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| CosmoHill | I got an email today from a job site I'm with saying they have found one new match that I might be interested in | 01:18 |
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| CosmoHill | infantry solider in the british army O.o | 01:18 |
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| Guest57738 | good evening ... someone still awake? | 01:19 |
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| thiago | yes | 01:19 |
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| * CosmoHill compiles sourcecode | 01:20 | |
| thiago | :-) | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | thiago you're always up | 01:20 |
| sourcecode | ah thanks ... needed to be compiled *lol* | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | how offended would you be if I said "*gasp* he segfaulted" | 01:21 |
| sourcecode | how active is the meego handset community ... I know there is a little lack of hardware ... but ... | 01:21 |
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| sourcecode | CosmoHill ... sourcecode does not segfault ... I core dump ;) | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | as long as you do that in the bathroom I don't care | 01:25 |
| sourcecode | gg ok ... | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'll be quite now | 01:25 |
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| sourcecode | as far as I've seen there is only the N9, N900 and some of those Avos (can't remember the correct name) ... as well as an LG pre-release mobile back in 2010 ... is this correct? | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | aava | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | there is also the N950 | 01:27 |
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| sourcecode | the N950 ... is this the developer phone from Nokia? | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 01:28 |
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| sourcecode | what's the difference between the N900 and N950 | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 01:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can buy the n900, you can't the 950 | 01:31 |
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| sourcecode | ok ... I've followed the link .. thanks for the hint ... | 01:34 |
| jiero | lol | 01:35 |
| jiero | you can buy N9 and get a custom bluetooth keyboard :D | 01:36 |
| * CosmoHill made that page 2 weeks ago | 01:36 | |
| sourcecode | I'm looking forward to the N9 ... | 01:36 |
| sourcecode | what puzzles me about the N9 is Nokia's pricing policy ... | 01:37 |
| jiero | simple. Nokia want to kill N9 | 01:37 |
| sourcecode | it seems to be much cheaper in Asia ... | 01:37 |
| jiero | or not letting N9 kill themselves | 01:38 |
| sourcecode | CosmoHill which page? | 01:38 |
| CosmoHill | the developers devices | 01:38 |
| sourcecode | ah ok .. :) | 01:38 |
| * CosmoHill will make a wiki todo list | 01:38 | |
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| sourcecode | a friend of mine told me one or two weeks ago that two big Asian handset manufacturers might be interested in MeeGo as an alternative OS platform for their devices .... how realistic are those rumors? | 01:41 |
| thiago | it's not like most of us have inside knowledge | 01:43 |
| thiago | those of us who do, cannot talk about it | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | true | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | the amount of paper work I had to sign saying I wouldn't talk | 01:43 |
| thiago | you'll have better luck reading rumour-mill websites | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | must have been at least an oak tree | 01:43 |
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| sourcecode | sorry .... didn't want to be nosy :) | 01:44 |
| * CosmoHill is joking before anyones starts asking him stuff | 01:45 | |
| berndhs | i could make up some stuff, but let's face it, that's like work | 01:46 |
| sourcecode | the interesting thing about MeeGo is its openness ... especially in respect with data privacy ... its biggest hindrance the lack of devices .... | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: what is this "work" that you speak of | 01:47 |
| berndhs | yeah :/ | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | the subtitles on this dvd are crap, white text with white background most of the time | 01:53 |
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| sourcecode | thank you lads .... cu | 01:54 |
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| sacback | can any one is there to help me out | 10:19 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | Hi Had some questions on Meego policy framework. can anyone help out? | 10:19 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | basically i wanted to add my own resource class and alow the user to configure the priorities at run time | 10:20 |
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| sacback | help! | 10:23 |
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| sacback | can any one tell me that how can i do this Users upload their Power Point (slide and audio) files to my server and it will have to be converted by app into a SWF or FLV extension to be available online. So i need just a converter from Power Point files (PPT, PPTX and PPS) to web presentation files (SWF or FLV). | 10:23 |
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| Myrtti | I'm sure there's a MeeGo element somewhere in that question, I just can't see where | 10:24 |
| sacback | lol | 10:26 |
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| Tumi_ | :P | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, new CTO in nokia | 10:27 |
| Myrtti | yup | 10:27 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | Hi Had some questions on Meego policy framework. can anyone help out? | 10:29 |
| Myrtti | first reactions seem to be positive | 10:29 |
| sacback | can any one tell me the developer channel on irc | 10:29 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: So the previous CTO left? | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: medical leave, dunno | 10:30 |
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| Myrtti | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/09/rich-green-nokia-cto-takes-leave-of-absence-for-personal-reas/ | 10:30 |
| RST38h | In June, Nokia said Green had taken indefinite leave for personal reasons, while media reports said he had disagreed with new chief executive Stephen Elop's smartphone strategy. | 10:30 |
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| RST38h | Ok, based on what Google returns, they basically made the temporary June arrangement permanent, that's all | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | wow, nokia stock looks depressing | 10:32 |
| RST38h | Tirri, a lifelong academic, has over 160 published papers to his name. His interests include artificial intelligence, sensors, and Bayesian research. [and social networks lately] | 10:32 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: has been since February, haven't you noticed? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: no, but it just dumped 0.20eur | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | er, 0.10 | 10:33 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Everybody did, check DOW | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 10:33 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Just going round and round around the black hole (no, I do not mean just NOK) | 10:34 |
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| Myrtti | well you can always look at the misfortune of others for consolation | 10:38 |
| Myrtti | RIM USA has gone down even more bad than Nokia | 10:38 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | Has anyone here worked on meego audio policy? | 10:43 |
| Anssi138 | Myrtti, not really http://tinyurl.com/3jzsvbd | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | Nimesh_Accenture: you might get something out of asking on meego-dev@meego.com | 10:44 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | ok. cool Thx Stskeeps. | 10:44 |
| Myrtti | Anssi138: I was looking at past year | 10:45 |
| Myrtti | Anssi138: but anyway | 10:45 |
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| Anssi138 | Myrtti, yep. | 10:46 |
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| Myrtti | I'm depressed about the world nowadays anyway, I just had to cash into my investment fund savings to pay some huge bills which landed into my hands | 10:47 |
| Anssi138 | what was the expression.. lie, big lie and statistics | 10:47 |
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| Anssi138 | Myrtti, i think the latest rumor is that google has made and an offer | 10:49 |
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| Myrtti | I've heard so many rumours in the past few years that I believe none of them anymore | 10:51 |
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| Anssi138 | yep | 10:56 |
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| RST38h | Google buying RiM makes sense though | 11:03 |
| RST38h | Throw away the hardware and the OS, keep the "secure email" snake oil business | 11:03 |
| RST38h | Just run it through GMail | 11:03 |
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| chouchoune | where can I find the compliance specifications for Meego 1.2 ? | 11:17 |
| chouchoune | I only find the spec for Meego 1.1 in the wiki and the website | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | not sure it exists.. | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:18 |
| chouchoune | ok ;) | 11:18 |
| chouchoune | I've found a "draft" but not sure it was approved ;) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | one more fucked up thing for the pile.. | 11:19 |
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| vgrade | not having an approved compliance spec was going to my defence if anyone told me off for calling something MeeGO | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | i think the trademark would actually be very difficult to enforce now | 11:26 |
| chouchoune | I assume there is no draft for 1.3 ;) | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:26 |
| dm8tbr | there is a draft for 1.2 ;) | 11:27 |
| chouchoune | Meego 1.2 should have QtMobility 1.2 right ? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | no, 1.3 has 1.2 | 11:28 |
| chouchoune | oh, ok | 11:28 |
| chouchoune | 1.0 for Meego 1.2 ? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 11:28 |
| chouchoune | ok | 11:28 |
| chouchoune | thanks | 11:28 |
| chouchoune | I can follow the draft then ;) | 11:28 |
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| Venemo_webchat | so, I now know the error message. (connected my netbook to an external screen | 13:06 |
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| Venemo_webchat | Qt Creator says, "No tool chain can produce code for this Qt version" - for the "Qt in PATH" | 13:06 |
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| Venemo_webchat | does anyone know the solution for this? | 13:09 |
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| Venemo_webchat | so, does anyone know how to solve this issue? | 13:11 |
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| Venemo_webchat | I installed "desktop Qt" with the SDK maintenance tool, and I get the same error message with that too. | 13:12 |
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| Stefan80 | which is the official meego-tablet irc channel? | 13:34 |
| dm8tbr | I don't think there is one | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | #harmattan | 13:35 |
| the-boss | SpeedEvil: Error: "harmattan" is not a valid command. | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | there isn't one is the right answer | 13:35 |
| dm8tbr | unless Stefan80 has access to some intel internal IRC/Chat | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Harmattan is about the nokia n9/n950, which while it has been called meego by some really isn't very. | 13:36 |
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| jiero | SpeedEvil: is there efforts to recreate Harattan like UI? | 13:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. Maybe ask over there/ | 13:40 |
| * jiero felt, in FOSS world, designers always have to follow programmers step. which is sad. | 13:40 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | you want to ask this in #meego-arm | 14:45 |
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| thiago | I think I've hit a compiler bug in the the ARM compiler in the SDK | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | 1.2 i assume | 15:33 |
| thiago | yes | 15:33 |
| thiago | {standard input}:71421: Error: VFP/Neon double precision register expected -- `vmovl.u8 q5,s20' | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | and meego, not harmattan? | 15:33 |
| thiago | yes, meego | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, and no handmade assembly involved? | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | brb (in a queue) | 15:34 |
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| thiago | no, not that I can tell | 15:35 |
| thiago | only intrinsics | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, got source so i could test it on 1.3's? | 15:46 |
| slaine | does the sdk compiler do armv7hl or armv7nhl | 15:47 |
| vgrade1 | or armv7l | 15:48 |
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| Venemo_webchat | hi | 16:28 |
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| mcfrisk | Hi, Q: I'd like to link one OBS to another like public meego obs links to the private one. Seems like remoteurl alone does not cut it, maybe the public API in OBS needs some settings we don't have. Any ideas what to try? | 16:32 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: http://your.other.obs.api/public <remote ? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: armv7hl | 16:48 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: tried that, but can't checkout a project, also opening that page shows nothing except the normal OBS API stuff on private OBS | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: hmm | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: curl http://your.other.obs.api/public/source/SomeProjectInOtherOB | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | S | 16:49 |
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| mcfrisk | ok, that works, https://private.obs/public/source/project_name gives package list in xml | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then <remote should really work, unless there's sme certificate funkyness | 16:54 |
| mcfrisk | can't I just osc -A linked_obs co linked_project:private_obs_project? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | try to osc ls remoteproject:ProjectName | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | -A should naturally be the obs that has the <remoteurl | 16:55 |
| mcfrisk | yes | 16:55 |
| mcfrisk | ok, I can see my home project but not the other public projects in remote obs | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps there's some permissions set up? | 16:57 |
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| mcfrisk | ok I see a number of projects but not the ones I want, heh | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | trick: you can do remoteurl http://user:password@api too, i think, but i don't know if others can then extract that user/password.. | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | you're practically anonymous when you do obs api so | 16:59 |
| mcfrisk | yes, noticed that remoteurl is shown in project page with password | 16:59 |
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| mcfrisk | the linked project that can't be seen has some userforbuild, build and publish disabled for our meego baseline, maybe that causes this obs linking failure, and the rpmlint thing too | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | should still show | 17:05 |
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| mcfrisk | we linked two obs'es to the master obs, on other one osc ls shows the project but not on the other one, sigh | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | i've been working on a concept so you can rsync around obs repo contents instead, a so called fakeobs | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | basically caches the entire output of the obs api and allows one to link to the fake obs as it was a real obs | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:07 |
| mcfrisk | oh no... | 17:08 |
| mcfrisk | we've just rsynced rpm repos and imported src.rpm's on the other end. But linking would be better. | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | mostly just very early adaptors for a minimal meego-derived core/portable, but http://monster.tspre.org/~prjfetcher/mer/ if you want to look around at it | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org/~prjfetcher/mer/releases/0.20110920.1/meta/sources/ and http://monster.tspre.org/~prjfetcher/mer/sources-tree/alsa-lib/ really makes it clear it's a obs dump | 17:09 |
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| mcfrisk | human error, project with the same name from another linking trial, thanks Stskeeps | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah, makes sense | 17:13 |
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| mcfrisk | when checking out a linked project, osc throws a python2.7 trace "no element found", known issue? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | checking out a remote proj over link, or a project that's linked, over the link? | 17:44 |
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| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: checking out project over the link | 17:53 |
| mcfrisk | we got the traces on opensuse 11.4 on a few machines | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | odd | 17:54 |
| mcfrisk | osc version is 0.132.6-61.2 | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | may be on serverside? check with -d | 17:56 |
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| mcfrisk | ok will try, where to file bug? obs or meego? | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | obs, probably | 18:02 |
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| lbt | http://xkcd.com/937/ <---- apps.meego.com | 18:30 |
| lbt | oops | 18:30 |
| lbt | http://xkcd.com/937/ <---- apps.formeego.org | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | I found one publisher of n9 apps in the ovi store with >2400 apps. | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | _all_ useless RSS feed links. | 18:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yes, there is clearly a use for having large numbers of apps in teh store. B ut if users can't find the real apps to download... | 18:40 |
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| ali1234 | SpeedEvil: are they app wizard ones? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: if i got you an obs account and a project to play in, would you be interested patching my core towards non-atom? (has to be able to co-exist ideally) | 19:06 |
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| ali1234 | well | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | but, i don't really know where to start with that | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | change target to i486-meego-linux and see how much crap breaks? :P | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | i can get you started with a linked project | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | ok | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | k, lemme set itu p | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ali1234: Unsure | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | SpeedEvil: app wizard is a good idea but it sorely needs more than just 1 type of app | 19:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Teh fundamental flaw is that many of them are useless on their face. | 19:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example 'foo news' - where nothing on the app title tells you it's a brazillian newsfeed | 19:11 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i tried to reimplement the nokia sparse file creator and my version makes smaller files and i don't know why | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | not the lzo part, just the 0 knock out part | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what else shall we do to compete with the 5 mio apps on apple appstore? ;-P | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | where each single page of a book comes as a separate app XP | 19:30 |
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| dm8tbr | http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/22/openmobile-demos-acl-for-meego-promises-100-compatibility-with/ | 20:37 |
| dm8tbr | hmmm | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes, looks cool | 20:37 |
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| dm8tbr | although I suspect it's just android in an Xorg window | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you recall, someone did a similar feat for ubuntu long long ago | 20:40 |
| RST38h | OpenMobile's thing works for generic Linux | 20:40 |
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| dm8tbr | I guess to make it 'portable' you could go and stuff it into qemu... | 20:40 |
| dm8tbr | *bling* android in a window | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | or just wire up dalvik and stuff on to own stuff | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly the alien dalvik (?) was qt based | 20:41 |
| dm8tbr | ah, interesting | 20:41 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd be afraid of reimplementing too much as google just needs to 'make a move' and boom you need to rewrite a lot | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Google can't make any big moves now, too much stuff already depends on it | 20:43 |
| RST38h | But still, it is stupid to reimplement android when you can take the existing stuff | 20:43 |
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| berndhs | ah I can be on google+ now, all my troubles are over | 21:02 |
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| alterego | heh | 21:02 |
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| berndhs | yeah but once you | 21:04 |
| berndhs | once you are part of the Dark Side, it doesn't matter | 21:04 |
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| digitalsky | ping Sage | 23:27 |
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| Sage | digitalsky: pong | 23:42 |
| digitalsky | hi Sage. | 23:43 |
| digitalsky | so regarding that image creator issue with colon in repo paths | 23:44 |
| digitalsky | I tried to email Yi Yang from intel for suggestions but it appears he is no longer on the project | 23:44 |
| digitalsky | (I've fixed it in my local verison but it's not a proper fix) | 23:44 |
| digitalsky | Do you know any of the guys who recently committed to mic? | 23:45 |
| Sage | o/ :) | 23:45 |
| digitalsky | ? | 23:45 |
| Sage | http://meego.gitorious.com/meego-developer-tools/image-creator <- see the last :) | 23:46 |
| digitalsky | you are Marko? | 23:47 |
| Sage | Yes :) | 23:47 |
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| digitalsky | oh, did you see my email? | 23:48 |
| Sage | digitalsky: create a bug and add your fix proposal to it. I can take a look at some point that, but atm. I'm a bit busy with our CE Fall release. | 23:48 |
| Sage | yes, I saw that but haven't had much time to do other than CE stuff during last couple of weeks. | 23:48 |
| digitalsky | ok. sorry i haven't done this before. could you please point out where i can create a bug? | 23:48 |
| digitalsky | and how? | 23:49 |
| Sage | first, you need account to www.meego.com | 23:49 |
| digitalsky | ok | 23:49 |
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| Sage | Then go to http://bugs.meego.com -> login and click New on the top left corner. There select MeeGo Platform -> Development Tools and Assing to product MIC (Image creator) | 23:50 |
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| CosmoHill | hey javispedro | 23:50 |
| Sage | digitalsky: I will get mail about that as well as other MIC devels. | 23:51 |
| javispedro | CosmoHill: hi | 23:51 |
| digitalsky | alright. i'll try to do that today then. thanks Sage | 23:51 |
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