IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2011-09-23

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siavoshkchas anyone tried nokia n9?00:31
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SpeedEvilsiavoshkc: I tried one several hundred miles away from me.00:34
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SpeedEvilSomeone had managed to bork it though.00:34
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siavoshkchow was it00:35
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mingwandroidI'm working on getting meego running on advent vega. Got a problem..00:35
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mingwandroidmic isn't downloading all the packages for me. Anyone seen this?00:36
mingwandroidpossibly related: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2274400:36
_MeeGoBot_Bug 22744 nor, Undecided, ---, jian-feng.ding, NEW, [IVI] MIC2 does not install all packages from a group defined in the IVI kickstart file00:36
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vgrademingwandroid, that looks like the one00:44
mingwandroidI tried a few different snapshots but no go.00:45
vgradeso it looks OS dependant00:45
vgradeubuntu vs fc00:45
mingwandroidMight try to set it up on my other linux box. Ive made several good images though,00:45
vgradecaching working now00:46
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mingwandroidjust started happening last night. also the caching seems weird (working again now), when I changed to a different snapshot it used the old cache data.00:46
vgradethat may be because the packages had not changed00:47
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vgrademingwandroid, its picking up meego-ux-compositor which is the right package on my build01:03
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vgradecan you try removing the --ignorepackages flag01:04
vgradebut add the following01:04
mingwandroidok (I had been switching to a netbook build)01:04
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vgradesec while my buld finished so I can get to the ks01:05
vgradeyour lack of packages might also explain why some other things did not just work (tm)01:06
vgradelike connman01:06
mingwandroidI thought full, normal setup for that would require touchpad to enter SSID and psasword01:07
vgraderemember we tried connect_service earlier01:07
vgradebut we have kb/moue now with usb hist01:07
vgradehost01:08
mingwandroidyeah. I got a usb hub too.01:08
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vgradesoon your desk will look like mine01:08
mingwandroiddns problem it was with connect-service01:08
mingwandroidnaah, no ts or pi on mine01:08
vgradeno it was a dbus error I think01:09
mingwandroidah yeah, I think it was01:09
vgradehttp://twitpic.com/6od8mp/full01:09
mingwandroidnot pretty01:10
vgradeyou shoud see the other side01:10
vgradeneed to have a tidy when I get back01:10
vgradeclean roon envirnment01:11
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mingwandroidcan meego be packaged up with its own package/KS selecting installer? So you boot it and it asks you if you want phone or netbook or tablet modes?01:11
vgrade-pulseaudio-modules-tablet-common01:12
vgrade-pulseaudio-modules-tablet-mainvolume01:12
vgradeand remove the --ignore flag, see how many packages you get01:12
mingwandroidwill that solve my 541 vs you 630 odd packages thing? Is that not just removing some packages?01:12
mingwandroidit's just finalising a netbook build01:13
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vgradewell if you have the ignore flag it will just buld the files you tell it too in the package groups01:13
vgradeso the buld goes ok but there mey be dependencies01:14
vgradeif you run without the flag the dependencies are checked and mic will resolve them01:14
vgradethe pulse audio files don't exist so we just - them allowing mic to pull in all that is required01:15
vgradewell thats the theroty anyway01:15
vgradelet me know01:15
vgradestill waiting for may latest Pi image to burn to sdcard01:15
vgradenetbook on arm01:16
vgradenot seen that before01:16
mingwandroiddont see any reason not to try it ;-)01:16
mingwandroidts would be better as a netbook no?01:17
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mingwandroidqtcreator... hmm.01:19
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mingwandroidvgrade: one more thing. where's the earliest place I can enable host usb?01:26
* CosmoHill lols when he sees someone's tried the domain name as the ftp user01:27
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mingwandroidvgrade: no meego-ux-compositor installed again :-(01:41
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vgrademingwandroid, must be a ubuntu vc fedora thing, add that info to the bug01:48
vgrade\o, my Pi image is ready01:49
vgradeos version, git version, ks file, commandline01:49
mingwandroidvgrade: switching back to 1.2.0 instead. it seems to be working01:49
vgradeoh ok,01:50
mingwandroidwhere do I get a fedora vm that's ready for meego?01:52
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vgradei use a fc13 image for virtualbox02:03
vgradesec for link02:03
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vgradeI think i use these http://virtualboxes.org/images/fedora/02:08
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CosmoHillmy new game launched 15 minutes ago but it will take me 1:30 to download it and by then I won't want to play it03:15
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CosmoHillmy ipod has the same processor speed as the Cray 103:26
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berndhsand just compare the scientific achievements made by the ipod, compared to the piddling efforts with the Cray03:34
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iekkumorning06:26
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jozefkcan meego be installed on desktop PC?06:31
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jozefkwith intel PIV processor06:31
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araujojozefk, technically possible, but meego is not a desktop oriented system06:44
jozefkI see06:47
jozefkthank you for answer anyway06:47
jozefkmaybe I should put it on my Xperia Arc then :)06:47
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OwariDais there any way to put the wl1271 in the n950 in monitor mode?07:19
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OwariDalooking at the wl1271 vs wl1251 src in the wl12xx driver it seems like i could just "port" the old wl1251 driver patch to enable monitor mode on the n900. unless there's something at the firmware / chipset level on the wl1271 that stops me from doing it.07:27
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Termanamorning11:30
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mingwandroidI've got no mouse pointer on my vega, anyone got any ideas how to force it to be displayed?11:32
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lxsameerhey guys i want to get rid a crappy android and use meego instead, does any one installed meego on htc desire ?11:45
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lbtvgrade: nvidia... interesting...11:57
Stskeepsnvidia?11:57
lbthttp://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nvidia-meego-battle-ground/11:57
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Stskeepsold, but good11:58
Stskeepsi'm still shocked that nvidia would be the first to provide hardfp drivers11:58
Stskeeps:P11:58
lbtoh yes, it got highlighted yesterday so first sight for me11:58
Stskeepssaw the raspberry pi video?11:59
lbtno - didn't click :)11:59
Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fouPJRLygNQ&feature=player_embedded11:59
lxsameerwhat phone do you suggest for meego ?12:00
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dm8tbrlxsameer: what do you want to do with meego on a phone?12:01
lbtStskeeps: :)12:01
lxsameerdm8tbr: ? i did not like android, so i decide to use meego instead12:01
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dm8tbrlxsameer: the nokia N9 is _branded_ meego. and if you don't look too closely the upper layers are meego-ish12:02
dm8tbrand there will be real meego by the community12:02
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lxsameerdm8tbr: aha athanks12:03
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lxsameeris there any offline installer for meego SDK ?12:27
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alteregolxsameer: you could mirror the sdk repo for your distro :P12:39
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lxsameeralterego: excuse me? i did not understand13:10
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* CosmoHill maybe a teaching assistant on monday :)13:24
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iekkuStskeeps, is that number what i expect?13:33
* iekku only knows for sure number 4213:33
CosmoHill"42" is the admin password hint13:34
iekku:D13:34
Stskeepsiekku: w00t's window in my irssi13:34
Stskeeps:P13:34
iekku:D13:34
w00tlol13:34
CosmoHillout of how many tabs?13:37
Stskeeps5513:37
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w00tlightweight13:40
* w00t has 66 on this client, 56 on his work one13:40
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slainew00t: is lipstick online anywhere ?13:44
* CosmoHill has 513:44
w00tslaine: https://github.com/rburchell/lipstick-home13:45
slainecheers13:45
w00tnot much activity atm - waiting on alterego to do his QML stuff before I proceed with breaking it too much further13:45
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slainew00t: what's alterego going to be doing ?13:51
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w00tslaine: making it not look like a tech demo ;)13:52
slaine:)13:52
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lxsameeri'm looking for the SDK tarball , not online installer, is there any14:33
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nialahello the room14:52
Venemohi14:52
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mingwandroidhey meego peeps.15:00
mingwandroidI've been trying to get my mouse cursor to show on a MeeGo build for tegra2 tablets...15:01
mcfriskhello, linked OBS question: a project in client OBS builds against a repository which is linked from master OBS. Is the clien OBS project rebuilt if linked master OBS project changes?15:03
Venemomingwandroid, I think vgrade has been experimenting on Tegra15:03
mingwandroidVenemo: Yeah, he's been my mentor in this endeavour.15:03
Venemomingwandroid :)15:03
mingwandroidbut I was hoping to ask you guys.15:03
Stskeepsmcfrisk: yes, AFAIK when the repo publshes15:04
mingwandroidLooking at: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=332415:05
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mingwandroidthey changed session=/usr/bin/mcompositor15:05
mingwandroidto:15:05
mcfriskStskeeps, so the client OBS is somehow checking the project in master OBS even if packages are not changing?15:05
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mingwandroidsession=/usr/bin/duihome -software -show-cursor -fullscreen -verbose15:05
mingwandroidbut I've not got any duihome, just mcompositor.15:06
Stskeepsmcfrisk: so, there's a lastevents method, so it gets notifications15:06
Stskeepsmcfrisk: client OBS will poll for new updates15:06
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mcfriskStskeeps, thanks again!15:06
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cxl000  mingwandroid: A number of the gui componets take -show-cursor15:15
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mingwandroidcxl000: aah, you're next on my hit list ;-)15:16
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mingwandroidcxl000: you do the ks for the trimslice?15:17
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mingwandroidcxl000: I added -show-cursor to every .desktop file, and also as a paremeter to mcompositor, but no joy15:17
cxl000I had some success but I brought the components up manually.15:20
cxl000I found that the cursor would sometimes disappear15:21
cxl000particularly when going into settings15:22
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veskuhls15:25
CosmoHill. ..15:25
CosmoHillwait, that's ls -a15:25
veskuh:)15:26
* CosmoHill will answer simple linux questions :)15:26
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cxl000mingwandroid: I've also seen reports on env setting M_USE_SHOW_CURSOR=115:33
mingwandroidcxl000: yeah, I've got that, seems like it's working ok now.15:33
ali1234Stskeeps: i486 built everything except qt. i did the submitreq dance with gcc and now it is starting over from scratch...15:38
Stskeepsali1234: excellent15:39
ali1234qt died with a weird error about static void * or something15:40
Stskeepsyes, that one wondered me too15:40
Stskeepso15:40
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Stskeepsali1234: http://localhost:2080/package/view_file?file=glibc.spec&package=glibc&project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase%3Ai486&srcmd5=f2cab60c97839cdb19116b408f0f9415 lines 60, 208 are probably interesting too15:45
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cxl000Is there a uboot img that will allow dual boot a n810?15:50
ali1234Stskeeps: hmm what's ix86 mean?15:50
VenemoStskeeps, you give a url to your localhost? lol.15:50
ali1234cxl000: sort of. i ported the same n900 stuff to n8x015:51
Stskeepsali1234: i386, i486, i586, i68615:51
ali1234cxl000: but i don't think the mmc worked15:51
StskeepsVenemo: he knows what i mean :P15:51
ali1234Stskeeps: but where does it come from?15:51
Stskeepsali1234: rpm macros15:51
ali1234as in like rpm-moblin etc?15:51
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Stskeepsyes15:52
Stskeepsmeego-rpm-config15:52
ali1234does it really do anything?15:52
Stskeeps%ix86 just means "on all intel architectures"15:52
ali1234i mean if its good for i38615:52
Venemo:P15:52
ali1234i noticed some packages have x86_64 stuff too15:54
Stskeepsyeah, from fedora15:54
ali1234i guess that's nothing to do with meego though15:54
Venemohas anyone from MeeGo asked the RPM Fusion guys to make a repo for MeeGo yet?15:54
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slaineVenemo: I asked a few times for Moblin and then MeeGo16:04
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cxl000ali1234: so may not be able to read the SD. Could it read  from internal flash?16:04
Venemoslaine, did you get any response?16:04
slaineThe idea wasn't shot down but they didn't want to do the work themselves16:05
ali1234cxl000: no16:05
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Stskeepsali1234: yeah, that definately fixed something, ncurses assembly changed: http://monster.tspre.org:2080/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=ncurses&project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase%3Ai486&repository=standard16:07
ali1234what is that?16:07
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ali1234is that the obs comparing the output to see what changed and what needs to be rebuild?16:08
Stskeepsbuild log from ncurses after your gcc compiled and was put into use16:08
Stskeepsyes16:08
ali1234that's nifty16:08
Stskeepsobs compares the output of old package and new package. if package differs, everything depending on the package, rebuilds16:08
Stskeepsit's a energy saving measure16:08
ali1234it used to rebuild unconditionally right?16:08
Stskeepsncurses doesn't trigger new rebuilds, usually it results in the same code always, based on same code16:09
Stskeepsso that it changes assembly means the i486 fix works16:09
ali1234so in theory there should be some atom only instructions in that disassembly snippet?16:10
Stskeepsor optimizations16:10
Stskeepsremember, not tuning for core216:10
ali1234ah16:10
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ali1234yeah ok16:10
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cxl000ali1234: can it interact with the screen and keyboard enough to allow testing/debugging16:15
ali1234screen yes keyboard no16:15
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ali1234cxl000: start with u-boot bd2313078114c4b44c4a5ce149af43bcb7fc885416:17
ali1234apply n900 patches http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/old/16:18
ali1234then apply rx34 patches http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/rx34/16:18
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cxl000is there a specific toolchain I should use to compile it?16:25
ali1234yes16:25
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CosmoHillhey slaine16:33
slaineHey16:33
slainepower strip reshuffle16:33
slaineall the better for gadget testing16:33
CosmoHillhehe16:33
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CosmoHillI'm pleased with the power wiring my cluster has16:33
CosmoHillbasically 8 IEC connectors which you plug into 4 two way kettle leads that connect to one power strip :)16:34
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CosmoHillyou can disconnect the 9 IEC connectors (9th is the router) and move the trolly16:34
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MSvBHeads up, a presentation on MeeGo is starting in one hour at the Cafe Netzwerk (http://www.cafe-netzwerk.d+e/). It's titled 'An introduction to MeeGo' and is the first installment on a series of MeeGo presentations.18:07
CosmoHillthere is an off URL18:08
CosmoHill*od18:08
MSvBThe presentation is for a group which organizes meetings called 'Opensource Treff.'18:08
CosmoHill*odd18:08
MSvBOkay, let me try the uRL again.18:08
MSvBwww.cafe-netzwerk.de/18:08
CosmoHillwhat language is it in?18:08
MSvB...and also www.opensourcetreffen.de.18:08
MSvBEverybody come by for a MeeGo treat and a beer.18:08
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MSvBThe language is german, and sorry but I can't webcast it or something like that.18:14
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MSvBOkay, gotto go prepare the presentation.18:15
MSvBSo long and have a nice Friday evening everybody.18:15
MSvBMaybe I'll give a ping from the presentation to show the audience that IM and chat works.18:15
* CosmoHill wonders what the rudest word in German is18:16
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lbtwelcome hardaker :)20:09
hardaker:-)20:09
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Stskeepsali1234: build looks surprisingly good so far20:17
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luisthey guys... does meego support anything like this to handle media files that doesnt have the right plugin?: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-libs/html/gst-plugins-base-libs-gstpbutilsinstallplugins.html20:22
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luisthey my qt function to opel url in default browser stoped working.. any idea on how i can fix that?20:34
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luisthey guys... does meego support anything like this to handle media files that doesnt have the right plugin?: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-libs/html/gst-plugins-base-libs-gstpbutilsinstallplugins.html20:48
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lxsameerwhere can i find the complete sdk of Meego for download ?21:03
CosmoHilllxsameer: I'll take a look21:04
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CosmoHilllxsameer: do you mean MeeGo 1.2 SDK, it's on the front page on the right21:05
lxsameerCosmoHill: i don't want an online installer, my connection  is slow, and i want to download files in multi-connection mode21:05
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CosmoHillwindows or linux, 32 or 64bit?21:06
lxsameerCosmoHill: linux 6421:06
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CosmoHilldistro?21:07
lxsameerCosmoHill: debian sid21:07
CosmoHill5?21:08
lxsameerCosmoHill: no debian unstable21:08
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CosmoHillhey DawnFoster, do you know if the 1.2 SDK has an offline installer?\21:14
CosmoHilllxsameer: I can't seem to find one21:15
DawnFosterCosmoHill: hmmm, not sure. But I think you can install by hand (without the magic installer)21:15
lxsameerCosmoHill: :(21:15
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Stskeepsali1234: found cause for qt error21:44
ali1234oh?21:44
ali1234where are you seeing it? the build restarted, now i can't even find the error log21:44
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Stskeepsali1234: %ifarch i586 on defining arch_arg21:44
Stskeepshttp://localhost:2080/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=qt&project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase%3Ai486&repository=standard21:44
Stskeeps.. monster.tspre.org, sorry, i use this through a ssh tunnel :P21:45
Stskeepsi'll fix it21:45
ali1234why is it arch=i586?21:45
Stskeepsbrainfart when we made it, it can probably be %ifarch %{ix86}21:46
ali1234i mean the url21:46
StskeepsOBS scheduler name21:46
ali1234that's not confusing21:46
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ali1234does the scheduler actually mean anything outside of obs?21:47
Stskeepsnot really21:47
Stskeepsand i agree21:48
ali1234so where is this %ifarch?21:48
CosmoHill.spec file21:48
ali1234well yeah. it's in qt?21:49
Stskeepsyes, qt.spec21:49
ali1234and it's looking for i586, but the patch is needed on i486 too21:49
ali1234so we use the generic one that matches all21:49
Stskeepsright21:49
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ali1234ok21:50
ali1234so if everything compiles now, then what?21:50
ali1234do we just call it done?21:50
Stskeepswell, glibc still builds for atom right?21:50
ali1234i don't know... how do we tell, other than trust what the spec file says?21:51
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ali1234i still have those scripts that decompile all packages btw21:51
Stskeepsit's quite clear, the buildflags get set to mtune=core2 so :P21:51
Stskeepsso that one needs to be adjusted a bit21:51
luisthey my qt function to opel url in default browser stoped working.. any idea on how i can fix that?21:51
ali1234ok i will take a look at that21:52
Stskeepsk21:52
Stskeepsqt's fixed now21:52
Stskeepsali1234: on arm i would be able to readelf -A and see what it's optimized for/highest denominator but i guess x86 doesn't have it21:54
ali1234not that i know of21:54
ali1234could we patch something into OBS?21:55
ali1234if it can already decompile21:55
ali1234it should be easy to grep the decompilation for the ssse3 instructions and throw an error21:56
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Stskeepsprobably just easier to have the rpm's extracted and checked21:58
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ali1234it takes a lot of power to do it that way22:01
Stskeepshm, qt's ssse3 uses cpuid/info to not activate it on non-ssse3 right22:06
ali1234thiago said it's all protected or however you call it yes22:06
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Stskeepsok22:07
Stskeepsi couldn't find any other ssse3, at least in build logs22:07
Stskeepsof course it might just be hidden behind fancy build messages :P22:07
RST38hchechk media stuff22:08
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ali1234can i nest multiple %ifarch?22:08
Stskeepsyeah22:09
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ali1234think i should set some BuildFlags specific for i486 or just leave it blank?22:13
Stskeepsi guess it wouldn't be bad to just baseline on i48622:14
thiagoQt's build enables some SSSE3 instructions on its own, but that's checked against the running system's CPUID22:15
thiagoif you enable it (as opposed to Qt itself), then the compiler may generate instructions elsewhere and that's not protected22:15
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Stskeepsok22:16
Stskeepsthen it should be safe22:16
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thiagosame for Neon on ARM22:16
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ali1234ok glibc is rebuilding22:17
Stskeepsk22:17
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ali1234well, scheduled22:17
Stskeepsit will finish qt first, probably good22:17
ali1234http://pastebin.com/TqtFDcCT is what i did22:17
Stskeepsack22:17
Stskeepsok, i mean22:17
Stskeeps:P22:17
thiagoanyway, building Qt with the GCC that comes with the 1.2 SDK on ARM causes a build error22:19
thiagolooks like it's a compiler bug22:19
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RST38hwhat is the message?22:20
thiagoassembler error22:20
thiagovmovl dreg, sreg22:20
thiagoit should be vmovl dreg, qreg22:21
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RST38hah, maybe setting proer architecture will do the trick?22:21
thiagono22:21
thiagothe register is wrong, it will never compile22:21
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* thiago is rebuilding to reproduce the problem22:22
thiago{standard input}:71421: Error: VFP/Neon double precision register expected -- `vmovl.u8 q5,s20'22:22
thiagomove-large (enlarge) requires moving from single to double or double to quad22:23
thiagoyou can't move from single to quad22:23
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thiagothere's no inline assembly in this file or anything included by it22:24
thiagothere are intrinsics22:24
Stskeepsthiago: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=45805 maybe, if quad to single is bad too?22:25
thiagoit does look like it's the same bug22:27
Stskeepsprobably fixed with 4.6.1 as is in trunk then22:27
thiago        vdup.8  d10, sl22:27
thiago        vmovl.u8 q5, s2022:27
thiagoq5, d10 and s20 are the same register22:28
thiagoif it had written vmovl.u8 q5, d10, it would've worked22:28
thiagogood22:28
thiagois there any SDK package built?22:29
Stskeepsi've lost track of the sdk stuff, after feb11 everything went a little hazy.. :P22:30
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Stskeepsso i don't think there's one22:30
thiagois there any package with the cross-compiler?22:30
* thiago doesn't want to run the compiler inside qemu22:31
Stskeepsi think cross-armv7l-gcc should be it, but not sure how it works22:32
Stskeepserr, cross-armv7hl-gcc22:32
thiagowhere is it?22:33
Stskeepsin trunk22:33
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thiagoProblem: nothing provides glibc-devel needed by cross-armv7hl-gcc-4.6.1-1.14.i58622:40
lxsameeri'm looking for a arm toolchain in linux22:41
CosmoHillthiago: arm should be using eglibc-devel22:41
thiagolxsameer: the one in the SDK for 1.2 works, aside of the compiler bug I'm experiencing22:41
StskeepsCosmoHill: no22:42
CosmoHillthis is why I'm not a meego developer22:42
lxsameerthiago: :( i can't install sdk because of my slow connection22:42
Stskeepsbbl sleep22:42
CosmoHilllxsameer: how slow?22:42
thiagoFatal error: Invalid -march= option: `armv7-a'22:43
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lxsameerCosmoHill: 128K , normally i download a file in multi-connection mode with 20k and the sdk installer download files in single connection mode with 2k22:43
CosmoHillouch22:44
Venemohttp://www.ezepic.hu/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/7.jpg http://www.ezepic.hu/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/8.jpg22:44
thiagohmm... it's running the wrong assembler22:44
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ali1234glibc built ok, got some readelf errors though23:14
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ali1234i think its just rpmlint23:16
ali1234gonna push this23:16
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lxsameerwhere can i find a list of SDK package for manual installation23:40
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