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| madsara | Hmmm, looks like meego 1.2 doesn't like me | 00:29 |
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| madsara | Hangs at black screen... "unable to remount root with SSD option | 00:29 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, finally do... | 01:01 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, do you have any idea where the builded rpm are? | 01:01 |
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| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12636 | 01:10 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 12636 maj, Low, ---, arjan, NEW, Netbook kernels being build with NOHIGHMEM=y | 01:10 |
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| ali1234 | that's your problem | 01:10 |
| ali1234 | limits memory to 1GB | 01:11 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, yes, a bug with no solution | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | the solution is simple | 01:11 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: for you | 01:11 |
| DonaldShimoda | ? | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | rebuild kernel with NOHIGHMEM=n | 01:11 |
| CosmoHill | if you have access rights on the other hand it's easy | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | that could be done on OBS | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | in fact i could probably do it | 01:11 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, hehe, thank you! but building kenel on meego is a nigthmare | 01:11 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, what? | 01:12 |
| ali1234 | yes, building the kernel is hard | 01:12 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, no no, building kernel NO MEEGO is hard | 01:12 |
| ali1234 | i'm testing with build now | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | I'd install the dev tools and build a custom kernel on meego | 01:12 |
| ali1234 | sure, on meego | 01:12 |
| ali1234 | building a random kernel is trivial | 01:12 |
| * CosmoHill is used to compiling....everything tbh | 01:12 | |
| thiago | double negative | 01:12 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, yes , i bet was realky easy for you, congrats! | 01:13 |
| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: which version of meego are you using? | 01:13 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, i build my kernel for ubuntu painless, but on meego is a shame | 01:13 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, 1.2 | 01:13 |
| DonaldShimoda | all updates applied | 01:13 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, for start the wiki is wrong about this, not even existe the files... | 01:14 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, what method yoiu apply for build kernel? | 01:14 |
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| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, what method do you use then...? | 01:15 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, dont you do every day? | 01:15 |
| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: what hardware you run on? | 01:15 |
| ali1234 | pinetrail? | 01:15 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, aspire one D255E | 01:15 |
| DonaldShimoda | netbook | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | means nothing to me | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | what cpu is it? | 01:16 |
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| DonaldShimoda | netbook, atom n550 2 G what more? | 01:16 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: easy, all you need is a screw driver | 01:17 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, you are funny, that joke show me you dont even know what you talk about... | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | you mean that your specific device has the RAM soldered onto the motherboard? | 01:18 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, you never build the kernel, then dont talk shit please, dont help you lie | 01:18 |
| * CosmoHill blinks | 01:18 | |
| ali1234 | lol | 01:18 |
| ali1234 | anyway it is pinetrail | 01:19 |
| ali1234 | are you using the pinetrail kernel adaptation? | 01:19 |
| DonaldShimoda | i really find impossible a linux dont supporting 2g ram out of the box... what kind of assholes take this direction to a project? | 01:19 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, ? | 01:20 |
| DonaldShimoda | 2.6.37.6-11.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 5 08:35:27 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux | 01:20 |
| ali1234 | in pinetrail kernel adaptation this is accepted as a bug | 01:20 |
| thiago | DonaldShimoda: people who know how much performance loss you have by enabling highmem | 01:20 |
| ali1234 | again that tells me nothing | 01:20 |
| DonaldShimoda | im using the kernel the installer install | 01:20 |
| DonaldShimoda | thiago, really? a lot more than lossing the half of your memory... | 01:20 |
| ali1234 | and which installer did you use? | 01:21 |
| DonaldShimoda | thiago, what a bunch of crap! haha | 01:21 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, netbook installer | 01:21 |
| thiago | DonaldShimoda: ok, suit yourself. I know who these people are and they know the kernel VM inside and out. | 01:21 |
| * CosmoHill wonders what people do on netbooks that require 1GB+ | 01:21 | |
| ali1234 | why does highmem cause a performance hit anyway? | 01:22 |
| thiago | the point is that there are a lot of netbooks with 1 GB (that's the mainstream) | 01:22 |
| DonaldShimoda | thiago, i will do, if someday somebody fix the probnlem to build a simple kernel, they seems to forget what is linux... | 01:22 |
| thiago | ali1234: I don't know. Ask arjan. | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: if you build a simple kernel then it will only work on that device | 01:23 |
| DonaldShimoda | thiago, actually no | 01:23 |
| berndhs | different addressing modes I think | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | i guess it is something to do with memory addresses and instruction widths? | 01:23 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, uh? | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: I think Arjan explained it to me, I'll see if I can find the log | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: regular distros use complex kernels with initramfs | 01:23 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: good | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | like a full 32 bit address takes 2 instructions to load or something (if the total instruction width is 32 bits) | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | bet it is more complicated than that though | 01:23 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, previous meego versions support my 2 GBç | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: my simple kernel has the minimum needed to boot and everything else is a module, there is no initrd but a hacked bootscript that mounts my RAID post boot | 01:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, the "improved" 1.2 version dont | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: that's why it was filed as a bug | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | personally I think there should be a kernel with more than 1GB support that can be installed from the repo post installation | 01:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, exactly, then dont say is not a bug affecting only myself | 01:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, and will start to agree then... | 01:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, in short time even phones and other devices in the target of meego will have more than 1 GB | 01:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | soon, very soon | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | phone with 2GB? | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | it's much easier to roll out a new kernel with 1GB+ than a device :) | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | wait, that's more than my freaking laptop | 01:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, and your point is? | 01:27 |
| ali1234 | not any time in the next year | 01:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, is not easy using meego... | 01:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, chinese device, yes sr | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: when someone ships a device with 1GB+ they can do one of two things | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | basically either MeeGo or the vendor will ship a kernel that supports the 1GB+ | 01:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, dont think will happen | 01:28 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, already there devices with more than 1 GB (my netbook) and meego see other side | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | did the vendor ship that device with meego? | 01:29 |
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| DonaldShimoda | yes, linpus, suck big time | 01:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | closed like the ass of a cow | 01:29 |
| berndhs | some vendors will ship phones with 2GB for differentiation, whether they work any better or not | 01:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | if i have a bomb some day, will go tho the linpus office and put there | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | clearly I'm not as familiar with cow's arses as you are | 01:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, i think you are, dont you a english farmer? :P | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | lots and lots of laptops came with 4GB of RAM and 32bit vista | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | not all farms have cattle | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: I can't seem to find it so it might have been a PM or just a quick comment | 01:31 |
| berndhs | i'm almost feeling inspired to build a kernel now :) | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: 2.6 or 3.0? | 01:31 |
| * thiago built a kernel last week | 01:31 | |
| berndhs | 3.0 I think | 01:31 |
| thiago | first time since 2000 or so | 01:31 |
| thiago | 3.1, then 3.0 | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | all I've heard about 3.0 is a lot of swearing and "ah finally" | 01:32 |
| DonaldShimoda | another thing, why the kenerl is not oriented to atom cpus, but to pentium-m | 01:32 |
| DonaldShimoda | wgain what a crap! | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | wait what? | 01:32 |
| ali1234 | that's completely false | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | meego targets atoms | 01:32 |
| ali1234 | it specifically won't work on pentium-m | 01:32 |
| DonaldShimoda | well, the default config is pentium-n | 01:32 |
| DonaldShimoda | i downloaded it to build, so.... | 01:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | check yourself! | 01:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, on your dreams! | 01:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | pentium-m baby | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | the pentium M is pre-Core1 which itself isn't supported by meego | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: my dreams are of a cattle free farm? | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | how do i branch kernel-adaptation-pinetrail?? | 01:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | yes, sure, then why when you run make menuconfig on the meego kernel you get pentium-m selected? | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | what repo/project is it in? | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: because you didn't make oldconfig? | 01:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | yes sure, off course i di! | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors | 01:35 |
| thiago | SSSE3 or higher required | 01:35 |
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| ali1234 | we know that stuff is including ssse3 instructions,because we disassembled it all and checked | 01:36 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, you disassembled what? which kind of sick are you? LOL | 01:37 |
| DonaldShimoda | do you work where? | 01:37 |
| thiago | glibc, Qt, etc. | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: every single binary rpm in all of meego 1.1 | 01:37 |
| thiago | it's unlikely that every single one has SSSE3 | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | they don't | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | rpm doesn't need SSSE3 but yum and zypper do | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | only glibc and qt has any | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | well, in 1.1 | 01:37 |
| thiago | Qt has processor detection | 01:38 |
| ali1234 | think glibc does too | 01:38 |
| CosmoHill | as does gmp but they can be overridden | 01:38 |
| berndhs | I think even in 1.2, if you avoid browsers and things, you can run for days without ssse3 | 01:38 |
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| * CosmoHill booted meego 1.0 on a P4 | 01:38 | |
| CosmoHill | even had chromium running in X11 | 01:38 |
| thiago | well, for Qt's intentional use of intrinsics | 01:39 |
| thiago | but it's possible that other SSSE3 instructions were used by the compiler | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: wait, runtime or compile time processor detection? | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: btw have you added your devices to the developer's page? | 01:40 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: the intentional use of SSSE3 in Qt is always compiled in, but it checks the processor features at runtime | 01:40 |
| thiago | there's some SSE4.1 and 4.2 code that isn't run-time checked, but MeeGo builds don't enable those | 01:41 |
| thiago | add what devices where? | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 01:41 |
| * thiago only has regular laptops | 01:41 | |
| thiago | and the Lenovo tablet from Dublin | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | I'm pretty sure some of the intel folk have macbook pros | 01:42 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ups, sorry mi isp down for a while | 01:43 |
| thiago | I also don't use my N900 for development. It's my main phone. | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | "On computers with a lot of physical memory, this can mean that there exists memory that the kernel cannot refer to directly—this is called high memory. When the kernel wishes to address high memory, it creates a mapping on the fly and destroys the mapping when done, which incurs a performance penalty." | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | thiago, that's okay, other people use it for dev work | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering today about silly things. | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | silly by who's standards? | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Like SDRAM-compatible 64M memory modules with 1G of real RAM, for that emm386 experience. | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Can be configured to page any of the gig into the last meg or two | 01:46 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, still justifyng dont havong a option with highmem kernel? LOL | 01:46 |
| thiago | I suggested using a 64-bit kernel in Dublin | 01:46 |
| thiago | I don't remember why that wasn't a good idea | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: it was on wikipedia | 01:46 |
| DonaldShimoda | thiago, yes, another good point, a shame dont having 64 bits | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: early Atoms are only 32bit | 01:46 |
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| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, wikipedia sucks also | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | hey javispedro: do you have any developer devices to add? http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 01:47 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, can i add my device has NOT WORKING device? :P | 01:48 |
| javispedro | CosmoHill: a PC? ;) | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | sure, only if you become a meego developer | 01:48 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, you guys a really closed, haha! | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | javispedro: I'm half temped to add my desktop, on one had it's meego compatable but on the other hand I don't do dev work for meego | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | s/had/hand/ | 01:49 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: javispedro: I'm half temped to add my desktop, on one hand it's meego compatable but on the other hand I don't do dev work for meego | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | *its | 01:49 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, but make me a favor, as you are part of the kingdom, add ALL THE DEVICES WITH 2 GB RAM , that go on the DONT WORK column! | 01:49 |
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| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: but they do work | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | my 4GB desktop will run meego | 01:50 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, no out of the box, so dont matter | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | off the livecd | 01:50 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, then please write a rogth tuto on the wiki | 01:50 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, bullshit | 01:50 |
| DonaldShimoda | the wiki is wrong | 01:50 |
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| CosmoHill | I stopped using the livecd when I found out meego limits you to 1GB cos my programs where maxing out and hanging | 01:51 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, so? | 01:51 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, how do you rebuild your kernel then.... | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | there is a difference between being limited to 1GB and not being able to boot | 01:52 |
| ali1234 | um so in the kernel configs in the srpm, how does the adaptation config override the generic one? | 01:52 |
| DonaldShimoda | ah ok, theres a difference betweeen booting and be usable | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: if you were to make an rpm you'd have the spec file specifiy that it replaces the default kernel | 01:53 |
| ali1234 | no | 01:53 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, you refuse to tell me the simple steps to rebuild the kernel | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: I ran gcc / ppl test suits on meego to crash it | 01:53 |
| DonaldShimoda | will you or not? | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: type "make menuconfig" | 01:53 |
| ali1234 | none of that stuff works | 01:54 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, i see funny england farmer... | 01:54 |
| ali1234 | the simple way to rebuild kernel is do it on OBS, which is what i am doing now | 01:54 |
| CosmoHill | wait, did I say that I build kernels or that I build kernels for meego? | 01:54 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, give me some link please | 01:54 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: if you just wait you can have his kernel | 01:54 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, the meego wiki was writed but a retarded, i suppose you guess who! LOL | 01:54 |
| * CosmoHill giggles | 01:55 | |
| ali1234 | so how does merge.pl work? | 01:55 |
| ali1234 | i hate reading perl code to try to figure out what it does | 01:55 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: it's kinda like php, that's how I get by | 01:55 |
| ali1234 | perl is nothing like php | 01:55 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't even have reasonable function definitions | 01:56 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, you are really funny: php like perl LOL! | 01:56 |
| ali1234 | every perl function takes a single argument | 01:56 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, do you even touch a line of code in your live? | 01:56 |
| ali1234 | makes perl code completely unreadable | 01:56 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, do you build a meego kernel sucessfull or dont? | 01:59 |
| ali1234 | i dunno yet, OBS takes a while | 02:00 |
| ali1234 | i never managed to do it without OBS | 02:00 |
| ali1234 | i never tried to use OBS before | 02:00 |
| DonaldShimoda | WTF is OBS? | 02:00 |
| ali1234 | oh wow | 02:01 |
| DonaldShimoda | googling , wait | 02:01 |
| berndhs | OpenSuse Build System, best thing since sliced bread | 02:01 |
| ali1234 | building the kernel on OBS failed with the same dumb error as when i tried to use rpmbuild | 02:01 |
| ali1234 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=kernel-adaptation-pinetrail&project=home%3Aali1234%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3AMeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss&repository=MeeGo_Trunk_standard | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: I've rarely used perl and my way to transitioning / learning a new language is to find a similar one I've used before | 02:01 |
| DonaldShimoda | ah, ok | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: I have a job interview at a company that makes bread slicing machines | 02:02 |
| DonaldShimoda | im a debian guy, know very little about rpm ecosystems | 02:02 |
| ali1234 | how do i revert an OBS project to a previous commit? | 02:02 |
| DonaldShimoda | i need something saying a build a kernel using meego!!!! | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | before you build the kernel | 02:04 |
| DonaldShimoda | theres no one? | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | do you want to see if someone already has? | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | i could quite believe that nobody ever managed to build a kernel outside of the core OBS | 02:04 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, what a problem.... | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: there are a few pinetail kernels | 02:05 |
| ali1234 | i've been complaining about it for literally months | 02:05 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, well, i like meego but i nee to run vms on some situations, 1 GB dont fit my model | 02:05 |
| ali1234 | i will start over and this time try to build it unchanged | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | there;s about six packages called "kernel" with no description or other details | 02:06 |
| DonaldShimoda | can you tell me the steps and i will try the same? | 02:06 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, is a bot or is ..? | 02:06 |
| ali1234 | wait why is it trying to build against "meego trunk standard" | 02:06 |
| ali1234 | i asked for meego 1.2 | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | to use the OBS you'll need to register which you can't do atm cos they're asleep | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: beboop boop beep | 02:07 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, sorry, happens you sound like are no smart in a human being | 02:07 |
| lcuk | evening \o | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: son of a bitch I'd knew you'd do that | 02:08 |
| CosmoHill | whenever I say you're not here cos you've gone to sleep you appear | 02:08 |
| lcuk | well thank the cat | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | whut is the difference between meego trunk standard and meego current core? | 02:08 |
| lcuk | he just yowled to be let in | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | neither of them builds this kernel | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | now since I just rejoined, CosmoHill what did you want | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: would like an account on the OBS | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | not that he knows that, we just wants to use both gigabytes of RAM in his laptop | 02:10 |
| DonaldShimoda | lcuk, howto build a kernel to build a kernel supporting 2 GB RAM | 02:10 |
| CosmoHill | s/we/he/ | 02:10 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: not that he knows that, he just wants to use both gigabytes of RAM in his laptop | 02:10 |
| lcuk | i don't deal with them, but if I did I would ask what he wanted the account for | 02:10 |
| CosmoHill | oh crap that's lbt isn't it | 02:10 |
| lcuk | DonaldShimoda, you have been trying for most of the day to build your kernel | 02:10 |
| DonaldShimoda | lcuk, i dont want any accopunt, just want to build a f*ng kernel... | 02:10 |
| DonaldShimoda | lcuk, yes yes, somebody understand my pain, thanks. :P | 02:11 |
| lcuk | DonaldShimoda, what hardware is this for? | 02:11 |
| ali1234 | pinetrail | 02:11 |
| ali1234 | we've already been through all this | 02:11 |
| lcuk | i have gone through similar frustrations with various things | 02:11 |
| DonaldShimoda | aspire one D255E, atom N550, 2 GB ram | 02:11 |
| lcuk | ok fine | 02:11 |
| ali1234 | i got as far as branching kernel-adaptation-pinetrail from meego 1.2 on COBS | 02:11 |
| ali1234 | but it won't build | 02:11 |
| DonaldShimoda | lcuk, go to sleep again? | 02:12 |
| ali1234 | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Aali1234%3Abranches%3AMeeGo.com%3AMeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss | 02:12 |
| ali1234 | so, the project has no build targets. what do? | 02:12 |
| lcuk | DonaldShimoda, i will | 02:14 |
| lcuk | ali1234, add build target of course | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | hmm i think i managed to do it through advanced interface | 02:14 |
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| ali1234 | no, it still failed | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | 400 remote error: unexpected EOF | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | does that mean i did something wrong, or just that OBS sucks? | 02:15 |
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| lcuk | you broke obs | 02:17 |
| ali1234 | it's so hard to tell why OBS fails | 02:17 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: it's a sunday | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | day of rest / segfaults | 02:17 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, is saturday here | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | UTC | 02:18 |
| DonaldShimoda | LOL | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | now leave my cows alone | 02:18 |
| DonaldShimoda | you suck big time | 02:18 |
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| DonaldShimoda | can you believe it? my kernel is advancing! is on drivers/staging/ folders! | 02:19 |
| DonaldShimoda | maybe theres a ligth at the end! | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | imma just tick every repository and see if any of them actually work | 02:20 |
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| DonaldShimoda | where will be the rpms once the build process end? | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | i'll worry about that later | 02:20 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, hehe | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | I know | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | i think i might be hammering it now | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/ali1234%3a/ | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: there's already stuff there | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | yes | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | i built something before | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | it should have something like MeeGo_Truck_XXXXXXX | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | or whichever one you selected | 02:22 |
| ali1234 | i selected them all | 02:22 |
| ali1234 | wow it is bilding now | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | so it ws my changed that screwed it | 02:23 |
| DonaldShimoda | he? how can be on the web the stuff i build on my machine??? | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | OBS is a remote build service | 02:23 |
| DonaldShimoda | yeah, but mine no! | 02:23 |
| DonaldShimoda | im using the wiki method! | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | well the wiki method doesn't work | 02:24 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, thanks for your support, i really apreciate it | 02:24 |
| lcuk | how do you compile a kernel using a wiki? | 02:24 |
| DonaldShimoda | LOL | 02:24 |
| DonaldShimoda | lcuk, well, im a big hacker... | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | derpity derp | 02:24 |
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| DonaldShimoda | how can i try the obs method????? | 02:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | in paralell! | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | you need an account | 02:25 |
| lcuk | you need an obs account | 02:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | how will gibve me this? | 02:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | who give this account? | 02:25 |
| lcuk | which lbt or X-Fade can sort out, however they are likely zzz | 02:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | shit | 02:25 |
| berndhs | and you probably want to ask them politely :) | 02:25 |
| lcuk | and ali1234 is building it anyway | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | i think i nearly did it | 02:26 |
| lcuk | it will emerge in his repo | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | it's so hard to tell with this thing | 02:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.dgo0gh | 02:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | well mine is adavancing | 02:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | again, where are the rpms located on my machine after the build? | 02:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | not using OBS because OBS is for polite people... | 02:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | (acording to berndhs ) | 02:28 |
| DonaldShimoda | nobody knows? man im starting with meego but dont you are using this sh** for many time? | 02:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | hello? | 02:32 |
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| DonaldShimoda | ok, anybody out what happens? | 02:34 |
| andre__ | "IRC: The perfect place to learn about patience." | 02:40 |
| lcuk | andre__, \o | 02:41 |
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| CosmoHill | andre__: perfect example in LFS; guy joins, asks why he should use lfs, waits 5 mins and leaves | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, couple irc with my connection and you'll learn about patience every minute | 02:42 |
| andre__ | Hello? Can I ask a question? | 02:43 |
| andre__ | Why is it so quiet here? | 02:43 |
| ali1234 | DO U HAVE COLOR? | 02:43 |
| andre__ | I CAN HAZ COLORR! | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: do you ever find it annoy sometimes that you need to use american english when coding? | 02:44 |
| ali1234 | no, because i don't | 02:44 |
| CosmoHill | fair does | 02:44 |
| ali1234 | unless i'm using a QColor or something | 02:44 |
| ali1234 | but my code is always like QColor MyColour; | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | and i don't care what anyone thinks | 02:45 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, hopw goes your build? | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | i think it just finished | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | CosmoHill, I do | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: if it's successful it should be on repo.pub in a minute or so | 02:46 |
| ali1234 | yeah but i didn't patch it yet | 02:46 |
| ali1234 | i don't understand how this merge.pl is supposed to work | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | spent quite a while wondering what's wrong once when i was using QColour | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | when I've done websites and wonders why things aren't in the centre | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | was wondering why it failed to build, then I noticed it was american QColor... | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | or why the background colour is being ignored | 02:47 |
| ali1234 | or why the tyres keep falling off... | 02:47 |
| DonaldShimoda | two hours compiling my meego, i go to my ssh session, and hot CTRL+C to show you the progress (building rpms) and guess what happens!!!!! | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I was kicking my mates tyre trying to get it off the damn car but it wouldn't come | 02:48 |
| DonaldShimoda | im a IDIOT, hehehehe | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | I could have told you that hours ago | 02:48 |
| ali1234 | you pressed ctrl-c two hours into a kernel build? | 02:48 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, suck me dick my friend | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | no thanks, you're not my type | 02:48 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, no, i hit CTRL-C and abort the build processs!!!!! | 02:48 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: now i think about it i usually use color not colour, because it is one less char to type, and i am lazy | 02:49 |
| DonaldShimoda | LOL | 02:49 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, starting over | 02:49 |
| ali1234 | depends if i'm feeling lazy or ornery when i write the code i guess | 02:50 |
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| berndhs | i mix american and british spelling and claim it's canadian | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | I have a mac with a UK mac keyboard and a desktop mac with a uk qwer | 02:52 |
| CosmoHill | and a desktop with a mac keyboard but standard uk qwerty layout | 02:53 |
| CosmoHill | so things like ", @ and # move about | 02:53 |
| CosmoHill | recently my touch typing has changed from mac UK to standard UK | 02:53 |
| DonaldShimoda | c'mon c'mon! | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | right lets see if i did it right this time | 02:56 |
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| ali1234 | i think it failed before because i didn't set CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y | 02:56 |
| DonaldShimoda | you kidding! | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | nope | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | still doesn't work | 02:56 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, and what hardware do the build process? | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | i dunno | 02:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | i hope theres no someone playing quake on the machine | 02:57 |
| CosmoHill | DonaldShimoda: the OBS is a remote server used for compiling MeeGo packages | 02:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | or doom | 02:57 |
| CosmoHill | *servers | 02:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, yes farmer, what hardware it have | 02:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | is a cloud? | 02:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | a storm? | 02:58 |
| CosmoHill | the key word there being "remote" | 02:58 |
| DonaldShimoda | a farm? | 02:58 |
| CosmoHill | I'm sure someone somewhere knows | 02:58 |
| CosmoHill | but they're probably asleep | 02:58 |
| ali1234 | you'd have to ask lbt | 02:58 |
| DonaldShimoda | even if is remote is a machine rigth? | 02:58 |
| ali1234 | i know there's several machines | 02:58 |
| berndhs | someone posted a photograph a few days ago | 02:58 |
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| lcuk | \o berndhs | 02:59 |
| CosmoHill | anyone know when they're going to get the single sign on to work with OBS? | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | it does work | 03:00 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: after they rename meego to the new name :P | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | well I'm off to sleep, cyas | 03:02 |
| berndhs | night Cosmo | 03:02 |
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| ali1234 | i do not understand | 03:06 |
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| ali1234 | it's crashing at make oldconfig just like it does with rpmbuild | 03:06 |
| ali1234 | it's the same old bug | 03:06 |
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| ali1234 | Makefile:110: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop. | 03:11 |
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| ali1234 | lol | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | guess what causes that error | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | guess | 03:12 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:44 |
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| lcuk | morning Termana | 04:04 |
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| ali1234 | no, i'm pretty sure it is stuck | 04:14 |
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| ali1234 | yeah so the worker is just restarting over and over | 04:29 |
| ali1234 | also local build without obs fails, because nothing provides rpmlint-mobile | 04:31 |
| ali1234 | rpmlint-moblin | 04:31 |
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| ali1234 | i think it succeeded | 05:02 |
| ali1234 | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/ali1234%3a/branches%3a/MeeGo.com%3a/MeeGo%3a/1.2%3a/oss/MeeGo_Trunk_standard/i586/ | 05:06 |
| ali1234 | this kernel should have 2GB support | 05:06 |
| ali1234 | it might utterly fail to boot though | 05:06 |
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| iluminator101 | hi has anyone been able to port meego to hp touchpad? | 05:28 |
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| iluminator101 | is there meego that uses .deb instead of meego | 05:42 |
| iluminator101 | is there meego that uses .deb instead of rpm | 05:43 |
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| twoboxen | harmattan | 05:48 |
| twoboxen | is meego api compatible | 05:48 |
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| Modeless | #cordia | 09:12 |
| the-boss | Modeless: Error: "cordia" is not a valid command. | 09:12 |
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| Venemo | what the heck is http://www.intel.com/idf/mobileapp/index.htm ? - no MeeGo version | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: well there's not exactly any meego handsets.. | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | frankly, they should just do as they preach and do a HTML5 version | 09:15 |
| Venemo | agreed :P | 09:15 |
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| RST38h | In fact, they should ONLY do Meego version | 09:19 |
| RST38h | ;) | 09:19 |
| Venemo | RST38h ++ | 09:19 |
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| dm8tbr | they should be giving away free handsets WITH the meego version ;) | 09:20 |
| Venemo | xD | 09:21 |
| RST38h | They should be giving away free Core i7 handsets with the meego version! | 09:22 |
| dm8tbr | built in nuclear power plant? | 09:23 |
| RST38h | a built in bicycle | 09:24 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i managed to build a kernel on COBS last night | 11:26 |
| ali1234 | however local build did not work | 11:26 |
| ali1234 | after several minor but fixable errors in the instructions i hit something i could not fix | 11:27 |
| ali1234 | build dies saying "nothing provides rpmlint-Moblin" | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: hmm | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: rpmlint-Moblin shouldn't be in use in 1.2 | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: can you walk me through what you usd? | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | first i installed meego-1.2.0-netbook-x86 | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | booted it up, got root shell with su - | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | zypper install build perl-XML-Parser | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | tried to import RPM key but it did not work, presumably i already have it | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | looked in /usr/lib/build/configs, there is no meego-1.2.conf, only meego-1.0.conf | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | it is already linked to default | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's probably where something blew up | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | assume it is an oversight, someone forgot to bump version | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | nah, 1.0 and 1.2 differs | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | then i enabled 1.2.0-oss-source repo with zypper me -e 1.2.0-oss-source | 11:31 |
| ali1234 | then i got s srpm with zypper si -D kernel-adaptation-pinetrail | 11:31 |
| ali1234 | then ran build on the spec file that zypper installed | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org:8000/public/source/MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss/_config - grab that and name it meego-1.2.conf | 11:32 |
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| ali1234 | ok, retrying | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | it's downloading packages, i don't think it did that before. so looks good | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | where did you get the build package? meego 1.2 i presume? | 11:36 |
| ali1234 | yes | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:37 |
| ali1234 | whatever default repos are in meego-1.2 | 11:37 |
| ali1234 | there is actually a tools repo folder for meego | 11:37 |
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| ali1234 | dunno if it is enabled by default though | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, build should be working though | 11:37 |
| ali1234 | you'd think... | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i know :P | 11:37 |
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| iekku | it's weekend, does somethig work | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm always working :P | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | except when i sleep, then my mind is | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:43 |
| ali1234 | now i got this: http://pastebin.com/81F2tTUc | 11:44 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, i don't think you are building machine... | 11:44 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, i think work isn't work for you, but way of life | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: was linux-2.6.38.tar.gz in your srpm? | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | er, bz2 | 11:45 |
| ali1234 | yes | 11:46 |
| ali1234 | but i didn't have a srpm | 11:46 |
| ali1234 | i have a .spec | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and tarball alongside? | 11:46 |
| ali1234 | no, the tarball is in a dirfferent directory, because that is what zypper si does | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's silly | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | put it all in one dir and try again | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | ok retrying | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | while i was trying to use COBS last night, the worker got stuck in a reboot loop | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | it would crash at "starting XEN kernel" and then restart a while later | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | it did that about 20 times in a hour, then finally worked | 11:49 |
| ali1234 | i that normal? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | probably not | 11:49 |
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| ali1234 | well, the error is different now | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | not it complains that every single file *inside* the linux tarball does not exist | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | eg /bin/tar: linux-2.6.38/arch/microblaze/boot/dts: Cannot stat: No such file or directory | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | out of memory? | 11:51 |
| dm8tbr | ali1234: http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_api_7days_2011-09-04T07.59.30.png - it just came back from being down (not shown on the graph) | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | err, space | 11:51 |
| dm8tbr | so if anything from core obs was necessary for that build | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i have 99GB free | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: hmmm. | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: can you paste the full build log? | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | dm8tbr: this was about 7 hours ago, could be in previous red patch i guess | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | about 1am-2am UTC | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | dm8tbr: anyway, it dutifully built the FS image from packages each time, then crashed while trying to launch it, with error 55 | 11:53 |
| dm8tbr | source service / api was up between 00:00z and 08:00z AFAICS | 11:53 |
| dm8tbr | ok, most likely unrelated then | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: it appears to still be building? :/ | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: fun | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | well at least we're closer to a reason | 11:55 |
| ali1234 | the full log so far is a couple of mb | 11:56 |
| ali1234 | pastebin.com won't accept it | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm more interested in the first ~200 lines | 11:56 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/rCYMCkNj | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: did you set default to meego 1.2 conf? | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | yes, i set the link | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:58 |
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| ali1234 | oh, some more fun errors | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/9bvHLpAd | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | those are fairly normal | 12:01 |
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| ali1234 | according to top, 3x cc1 is running | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | so it is doing something | 12:02 |
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| dm8tbr | there we go again *sing* | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | different cause | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, its' the no socket attached | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | before it simply didn't answer | 12:14 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 12:15 |
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| dm8tbr | http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_api_7days_2011-09-04T09.17.27.png and http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_http_7days_2011-09-04T09.16.36.png - should allow to understand which is which | 12:19 |
| dm8tbr | ignore the 'warning' state as that's just due to core obs answering with 401 on https / | 12:20 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, sorry, one of them is 24h only. let's fix that | 12:21 |
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| dm8tbr | http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_http_7days_2011-09-04T09.21.51.png http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_api_7days_2011-09-04T09.21.38.png | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | at this point i would ask if they could start graph incoming amount of requests on public api | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | as to help track down the issue | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps load avg | 12:24 |
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| dm8tbr | this is RE we're talking about | 12:25 |
| dm8tbr | snowball, hell, ... | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | still | 12:26 |
| dm8tbr | they haven't even confirmed that there is an issue. lest fixed the underlying problem for more than a month | 12:26 |
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| dm8tbr | adam tries to help from time to time, but seems he's bound by stuff we are not privy to know | 12:27 |
| * lbt points out the log around here to Ulf_ .... | 12:27 | |
| lbt | (who I think is on RE ?) | 12:27 |
| lbt | (and probably won't be around for many many hours) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it like labor day weekend? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | i think everyone is pretty much poof gone :) | 12:28 |
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| Stskeeps | in the US at least | 12:28 |
| lbt | well it' sure ain't "labour" day | 12:28 |
| lbt | since that implies work :) | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:29 |
| lbt | speaking of which ... bbl8r | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i have an experiment we should try out at some point | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: drag qt tarball over public api a couple of times and see if we get reproducable problems | 12:29 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ok, we could start by trying to whack cobs that way | 12:39 |
| dm8tbr | as that's easier to get fixed ;) | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:39 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt should be able to point out when IT is available and cobs usage low so we don't interfere too much if we succeed | 12:40 |
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| lbt | oh... that kind of snapshot ... yeah | 12:41 |
| lbt | FYI I'm around today (out 2-6pm uk time) and afk all mon/tue .... back late tue night | 12:41 |
| lbt | Then I am working on Mer for the rest of the week full time | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:42 |
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| lbt | and Stskeeps I'm going to allocate 50% of my sprint to Mer and propose we roll out the released elements of BOSS to CE | 12:43 |
| lbt | mmm | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:43 |
| lbt | to be available to CE | 12:43 |
| lbt | phaeron is still away which is a shame - he should be back during the week | 12:44 |
| * Stskeeps schemes out storage format for fakeobs | 12:44 | |
| lbt | can you send me a reminder on the fakeobs design | 12:45 |
| lbt | I keep feeling the need to debate it | 12:45 |
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| dm8tbr | OK, I'm gone for the rest of the day, visiting some friends at their mökki | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, this one is the one for making full-project dumps and trading it around with rsync, so you can run a fakeobs instance that exports the snapshot | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | ie, it acts like a OBS on the wire | 12:46 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: cheers ... l8r | 12:46 |
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| dm8tbr | tnx, l8r | 12:46 |
| lbt | what aspect of OBS does it provide? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | (for other obs instances) | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | it provides obs link, ie, public api | 12:47 |
| lbt | how does it differ to download on demand? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | provides sources | 12:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is mer going to include front end ux in its planning? | 12:47 |
| lcuk | i know you are focusing on the core elements | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: mer's a core, UX is up to more creative people | 12:48 |
| lcuk | i know it is, but will it be part of mer | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | i think in order not to confuse, they are technically seprate projects generateing requirements to core | 12:48 |
| lbt | *nod* | 12:48 |
| lcuk | so what do people get from mer? | 12:49 |
| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/meego-restructured.html <- lcuk | 12:49 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders some sort of icon for mer. A MerMaid? | 12:50 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt, it basically enables offline usage of entire core source tree + binaries if need be | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 12:50 |
| lbt | *nod* | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | lbt so IVI | 12:52 |
| ali1234 | lbt: did you see the email on meego-dev from the nigerian guy? | 12:52 |
| lcuk | meego -> mer -> ivi | 12:52 |
| lcuk | or meego -> ivi | 12:52 |
| lbt | ali1234: subject? | 12:52 |
| ali1234 | lbt: basically "please send me a dvd with everything i need to develop for meego" | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: IVI would take the core, dump UI and tools on top | 12:53 |
| ali1234 | hang on i have a link | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | and components | 12:53 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, which core? | 12:53 |
| lcuk | since mer is the topic | 12:53 |
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| lbt | ali1234: fair request given the bwidth over there | 12:53 |
| lcuk | meego core | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: Mer | 12:53 |
| lcuk | or mer core | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | that's gthe idea at lest | 12:53 |
| lcuk | so it is meego -> mer -> ivi | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | i don't understand your ->'s | 12:53 |
| ali1234 | lbt: subject was: [MeeGo-dev] a meego bootable cd/dvd | 12:53 |
| lcuk | mer is based on meego | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:54 |
| lcuk | the -> are upstreamyness | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | see it as layers instead - IVI project would build agaisnt a core | 12:54 |
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| lcuk | but there are 2 cores | 12:54 |
| lcuk | and would ivi still be a meego project | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | if it is based on mer | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, mer is a project to reignite/reconstruct meego, by making a different kind of core. like with meego, ux'es are put on top | 12:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, sure I know that | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, now i got sidetracked in my conversation with lbt :P | 12:57 |
| lbt | :) | 12:57 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, just trying to suss out where the work on these things will be | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, would it make sense to rsync around full history of core? | 12:58 |
| lbt | thinking what the goal is | 12:58 |
| lbt | I am deeply concerned about branching in OBS vs branching in git | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | goal is to allow people easily to track core, both in terms of ports and development | 12:59 |
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| lbt | *nod* | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | and well, if main obs goes down, technically anyone can resurrect using same data | 12:59 |
| lbt | so, in my mind what you want is a blend of several things | 13:00 |
| lbt | binaries for ease of build targetting | 13:00 |
| lbt | src for hacking and merging | 13:00 |
| lbt | now git is great at the latter .. | 13:00 |
| lbt | rsync at the former | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | i basically want what OBS serves over public API, in file form | 13:01 |
| lbt | yeah ... that's more pragmatic | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | (some server on top that can read the databases/metadata and provide interactive access, is ok) | 13:02 |
| lbt | it seems a lot of work... and I wonder why it's not just another OBS instance | 13:03 |
| lbt | use domining's snapshot (or similar) | 13:03 |
| lbt | and rsync that | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | it's not that much of work - for basic link functionality i have mostly static data and then ~160 lines of python | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | slightly more lightwight than a full obs instance | 13:04 |
| lbt | yeah - OK | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | lemme just sketch something | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org:8000/public/source/Trunk/ , check index.html (view source), _meta, _config, etc | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | that's the kind of stuff i want to pass around | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | a dump of what the 'main' OBS provides over obs link | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be basically the full gpl-compliant dump, ie, what you need to recreate the package | 13:09 |
| lbt | right | 13:10 |
| lbt | I thought you meant a subset of https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/ | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | just the public api one | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | which is fairly limited | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | so you can effectively osc co fakeobs:Trunk mypackage | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | for any revision | 13:12 |
| lbt | for any revision? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | yea, i mean, snapshot would come with package history | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | (or could) | 13:12 |
| lbt | mmm | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | you could make tools that only pull 'needed' binaries | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | er | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | needed source files | 13:13 |
| lbt | these are .gz tarballs.... history of them is not pretty | 13:13 |
| lbt | but yeah | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | too big snapshot you think? | 13:13 |
| lbt | see this is where I would love to see git and pristine-tar working together | 13:14 |
| lbt | but a snapshot including a tgz of every revision .. yeah .. too big | 13:14 |
| lbt | Now if your packages were in git... | 13:15 |
| lbt | and your rev had a sha1 | 13:15 |
| lbt | as provided by source service | 13:15 |
| lbt | and we used a git->tar service tlike pristine-tar | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | just for good measure, each package has a md5 so it wouldn't be .tar.gz times amount of commits | 13:15 |
| lbt | then it becomes 'trivial' :) | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | like OBS stores it itself | 13:16 |
| lbt | and you know OBS is headign that way | 13:16 |
| lbt | I need to dig into obs2.3 again | 13:16 |
| lbt | been too focused on other things | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:16 |
| lbt | OK - that's actually very elegant ... I like it | 13:17 |
| lbt | I think it would be great to do that for a 'release' or even a weekly snapshot | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm thinking a main structure with metadata and then a files/ dir that has <packagename>/<md5>-<filename> | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | so it's possible to first mirror the metadata, and then the files we're interested in | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, rsync takes a file list :P | 13:20 |
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| lbt | and regexps | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:20 |
| lbt | hmmm /pool is a good name | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | or to follow OBS convention, /trees | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | so on the main obs there would be a process that follows lastevents and keeps the 'snapshot' alive | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | caching binaries, etc | 13:22 |
| lbt | *nod | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | and then publishes it to mirrors | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | would even be useful on meego.com :P | 13:25 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lbt | 13:27 |
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| * lbt puts fakeobs on whiteboard | 13:29 | |
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| lbt | hey CosmoHill | 13:30 |
| CosmoHill | I put a XKCD comic about passwords on the university notice board :) | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | the other fakeobs concept i'm talking about is the one that with simple auth allows a user to check out and compile a package offline, as well as 'commit' - ie, send a package change into QA | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | this fakeobs could technically work on top of the snapshot, ie, multiple people providing that server in a pool | 13:31 |
| lbt | it feels a lot like something that would grow up to need a webui and eventually become OBS | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | possibly, but KISS | 13:32 |
| lbt | one big concern is that we are very time/resource limited | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | hence some of these solutions | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | easy contribution, distribution of work across different companies/servers, etc | 13:33 |
| lbt | yeah but if the real issue is "make the core OBS API more reliable" .... | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | also corporate view "what, we have to access a server on the net every time we build?: | 13:34 |
| lbt | oh, yeah ... hence DoD | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | DoD is still, only for binary packages, afaik | 13:34 |
| lbt | and this is where the 'correct' solution for source is git | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:34 |
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| lbt | obs clone Trunk | 13:35 |
| lbt | that's what you want? right ? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | sortof yeah | 13:35 |
| lbt | hence aiming to a 'proper' longer term source management solution | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | idea that just came to my head: instead of user login for fakeobs, gpg signing of commits | 13:36 |
| lbt | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-tag.html | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:37 |
| lbt | http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/GPG-signing-for-git-commit-td2582986.html | 13:37 |
| lbt | wow ... that was easy to find ... I knew I'd read about it a while back | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | can OBS drag full package info from a git backend? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | it, grab the package from git | 13:39 |
| lbt | that is the design direction | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 13:40 |
| lbt | it clones the tree and does git archive on a tag/commit | 13:40 |
| lbt | to make a transient tarball | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but we'd need spec and so on too | 13:40 |
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| lbt | working on that with Aard | 13:41 |
| lbt | git-buildpackage for rpm | 13:41 |
| lbt | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Concept_GitSupport_Full | 13:42 |
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| lbt | and other http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service git entries | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | mmm | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | .. but does this software exists that's described on it | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | ie, instead of BSDB, it's git backend | 13:45 |
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| lbt | no .. but if we're going to work towards a goal... go in the right direction | 13:46 |
| lbt | back in 5 ... coffee | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, heh | 13:51 |
| lcuk | is that from scratch? | 13:51 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 13:51 |
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| Myrtti | which solder did you use? | 13:53 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, which device is that for? | 13:53 |
| lcuk | lol Myrtti | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | stopped to watch the btcc | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: lead free of course | 13:53 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: well I've soldered my own Arduino clone so it's a valid question, who knows ;-) | 13:53 |
| Myrtti | well, technically it's not mine | 13:53 |
| Myrtti | but I soldered it | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: none, just building it cos I have a job interview at a place that uses embedded systems | 13:53 |
| Myrtti | that reminds me to open safari online, thanks CosmoHill | 13:54 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, arduinos are awesome | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | s/build/compiled | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | what did you build with yours (or duncans) | 13:54 |
| Myrtti | nothing yet, but probably a tweeting doorbell | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | what I'd like to do is finish the CLFS 1.2 and release it | 13:55 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, how are you finding it writing the sketches? | 13:55 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: well it would probably be easier if the board were a proper Arduino, then the instructions would work out of the box without the need to guess which pins work | 13:57 |
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| RST38h | Tweeting doorbell is two transistors and some extra junk =) | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, i know that feeling | 13:58 |
| RST38h | Unless you mean THE tweetering.com doorbell of course! | 13:58 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: are you enjoying taking the fun out from my tinkering? :-< | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: bs git backend would be great but it doesn't exist :/ it is probably a 'delivery 2.0' approach, but technically it can be handled with a fake obs approach as well (as described above) | 14:01 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Yeah, and I steal candy from kids too! =)~ | 14:02 |
| Myrtti | figured | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it doesn't directly state anything about having anything but OBS using the git though, ie, outsides | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | outsiders | 14:02 |
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| lbt | no... agreed | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | bsgit seems a bit interesting though, from a "off the street contribution" pov | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | but using the same set of tools, ie, osc, for both "newbie" and "professionals" may be better | 14:05 |
| lbt | *nod*... and in general having osc co do a git checkout also allows the same 'offline' commit | 14:06 |
| lbt | but ... waaaay in the future :) | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, management tooling is important | 14:08 |
| lcuk | is that the professionals banner | 14:08 |
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| lbt | bbl8r | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 14:09 |
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| CosmoHill | balls, grub doesn;t like my kernel format | 14:31 |
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| CosmoHill | more balls, I wasn't looking and it booted windows | 14:32 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: build finished. where do the rpms come out? | 15:09 |
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| ali1234 | nvm, it's on the wiki | 15:10 |
| GeCCe_- | Hi | 15:10 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: success, i got some rpms | 15:11 |
| ali1234 | now testing kernel... | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | looks like it all works... sweet | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | so apart from the meego-1.2.conf thing it works | 15:16 |
| ali1234 | and the missing files spam was just an annoyance | 15:16 |
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| ali1234 | so it doesn't look like the missing config is bugreported | 15:25 |
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| nasa01 | Anyone know what "The setup of repository is broken, build not possible" means relative to OBS? | 15:28 |
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| ali1234 | looks like build from 1.3 has meego-1.2.conf | 15:35 |
| ali1234 | oh, and meego-trunk.conf | 15:36 |
| ali1234 | so fixed in 1.3 i guess | 15:36 |
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| topro | hi, just realized: where have 1.2.90 pinetrail images gone? | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | broken images | 16:39 |
| topro | so tables has not been discarded *phew* | 16:40 |
| topro | just remembered of some rumors lately | 16:41 |
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| annma | I have one from 9 August and it's OK | 16:44 |
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| annma | a tablet ia32 one | 16:45 |
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| nasa01 | So, can one use OBS on the weekends? It seems to have a history of breaking during them... | 17:05 |
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| arfoll | nasa01: RE are trying to make sure you have a nice weekend. | 17:09 |
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| nasa01 | lol | 17:11 |
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| vik123 | Hi All, I have a problem with printing using CUPS... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4443 Can anybody help? Thanks | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | so how would a meego product actually look | 18:58 |
| lcuk | since Stskeeps is working on the core aspects which aren't a product | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | without something to actually make use of all these elements | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | where would the actual backing come from? would the product aim to be released from various vendors | 18:59 |
| lcuk | or would it not be feasible to make an actual product | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: core + hw adaptation + ui | 19:01 |
| lcuk | scope, I thought you weren't doing any ui? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | you asked how a meego product looked | 19:02 |
| lcuk | ahh yes | 19:02 |
| lcuk | i thought you were saying where your expertise would be | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | since you do core+ adaption now | 19:02 |
| Venemo | lcuk, "the grand plan" is that Intel (with the help of Stskeeps) does the core part of MeeGo and some reference UXes | 19:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I have a load of pages of notes about a professional grade meego product | 19:03 |
| lcuk | Venemo, screw reference ux | 19:03 |
| lcuk | i want a product | 19:03 |
| lcuk | if others want to use it beyond the initial then great | 19:03 |
| lcuk | but if a job is worth doing | 19:03 |
| Venemo | lcuk, so that when a manufacturer chooses to use MeeGo, they must make their own "hardware adaptation" (drivers), and they have the option to make their own UX or reuse pieces of one of the "reference" UXes. | 19:03 |
| lcuk | Venemo, are google apps called "reference" | 19:04 |
| lcuk | or are they the defacto ones | 19:04 |
| Venemo | lcuk, not sure what you mean by google apps | 19:04 |
| lcuk | on android | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: heh, you can only use those if you pass android compliance | 19:05 |
| Venemo | ah. | 19:05 |
| lcuk | maps for instance | 19:05 |
| lcuk | is not a reference baseline app | 19:05 |
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| Venemo | not sure what they are called, but there are some "apps" that google just forces on their cusomers | 19:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I know | 19:05 |
| lcuk | Venemo, I don't want to make a reference | 19:05 |
| lcuk | i want to make the real thing | 19:05 |
| Venemo | lcuk, then go and make it | 19:05 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I will definitely not stop you from doing so! | 19:05 |
| lcuk | Venemo, is the meego harmattan ux considered reference? | 19:07 |
| lcuk | or is that a product | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | no, as it's not free | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | reference = something you can reuse | 19:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i am sure with enough money anything is reusable | 19:07 |
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| digitalmonkey | TOPIC | 19:08 |
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| digitalmonkey | TOPIC gpsfake on meego | 19:08 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, just starting the conversation | 19:08 |
| lcuk | because making a product is going to be important | 19:09 |
| Venemo | lcuk, yeah, Harmattan UX is a product | 19:09 |
| Venemo | lcuk, MeeGo Handset UX is a reference UX. | 19:09 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, so how do we get vendors onboard to actually create a product | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | we make them able to easily make it so | 19:11 |
| lcuk | we have a range of devices in various stages | 19:11 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | A) Hand them ten million dollars. | 19:11 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, we want a product | 19:12 |
| lcuk | just throwing money without a plan won't help | 19:12 |
| lcuk | long term anyway | 19:12 |
| Venemo | lcuk, the idea is to make their work (eg. creating one's own UX) and easy enoughjob | 19:12 |
| Venemo | and show them that if they use MeeGo, the customers will buy their products. | 19:13 |
| lcuk | Venemo, there is another way | 19:13 |
| Venemo | and this latter area is what's lacking. | 19:13 |
| lcuk | there are whole teams of meego people | 19:13 |
| lcuk | who could work together with direction | 19:13 |
| lcuk | to make a proper meego product to be proud of | 19:13 |
| Venemo | of course, the community could work together to create a MeeGo product | 19:13 |
| Venemo | see eg. smoku's efforts on the Cordia Tab | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Hijacking commercial hardware that is open-by-design may be interesting. | 19:13 |
| lcuk | Venemo, what if it wasn't community based? | 19:14 |
| Venemo | lcuk, well, that would be the ideal! | 19:14 |
| digitalmonkey | On the automobile side, there are industry groups who embraced Meego as their development platform. GENIVI | 19:14 |
| lcuk | Venemo, but involved all the companies who came together initially | 19:15 |
| lcuk | afterall: work would be wanted completing on time! | 19:15 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I'm not sure how you or me could achieve that. | 19:15 |
| lcuk | and community you can ask and put up stuff | 19:15 |
| lcuk | but not quite the same as a work thing | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | make some friends in china | 19:15 |
| lcuk | Venemo, that is what I am trying to find out | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | have them design a cheapola phone for you | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i have product idea | 19:16 |
| lcuk | i need help in making it a real proposal | 19:16 |
| arfoll | digitalmonkey: no, meego simply is one of the GENIVI dev platforms. right alongside an Intel alternative from windriver.... | 19:16 |
| lcuk | then need work to make it into a product | 19:16 |
| lcuk | and that involves business | 19:16 |
| lcuk | and something I have never seen around are example collaborative business plans etc | 19:16 |
| lcuk | infact I have never seen a proper filled out business plan | 19:17 |
| lcuk | but that is beside the point | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | that's because collaborative business plans are dumb and never work | 19:17 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i have a whole set of things and keypoints required for making a roadmap | 19:17 |
| Venemo | lcuk, elaborate your product idea please :) | 19:17 |
| lcuk | Venemo, why? I have been talking about it for years in different respects | 19:18 |
| lcuk | but I have never done anything about it professionally | 19:18 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: you are in the perfect position then to see meego from the POV of a vendor and tell us what we need to do to make your job easier | 19:18 |
| lcuk | ali1234, indeed | 19:18 |
| digitalmonkey | arfoll: Thanks for clarification. | 19:18 |
| Venemo | lcuk, are you talking about the Liq home UX you talked about yesterday? | 19:18 |
| lcuk | Venemo, partly yes | 19:19 |
| Venemo | lcuk, what would be the other part? | 19:19 |
| lcuk | well to make a complete product requires deeper integration and component building | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | indeed. | 19:20 |
| lcuk | Venemo, there are things which are not yet in liqbase | 19:20 |
| lcuk | but only written in notes | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | notes in liqbase? | 19:20 |
| lcuk | because I am not skilled enough to code them | 19:20 |
| lcuk | ali1234, liqbwas was written to make notes | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | i know, i was making a joke | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | i'll get my coat | 19:21 |
| lcuk | the last note actually says "need bigger paper" | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | i think you just write too big | 19:21 |
| lcuk | because I was lay in the countryside on the side of a hill writing | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | i've seen some of the screenshots, it's like one word per note | 19:21 |
| lcuk | ali1234, was using my n900 | 19:21 |
| lcuk | ali1234, visible from orbit, when I write technical and detailed it is smaller :) | 19:22 |
| lcuk | but often only one or two words are required to remind me | 19:22 |
| lcuk | anyway, i will need to somehow try to write a real product spec from these notes | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean by product? | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | hardware? | 19:23 |
| lcuk | and business plan | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | both of those things are outside the scope of meego imo | 19:23 |
| lcuk | ali1234, a product is a combination of components, hardware and software | 19:23 |
| lcuk | ali1234, without a product there is no meego | 19:23 |
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| ali1234 | meego is not about building products | 19:23 |
| lcuk | *blink* | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | then what is it? | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | this has been repeated ad nausium | 19:24 |
| lcuk | and once more | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | meego is a base system from which hardware vendors such as yourself can build a product | 19:24 |
| lcuk | so if no vendors are using it to make products | 19:24 |
| lcuk | what is its use? | 19:25 |
| ali1234 | then meego fails | 19:25 |
| ali1234 | it's use is precisely nothing | 19:25 |
| lcuk | then how do I make these notes into a proper spec and product proposal | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | you'd have to ask a business advisor about that one | 19:26 |
| lcuk | right | 19:26 |
| Venemo | what the...? someone at asus has read my wish list? http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Slider_SL101/ | 19:26 |
| Venemo | they only missed on item on my wish list, that is MeeGo :P | 19:27 |
| Venemo | s/on/one | 19:27 |
| arfoll | lol how to not upset intel by making an arm powered netbook... | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | keyboard looks horrible, seriously | 19:29 |
| lcuk | arfoll, a product would include large form factor devices too! | 19:29 |
| * lcuk has intel 20" device waiting for meego | 19:29 | |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 19:30 |
| arfoll | lcuk: i was talking about the eepad slider | 19:30 |
| lcuk | afk anyway | 19:30 |
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| ali1234 | anyway, you should not buy arm stuff until the SoC vendors get their act together and sort out some kind of sensible device framework | 19:31 |
| Venemo | ali1234, what do you mean by that? | 19:31 |
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| ali1234 | see linus comments on lkml and other places | 19:31 |
| arfoll | soc vendors & sensible... might be a while ;-) | 19:31 |
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| Venemo | well, there is a MeeGo adaptation for Tegra 2 afaict | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | i don't want to use words like "bios" and "upnp" because everyone hates that stuff | 19:33 |
| Venemo | the bigger problem is that this gadget costs a hell a lot of money. | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | but even the win95 implementation of upnp is literally 20 years ahead of what arm has today, which is nothing | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | i don't mean upnp do it? | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | i mean PnP | 19:34 |
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| ali1234 | even if there was one standard per vendor it would be a big improvement | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | but there isn't even that | 19:36 |
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| Venemo | mhm | 19:36 |
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| Venemo | a pity that this stuff isn't an Atom | 19:37 |
| Venemo | but the form factor is exactly what I would prefer. | 19:37 |
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| Venemo | HMM, rumour has it that the machine will be produced with an Atom too! HA! | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, which navigation tool/package would a reference meego ux use? and where would a company shop for alternatives? | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | not sure | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | there are some community navigation tools, but not one developed by intel or nokia (nokia developed a properitary one, but not a reference one obviously) | 20:16 |
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| timoph | lcuk: is maemo mapper (can't remember what it was renamed to) still alive? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | timoph, not sure | 20:41 |
| lcuk | that would be something for the CE to investigate | 20:42 |
| timoph | yep | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | mappero | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for cloudgps instead though | 20:42 |
| lcuk | :D Damian is awesome | 20:42 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, not sure how well it works on n900-ce and n950-ce yet? | 20:43 |
| lcuk | afaik it had maemoisms - I think he might have n950 harmattan build | 20:43 |
| * lcuk cannot recall | 20:43 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, it is ok for community build, but how do we advance it upto professional product grade? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 20:45 |
| lcuk | I think I know and all relates to the earlier talk of seeing business advisor | 20:45 |
| lcuk | Luke starts college tomorrow | 20:46 |
| lcuk | a whole new set of challenges for him :) | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | there's a place and a time for everything - and that's college | 20:46 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: good luck to him | 20:48 |
| CosmoHill | my cousin starts her work exp on tuesday | 20:48 |
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| mingwandroid | X-Fade: Hi, can I pm you? | 20:58 |
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| CosmoHill | mingwandroid: is it about the community OBS? | 21:03 |
| mingwandroid | CosmoHill: yes. | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | you might see if lbt is around as he can also help | 21:03 |
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| mingwandroid | lbt: ping | 21:05 |
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| * CosmoHill wonders about learning a new programming language | 21:07 | |
| timoph | cobol? | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, learn c | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | properly | 21:08 |
| timoph | c is a good choice | 21:08 |
| CosmoHill | I already know C / C++ | 21:08 |
| berndhs_meego | He said _new_ | 21:08 |
| CosmoHill | you mean improve it | 21:08 |
| berndhs_meego | € is older than cosmo | 21:09 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, which c code have you done? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | hi berndhs_meego \o | 21:09 |
| timoph | try the new c++ standard | 21:09 |
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| timoph | it has some nice features in it | 21:09 |
| timoph | like the auto keyword | 21:09 |
| berndhs_meego | Yes should make more readable code | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I've not done any real world programming but for uni I've used it for parralel computing and datasctruces and algorithms | 21:10 |
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| thiago | C++11 is only 1400 pages long | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | reading it would probably be faster than trying to get a compiler that supports it on my aging mac | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | ageing* | 21:11 |
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| timoph | :) | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | I've been looking at squirrel, F# and miniD / any on wikipedia | 21:11 |
| thiago | no compiler exists that supports it entirely | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | that kinda backs up my point | 21:12 |
| thiago | heck, we've only just got compilers that support C++98/03 entirely | 21:12 |
| thiago | and only the modern ones support TR1 | 21:12 |
| berndhs_meego | Im just wating for 0 to be != nullptr :) | 21:13 |
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| timoph | that is a good change | 21:14 |
| berndhs_meego | Wont happn for a long time, the effect would be spectacular | 21:15 |
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| thiago | 0 will be convertible to all pointers in C++11 | 21:17 |
| thiago | the difference is that nullptr cannot be converted to integers | 21:17 |
| berndhs_meego | Right | 21:17 |
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| CosmoHill | currently I'm just looking at programming languages with cool names :/ | 21:18 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, heh | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/FalconplLogo.png I mean just check that their logo | 21:19 |
| timoph | :) | 21:20 |
| lcuk | what are ICS using meego for? | 21:21 |
| berndhs_meego | Whats ics? | 21:25 |
| thiago | a company | 21:26 |
| berndhs_meego | Ah | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | not that IT training company? | 21:26 |
| thiago | ICS does trainings yes | 21:27 |
| arfoll | they do purple tshirts | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | thiago, do you know of any qt apis for character recognition? | 21:38 |
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| * lcuk is going to get Tracy to transcribe his notes in shorttime | 21:38 | |
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| * CosmoHill gets confused by the lack of termination in falcon | 21:42 | |
| CosmoHill | whenever I'm helping people program in C / C++ I always remind them to finish their lines with a semi | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: translate them into what? | 21:43 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, text, I normally don't mind but I have to use them as a basis for a spec | 21:44 |
| * lcuk reads handwriting everyday | 21:44 | |
| lbt | mingwandroid: pong | 21:44 |
| lcuk | synchronisation worked a treat. as I was writing them on the hilltop they were arriving on my wallmount and were there when I got back | 21:45 |
| * lcuk impressed by that | 21:45 | |
| lcuk | ball it needs is a nice new message notification :) | 21:46 |
| mingwandroid | lbt: hey | 21:48 |
| lbt | hi | 21:48 |
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| mingwandroid | I've been talking to vgrade and have decided to throw my hat into the ring on a bit of MeeGo on Advent Vega work. | 21:54 |
| mingwandroid | He mentioned the Community OBS and I'd like to get an account setup if possible? | 21:55 |
| thiago | lcuk: for OCR? No, sorry. | 21:56 |
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| lbt | mingwandroid: sure.... | 22:02 |
| lbt | so it sounds like it's all open source - I need your meego.com account | 22:03 |
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| lbt | ok higlight me when you're back | 22:06 |
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| mingwandroid | lbt: sorry, doing too many things at once. my meego (and real) name is raydonnelly | 22:09 |
| lbt | done | 22:09 |
| lbt | have fun :) | 22:09 |
| mingwandroid | thanks, MeeGo's a whole new world to look into ;-) | 22:10 |
| lbt | oh yeah | 22:10 |
| mingwandroid | I've been doing android before. Can I ask some questions about community OBS (and can I abbreviate it to COBS ;-)) | 22:11 |
| lbt | I do | 22:11 |
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| mingwandroid | can I get the COBS to point at and build from git repos on different servers? Or does it provide user git repos? | 22:27 |
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| lbt | mingwandroid: at the moment c.obs uses tarballs, not git repos | 23:00 |
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| lbt | we have a mechanism to link to git repos | 23:00 |
| lbt | it's not deployed yet | 23:00 |
| lbt | our Release Engineering team are ..... traditional :) Apparently if quilt and patches were good enough for their grandads then by god they're good enough for you! | 23:01 |
| lcuk | lbt, uphill both ways at weekends too! | 23:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | lbt: rcs? | 23:03 |
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| lbt | SpeedEvil: nah, I think they use sccs to store versions of the gzipped tarballs | 23:04 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 23:12 |
| Umeaboy | Now that I've rooted my SGS 2 is it possible to dual-boot Megoo on it? | 23:12 |
| Umeaboy | Samsung Galaxy S2. | 23:13 |
| Umeaboy | The bootloader IS open. | 23:13 |
| Umeaboy | I've flashed ClockworkMod Xrecovery on it. | 23:13 |
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| thiago | yes, if you do the effort of making it work | 23:16 |
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| * CosmoHill is getting on well with falcon | 23:18 | |
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| javispedro | there seems to be kinda connectivity problems with maemo.org frm the COBS | 23:25 |
| javispedro | slow downloads, half of the time it just doesn't work, the other half it prints out stuff like "connect to api.obs.maemo.org: No route to host" | 23:25 |
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| Umeaboy | thiago: OK. How does one start? | 23:34 |
| Umeaboy | I have done backup. | 23:34 |
| Umeaboy | At least I think I have. | 23:35 |
| dm8tbr | a) learn coding | 23:35 |
| dm8tbr | b) learn about the hardware | 23:35 |
| thiago | Umeaboy: first step is to figure out what bootloader there is on the device | 23:35 |
| thiago | then figure out how to make it boot something else | 23:35 |
| Umeaboy | a): What's the easiest way finding out? | 23:35 |
| thiago | can it boot from an SD card? That's the easiest way. | 23:35 |
| Umeaboy | Ooooops. | 23:35 |
| thiago | dd the meego image to an SD card and boot. | 23:35 |
| Umeaboy | thiago: What's....... | 23:35 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 23:36 |
| thiago | if it can't, then repartition the device and install meego | 23:36 |
| Umeaboy | The Handset-image, right? | 23:36 |
| dm8tbr | that presumes that there is a working hw adaptation for that phone | 23:36 |
| Umeaboy | Which .img? There are several. | 23:36 |
| thiago | the one that works for your device | 23:36 |
| thiago | if none works, you'll need to use the MeeGo Image Creator to create it. | 23:37 |
| Umeaboy | It says Nokia on the wiki........ | 23:37 |
| thiago | there's no wiki for your device | 23:37 |
| thiago | you need to figure out on your own | 23:37 |
| Umeaboy | Maybe I'm blind. | 23:37 |
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| thiago | try a MeeGo Core image. Just boot to X. | 23:38 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 23:39 |
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| Umeaboy | Where do I download the MeeGo Image Creator ? | 23:40 |
| berndhs | Umeaboy: there are repos, for example here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/ | 23:41 |
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| Umeaboy | I think my phone has armv71 | 23:43 |
| Umeaboy | So it seems to have support. | 23:43 |
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| Umeaboy | Can I test-boot it without doing any actual harm to the phone? | 23:44 |
| Umeaboy | There's no physical SD-card in it. | 23:44 |
| thiago | can the bootloader boot from a partition? | 23:45 |
| Umeaboy | Dunno. | 23:45 |
| dijital1 | which wifi chipset is used in the N950? | 23:50 |
| dm8tbr | wilink6 | 23:51 |
| dm8tbr | or is it even wilink7? | 23:52 |
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