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| npm | does the "meego 1.2.0.2" build cover tablet-UX or only Netbook? -- and where is "kernel-adaptation-pinetrail" ? | 01:06 |
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| npm | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.2.0/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -- no "adaptation pinetrail" | 01:07 |
| npm | whereas other repos have ithttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.12.20110809.2/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-8.26.i586.rpm | 01:09 |
| npm | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.12.20110809.2/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-8.26.i586.rpm | 01:09 |
| lcuk2 | npm, the pinetrail adaption is a new kernel | 01:10 |
| lcuk2 | there are adaption kernels as required afaik? | 01:10 |
| lcuk2 | npm, the tablet ux has always been preview and how it is progressing is anybodies guess | 01:11 |
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| CosmoHill | 23:30:21 up 640 days, 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.16, 0.04, 0.01 | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | huzzar! | 01:30 |
| berndhs | all right | 01:32 |
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| * npm finds http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/i586/kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-8.26.i586.rpm | 01:41 | |
| npm | but then again i'm aleady running that from kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-8.26.i586 | 01:42 |
| npm | so is http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.12.20110809.2/repos/oss/ia32/packages the latest tablet UX 1.2? | 01:42 |
| npm | ^^ thought i could upgrade to something better | 01:43 |
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| zwrench | How can I install apt-get on Meego? | 03:27 |
| zwrench | I upgraded from moblin and now there isn't apt-get | 03:28 |
| pixelgeek | zwrench: zypper? | 03:30 |
| zwrench | what is zypper? | 03:30 |
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| pixelgeek | like apt-get :) | 03:30 |
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| zwrench | garage isn't working for me | 03:31 |
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| pixelgeek | there's not much there | 03:31 |
| zwrench | ok | 03:31 |
| pixelgeek | A lot of talk going on about how to populate the community app repos | 03:31 |
| zwrench | can zypper open any packages that apt-get can | 03:32 |
| zwrench | like libreoffice | 03:32 |
| berndhs | there are a large number of home: repos | 03:32 |
| zwrench | Can it open Debian packages | 03:33 |
| berndhs | zwrench: no | 03:33 |
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| berndhs | zypper opens rpm packages | 03:33 |
| pixelgeek | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=14110 | 03:34 |
| pixelgeek | I haven't tried but I bet you could zypper -install apt-get ... | 03:35 |
| pixelgeek | Maybe? | 03:35 |
| berndhs | sure if you find a repo that supplies apt-get | 03:36 |
| berndhs | but what for, pretty much anything available as .deb is also available as .rpm | 03:37 |
| zwrench | is meego not based off of debian? | 03:38 |
| berndhs | no | 03:38 |
| zwrench | I just tried to install Libreoffice and it didn't work | 03:39 |
| berndhs | meego is its own rpm-based distro | 03:39 |
| zwrench | can someone link me to a useful guide to using zypper to install libreoffice or another comparable program? | 03:39 |
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| N1Nja_ | WTF is meego | 06:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | who the fuck are you? | 06:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 06:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | and yes, I can say that, given your wonderfully ascerbic entrance. | 06:11 |
| N1Nja_ | ... Delayed | 06:12 |
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| N1Nja_ | Walawala | 06:14 |
| N1Nja_ | TSCHAKeee: Who the FUCK are you? | 06:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | N1Nja_: I am a regular here. | 06:16 |
| N1Nja_ | Ah nvm | 06:16 |
| N1Nja_ | So what is meego | 06:16 |
| N1Nja_ | Linux distro? | 06:17 |
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| reikalusikka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo | 06:28 |
| iekku | morning | 06:31 |
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| Stskeeps | morn TSCHAKeee | 08:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | hey Stskeeps | 08:16 |
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| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 08:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | it goes, am here doing family stuff with Lana... | 08:16 |
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| Stskeeps | morn smoku | 08:26 |
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| smoku | 'bry Stskeeps | 08:32 |
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| dm8tbr | 'bry smoku i Stskeeps | 08:36 |
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| biedro | morning | 08:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/29/nokia-windows-phone-brand-poll/ | 08:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I have some suggestions, but have a feeling Nokia is unlikely to adopt them. | 08:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | How about "Frankenfail"? | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Osbourne? | 08:42 |
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| w00t_ | TwoTurkeys | 08:43 |
| TonyS | Hello, I need some help in regurards to N900, uboot, and MeeGo | 08:43 |
| biedro | Alison_Chaiken, lets see - from UX point of view wp7 phone is not that bd ;) maybe Nokia will get tons of money to invest back into meego | 08:43 |
| Alison_Chaiken | biedro, there won't be even one MeeGo developer left at Nokia by then. MS has already said, "We don't need any software from Nokia" and they will have bought Nokia outright by then. | 08:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Osbourne is good, Stskeeps! | 08:44 |
| TonyS | Could anyone help me find a solution to this problem; http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4400 | 08:45 |
| dm8tbr | TonyS: how did you end up with this? | 08:45 |
| TonyS | How do you mean, sir? | 08:46 |
| dm8tbr | TonyS: the images created by mic should have the right partition layout | 08:46 |
| TonyS | I did not use that partition layout | 08:46 |
| dm8tbr | how did you create that layout then? | 08:46 |
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| TonyS | sfdisk | 08:47 |
| TonyS | then i used dd to flash the induival meego images onto the SD card's partitions | 08:47 |
| TonyS | I know uBoot automatically looks for p3 for FAT images thus i left that, i just swapped p1 to p2 | 08:47 |
| dm8tbr | well, you would not run into this problem if you'd just take the image and dd it over the whole card | 08:48 |
| TonyS | I tried that at first | 08:48 |
| TonyS | but I had a few issues... | 08:48 |
| TonyS | 1) The card was no longer readable by Maemo since p1 was EXT4 | 08:48 |
| biedro | Alison_Chaiken, :( sounds terrible | 08:48 |
| TonyS | 2) The SD card was no longer useable by any windows PC | 08:49 |
| Alison_Chaiken | biedro, lots of MeeGo devs may go to work on WP7 for all I know. Or maybe WP7 on SeaRay will be a giant success . . . | 08:49 |
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| dm8tbr | TonyS: well you're in for some work then. among other things you need to change the kernel command line (probably in the uboot config) | 08:50 |
| TonyS | So I just need to know how to get it to point to p2 instead of p1... and I should be good to go (hopefully) | 08:50 |
| TonyS | I was thinking a better solution would be boot.scr, however I know very little about uboot... | 08:52 |
| TonyS | By placing boot.scr into the FAT directory and having everything pointing in the right place, I believe it should find root in mmcblk1p2 | 08:53 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders why meego isn't distributed as a rootfs tarball. forcing same partition layout on all random storage media it might be installed on is really weird. | 08:54 | |
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| TonyS | Does any one have any ideas on how to solve my problem, I plan on loading NITDroid N12 onto p4 and then making an image of that to release to the Maemo community so they can try out NITDroid without losing their storage space... | 08:56 |
| iekku | TonyS, are you sure you are on right channel, what comes to maemo questions.. | 08:58 |
| dm8tbr | slonopotamus: that's what's happening for the N950 but it has a different boot sequence | 08:58 |
| TonyS | Here is a copy of my partition table, just incase any of you were curious; | 08:58 |
| TonyS | Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk1p1 0+ 1161 1162- 9333733+ b W95 FAT32 /dev/mmcblk1p2 1162 1683 522 4192965 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk1p3 1684 1687 4 32130 6 FAT16 /dev/mmcblk1p4 1688 1948 261 2096482+ 83 Linux c | 08:58 |
| dm8tbr | that's garbled, use pastebing, tnx | 08:58 |
| TonyS | As you could see I would have a lot of unpartioned space if I just installed MeeGo, now I have 9GB of storage and 2GB on p4 to load NITDroid... | 08:59 |
| dm8tbr | slonopotamus: the N950 has a own partition that's reserved for MeeGo CE and MOSLO exports it over USB so you can just dump everything there from tar and boot meego | 08:59 |
| TonyS | I apologize, I am not very good at using IRC, I am using http://webchat.freenode.net/ | 09:00 |
| slonopotamus | om-nom-nom, cylinders on flash card :) | 09:00 |
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| TonyS | I tried getting an N950 from Nokia (I devlope applications for the impaired) but I never recieved any notice back. | 09:01 |
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| TonyS | But this recent issue has been such a thorn in my side, I don't know how to fix it... I am assuming boot.scr is the best bet but I don't know how to do it - and it looks as if no one else has the experence... | 09:03 |
| TonyS | I tried something like this, but no go: | 09:03 |
| TonyS | setenv bootcmd 'mmc init; fatload mmc1 0:3 0x82000000 /uImage; fatload mmc1 0:3 0x83000000 /uInitrd; bootm 0x82000000 0x83000000' setenv bootargs 'root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 nosplash' boot | 09:03 |
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| slonopotamus | TonyS: so, from somewhere it knows to boot from mmcblk0p1. find that place and replace it with whatever you need. | 09:04 |
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| dm8tbr | slonopotamus: for n900 the reason for distributing a dd'able image is exactly the problem TonyS is running into: there is about x-teen-thousand ways to make it not boot. the image just requires dd'ing and will boot just fine and most people put it on a separate card anyway | 09:04 |
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| dm8tbr | I maintain it is the kernel cmdline | 09:05 |
| TonyS | Well that would HAVE to be on the FAT partition I believe | 09:05 |
| TonyS | but there is only 1 config file | 09:05 |
| TonyS | config-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 | 09:06 |
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| TonyS | and I already changed it from "root=/dev/mmcblk1p1" to "root=/dev/mmcblk1p2" | 09:08 |
| TonyS | i mean 0p2 | 09:08 |
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| TonyS | (since it uboot i believe SD card is 0 instead of 1) | 09:09 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm | 09:10 |
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| TonyS | I fear the data to boot into p1 is in uImage | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | TonyS: what exact issue are you having? | 09:12 |
| japerry | X-Fade: I'm looking to build the meego source files for OpenSUSE, was thinking of doing it within OBS. is this the best way to go about this? | 09:12 |
| TonyS | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4400 | 09:12 |
| TonyS | It's kicking my butt man... :( | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | TonyS: tell me what it says before that error | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | like 2-3 lines | 09:14 |
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| TonyS | let me go reboot my N900 now | 09:15 |
| TonyS | please hold | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | don't worry, i'm here all day.. | 09:16 |
| TonyS | haha, I just boot it with the slide open to start MeeGo | 09:16 |
| TonyS | it's starting the kernel | 09:17 |
| TonyS | before the error (I cannot scroll up) | 09:17 |
| TonyS | Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p1. . . | 09:18 |
| TonyS | mmc0: host does not support reading read only weitch. assuming write enable. | 09:18 |
| TonyS | mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address f84b | 09:19 |
| TonyS | mmcblk0: mmc:f94b SD16G 14.9 GiB | 09:20 |
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| TonyS | mmcblk0: p1 p2 p3 p4 | 09:20 |
| TonyS | then the VFS error | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | and how are you booting the ernel? | 09:20 |
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| TonyS | uBoot automatically looks in partition 3 (FAT) for uImage | 09:21 |
| TonyS | i believe | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | i think it looks for boot.scr in p1 first | 09:22 |
| TonyS | that is incorrect | 09:22 |
| TonyS | it looks for boot.scr in p3 | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | are you using uboot-pr13? | 09:23 |
| TonyS | 2010-06 | 09:23 |
| TonyS | Maemo Kernel Power v48 | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | don't know then | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | but: | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2458497 | 09:24 |
| TonyS | what's that? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's the script that runs in uboot-pr13 | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | check loadbootscript | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | also, for good measure, i'm not 100% sure we respect kernel command line atag :P | 09:27 |
| TonyS | okay, I am just getting a little confuised - I don't know much about ubook | 09:27 |
| TonyS | how do I check loadbootscript? | 09:28 |
| TonyS | Right now it is booting Maemo perfectly with the keyboard closed, it is TRYING to boot MeeGo with the keyboard open (unsuccessfuly), it found uImage, it just needs to look in p2 instead of p1 - and I don't know how to get it to do that... | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | see the paste | 09:32 |
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| TonyS | Stskeeps - I found something that might be of some help... | 09:35 |
| TonyS | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=72837 | 09:35 |
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| TonyS | @Stskeeps what do you think? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | sounds around those lines | 09:37 |
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| TonyS | It is already doing everything in the pastie in reguards to booting the image | 09:42 |
| TonyS | "loaduimage=fatload mmc 0:3 ${loadaddr} uImage\0" - that is already being done. | 09:43 |
| TonyS | booting from SD card partion 3 (fat) | 09:44 |
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| dm8tbr | your kernel boots, that's not the problem | 09:45 |
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| dm8tbr | the problem is that the kernel tries to mount the wrong partition | 09:46 |
| dm8tbr | that info it takes from the kernel cmdline | 09:47 |
| TonyS | okay, and how should I go about fixing that? | 09:47 |
| dm8tbr | I have never tried to change the cmdline on the n900 so I do not know if there is a override in place | 09:47 |
| dm8tbr | but setting it from uboot would be my first try | 09:48 |
| TonyS | (I hope you don't tell me to recomplie the kernel) | 09:48 |
| TonyS | using boot.scr? | 09:48 |
| dm8tbr | uboot has a command prompt | 09:49 |
| dm8tbr | verify it using that first | 09:49 |
| dm8tbr | if that works, try if saveenv will work | 09:49 |
| dm8tbr | uboot is well documented IIRC so I guess you'll find generic hints in their docs | 09:49 |
| TonyS | any tips for commands i should run at the command line? | 09:50 |
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| dm8tbr | printenv | 09:50 |
| dm8tbr | for the rest please kindly RTFM | 09:50 |
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| TonyS | RTFM? | 09:51 |
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| tomeu | hi TonyS, you may find this article interesting: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 09:51 |
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| dm8tbr | here's a link so you know where TFM resides http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/Documentation | 09:53 |
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| TonyS | printenv, everything looks good... | 09:55 |
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| dm8tbr | TonyS: so the kernel cmdline points to the right partition in env? | 09:59 |
| TonyS | it points to 3 | 10:00 |
| TonyS | and the kernel uImage has always boots | 10:00 |
| TonyS | it just needs to look into p2 instead of p1 for the actual guts | 10:01 |
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| TonyS | i just tried | 10:02 |
| TonyS | setenv bootargs 'root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 nosplash' | 10:02 |
| TonyS | then boot | 10:02 |
| TonyS | no luck.... | 10:02 |
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| ali1234 | TonyS: you can't change the command line | 10:04 |
| ali1234 | with the current u-boot | 10:04 |
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| ali1234 | because i made a bug | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | it's in our kernel or in uboot? | 10:05 |
| ali1234 | in u-boot | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:05 |
| ali1234 | no matter what you do you will always get the atags from nolo | 10:05 |
| ali1234 | all of them | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:05 |
| ali1234 | if you unset env atags then you get nothing due to the bug | 10:06 |
| ali1234 | i think anyway | 10:06 |
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| ali1234 | gnutoo: ping | 10:06 |
| TonyS | hum... | 10:07 |
| ali1234 | gnutoo: i am trying to port changes to u-boot mainline but it doesn't work properly | 10:07 |
| ali1234 | it just crashes on init | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | specifically it crashes on the very first time it tries to dereference a pointer | 10:08 |
| TonyS | Ali1234 - are you a devloper of uboot? | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | sort of | 10:10 |
| TonyS | Do you have any ideas on how to rememedy my problem? | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | yes | 10:11 |
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| TonyS | Forgive my ignorance, this isn't really my field of expertist | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | you need to get u-boot, apply n900 patches, then add a line to fix the bug | 10:12 |
| TonyS | i have uboot | 10:12 |
| TonyS | i don't know what n900 patches you speak of | 10:12 |
| TonyS | and what is the line to fix the bug? | 10:12 |
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| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/ | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | apply all 4 patches | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | then open bootm.c | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | inside the last ifdef CONFIG_CHAINLOADER | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | you have to put a line like PARAMS = bd->bi_boot_params; | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | before the } | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | then build u-boot and combined.bin and reflash | 10:14 |
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| ali1234 | if you don't do this you get some random uninitialized memory instead of atags, if you don't use the nolo atags | 10:15 |
| ali1234 | anyway i will release a fix for this soon | 10:15 |
| Venemo | morning MeeGoists! :) | 10:15 |
| TonyS | hum | 10:16 |
| TonyS | let me try that out now | 10:16 |
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| TonyS | So just copy those 6 items over to my N900 and run the python file? | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | no | 10:17 |
| TonyS | shucks, it can never be that easy | 10:18 |
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| ali1234 | start with git clone git://git.denx.de/u-boot.git | 10:19 |
| TonyS | I am on windows right now... | 10:20 |
| ali1234 | give up | 10:20 |
| TonyS | :( | 10:20 |
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| TonyS | I am determined to do this... I have made it this far, I am betting the solution is much simplier than expected... | 10:21 |
| ali1234 | it is simple | 10:22 |
| ali1234 | if you know how to use git and a compiler | 10:22 |
| TonyS | I am afraid I do not... | 10:23 |
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| TonyS | Any other suggestions? | 10:25 |
| ali1234 | just wait | 10:25 |
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| TonyS | Okay... I had this great suicide note written out, I just deleted it and wrote, "damn you uboot and meego" ;) | 10:26 |
| lbt | so familiar | 10:27 |
| lbt | I have a template now... | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | "i decided to kill myself due to: [meego|the economy|too much tangoing|too cold in helsinki|..]? | 10:28 |
| tomeu | well, besides waiting and suicide, you can also invest some time installing linux and learning about git and building stuff | 10:28 |
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| lbt | decided to [kill myself|go on a rampage] due to: [meego|OBS|OBS|OBS|the economy|too much tangoing|too cold in helsinki|..]? | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | |BOSS| | 10:29 |
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| arfoll | but I don't want to go to the pub now | 10:29 |
| arfoll | way too early | 10:30 |
| * Stskeeps offers martinis | 10:30 | |
| iekku | :D | 10:30 |
| * arfoll takes 3 | 10:30 | |
| Ronksu | now this feels like a proper fri.. nowait it's wednesday | 10:30 |
| iekku | arfoll, it's never too early | 10:30 |
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| arfoll | iekku: i slept 4hrs last night, i think it is too early ;-) | 10:30 |
| iekku | arfoll, no, it's only cheaper that way ;) | 10:31 |
| arfoll | lol | 10:31 |
| arfoll | this is ridiculous though | 10:31 |
| TonyS | It's half past midnight here in LA, you guys are lucky! | 10:31 |
| RST38h | lbt: Include "kill all people" into the firs tpair of brackets | 10:31 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: this looks like an unusual OBS down though | 10:31 |
| aard_ | lbt: in case you kill yourself please take elop with you. I guess it'd even count as business trip | 10:31 |
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| TonyS | Believe it or not I own a marketing/advertising firm - I mess around with electronics for fun... however sometimes when it is like this, it is not so much fun. | 10:32 |
| TonyS | It looks like I bit off more than I can chew... | 10:32 |
| lbt | aard_: I'd rather do him on the rampage | 10:32 |
| lbt | OBS is a good defence | 10:32 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps: how so? | 10:32 |
| arfoll | i mean apart from the fact it's wednesday | 10:33 |
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| aard_ | 'temporal insanity due to crappy code'? | 10:33 |
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| dm8tbr | arfoll: 'wednesday' nice one ;) | 10:34 |
| lbt | aard_: yup | 10:34 |
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| TonyS | I wonder what Ali1234 is doing. | 10:37 |
| ali1234 | eating my breakfast | 10:40 |
| * Stskeeps ponders more coffe | 10:41 | |
| Stskeeps | e | 10:41 |
| TonyS | I am still trying to ponder how to boot MeeGo! | 10:42 |
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| Stskeeps | microsd card ;) | 10:42 |
| TonyS | hahaha | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | seriously, that's how we test :P | 10:43 |
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| TonyS | I have MeeGo on an SD card, I just changed the partitions and uboot is having trouble booting root | 10:45 |
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| TonyS | Anyone still around? | 10:56 |
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| iekku | TonyS, what sd are you using btw? | 10:58 |
| TonyS | Class 6, 16MB | 10:58 |
| TonyS | why do you ask? | 10:58 |
| iekku | TonyS, there has been some problems with Class 10 | 10:58 |
| TonyS | Class 6 | 10:59 |
| TonyS | over here | 10:59 |
| TonyS | I had MeeGo running just fine when it was on partition 1 | 10:59 |
| TonyS | but thank you | 10:59 |
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| TonyS | i'll make sure not to invest in a class 10 | 10:59 |
| TonyS | anytime soon | 10:59 |
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| ali1234 | !! This breaks support for all arm boards !! | 11:11 |
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| ali1234 | ok i think i just found the problem | 11:11 |
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| Beineri | X-Fade / lbt: all builds fail with "rpc timeout" :-( | 11:11 |
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| TonyS | ??? | 11:15 |
| TonyS | what is the problem? | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | Beineri: Building against core obs? | 11:16 |
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| Beineri | X-Fade: yeah, MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2:oss/standard | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | Beineri: That is because that OBS is down. | 11:17 |
| Beineri | pitty :-( | 11:18 |
| lbt | Beineri: why are you building against core? | 11:18 |
| Beineri | to build/test against 1.2.0.x? :-) | 11:20 |
| Beineri | Is guess you suggest to use "MeeGo:1.2"? Whose descriptions "This uses an import of 1.1.99.3.20110419.9 for now." is hopefully wrong | 11:21 |
| TonyS | I guess no one else can help me out any further | 11:22 |
| TonyS | ? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | TonyS: it's a bit of a strong technical problem and ali1234 is working on the issue | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | TonyS: you'll have to wait a bit for a more friendlier approach :) | 11:23 |
| TonyS | Gotcha, I am gonna get a snack, I will be back - ali1234 - thank you so much for your assistance. :) | 11:23 |
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| Beineri | MeeGo:1.2/MeeGo_Trunk_standard ist IMHO also quite confusing naming.... | 11:43 |
| TonyS | Back | 11:45 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: COBS, I'm getting "build successful" but "the setup of the repository is broken, build not possible". https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Ajaffa&repo_Harmattan=1&succeeded=1 | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, there is an issue with the link. I'm looking at it. | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool, thanks | 12:06 |
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| TonyS | It is strange that u-boot is bilt in such a manner where it is so difficult to just change partitions... | 12:08 |
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| dm8tbr | X-Fade / Jaffa - core OBS came back around the time you talked about it | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | dm8tbr: Yes, I pinged someone who had access. | 12:27 |
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| arfoll | has anyone had trouble on exopc speaker output? | 12:43 |
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| lcuk2 | arfoll, in what regard? | 12:44 |
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| arfoll | lcuk2, cant seem to get an output on one | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | amixer? | 12:45 |
| arfoll | amixer definately has speaker set to on | 12:45 |
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| arfoll | alsamixer shows speaker is not muted (and if i mute headphones it does mute them) | 12:45 |
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| lcuk2 | arfoll, did you try rebooting.. | 12:50 |
| arfoll | lcuk2: yes ;-) i'm actually wondering wether the speakers on this exo are just dead | 12:52 |
| lcuk2 | arfoll, use one of the meego usb images and boot from there | 12:53 |
| lcuk2 | see if audio works then | 12:53 |
| lcuk2 | at least you will know whether it is os level | 12:53 |
| arfoll | true, speaker out works for you on live tablet images? | 12:53 |
| lcuk2 | from what I recall it does on my ideapad | 12:54 |
| lcuk2 | but somebody can speak up if it doesn't | 12:54 |
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| arfoll | well i'm dl'ing one now, we'll see if it works | 12:54 |
| lcuk2 | good idea | 12:55 |
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| lcuk2 | visionplus.fi looks interesting | 13:16 |
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| TonyS | is ali1234 still here? | 13:19 |
| ali1234 | yes? | 13:19 |
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| TonyS | Hey ali1234, any idea on how to fix my issue? | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | yes, i told you already | 13:25 |
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| TonyS | Apply those patches? | 13:26 |
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| TonyS | But I have to compile them first | 13:26 |
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| * lcuk carries on looking at bug 21416 | 13:30 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21416 nor, Undecided, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, [CE] App launcher in landscape n900 is odd | 13:30 |
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| TonyS | Ali1234 - thank you so much for your information! Out of curosity when do you plan on updating uboot? | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | focus | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | tuiooa | 13:46 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, do you see in your logfiles also the issue now with the accelerator patches | 13:46 |
| ScriptRipper | that rpm-x86 does not get installed ? | 13:47 |
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| ScriptRipper | looks like install order has changed | 13:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, meaning? | 13:47 |
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| ScriptRipper | hi lcuk | 13:50 |
| lcuk | hi ScriptRipper, you work on obs related things I recall? | 13:51 |
| ScriptRipper | yes, I am one of the OBS developers | 13:51 |
| lcuk | a very nice system once the learning curve has been mastered! | 13:52 |
| ScriptRipper | and I did also implement the cross toolchain for OBS in MeeGo | 13:52 |
| ScriptRipper | and yes, OBS is a monster | 13:52 |
| ScriptRipper | but I you found a way to implement your need | 13:52 |
| ScriptRipper | then it starts to get fun for more | 13:53 |
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| ScriptRipper | problem is not well deocumented | 13:53 |
| lcuk | ScriptRipper, sure, documentation helps but also having people using it and helping each other is big part too | 13:53 |
| ScriptRipper | but that is lack of resources | 13:54 |
| ScriptRipper | mostly | 13:54 |
| ScriptRipper | and there you have Adrian, me and the others | 13:54 |
| ScriptRipper | and they really help you | 13:55 |
| lcuk | yeah ScriptRipper its good we have a large number of devs building on the obs for meego/harmattan | 13:55 |
| ScriptRipper | we do also not have the burocracy of lets say MeeGo | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | well that is the same anywhere and can be modified | 13:56 |
| ScriptRipper | where I sometimes have the feeling the devels hide behind some tools like bugzilla and behind processes | 13:56 |
| ScriptRipper | but that might be due to the size and number of people also | 13:57 |
| lcuk | ScriptRipper, the obs has been great and flexible at building packages required for the -ce :) | 13:57 |
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| ScriptRipper | it should, of course, otherwise you can beat us :) | 13:57 |
| lcuk | with the more flexible integration and focus it has been easier to get patches and fixes tested and integrated | 13:58 |
| lcuk | nahh no beatings on wednesdays | 13:58 |
| ScriptRipper | for me OBS is great because it makes all the FOSS packages get some life and you see where they are | 13:59 |
| lcuk | ScriptRipper, I am really interested in the BOSS processes built up around it | 13:59 |
| RST38h | What is "getting a life" with respect to a software package? | 13:59 |
| ScriptRipper | a revision control system with source is just passive | 13:59 |
| lcuk | following #meego-boss is really useful | 14:00 |
| ScriptRipper | but building it and testing it you get a feeling how far it is | 14:00 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 14:00 |
| ScriptRipper | what is also interesting is the packaging: you see how a package really works | 14:01 |
| ScriptRipper | if you check out a source tree, you know nothing | 14:01 |
| ScriptRipper | if you read the README how to build and install it | 14:02 |
| ScriptRipper | you see just a very small bit of it | 14:02 |
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| ScriptRipper | so its the control over things that makes OBS so useful | 14:02 |
| ScriptRipper | and the documentary character of 100 K packaged sources | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: looking | 14:03 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, I had just taken small pkg, e.g. acl | 14:07 |
| ScriptRipper | and in the end of the pkg install section | 14:07 |
| ScriptRipper | for my rebuild of 1.2.0 with accelerator patches | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org:2080/package/rawlog?arch=armv7el&package=acl&project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase%3Aarmv7l&repository=standard | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | seems to work for me | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | (that's 1.3, though) | 14:08 |
| ScriptRipper | I get the warning | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | what warning? | 14:08 |
| iekku | resolved as forkedforme | 14:08 |
| iekku | wait what? | 14:09 |
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| ScriptRipper | installing rpm-x86-arm-4.8.1-9.1 | 14:09 |
| ScriptRipper | /bin/rpm.orig-arm already present - skipping. | 14:09 |
| ScriptRipper | /usr/bin/rpm2cpio.orig-arm already present - skipping. | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: that's fine | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: check if /bin/rpm is x86 binary in chroot? | 14:09 |
| ScriptRipper | is rpm then ARM or x86 ? | 14:09 |
| ScriptRipper | I do | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | the installation of rpm-x86 is a bit mysterious | 14:10 |
| ScriptRipper | I know it, its not to break the rpm db | 14:12 |
| ScriptRipper | you are right | 14:13 |
| ScriptRipper | > file ./usr/bin/rpmbuild ./bin/rpm | 14:13 |
| ScriptRipper | ./usr/bin/rpmbuild: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped | 14:13 |
| ScriptRipper | ./bin/rpm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped | 14:13 |
| ScriptRipper | it was just the feeling its slow | 14:13 |
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| ScriptRipper | but it is slow on big packages | 14:13 |
| ScriptRipper | anyway | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | ScriptRipper, kyb3R has been producing some stats graphs of ML interactions | 14:14 |
| lcuk | is there a way to get a month by month view of obs utilisation across the meegosphere? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | commits/builds etc | 14:14 |
| lcuk | since I know it has been busier and busier of late | 14:15 |
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| ScriptRipper | there is api for these data | 14:15 |
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| ScriptRipper | and the monitoring page of OBS uses this statistics api | 14:15 |
| ScriptRipper | so you can also program an own tool for more advanced applications | 14:15 |
| lcuk | ScriptRipper, from what I recall the stats are very recent periods, is the more longterm data in the api? | 14:16 |
| ScriptRipper | statistics, like build utilization, are stored at least for a month | 14:16 |
| lcuk | kyb3R, discuss on here then! | 14:17 |
| ScriptRipper | e.g. nr. of events, nr. of idle and busy workers | 14:17 |
| ScriptRipper | nr. of pkgs in build queue | 14:17 |
| lcuk | ScriptRipper, important to find best utilisation of those workers too | 14:17 |
| ScriptRipper | do you guys know ruby on rails ? | 14:18 |
| lcuk | not personally | 14:18 |
| ScriptRipper | then I can point you to some code | 14:18 |
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| kyb3R | ah, obs stats here :) | 14:18 |
| ScriptRipper | in the current WebUI | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | thiago, re yesterdays question about appup things, there is a tweetup event in London this evening. | 14:37 |
| lcuk | Last call for attendees at the 2nd Gen Core #IntelTweetUp! Demos, drinks, giveaways and much more at Soho Sq this evening. RSVP @IntelUK http://twitter.com/#!/IntelUK/status/108846660133720064 | 14:37 |
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| Venemo | does MeeGo run on OMAP4? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:38 |
| Venemo | I recall there being a bug about inavailability of hardfp OMAP4 drivers | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | right | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't meant it doesn't run | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| Venemo | lol | 14:39 |
| Venemo | so it runs, just doesn't work? or how would you characterize it? :P | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | you can do software rendering.. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| lcuk | is the cortex a9 an omap4? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: btw, if you ever get asked to build 1.3 with softfp, trust me on this one, you'll want to ask me about my build :P it was a nightmare getting from 1.2 to 1.3 | 14:40 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, yes, afaik | 14:40 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, performance of software rendering | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | how does it keepup | 14:41 |
| lcuk | thanks Venemo | 14:41 |
| lcuk | and hi \o | 14:41 |
| Venemo | hi lcuk :) | 14:41 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: I have also cpio-x86 and m4-x86 | 14:43 |
| lcuk | does anybody know how well does steelrat works on lower powered hardware? | 14:43 |
| Venemo | I was pondering whether I could run MeeGo if I bought an Archos G9 tablet. obviously, I don't exactly want software rendering when there is graphics hardware present | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i'd really like OBS to have a function where you can do like.. "Install this package if this package is installed" | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | Substitute: is too invasive | 14:44 |
| ScriptRipper | yes | 14:44 |
| ScriptRipper | do you think we should put those two in ? | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, it can probably help some things | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | m4 for sure | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | autoconf stalls there very often | 14:45 |
| ScriptRipper | I put them into meego.com OBS, and then you change your base build project and try them out | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:46 |
| ScriptRipper | when prjconf is fine, we can submit it to Trunk | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | it's the same problem as with doxygen- i think | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | that m4 / cpio isn't part of Support/Keep/Requires is it? | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, bug 17570 is worth ccing to | 14:48 |
| ScriptRipper | I had solved it at the moment by putting them into the preinstalled list | 14:48 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc | 14:48 |
| Venemo | lcuk, yeah, that's what I was talking about | 14:48 |
| ScriptRipper | hey, is ibrahim == Ibrahim Hadid ? | 14:48 |
| ScriptRipper | this is a good one | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but i think assignee is wrong | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's more like a "project problem" | 14:49 |
| Venemo | well, seems that this bug hasn't been fixed in months. | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, some drivers are coming eg for trimslice | 14:50 |
| lcuk | --- Comment #13 from vgrade <martinbrook@ntlworld.com> 2011-08-31 11:46:02 UTC --- | 14:50 |
| lcuk | nvidia are now providing via compulab trimslice community hardfp drivers for | 14:50 |
| lcuk | tegra 2. | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: do you know if baselibs.conf can take macros? | 14:50 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: like %{ix86} | 14:50 |
| Venemo | lcuk, yeah, unfortunately Tegra 2 is not OMAP4 | 14:50 |
| lcuk | Venemo, some momentum in the right direction is good | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i tried to change meego default target to i686 yesterday and well, it naturally broke baselibs.conf with 'arch i586' .. | 14:51 |
| Venemo | agreed. | 14:51 |
| Venemo | what is the situation for OMAP3? do we have hardfp drivers there? | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | for n900 | 14:51 |
| Venemo | only? | 14:51 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: there is I think some old croft in build script that prevents "i686" | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | well, it can work on others | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: nah, i had i686 working but cross helpers broke totally | 14:52 |
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| ScriptRipper | I think the way to do this is: call it still i586, but change the rpm arch and compiler flags | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | so i wanted to take 'arch i586' -> 'arch %{ix86} .. | 14:53 |
| ScriptRipper | sure | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Close bug 17570 with WONTFIX? | 14:53 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, jerry.yu, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc | 14:53 |
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| ScriptRipper | i check for macro inside baselibs.conf | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:54 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps we talk about accelerators ? | 14:57 |
| ScriptRipper | why not put filter into prjconf for them ? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i run into i686.dontuse.rpm because the arch i586 line doesn't trigger | 14:58 |
| ScriptRipper | or you can do reg exps inside baselibs.conf | 14:58 |
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| thiago | lcuk: tonight is a little too short notice... | 15:03 |
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| lcukn900 | heh thiago yeah i know, just spotted it | 15:04 |
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| lcukn900 | thiago if we can get the tablet ux ontop of wayland with a nice shiny qt5 will that improve battery life? | 15:05 |
| lcukn900 | or will we just find more apps to run in parallel to use same! | 15:05 |
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| thiago | lcukn900: a little, yes | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | thiago, do the qt guys keep track of all the performance optimisations in a log somewhere? | 15:08 |
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| thiago | lcuk: no | 16:04 |
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| Beineri | Stskeeps: you did rebuild 1.3 with softfp? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: i have a sub-set of meego core with softfp | 16:16 |
| Beineri | Stskeeps: where? how? :-) | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: how = something i will tell my therapist eventually | 16:16 |
| Beineri | /nick Stskeeps_therapist | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | where, http://monster.tspre.org:2080/project/show?project=Mer%3ATrunk%3ABase:armv7l - still working on distribution methods | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind, not compliant | 16:17 |
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| Beineri | Stskeeps: so the pain included to set your own OBS, to bootstrap and so on? | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Beineri: right | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: but also fighting with util-linux-ng -> util-linux rename and other things | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: working on a meego-derived minimal core for running qml and html5 stuff | 16:20 |
| Beineri | Stskeeps: and you had 1.2 final softp before? that was easier? | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: i interrupted my 1.2 final softfp build as it just took too long on my hw :P | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | 1400 packages and no build optimizations | 16:21 |
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| Beineri | Stskeeps: you don't feel like documentating or blogging about ? -) | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: i will eventually start blogging about this stuff, but i do plan to start distributing these things :P | 16:22 |
| * CosmoHill has just been on the phone with a job company and is having his details forwarded to an employer :) | 16:22 | |
| Stskeeps | so people can use them for their work and prototyping | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: what's your interest, out of curiousity? | 16:22 |
| Beineri | Stskeeps: accelerated qml demos... | 16:23 |
| Beineri | and kde active/contour... | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: alright | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | Beineri: my plan is to also make an armv6 build and non-ssse3 for non-atom devices | 16:24 |
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| Beineri | ... for pandaboard | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | right | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Beineri: i'll keep you in the loop i guess | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Beineri: goal is a 400 source package strong core with no UX'es or hardware adaptation, those are seperate projects on top | 16:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, I heard the name 'Mer' today, as a designation for some stripped-down MeeGo | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: right | 16:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, can you enlighten me about this? | 16:26 |
| lcukn900 | so where does the hardware adaption come from stskeeps? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | lcukn900: at first, grabbing packages | 16:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, if it will have Qt and run QML, why do you call it stripped-down? | 16:27 |
| lcukn900 | well looking at n900 adaption will the mods made there be usable? | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: it's fairly simple, it's a design proposal towards meego 2.0 with different focus and taking some freedoms main meego project can't do in 1.x line, to encourage involvement and experimentation and improving vendor-product relationships/procedures | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: 1400 packages in meego trunk vs 400 | 16:28 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, I see. 400 is much less indeed | 16:28 |
| lcukn900 | that 1400 includes what extra things though? | 16:28 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, but if it can run QML, all we need is some nice QML UX and we can have a very nice OS | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: perfect OS for a interactive busstop | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | lcukn900: netbook UX, most of gnome stack, handset ux, meego tablet ux.. a lot of tools | 16:29 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, I have always been wondering how much of an effort it would take to create one's own UX. | 16:30 |
| lcukn900 | so it is meego core essentially | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but with some things stripped out / less reliant on x11, cutting some dependancies etc | 16:30 |
| lcukn900 | venemo a lot of work! | 16:30 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, seems that what Intel did with meego-ux, they did very fast | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:30 |
| lcukn900 | stskeeps and what device platform level is this for? | 16:30 |
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| Venemo_N950 | lcukn900, and with qml? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | lcukn900: define device platform level | 16:31 |
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| lcukn900 | well helpful to which spec devices | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | anything that can bear it | 16:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, so, will your stuff run eg. on the N900? with hw accelerated qml? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: yes | 16:32 |
| lcukn900 | venemo it is possible to gather together a team and produce a set of apps to spec | 16:32 |
| lcukn900 | like intel have done | 16:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, so if someone steps up and designs a nice UX, we could finally have something nice MeeGo-based on N900 | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: did you see my qml components video? | 16:33 |
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| lcukn900 | hopefully the tablet ux will be advancing beyond the preview ux | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N950: blip.tv/carsten-munk/qt-components-harmattan-on-n900-meego-1-3-based-5508447 | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://blip.tv/carsten-munk/qt-components-harmattan-on-n900-meego-1-3-based-5508447 | 16:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | Stskeeps, would prefer not to view those on my N950 | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | see it when home then | 16:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | k | 16:34 |
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| lcukn900 | stskeeps so what prevents doing this in meego proper | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | lcukn900: too much red tape to cut, it's better to show up with something that works and patches | 16:36 |
| lcukn900 | we seem to be agile and flexible on the -ce team | 16:36 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: is that theme included? | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: using lgpl stuff only | 16:37 |
| javispedro | ooh :) | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not 100% on components itself | 16:38 |
| CosmoHill | javispedro: do you play openttd? | 16:38 |
| javispedro | CosmoHill: yep | 16:38 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, in what way will this not be compliant | 16:38 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: you mean MTF is used? | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: no mtf included | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: various reasons, such as me not having entre compliance set | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | but if those packages are happily buildable now and already in the core | 16:40 |
| javispedro | surprised so much of the artwork/animations/etc is open in the Harmattan Qt Components, that is quite a reason to use them. | 16:40 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: how much "useless" stuff the compliance set has for your needs? (Trying to get a picture on what kind of stuff it requires to ship nowadays) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: the problem isn't always compliance stuff but what it needs underneath that | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/package-groups/blobs/master/patterns/compliance.yaml | 16:42 |
| * Jaffa likes the idea of a "Compliance Compatibility" package alongside the minimal Qt-booting core. | 16:43 | |
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| lcuk | ++ Jaffa | 16:43 |
| timoph | yep | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | my personal goal is "up to qt, qt mobility" at the moment | 16:43 |
| w00t_ | qtcontacts-tracker? *snerk* | 16:43 |
| w00t_ | I think someone forgot to update that | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | Gives separate projects to "maintain a fast booting Qt-based Linux core" and "maintain a set of packages needed to build a MeeGo Compliant OS" | 16:44 |
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| Jaffa | Vendors may want the former and not the latter. But even if they do want the latter, they're different skill sets. Too much is grey and fuzzy in the current project: there's an enormous Core and then some WGs and RE | 16:44 |
| * timoph nods | 16:45 | |
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| * Jaffa considers this a "Blueprint for MeeGo" | 16:48 | |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to somehow adapt the yocto like governance, it is much more "down to the working floor" | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | and encouraging discussion in the open | 16:49 |
| berndhs | maybe express governance in terms of how things get done, as opposed to who has what authority ? | 16:50 |
| lcuk | well it does not handle everything, as you say, it is a minimal subset | 16:50 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, I would like to see a meego based more around building blocks so that components could be added as required | 16:53 |
| lcuk | "vendor, we are making a phone": right add the phone set | 16:54 |
| lcuk | like a nice simple shopping list | 16:54 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ey | 16:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | sorry, I've just noticed that my N950 has dropped the connection again | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Agreed, that's what I'm trying to propose. Useful blocks with clear delineations and responsibilities. "Core" - boot (quickly), provide a graphical framework, Qt & Qt Mobility; "N900 h/w adaptation" - provide config files and additional package needed to get Core running on N900. "UX#1" - provide a QML-based whizzy user interface & Components. | 16:55 |
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| Venemo_N950 | Jaffa, yeah, this sounds sane | 16:56 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, basically package level integration and sharing - which is what meego is now | 16:56 |
| lcuk | the compliance.yaml file that stskeeps posted earlier shows it is possible | 16:57 |
| lcuk | and we can already generate .ks images to devices and spec as required etc | 16:57 |
| lcuk | if that were not possible, none of the previous communityedition would have been possible | 16:58 |
| lcuk | since the -CE does not include all the netbook stuff | 16:58 |
| lcuk | and vice versa | 16:58 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: We're agreeing, aren't we? | 16:59 |
| lcuk | the 1400 packages being mentioned are the complete set and I do not think there is an image created with all on | 16:59 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | we have commercial vendors shipping meego netbook builds now, Stskeeps has shown that a meego image can be created using subset - he did not have to step outside the project to do it either | 17:00 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: You know what Stskeeps is calling his subset? What do you mean by "outside the project" mean? What do you mean by "the project", for that matter. | 17:12 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Because, from where I'm sitting, the project has no leadership; no governance; no open discussion or roadmap and no desire (or ability) to address these problems. | 17:12 |
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| w00t_ | yeah, meego-architecture is a great example of that | 17:14 |
| w00t_ | I'm tempted to reply to mikhas' post with "echo, echo, echo ..." | 17:14 |
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| Jaffa | w00t_: Indeed :-( | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | Someone who's trying to actively get involved with contributing a valuable component to the MeeGo Core and no response. I'm *guessing* it's that no-one feels empowered to say "yes", rather than a total lack of interest. | 17:16 |
| w00t_ | in fact, let me do exactly that | 17:16 |
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| njozwiak | hi- has anyone here setup an automount system on their MeeGo device? | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, as a 2.0 restructuring I can see it effectively working | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | but we have to proposition it towards actively improving matters and inclusive of the vendors | 17:26 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps has suggested one very sensible starting point | 17:26 |
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| lcuk | and w00t_ - the maliit packages should have been in core from day1 | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | since input is one of the absolute requirements for most computers :P | 17:29 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: How is Stskeeps' proposal going to work "inside the project"? | 17:30 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: My suggestion is for how one takes Stskeeps' work, puts it alongside the project and shows how the project *should* be run. As has been pointed out, code speaks louder than blog posts - the same works for organisations as well. | 17:31 |
| lcuk | indeed it does | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | but the code exists | 17:31 |
| lcuk | in the current obs | 17:31 |
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| Jaffa | Yes, and the project around it doesn't. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | how do we show the other groups how to build from it | 17:32 |
| lcuk | to reshape meego on the fly | 17:32 |
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| Jaffa | That's what I'm proposing. Copying Stskeeps' example for how to have a series of smaller projects which cooperate in delivering something like CE. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | so that the next latest netbook release (for instance) can be built from this | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | or when we get a real tablet-ux it can be built from it | 17:33 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Who are you going to email and say "do what Stskeeps has done"? How are you going to describe *what* he's done? | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | in part we are doing it now | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | we are asking the questions and getting the feedback required | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, the communityedition is already being built on these sorts of principles | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, remember when meego was first seen on our devices? it was x11 console prompt only | 17:37 |
| lcuk | no ux or anything | 17:37 |
| lcuk | last week on the 1.3 branch it was the same :D | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | wasn't with our good will it only was an xterm | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | we had duihome working, working very well | 17:39 |
| lcuk | *have | 17:39 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I suspect you've got a better working knowledge of all the different teams, projects and people who need to be educated than I then. | 17:39 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: To me, the MeeGo project - with some exceptions - is an amorphous black box which does not respond to external input. | 17:39 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I also think that your example of CE is not considered "MeeGo" proper based on some of the communication about "no, we're not a fork; we're a reference vendor" communications which are trying to dampen FUD coming from others closer to Core | 17:40 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, agreed | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, every ux in meego is technically a fork | 17:43 |
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| berndhs | i just want moslo for n950, that's enough for now :) | 18:02 |
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| slaine | Can someone explain the upcoming Intel Atom processor roadmap, I'm slightly confused | 18:18 |
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| lcuk | slaine, the cedar trail devices you mean? | 18:19 |
| slaine | The Atom Z6xx CPU's are the Oaktrail platforms right ? And they include that PowerVR GPU in the CPU housing, much like the Pinetrail includes an i915 derivative | 18:19 |
| arfoll | slaine, you got a link to that roadmap? | 18:20 |
| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 18:20 |
| slaine | luck, Well, that's the next question, What's CedarTrail | 18:20 |
| slaine | Hey CosmoHill | 18:20 |
| lcuk | cedartrail is the 32nm process builds | 18:20 |
| lcuk | much lower power consumption etc | 18:20 |
| slaine | Is CedarTrail the next iteration of the Atom Z600 processors line, i.e. will it have the PowerVR GPU | 18:20 |
| arfoll | slaine, Z6xx i think thats the IVI stuff (crossville northville) - not oaktrail (but does have powervr like poulsbo SGX535) | 18:20 |
| lcuk | on the news snippets I have read ability to get 10hours per charge is one goal | 18:20 |
| slaine | arfoll: From Wikipedia, Lincroft is the Atom Z600 and included in the "Oaktrail" platform, which is a SoC | 18:21 |
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| slaine | It indicates that CedarTrail-M is the follow on from Pinetrail but including the same PowerVR GPU thats on the Oaktrail platform | 18:22 |
| tomeu | btw, anybody knows if there's any truth to the rumours that intel is working on opening the source of the SGX drivers they use? | 18:23 |
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| slaine | tomeu: if it's true, then I'm sure the people working on it know ;) | 18:23 |
| lcuk | not sure but open graphics are welcomed | 18:23 |
| Venemo_N950 | ++ | 18:24 |
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| slaine | I know Alan Cosx has gotten KMS support in upstream for CedarTrail | 18:24 |
| slaine | Cox | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | tomeu: heh, i'd say fat chance | 18:24 |
| tomeu | well, referring to the GL stuf | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | but i might be surprised | 18:24 |
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| arfoll | i'm with Stskeeps | 18:24 |
| lcuk | slaine, is that on kernel 3.0? | 18:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | 'fat chance'? | 18:25 |
| slaine | lcuk: some in 3.0 but I think most of it landed for 3.1 | 18:25 |
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| slaine | Gives you a basic frame buffer device, no backend acceleration, but supposedly this new architecture that tomeu is talking about is built off it | 18:26 |
| slaine | according to Phoronix posts anyway, so not entirely believable | 18:26 |
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| Venemo_N950 | heh | 18:26 |
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| Venemo_N950 | btw, why does Intel use PowerVR instead of their own stuff? | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | slaine, that would be quite a good starting point | 18:29 |
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| slaine | Venemo_N950: Yes, hence the problems | 18:30 |
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| Venemo_N950 | slaine, the question is why? | 18:31 |
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| slaine | Venemo_N950: Low Power GPU, something Intel didn't have | 18:31 |
| Venemo_N950 | I thought theirs are low-power too | 18:32 |
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| slaine | Venemo_N950: which ones ? | 18:32 |
| slaine | Their SandyBridge ones etc. are not low power | 18:33 |
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| Venemo_N950 | really? meh. | 18:34 |
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| slaine | Venemo_N950: Basically they licensed the SGX535 core for Moorestown (the dreaded GMA500 chipset) | 18:36 |
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| slaine | They've a newer revision of that core licensed on the Oaktrail platform SoC (Atom Z6xx cpu's) | 18:36 |
| slaine | What I'm not clear on is if that GPU core is also going to get used on CedarTrail, it looks like Yes, which means bad things for us | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | slaine, whilst not perfect, continuing to use sgx is more of a problem why? | 18:40 |
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| slaine | binary driver blobs | 18:40 |
| arfoll | lcuk: the problem is the SGX535 wasnt used just in moorestown, and actually on moorestown the driver is incompatible with the ce4100 one or the poulsbo ones | 18:41 |
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| arfoll | but we could hope that the more chips start using it, the better support is | 18:41 |
| lcuk | that makes it clearer arfoll | 18:42 |
| * lcuk would like to do research on graphics chips one day :) | 18:42 | |
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| lcuk | I remember when javispedro was attempting to get gles working on the n900 | 18:42 |
| lcuk | and he had a single triangle :D | 18:42 |
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| javispedro | those were the times, eh? :) | 18:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:44 |
| lcuk | speaking of rendering and graphics | 18:44 |
| lcuk | one of the best qt upgrades I have seen is wrt text rendering | 18:44 |
| lcuk | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/07/15/text-rendering-in-the-qml-scene-graph/ | 18:44 |
| lcuk | a good read for anybody interested :) | 18:44 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, can you send me those links now? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://blip.tv/carsten-munk/qt-components-harmattan-on-n900-meego-1-3-based-5508447 | 19:32 |
| mcfrisk_ | Hello, does anyone know why meego has different source packages for kernel and kernel-headers? | 19:34 |
| Venemo | thx Stskeeps | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk_: kernel-headers basically defines the common kernel api | 19:34 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, hey, this seems to be performing very nicely | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk_: kernel (or adaptation kernels) has to be that version or higher | 19:35 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, sheets are buggy...? | 19:35 |
| mcfrisk_ | ok, just feels odd that they come from different source package which are kept in sync behind the curtains.. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i just tapped the wrong way i think | 19:36 |
| Venemo | mhm | 19:36 |
| Venemo | is this Mer? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | no, meego 1.3 | 19:37 |
| Venemo | ah. | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | qt 4.8 really helps matters | 19:37 |
| Venemo | does it perform that much better? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | seems so | 19:38 |
| Venemo | :) | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: OK, i never fully understood CBinstall:, is it like for native workers, let's say, OBS worker on MIPS hardware? | 20:07 |
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| ScriptRipper | CBinstall: is executed on workers that can run x86 + the target arch, e.g. x86 + arm or x86 + mips | 20:13 |
| ScriptRipper | and other wise skipped | 20:13 |
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| ScriptRipper | so that we can have one single prjconf for native workers or "dual workers" | 20:13 |
| ScriptRipper | thats why meego has for ARM cross + native compilers | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that makes sense | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | in my minimal core i was planning on moving the cross part of prjconf into the sub-ports | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 20:15 |
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| ScriptRipper | e.g. MeeGo ARM fully works on: only native machines | 20:16 |
| ScriptRipper | for ARM + x86 with emulator + cross toolchain | 20:16 |
| ScriptRipper | that was the idea behind it | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | how does it work anyway? workers can be on other things than opensuse? | 20:16 |
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| ScriptRipper | yes. you can install worker on beagleboard and it works | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 20:17 |
| ScriptRipper | or you can install osc + build on beagleboard | 20:17 |
| ScriptRipper | and local build works | 20:17 |
| ScriptRipper | that was the idea | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that makes sense | 20:17 |
| ScriptRipper | so worker with QEMU is detected and says: i can do also x86, and then CBinstall is executed | 20:18 |
| ScriptRipper | its like VMinstall: | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 20:18 |
| ScriptRipper | VMinstall: is only executed in the worker if worker runs on Virtual Machine | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | i kind of wonder what happened to the meego MIPS port | 20:19 |
| ScriptRipper | no idea. anyway, I have the QEMU support for MIPS working good enough | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:19 |
| ScriptRipper | so we can build Debian pkgs for MIPS | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | qemu-mips, like qemu-arm? | 20:20 |
| ScriptRipper | yes | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 20:20 |
| ScriptRipper | its now fixed good enough | 20:20 |
| ScriptRipper | that you can run chroot with OBS | 20:20 |
| ScriptRipper | not sure how good it would perform with complete MeeGo pkgs | 20:20 |
| ScriptRipper | e.g. 1400 of them | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we could do a try with my subset | 20:21 |
| ScriptRipper | but basic OBS testsuite for ppc 32 abi 32 + mips passes | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | i sent a mail to the guy who i think did a port | 20:21 |
| ScriptRipper | yes, would be interesting to try it | 20:21 |
| ScriptRipper | I check Debian Sid | 20:21 |
| ScriptRipper | e.g. relatively recent versions of Debian with MIPS | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | besides my wireless routers i don't think i own any MIPS hw | 20:22 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I guess we are getting more and more possible fields for our 'research obs'? :) | 20:23 |
| dm8tbr | I still think meego could also be interesting for non-UI embedded devices | 20:23 |
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| * dm8tbr had this wild idea of router-UX at some point (web interface) | 20:23 | |
| ScriptRipper | basic compilation with Debian 6.0 and Sid on MIPS 32 works here | 20:24 |
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| ScriptRipper | not sure what happens when we do 1400 meego pkgs | 20:24 |
| ScriptRipper | we can start with the 200 base build pkgs | 20:25 |
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| ScriptRipper | and cross comp saves a lot of issues | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:26 |
| ScriptRipper | I hope the port is not mips n32 or so | 20:27 |
| ScriptRipper | I think QEMU has problem there | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | philosophical discussion: does qml components belong in a core? | 20:28 |
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| berndhs | Stskeeps: i think the standard ones do, otherwise Qt doesn't belong in the core either | 20:29 |
| lcuk | berndhs, from a stability perspective should they be there at first revision? | 20:29 |
| berndhs | have to be specific about which components | 20:30 |
| berndhs | I think the harmattan collection, and the tablet-ux collection and that, do not belong in core | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | .. what others are there? | 20:30 |
| berndhs | only the stuff that ships with QtQuick on all platforms | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | you mean nothing? :P | 20:30 |
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| berndhs | I mean the ones you get when you install Qt | 20:31 |
| berndhs | bare bones stuff, ListView, PinchArea, that type of stuff | 20:31 |
| berndhs | otherwise you are being platform specific | 20:31 |
| berndhs | philosophically speaking :) | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, and now you start to see where core has its issues :P | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i still wonder how much effort it would truly be to build something around http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/10/qml-components-for-desktop/ for netbook | 20:37 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I guess that would fall initially around the community experimentation | 20:38 |
| berndhs | one would hope that Qt will soon include a reasonable set of components of course | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fairly impressed with the harmattan ones | 20:38 |
| berndhs | i haven't looked closely at the harmattan ones, because they're only harmattan | 20:38 |
| lcuk | for now berndhs | 20:39 |
| lcuk | I am also impressed | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | they have matured quite well | 20:39 |
| berndhs | yes until Qt decides what they will do | 20:39 |
| lcuk | but then again, the intel tablet ux ones can be doing same maturity | 20:39 |
| berndhs | maybe this will be a moot issue with Qt5 | 20:39 |
| lcuk | i tried finding a class tree comparison | 20:40 |
| lcuk | and pondered generating one, just to see where the differences are | 20:40 |
| lcuk | it would certainly be hard work to unify them | 20:40 |
| lcuk | but beneficial in qml adoption | 20:40 |
| w00t_ | berndhs: the way things are heading, for integrating with specific platforms, you'll probably have to use specific components | 20:41 |
| w00t_ | on mobile, at least | 20:41 |
| berndhs | w00t_: that's proably true, and also bad news | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | bbl badminton | 20:41 |
| w00t_ | there is also a 'custom' set of components that provide an identical API and L&F on all platforms, but it also isn't native | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | it does muddy the developer story | 20:41 |
| lcuk | are both sets of components runnable on same machine | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | with the end result that it wouldn't matter | 20:42 |
| lcuk | tablet ux using its set and running apps using qt components | 20:42 |
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| w00t_ | berndhs: http://achipa.blogspot.com/2011/07/qt-components-story-of-ugly-qwidgetling.html describes part of the story, I should probably write up information about the unified set and the discussions that happened in berlin during the contributors conference | 20:42 |
| w00t_ | fwiw I used to think it was bad news too, but honestly, after the talks in berlin, I'm almost convinced | 20:43 |
| berndhs | I know people are supposed to give up the idea that an application can run on 2 platforms | 20:43 |
| w00t_ | no | 20:43 |
| w00t_ | that the same *UI* can run on two platforms | 20:44 |
| berndhs | right | 20:44 |
| berndhs | i don't want to re-code the UI either, just because some company has decided on a particular shade of blue | 20:44 |
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| w00t_ | it's not 'shade of blue' | 20:45 |
| w00t_ | it's the completely different interaction ideas, and so on, and so forth | 20:45 |
| berndhs | if 3 companies offer phones of screen sizes 854x480, 932x520 and 800x497, thats no reason to code a new UI | 20:45 |
| w00t_ | it's not the sizes | 20:45 |
| w00t_ | look at harmattan and meego - purportedly almost the same platform - one has titlebars, a close button, and a home button, the other has none of the above and swipe.. then there's android | 20:45 |
| berndhs | yes | 20:45 |
| berndhs | all blatantly silly reasons to code an entirely new UI | 20:46 |
| w00t_ | is 5 minutes of work really worth that much worrying? | 20:46 |
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| berndhs | whether your applicaiton is started and closed by swipe or hardware button doesn't make any difference | 20:46 |
| berndhs | you shouldn't have to recode the UI for that | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | how much difference is there, really, between one mobile phone with a touch screen, and another mobile phone also with a touchscreen? | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | ok, go out and prove that the teams that did components are wrong then | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | i'd really like for them to be | 20:47 |
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| w00t_ | but there's a lot of very smart people there, and they don't think it's a maintainable solution | 20:47 |
| berndhs | they dont want to maintain 1 solution | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | and having looked into the details of what's required, while i'm not a huge fan, i probably agree | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | they did | 20:47 |
| berndhs | they want to maintain _their_ solution | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | that's why you have symbian and harmattan with the same API | 20:47 |
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| berndhs | anyway, that's sort of off topic | 20:48 |
| berndhs | this was about which, if any, set of components to include in core | 20:48 |
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| berndhs | and I'm suggesting that, if there is no common set, then include none of them in core | 20:49 |
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| w00t_ | it depends on what core we're talking about | 20:49 |
| berndhs | yes | 20:49 |
| w00t_ | if it's CE, then harmattan is probably not too bad an idea, given it'd be lovely if CE could run as many harmattan applications out of the box | 20:50 |
| berndhs | if it is phone-core, that's different than device independent core | 20:50 |
| w00t_ | if it's an OS, then i'd agree, nothing | 20:50 |
| berndhs | if it is N900 core, then I would argue its' not a core, its platform specific | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | very well described w00t_ | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | I think Kate also gave similar about the variations recently | 20:52 |
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| berndhs | but we shouldn't include things because they are nice, or work well, or look good | 20:52 |
| lcuk | and just trying to think of qt app on various versions of symbian is the same | 20:52 |
| w00t_ | a/me -> dinner | 20:53 |
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| crazedpsyc | all this talk of qemu made me get it, and all the meego additions for it from the AUR... any way to actually boot meego (tablet | netbook) on it, with a GUI? | 21:00 |
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| lcukn900 | crazedpsyc you should be able to | 21:03 |
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| crazedpsyc | Ok, I got the default TWM xsession.. can't figure out how to start the meego interface though. Just put 'exec ck-launch-session meego-launch' in a .xinitrc? | 21:05 |
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| bazZti | hi folks | 21:24 |
| bazZti | can i handle meego with a remote (logitech harmony one) and an hp receiver? | 21:24 |
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| meegofreak_ | hello is there any meego tab to buy already? | 22:56 |
| meegofreak_ | tablet i mean | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | wetab | 22:57 |
| meegofreak_ | its not original meego | 22:57 |
| meegofreak_ | can you install meego on it? after rooted shell? | 22:57 |
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| meegofreak_ | it s already a pain to get root and then to install a new meego os, in case it fails, you need as well much pain to update with the wetab stick | 22:58 |
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| andre__ | meegofreak_, well, if you shipped "original meego" as a hardware producer, you'd have no differentiation at all... so you shouldn't expect any "original meego" tabs | 22:59 |
| meegofreak_ | urgh | 23:00 |
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| andre__ | meegofreak_, I'd say this is how the industry works. | 23:01 |
| andre__ | nothing specific to meego, same for android etc | 23:01 |
| meegofreak_ | does archos tab 10 " allow to install meego ? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | auke: what service would be responsible for bringing up a login prompt on console in systemd? | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | andre__, differentiation perhaps | 23:02 |
| lcuk | but with a solid suite of standard apps | 23:02 |
| andre__ | lcuk, true. all depends on levels :) | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | we should be working together on the solid suite of apps | 23:03 |
| * TSCHAKeee seriously wonders why people don't understand this... | 23:03 | |
| lcuk | and let differentiation come naturally as vendors tweak it and add flowers and other decoration :P | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: i think we should never have shown anything but a xterm | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | hahaha | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | i do have one lingering question | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | what will happen to Netbook? | 23:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | right now, it's like the guy with the window office, looking out the window...with nothing to do. | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | god knows.. someone cared enough to back away from GNOME3 in 1.3 and i have no idea if 1.3 images work atm | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | it boggles the mind | 23:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is there a 1.3 x86 image of anything? | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: IVI i think is coming along | 23:05 |
| lcuk | the only one I have seen was from sages' foundary | 23:05 |
| lcuk | roger | 23:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is there any good IVI reference hardware floating around? | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | the congatec stuff disappeared | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, lcuk: dunno if you guys saw, but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4eh4k9Ffs and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gzNGMSv0b4 | 23:08 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 23:09 | |
| TSCHAKeee | the aeon skin has progresed a LOT in the last few days, but basically, after XBMC trying to make fun of us at SCALE, I'e made it my mission to just shove it in their facecs as we do our new engine | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | faces | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | competition is good, keeps you sharp | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:10 |
| * CosmoHill looks at Adobe and Macromedia | 23:12 | |
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| Ulf_ | Stskeeps, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=18652 | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, also for tty0? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | (virtual console) | 23:15 |
| * Stskeeps bookmarks that bug, seems useful | 23:15 | |
| Ulf_ | :) | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: should be easy to remember bug 18652 | 23:15 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18652 nor, Medium, ---, chris.e.ferron, RELE FIXED, Separate packages for hardware adaptation serials | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | 5+ 1 = 6 + 2 = 8 | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: yeah, my mind isn't wired like that | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | neither is mine | 23:16 |
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| CosmoHill | mine's wired like an old jag | 23:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | anyone seen vgrade? | 23:17 |
| CosmoHill | ~seen vgrade | 23:18 |
| infobot | vgrade is currently on #harmattan (18h 50m 4s) #meego (18h 50m 4s), last said: 'annma, http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/Wireless_on_Plasma_Active_MeeGo_'. | 23:18 |
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