| DocScrutinizer | actually a plain N900 with GSM phone on and no GPRS is ~10mA it seems | 00:00 |
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| thiago | in R&D mode, the N950 keyboard blinked a lot more than the N900 | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then OTOH decent comparative probing for RF-related stuff is almost impossible for "amateurs" | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you got your own RF-tight chamber and test BTS, you won't get reproducible results on testing GSM | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where test BTS is sth like R&S CMU200, ~100k bucks | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | RL RF situation is way to random to do decent tests | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but yes, allegedly N950 cellmo is more advanced than N900's BB5, also regarding power conservation | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then OTOH the reported poor sensitivity will more than compensate for that when device is used out in the wild | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the n950 stock seems to have pretty good battery | 00:09 |
| lcuk | for the number of applications open | 00:09 |
| lcuk | i was pleasantly surprised | 00:09 |
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| TimmyT | how to change the keyboard layout in meego for netbook? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yep, Nokia has a record for knowing how to properly handle their hw and how to build apps that don't usually hog battery. Though for HARM they seem to have fallen in the pitfall of adopting some upstream drivers without thorough evaluaton if those actually comply with Nokia's standards regarding that | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/drivers/stuff/ | 00:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: lcuk: yep, Nokia has a record for knowing how to properly handle their hw and how to build apps that don't usually hog battery. Though for HARM they seem to have fallen in the pitfall of adopting some upstream stuff without thorough evaluaton if those act... | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | s/a/b/s | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | s/a/b/g | 00:13 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: s/b/b/s | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | balls | 00:13 |
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| thiago | CosmoHill: you can only correct your own lines | 00:14 |
| CosmoHill | okay | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least Nokia devels have an idea about event driven design, that's not sth you can expect to see generally | 00:15 |
| * thiago far too often sees people asking how to call sleep() in #qt | 00:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whole qtmob seems to follow a polling based design rather than a event driven one | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | same for sensord afaict | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's where all patching beginns to get pointless | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when your API and architecture at alrge is broken, no patches will be able to fix that | 00:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests augmentig the usleep() kernel function to kill each process that calls same timer period, from same PC addr, more than 10 times in a 10sec window | 00:23 | |
| thiago | :-) | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | -SIGBORKED | 00:23 |
| * thiago has code for Qt to coalesce some timers | 00:23 | |
| thiago | if you start two timers of 500 ms a few milliseconds apart, after one or two iterations they will be at the same time | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | thiago: you know that's what alarmd does, on fremantle? | 00:24 |
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| thiago | can I guess an obvious "alarm" answer? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even something more low level, not alarmd. I might confuse things. But I know this is an immanent function in fremantle | 00:25 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, that is why I am using Linux timers, not Qt timers | 00:25 |
| RST38h | Coalesce all you want, but do take a class in RT scheduling first :) | 00:26 |
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| thiago | RST38h: Qt does not guarantee RT | 00:31 |
| thiago | never meant to | 00:31 |
| thiago | if you need RT, then you start a thread with RT priority and you do your own deterministic code. | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think RST38h 's point was somewhat different | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe not | 00:32 |
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| wald0_ | exopc uses also a meego OS like the wetab ? | 00:57 |
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| TimmyT | i | 00:57 |
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| TimmyT | is it possible to add repositories of opensuse into meego and install apps from there? | 00:58 |
| TimmyT | i've installed opera for opensuse and it works fine | 00:58 |
| CosmoHill | TimmyT: I highly doubt it, it would be like installing nissan parts in a BMW | 00:59 |
| CosmoHill | it may work or you may need a new car afterwards | 00:59 |
| TimmyT | btw how to add a new repository in meego? i've never worked with RPM based distros | 01:00 |
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| thiago | wmarone: exopc comes with windows 7 by default | 01:01 |
| thiago | er | 01:01 |
| thiago | wald0_: ^^^ | 01:01 |
| thiago | wald0_: it will use meego if you install meego on it | 01:01 |
| CosmoHill | TimmyT: I'm not sure but I'm sure there is a guide somewhere | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | TimmyT: the only repos for MeeGo and MeeGo and MeeGo's COBS | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | s/and/are/ | 01:02 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: TimmyT: the only repos for MeeGo are MeeGo and MeeGo's COBS | 01:02 |
| berndhs | TimmyT:zypper ar | 01:03 |
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| wald0_ | ah ok, because i just see screenshots and it looks different | 01:05 |
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| zx2c4 | what explains this odd dist-upgrade functionality on the n950? http://pastebin.com/qFdgn9wv | 02:53 |
| zx2c4 | namely, | 02:53 |
| zx2c4 | The following packages will be REMOVED: mp-harmattan-rm680-pr | 02:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | dist-upgrade has been broken in the past. | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't heard that it now works | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | highly unlikely to see this fixed in harmattan while it's been an immutable property of fremantle | 02:58 |
| zx2c4 | DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: why doesnt it want to remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr though? | 02:59 |
| zx2c4 | why does it* | 02:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably because something conflicts with this MP | 03:00 |
| zx2c4 | what does mp standfor? | 03:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Mass Production? | 03:10 |
| Myrtti | perhaps people in #harmattan would know | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | metapackage | 03:11 |
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| zx2c4 | how do i try out meego-ce? | 03:19 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:29 |
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| npm | http://www.meego.com/ is not working? | 07:23 |
| dm8tbr | delivers an empty page | 07:30 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd raise a show stopper for meego IT to check | 07:31 |
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| dm8tbr | npm: have you? should I? | 07:32 |
| dm8tbr | interesting, seems to be just the front page, deeper links seem to work | 07:33 |
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| IanWizard | Evening guys :) | 07:55 |
| IanWizard | anything happening? | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | people in europe waking up | 07:57 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, I should be going to bed :P | 07:59 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, opp, nope, not happening. | 07:59 |
| IanWizard | :) | 07:59 |
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| iekku | haha | 08:09 |
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| IanWizard | Who feels this is illegitimate? http://www.popularelect.com/Nokia-N9-Unlocked-Quad-Band-GSM-Camera-Smartphone-p/N9.htm?gclid=CJOo3PCi9qoCFSUaQgodAm6rLw | 08:27 |
| IanWizard | It offers an SD card, and an extra battery with it. | 08:28 |
| IanWizard | That leads me to believe that it's a hoax / scam | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | quite | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | battery isn't replaceable and there's no sd cardslot | 08:28 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, I'm sayin' | 08:29 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, so is there an ideal place to get it? (US) | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, amazon? | 08:29 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, I don't know how I feel about having to tell chrome to translate the page before I order :P | 08:30 |
| IanWizard | I can't seem to find both. What would the price diff be for 16 vs 64gb? | 08:36 |
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| IanWizard | Does anybody know what the status of 1.3 is? Is it still on it's way? Has it been delayed / scratched, due to the whole Nokia -> MS thing? | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | still working on it | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't be surprised if we're delayed, but keep in mind 1.2 came out a little later too | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | it's now six months since | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | also, there's still people working on it from nokia side of things, though with a community focus (Community Edition peeps) | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | what package is MTF widgets gallery in these days? | 09:12 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, so you're one of the big players? | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | IanWizard: no, just an active member of the project | 09:13 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, ahh, well I'm waiting until I can get CDMA, to port it over to my phone, and actually be able to start with it. | 09:14 |
| IanWizard | Seriously looking into an N9 though :) | 09:14 |
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| lcuk | alterego, I have sent a mail to Greg and Rico this morning letting them know progression on stuff | 09:50 |
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| lcuk | have you spoken to them since we met in london? | 09:50 |
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| lcuk | loading up the n900-ce tablet build today | 10:20 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you have an image built for this 1.3 build you started? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | of the MTF stuff? no | 10:23 |
| lcuk | the 1.3 core stuff that Sage did last week is on meego.com servers though I recall | 10:24 |
| lcuk | and was that the basis for your work? | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, the core images | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's based of it | 10:27 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, that image was on here wasn't it http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest-testing/images/ | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | mmm i thin | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | but we've had some repo problems on arm side | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | submitted a fix for this last night | 10:39 |
| lcuk | good stuff we need images on 1.3 to build and test from | 10:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 10:42 |
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| lcuk | hi DocScrutinizer | 10:44 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, if that can be made into an image I will have a go at testing wallcalendar qt on it | 10:46 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, that video you showed it is still using the qt x11 components? | 10:50 |
| lcuk | or is that based on wayland? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | qt x11 | 10:50 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough for 1.3 | 10:50 |
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| lcuk | for 1.4 we should be looking properly for wayland and hopefully optimisations and maturity of the kde plasma might occur too | 10:51 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap1.4 | 10:51 |
| * lcuk will keep at this roadmap every day and try to fill it out and ensure components are found which allow us to continue towards it | 10:52 | |
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| Sage | lcuk: http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/images/meego-core-armv7hl-n900/ | 10:56 |
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| lcuk | good stuff sage, thanks | 10:57 |
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| lcuk | Sage, will that tablet-ux image eventually actually contain a tablet-ux image? | 10:58 |
| lcuk | for the n900-ce | 10:58 |
| Sage | lcuk: ? | 10:58 |
| Sage | that tablet image in that same dir will eventually contain tablet ux yes. However there are a lot of libmeegotouch dependencies in packages still that needs to be removed. | 10:59 |
| lcuk | yes indeed | 10:59 |
| lcuk | I am just trying to get it straight as to where the steering should lead us towards | 11:00 |
| lcuk | with the example timoph did yesterday, the plasma active components are good looking and worth considering | 11:00 |
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| Sage | lcuk: sure for ce. But that tablet image is just vanilla meego image for ARM testing tablet ux pretty much. | 11:02 |
| lcuk | yes sage indeed | 11:02 |
| lcuk | sage I have the tablet ux on my n900 now | 11:03 |
| Sage | There is still 22 failed and 11 unresolved packages in Trunk:Testing for i586 which most are also on ARM. | 11:03 |
| Sage | the funny thing is that many of those are libmeegotouch deps :P | 11:04 |
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| lcuk | well yeah sage | 11:04 |
| slaine | arfoll: you about ? | 11:04 |
| lcuk | sage and anybody else - do you have anything to add to the roadmap http://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap1.4 | 11:05 |
| lcuk | for instance is this a feasible direction to aim towards | 11:06 |
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| * lcuk goes and reads another chapter of Jonos book | 11:06 | |
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| lcuk | Sage, n900-ce tablet ux grid still looks rather odd | 11:17 |
| lcuk | bug 21416 | 11:17 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21416 nor, Undecided, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, [CE] App launcher in landscape n900 is odd | 11:17 |
| * lcuk wonders how to cure this in qml | 11:17 | |
| Sage | lcuk: 404 not found for the image | 11:21 |
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| lcuk | Sage, added as an attachment | 11:24 |
| Sage | ah that problem | 11:25 |
| Sage | It should limit the amount of icons or resize them | 11:25 |
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| lcuk | yes sage | 11:27 |
| lcuk | since it is qml I might have a look into the qml | 11:28 |
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| lcuk | Sage, does the tablet ux in n900-ce use a different ssh port/address to the handset? | 11:42 |
| lcuk | I have latest installed and my lan ssh 192.168.2.15 does not connect | 11:42 |
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| lcuk | sorted now | 11:48 |
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| lcuk | wazd, heya, this is new todo/tasks ui, does it look simple enough to be usable? http://liqbase.net/a/liq.20110830_092213.liqtasks.scr.png | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: did you ever read up about Getting Things Done? | 12:20 |
| lcuk | yes and this is related | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:20 |
| lcuk | i used to make notes and they would be gone from front screen the next morning | 12:21 |
| lcuk | this tasks screen is like my old handwritten todos | 12:21 |
| lcuk | and remains at top until completed | 12:21 |
| lcuk | much better focus | 12:21 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, what do you use to keep track of tasks? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: tbh, nothing atm | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | i used to use GTD extensively when i was working at uni and interacted with many different people in a day in person | 12:25 |
| lcuk | yes, likewise | 12:25 |
| lcuk | and in each meeting I would take a list of items and complete them in order | 12:26 |
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| yellabs-r2 | hello all | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 12:35 |
| yellabs-r2 | meego goes to sleep after about an hour , i would like to turn that off | 12:35 |
| yellabs-r2 | i have set two things to "never " in the settings, but that seems not enough | 12:36 |
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| yellabs-r2 | any settings i forgot somehow ? | 12:36 |
| yellabs-r2 | tips are more then welcome | 12:38 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 12:38 |
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| yellabs-r2 | i see there are some updates, i am going to update it all , maybe that fixes it | 12:43 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps how close to that sort of GTD process can be made here. the meetings and sprints are one important element of that | 12:43 |
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| lcuk | but for steering/governance we also need to not just complete existing items but ensure future items are being considered | 12:44 |
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| wald0_ | i have just got a wetab, i would like to try other operating systems on it (linux, of course), i tried some "plasma active" but they dont works or they are bloated, is there any OS recommendation for tablets ? | 12:44 |
| yellabs-r2 | meego ? | 12:45 |
| yellabs-r2 | puppy linux .. | 12:45 |
| andre__ | to me linux IS an OS... do you mean distros? | 12:45 |
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| wald0_ | it is meego better than the default wetab ? | 12:45 |
| wald0_ | yes, distros | 12:46 |
| lcuk | timoph, if plasma is bloated on wetab, you mentioned it ran a bit slow on n900 - how usable was it in comparison to current ux | 12:46 |
| yellabs-r2 | i dont know, cant compare | 12:46 |
| * wald0_ noods that windows is an "IS" and not an "OS" | 12:46 | |
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| wald0_ | the website of meego doesn0t have screenshots ? mmmh... | 12:48 |
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| lcuk | wald0_, what is IS | 12:48 |
| wald0_ | Inoperative System :) | 12:49 |
| CosmoHill | wald0_: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=meego+1.2 | 12:49 |
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| wald0_ | is there a live iso of meego ? | 12:51 |
| alterego | lcuk: cool. | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | wald0_, there are many | 12:52 |
| yellabs-r2 | i have use this one for installing on pc https://meego.com/devices/netbook | 12:52 |
| lcuk | https://meego.com/downloads | 12:53 |
| CosmoHill | wald0_: the images are dual purpose, they are bootable livecds and live usb images | 12:53 |
| wald0_ | they are live or for install ? | 12:53 |
| wald0_ | netbooks == touchscreen (tablet/wetab) ? | 12:54 |
| CosmoHill | wald0_: you have a choice at the boot menu | 12:54 |
| wald0_ | aha, nice | 12:54 |
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| CosmoHill | I believe the tablet versions are hosted somewhere else | 12:54 |
| wald0_ | so meego is not originally made for tablets and touchscreens ? | 12:55 |
| timoph | lcuk: a bit slower | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | it's one of the target sectors yes | 12:56 |
| yellabs-r2 | i get lost of updates, is there a way to alway's get the newest iso for install ? | 12:57 |
| wald0_ | so what's the main purpose (or main target idea sector) then ? | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | I believe the tablet image has some things in it which mean you can't download it from MeeGo, something to do with the driver's EULA iirc | 12:57 |
| wald0_ | simply netbooks and small computers ? | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | wald0_: meego's for all sorts of devices | 12:57 |
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| CosmoHill | yellabs-r2: Meego only do the main release (1.0, 1.1, 1.2 etc), to get (1.2.1) you'll need to install 1.2 and then update it | 12:57 |
| yellabs-r2 | yes i have 1.2 installed on 3 devices | 12:58 |
| yellabs-r2 | lots of updates.. :) | 12:58 |
| CosmoHill | wald0_: netbooks / tops, tablets, car PCs (IVI) and handests | 12:58 |
| CosmoHill | yellabs-r2: maybe consider setting up a mirror repo for personal use? | 12:58 |
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| yellabs-r2 | yeah, something like that i guess | 12:58 |
| yellabs-r2 | can i turn updates totally off somewhere ? | 12:59 |
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| CosmoHill | wald0_: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview | 12:59 |
| lcuk | timoph, do you have a video of its usability? | 13:00 |
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| CosmoHill | yellabs-r2: I suppose if you disable the repo it won't check it for updates | 13:00 |
| lcuk | so we can work out if special focus can be given | 13:00 |
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| yellabs-r2 | ok | 13:00 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: .o/ | 13:00 |
| timoph | lcuk: http://timoph.blogspot.com/2011/08/running-plasma-active-desktop-on-top-of.html | 13:00 |
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| lcuk | thanks timoph | 13:01 |
| timoph | np | 13:01 |
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| wald0_ | thanks CosmoHill, i will make a try | 13:02 |
| wald0_ | what's the meego based os ? debian ? | 13:02 |
| CosmoHill | it's based on itself | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | meego's based on itself, it's rpm | 13:03 |
| lcuk | timoph, looks polished but laggy | 13:03 |
| lcuk | i wonder how much can be cured hm | 13:03 |
| lcuk | Sage, in the tabletux, i just tried making the icon size 50x50 instead of 100x100 | 13:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | wald0_, somewhat based on Fedora, but it claims that this is no longer the case, as the devs no longer take Fedora stuff as base | 13:03 |
| lcuk | and visually it is better | 13:03 |
| lcuk | but is not solution | 13:03 |
| wald0_ | "based on itself" sounds me like LFS | 13:04 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: are the icons vector based? | 13:04 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, dunno | 13:04 |
| CosmoHill | wald0_: aweome, you've heard of LFS :D | 13:04 |
| lcuk | i guess some are and some arent | 13:04 |
| lcuk | the fennec icon is still large | 13:04 |
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| lcuk | i am trying to poke around in bug 21416 | 13:05 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21416 nor, Undecided, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, [CE] App launcher in landscape n900 is odd | 13:05 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, look on the screnshot on the comment | 13:05 |
| lcuk | to get an idea what I mean | 13:05 |
| wald0_ | CosmoHill: its in my todo list :), unfortunately, the real world has only 24 hours in a day | 13:05 |
| timoph | lcuk: yep | 13:05 |
| lcuk | wald0_, you need a better todo list then :P | 13:05 |
| CosmoHill | wald0_: the best advise I can give you is to read the book very carefully and do not skip any of the pages | 13:06 |
| wald0_ | lcuk: i need to rm it, its too big :) | 13:06 |
| yellabs-r2 | is there an alternative to meego ? :P | 13:06 |
| wald0_ | CosmoHill: thx, well, the main problem is time... i suppose that it requires really a lot of time to make it | 13:07 |
| CosmoHill | a day if you have a decent system and can follow instructions and skip the tests | 13:07 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: as I see, things overlap | 13:08 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: looks very similar to the problems i had with the panels bit | 13:08 |
| lcuk | yes CosmoHill ali1234 | 13:08 |
| yellabs-r2 | updated meego , fixes installed , lets hope it does not go to sleep , so i can deliver this work on time | 13:08 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 13:08 |
| lcuk | and some of the icons are missing most likely because of desktop file | 13:08 |
| lcuk | i wonder how to make qml load a backup/default icon | 13:08 |
| wald0_ | only a day ??, nice to know that is possible to make it in not much time, by other side im a bit slow reading, but thx, you have motivated me again to try it :) | 13:08 |
| ali1234 | pretty much the problem is that qml doesn't have a sensible way to resize things | 13:08 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i like to give a box for stuff | 13:09 |
| yellabs-r2 | can i slipstream updates ? | 13:09 |
| lcuk | and allow content to fit large enough to fill it | 13:09 |
| yellabs-r2 | rsync ? | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | that doesn't work with qml | 13:09 |
| lcuk | it works great for automatic landscape/portrait orientation | 13:09 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:09 |
| lcuk | .. | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | because it is up to each element, how it scales | 13:09 |
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| ali1234 | so half the things will expand when you put them in a bigger box | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | the other half won't | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | like the icons didn't | 13:09 |
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| ali1234 | (shrink, in this case) | 13:10 |
| ali1234 | that becomes a problem when you have many levels of nested objects | 13:10 |
| lcuk | yes, sensible resizing is something I have tried to discuss over the years | 13:10 |
| lcuk | the very first ui I did on maemo would happily scale | 13:10 |
| lcuk | this was before qml was invented :P | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | this is exactly what i was talking about when i said qml reminds me of the bad old days of html | 13:12 |
| ali1234 | if you want to get that screen working on n900 or any different sized screen you are going to have to go through and change loads of constants in many places | 13:13 |
| ali1234 | you will essentially have to fork it | 13:13 |
| ali1234 | and good luck merging upstream changes after you've done that | 13:13 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, really though qml components can gracefully handle resizing themselves | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | some of them do, some of them don't | 13:15 |
| lcuk | and it just takes tweaking to get the overall app to filter those through | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | the real problem is with nesting though | 13:15 |
| lcuk | sure | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | if you only ever have 1 element, then sure, it will always resize correctly | 13:15 |
| lcuk | even with nested layers it is possible, but it depends on the approach | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | yes, just like it does with html | 13:16 |
| lcuk | timoph, do the plasma items appear to handle landscape.portrait ? | 13:16 |
| lcuk | ali1234, with js it is feasible | 13:16 |
| lcuk | it is not like we have entirely static pages and content | 13:17 |
| ali1234 | html has javascript too | 13:17 |
| ali1234 | it is rarely the correct way to fix problems like these though | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | so how should it be done | 13:17 |
| yellabs-r2 | hmm, meego still turns off the screen ( to black ) after 30 minutes or so | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | since ali1234 even html5 is around and will have similar issues | 13:18 |
| yellabs-r2 | not nice | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | css went a long way to fixing the problems of html | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | not really appropriate here though | 13:19 |
| yellabs-r2 | where would that setting be hidden ? | 13:19 |
| timoph | lcuk: didn't check :) | 13:19 |
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| ali1234 | i think the only way to really solve it is to ditch pixel units entirely | 13:21 |
| ali1234 | and have a virtual viewport | 13:21 |
| ali1234 | that can always be absolutely scaled | 13:21 |
| ali1234 | developers would not be able to ever say "this element is 200 pixels wide" | 13:22 |
| CosmoHill | it would be a percentage? | 13:23 |
| CosmoHill | like a vector :) | 13:23 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 13:23 |
| ali1234 | % of the longest side of the screen or something | 13:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | This works only when the pixels are irresolvable | 13:25 |
| lcuk | ali1234, the unit definition is unimportant, pixels are good for mental grid layout | 13:25 |
| lcuk | but yes them taking those and scaling approriately is important | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | the other nasty thing that QML does is it lets you say "this element is x% of the parent element" | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | To be able to properly do relative layouts, without restruction, the size of pixels needs to be so small that a one pixel line is not normally visible. | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | but it doesn't specify if that is before or after the parent has been scaled | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | restriction | 13:27 |
| ali1234 | so you have a box, inside the box is an image that is set as "50% the size of the parent" | 13:27 |
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| ali1234 | then you set the parent to 50% size | 13:27 |
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| ali1234 | the box will now end up at 50% of the size of the parent after it has been scaled, and also inherit the 50% scaling from the parent | 13:28 |
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| ali1234 | that is, you scale the parent by 50% and the inner box ends up 25% of the size it would have been, if the parent was 100% | 13:28 |
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| ali1234 | which just makes no sense at all | 13:29 |
| lcuk | the inner box will occupy half the outerbox | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | only if the outerbox is 100% | 13:31 |
| lcuk | it will not relatively occupy 1/4 of the box | 13:31 |
| lcuk | it will keep its 50% | 13:31 |
| tomeu | I don't think there's a way to have a nice looking UI that can adapt to different screen sizes and that looks good on all languages | 13:31 |
| ali1234 | if the outerbox is scaled by 50% then the inner box will occupy 25% of it | 13:31 |
| lcuk | tomeu, it depends on the ui | 13:31 |
| tomeu | lcuk: well, it restricts the designer a lot | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | tomeu: it's hard but can be done | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | tomeu, the designer is cramming lots of useless info then | 13:32 |
| tomeu | that's why *Step and nowadays Apple separate the UI definition and give tools that designers and localizators can use to adapt the UI to the new conditions | 13:32 |
| lcuk | sure | 13:32 |
| lcuk | you can also give the designers their devices | 13:32 |
| lcuk | to ensure they are usable day/day | 13:33 |
| tomeu | also, the more complex APIs you devise so developers can create ultra-flexible UIs, the worst results you end up getting, because not all developers will take the time to understand it all | 13:33 |
| lcuk | tomeu, KISS | 13:33 |
| lcuk | look at this ui: http://liqbase.net/a/liq.20110830_092213.liqtasks.scr.png | 13:34 |
| tomeu | that's what happened with Java's Swing, the only good Java UIs I have seen were made at Sun | 13:34 |
| lcuk | as readable and understandable when rendered at 100x100 pixels as it is at 1024*600 | 13:34 |
| ali1234 | wat | 13:34 |
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| tomeu | I really doubt designers will be happy to limit themselves to those UIs | 13:35 |
| lcuk | tomeu, design for the meego handset harmattan | 13:36 |
| lcuk | and you will soon see simpler is winning | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | try to cram lots of detail into each screen and the user is more confused | 13:36 |
| ali1234 | define winning? | 13:36 |
| lcuk | ali1234, usable and unconfused | 13:37 |
| ali1234 | anyway, this isn't about cramming | 13:37 |
| lcuk | well it is | 13:37 |
| lcuk | the bug on the tablet ux | 13:38 |
| ali1234 | this is about a UI that explodes when you move it from 1024x600 to 800x480, even though they are practically identical | 13:38 |
| lcuk | is over crammed | 13:38 |
| lcuk | which was why I started discussing this | 13:38 |
| * lcuk is actually working on bug fixing | 13:38 | |
| ali1234 | it isn't overcrammed, it is just that qml scaling doesn't work | 13:38 |
| ali1234 | at least not in a sensible way that is likely to produce good results | 13:38 |
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| ali1234 | the Ui would be fine if everything on it scaled uniformaly | 13:39 |
| ali1234 | but scaling doesn't work like that in qml :) | 13:39 |
| ali1234 | btw the reason for the 25% thing is because there's multiple ways of scaling, some of which are inherited, and all of which get multiplied together at the end | 13:40 |
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| ali1234 | what's the easiest way to get qml viewer on ubuntu 11.04? | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | oh, it is already packaged, neat | 13:42 |
| CosmoHill | hey Jaffa | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | whilst I am somewhat pleased with the calculator in n900-ce, the designers choice to add a close button on the "." key is somewhat frustrating | 13:51 |
| timoph | ali1234: apt-get install qt4-qmlviewer :) | 13:51 |
| lcuk | morning Jaffa | 13:51 |
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| * CosmoHill gives ali1234 and lcuk a cup of tea for the interesting discussion | 14:11 | |
| lcuk | Jaffa, have you read the yocto project governance pages by chance? | 14:11 |
| lcuk | \o CosmoHill thanks | 14:11 |
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| yellabs-r2 | to bad, meego falls asleep , and i cant figure out why, might have to go back to ubuntu ... :( | 14:15 |
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| CosmoHill | yellabs-r2: I have fedora and it has an annoying habit of making me get out of bed and wiggle the mouce cos the screen has gone blank whilst watching a video | 14:15 |
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| reikalusikka | what stage is the meego for tv on? | 14:16 |
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| yellabs-r2 | thats the same thing , right | 14:16 |
| yellabs-r2 | any solutions ? | 14:16 |
| CosmoHill | not that I know of | 14:17 |
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| CosmoHill | Windows 7 has a nice thing where it will hit the point where it should go to sleep but stays awake until the video finishes then it goes to sleep | 14:17 |
| CosmoHill | not that I would recommend windows 7 over meego >.> | 14:17 |
| yellabs-r2 | hehe | 14:18 |
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| arfoll | slaine, pong | 14:36 |
| niqt | hi | 14:37 |
| biedro | yellabs-r2, I guess there was a coffeine app: https://launchpad.net/caffeine/+download You can get rpm from pkgs.org , not sure if it will work ;) | 14:38 |
| biedro | then your PC will have enough coffeine not to turn to sleep | 14:39 |
| biedro | on any application | 14:39 |
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| yellabs-r2 | okey cool | 14:42 |
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| yellabs-r2 | i am now testing an script that will do " xset dpms 0 0 0" | 14:43 |
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| yellabs-r2 | in the hope to resolve the issue, if that fails i might try to create an script with xdotool to move the mouse every now and then | 14:43 |
| yellabs-r2 | that is , if i can get the right xdotool package for meego | 14:44 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 14:44 |
| biedro | it sounds like fireing canon to hit a fly ;) | 14:44 |
| yellabs-r2 | yeah it is | 14:44 |
| yellabs-r2 | i could also reinstall and use ubuntu, but what would i learn from that ? | 14:45 |
| yellabs-r2 | :P | 14:45 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Don't think so. URL? | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, interesting just as alternative http://www.yoctoproject.org/about/governance | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i was asked to look at how the -CE could be advanced and steered in next few months | 14:55 |
| lcuk | so began reading many areas | 14:55 |
| * Jaffa 'll forward you the mail. | 14:55 | |
| lcuk | ounds reasonable | 14:55 |
| lcuk | s | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Maybe it can be advanced by actuallu introducing a usable device that runs it? | 14:55 |
| lcuk | yes RST38h | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: hrm, interesting type of governance | 14:56 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Added a link in the chat of the Blueprint draft (for my future reference :-)) | 14:57 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I never said it was right, but it certainly should make some cogs whir as we find out a good method for -ce | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: k | 14:57 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Upon which you've been a little quiet ;-) | 14:57 |
| yellabs-r2 | http://vimeo.com/24743626 | 14:57 |
| lcuk | yellabs-r2, I saw that | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, had a run-in with my server and armv7l build finishing | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:58 |
| lcuk | I also saw on the governance page of yocto that their charter document is mislinked | 14:58 |
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| yellabs-r2 | oh , lol | 14:58 |
| lcuk | so that nobody can read its contents | 14:58 |
| lcuk | hopefully the definitions and direction we take with the community edition will be clearer and accessible! | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: fair enough - just was hoping you hadn't read & dismissed in disgust ;-) | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 15:00 |
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| berndhs | morning | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, hm | 15:15 |
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| CosmoHill | BIOS should not be that hard to update | 15:19 |
| lcuk | jaffa how would the proposal help the obvious innovate faster mantra | 15:19 |
| lcuk | if it is looking too far ahead it may get innovation but another 12/24months down the line | 15:19 |
| CosmoHill | hey berndhs | 15:20 |
| CosmoHill | wald0_: fyi #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org | 15:20 |
| lcuk | band that is only if the components are accessible and usable | 15:20 |
| yellabs-r2 | thanks ! later ! | 15:25 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 15:25 |
| yellabs-r2 | running an two hour test .. going to do some other work in the meantime | 15:25 |
| yellabs-r2 | bye all | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: The proposal does not address the need to "innovate faster". Builds off trunk and -experimental branches with more extreme patching may be a logical conclusion; but the main focus of this proposal is governance. Changing the core of the project would require more enagement from stakeholders than is present. If this works as a governance model as Blueprint, it can be adopted as the overall governance model; and then has in-place the nec | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: But you can't tell people to "innovate faster" when there's no leadership (IHO) | 15:41 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, of course not | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | but with the correct guidance and commercial support a team could be tasked with creating a suite of apps tailored to best of available | 15:42 |
| lcuk | ie working from the solid already in place code | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, that is pretty much what is happening already with the tsg | 15:43 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Absolutely; I'd imagine a "Great apps" project (in this proposal's parlance) would slot right in | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Not sure what you mean - *nothing* is happening with the TSG at the moment | 15:43 |
| lcuk | they dont have to be great for this, they have to be simple and usable | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | That fits my definition of "great" (as it does yours, I suspect ;-)) | 15:44 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, will creating a new one help? | 15:44 |
| lcuk | yeah it does | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | or will it be better to actually ask whether the TSG can be expanded to include active membership | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It's not just the PSG; it's the fact there's an expandible governance structure with clearly defined boundaries, responsibilities & people. | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I've asked. | 15:45 |
| slaine | IDF is coming up in a few weeks | 15:45 |
| slaine | we might get some big reveals and the silence might end for a bit | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: The answer is "no" and, paraphrasing, "the TSG doesn't need to be active" | 15:45 |
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| slaine | Oaktrail tablets perhaps running a version of MeeGo UX that we've not seen yet | 15:45 |
| slaine | just random guesses here | 15:46 |
| lcuk | slaine, so how do we align and build on that | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: The argument (and I'm speaking for others here, which makes me uncomfortable) is that architects, maintainers and project owners are doing fine on their own; so the TSG would only get in their way | 15:46 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, all I am thinking at the moment is how to get commercial support for such a group | 15:46 |
| slaine | lcuk: we work to an IDF schedule ;) | 15:46 |
| lcuk | or will it be twiddling thumbs | 15:46 |
| lcuk | with no developers to forward the proposal | 15:47 |
| lcuk | s | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, there should be some vendor benefits to allowing the -CE to be built and flourish and become the trailblazer for new technologies and innovations | 15:51 |
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| frals | slaine: sounds like very random guesses ;-) | 15:51 |
| slaine | well, it's based on past experience with Moblin and MeeGo todate | 15:51 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, in its governance charter it should be exploring strange new worlds, to seek out new life and civilisations etc ;) | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | and to find ways to integrate those discoveries and innovations back into meego core | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, as the document stands now it is duplicating meego current structure rather than building onto it | 15:56 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I don't think it's duplicating existing structure, it's *inspired* by it. But saying "let's all go off and build a new MeeGo from scratch which is shinier" won't get any buy-in; nor will it be *able* to get buy-in. | 16:04 |
| textfield | Greetings. Is the Schmidt here? | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, the community edition has been extremely agile in how it integrates components | 16:05 |
| RST38h | The younger Schmidt or his father? | 16:05 |
| textfield | The German one. | 16:05 |
| RST38h | Died last fall. Sorry. | 16:05 |
| textfield | Max, Randolph, etc. | 16:05 |
| lcuk | continuing that is important | 16:05 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, then when those components are matured they can be evaluated for inclusion in the official roadmap | 16:06 |
| lcuk | recall: Community Edition started as Developer Edition | 16:07 |
| RST38h | These are words. They mean nothing. | 16:07 |
| textfield | aard_, what's the problem with Dooble being installed under /usr/local/dooble? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | RST38h, which words | 16:07 |
| textfield | It's a local installation. | 16:07 |
| RST38h | "developer", "community", etc | 16:07 |
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| textfield | One directory (/usr/local/dooble) and one script (/usr/local/bin/dooble.sh). | 16:08 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ok it set out to provide a good stable core | 16:08 |
| lcuk | with enough flexibility for developers to build apps ontop of | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | the discussion is that meego core cannot respond to such changes required to innovate | 16:09 |
| RST38h | innovation is not a reason behind Meego's existence | 16:09 |
| lcuk | and the community edition has shown flexibility to date | 16:09 |
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| RST38h | You want innovation, look away from a fixed, corporately governed system distribution | 16:10 |
| lcuk | RST38h, arjan was the main person who said this | 16:11 |
| RST38h | One good idea would be to say "I want my apps to run on any Unix system" | 16:11 |
| RST38h | Furthermore, you can say "I want my apps to run on any system that has Qt" | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I'm not sure what you're saying. How I *precluded* that? There's a whole big "Community Edition" box in the middle of the diagram which integrates from the various projects (and elsewhere) and ships something usable. | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | Saying "I am writing Meego-only apps and do not like where Meego is going" has got a problem in the first half, not the second one | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, just discussing how to do it within meego rather than setting up a complete governance duplication | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, is write once, run anywhere still a qt possibility? | 16:21 |
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| CosmoHill | npm: are you logged in at meego.com ? | 16:23 |
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| npm | i login via openid maybe that broke | 16:27 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: have now run through of complete meego with your accelerator fixes | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | fakeroot probably breaks :) | 17:18 |
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| berndhs | the Intel job application website is utterly annoying, awful web design | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, is there a job for a webdesigner on it | 17:26 |
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| berndhs | haven't looked :) | 17:26 |
| lcuk | whats the url | 17:26 |
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| berndhs | http://www.intel.com/jobs/ | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | morning DawnFoster \o | 17:54 |
| DawnFoster | morning lcuk | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, I made a new app to keep ontop of all the things I need to do :) | 17:55 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/a/liq.20110830_092213.liqtasks.scr.png | 17:55 |
| lcuk | started to fill it out as I started to fill out the requirements for many things | 17:55 |
| * lcuk needed to organise his notes more efficiently | 17:56 | |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: did you propose yocto's governance model btw? (i know you worked on helping those guys out :) | 17:57 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I remember working with them on it, but I think Dirk & Dave Stewart were driving more of it. | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: alright | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | one of the better ones i've seen for industry projects | 17:59 |
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| pixelgeek | lcuk: +1 for changing the weather :P | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | pixelgeek, :) | 18:03 |
| lcuk | pixelgeek, have to find a positive future | 18:03 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, this todo is an additional side component in the sketch apps :) hopefully the qt calendar and this will be on ovi and appup soon | 18:05 |
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| Ulf_ | Hi | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | morning Ulf_, thanks for accepting my submissions :) | 18:07 |
| lcuk | hi Ulf_ \o | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | alterego, how many developers are you talking about needing work? | 18:12 |
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| alterego | lcuk: one ;) | 18:16 |
| alterego | Probably about 15-20 hours a week. | 18:16 |
| Ulf_ | Stskeeps, you are welcome! Sorry I didn't get to it sooner | 18:16 |
| Ulf_ | Hi lcuk | 18:17 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: i know of at least 2 | 18:19 |
| lcuk | I know one more, but not for coding duties | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | alterego, does this developer know the ins and outs of app store submission of completed code | 18:25 |
| alterego | lcuk: I'm vaguely familiar with ovi and app up. | 18:25 |
| lcuk | ie if given a contract could also handle ensuring the code is upto ovi/appup standardsA? | 18:25 |
| alterego | btw, we're talking about me, :P | 18:25 |
| lcuk | i know :) | 18:25 |
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| alterego | I'd have to read the ovi stuff again, but judging by some of the cr*p I've downloaded from there I'm sure I'm more than capable ;) | 18:26 |
| timoph | :) | 18:26 |
| lcuk | well alterego we do not want crap :) | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | and I know your code is good having seen you learning qml towards Columbus this year | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | timoph, does the training you are coming to the UK for include store application? | 18:30 |
| timoph | nope | 18:30 |
| * timoph can't tell what :/ | 18:31 | |
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| lcuk | heh timoph we used to do training sessions in old job | 18:31 |
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| lcuk | and only once the customer got into there and discussed could we determine focal areas | 18:32 |
| lcuk | so whilst we had a whole set of training plans | 18:32 |
| lcuk | no two sessions were the same | 18:32 |
| timoph | btw, I might be travelling through manchester.. | 18:33 |
| alterego | lcuk: you gonna attend that session Alex put us in for? | 18:33 |
| lcuk | timoph, \o/ | 18:33 |
| lcuk | if you know when let me know | 18:33 |
| alterego | I should be available to attend now, which'll be cool. | 18:33 |
| timoph | but that bit is a open still | 18:34 |
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| alterego | We should have a mini UK meego/maemo conference ;) | 18:34 |
| timoph | :) | 18:34 |
| lcuk | alterego, I need to know I can continue | 18:34 |
| w00t_ | of course, have a conference *after* I leave | 18:34 |
| * w00t_ shakes fist | 18:34 | |
| timoph | :) | 18:34 |
| lcuk | I am pending a number of things atm | 18:34 |
| lcuk | w00t_, come back for it | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | we can even arrange it in Hull :P | 18:34 |
| w00t_ | noooo | 18:34 |
| w00t_ | :P | 18:34 |
| * lcuk has been to Hull once | 18:35 | |
| alterego | Hah | 18:35 |
| alterego | Cambridge or London please :P | 18:36 |
| alterego | Or how about Leicester :P | 18:36 |
| lcuk | alterego, sorting out the correct path for family is important and I am hoping to actually get apps onto app store so I can relax and get on with future stuff | 18:36 |
| lcuk | alterego, manchester :) | 18:36 |
| * lcuk always travels elsewhere when Manchester is a lovely city :) | 18:36 | |
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| lcuk | alterego, for the training you will need to speak with Chris | 18:38 |
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| alterego | lcuk: will I? I thought she already put our names down for it? | 18:44 |
| alterego | Though with no dates etc, kinda odd :) | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | bbspeak to Chris | 18:46 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I'll send him an email abojut the details later on when I get home. | 18:51 |
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| TimmyT | how to change the font of conversations in gaim? | 18:56 |
| TimmyT | in netbook edition | 18:57 |
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| * CosmoHill got phoned back about a C++ developer job he applied for :) | 20:48 | |
| TSCHAKeee | always a good thing! | 20:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | need to phone them back tomorrow as we were both about to leave | 20:50 |
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| annma | hi! is there any tool for wireless connection on pinetrail with plasma-astive please? | 20:56 |
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| auke | what is plasma-astive? | 20:57 |
| annma | active | 20:57 |
| auke | is that part of KDE? | 20:57 |
| timoph | it is | 20:58 |
| annma | it's on top of Meego | 20:58 |
| auke | KDE on meego? when did that happen? | 20:58 |
| timoph | yesterday :) | 20:58 |
| annma | it's an img from a few weeks ago | 20:58 |
| annma | auke: it's not KDE, it's Plasma-Active | 20:59 |
| timoph | basyscom has been building those images for a while | 20:59 |
| timoph | kom | 20:59 |
| annma | meaning it's not the KDE desktop workspace | 20:59 |
| annma | it's Plasma Acive + Contour | 20:59 |
| auke | potatoe, potatoe | 20:59 |
| annma | Active | 20:59 |
| annma | potatoe? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | annma: maybe #active people would know? | 20:59 |
| auke | you say potaytoe, I say potahtoe | 20:59 |
| auke | or try asking the baysyskom folks | 21:00 |
| annma | Stskeeps: I meant in vanilla meego | 21:00 |
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| auke | vanilla meego doesn't have ... plasma | 21:00 |
| annma | plasma is on top auke | 21:00 |
| timoph | :/ | 21:00 |
| auke | I don't care where plasma is. it's not in meego | 21:00 |
| annma | how doe sone connect from vanilla meego | 21:00 |
| annma | how does one connect from vanilla meego | 21:01 |
| auke | using one of the connman UI's | 21:01 |
| annma | which is please? | 21:01 |
| auke | if you replace the UI, obviously it's gone | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | annma: meego is a core, you have installed an UI on top and you should ask the people making the UI | 21:02 |
| annma | Stskeeps: OK | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | as we don't have any idea about it here | 21:03 |
| annma | anyway I should be able to do it with iwconfig | 21:03 |
| annma | there's always good old cli | 21:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | use the conman test scripts | 21:04 |
| annma | TSCHAKeee: ah that seems a good thing to try, I'll investigate this conman (is it conman or connman) | 21:05 |
| Bostik | connman - and if it has the test scripts/programs along, you can connect to wireless with /usr/lib/connman/... something | 21:07 |
| Bostik | worked for me | 21:07 |
| annma | thanks! | 21:08 |
| Bostik | so even if the UI happens to be broken, it still works (unlike network-manager... in most cases) | 21:10 |
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| annma | ;) | 21:13 |
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| dm8tbr | DawnFoster: I'd like to avoid to see the 24h pass by. Any reaction is fine, including asking for more time. If it passess without any reaction I will do as I told though and I'd really rather not. | 21:20 |
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| DawnFoster | dm8tbr: I just pinged Ryan on this & asked him to look into it asap | 21:20 |
| dm8tbr | DawnFoster: extremely appreciated, thank you | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | Mek, having fun building kde in the OBS? | 21:31 |
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| CosmoHill | mek is building KDE on the OBS? | 21:50 |
| CosmoHill | brave man (or woman) | 21:51 |
| Mek | which obs? and not at the moment.. too busy with payed work... | 21:51 |
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| CosmoHill | my paid work concists of sitting down with a client and explaing what I am doing as I fix their computer / setup something | 21:51 |
| DawnFoster | dm8tbr: ryan responded - looks like some confusion in how to mark things as security bugs | 21:51 |
| DawnFoster | he's trying to get that corrected to make it clear | 21:52 |
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| Mek | oh, and having emigrated to the US last week also took some time ;) | 21:54 |
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| lcuk2 | mek, awesome | 21:54 |
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| crazedpsyc | anybody know about the status of this? http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird#Samsung_Galaxy_Tab | 21:59 |
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| dm8tbr | DawnFoster: well there is a bit of fallout to clean up etc. MeeGo will want to do that before this hits bugtraq or one of the other mailing lists. I'll contact ryan to discuss my views. | 22:03 |
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| vgrade | annma, http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/Wireless_on_Plasma_Active_MeeGo_ | 22:06 |
| annma | vgrade: yes | 22:06 |
| annma | I am following this but I get a segfault | 22:07 |
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| annma | I connected with test-connman, thanks to evetyone | 22:31 |
| annma | everyone even | 22:31 |
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| gnutoo | ali1234: hi | 22:58 |
| gnutoo | uboot fails to compile with recents gcc....I don't know what to do.... | 23:00 |
| gnutoo | we have gcc 4.6 | 23:00 |
| gnutoo | I tried making it pass -O0 and I succedded(I saw that in the compile logs) but it still failed to boot | 23:01 |
| gnutoo | basically with a recent gcc it loads etc... | 23:01 |
| gnutoo | but it's stuck at Starting kenrel... | 23:01 |
| gnutoo | I've tried to md the __log_buf but it hanged u-boot | 23:02 |
| gnutoo | I wonder if it's not easier to port your changes on top of mainline's master | 23:02 |
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| gnutoo | but then they changed lots of stuff, for instance relocatible stuff | 23:02 |
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| gnutoo | and kexecboot is not good either.... | 23:04 |
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| gnutoo | basically it seem to work and even boots SHR successfully | 23:04 |
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| gnutoo | and everything seem fine | 23:04 |
| gnutoo | however it has buttons issues on meego | 23:04 |
| gnutoo | *maemo | 23:04 |
| gnutoo | the camera buttons press have issues beeing recognized | 23:05 |
| gnutoo | is there somebody that could help me? | 23:05 |
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| gnutoo | nobody is there...sigh | 23:10 |
| onen|openBmap | gnutoo: hi | 23:11 |
| gnutoo | hi | 23:11 |
| onen|openBmap | gnutoo: not your evening tonight | 23:11 |
| gnutoo | ? | 23:11 |
| onen|openBmap | gnutoo: lack of success in many irc rooms ;-) | 23:11 |
| gnutoo | no, #openmoko-cdevel room is the exact same issue | 23:11 |
| gnutoo | in #replicant I had success | 23:12 |
| gnutoo | I didn't flash the replicant images yet tough | 23:12 |
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