| Venemo_N950 | about X101: well, it they'll sell it with bigger battery and it will be able to compile with adequate speed, I might just buy one just to bring with me to school | 00:00 |
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| Venemo_N950 | acer iconia also seems to be nice | 00:02 |
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| Venemo_N950 | anyway, good evening | 00:04 |
| * pixelgeek1 nods | 00:04 | |
| pixelgeek1 | good evening | 00:04 |
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| * CosmoHill tries to find out if you can install one Nvidia and one AMD graphics card in a computer but yahoo only shows that idiots think | 01:44 | |
| CosmoHill | nobody has set me on fire or told me that I can't run SLI / Crossfire on different cards so it's going well | 01:47 |
| * CosmoHill forgot that ehow is written for retards with one hand tied behind there back and lemon juice in their eyes | 01:51 | |
| berndhs | so you expect this to work ? | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | why not? | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | I'm assuming the OS is smart enough not to run the AMD with Nvidia drivers and the Nvidia with the USB drivers | 01:53 |
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| berndhs | you also assume the 2 cards dont step on each other | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | I used to have a Nvidia and Matrox graphics card and that worked fine until suddenly it didn't | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: give me a small c++ challage / task | 01:58 |
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| berndhs | cant think of a small one :) | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | how about part of a larger one? | 02:00 |
| berndhs | hmm | 02:00 |
| berndhs | i can't think, period | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | it's midnight and 28C, I can't do better | 02:02 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: print all the dates that exist in a year, say this year and last year | 02:11 |
| berndhs | in any language | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: almost done, some dates repeat | 02:26 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?w | 02:28 |
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| berndhs | date() says nothing if the date doesn't exist ? didn't know that | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | mktime on the other hand will make an assumeion | 02:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone know if it's possible to have two xterms at once (or any two programs at once) displaying on the tablet GUI? | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | like the 31st is actually the 1st | 02:32 |
| berndhs | Alison_Chaiken: I tried, it doesn't want to do it | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | Alison_Chaiken: type "xterm &" in the first xterm | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | or am I not on the same page as you? | 02:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | "xterm -geometry" doesn't seem to work. | 02:33 |
| berndhs | i think "display" is the operative term, not "run" | 02:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | CosmoHill, both my apps want an xterm, not the console, so I can't just chvt. | 02:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Correct, berndhs. | 02:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'd like to see output from qmlviewer invocation and nobdy at the same time, and both fail if they aren't run in xterm . . . Hmm, maybe nobdy can run headless. | 02:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | berndhs, have you figured out how to take a screenshot on tablet, without using camera? | 02:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | There's the hoary 'cp /dev/fb0' hack, but I was hoping for something better. | 02:36 |
| berndhs | no haven't tried that | 02:36 |
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| sergiusens | Alison_Chaiken: xwd -root > capt.xwd | 02:38 |
| sergiusens | then convert with ImageMagik | 02:38 |
| CosmoHill | rawr | 02:38 |
| CosmoHill | Glib requires pkg-config which requires Glib | 02:39 |
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| * CosmoHill has a £1900 laptop and he's using full screen vim, woooo | 02:42 | |
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| CosmoHill | anyone here familiar with the glib package? | 02:49 |
| ali1234 | why are you trying to build glib? | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | I'm trying to list the dependancy information for glib | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | It's missing from this page: http://cross-lfs.org/view/svn/x86/appendixc/dependencies.html | 02:50 |
| thiago | glib is an indirect dependency of glib :-) | 02:50 |
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| CosmoHill | it is but I'm not putting that cos people will email in assuming it's a mistake | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | nothing should really require pkg-config | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | it's just a helper | 02:52 |
| CosmoHill | get's worse | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | you might have to specify some paths manually or something but that is about all it does afaik | 02:52 |
| CosmoHill | pkg-config requires pkg-config to find glib | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | that's what it does | 02:52 |
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| ali1234 | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.package-management.pkg-config/620 | 02:53 |
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| * CosmoHill adds bash, binutils and coreutils to the list too | 02:55 | |
| CosmoHill | I'm looking through config.log to see what glib wants and it's starting to look like a standard ./configure script | 02:56 |
| CosmoHill | grep, perl, python, no idea why theses are being checked | 02:56 |
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| CosmoHill | s/grep, // | 02:57 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: perl, python, no idea why theses are being checked | 02:57 |
| ali1234 | is it autotools? | 02:57 |
| ali1234 | because nobody understands that | 02:57 |
| CosmoHill | I think it's making shit up now | 02:57 |
| thiago | bootstrapping an architecture requires building a couple of packages twice | 02:57 |
| CosmoHill | it's checking for python and I know it doesn't use python | 02:57 |
| thiago | gcc is another example | 02:57 |
| thiago | you can't build g++ until you have glibc and the kernel headers | 02:58 |
| thiago | but you need gcc to compile them | 02:58 |
| thiago | and if you don't have gcc in the first place, gcc will build itself one time more | 02:58 |
| thiago | first it builds a minimal C compiler that can compile itself, then it builds an optimising compiler, and then it uses that optimising compiler to compile the final gcc | 03:01 |
| * CosmoHill feels that he should point out that he knows this | 03:01 | |
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| ali1234 | so if you don't have gcc at all, what compilers can you use? | 03:01 |
| thiago | a regular C compiler from your Unix vendor | 03:02 |
| ali1234 | "minimal C compiler" = compilable by any standard C compiler? | 03:02 |
| thiago | yes | 03:02 |
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| thiago | so the order is: gcc, gcc, gcc, kernel, glibc, gcc, some other base libraries like libz, glib, pkg-config, glib | 03:03 |
| thiago | no wonder Yocto has a market | 03:03 |
| CosmoHill | you guys can see what I've been doing in a few mins | 03:04 |
| berndhs | no wonder Yocto needs 100 MB to build a systen that runs in 256K :) | 03:04 |
| ali1234 | is yocto like buildroot except with a friendly corporate image? | 03:04 |
| thiago | in qt2 times, there was also a cyclic dependency between qt2 and kdelibs | 03:04 |
| CosmoHill | GCC needs 2.5GB of free space to compile | 03:05 |
| * thiago forgot binutils in the process | 03:05 | |
| berndhs | actually i said taht wrong, Yocto doesn't need 100MB. it needs 100GB. | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | i think that might be a bit of an exaggeration | 03:07 |
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| berndhs | berndhs: no I tried it | 03:07 |
| berndhs | ali1234: i tried it | 03:08 |
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| CosmoHill | wtf | 03:10 |
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| * CosmoHill types "git push" >.> | 03:12 | |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/clfs-1.2-git/x86/appendixc/dependencies.html | 03:16 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks for helping guys :) | 03:17 |
| * CosmoHill finds this ticket (http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ticket/220) >.< | 03:21 | |
| CosmoHill | I'm going to bed, ctas | 03:21 |
| CosmoHill | cyas* | 03:21 |
| berndhs | night Cosmo | 03:22 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | thiago, might you be interested in giving an invited talk at OSCON 2012 on Qt5 release? I'm on Program Committee. | 03:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thihttp://elinux.org/Proposed_OSCON_2012_Embedded_Linux_trackago, | 03:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Oops, try again: thiago, http://elinux.org/Proposed_OSCON_2012_Embedded_Linux_track | 03:35 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Intel-rejects-reports-it-is-backing-off-MeeGo-1335809.html | 08:21 |
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| beford | now that's good | 08:24 |
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| Venemo_N950 | morning | 08:48 |
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| Sage | Alison_Chaiken: hi. Are you building MeeGo 1.3 IVI images somewhere weekly/daily? | 09:15 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Sage, I haven't been building 1.3 at all. Today I spent getting nobdy working with qmlviewer graphics on ExoPC. | 09:16 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I used Tablet Preview, and hope to move on to using IVI 1.2 (which I have set up dual-boot). | 09:17 |
| Sage | Alison_Chaiken: ah, well. I asked because you thanked about me fixing that one bug :) | 09:17 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I've tried a variety of things, but, ahem, I'm giving a presentation on Tuesday and need to have something to show in a GUI by then. | 09:18 |
| Alison_Chaiken | While I know everyone loves command-line demos, maybe ordinary humans may prefer the GUI. | 09:18 |
| Alison_Chaiken | After the presentation, I can return to pounding my head against 1.3, especially since I've hurt my leg and had to cancel all cycling events! | 09:19 |
| Sage | Alison_Chaiken: sry to hear that. I hope it is not anything serious. | 09:21 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Sage, as you get older, it's all serious. But the less time for working out, the more time for hacking! Prolly a good idea not to ride 130-km event on Sunday and work on demo instead . . . | 09:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | Alison_Chaiken, what demo will that be? | 09:24 |
| Alison_Chaiken | First I'll make nobdy run with some soft gauges using OBD2 protocol in my car. nobdy already shows real-time actual data and talks to D-bus, thanks to awesome tripzero. | 09:25 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | With some effort, I have it running on ExoPC. I have complete notes that I will post on wiki, where I already have an ExoPC-IVI page. | 09:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | what is nobdy? | 09:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Venemo_N950, http://wiki.openice.org/index.php?title=Nobdy&oldid=4637 | 09:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Note openice wiki currently displays spam, so you have to look at the historic version. | 09:28 |
| * Stskeeps awakens | 09:28 | |
| Sage | morning Stskeeps | 09:29 |
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| archl_healer | hi, I wanted to know, is there a graphic processor that handle OpenGL available on Arm architecture ? | 09:30 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey Stskeeps | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | archl_healer: i've only seen GL ES | 09:30 |
| archl_healer | Stskeeps: so why debian port so many appliactions with OpenGL to armel? | 09:31 |
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| Sage | software rendering? | 09:31 |
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| Venemo_N950 | haha | 09:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | archl_healer, you got errors from OpenGLES that unsupported OpenGL instructions were required? Did you look at glxinfo (IIRC) to see what's missing? | 09:32 |
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| archl_healer | Alison_Chaiken: no, I just ask. | 09:33 |
| archl_healer | Alison_Chaiken: Im not a developer, | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | archl_healer: because it will build and haven't adjusted it from GL usage to GL ES on arm | 09:33 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Maybe, archl_healer, qemu/kvm will be your best solution if you really need OpenGL. That way maybe you could use OpenGLES HW acceleration and emulate other ones . . . pure speculation on my part. Don't know if kvm will do that. | 09:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I've used qemu-gl with MeeGo inside before. | 09:34 |
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| archl_healer | don't know... if there is a lib between gl >gl es.. Still why there are 2 standards.. | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | archl_healer: well, GL ES is easier to implement in embedded hw i guess - in meego we have gl es as standard | 09:43 |
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| archl_healer | Stskeeps: :) sorry for silly questioning here. This shall bring to #opengl. | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's okay, it's good to rehash it once in a while :P | 09:45 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | archl_healer, OpenGLES is a subset of OpenGL for embedded: kind of a lightweight distro, like MeeGo. | 09:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Meanwhile, I read somewhere that OpenGL is rife with controversy and may fork. | 09:51 |
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| ShadowJK | meego lightweight? :) | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: compared to debian | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | or ubuntu | 09:52 |
| dm8tbr | hmmm so the OBS problems are not sooo visible anymore, but something is still there | 09:52 |
| archl_healer | Alison_Chaiken: ok, as it is, there shall be easier way to convert code from opengl>opengl es ... | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: that might just be obs misbehaviour, i've seen really disturbing behaviour under load myself | 09:52 |
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| ShadowJK | maybe compared to kde or gnome, but we're comparing elephants and wooly mammoths.. | 09:52 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: yes, entirely possible | 09:53 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | MeeGo: heavy compared to Arch, light compared to Sabayon! | 09:55 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_api_24h_2011-09-03T06.53.05.png | 09:56 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: as we don't know what exactly RE is doing during that time it's impossible to speculate why it goes down and why for 1.5h | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i imagine a world where we don't need obs links, just rsync things :P | 10:08 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: and a world where bootstrapping a new arch is not a crapload of manual work | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: :nod: | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i'm bootstrapping armv6l right now, i have to edit two lines in a prjconf, wait for it to fail, edit one more line | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | that's about it | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org:2080/project/prjconf?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase%3Aarmv6l | 10:16 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: so you're bootstrapping by gradually evolving from armv7l? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | stems, as i call them | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | can make non-ssse3 builds similar way | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | can always build up and build down | 10:18 |
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| dm8tbr | yes, that's what I suspected all the way | 10:18 |
| CosmoHill | morning | 10:19 |
| dm8tbr | harder if you'd want to e.g. swap out the complete toolchain I guess | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | harder if you want to do it completely from scratch, then you have to bootstrap the109 | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | the 109 | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | like for MIPS, SH4 or whatever | 10:20 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, one major issue with these adaptions is the 3d hardare | 10:28 |
| lcuk | the desire to get an optimal frontend which does not require it yet still allows deeper apps to work via software rendering is something I consider often | 10:30 |
| lcuk | give a great ux from day1 on any hardware | 10:30 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: but what if for some weird reason I want to switch from gcc to codesourcery-gcc or sthg like that or llvm? is there a path where I'd compile the toolchain with the existing obs and then start using it to rebuild packages with it? | 10:42 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: each project is a linked project so you can technically switch toolchains but they should ideally be source based and not binary | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: due to the way we make cross toolchains | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | ideally everyone should use same toolchain (linaro works on x86 too) to get similar errors | 10:43 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, just playing a bit with theory here | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:44 |
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| Stskeeps | but yeah, it's fairly easy to do full rebuilds | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | and let's say, try a build for thumb2 only | 10:47 |
| dm8tbr | nice to see that confirmed, as I said for me it so far was just 'this feeling' | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i want a good qt stack that i can put on all the devices i have at home with ease :P | 10:50 |
| dm8tbr | btw: we talked to some tut.fi people and if we come up with some research background, then we get to tap into their huge horse-power | 10:50 |
| dm8tbr | Will your wife allow that with the kitchen clock? ;) | 10:50 |
| CosmoHill | you could make her a pong clock | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | i swear, my motivation is driven by procastination - supposed to make a kitchen interface, i end up doing a minimal stack instead.. | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | (to support that interface) | 10:51 |
| dm8tbr | hehe | 10:52 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i started from the other end | 10:52 |
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| dm8tbr | I should consider doing a kitchen thingy with one of our exopcs too | 10:52 |
| lcuk | and have device happily working in the kitchen | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: easy prototyping of pervasive computing concepts | 10:55 |
| dm8tbr | I could hind it behind a mirror ;) | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ideally i'd do so it's possible to have multiple OBS'es sharing the load, for example, doing QA rounds - ie, testing if a package breaks another ,etc | 11:01 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: the jogler? | 11:01 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, my ideapad with meego netbook + liqbase | 11:02 |
| lcuk | family keeps upto date with it | 11:02 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: what kinds of devices are you talking about? | 11:02 |
| lcuk | and we use it for various other things | 11:02 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, but should work just as happily on joggler | 11:03 |
| lcuk | but for the drivers and OS level faff required in actually getting it working | 11:03 |
| CosmoHill | out of interest is there a list of devices that developers have? | 11:03 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, have and would want meego working on them is more important | 11:04 |
| * lcuk is happy still with n810 as deskstand unit | 11:04 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: few n8x0s, gma500 joggler, exopc, n900/n950, lenovo, s10-3t, omapzoom2 etc | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | .. non-ssse3 media center | 11:05 |
| CosmoHill | should I make a list of these devices on the wiki for others to see? | 11:05 |
| lcuk | yes | 11:05 |
| * CosmoHill goes to list | 11:05 | |
| CosmoHill | "Developer Devices" a good name for a page? | 11:06 |
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| lcuk | i have n810, n900, n950, ideapad, joggler, PB onetwo - touch devices at least | 11:06 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, different people have at various times put effort into other devices, beagleboard, pandaboard, some android things, trimslice nook colour etc | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes, and nook color too :P | 11:07 |
| CosmoHill | PB onetwo? | 11:07 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, packard bell onetwo, 20" intel based allinone home unit | 11:08 |
| CosmoHill | manufactorer | model | type (netbook, touch, type etc) | comments? | 11:08 |
| lcuk | drivers column | 11:08 |
| CosmoHill | before comments | 11:08 |
| lcuk | yeah | 11:09 |
| CosmoHill | would we want to list owner cos I feel that the owner would be bugged by people | 11:09 |
| lcuk | chipset too | 11:09 |
| lcuk | intel arm nvidia amd etc | 11:09 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, not yet we can add later | 11:10 |
| CosmoHill | "This page contains a list of the various devices owned by developers"/ | 11:10 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you like cars: http://www.beautifullife.info/automotive-design/ferrari-612-gto-concept/ | 11:11 |
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| CosmoHill | wow | 11:12 |
| CosmoHill | my mind is blown | 11:12 |
| CosmoHill | and my hamster is annoying me, brb | 11:12 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, if sgx binaries are not available | 11:12 |
| lcuk | what options for graphics are there | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: llvmpipe? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: SGX binaries are typically available for softfp | 11:12 |
| lcuk | i mean for like the joggler | 11:13 |
| lcuk | that has gma500 | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | they are available, emgd-bin | 11:13 |
| lcuk | but without the emgd how can you render to the screen | 11:13 |
| lcuk | is there a default 2d driver | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | framebuffer? vesa? :P | 11:13 |
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| dm8tbr | isn't the switch to wayland a problem as the sgx drivers are x11? and android drivers are bionic | 11:14 |
| lcuk | i recall vgrade having trouble getting the emgd onto latest driver | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: SGX isn't a problem, check my wayland-wsegl stuff | 11:14 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, vesa isnt a problem | 11:14 |
| lcuk | it has modex | 11:14 |
| lcuk | :P | 11:14 |
| thiago | copy the binaries off Harmattan | 11:14 |
| dm8tbr | ok | 11:14 |
| CosmoHill | man| model| gpu | cpu| chipset | drivers | comments | 11:14 |
| lcuk | thiago, harmattan binaries are not going to work on intel hw :P | 11:14 |
| lcuk | thiago, this is more general question | 11:15 |
| lcuk | rather than a specific device | 11:15 |
| thiago | right, but there's no softfp problem on intel hw | 11:15 |
| lcuk | how to bootstrap visual os without proprietary drivers | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can live without it and do sw rendering ;) | 11:15 |
| lcuk | so that random hardware X with framebuffer software drivers can work from day1 | 11:15 |
| lcuk | well Stskeeps I have been living with software rendering for years | 11:16 |
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| lcuk | and its a bonus again if the framebuffer does yuv | 11:16 |
| lcuk | because that is automatic 20% performance boost | 11:16 |
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| lcuk | bootup, run a pretty home-ux in liqbase, still have app launcher to run proper full qt apps | 11:16 |
| lcuk | full apps work in software rendering | 11:17 |
| lcuk | but the main os comes up first and fast | 11:17 |
| CosmoHill | if you guys can give me the drives line by line in the above format I could easily add them to the wiki | 11:17 |
| lcuk | lcuk|n810|na|omap2420|embedded|software|low spec 400mhz | 11:18 |
| CosmoHill | also would you want things like year or link to manufactor? | 11:18 |
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| CosmoHill | (eg beagleboard) | 11:19 |
| lcuk | lcuk|n900|pvr|omap3430|embedded|yes|600mhz | 11:20 |
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| CosmoHill | I was under the impression that we had more than two devices | 11:31 |
| CosmoHill | I've added both beagle boards | 11:32 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, Stskeeps gave a list too | 11:35 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, the iphone linux builds I have seen are interesting, but they are software mode graphics too | 11:37 |
| CosmoHill | the for joggler what shall I put for the drivers? | 11:39 |
| lcuk | emgd | 11:39 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 11:39 |
| CosmoHill | I feel that processor speed should be in it's own colum | 11:40 |
| lcuk | possibly | 11:40 |
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| CosmoHill | want to see what I've got so far? | 11:43 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, sure | 11:52 |
| lcuk | it might encourage others to fill in more too | 11:52 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 11:53 |
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| CosmoHill | PVR = PowerVR right? | 11:54 |
| lcuk | yes, that looks fantastic CosmoHill | 11:54 |
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| lcuk | i added the lenovo ideapad | 11:56 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 11:56 |
| CosmoHill | I could add my desktop if I wanted, Q6600 and GMA4500 | 11:57 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: L comes before N :) | 11:57 |
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| CosmoHill | I've been keeping them alphabetical by manufactorer then model | 11:58 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, then I have modified the page to indicate this | 11:59 |
| CosmoHill | thanks :) | 11:59 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: maybe at some point we could sort it out like wikipedia, where you can click on a header and it will display the table organised by that | 12:01 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, when you see lardman, find out which device he was looking at | 12:04 |
| lcuk | and speak to vgrade, he will give you a big list | 12:04 |
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| CosmoHill | if I'm not arround you could add a todo list to http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/ | 12:05 |
| lcuk | i have plenty of other stuff todo :P | 12:05 |
| lcuk | this list is useful though | 12:06 |
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| * CosmoHill would say it's been a productive hour | 12:07 | |
| lcuk | thanks CosmoHill \o now scrollback and peek at those ferrari prototypes | 12:08 |
| CosmoHill | oh I never closed the tab on firefox | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, nice healthy balance of devices from intel and arm :) | 12:10 |
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| * CosmoHill adds AMD geo just for fun | 12:10 | |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, please do | 12:11 |
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| * CosmoHill adds the pandaboard since that actually runs meego | 12:13 | |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, take the n810 off since that won't with current thinking | 12:14 |
| CosmoHill | I thought Stskeeps used it | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, does meego run on your n810? | 12:15 |
| * dm8tbr editifies that wiki page | 12:15 | |
| lcuk | i still have maemo4+liqbase on mine | 12:15 |
| CosmoHill | dm8tbr: | 12:15 |
| CosmoHill | waity | 12:15 |
| CosmoHill | I'm about to add the pandaboard | 12:15 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: 2late, just added that ;) | 12:16 |
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| * CosmoHill hits cancel then edit | 12:17 | |
| dm8tbr | btw: the BBXM 3730 is more or less a OMAP3630 AFAICT | 12:17 |
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| dm8tbr | which puts it in the same group as the Archos gen8 and the N950 | 12:19 |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, great additions | 12:20 |
| * CosmoHill added pandaboard then sees dm8tbr also added it | 12:21 | |
| dm8tbr | btw: newer pandas are 4460 IIRC | 12:21 |
| CosmoHill | whatever I just removed was the latest | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 12:22 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | can Qt make PDFs without the involvement of something like CUPS? | 12:22 |
| CosmoHill | does the wiki have some kind of lock to prevent loss? | 12:22 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: poke timoph, I think his badge generator did sthg like that | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:24 |
| CosmoHill | 13 devices in an hour and a half :) | 12:24 |
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| CosmoHill | Venemo_N950: what graphics drivers are you using? | 12:25 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: http://timoph.fi/ 'nametags' | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:27 |
| dm8tbr | https://gitorious.org/random-timoph/nametags | 12:28 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: I believe auke has a desk full of devices | 12:32 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, good | 12:32 |
| CosmoHill | literary a desk full | 12:33 |
| lcuk | the next question is how to arganise so that stable ux imaging can occur for various combinations | 12:33 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, and finding a way to make the deskful of devices work together | 12:33 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: I didn't care enough to add all those devices that are unlikely to run MeeGo and pile up on my desk ;) | 12:34 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, sure | 12:34 |
| * dm8tbr has a fairly large zoo of archos devices | 12:34 | |
| lcuk | but there are reasonable combinations | 12:34 |
| dm8tbr | OMAP1510 is not really cutting edge... ;) | 12:35 |
| lcuk | sure | 12:35 |
| lcuk | but would it funcion as desk clock? | 12:35 |
| CosmoHill | a 12 hour desk clock | 12:35 |
| lcuk | or remote control device | 12:35 |
| lcuk | or sketchpad | 12:36 |
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| dm8tbr | lcuk: if you want one of the PMA430 devices that can be arranged, with their 2.4.19 kernel and weird hardware setup (two SoCs) they are not the easiest to work with... | 12:39 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, i have plenty of hardware here and imagination to work within different spec ranges | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, and I already know my software works happily at usable speed on the n810 omap2420 | 12:41 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey lcuk | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | afternoon Venemo_N950 \o | 14:58 |
| lcuk | how is irc client coming along | 14:58 |
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| nasa01 | Hi, | 16:03 |
| nasa01 | anyone know if the OBS (pub) server is up? | 16:03 |
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| dm8tbr | nasa01: stuff is experiencing problems at the moment according to ##meego-dashboard | 16:05 |
| Venemo | hey | 16:05 |
| dm8tbr | 11:49:16< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM api.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Sat Sept 3 11:47:52 UTC 2011 | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | 11:54:04< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM api.meego.com OBS_API CRITICAL Host seems down! Sat Sept 3 11:52:22 UTC 2011 | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | 11:54:04< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM build.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Sat Sept 3 11:53:52 UTC 2011 | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | 12:18:04< forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM api.pub.meego.com OBS_API UNKNOWN (Service Check Timed Out) Sat Sept 3 12:17:52 UTC 2011 | 16:06 |
| berndhs | well, it is the weekend | 16:06 |
| nasa01 | dm8tbr, thanks for the update | 16:07 |
| Venemo | does anyone here know anything about the Asus X101? | 16:07 |
| nasa01 | berndhs, true. | 16:07 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'm a befuddled by the inability to switch among apps that aren't pre-installed on Tablet Preview. I would guess it's because many apps don't have icons associated with them, and the chooser/browser thingy is puzzled. | 16:37 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone know if I create icons and try to associate them through desktop files if browser/chooser will work better? | 16:38 |
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| berndhs | Alison_Chaiken: i have installed some apps on tablet with .desktop files, if they are correct it works fine | 16:43 |
| berndhs | however, if they is something wrong with them, I haven't found a way to tell what that is | 16:43 |
| berndhs | the way I was installing it, I'm pretty sure it's not "compliant" | 16:44 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks, berndhs, that's kind of what I was thinking. I'll try it. | 16:48 |
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| Mwape | I'm trying to follow this guide --> https://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 to install it on my n900, but It comes to "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." and then nothing more happens :( | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | sudo ? | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | turn off n900 totally, no usb cable in | 16:52 |
| Mwape | Yes | 16:52 |
| Mwape | nah using flasher.exe in cmd | 16:52 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Hi! | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 17:16 |
| dm8tbr | lo | 17:16 |
| DonaldShimoda | Im using meego netbook version 12 + updates | 17:16 |
| DonaldShimoda | and dont recognize my 2 giga ram , only one.... | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | does the bios recognise it? | 17:17 |
| DonaldShimoda | any idea? | 17:17 |
| DonaldShimoda | i have a aspire one D255E with 2 GB ram | 17:17 |
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| DonaldShimoda | the bios say 2GB installed , i checked | 17:17 |
| DonaldShimoda | ubuntu recognize the two gb | 17:17 |
| DonaldShimoda | only meego problem | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i think there's something about a setting in kernel | 17:18 |
| DonaldShimoda | seems like | 17:18 |
| DonaldShimoda | 2.6.37.6-11.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 5 08:35:27 UTC | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | check bugs.meego.com | 17:19 |
| DonaldShimoda | how to downgrade my kernel or compile a new one? i know how to do on ubuntu but im new with meego | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i have to go, sadly (shopping) | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 17:19 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, thanks anyway | 17:20 |
| dm8tbr | I can't find any bugs on bmo that look like this right now | 17:23 |
| DonaldShimoda | dm8tbr, agree | 17:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | dm8tbr, i will try to recompile kernel | 17:25 |
| DonaldShimoda | how do you select between kernels at start? shift key? use grub or what? | 17:25 |
| dm8tbr | DonaldShimoda: so /proc/meminfo only shows 1G? | 17:26 |
| dm8tbr | meego uses extlinux unless you installed grub through e.g. ubuntu | 17:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | wget http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/repos/oss/source/ | 17:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | sorry | 17:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | my mistake | 17:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | wait | 17:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | cat /proc/meminfo|grep MemTotal | 17:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | MemTotal: 889412 kB | 17:27 |
| dm8tbr | hmhm | 17:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | extlinux, another stuff to learn hehe | 17:27 |
| dm8tbr | does the kernel commandline have suspicious entries? | 17:28 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC that's /proc/cmdline | 17:28 |
| DonaldShimoda | i will check | 17:28 |
| maligor | suspicious entries? "troijan_access=197.172.11.5:22"? | 17:28 |
| berndhs | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15553 ? | 17:28 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15553 nor, Medium, ---, bintian.wang, RESO FIXED, Meego tablet build DOES NOT actually enable HIGHMEM per dmesg: available mem < 1GB for 2GB physical | 17:28 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 17:29 |
| berndhs | i don't know what "fixed" means in this case | 17:29 |
| dm8tbr | but that's 'tablet' | 17:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | ro root=/dev/sda2 quiet vga=current BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz-2.6.37.6-11.1 | 17:29 |
| CosmoHill | I thought that was all builds, not just tablet | 17:30 |
| berndhs | netbook has had HIGHMEM disabled from day 1 | 17:30 |
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| DonaldShimoda | i have to go out 10 mins, if you guy have any idea tell me, i can recompile enabling HIGHMEM | 17:30 |
| DonaldShimoda | come back in minutes | 17:30 |
| dm8tbr | berndhs: any specific reason? | 17:31 |
| berndhs | yes, it goes 4% faster, unless of course you need more memory | 17:31 |
| berndhs | that's what I heard anyway | 17:31 |
| berndhs | I didn't do it :) | 17:32 |
| dm8tbr | aha, 640k ought to be enough... | 17:32 |
| berndhs | that's right | 17:32 |
| dm8tbr | I'd love to get my hands on actual meego netbook products and verify that one | 17:33 |
| berndhs | and they did actually get to the moon with 64K, but that's another story | 17:33 |
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| dm8tbr | IOW if OEMs fixed such things for hw configs with >1GB | 17:33 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, lcuk, added a few of mine, http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 17:38 |
| CosmoHill | thanks vgrade | 17:38 |
| vgrade | what about a list of potential devices | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | we don't have one yet and that could be a very very big list | 17:40 |
| * CosmoHill thinks that most of the macbook pros can go on there | 17:40 | |
| lcuk | vgrade, more interesting for me is to know how the port is doing on each | 17:41 |
| lcuk | and whether it can be organised in 1.3/1.4 to simplify getting latest image onto xyz device | 17:42 |
| vgrade | traffic light style, command line, sw rast, accel gfx, sound, wifi, touchscreen | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | sounds reasonable | 17:42 |
| * lcuk likes this starting point though :) | 17:43 | |
| CosmoHill | on the processor page we have red, yellow and green | 17:43 |
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| Venemo | good afternoon lcuk :) | 17:46 |
| lcuk | \o likewise Venemo | 17:46 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, I'd like to seek your advice | 17:46 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I want to buy a small/portable device which runs MeeGo. purpose is to have something that fits in my smaller bar and bring with me to the uni to browse the web or work on my hobby projects between classes | 17:49 |
| Venemo | candidates are either a 10" netbook or a 7" tablet | 17:49 |
| lcuk | Venemo, I use my lenovo ideapad | 17:49 |
| Venemo | not sure which one is the better choice | 17:49 |
| lcuk | which is a 10" convertable | 17:49 |
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| alterego | I use my 15" laptop :P | 17:49 |
| Venemo | yeah, I thought about it, but it's too expensive for my wallet right now | 17:50 |
| alterego | Though I've taken to hacking on the exo with a bluetooth keyboard recently. | 17:50 |
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| Venemo | my 15" laptop has its uses, but its battery doesn't last at all, and it's inconvenient to carry around | 17:50 |
| alterego | What's wrong with hacking on the N950? | 17:50 |
| alterego | :) | 17:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, I get about 3 hours on my 9 cell. | 17:51 |
| alterego | Which is good enough for a little sprint or a movie. | 17:51 |
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| Venemo | yeah. | 17:51 |
| Venemo | I'm looking for something that can run for at least 6 hours (or more) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | lenovo ideapad lasts ages for me | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | it says 10 hours of battery often | 17:54 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, is this "the ideapad" that was given out in the meego conference? | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, yes | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | it does have a huge 9 cell batteryt hough | 17:57 |
| lcuk | good carrying handle | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | not really, i always worry it is going to damage it | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | when i carry it like that | 17:57 |
| Venemo | what is the full name of this model? | 17:57 |
| ali1234 | also it makes it about 2x as heavy | 17:58 |
| Venemo | I'll have a search to see how much it costs | 17:58 |
| alterego | Ideapad 10t | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | too heavy to use it like a tablet imo | 17:58 |
| alterego | or something | 17:58 |
| ali1234 | s10-3t | 17:58 |
| alterego | That's it | 17:58 |
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| alterego | I didn't get one as I didn't get to dublin, they look like quite neat machines though :) | 17:59 |
| ali1234 | they are OK | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's usually my travel laptop, when not for business | 17:59 |
| ali1234 | pity the accelerometer doesn't work in linux | 17:59 |
| Venemo | hm | 18:01 |
| Venemo | doesn't look like I can get this ideapad for cheap :( | 18:01 |
| maligor | the tablet one? | 18:01 |
| Venemo | s10-3t yielded no results at all in local websites | 18:01 |
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| Venemo | nor in local auction sites | 18:02 |
| maligor | oh, that | 18:02 |
| maligor | grab a exopc or weetab? | 18:02 |
| Venemo | I found it for €300 in ebay.de, but I'm not exactly keen on getting a machine with a german keyboard | 18:02 |
| maligor | err.. wetab | 18:02 |
| Venemo | exopc or wetab is even more expensive, and I'm not sure if they're worth it. | 18:05 |
| Venemo | I would have applied for the exopc program at meego.com if I had known about it.... but I was too late for that | 18:05 |
| alterego | I quite like my exo .. currently has win 7 on it :x | 18:05 |
| alterego | (For symbian development) | 18:06 |
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| Venemo | well, I wasn't at the right place at the right time, so I didn't acquire either an ExoPC, nor an ideapad | 18:09 |
| lcuk | Venemo, now my turn for question | 18:10 |
| DonaldShimoda | question, i will recompile the kernel to fix the problem where not get my 2GB ram | 18:11 |
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| lcuk | would a liq* based home-ux (with app launcher) be a nice front end for meego | 18:11 |
| DonaldShimoda | is better pentium- m or atom for a atom N550? | 18:11 |
| Venemo | lcuk, depends on how well you design it | 18:11 |
| lcuk | Venemo, if it wasn't me doing all the work | 18:12 |
| alterego | I should probably get ready for this wedding. | 18:12 |
| lcuk | just looking at the list of developer_devices | 18:12 |
| Venemo | alterego, your wedding? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:13 |
| lcuk | hi alterego \o | 18:13 |
| DonaldShimoda | anybody can help me with reconfiguring of kernel? for atom n550 is better pentium-m option or atom (pentium-m is the default option) | 18:13 |
| alterego | Why does everyone keep saying that' | 18:13 |
| alterego | lcuk: \o | 18:13 |
| alterego | :) | 18:13 |
| javispedro | Venemo: you are not missing anything without a ideapad ;) | 18:13 |
| lcuk | DonaldShimoda, not sure about recompiling kernels | 18:13 |
| Venemo | alterego, have a nice time :) | 18:13 |
| javispedro | (well, maybe meego netbook :P ) | 18:13 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, do you wish to target tablets or netbooks or handsets? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | Venemo, tablets and handsets (where I currently use it) | 18:14 |
| maligor | There's one of those ideapads at work, and it still has windows 7 starter on it.. once I managed to get the display stuck upside down | 18:14 |
| Venemo | javispedro, well, that's what I thought too, but now I'm in a situation where a netbook could come in handy | 18:14 |
| lcuk | javispedro, depends what you use the ideapad for | 18:15 |
| javispedro | Venemo: the only pro I can see on a netbook is that it is cheap, and that is great battery life. | 18:15 |
| javispedro | (well, IdeaPad has) | 18:15 |
| Venemo | lcuk, well, if you implement it in a way in which it looks nice and works well, users will use it :) | 18:15 |
| maligor | javispedro, I think typically it'll also include light | 18:15 |
| maligor | javispedro, err.. I mean weight | 18:16 |
| lcuk | of course Venemo | 18:16 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I myself was thinking about how much of an effort it would take to make custom UX with QML, and it seems that one can develop with QML very fast. | 18:16 |
| javispedro | maligor: na, no longer -- some subnotebooks are slimmer even | 18:16 |
| Venemo | javispedro, yeah, exactly what I'm looking for right now. | 18:16 |
| lcuk | Venemo, you can develop some things in qml very quickly | 18:16 |
| Venemo | javispedro, I want a small, light, simple computer that I can carry with me effortlessly | 18:16 |
| maligor | javispedro, slimmer doesn't necessarily mean light | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | but not everything | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | and those devices are not all powerhouses | 18:16 |
| javispedro | maligor: touché | 18:16 |
| maligor | Venemo, I think android tablets might fit that bill the best ;P | 18:17 |
| Venemo | maligor, do you think I would ask in #meego if I was content with crapdroid? | 18:17 |
| maligor | heh | 18:17 |
| javispedro | btw, anyone knows what the equivalent of "resource_set_configure_advice_callback" is on the libresourceqt API? | 18:17 |
| maligor | I don't think meego is really ready yet | 18:17 |
| Venemo | lcuk, if for example you take Intel's UX and reuse the compositor/etc from it, "just" implementing the UX your own way, I don't think it would take that much of an effort. | 18:18 |
| lcuk | ready for what? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | Venemo, performance constraints that | 18:18 |
| maligor | consumer usage | 18:18 |
| lcuk | and putting the tablet ux onto n900 isn't really slick | 18:18 |
| Venemo | yeah. | 18:18 |
| lcuk | maligor, define your consumer? | 18:18 |
| maligor | lcuk, even me | 18:19 |
| Venemo | that's why I said to implement your own UX on top of their compositor | 18:19 |
| lcuk | Venemo, so that just stopped it being practical on many devices | 18:19 |
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| maligor | If I had a netbook, I'd just install debian on it | 18:19 |
| Venemo | you could then optimize it for your preferred screen size | 18:19 |
| maligor | and the tablet ux is just rather raw | 18:19 |
| lcuk | Venemo, have you seen the work that goes into trying to do anything multi device with qml? | 18:19 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I have. | 18:20 |
| DonaldShimoda | the wiki steps to recompile kernel fails.... | 18:20 |
| DonaldShimoda | any other source??? | 18:20 |
| Venemo | lcuk, definitely not easy with Qt-Components | 18:20 |
| Venemo | lcuk, but (apart from needing to take care of different screen sizes) it could be easy with "plain" QML | 18:20 |
| Venemo | lcuk, what I'm currently thinking of buying is an Asus X101. it is a bit weaker than the ideapad and doesn't have a touchscreen, but it is extremely cheap | 18:21 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable depending on need | 18:21 |
| maligor | 1kg isn't terribly light tho | 18:21 |
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| maligor | or 0.92kg rather | 18:21 |
| Venemo | I think I can handle 1kg. | 18:21 |
| Venemo | weight is not the main issue. | 18:22 |
| javispedro | ah, resource_set_configure_advice_callback == ResourceSet resourcesBecameAvailable signal | 18:22 |
| lcuk | Venemo, the reason for wanting a home-ux | 18:22 |
| Venemo | lcuk, yes? | 18:22 |
| lcuk | is to make use of the calendar/todo/journaling currently in sketches | 18:23 |
| maligor | wow.. X101 comes with MeeGo? | 18:23 |
| Venemo | maligor, yeah. | 18:23 |
| maligor | I didn't know asus still made their netbooks with it | 18:23 |
| lcuk | qml is not a super performer at such things | 18:23 |
| Venemo | maligor, not "still" | 18:23 |
| Venemo | maligor, this is their first MeeGo netbook afaik (tell me if I'm mistaken) | 18:23 |
| Venemo | maligor, there is also a windows 7 version, but it's a lot more expensive | 18:24 |
| lcuk | Venemo, hence me thinking to try and see how polished a front end UX could be made | 18:24 |
| lcuk | like the netbook uses clutter for instance | 18:24 |
| Venemo | lcuk, well, they say that Qt N+1 (4.8, 5.0) will take care of QML performance issues. | 18:24 |
| timoph | o/ | 18:24 |
| Venemo | lcuk, so, are you seeking to implement your UX without QML? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | but still retaining ability to run qt apps inside | 18:24 |
| maligor | Venemo, I dare say then it might be one of the better options since they've probably actually tested that linux works on it | 18:25 |
| lcuk | Venemo, I am chewing the fat and considering stuff | 18:25 |
| lcuk | i want a home-ux | 18:25 |
| timoph | lcuk: looks like I'll be flying through manchester (don't have the flight details yet) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | i have the apps already | 18:25 |
| maligor | sometimes the manufacturers make some dreadful crap in the bios | 18:25 |
| lcuk | :D timoph | 18:25 |
| lcuk | will they let you out of the airport for a coffee? | 18:25 |
| timoph | hope so :) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | excellent | 18:25 |
| lcuk | let me know and I will drive over | 18:25 |
| Venemo | maligor, there are only two issues with the X101. | 18:25 |
| lcuk | I was at the airport yesterday with tracy and jake | 18:26 |
| Venemo | maligor, 1) if it isn't sold with a bigger battery, I won't buy | 18:26 |
| timoph | I'm going to somewhere <100 miles from manchester | 18:26 |
| Venemo | maligor, 2) I'm not sure how fast that atom can compile my hobby projects | 18:26 |
| * timoph checks the place | 18:26 | |
| lcuk | timoph, then they should let you out lol | 18:26 |
| maligor | Venemo, well, the netbook atoms are 'ok' | 18:26 |
| Venemo | lcuk, do you have anything specific in mind for your home-ux? | 18:26 |
| lcuk | Venemo, liqbase can almost be considered a qt project btw | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | w00t_ very kindly converted it to qmake and gave it a .pro file | 18:27 |
| maligor | Venemo, if you've ever tried compiling software on arm, then it's a lot faster ;P | 18:27 |
| Venemo | maligor, in the review video, it struggles with even playing back a youtube video... | 18:27 |
| lcuk | Venemo, I have very specific things in mind for the home ux | 18:27 |
| maligor | Venemo, youtube is flash | 18:27 |
| Venemo | lcuk, fill me in in #liqbase | 18:27 |
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| Venemo | maligor, yeah, I'm aware. | 18:27 |
| maligor | Venemo, flash is crap code | 18:27 |
| lcuk | but I will need to work out whether i can get such a project funded | 18:27 |
| javispedro | lcuk: (qmake) ah, so you got the worst part of qt already! =) | 18:28 |
| maligor | Venemo, and I mean it literally | 18:28 |
| lcuk | javispedro, sure | 18:28 |
| lcuk | its already a c++ project | 18:28 |
| lcuk | and now the icon is a qt one | 18:28 |
| Venemo | maligor, yeah, I know, I hate flash as a web developer (never used it), and a user (hate to use it) | 18:28 |
| lcuk | so technically I could say liqbase is now qt project o_O | 18:28 |
| lcuk | even though it uses non standard appi a bit | 18:28 |
| Venemo | lcuk, well, using qmake doesn't mean it's a Qt project | 18:28 |
| lcuk | Venemo, it has a .pro :P | 18:29 |
| lcuk | and opens in qt creator | 18:29 |
| Venemo | I use qmake for any project simply for the reason that it's the only linux build system I can handle. | 18:29 |
| lcuk | what difference? | 18:29 |
| Venemo | same stands for Qt Creator. | 18:29 |
| lcuk | Venemo, it is a library | 18:29 |
| Venemo | what makes something "a Qt project" is that it links to libqt-whatever :) | 18:29 |
| Venemo | qmake is not a library :) | 18:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | can anybody check if have this fail: /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.2.conf | 18:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | happens is missing on my system so the kernel compilign fails | 18:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | but the wiki says must be there.... | 18:30 |
| timoph | lcuk: somewhere near Heanor/eastwood | 18:30 |
| alterego | I'd say "Qt" projects have to have some kind of QObject use :P | 18:30 |
| Venemo | alterego ++ | 18:30 |
| Venemo | alterego, what's your take on the X101? | 18:31 |
| lcuk | timoph, that is quite a far away from manchester! | 18:31 |
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| lcuk | how are you travelling between? | 18:31 |
| lcuk | alterego, no they don't | 18:31 |
| lcuk | can open and make a proper full qt library | 18:31 |
| lcuk | and just have a public class api | 18:32 |
| alterego | lcuk: well Qt is basically the meta type system. | 18:32 |
| lcuk | but never actually use any qt features | 18:32 |
| alterego | In theory, but then what makes that a Qt library? :P | 18:32 |
| lcuk | class test{ int sum(int a,int b) { return a+b; } }; | 18:32 |
| timoph | lcuk: dunno yet :) | 18:32 |
| alterego | You don't link against any libqt stuff. | 18:32 |
| lcuk | could be done completely in qt | 18:32 |
| lcuk | and still be a qt project | 18:32 |
| alterego | No, it's a qmake project. | 18:33 |
| alterego | Not Qt | 18:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | anybody running meego 1.2 please... | 18:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | can anybody check if have this fail: /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.2.conf | 18:33 |
| lcuk | alterego, if you were *using* the library which was earlier built by me | 18:33 |
| lcuk | would it matter? | 18:34 |
| Venemo | DonaldShimoda, I personally wish that I had the necessary expertise to help you, but I'm just another app developer, so I can't, sorry :( | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | as long as the api did what it was meant to | 18:34 |
| javispedro | so, if you link with both Gtk+, libliqbase, and Qt, what kind of project yours is? :D | 18:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | i just need you list a file... | 18:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | can anybody check if have this fail: /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.2.conf | 18:34 |
| lcuk | javispedro, :D | 18:34 |
| timoph | lcuk: seems to be ~130km so not that far. I'd guess I can get there by a bus | 18:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | is in your sistem? | 18:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | ls /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.2.conf | 18:34 |
| Venemo | DonaldShimoda, I currently don't have a MeeGo installation, sorry :( | 18:34 |
| alterego | lcuk: a project that uses qmake but doesn't link against qt isn't a qt project | 18:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | anyboldy else please | 18:35 |
| lcuk | alterego, should I add a making_alterego_happy(){} function | 18:35 |
| Venemo | yeah :P | 18:36 |
| lcuk | which returns a new qobject | 18:36 |
| lcuk | but otherwise has no requirement at all | 18:36 |
| javispedro | and incur the cost of Qt initialization for that? =) | 18:37 |
| timoph | lcuk: add property "alterego" with value "is happy" to it :) | 18:37 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | it would then let me say liqbase is a qt project | 18:38 |
| lcuk | so might be benefit to some project funding tickbox | 18:38 |
| timoph | :) | 18:38 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I don't think your project has to be a Qt project to succeed | 18:39 |
| lcuk | :) that would be good | 18:41 |
| lcuk | there are many roadblocks to considering it though | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | i would like to actually organise team project to sort out proper home-ux :) | 18:42 |
| lcuk | anyway offline for a bit | 18:42 |
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| DonaldShimoda | anyboidy can run this please and tell me if existe on your meego system? -> ls /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.2.conf | 18:44 |
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| alterego | There literally isn't anything as good as the N900 right now. | 18:47 |
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| alterego | I've been using it all day because I left my laptop at home and I've been doing pretty much everything I'd be doing on my laptop on it. | 18:47 |
| alterego | Kinda forgot how awesome and powerful it is :) | 18:47 |
| berndhs | DonaldShimoda: i looked, there is no /usr/lib/build on my meego netbook, but i'm not trying to build kernels, so probably doesn't mean anything | 18:49 |
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| DonaldShimoda | y see, ok thanks | 18:51 |
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| DonaldShimoda | berndhs, can you check if exists /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.0.conf | 19:18 |
| berndhs | DonaldShimoda: on my system, the /usr/lib/build directory doesn't exist, nevermind any specific file in it :) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | install build package | 19:20 |
| DonaldShimoda | berndhs, see... well, the wiki instructions are wrong and they forget to activate HIGHMEM on the kernel, so my 2 GB machine only use 878 K... | 19:21 |
| DonaldShimoda | the outsrangeous process they use to compile is undocumented, a shame, meego is really good, but in my second try i hit the wall | 19:22 |
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| berndhs | as far as i know, they didn't forget to activate HIGHMEM, they de-activate it on purpose | 19:22 |
| berndhs | but as I said earlier, I didn't do it | 19:23 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, what's your opinion on the WeTab? is it worth its money? | 19:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | berndhs, the purpose seems to be wrong or is let the 2GB netbook users outside of meego | 19:26 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, i will check but believe is already installed | 19:27 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, what is the name for build package? there no such thing like buils package on the repos, dont ever build alone...ç | 19:28 |
| DonaldShimoda | buils is already installed | 19:28 |
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| DonaldShimoda | theres any room for meego developers? | 19:29 |
| Venemo | well it was stupid of me to ask Stskeeps, I'm interested in everyone's opinion of course | 19:29 |
| Venemo | DonaldShimoda, depends. there are various #meego- channels, such as #meego-arm - use the channel list feature of your IRC client | 19:29 |
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| hena | Venemo: it look great of course, they just don't deliver to anywhere | 19:36 |
| Venemo | hena, but does it work as great as it looks? | 19:36 |
| hena | so by the time they're shipping to finland, there's like wetab3 already | 19:37 |
| hena | who knows, cuz nobody has it | 19:37 |
| hena | :) | 19:37 |
| Venemo | nobody? | 19:37 |
| hena | well they don't ship to anywhere :) | 19:37 |
| annma | I got it in France | 19:37 |
| hena | ok, so how is it? | 19:37 |
| annma | they do | 19:37 |
| annma | what: hardware, software? | 19:38 |
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| hena | overall | 19:38 |
| annma | it's open so you can install what you want | 19:38 |
| annma | wetab OS is slick | 19:38 |
| hena | -.- | 19:39 |
| annma | they're clever as you can run Android in a VB | 19:39 |
| hena | what are the main issues using it | 19:39 |
| annma | none | 19:39 |
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| DonaldShimoda | nobody helo, i will post a message in the forum... | 19:39 |
| annma | I got it for development primarely but I use it as well | 19:39 |
| annma | hena: I love tablets which is maybe not the case for everybody | 19:40 |
| annma | hena: what do you want to do with it? | 19:42 |
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| ali1234 | re: that guy from nigeria on the ML, what do you think he's going to say when you tell him he has to use OBS to compile stuff? | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | hey javispedro | 19:47 |
| javispedro | hi CosmoHill | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: heh | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: not terribly impressed with exopc | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i'm serious | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: i know :P | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: i plan to solve that issue somehow too | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: link, it sounds amusing | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg10631.html | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | javispedro: if I start a game of openttd at some point would you be interesting in joining? | 19:51 |
| javispedro | heh | 19:52 |
| javispedro | at some point maybe :) | 19:52 |
| javispedro | I am hacking atm | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | I've just been playing it for hours with my bro so I don't want to play any more | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: offline build should really be possible, ie, with a cached release | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | when you say "should" do you mean "someone should implement it" or "it should already work" | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: as in 'should already work and i am a little puzzled why it wouldn't' | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | and no, i don't mean rpmbuild, i mean build | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | orc build? | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | osc | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | no, lower, osc build just calls build | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | build can be pointed at a repo and a prjconf | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | maybe that's why rpmbuild doesn't work for me? | 19:54 |
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| ali1234 | maybe i should be using build instead? | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: I just read one of his tweets, or at least tried to | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: i'd gladly volunteer an hour to walk you through how it's supposed to work :P | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: or at least how i thought it would ;) | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | ok, let's do it some time, and i will make detailed notes :) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | build is sort of like mock | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: from what I understand from the email he wants someone to post him a MeeGo DVD | 19:55 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, have any idea how to re-compile the kernel? The wiki procedure is wrong | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: yes, because his internet is expensive | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: http://wiki.meego.com/Local_Build_Without_OBS_Needed | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: he has a blog, twitter and facebook as well as web design company... | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: same might apply for you | 19:56 |
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| ali1234 | there's a wik page about recompiling the kernel? | 19:56 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, this file dontr exists.... how can be wrong thissimple fact? /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.2.conf | 19:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | and /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.0.conf exists | 19:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | so? | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: do those instructions work *on meego*? | 19:57 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, there is a wiki, and is wrong | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: curl http://api.meego.com/public/source/MeeGo:1.2.0:oss/_config | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: that's meego-1.2.conf | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: not sure, but they ought to | 19:58 |
| DonaldShimoda | http://wiki.meego.com/Recompile_kernel | 19:58 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, hardly, why then os not named 1.2.con? | 19:58 |
| DonaldShimoda | and yes, using this fails at first step | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | and why is rpmbuild even kept around if it doesn't work? | 19:58 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, dont get you | 19:59 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, I'm not impressed with exopc either, but I was asking about the wetab :P | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: don't shoot the messenger, just telling you what i would do.. i think the problem with rpmbuild is that there's some extra macros in OBS prjconf that packages need | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: i tried to rebuild the kernel in the obvious way, using zypper to get the source rpm, and rpmbuild to build it. this does not work. i reported the bug several months ago, and it has not been afaik (i checked a couple of weeks ago) | 20:00 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, welcome to the club! LOL | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | it's possible the problem is the same for both methods | 20:00 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, you also suffer the 2GB not recognized? my meego tells me i only have 878 KB.... | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | with rpmbuild it does crash out during prep, when it is generating configs, so it would make sense | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | 2GB? | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | 2GB ram? | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: could you try the build method and see if your experience differs? | 20:01 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, yes, my netbook have 2GB ram, is a acer aspire one D255E | 20:01 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: yes, i'll try it after dinner :) | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: yeah that one is a known "feature" | 20:02 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, dont you recommend me somthing to try? | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | rebuilding the kernel could probably fix it :) | 20:02 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, any other workaround or i must to recompile kernel? | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | i never encountered it though, i test on ideapad, and i didnt upgrade the ram | 20:02 |
| npm | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20101227-1/why-amazons-will-be-the-first-successful-android-tablet/?tag=topStories | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: yes, same thing | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | DonaldShimoda: i'm not sure. maybe command line. i'm not familiar with the bug, i just heard other talking about it | 20:03 |
| ali1234 | anyway going for dinner | 20:03 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, theres any other tuto to compile the kernel? | 20:03 |
| DonaldShimoda | ali1234, will wait you to know if you have success | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: not that i know of, i'm just saying, unpack the kernel sources, use the guide to do it with 'build' tool as i referred to above | 20:03 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, i run this way, no luck. I will need to come back to ubuntu... | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: using the 'build' tool? really? :P | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | ah, righ | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | t | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: trust me on this one, curl http://api.meego.com/public/source/MeeGo:1.2.0:oss/_config is the meego-1.2.conf you're missing | 20:05 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, ok, so i will download and try again | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure why your 'build' package does not contain it | 20:06 |
| DonaldShimoda | ok, building now! | 20:07 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, is downloading stuff | 20:09 |
| DonaldShimoda | i will tell you when is done, thanks! | 20:09 |
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| Stskeeps | np - if it fails, please pastebin it | 20:11 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, ok | 20:12 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, is a normal behaviour downloa all the repo packages? | 20:41 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, kenrel build os downloading the full package repositoru | 20:41 |
| DonaldShimoda | repository | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: not all of it, just what it needs to build with | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | if you see sample-media, something's wrong ;) | 20:42 |
| CosmoHill | javispedro: what you hacking? | 20:42 |
| javispedro | CosmoHill: playing with n950 fm radio | 20:42 |
| CosmoHill | receiver or transmitter? | 20:43 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, hehe, good point | 20:44 |
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| javispedro | CosmoHill: receiver | 20:57 |
| CosmoHill | I'm hacking the CLFS book at listening to chase and status | 20:58 |
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| Venemo | can MeeGo run on NVidia Tegra 2? | 21:10 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, hang on for ever on the step "installing glibc-common-2.11.90-23.46" | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | DonaldShimoda: naah, not forever, it just takes a while | 21:12 |
| DonaldShimoda | 20 minutes and counting... | 21:13 |
| DonaldShimoda | htop shows no activity at all related to rpm | 21:13 |
| DonaldShimoda | i see... is build-locale-archive | 21:14 |
| DonaldShimoda | 102% | 21:14 |
| DonaldShimoda | ok, all goes well i think, i will report again when end this, thanks | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: yes | 21:15 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, hw accelerated graphics and everything? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: on some chipsets, trimslice has it working | 21:16 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, any info about Asus Eee Transformer? | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | duno | 21:19 |
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| vgrade | Venemo, we have it running well on Trimslice. I have a task to try the hardfp drivers on the advent vega tablet. There is a good chance all tegra tablets could be good targets | 21:28 |
| Venemo | vgrade, that is good news :) | 21:28 |
| Venemo | well, I still have not decided what to buy, but it's good to know that MeeGo is expanding to Tegra :) | 21:29 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: ok, i am resizing my partitions to make room for yet another meego | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | should i use 1.2 or 1.3 to test build instructions? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | 1.2, 1.3 is just broken :P | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | meh, it seemed ok last time i used it | 21:34 |
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| vgrade | Venemo, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 21:41 |
| Venemo | vgrade, yeah, I have read that page already :) | 21:41 |
| vgrade | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Smart_TV_for_Trimslice | 21:42 |
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| Venemo | vgrade, huh, very nice stuff :) | 21:42 |
| siddvicious | does meego tablet 1.2.0 reads sim ? | 21:44 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: merkur2k on our team is making a version of the aeon skin to run on our qOrbiter. | 21:49 |
| * CosmoHill gets annoys when his XML book fails to validate and it points to the wrong line of code | 21:49 | |
| CosmoHill | "omg line 78 is wrong" instead of "dude there's a "`" randomly on line 140" | 21:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: http://imgur.com/mAAjx | 21:50 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, Hi, I saw you were looking for me a few nights ago | 21:56 |
| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, one hour working /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive, is normal? | 21:57 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, nice progress on qOrbiter | 22:00 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, do you have a roadmap for development? | 22:02 |
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| CosmoHill | wb | 22:07 |
| Venemo | TSCHAKeee, that screenie looks awesome | 22:08 |
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| * CosmoHill has done enough hacking for now | 22:09 | |
| CosmoHill | oh great, flash isn't working properly | 22:09 |
| * CosmoHill contunies hacking | 22:09 | |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, I've added qOrbiter to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Smart_TV_for_Trimslice#TODO_List | 22:10 |
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| Sage | Is this build logs not showing in build.meego.com also related to those downtimes of the obs? | 22:14 |
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| DonaldShimoda | Stskeeps, one and half hour working /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive, is normal? | 22:23 |
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| DesertZ | how to upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2 ? | 22:28 |
| DesertZ | can i use zypper ? | 22:28 |
| DonaldShimoda | DesertZ, yes you can but a little tricky | 22:28 |
| DesertZ | im helping a friend, newcomer mostly | 22:28 |
| DonaldShimoda | DesertZ, and i never try, by the way | 22:29 |
| DesertZ | he did upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1 by himself | 22:29 |
| DonaldShimoda | http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions | 22:29 |
| DesertZ | but i want to help him to upgrade ti 1.2 so i can help to fix broadcom wifi | 22:29 |
| DesertZ | zypper dup wants to upgrade to some 1.1.x version | 22:29 |
| DesertZ | and refrains remote files are missing | 22:30 |
| DesertZ | how can i upgrade to 1.2 ? | 22:30 |
| DesertZ | shall i modify repos ? | 22:30 |
| DesertZ | (i've read the wiki) | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | I believe the official method is a fresh install | 22:31 |
| DonaldShimoda | you cant | 22:31 |
| DonaldShimoda | is not ubuntu | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | to much has changed between 1.1 and 1.2 for a software upgrade to go well | 22:31 |
| DesertZ | so i must tell him to backup and do a fresh install ? seems awful hes a newcomer | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | DesertZ: you could always do it for him and charge him in biscuits | 22:31 |
| DonaldShimoda | DesertZ, i have to say, meego is fair away to be ready for newcomers... | 22:32 |
| DesertZ | is there a changelog, is it worth upgrading to 1.2 ? | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | "somewhere" and "yes" | 22:32 |
| DesertZ | well' hes using a netbook and seems happy with the speed of meego | 22:32 |
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| CosmoHill | although you can go by the "if it's not broke don't fix it" | 22:32 |
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| DonaldShimoda | work great if you dont have a 2G RAM device, LOL | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | yes, Meego is limited to 1GB of RAM | 22:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, by design? I doubt | 22:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | I think is a bug, and is mpointed in bug databse | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | yes by design, in fact by the kernel configuration chosen | 22:33 |
| DesertZ | it's a lenovo 1G | 22:33 |
| DesertZ | exactly 1G it seems | 22:33 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, stupid design election then... | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | 1GiB - embedded graphics? | 22:34 |
| DesertZ | ram | 22:34 |
| DesertZ | lenovo netbook S-something | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | I mean embedded graphics will share the main memory | 22:34 |
| DonaldShimoda | 1 GB RAM i mean | 22:34 |
| DesertZ | i guess | 22:34 |
| DesertZ | intel 945GM | 22:35 |
| DesertZ | gMe | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | GMA 3150? | 22:35 |
| DonaldShimoda | second try to build kernel... | 22:35 |
| DesertZ | what ? | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | never mind | 22:36 |
| DesertZ | where so i see that lspci? | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | hold on a second | 22:36 |
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| DesertZ | no 3150 on lspci | 22:36 |
| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, when change the politic to only work with 1 GB devices? | 22:37 |
| DonaldShimoda | 1.1 work fine on 2 GB and 1.2 dont...silly | 22:37 |
| CosmoHill | DesertZ: I was just trying to guess your graphics card | 22:38 |
| DesertZ | so definitely no upgrade path | 22:38 |
| DesertZ | fresh install is a must ? | 22:39 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering | 22:39 |
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| DonaldShimoda | CosmoHill, nothing relevant there, only developers names... | 22:42 |
| DonaldShimoda | ? | 22:42 |
| CosmoHill | DesertZ: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1842 | 22:42 |
| CosmoHill | on wait, that's from 1.0 to 1.1 | 22:42 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-community@meego.com/msg04095.html | 22:43 |
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| vik123 | hi, can anybody help me with dual boot issues? i would like to use meego and backtrack, but it does not want to work... backtrack is on sda3 and here is the extlinux.conf: http://pastebin.com/HzbrXSbL | 22:57 |
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| madsara | Man, anyone here have meego ivi + touchscreen configured? I'm having issues with the evdev driver and my lilliput. | 23:16 |
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| Stskeeps | madsara: does the touchscreen work in xterm? | 23:17 |
| madsara | Hmmm, what do you mean? I can cat /dev/input/event9 and it'll display garbege. | 23:18 |
| madsara | It does work fine in XP, I tested that. | 23:18 |
| madsara | I'm using the evdev driver, evtouch worked a bit better (meaning that at least the cursor would move across the screen), but never had luck calibrating that either. | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | madsara: you might run into bug 15028 | 23:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15028 nor, Undecided, ---, carsten, VERI FIXED, xorg-x11-drv-evdev doesn't declare Button Left label for touchscreens even though it converts BTN_TO | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | what meego version are you on? | 23:21 |
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| DesertZ | is meego LSB 3.2 ?? | 23:21 |
| DesertZ | what LSB is meego ? | 23:21 |
| madsara | Stskeeps: 1.2 | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | madsara: could you rpm -q --changelog xorg-x11-drv-evdev ? | 23:22 |
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| madsara | http://pastebin.com/9YR72fng | 23:23 |
| DesertZ | v1.1: zypper if meego-lsb says v4.0 | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that looks wrong.. | 23:23 |
| DesertZ | is meego 1.1 LSB v4.0 ?? | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | madsara: you need one with http://build.meego.com/package/view_file?file=xorg-x11-drv-evdev.changes&package=xorg-x11-drv-evdev&project=Trunk&srcmd5=099613b6135b37077a325284bb39ba3e | 23:24 |
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| DesertZ | im installing epson-inkjet-printer-escpr-1.0.4-1lsb3.2.i486.rpm | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | madsara: the 2.4.99.901 with Carsten Munk's | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | (me :P) | 23:25 |
| madsara | Stskeeps: Ahhh, ok... can I update repo lists to pull your sin? | 23:25 |
| madsara | *yours in? | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | madsara: MeeGo 1.2 release should really have it | 23:26 |
| * DesertZ is wondering is meego v1.1 is at least LSB 3.2 | 23:26 | |
| madsara | Stskeeps: Oh, wait... cat /etc/*ele* shows MeeGo release 1.1 (MeeGo) | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | madsara: well that might explain some problems then :P | 23:27 |
| madsara | Maybe I don't have it. Yeah, sunofagun. | 23:27 |
| madsara | Is there a way to upgrade to 1.2, or should I just reinstall from the iso? | 23:28 |
| * CosmoHill pokes DesertZ | 23:29 | |
| Stskeeps | madsara: sadly upgrades aren't easy in meego as it's untested, reinstalling is properly better | 23:29 |
| * DesertZ wakes up | 23:29 | |
| Stskeeps | madsara: make sure you have 1.2.0 or higher | 23:29 |
| * DesertZ feels sad | 23:29 | |
| * CosmoHill hugs DesertZ | 23:29 | |
| Stskeeps | DesertZ: not sure if we're LSB compatible really :P what error do you get? | 23:29 |
| madsara | That's fine, I can reinstall. | 23:30 |
| * DesertZ fells a bit better. Thinks madsara needs a hug too. | 23:30 | |
| DesertZ | i did rpm -i epson... | 23:30 |
| DesertZ | found | 23:30 |
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| DesertZ | fatal needs lsb >= 3.2 | 23:30 |
| CosmoHill | installing RPMs from other distros on MeeGo is like installing Nissan car parts in a BMW, it may work or it may blowup at 70mph | 23:31 |
| DesertZ | the *is* a meego-lsb ver 4.0 | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | oh... | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | did I meantion that printers are evil? | 23:32 |
| DesertZ | shall i understan it is lsb4 and force the installation of the package? | 23:32 |
| ago2180 | what is this? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | DesertZ: can always try rpm -i --nodeps | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | ago2180: what is what? | 23:32 |
| ago2180 | meego | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | ago2180: www.meego.com | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | ago2180: www.meego.com | 23:32 |
| ago2180 | i think I havent heard about it | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | ago2180: if you're not heard of it how did you find the channel? | 23:32 |
| madsara | CosmoHill: Probably a list -yes * | 23:33 |
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| DesertZ | does gutenprint works in meego ? http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ | 23:33 |
| madsara | Then being fond of the letter m, he opted to join this channel. | 23:33 |
| berndhs | on www.meego.com, they have some fine video presentations, so you can see and hear | 23:34 |
| CosmoHill | DesertZ: check the COBS | 23:34 |
| DesertZ | what? COBS ? | 23:34 |
| DesertZ | what's that ? | 23:34 |
| CosmoHill | repo.pub.meego.com | 23:34 |
| ago2180 | its an OS? | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ago2180: more like a core for people to build products on | 23:35 |
| CosmoHill | ago2180: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo | 23:35 |
| ago2180 | oh I dunno about that | 23:35 |
| ago2180 | ok | 23:35 |
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| DesertZ | how do i search the cobs ? | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | manually? | 23:36 |
| DesertZ | daamn | 23:36 |
| ago2180 | bye | 23:37 |
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| CosmoHill | DesertZ: https://build.pub.meego.com/search/search | 23:37 |
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