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| auke | once you switch to them, they get started | 00:29 |
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| berndhs | give me another hour or so | 06:24 |
| iekku | berndhs, no! go to bed! it's time | 06:31 |
| berndhs | almost :) | 06:32 |
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| iekku | :D | 06:36 |
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| keistom | humm.. does obs have cron job to crash when work day starts? | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | keistom: WORKSFORME | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | at least build.meego.com | 08:02 |
| keistom | ok.. now it works again | 08:03 |
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| dm8tbr | keistom: there was a >20min downtime according to ##meego-dashboard | 08:20 |
| dm8tbr | probably either network or the httpd crapped out again | 08:20 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 10:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
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| lcuk | hey Jaffa | 10:51 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa is your train still overwarm | 10:54 |
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| lbt | hey guys | 11:02 |
| lbt | hey Jaffa | 11:02 |
| slaine | morning all | 11:03 |
| lbt | you may ignore the implicit Jaffa != guys there ;) | 11:03 |
| arfoll | morning | 11:05 |
| lcuk | in fremantle days component integration and testing occured because of irc conversation and feedback | 11:05 |
| * lcuk misses that interaction with os building | 11:05 | |
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| lcuk | lbt, the community edition includes a healthy mix of components from tablet ux and handset | 11:09 |
| lcuk | finding out what is happening on the tablet ux would be really beneficial to the project | 11:09 |
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| * X-Fade hands lcuk some gloves, so he can catch the code that will get thrown over the wall on release. | 11:11 | |
| lcuk | X-Fade, thanks | 11:12 |
| arfoll | you guys are assuming they haven't just scrapped it all | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: it does kind of look scrapped | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | same deal with handset UX, it was scrapped without notice | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | that was frustrating :) | 11:14 |
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| arfoll | i get the feeling we can expect a 'new' UX from intel every year | 11:16 |
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| arfoll | maybe this year it'll be one at MWC and one at IDF | 11:17 |
| Jaffa | lbt: "Jaffa != guys" - I'm just considering myself "special" ;-) | 11:20 |
| lbt | of course you are | 11:20 |
| lbt | arfoll: that's almost not a problem with the proposed new project approach | 11:21 |
| lbt | in fact it's practically encouraged | 11:21 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | What I find a bit worrying too is that I don't see a lot of activity on meego.gitorious.org from people other than Nokia. | 11:28 |
| w00t_ | or bugzilla | 11:29 |
| w00t_ | or mailing lists .. | 11:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Depressing - given that nokia has 'given up' publically. | 11:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Who knows though. | 11:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I for sure missed the right IRC chan then, to notice the chat about integration and testing of fremantle | 11:38 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, heh yeah | 11:39 |
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| lcuk | but the way of working was certainly more active | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori dropping by asking me "please elaborate on ths SSC bug in celmo fw, my team needs sth to do!" :-D | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | which finally resulted in *#-ena | 11:40 |
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| Venemo_N950 | good mornin | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | morning Venemo_N950 | 11:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey DocScrutinizer & Stskeeps :) | 11:42 |
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| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, so what's the difference between Mer and MeeGo Core? | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: as an example, no GTK in base system, or dependancies on X11 (not saying they can't be added on top) | 11:45 |
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| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, so will it be wayland-based? | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | no dependencies on X11 in core sounds rather great | 11:45 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: no, dual ability, framebuffer, wayland, xorg | 11:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's just qt lighthouse backends anyway | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: it's just you *can* get up a sshd-only system, without any x11 around | 11:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | so wayland will be there, but won't be mandatory? | 11:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhmm | 11:46 |
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| Venemo_N950 | and is wayland really THAT much better than X? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | it really simplifies things a lot | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for how, for what? | 11:47 |
| RST38h | Wayland is not X11 | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for whom* | 11:47 |
| RST38h | It is basically and access layer for the compositor | 11:47 |
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| RST38h | does not do any drawing afaik, nor does it do network transparency | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what they told me as well | 11:48 |
| lcuk | is there a window manager for wayland yet? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: WM is a very x11-y term | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | I read wayland's architecture diagram and the reasoning behind it | 11:48 |
| lcuk | the term still applies | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | it did make sense | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110419_002.jpg is technically a buffer/window manager written in QML | 11:48 |
| lcuk | to handling the collection of windows | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | though it's closer to be called a compositor | 11:48 |
| RST38h | the main reasoning behind it is "RedHat engineers want direct access to the compositor and X11 is in the way" | 11:48 |
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| Venemo_N950 | but I'm not sure if wayland's practical implementation will be that good or not | 11:49 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, right | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: and we don't always like the rationale of redhat engineers, right? | 11:49 |
| lcuk | but without a window manager actually going between those windows | 11:49 |
| lcuk | and handling the other os events | 11:49 |
| lcuk | popups and stuff | 11:49 |
| RST38h | Doc: Let us just say that Lennart is a RedHat engineer... | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant ;-D | 11:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, even something as simple as alt-tab! | 11:50 |
| lcuk | the definition of "window manager" applies :P | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen raster | 11:51 |
| infobot | raster is currently on #webos-internals (6h 21m 46s) #meego (6h 21m 46s), last said: 'it'd require serious work to make it happy'. | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: any comments on wayland? | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | miso-soup time in korea :-) | 11:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd expect raster to answer this class of requests with just an URL really ;-) | 11:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe an URL to some irc chanlog | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | first hit on google: >> raster had an opinion about Wayland and the EFL. << :-D | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | raster always has opinions ;) | 12:00 |
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| * RST38h would rather see multiple /dev/fb* devices for each layer or view port, than Wayland | 12:02 | |
| RST38h | That would be in Unix spirit rather than RedHat spirit | 12:03 |
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| Venemo_N950 | 'this aegis coffin' (as DocScrutinizer designated it), always drops my connection | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.enlightenment.devel/30520 | 12:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | without any warning or thought, either 3G or wifi, it just disappears | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Carsten's opinion regarding wayland | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | it's always so confusing when raster has same name as me | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | so what did I miss? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | nothing interesting | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Missed the words "DEVELOPER EDITION" in the status bar? | 12:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | it sucks when I start asking questions and then I get dropped when I start receiveing the answers | 12:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, those words are not missing, they're here even now | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Not like he (or you) have a choice now =) | 12:06 |
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| * Venemo_N950 wants new software for his N950 | 12:06 | |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, and what is the state of this new Mer project of yours? is it usable/working already? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: working on it, it builds, which is a start ;) | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | and i've had it booting to X + qmlviewer | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | that's nice :) | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: (get dropped) that'S what chanlog is meant for | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | can you boot it to wayland+qml? | 12:09 |
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| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, I'll add some means of gathering the chanlog to my ircclient | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | on n900 i haven't yet, as there's another issue plauging me | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: you resurrected Mer? really? | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | mer-II ??? o.O | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: just as a working nae | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | name | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | no need for new artwork, :P | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: way to go though | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn dancing in circles | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: Mer never reached 1.0 ;) | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: as you will be forking meego anyway... | 12:12 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's really a question of how much of a fork it'd be, more like a different way of putting together things and dealing with contributors | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i mean, a bash package is a bash package.. | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll start N900-minix :-P | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Well, when talking of a distro, one normally means "certain collection of packages + glue" | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: If you are changing these things, it probably qualifies as a fork :) | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ~233 source packages building qt and xorg atm | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | goal is ~400 that provides meego api | 12:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, what's the issue on N900? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: some odd technical detail about how the wayland lighthouse platform plugin works in qt | 12:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | sounds weird | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Are you going to strip some though? | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Or are they all needed? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: meego's 1400 and i already cut out the LaTeX dependancy of iputils | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be surprised how many packages just exist, to generate autogenerated docs | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:15 |
| RST38h | ufff... meego REALLY requires Latex??? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not in install base but in build | 12:15 |
| RST38h | I am not surprised, I had to deal with this before in SuSE | 12:15 |
| RST38h | You probably also have a Fortran dependency (comes via gcc->f2c->f77) | 12:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what those distro maintainers are doing whole day thru | 12:15 | |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: not sure i have a f77.. but let me look | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | BTW, is Meego Tablet UX public and is it in decent enough shape to use it as a base? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the engineers put together a nice lean fast working stable system, then the kernel gurus come and raid all over it, bitching about "layering violation!" and messing up /sys pathes each other week. Then distro maintainers come to it and do damage to nasty | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's public but there's irritating things like graphics only existing for 'meego compliant' devices.. | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Doc: The solution is to switch to PicoBSD =) | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | my core won't contain UX'es or hardware adaptations, they layer longside in different projects | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: oh | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | so you can combine core + ux + hardware adaptation = image | 12:18 |
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| RST38h | nah, you will never get to this stage then | 12:19 |
| RST38h | somebody has to do this, and if nobody is interested, then it is a no go =( | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Those plus signs will not magically materialize | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | THEN comes adridiot folks adding their latest ACME kernel patches, and you know you're on a highway to hell :-P | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: of course | 12:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, so there will be no version of Mer with the N900 hw adaptation | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: Mer built for armv7hl will exist, with N900 hw adaptation built against it | 12:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | that's good :) | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | all the pieces are out there, just keeping the core small and usable in many different circumstances | 12:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | I understand | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: theory sounds good | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | practice may be different, agreed | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no criticism | 12:22 |
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| Venemo_N950 | but one thing I don't understand | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | you said MeeGo likes to work upstream, so why don't they just push the N900 bits to upstream kernel and be done with it? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | we do, actually | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | but some things take longer time for philosophical reasons | 12:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | also, DocScrutinizer, I'm not sure if you checked or not, do you know if there's been any progress with those accelerometer drivers? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | upstream doesn't mean it will magically go in the instant you submit it, even if the patch is fine | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: Stskeeps should know | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don'T think so | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, let's not go into the accelerometer discussion | 12:24 |
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| Venemo_N950 | :P | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | i've dealt with reading abill_uk's crap today and not in a mood for accelerometers | 12:25 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: what a nice way to say that arm in linux is a mess... | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh poor fella | 12:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, why do you care about abill? | 12:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: i don't, but fairly prone to criticism | 12:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | thought you no longer care about tmo | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | i read it still | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Jaffa pointed me to the ignore feature on tmo | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Works pretty well, kills abill_uk dead | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: a mistake | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i do think so | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I stopped reading tmo since long | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bad thing when i consider you (docscrutinizer) as sane and occasionally very constructive, compared to him ;) | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apart from occasinal dropping by when somebody links me to sth | 12:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | :D | 12:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer ++ | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Doc is just stubborn and grumpy | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But abill is plain mentally sick, sorry | 12:29 |
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| RST38h | Not in a creative way too, like that Polish guy. | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: I bitched about general (missing) event driven design here in #meego just yesterday. accel drivers are just on example of the larger cause | 12:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhmm | 12:30 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, what are the other examples? | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: sorry, I'm not (yet) in a mood to go across it | 12:30 |
| RST38h | what do accel driver have to do with event driven design? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | anywwaay | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | lunch? | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:31 |
| * Stskeeps is hungry. | 12:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: event as in "trigger an IRQ when due" | 12:31 |
| RST38h | in 30 minutes. | 12:31 |
| RST38h | ah, ok | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a solid amount of ignorance in designs like "A polls B polls C polls D" | 12:32 |
| RST38h | you cannot teach every Chinese engineer they hire off the street every 2 months about IRQs | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's maybe the point, yes | 12:32 |
| RST38h | so, don't be hard on them, they are doing it the only way they know | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | andway, other topic please | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Doc: reconstruction of bubonic plague germ? | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (lunch) if you look at the clock every 10 minutes, to decide whether it's lunch time or not, that's polling. When you use an alarm clock set to 12:30 or asked a colleague to ping you when (s)he goes to lunch, that's event drivven aka IRQ :-P | 12:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just going to lunch when you notice you're hungry also is IRQ :-) | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/samsung-galaxy-note-official-5-3-inch-super-amoled-display-s/?utm_campaign=JoaoLuisC&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_source=SNS.analytics | 12:59 |
| lcuk | who can help me to make a business plan to do a meego suite of sketching apps professionally | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | make a company first? | 13:01 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, indeed and I am organising what I can | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: http://pastie.org/2464922 - per-port prjconf | 13:29 |
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| RST38h | Samsung Galaxy Note announced: 5.3-inch display, built-in-stylus, custom 'S Pen' apps | 13:43 |
| * RST38h tempted | 13:43 | |
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| lcuk | RST38h, looks pretty but we really should have a suite of meego pen apps \@/ | 13:45 |
| * lcuk been trying to make them for long enough | 13:45 | |
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| RST38h | lcuk: It is an android phone, it has got android apps | 13:47 |
| RST38h | Frm Samsung too, so they will be crappy most likely | 13:48 |
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| luist | hey where do i get meego-rpm-config | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | Trunk | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:03 |
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| luist | link? | 14:05 |
| lcuk | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/meego-rpm-config was updated in may | 14:05 |
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| luist | where do i get this livecd image that is used in this example: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Running_mic-chroot | 14:14 |
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| luist | when are we getting ubuntu 11.04 devel environment? | 14:43 |
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| chouchoune | luist: do you mean Meego SDK for Ubuntu 11.04 ? | 14:52 |
| chouchoune | it's available IIRC | 14:52 |
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| chouchoune | http://developer.meego.com/meego-sdk | 14:53 |
| hhony | how can I get some older SRC RPM's (different versions than what is available on meego repo). I need the exact src versions as the RPM's from build 1.1.99/1.1.99.4.20110426.4/ | 14:55 |
| hhony | And the SRC's from that build folder are slightly different (in release number) than the RPM's | 14:56 |
| luist | chouchoune, well i need to make a chroot to develop | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | hhony: check archive.meego.com maybe | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | hhony: ARM or X86 source packages | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 14:57 |
| hhony | ARM | 14:57 |
| hhony | armv7l | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | hhony: OK, you're running into bug 9671 | 14:57 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9671 cri, High, ---, anas.nashif, VERI FIXED, Source RPMs are not published for ARMv7 packages, only for X86 | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | it was solved afterwards that time | 14:57 |
| hhony | so you mean for that build, the sources are not available anymore? only for later builds? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | after that date that the bug was fixed | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | -but- | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | for 97% of the packages, the source packages are equal to eachother | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | for arm and ix86 | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | just different rebuild count | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | it is more along lines that "they weren't available due to a script error" | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | not 'anymore' :) | 15:00 |
| hhony | that was my assumption too, I was just nort sure | 15:00 |
| hhony | and for the rest of 3%? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to you can pull specific revisions through the OBS's public interface | 15:01 |
| hhony | could there be patches and stuff? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | rest of 3% are probably similar or relevant only to nokia n900 | 15:02 |
| hhony | aha | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | it was a bad situation and it's fixed now (as i noted in the bug) | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | are you trying to do a 1.2 softfp build or? | 15:03 |
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| hhony | ok, one more thing: where is OBS's public interface? | 15:03 |
| hhony | I have a rootfs with the RPM's already installed | 15:03 |
| hhony | from that build | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | build.meego.com and api.meego.com/public can be programmatically used to get specific revisions | 15:03 |
| hhony | now I need also the sources | 15:03 |
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| hhony | I see | 15:04 |
| hhony | ok, thanks a lot, man ! | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | np | 15:04 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping re http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4406 | 15:43 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, still looking at it. Will update. | 15:45 |
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| berndhs | morning | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | morning berndhs \o | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 16:06 |
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| * CosmoHill got an interview :) | 16:20 | |
| Bostik | congrats | 16:20 |
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| berndhs | deny everything, fake alzheimers | 16:26 |
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| luist | how do i set time for my meego chroot from command line? | 16:29 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: break a leg :-) | 16:29 |
| CosmoHill | luist: you mean like "date"? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Moooo Myrtti | 16:30 |
| luist | CosmoHill, yes | 16:30 |
| luist | date displays wrong time | 16:30 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: baa | 16:30 |
| CosmoHill | luist: type "man date" | 16:31 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Does it work for you now? | 16:39 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Kick off a rebuild? | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, it's already building. Cool | 17:13 |
| javispedro | ah, is Harmattan COBS up again? | 17:13 |
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| X-Fade | It should build again, yes. | 17:13 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa&repository=Harmattan has been on "Updating" for a while, with no actual log... | 17:18 |
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| berndhs | X-Fade: Jaffa: same here https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=e6irc&project=home%3Aearthling&repository=Harmattan | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, that is onther bug. It sometimes doesn't show the live build log. | 17:19 |
| javispedro | ah, the updating... thing :) | 17:19 |
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| berndhs | actually mine did just finish, the log says "rpc timeout" | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | same here, right now | 17:21 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, what are you planning to use your Raspberry Pi for? | 17:42 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps: nice work on armv6 port bootstraping | 17:43 |
| arfoll | is this special mer obs going to be accessible to the public? | 17:43 |
| arfoll | s/public/me | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: http://monster.tspre.org:2080/project/show?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase:armv6l | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: i'm not sure entirely on contribution model and how people can build against it due to limited resources | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | but i have some interesting ideas | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: javispedro: Ditto | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | such as a fake OBS that allows anyone with a freely available account to check out a package and when you commit, it turns into a request that is run through build testing and other stuff | 17:44 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps: awesome. would you mind if I tried to build xbmc on it? | 17:45 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, "fake" OBS? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: no api available right now, but yes, let's try when we have some stuff that boots :P | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: my OBS is like four worker strong so it's not really big :) | 17:45 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps: cool. well they are ramworkers no? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: yeah | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | so obviously faster, but fewer | 17:46 |
| arfoll | much better for bootstrapping | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | i already regret not getting the 24gb mem server | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | but let's see.. | 17:47 |
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| arfoll | how much ram are you running on those 2 servers? | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | one server, 12gb ram and workers + obs in KVMs | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | the ports are designed in such a way you can distribute them across multiple OBS'es, so i hope we'll be able to move some things to other hosts eventually | 17:48 |
| arfoll | cool, well hopefully raspberry guys will get you a pi soon | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'm actually not expecting one :) hopefully we'll be able to get things going quite trivially | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | and someone like vgrade or others can work with it | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | if there's GLES on ubuntu with xorg then it should be easier | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | (i have too many boards at home.) | 17:51 |
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| siddvicious | Stskeeps: hiya :) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 17:52 |
| siddvicious | is there any application to create meego avatar of person ? | 17:53 |
| siddvicious | i want one, meego supporter :P | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | look around on forums | 17:53 |
| Myrtti | oh boy | 17:54 |
| Myrtti | just went looking at tmo. MISTAKE. | 17:54 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps: hopefully GLES will work well and booting will not be too weird and it'll be a great low cost arm meego dev kit | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | (and qt) | 17:54 |
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| siddvicious | Stskeeps: keeps i think usb mode switch package should also be available in meego distribution cause if some one has meego network switch | 17:56 |
| siddvicious | oops wimax network usb | 17:56 |
| siddvicious | like me :P | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | arfoll: My hope would be someone like Stskeeps can focus on maintaining a minimal core and then another project can build on that to provide device adaptation (for example, HDMI output drivers for Raspberry Pi) | 17:57 |
| arfoll | Jaffa: oh i totally agree, core should have no HW adaptation bits. all that should be in seperate projects | 17:58 |
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| jedix | Where does meego save the HW address to ensure ethernet devices have the same numbering? | 18:03 |
| jedix | is that connman or the distro doing this? | 18:03 |
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| jedix | somewhere in /etc/sysconfig? | 18:06 |
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| jedix | no.. | 18:08 |
| jedix | maybe osmewhere in /var | 18:08 |
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| ali1234 | jedix: what do you mean? | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | HW address is normally stored in the ethernet card rom | 18:14 |
| jedix | yes | 18:14 |
| jedix | but I copied the image and booted it on another machine and that machine has eth1 instead of 0 now | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | you mean lik eeth0, eth1 etc? | 18:15 |
| jedix | yeah, it seems ot remember what hw address -> eth# | 18:15 |
| jedix | then restores it | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 18:15 |
| jedix | so eth0 is already `taken`.. | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | try grepping for the hw address | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | with and without : | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | and case insensitive | 18:15 |
| jedix | yeah | 18:15 |
| jedix | in what dir? | 18:16 |
| jedix | /var or /etc? | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | / | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | i know network manager saves it in /etc | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | but that isn't much use on meego | 18:16 |
| jedix | /var/lib/connman/ has it, but clearing htat out didn't fix it | 18:17 |
| javispedro | network manager does mac -> eth# mapping? O.o | 18:17 |
| javispedro | on my distro at least that's udev | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | then, maybe on meego it is the same | 18:17 |
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| ali1234 | or does meego not use udev? | 18:18 |
| javispedro | but every distro writes those rules the way they felt that morning | 18:18 |
| javispedro | s/those rules/udev rules | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | well, on ubuntu it is on /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | maybe meego is similar. look in /etc/udev | 18:18 |
| jedix | k | 18:18 |
| javispedro | oh, I see that's the case on Gentoo too :) | 18:19 |
| jedix | yep! | 18:19 |
| jedix | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="e0:69:95:4f:3e:c1", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" | 18:19 |
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| ali1234 | yes looks familiar | 18:19 |
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| Nueemann | Could anyone here answer a quick question? | 18:21 |
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| annma | Nueemann: just ask the question | 18:23 |
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| Nueemann | This is probably an ameturish question, but. I have Ubuntu/Windows 7 dual booted on my netbook, and it has 3 partitions. Two are windows (OS and Recovery) and the other is ext4 formatted for Ubuntu. Would it be possible to simply format the ext4 partition and install meego replacing Ubuntu? | 18:25 |
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| annma | Nueemann: yes you can do that | 18:32 |
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| Nueemann | Would meego setup the bootloader itself after I install or would I have to do that. | 18:32 |
| annma | get a Meego USB iso and boot from it and choose the partition | 18:32 |
| annma | Meego has a bootloader | 18:33 |
| Nueemann | Alright. I'm downloading the ISO now. | 18:33 |
| Nueemann | I already was. | 18:33 |
| annma | not sure about Windows though | 18:33 |
| annma | I installed easily Meego along Wetab OS | 18:33 |
| annma | the only thing is that the bool loader is timeout to 1 whichmakes it vanish immediately | 18:34 |
| annma | boot | 18:34 |
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| Nueemann | Not exactly sure what that meant. | 18:34 |
| annma | never looked at a boot loader file? | 18:34 |
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| Nueemann | Not really. I'm not an expert with Linux. | 18:34 |
| annma | there's a variable that sets the time the boot loader is displayed | 18:34 |
| Nueemann | You mean the amount of time | 18:35 |
| Nueemann | Like in seconds | 18:35 |
| annma | try searching the internet for dual boot meego windows then | 18:35 |
| annma | yes | 18:35 |
| Nueemann | I did | 18:35 |
| Nueemann | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=1900#post1900 Got that | 18:35 |
| Nueemann | It's for XP though. | 18:35 |
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| annma | yes that's what I mean | 18:36 |
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| annma | as long as you know your partitions names you'll befine | 18:37 |
| annma | Meego will ask you where to install and you'll choose custom | 18:37 |
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| annma | doyou have a /boot partition for it? | 18:37 |
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| Nueemann | One sec. | 18:37 |
| Nueemann | Gonna check something. | 18:37 |
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| Nueemann | Running in windows, how would I check my partitions? | 18:40 |
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| annma | Nueemann: sorry my laptop suddenly shuts down | 18:49 |
| Nueemann | S'allright | 18:49 |
| annma | maybe it heats too much | 18:49 |
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| Nueemann | Not sure if you saw it, but I asked how I would check my partitions in Windows. | 18:49 |
| Nueemann | And the simpler the explination the better. | 18:49 |
| annma | fdisk in terminal probably | 18:51 |
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| Nueemann | Running in Windows right now. | 18:52 |
| Nueemann | Waiting for the ISO to finish downloading. | 18:52 |
| Nueemann | Or I might not know what fdisk is. My bad. | 18:53 |
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| vgrade | Nueemann, http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/creating-multi-boot-exopc-tablet-meego/ | 18:56 |
| CosmoHill | Nueemann: you want to view the partition layout of your hard drive from windows? | 18:56 |
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| Nueemann | I have Ubuntu and Windows 7 dual booted, I'm trying to format my partition with Ubuntu and dual boot Meego in it's place. | 18:56 |
| CosmoHill | do you have a seperate boot partition? | 18:58 |
| Nueemann | I'm not 100% sure. | 18:58 |
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| Nueemann | I have a feeling that the bootloader is installed with Ubuntu. | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | if you format ubtuntu from windows and you don't have a /boot partition you will whip out your boot loader | 18:58 |
| annma | Nueemann: a /boot partition is a small partition | 18:58 |
| CosmoHill | wipe* | 18:58 |
| annma | with the bootloader installed on it | 18:59 |
| Nueemann | When viewing the Disk Management software in Windows, there is a 199MB partition at the start of the drive. | 18:59 |
| CosmoHill | Nueemann: what format? | 18:59 |
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| Nueemann | Followed by the Win7, Win7 Recovery, and Ubuntu partitions. | 18:59 |
| * CosmoHill puts his Win7 partition | 18:59 | |
| Nueemann | It doesn't give a format. | 19:00 |
| Nueemann | Leading me to assume it isn't NTFS | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | I'll show you my partitions on my multiboot laptop | 19:00 |
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| Nueemann | I'll check the format with another program. One sec. | 19:01 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, how long before your colour upgrades are painted onto the n900-ce? :) | 19:01 |
| lcuk | hi CosmoHill | 19:01 |
| CosmoHill | hey lcuk | 19:01 |
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| Nueemann | The partition at the start of the drive is an NTFS File System. 199MB size. Labeled as "SYSTEM" | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | Nueemann: okay, that is windows | 19:02 |
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| Nueemann | The one after that is 117 GB and has Win7 on it. | 19:02 |
| Nueemann | And following that is 20GB with Ubuntu | 19:02 |
| Nueemann | Then the Recovery partition for Win7. | 19:03 |
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| Nueemann | So without a /boot partition, when I wipe Ubuntu, the netbook will not boot? | 19:04 |
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| annma | you need to resize your Ubuntu partition to make a /boot one and a / one | 19:04 |
| Nueemann | Problem: Max of 4 partitions. I have 4. | 19:05 |
| annma | you need an extended one | 19:05 |
| Nueemann | The SYSTEM one, Win7, Ubuntu, Recovery. | 19:05 |
| annma | make Ubuntu extended | 19:05 |
| Nueemann | Not a tech expert. I can follow instructions without killing the netbook, but expecting me to know how to do it isn't great. | 19:05 |
| annma | I am not an expert either | 19:06 |
| annma | if you install another OS on your machine you're becoming an expert | 19:06 |
| Nueemann | So I have to make the 19.5GB Ubuntu partition extended? | 19:06 |
| * slonopotamus yawns | 19:07 | |
| annma | I think so | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | Nueemann: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/partitions.png | 19:07 |
| Nueemann | damn | 19:08 |
| Nueemann | Cosmo, any suggestion on doing this? | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | I'd just install meego over the top of ubuntu, this would replace it's boot loader | 19:08 |
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| slonopotamus | windoze screenshots in #meego. no wai. | 19:09 |
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| Nueemann | Would I still be able to dual boot? | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | you could also try "fixmbr" from windows | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: yes but it says linux a lot | 19:09 |
| Nueemann | Basically, in simple terms, installing Meego over Ubuntu (Wiping the partition in the progress) would replace the GRUB bootloader with the one Meego uses? | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | however | 19:10 |
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| CosmoHill | you need to make sure it doesn't wipe windows off your system | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | you may also need to add Windows to the meego boot loader manually, if it's grub that's pretty easy | 19:10 |
| Nueemann | Wouldn't not wiping windows just be making sure to use the already existing partiton? | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | I've not installed meego on any system before so I'm not so sure of the parition options at installation | 19:11 |
| Nueemann | Worst case scenario is that I have to wipe the whole hard drive. Which isn't the end of the world, but I'd kind of rather keep Windows. | 19:11 |
| Nueemann | Just in case I need it. | 19:11 |
| Nueemann | Just that Ubuntu is being useless to me (Running slowly, stuff crashes), and Meego looks like my best netbook friendly option. | 19:12 |
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| CosmoHill | I need to replace RHEL 6 with Fedora 15 on my laptop | 19:14 |
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| slonopotamus_ | it's 2.5x better? :) | 19:14 |
| Nueemann | I could probably wipe the computer altogether and dual boot Meego and Fuduntu. | 19:14 |
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| slonopotamus | Nueemann: just install it in a VM. it's the only safe place. | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | it's free | 19:15 |
| Nueemann | Install which in a VM | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | it also confuses the pop out of your friends when you alt tab between OSes | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | Meego | 19:15 |
| Nueemann | ah | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo can't host VMs | 19:15 |
| slonopotamus | meego is linux, isn't it? | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | linux can host VMs | 19:16 |
| Nueemann | Well, that brings me back to my problem. I need to replace Ubuntu. | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: you've have to recompile the kernel and install all the required packages yourself | 19:16 |
| Nueemann | With something netbook friendly. | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | Nueemann: like, netbook-a-buntu? :) | 19:16 |
| Nueemann | Ubuntu doesn't have a netbook version anymore. | 19:17 |
| Nueemann | The merged it with their new UI, which is horrendous. | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | Nueemann: zenwalk? Fedora 15, LFS | 19:17 |
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| slonopotamus | Nueemann: so what's the problem? you saved all important data from ubuntu partition? if yes, just install other os there. | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | Nueemann: you might want to consider a /home partition | 19:18 |
| Nueemann | I'm trying to not make this confusing, lol. | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | you can have one /home partition between multiple distros | 19:19 |
| Nueemann | If it's to avoid getting rid of Ubuntu, it doesn't matter. | 19:20 |
| Nueemann | I'd rather use a different distro. | 19:20 |
| CosmoHill | another advantage of a home partition is you can replace the distro and keep your data | 19:20 |
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| Nueemann | I don't have any important data on the partition either. | 19:20 |
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| Nueemann | I have an external HD with all my data backed up. | 19:21 |
| Nueemann | And I used it for most of my storage. | 19:21 |
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| slonopotamus | so what's the problem? all modern OSes allow you to choose partition to install to. | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | not meego 1.3 | 19:22 |
| slonopotamus | :/ | 19:23 |
| Nueemann | My original problem was that I wanted to dual boot Meego. But I might go with another distro. | 19:23 |
| Nueemann | to avoid that | 19:23 |
| slonopotamus | ali1234: sarcasm? | 19:23 |
| Nueemann | I mean avoid problems | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | slonopotamus: no, just a fact | 19:23 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 19:23 |
| Nueemann | All I really need is a lightweight distro that will run well on my netbook. | 19:23 |
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| Nueemann | Preferrably one that I can use VLC on as well. | 19:24 |
| slonopotamus | even if it doesn't, you can just manually copy over rootfs contents and setup boot loader appropriately | 19:24 |
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| Nueemann | How heavy is Fedora 15 running LXDE? | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | you can run vlc on anything that has qt | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | and codecs | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | which meego is rather lacking | 19:27 |
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| arfoll | add home:arfoll:codecs ;-) | 19:27 |
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| slonopotamus | approx as heavy as debian running lxde | 19:28 |
| slonopotamus | and approx as heavy as ubuntu running lxde | 19:28 |
| slonopotamus | (gentoo is the lightest of course) :P | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: LFS is lighter | 19:29 |
| Nueemann | I think I looked at Gentoo as an option. | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | "light" linux is basically a waste of everyone's time | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: sure | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | by the time you have installed firefox, codecs, flash, im, office, etc, it isn't light any more | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | then again LFS is more of an experience that a distro | 19:30 |
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| slonopotamus | ali1234: don't tell me meego is so broken that you cannot ./configure && make && make install codecs | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | you could do but what is the point? | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | if you want to do that use LFS | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | if you want a distro that just works, there is fedora or ubuntu | 19:31 |
| * CosmoHill would recommend fedora | 19:32 | |
| slonopotamus | Nueemann: just use ubuntu :) | 19:32 |
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| ali1234 | don't pick fedora if you need a lot of help | 19:32 |
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| ali1234 | because fedora users are all jerks | 19:32 |
| Nueemann | I am using Ubuntu. It's causing problems. | 19:32 |
| * CosmoHill is a total douche | 19:32 | |
| Nueemann | And Unity is ugly and unwieldy to me. | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | you probably won't like meego netbook either then | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | Nueemann: why not try xfce or kde? | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | there's more than one DE in ubuntu | 19:33 |
| Nueemann | I know there's more DEs. I thought of Lubuntu as well. | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | or LFX, something like that I can't remember | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | Nueemann: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 19:33 |
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| Nueemann | Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu | 19:33 |
| Nueemann | The main 4. | 19:34 |
| Nueemann | There's Mythbuntu too | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | and voila, you have kde in your ubuntu. | 19:34 |
| slaine | New toy for my IdeaPad, yfrog.com/hwbqesj | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | KDE is really the only one that is even half way usable | 19:34 |
| arfoll | slaine: on #meego how dare you | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | and it is even more resource intensive than gnome/unity | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | Nueemann: the _only_ difference between them is default software installed. | 19:34 |
| arfoll | but is that real honeycomb? | 19:34 |
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| Nueemann | Gonna switch to Ubuntu. | 19:35 |
| Nueemann | Like, reboot my comp. | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | via apt-get, you can have a system that is a union of all those *buntu. or neither of them | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | slonopotamus: installing more than one *bunutu-desktop is a really bad idea | 19:36 |
| * CosmoHill used to say that ubuntu was vista with a different kernel | 19:36 | |
| slonopotamus | ali1234: no kittems died when i did that, i checked | 19:36 |
| Nueemann | I can stay with Ubuntu or switch to Fedora. | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | if you install kde and gnome then you get shortcuts to all kde programs in gnome, and shortcuts to all gnome programs in kde | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | this doesn't really affect kde since it's start menu is a complete mess | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | but the gnome start menu grows by a factor of about 5 | 19:37 |
| Nueemann | Might wait for Ubuntu 11.10 and see if things are any better. | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | you can also run into problems when you dist-upgrade | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | when your install transforms into a totally different one for no reason | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | that actually happened to me once | 19:38 |
| * slonopotamus didn't see any big signs with red letters like "NEVER EVER INSTALL GNOME AND KDE ON UBUNTU AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S UNSUPPORTED" | 19:38 | |
| Nueemann | lol | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | i installed kde on ubuntu to test, at next dist-upgrade, gnome was deleted and install became full kubuntu | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | i was not amused | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: it's like having two girlfriends, just cos you can doesn't mean it's a good idea | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | since then i don't do dist-upgrades any more | 19:39 |
| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: you know, there can be more than one user on one computer | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | actually I'd forgotten that | 19:40 |
| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: and they might want different DEs | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | oh sure, it is supported | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | it just doesn't work very well | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | it's supported in the sense that if you report bugs about it, they won't be immediately closed wontfix | 19:40 |
| slonopotamus | that's the same guarantees you have with any software | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:41 |
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| ali1234 | but some software is less buggy | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | windows ME was an ant farm | 19:42 |
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| slonopotamus | offtopic: meego website on n900 is a total mess | 19:43 |
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| slonopotamus | where's "download" button? :/ | 19:45 |
| * slonopotamus is very close to fail trying meego | 19:46 | |
| slonopotamus | ah, s/meego.org/meego.com/ | 19:47 |
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| CosmoHill | https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | i naively assumed meego is noncommercial | 19:47 |
| Khertan | is there a reason cobs being so slow to build a simple package and publish it to the repo for harmattan target ? | 19:48 |
| slonopotamus | nice, meego doesn't work on amd cpus. | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | it runs on amd's with SSSE3 | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | if someone has run Meego on an AMD with SSSE3 I'll add it to the page | 19:51 |
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| slonopotamus | which aren't sold yet? | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus | hmm, looks like bobcat already is | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | i thought they were | 19:52 |
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| CosmoHill | supported_processors? | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | any processors not on the list that should be? (Intel) | 19:55 |
| lcuk | which list? | 19:55 |
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| Khertan | re s | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors | 19:55 |
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| slonopotamus | according to internets, bobcat should also be supported (and sold) and bulldozer should be supported (but not sold yet) | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | hi Khertan | 20:04 |
| lcuk | how is your editor coming along on n950? | 20:04 |
| Khertan | some things still missing | 20:05 |
| Khertan | like search or preferences | 20:05 |
| Khertan | because doing qml borring me | 20:05 |
| Khertan | but else it s useable :) | 20:05 |
| Khertan | if cobs want to create the package | 20:05 |
| Khertan | (and it s really faster than on an n900) | 20:05 |
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| Khertan | and hi lcuk :) | 20:09 |
| Khertan | and you did you plan release liquid based apps ? | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, they do what I want them to, when professional version is completed it will be available | 20:12 |
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| * CosmoHill has changed the Supported Processor page to include some AMDs and to ask to be contacted for changes / updates | 20:37 | |
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| lcuk | thanks CosmoHill :D | 20:46 |
| CosmoHill | np | 20:46 |
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| CosmoHill | unless lot of people contact me | 20:48 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, amended your note and started monitoring the page | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | i should put this on the wiki | 20:48 |
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| lcukn901 | araujo i will redo those in a few minutes, smoking atm | 22:40 |
| araujo | lcukn901, ok :) | 22:41 |
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| xiaobaojkl2000 | no one want to say something about meego ? | 23:45 |
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| auke | what would you like to hear about MeeGo? | 23:46 |
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| berndhs | young people, so impatient | 23:49 |
| arfoll | berndhs: you can see age on IRC? | 23:49 |
| berndhs | I go by the degree of impatience :) | 23:50 |
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| auke | I can be impatient... | 23:50 |
| berndhs | some people dont have a choice | 23:52 |
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