| auke | arfoll: hey | 00:02 |
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| CosmoHill | .o/ | 00:02 |
| auke | arfoll: I tried xbmc on trunk yesterday | 00:02 |
| auke | arfoll: did you ever work out how to run it on pinetrail? | 00:02 |
| auke | I still get pink screens, but madeo-player pops up as well correctly for some media, but not in front | 00:03 |
| arfoll | yeah thats still the status | 00:03 |
| auke | ah | 00:03 |
| auke | ok | 00:03 |
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| arfoll | auke, the other problem is that in trunk i will most probably move to gles soon | 00:06 |
| auke | it was cool to see that it could already browse my mythtv recording backend | 00:06 |
| auke | and my xbmc server as well | 00:06 |
| auke | ok | 00:06 |
| auke | that's fine.... I don't think that will really matter much anyway | 00:07 |
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| arfoll | well it means it stops running on pientrail ;-) | 00:07 |
| auke | eh? | 00:07 |
| arfoll | well gles on pientrail is emulated no? from what i understood the gfx doesn't support it natively | 00:07 |
| auke | does it matter much? I'm running it on beefy i965 hardware | 00:08 |
| auke | core2 processor | 00:08 |
| arfoll | i forget you're cheating | 00:08 |
| auke | it would suck if pinetrail performance bombs though | 00:08 |
| arfoll | well on pinetrail it doesn't open, it just hangs forever | 00:09 |
| arfoll | least last time i checked (i'm cheating too since it was diamondville not pinetrail) | 00:09 |
| auke | I ran trunk's xbmc on a real pinetrail yesterday | 00:09 |
| auke | and it runs fine | 00:09 |
| arfoll | with gles? | 00:09 |
| auke | don't know | 00:09 |
| auke | whatever is in trunk | 00:10 |
| arfoll | thats gl | 00:10 |
| auke | probably | 00:10 |
| arfoll | thats why builds on arm fail :-( | 00:10 |
| arfoll | and since perf on gles on sodaville made absolutely no difference (despite what some claimed) | 00:10 |
| arfoll | but if you're interested in builds with working video try home:arfoll:xbmc and home:arfoll:xbmc-testing (the xbmc-gles build should show you the problems on pinetrail) | 00:11 |
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| auke | thx | 00:13 |
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| arfoll | the xbmc-testing stuff is from -git so it can behave funny, but the other buils are nrmal dharma | 00:14 |
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| jiero | User bug reporting: Anyone ready to hear? | 04:19 |
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| jiero | lol | 04:21 |
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| jiero | Anyway: Flash Player is a trap, it lead user enter FullScreen but cannot get out. | 04:23 |
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| jiero | when a fullscreen flash running, not even shortcut ctrl+w will respond | 04:24 |
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| Chani | er... maybe I'm missing something, but... how does one install apps in meego? I can't even find a package manager | 04:34 |
| berndhs | Chani: zypper | 04:35 |
| Chani | oh. okay. | 04:35 |
| Chani | and what about locking hte screen? | 04:36 |
| Chani | or putting it to sleep? | 04:36 |
| Chani | something I can do to make it safe to put in my backpack | 04:36 |
| berndhs | poweroff is really fast :) | 04:37 |
| Chani | berndhs: it takes like 5 minutes to boot, though. :/ | 04:37 |
| berndhs | no it doesnt | 04:37 |
| Chani | it does here | 04:37 |
| berndhs | boot is fast too, unless you have some strange device | 04:37 |
| Chani | on the exopc, with meego... 1.2, iirc | 04:37 |
| berndhs | ah, i dont have one of those, I wouldn't know | 04:38 |
| Chani | a lot of other people do now, so hopefully it'll be resolved if it's not just me :) | 04:39 |
| Chani | but... really, who wants to quit all their apps just to get off the bus? | 04:39 |
| berndhs | if MeeGo/Intel has noticed my request in the developer device program, I might be able to tell you :) | 04:39 |
| Chani | hehe | 04:40 |
| * Chani finds it very, very strange to be unable to lock the screen | 04:40 | |
| berndhs | but I wasn't worth any answer, so I can't help in this case | 04:40 |
| Chani | aww | 04:40 |
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| jiero | Meego stuck. | 04:41 |
| jiero | sorry, did I miss something? | 04:41 |
| Chani | honestly I would expect a hardware lock button on a tablet... very strange that there isn't one | 04:41 |
| jiero | Software lock is easy to made though. | 04:41 |
| jiero | Anybody respond to the Flash Player issue? | 04:41 |
| Chani | for now it's just going to stay on my desk, to be used for irc while the weather's too hot for my poor old laptop :) | 04:42 |
| Chani | jiero: you... haven't worked with X before. :) | 04:42 |
| Chani | it does *have* a screensaver though. hmmm. | 04:43 |
| jiero | Chani: ? you mean you don't have X? wow, I never used Linux without it. | 04:43 |
| Chani | jiero: I mean locking an X screen isn't something I'd call easy. | 04:44 |
| Chani | but since they've already got the hard part done... it just needs a nontrivial way to unlock it, and a button to invoke the screensaver | 04:44 |
| berndhs | ssh into the think and kill the flash process :) | 04:44 |
| Chani | jiero: since you mention it, though, I did use linux for a few years without X. framebuffer + links = web browsing with images :) | 04:45 |
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| jiero | Chani: I　used a N900 battery patch seems have related config | 04:46 |
| Chani | but that was before ajax | 04:46 |
| jiero | berndhs: you don't expect general meego user to do that.. | 04:46 |
| Chani | eh? | 04:46 |
| berndhs | jiero: oh I expect general meego users to be highly proficient :) | 04:46 |
| jiero | Chani: at least I knew few about linux | 04:46 |
| jiero | berndhs: no, thats not true... | 04:47 |
| berndhs | it's not like ssh is difficult | 04:47 |
| Chani | parse error... | 04:47 |
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| jiero | berndhs: its still a burden | 04:48 |
| berndhs | tiny one | 04:48 |
| berndhs | people should learn a little | 04:48 |
| jiero | if you have time, review my design of WM please, http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=168&t=342349 | 04:48 |
| jiero | I cannot get it done myself | 04:49 |
| jiero | berndhs: sure, but meego would be for those use windows daily and expect all in GUI:D | 04:50 |
| berndhs | my chinese is non-existant, so I can't make out 75% of that thread :) | 04:50 |
| jiero | berndhs: I wrote more English than Chinese,mate. | 04:51 |
| berndhs | yes you did, but the rest of the people didnt | 04:51 |
| jiero | ok, its poorly organized English | 04:51 |
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| berndhs | so this is simpler than the panels and stuff they have in the tablet UX | 04:52 |
| jiero | berndhs: I hope so | 04:53 |
| berndhs | i'm working on soemthing for people who use mobile devices when they are moving | 04:53 |
| berndhs | the present mobile UXs are all for using mobile devices on your couch | 04:54 |
| jiero | berndhs: then nokia n9 | 04:54 |
| berndhs | so if you're doing some activity, those UXs dont really work | 04:54 |
| jiero | berndhs: rather then ui, it usehardware assist | 04:55 |
| berndhs | swipe also doesn't really work when your ride is bumpy | 04:55 |
| berndhs | and you have to use jsut 1 hand | 04:55 |
| berndhs | I tried it :) | 04:56 |
| jiero | berndhs: gesture also have its limitation. | 04:56 |
| berndhs | yes it does | 04:56 |
| jiero | berndhs: better voice control:D | 04:56 |
| berndhs | i don't knwo, its likely to be noisy in those situations too | 04:56 |
| jiero | berndhs: or you must really smart to get those done in a precise way while moving | 04:57 |
| berndhs | think of the passenger in a boat, or on a snowmobile | 04:57 |
| berndhs | someone on a roller coaster | 04:57 |
| berndhs | farmer on a tractor | 04:57 |
| jiero | berndhs: let the device stick with you body movement would be smart | 04:58 |
| berndhs | yes that would help | 04:58 |
| berndhs | or think of a very uncoordinated person | 04:58 |
| berndhs | clumsy | 04:58 |
| berndhs | or with some physical handicap | 04:58 |
| jiero | berndhs: wow, what are you? are you an Engineer? | 04:59 |
| berndhs | in cases where the device is supposed to help them with their activity, not entertain and distract | 04:59 |
| berndhs | i'm an engineer yes :) | 04:59 |
| berndhs | i'm just saying the UXs are not designed for this type of thing | 05:00 |
| jiero | yes. | 05:00 |
| berndhs | so they dont work very well for that, its not surprising | 05:00 |
| jiero | berndhs: the UI design is about rich features and fast switching | 05:00 |
| berndhs | well, not always fast switching | 05:01 |
| berndhs | lots of stuff is slowed down deliberately in todays' UXs | 05:01 |
| berndhs | oh sorry,you mean your UI | 05:01 |
| jiero | berndhs: nope | 05:01 |
| jiero | berndhs: I didn't mean mine | 05:01 |
| berndhs | well, all the latest stuff, like Gnome3, MeeGo tablet, N9 swipe, they all slow things down on purpose | 05:02 |
| berndhs | it does make sense in some cases | 05:02 |
| berndhs | animations and things | 05:03 |
| berndhs | things look faster if you see it changing | 05:04 |
| jiero | berndhs: unfortunately I used very few device and UIs..N900+GNOME2+e16+GNOME3 are the only UI i coming with recent years, I havn't try android and iphone,windows7 etc.. I just tried GNOME3 yesterday,and now my laptop down...I thought I shall make my UI as GNOME_shell extension,now I just don't do anything,:D | 05:04 |
| berndhs | there is a science to these delays, don't know if the UX designers use that | 05:05 |
| jiero | berndhs: ok, I understood, I used a N900 theme it have animation of 9 seconds | 05:05 |
| jiero | berndhs: they do, it let user feel less bored | 05:06 |
| berndhs | things taht happen within less than 1 second are perceived to be at the same time | 05:06 |
| berndhs | and more than 2 seconds is "slow" | 05:06 |
| berndhs | and then yes, these target users are not doing anything, so its ok to take up their time | 05:07 |
| jiero | berndhs: becasue the application is not ready in 1 second due to hardware performance, but it will in 2. | 05:07 |
| berndhs | sure | 05:08 |
| berndhs | i just think it would be cool to address a different type of usage | 05:08 |
| berndhs | could open a whole new market too | 05:08 |
| berndhs | so far we have computing for work, and for idle time | 05:09 |
| jiero | berndhs: you also cannot expect user to use the waiting time spent on other job- they are waiting... | 05:09 |
| berndhs | not for play time for active people | 05:09 |
| berndhs | sure most users do things that only make them wait 2 or 3 secs | 05:11 |
| berndhs | not practical to do something else then | 05:11 |
| jiero | berndhs: I know few facts and have not studied UI and user behaviour before: hope my idea could help though. | 05:11 |
| berndhs | i was thinking about how it would fit with what i'm thinking of | 05:12 |
| jiero | I would say: rest your eyes, close them for a while then cake will be ready:D just a joke | 05:13 |
| berndhs | :) | 05:13 |
| jiero | berndhs: prepare latest news flyer for task need time to process. | 05:15 |
| jiero | berndhs: although it will be distracting, user may want something remind them what to do,better use a line text rather than wait screen - IMO | 05:16 |
| berndhs | yes i thinjk most people do several tasks, maybe 1 or 2 that need immediate attention, and a bunch mroe long term | 05:18 |
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| jiero | berndhs: use a blank screen with suitable color to inform current job/next job/ timeline etc.__ My UI design shall have this as well, I will note it. | 05:20 |
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| berndhs | maybe some indication if everything is on schedule, or something is late | 05:22 |
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| jiero | berndhs: its an option let user decide :) | 05:23 |
| berndhs | sure | 05:23 |
| jiero | berndhs: are you a meego developer? | 05:24 |
| berndhs | i dont work for any of the companies, no | 05:25 |
| berndhs | i just make stuff on my own | 05:25 |
| jiero | berndhs: I thought meego developer not necessaryly to be employed as it is a Project of Linux Foundation? | 05:27 |
| berndhs | well, there are developers who don't work for any of them | 05:28 |
| berndhs | but there are also the "official" people that work for Intel and other involved companies | 05:29 |
| berndhs | i'm not one of those | 05:29 |
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| jiero | berndhs: :) free people have free power. | 05:31 |
| berndhs | yeah i'll be famous with my novel UI :) | 05:31 |
| jiero | berndhs: I want to be famous as well, the first WM/DE designed by Chinese:) | 05:33 |
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| berndhs | there aren't any so far ? that's surprising | 05:34 |
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| jiero | berndhs: why should people repeat making WM? They shall make more configurations,Chinese share a lot of defined configurations. | 05:36 |
| berndhs | there are dozens of different WMs, people repeat that all the time | 05:37 |
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| jiero | its hard to install wm, its easier to switch config/theme | 05:40 |
| berndhs | true | 05:40 |
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| mcfrisk_ | hello, is there a file similar to /etc/debian_release to tell which release this image originally was? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | meego-release | 10:39 |
| mcfrisk_ | :) | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | (surprisingly logical..) | 10:40 |
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| Guest97207 | no one talk here. | 11:41 |
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| Tumi_ | true that. who died? | 12:06 |
| iekku | what? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's weekend | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | people are out having meego-related drinking binges ;) | 12:07 |
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| iekku | :D | 12:21 |
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| lcukn900 | stskeeps i have outline for steering and will mail after the weekend. | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:12 |
| lcukn900 | stskeeps and the todo/tasks list works nicely :) | 13:13 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.little-gamers.com/ | 15:20 |
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| wook | hi guys, what's wrong with nokia servers today? | 18:51 |
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| lbt | wook: dunno .... vpn is a pita | 18:52 |
| wook | Pita? | 18:53 |
| lbt | pain in the arse | 18:53 |
| wook | Aaaa | 18:53 |
| wook | As always but, last few days it is worse and worse :S | 18:53 |
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| wook | Maybe they finally decided to quit being stupid? :D | 18:54 |
| wook | anyhow, how's meego running on n900? :D | 18:56 |
| lbt | They're doing well | 18:56 |
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| wook | You mean nokia doing well??? | 18:57 |
| lbt | :) | 18:57 |
| lbt | CE project | 18:57 |
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| lbt | in #meego-arm | 18:57 |
| wook | Aaa :D | 18:57 |
| * lbt looks at shareprice and wonders how anyone can mistake that for "doing well" | 18:58 | |
| lbt | :D | 18:58 |
| wook | Don't mind me, i am alien here ;) :D | 18:58 |
| lbt | np ... what's your interest? | 19:01 |
| wook | Symbian....mostly :S lol | 19:01 |
| wook | But, its dead somehow :D for ages :D | 19:02 |
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| lbt | <innocent> and you don't see WP as a shining open future? </innocent> | 19:08 |
| berndhs | lbt: there's all this vegetation in front of my window, I can't see very far | 19:09 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: lbt: harmattan target stuck in C-OBS, it's giving out "broken repository seutp" | 19:15 |
| javispedro | ah well. saturday. | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | lbt, still got your joggler? | 20:08 |
| lbt | all 3 | 20:08 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:08 |
| lcuk | do you know what voltage the power supply is | 20:09 |
| lbt | will look | 20:09 |
| lcuk | thanks, i was thinking of trying to get the 1.3 n900-ce image booted on it and putting liqbase on there | 20:09 |
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| lbt | 5V 4A | 20:09 |
| lcuk | thanks | 20:09 |
| lbt | np | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, so you would rather in the steering document I write: "Mer" :P | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | CE is a different topic | 21:47 |
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| Stskeeps | .. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | really. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | ? | 21:53 |
| * Stskeeps sighs idly and really thought we would have moved beyond censoring mailing list archives | 21:53 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you keep posting the corning advert | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's a good video | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:53 |
| lcuk | the new lenovo tablet has corning gorillaglass | 21:53 |
| lcuk | shame it is running android atm | 21:53 |
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| ali1234 | what happened now? | 22:01 |
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| ajay | just wondering if anyone knows if there are folks working on portin to the touchpad? | 22:31 |
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| nschle85 | hello, is there somebody who compiled u-boot and succesfully started maemo ? | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | nschle85: so what exactly did you do in detail? | 23:49 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: i installed the maemo sdk | 23:49 |
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| ali1234 | did you use the installation package? | 23:49 |
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| ali1234 | u-boot is available from extras-devel | 23:50 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: of what sdk or u-boot ? | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | u-boot | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | if you want to compile it yourself, i did not use maemo sdk | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | i compiled it with a code sourcery toolchain | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | because it is about 10000x easier to install and use | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | but you have to use an old version | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | that is probably why maemo sdk didn't work either | 23:51 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: which version do i have to use ? | 23:51 |
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| ali1234 | i think 2009.1 | 23:51 |
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| nschle85 | do you have a little howto ? how you installed you toolchain ? | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | yes, actually i do | 23:52 |
| nschle85 | ali i followed this: http://elektranox.org/n900/kernel/uboot.html | 23:53 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: but toolchain setup is not described here | 23:53 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: 2009.1 is version of what ? uboot ? | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/linwizard/wiki/CodeSourceryHOWTO | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | download link: http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/subscription3057 | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | any of the 2008 or 2009 version should work | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | 2010 or newer probably won't work | 23:56 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: how did you know that it does not work, compile problems or u-boot does not start ... ? | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | i think u-boot does not start | 23:57 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: congrats :) | 23:57 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: with maemo sdk u-boot does start and tries to start the combined kernel, but after some seconds the phone switches of... thats the problem i have | 23:58 |
| nschle85 | ali1234: the git version and proposed patches for u-boot proposed here are ok ? http://elektranox.org/n900/kernel/uboot.html | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, that is not my site | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | why do you want to build from source anyway? | 23:59 |
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