20 |
| Deformati | Fucking damnit. | 23:20 |
| Deformati | I purchased a hub | 23:20 |
| Deformati | But it doesn't come witht he 5v power supply | 23:20 |
| pupnik | hah | 23:21 |
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| DigExorcist | need power supply - check this - I've been considering getting one... | 23:24 |
| DigExorcist | http://cgi.ebay.com/5V-7805-Power-supply-regulator-gd4-Digital-Panel-Meter_W0QQitemZ150161739655QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50588QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 23:24 |
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| ||cw | Deformati: did it come with a weird dual-plugged usb cable? | 23:25 |
| DigExorcist | That'd be used in my USB 16gb card reader / music server project with wireless apache/php management setup | 23:25 |
| Deformati | ||cw: no | 23:26 |
| DigExorcist | All I need now is a combo CF card reader with USB hub | 23:26 |
| ||cw | odd | 23:26 |
| Deformati | Actually. | 23:26 |
| Deformati | it might have | 23:26 |
| gla55_ | lot's of 5v pushing things out there | 23:26 |
| Deformati | I haven't opened it | 23:26 |
| gla55_ | your pc for one, a lot of cellphone chargers second.. | 23:27 |
| Deformati | Well. | 23:27 |
| Deformati | I am considering returning it. | 23:27 |
| Deformati | That is why I did not open it. | 23:28 |
| DigExorcist | the weird dual connector ones are the worst, IME | 23:28 |
| gla55_ | they're very hacktastic | 23:28 |
| ||cw | yeah, a lot of mainboards don't supply enough mA | 23:29 |
| DigExorcist | I'd rather try to find one that has a built-in regulator, then wire a 6v AA supply to iy | 23:29 |
| ||cw | and to take 2 ports of the mainboard kind of defeats the purpose | 23:29 |
| ||cw | good luck with that | 23:29 |
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| DigExorcist | With the regulator, it'll work - just won't get more than 650ma off AA alkalines | 23:30 |
| DigExorcist | at least, not for long | 23:30 |
| Deformati | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=386044&cm_ven=RKG&cm_cat=adwords&cm_pla=Cables&cm_ite=targus_4_port_hub | 23:31 |
| DigExorcist | anyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common? | 23:31 |
| Deformati | It is like that. | 23:31 |
| Deformati | Didn't come with a power cord as far as I can tell. | 23:31 |
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| DigExorcist | self-powered is the key word here - I have one of them for my laptop - works great for low power stuff like mice, BT adapters, and such | 23:32 |
| ||cw | what are you going to power with it, besides the hub? | 23:32 |
| Deformati | I want to do the usb hub hack. | 23:33 |
| Deformati | But I need a powered hub. | 23:33 |
| DigExorcist | then wire a keyboard in? | 23:33 |
| Deformati | Yeah | 23:33 |
| Deformati | Needs power though. | 23:33 |
| ||cw | just an example, but the reciever for my cordless mouse only takes 50mA | 23:33 |
| DigExorcist | I've seen some projects that do this - the regulator is the best power source for that - if you don't wanna build it. | 23:34 |
| ||cw | usb flash take 500 though | 23:34 |
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| DigExorcist | The tough and crappy part is teh cables don't exist - unless you create them | 23:34 |
| ||cw | grab a project box, a dremel, and a trusty soldering iron | 23:35 |
| ||cw | wasn't someone selling a kit? | 23:35 |
| DigExorcist | Then you need to make a USB B socket that wires into an existing hub's USB A socket, wire in power, and use a standard USB mini to USB B cable | 23:35 |
| Deformati | Oh | 23:36 |
| Deformati | Holly crap. | 23:36 |
| Deformati | I just realized,. | 23:36 |
| DigExorcist | I fear the project box is a requirement for this | 23:36 |
| Deformati | The nokia itself has a 5v power cord. | 23:36 |
| DigExorcist | at least, I've not found an easy way around this | 23:36 |
| Deformati | Doesn't look like it will fit though | 23:36 |
| DigExorcist | but those wires are too frail to carry the 500ma needed to properly power the line | 23:36 |
| ||cw | Deformati: yeah, nokia's little special plug | 23:37 |
| DigExorcist | Also, remember, that the USB power, while providing host mode, will still not power the device | 23:37 |
| Deformati | Well, I need a 5v 2.6A power cord | 23:37 |
| ||cw | what wires are too frail? | 23:37 |
| Deformati | Or a different hub. | 23:37 |
| DigExorcist | an optimal externally powered hub solution should provide both power for the USB and the device - two connectors, annoyance, etc. | 23:37 |
| DigExorcist | The nokia power cord wires aren't that big - they're probably hair-thin inside that insulation | 23:38 |
| ||cw | the 770's charger is rated for 850mA output | 23:38 |
| DigExorcist | shit | 23:38 |
| DigExorcist | I'd still not fuck with that cord though | 23:38 |
| DigExorcist | perhaps getting a connector that's compatible from digi-key... | 23:38 |
| ||cw | yeah, would be a bitch to deal with | 23:38 |
| gla55_ | you don't have a dozen other chargers lying around? | 23:38 |
| DigExorcist | we all do, I'm sure | 23:39 |
| DigExorcist | If you're building for wired specifically, then get a powered hub to start with | 23:39 |
| DigExorcist | it'll be easier. | 23:39 |
| ||cw | I got a car/usb/retractable power cord that has a swapable plug for both nokia charger types, it uses a 1/8" headphone jack with a screw-on lock, that would be hackable easily | 23:39 |
| DigExorcist | Just make darn sure the hub has a regulator on-board since you don't want a single glitch hitting the Nokia - or else you'll let the smoke out | 23:39 |
| DigExorcist | cool | 23:40 |
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| DigExorcist | anyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common? | 23:40 |
| ||cw | wonder if i can find it again, was a pretty good deal | 23:40 |
| DigExorcist | anyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common? they're showing as "2 not upgraded" no matter what I do | 23:40 |
| DigExorcist | never mind - I think I got it | 23:41 |
| DigExorcist | the new apt sources may just fix it | 23:41 |
| DigExorcist | ahh -- ssh support at last! | 23:42 |
| DigExorcist | now if I can just get pptp to work... | 23:42 |
| ||cw | you'll need a new kernel for that, i think | 23:43 |
| DigExorcist | how does one replace the kernel anyway? Is that a dual boot setup? | 23:44 |
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| * ||cw shrugs | 23:45 | |
| ||cw | I'm sure there's docs on the wiki | 23:45 |
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| DigExorcist | not really - I've looked | 23:45 |
| DigExorcist | people talk about it, but there's no real "how to" out there | 23:45 |
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| DigExorcist | this sucks | 23:46 |
| DigExorcist | I've got some stuckage in apt-get update now - and I have no clue how to get out | 23:47 |
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| ||cw | I've found that apt generally breaks maemo, I don't the repo's are very "clean" like debian's | 23:47 |
| ||cw | this is kind of like the charger I got http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-Charger-Kit-for-Nokia-N95-N93-6300-N73-N70-N90-E61_W0QQitemZ200152938616QQcmdZViewItem | 23:49 |
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| ||cw | i can't the exact one I got, the store I got it from doesn't list it on their website | 23:51 |
| ||cw | they probably don't carry it anymore anyway | 23:51 |
| * ||cw curses compusa | 23:51 | |
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| ||cw | only think close to a real computer store in all of St. Louis, and they just had to go and close all of them | 23:52 |
| * DigExorcist knows that CompUSA sucks too | 23:52 | |
| Paavo | Does the N800 support 4 GB microSD cards? A friend of mine is considering getting an N800 and a 4 GB card... | 23:52 |
| DigExorcist | What about MicroCenter? | 23:52 |
| DigExorcist | There's one here in Denver, and it rocks | 23:52 |
| Paavo | By googling I find both "yes" and "no" answers... | 23:52 |
| ||cw | Paavo: latest firmware supports 8GB cards, but I hear it's picky about them | 23:53 |
| ||cw | the original firware didn't support 4GB cards | 23:53 |
| Paavo | latest firmware, as in the latest official firmware? | 23:53 |
| ||cw | that's probably the no's you find | 23:53 |
| DigExorcist | ||cw - look for Microcenter - they're much better than CompUSA, and there might be one nearby | 23:53 |
| ||cw | yes | 23:53 |
| Paavo | IT 2007 OS, the edition with Skype? | 23:54 |
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| ||cw | DigExorcist: closest is 4 hours away | 23:54 |
| DigExorcist | they're worth the drive, if you're desperate | 23:54 |
| Paavo | ||cw: So the latest FW is picky just about 8 GB cards - 4 GB ones should work fine? | 23:54 |
| ||cw | DigExorcist: if I'm desperate, I'll order for overnight shipping, it would cost mean at least $50 ro drive to chi and back | 23:55 |
| ||cw | Paavo: that's what i hear, I don't have an 800 though | 23:55 |
| DigExorcist | Drop Microcenter a line and beg them to open a store where you are - tell them that CompUSA closed up shop... | 23:55 |
| ||cw | Paavo: so take it as 4th hand info | 23:55 |
| DigExorcist | Personally, I wish there was a Fry's Electronics out here... | 23:56 |
| ||cw | DigExorcist: compusa had 4 stores in stl, you'd think could have left one open. bastards. | 23:56 |
| ||cw | yeah, me too | 23:56 |
| DigExorcist | They're total tards | 23:56 |
| DigExorcist | OfficeDespot is starting to carry parts a little bit - they actually had CPU fans when I visited one a couple weeks ago! | 23:57 |
| ||cw | there's a coupkd small shops that I get by on, but either their prices are a bit high or they have a crap selection... "we can order it for you", yeah, i can order it too, fools | 23:57 |
| DigExorcist | Sounds like it's time to open your own store | 23:58 |
| DigExorcist | What are all the osso-whatever programs - are they the entire Nokia interface?? | 23:59 |
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