IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2011-08-28

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nschle85ali1234: i miss the ext2 patch00:01
nschle85ali1234: and the created image in openembedded / SHR does also not work, so it would be a good start to analyze the problem with an working version00:02
ali1234well, ok, with u-boot you'll know if it is working. you can interact with it using the n900 keyboard even00:03
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nschle85ali1234: yes but run loloboot alwys fails00:03
nschle85ali1234: noloboot00:03
ali1234noloboot00:03
ali1234oh, it is not toolchain problems then i think00:04
nschle85ali1234: but what can it be ?00:05
ali1234combined.bin is made incorrectly or something00:05
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nschle85ali1234: but i use builder.py and do it as described in the wiki00:07
ali1234well that isn't 100% foolproof...00:07
ali1234does the extras-devel version work for you?00:07
nschle85ali1234: do you know how the maemo u-boot was build ?00:07
ali1234maemo doesn't use u-boot00:07
ali1234it uses nolo00:07
ali1234or do you mean the extras-devel package?00:08
nschle85ali1234: you can install it from repository00:08
nschle85ali1234: yes that i mean00:08
ali1234i dunno, stskeeps made it :)00:08
ali1234i think he just copied u-boot.bin from my website00:08
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nschle85ali1234: so ill ask him00:09
nschle85Stskeeps: hello, did you create the u-boot package for maemo ?00:09
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ali1234so does that version work for you or not?00:10
nschle85ali1234: did not check00:11
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nschle85ali1234: but i should create a combined image using your u-boot.bin and the maemo kernel and compare it with the package version00:12
ali1234it only does a simply append operation anyway00:12
nschle85ali1234: so i can check my combining procedure00:12
ali1234i suppose00:12
ali1234oh00:13
ali1234you areusing a uImage right?00:13
ali1234where did you get maemokernel from to build combined.bin?00:14
nschle85ali1234: extracted from deb package00:14
ali1234and you did mkimage?00:14
nschle85ali1234: yes00:15
nschle85ali1234: i did this:00:15
nschle85ar p kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb data.tar.gz | tar xzO ./boot/zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco > zImage.fiasco00:15
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nschle85ali1234: flasher-3.5 -F zImage.fiasco -u00:15
nschle85ali1234: mkimage  -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n maemo -d zImage uImage00:16
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nschle85ali1234: then i started builder.py00:16
ali1234what kernel is that?00:17
ali1234i thought maemo used 2.6.3500:17
nschle85ali1234: no, maemo uses 2.6.2800:17
nschle85ali1234: meego uses 2.6.3500:18
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ali1234oh yeah00:19
ali1234well you should try the extras-devel package00:19
ali1234or try building combined bin from u-boot.bin on my site00:19
nschle85ali1234: ok how can i contact you , on which channels are you regulary online ?00:20
ali1234this one00:20
Stskeeps00:21
nschle85Stskeeps: ping00:21
Stskeepsabout to sleep, catch me tomorrow00:22
ali1234nschle85: you can look in the deb src package to see how it is built btw00:23
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ali1234if it just has a u-boot.bin then it is pulled from my site :)00:23
nschle85ali1234: it has a u-boot bin00:23
nschle85ali1234: and a combined.bin00:24
nschle85ali1234: so its not a real source package00:24
ali1234yeah00:24
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ali1234someone made a source package from it actually00:24
ali1234but i forgot who it was00:24
ali1234let me grep logs...00:24
ali1234really though, try using my .bin00:25
ali1234if it works, then we know it is a toolchain problem00:25
ali1234if it doesn't work then it is something else00:25
nschle85ali1234: ill try, ill wait until your grep is finished :-)00:26
ali1234can you not make a /boot partition and format it as fat?00:29
ali1234that's what meego does00:29
nschle85ali1234: yes i could, do you know openembedded ?00:29
ali1234not really no00:30
ali1234just tell it to produce rootfs as tar.gz and make partitions manually00:30
ali1234the /boot must be third partition and it must contain kernels and a boot.scr00:31
nschle85ali1234: its a distribution, using bitbake , collecting sources and compiles them the resulting u-boot does not work as expected, so my intetntion is to find the problem00:31
nschle85ali1234: yes, your u-boot seems to work but nobody can reproduce how the maemo-uboot was created00:33
ali1234well as i said, i did build it using code sourcery toolchain00:33
ali1234so you should try that first of all00:33
ali1234note that u-boot has its own cross-compile system00:33
ali1234like the kernel00:33
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ali1234so you do not need to mess around with bitbake, obs, and other cross compiler nonsenses00:34
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ali1234and of course being a bootloader it has absolutely no dependencies whatsoever00:35
nschle85ali1234: but you used sourcery00:36
ali1234yeah it is just a build of gcc00:36
ali1234code sourcery is the company that maintains arm gcc00:36
ali1234or at least they did most of the work on it00:37
nschle85ali1234: ok, i thank you, i am happy to found someone who compiled a working version :-)00:38
ali1234i wrote the patches... so yeah00:39
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nschle85ali1234: where did you know how to do that ?00:39
nschle85ali1234: a booting device is hard to debug i think00:39
ali1234there is a n900 emulator00:40
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ali1234that helped a lot00:40
ali1234once i had figured out how to write to the screen, i could use that for debugging on real device00:40
ali1234and note that i didn't have to configure all hardware, because nolo does that00:40
ali1234i also used the n900 kernel source, and the datasheet for omap3430 and twl403000:41
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nschle85ali1234: but iam very impressived from your work00:41
CosmoHill\o.00:41
ali1234thanks :)00:41
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ali1234also, u-boot already had omap3430 support from beagleboard00:44
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nschle85ali1234: you gave me some ideas, so now ill compare some binaries now :-)00:49
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nschle85ali1234: ping01:45
ali1234?01:45
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nschle85ali1234: I flashed: u-boot from maemo-package, using my converted  kernel image , result: n900 boots maemo kernel01:47
nschle85ali1234: so the problem is somwhere in u-boot01:48
ali1234ok. try building with code sourcery 2008.301:48
nschle85ali1234: ok,01:48
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nschle85ali1234: release or update version ?01:50
ali1234release?01:50
ali1234or update01:50
ali1234http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package3695/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2008q3-72-arm-none-linux-gnueabi.src.tar.bz201:50
ali1234basically just untar that in opt ^01:51
nschle85ali1234: ok thats the update01:51
nschle85ali1234: needs 4 minutes to download01:53
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nschle85ok, untared to opt01:59
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nschle85ali1234: but there are also a lot of archives ... what do i have to do now (without RTFM)02:01
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ali1234sorry i told you to download the wrong thing02:02
ali1234that is the source02:02
ali1234you need this one: http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package3696/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2008q3-72-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz202:02
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nschle85ali1234: k no problem.. ill download02:06
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nschle85ali1234: i downloaded it already :-)02:07
nschle85ali1234: sorry did not download, ...02:09
* CosmoHill sees a job but also see buzzwords :/02:11
CosmoHillWeb Developer- LAMP, jQuery02:11
CosmoHill"developing awesome web apps"02:12
berndhsHR uses resumes to keep out the riff-raff, not to find good people02:12
nschle85ali1234: ok download finished02:12
ali1234LAMP isn't exactly going to keep out the riff-raff02:12
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ali1234it's basically the lowest common denominator02:12
CosmoHillI'd argue that LAMP would attract them02:13
ali1234yeah02:13
berndhssure, but HR doesn't know diddly about the job requirements02:13
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ali1234nschle85: unpack at and add the bin/ to your path02:13
berndhsso resumes are just a defensive tool02:13
CosmoHillthis is the problem with using a job site full of recruiters02:14
ali1234nschle85: export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi-02:14
ali1234nschle85: then build u-boot02:14
nschle85ali1234: unpack as root in opt ?02:14
ali1234nschle85: it doesn't actually matter where you put it02:14
ali1234nschle85: put in opt for system wide install02:14
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nschle85ali1234: ok, ill do it pleasy wait some minutes02:16
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CosmoHill"Web Developer - Uber Cool & Flexible Employer!"02:17
* CosmoHill rises an eye brow02:17
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nschle85ali1234: ok, uboot compiled, now ill create the image02:27
nschle85ali1234: u-boot compiled, now ill create the image02:27
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nschle85ali1234: shit.. this version does nor work02:35
nschle85not02:35
madsaraHola.02:36
madsaraAnyone here got meego ivi working with a lilliput touchscreen (evtouch driver)?02:36
nschle85ali1234: any other idea ?02:36
ali1234try compiling it without ext2 patch02:37
nschle85ali1234: ok02:37
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nschle85ali1234: excluding ext2 patch did not help02:52
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nschle85ali1234: maemo does not boot02:53
ali1234don't know then02:55
nschle85ali1234: are you sure which toolchain you used ?02:58
ali1234no02:58
ali1234it might have been 2009.102:58
nschle85ali1234: so ill check against 2009.103:01
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nschle85ali1234: shit, does also not work03:20
ali1234i didn't really think it would03:20
nschle85ali1234: why03:20
nschle85?03:20
ali1234because 2008.3 is fine03:21
ali1234i used it for other things plenty03:21
nschle85ali1234: true ?03:21
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nschle85ali1234: here we have 02:21 AM, so ill try it ....03:22
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knocteShadowJK: does it have a rating system for the music?03:24
ShadowJKi don't even know what that is03:24
knoctei.e. this song is 5 stars03:25
knocteor 4...03:25
nschle85ali1234: but i see 2008.3 we checked already03:27
nschle85ali1234: and 2008.3 did not work03:28
ali1234exactly03:28
nschle85ali1234: can you compile a u-boot and give it to me please ?03:29
knocteShadowJK: u know?03:29
nschle85ali1234: including all the source codes ?03:29
ali1234sure. just take the one from my homepage03:29
nschle85ali1234: the one sould work, but i want to know that you are currently able to build working u-boots03:30
ali1234i'm not03:30
ali1234i don't have that stuff any more03:31
nschle85ali1234: so you explain me that you are the only one who compiled u-boot for n900, and nobody else can do ?03:32
ali1234no, plenty of other people managed to compile it03:32
ali1234i don't know how they did it though03:32
ali1234i can only tell you how i did it03:32
nschle85ali1234: ok, the way you did it does not work for me. ;.(03:33
nschle85ali1234: thank you for the support, ill try some other toolchains tomorrow03:34
nschle85ali1234: thank you, ill go to bed03:34
ali1234i will try to make a new build some time03:35
ali1234but i am kind of busy at the moment with other stuff03:35
nschle85ali1234: this will be very good. I hope the result will be rpruducable03:36
nschle85ali1234: good night... i am very tired now...03:36
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nschle85ali1234: bye03:37
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tmzt_ali1234: figured out the initrd thing03:38
tmzt_the inner parts of the multi have to be uImage's03:38
tmzt_and on ours, uncompressed03:38
tmzt_now it works03:38
ali1234did you say it was for hp touchpad?03:39
tmzt_yep03:39
ali1234cool, you actually managed to buy one?03:39
tmzt_we have kernel+initrd on the touchpad booting03:39
tmzt_nope, using somebody's over ssh03:39
ali1234in the UK, they sold out in about 2 seconds03:39
tmzt_just tell people they aren't making any more and price them at 150 dollars03:39
tmzt_and they sell out03:39
tmzt_sit on the shelves at 500+03:40
tmzt_tell this to Nokia, they can get some n9-000's out there03:40
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ali1234you got a project page? a lot of people are asking about it03:42
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nasa01madsara, you still around?03:45
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Alison_Chaikennasa01, can you post your working KS for 1.2.80?03:52
Alison_ChaikenPlease?03:52
Alison_ChaikenI take it you didn't hit the festival-voice bug?03:53
nasa01No...  Not right now.  However, it's not working right this moment (I'm using New York as my time zone and that seems to be causing me some issue, wonder why...)03:54
nasa01Also you may have to edit a couple of things I have unique for my setup...03:55
Alison_Chaikenarfoll, I downloaded the vmlinuz-3.0.0-adaptation-pc kernel from your brendan:/branches:/devel:/kernel:/1.2/MeeGo_1.2 repo, but was surprised to see that it doesn't have CONFIG_I2C_I801 set for HDMI out.    Did you just set CONFIG_I2C_I801 for earlier kernels?03:55
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Alison_ChaikenSure, nasa01, I expect to edit and have many KS files already (!), but just wanted to save useless duplication if possible.    So festival-voice problem is cleared now thx to Sage?03:56
nasa01The last image I created, festival was disabled.  I believe it's been reenabled now, and it's not causing a fault in the build right now.  But due to the timezone problem, I haven't tested that yet03:58
nasa01http://pastebin.com/qE3twXU503:59
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Alison_ChaikenI tried disabling festival myself, but then had broken dependency problems elsewhere, and ended up removing all of IVI one package at a time.04:00
Alison_ChaikenThx for link, I'll check 'er out.  Happily I'm in LA timezone!04:00
nasa01Some notes: I have e17 starting up as my WM, so there are a number of packages coming from my repo on OBS (pub).04:01
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nasa01Along with a recompiled pulseaudio (so I can get the lirc module) and the latest kernel (from the devel repo, for keyboard drivers)04:02
nasa01And pay attention to this line - "ln -sf enlightenment.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop" replace enlightenment with whatever WM your starting04:04
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Alison_ChaikenThanks nasa01, I know my way around KS files, just have had problems finding a consistent working set of packages for IVI.    The rest I can figure out.04:15
Alison_ChaikenBut a friend from college who lives on the other coast just called and says he's a few miles away and wants to meet for beers . . .04:16
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nasa01Sounds like your friend is doing ok, then.04:18
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Alison_ChaikenSee you later then and thanks for your help.04:21
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iluminator101who is been running meego on their hp touchpad?05:10
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ali1234iluminator101: nobody yet, they only just got a custom kernel running afaik05:56
iluminator101nice can you link me to that kernel05:57
ali1234no, it's not even released yet05:57
ali1234it's literally happening as we speak05:57
ali1234be patient :)05:57
iluminator101who is doing it this?05:58
ali1234i don't know exactly05:59
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iluminator101meego user or the organization or both05:59
javispedroali1234: where did you read/see it?05:59
ali1234javispedro: on this channel about 2.5 hours ago06:00
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ali1234and i don't know if they plan to port meego or some other OS06:00
ali1234i don't know anything06:00
ali1234iluminator101: it's somebody's pet project afaik, not sponsored by anyone06:00
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iluminator101niice that would be super06:01
ali1234i expect a lot of hackers bought them06:01
flailingmonkey_ali1234: what's this about?06:02
ali1234oh geez06:02
javispedroali1234: well, not many from here; many android guys though.06:02
flailingmonkey_:p sorry, i can check the log but what am I looking for06:02
ali1234you didn't miss anything but what i said :)06:02
flailingmonkey_i'm guessing this is about hp touchpads06:03
ali1234yes. people are working on porting other OS to the hp touchpad06:03
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ali1234and that's all i know06:03
flailingmonkey_makes sense06:03
ali1234meego will probably be easier to port than android, given webos uses X11 and android doesn't so less driver troubles hopefully06:04
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javispedronah, I was waiting to get one myself because they seemingly used an Android kernel on this one06:05
javispedroand I wanted to see the damage06:05
javispedro(and an android-like gfx layout)06:05
ali1234hum... i doubt it06:05
ali1234webos uses X11 from everything i have heard about it06:05
javispedronah06:05
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ali1234ok, i guess i was misinformed then06:06
javispedrothe gfx stack was very meego-omap-sgx like, so X11 could run as is most probably06:08
javispedrobut they do not use it, they use the qt embedded windowing system06:08
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javispedroand as said the touchpad now uses some android kernel, so I bet the userspace GL libs at least are also android (but I haven't seen that yet)06:10
javispedromakes me think they probably were forced by qualcomm to use an android kernel, because the costs for a "proper" nonandroid one would be... high.06:11
dan_what is an "android kernel?" i thought the touchpad uses the linux kernel06:11
sofarthe android kernel is linux kernel + driver patches and stuff06:12
* javispedro would call it google's fork of the kernel, but that is flamish..06:15
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flailingmonkeyit's mutated linux kernel06:19
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npmadded screenshots and links to examples for http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/09:30
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IanWizardAnybody know where I can buy an N9 online?10:52
meegofreakyes at amazon10:53
IanWizardOr rather, I'd like to buy a MeeGo phone, not a primary, just a temp / play around with / I've got money and need something to do with it.  What would you suggest that I get?10:53
IanWizardI believe that it's only, N9, N900, and the Aava10:53
IanWizardAnd I'm leaning away from the Aava.10:53
meegofreakhttp://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8EG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314518009&sr=8-110:53
meegofreakwhere is the link to ava ?10:54
IanWizardOh yeah, and I'm US :(10:54
IanWizardSo I'll need international shipping.10:55
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IanWizardmeegofreak, between the N9, and the N900, which would you recommend.10:57
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dm8tbrthe n9 is really nice10:59
IanWizardYeah, I'm thinking that, but no ports and such.10:59
meegofreaki would recommend the n90011:00
meegofreakbecause n9 has no keyboard and it is meego harmattan and not meego meego11:00
Stskeepsn9 can probably run meego meego too though11:00
meegofreaki just bid on n 900 on ebay for 200 Euro11:00
meegofreakyes when meego Community Edition is out and you can install it without keyboard11:01
IanWizardI think I'd be inclined to do N9, because once 1.3 hits, I'll port it over to my phone anyways.11:01
meegofreakthat is why nokia needs to release a meego-meego phone with keyboard11:01
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meegofreak3x more expensive11:02
Stskeepsyeah, not going to happen :P11:02
IanWizardSo how is the status of MeeGo, with Nokia pretty much out.11:03
IanWizardI don't feel like Intel will keep it alive.11:03
IanWizardAnd it's the best OS on the market right now.11:03
ali1234out of what alternatives?11:04
IanWizardali1234, all.11:04
ali1234so you think meego is better than OS X, ubuntu, debian, red hat...11:05
ali1234have you actually used it?11:05
IanWizardali1234, ok, sorry, MOBILE OS11:05
IanWizardno, on anything other than a phone, MeeGo sucks..  pales in comparison11:05
ali1234well ok, i won't get into that one11:06
ali1234i haven't used the n950 so i don't know how it compares to the others11:06
IanWizardali1234, Android sucks, and there's not really another wide spread OS, certainly nothing portable.11:07
IanWizardWebOS just got axed, and iOS... well...11:07
thiagothere are others, maybe less known11:08
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IanWizardthiago, what, OM, yeah right.11:09
IanWizardI LOVED    OpenMoko, but it died, and MeeGo fills it's shoes quite nicely, and it has Intel behind it.11:10
thiagothere are more in the market11:10
thiagoI'm not saying they are attractive alternatives, but they exist11:10
ali1234what you actually seem to be saying is "meego is the best open source smartphone OS that uses X11 and gnu coreutils"11:11
ali1234well it's not hard to win that one, given that there aren't any others11:11
thiagoyou can have other criteria too11:12
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thiagoa mobile OS that is using standard tools, is open source, etc.11:12
ali1234that still only puts android into the picture11:13
thiago"a mobile OS" is the restrictive11:14
thiago"standard tools", "open source", "open development", etc. are criteria of evaluation11:14
thiagoif I want to say which one is best, I need the definition of good to compare11:14
thiagothose are my criteria11:14
ali1234under those exact conditions i would say android and meego are tied, and everyone else scores 011:16
thiagoI could agree, considering those aren't the only criteria11:17
thiagoit has to work, it should have apps11:17
ali1234meego just dropped out of the race11:17
thiagoandroid fails the "open governance" criterion11:18
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ali1234basically everything sucks :(11:18
thiagoyes11:18
Stskeepsso does meego at the moment :/ which is a bit upsetting11:18
thiagolife is hard11:18
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Stskeepsmorn wazd11:23
IanWizardI feel meego will get much better, as it gets the community behind it.11:26
IanWizarddriving it forward11:26
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JaffaMorning, all11:59
IanWizardJaffa, night12:03
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arfollAlison_Chaiken, i2c_i801 is there.... http://build.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=kernel-adaptation-pinetrail&oproject=devel%3Akernel%3A1.2&package=kernel-adaptation-pinetrail&project=home%3Abrendan%3Abranches%3Adevel%3Akernel%3A1.212:28
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lcukStskeeps, so we define ways to make it unsuck12:52
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lcuki have been reading many things over this weekend12:52
lcukas you say there are ideas for possible direction that we can work towards12:53
lcukjukka is right when he says focus towards 1.412:53
lcukwe have the n9x0-ce which is stable and works now which with the simpler targets of updated qt components and qt quick can gain compatability with harmattan12:54
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lcukStskeeps, when you say code is better, which specific code are you wanting to work towards12:55
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Stskeepslcuk: i'm saying that we can talk forever but what matters is implementation13:02
Stskeepseasier to relate to13:03
lcukStskeeps, of course it is13:03
lcukqt5/wayland/1.4 integration is reasonable in this regard since it is in sync with commercial end13:04
lcukbut my question was which code are you wanting to work on13:04
dm8tbris there a 1.4 roadmap yet?13:05
Stskeepsis there a 1.3 one..13:05
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Wayland_in_MeeGo13:06
lcukthere is a wayland roadmap which has 1.313:07
Stskeepsyes13:07
lcukolder http://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap13:09
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tmzt_hey is wayland working with gles 2?13:09
lcukall this conversation has occured already13:09
tmzt_standard gles2_cm abi13:09
Stskeepstmzt_: gles lib needs to support interacting with wayland windowing system and sharing hardware buffers13:10
Stskeepsbetween processes13:10
tmzt_special extensions?13:11
tmzt_or just image etc.13:11
tmzt_I believe it's gem based actually so sharing should be possible13:12
Stskeepsgo look at my wayland-wsegl work13:12
dm8tbrStskeeps: who'd be responsible for publishing an up to date roadmap for meego?13:12
Stskeepsyes, but when did you last see GEM in ARM gles2?13:12
Stskeepsdm8tbr: product/program management13:12
tmzt_hoping to bring this up on touchpad13:12
* dm8tbr looks at who the ... that is *wikiwikiwah*13:12
dm8tbr'Currently the meetings are not public. ' *sigh*13:14
dm8tbrno wonder I haven't heard about this13:14
Stskeepsi'm disillusioned and you know i'm all about denial, so things are definately bad13:14
Stskeeps:P13:14
tmzt_Stskeeps: qualcomm uses gem13:14
tmzt_Stskeeps: but also kgsl13:14
dm8tbr"Address the missing visibility on roadmapping. "13:14
Stskeepsdm8tbr: jukka did a great job and then feb11 came13:15
tmzt_was that raster or am I confusing his name13:15
tmzt_on the mailing list13:15
dm8tbryes, page hasn't been updated since march, last edit jukka13:16
lcukStskeeps, meego is more than nokia13:16
Stskeepslcuk: i know, but he was leading a better process for program management13:16
lcuki think Intel did quite a good job with the tablet ux actually13:17
Stskeepsno doubt on code, but do you know anything about the direction13:17
Stskeeps?13:17
lcukfor project management actually creating a whole ux from inception to delivery and actually open sourcing it makes them pretty damneed good13:17
lcuksure there are missing components in openness but to dismiss the effort that must have taken ..13:19
Stskeepsyes, but that's intel project management, not project management of a open project13:19
* dm8tbr wonders if he should shoot a mail to meego-pm and ask for updated roadmap for 1.3 and 1.413:20
Stskeepsfeel free13:20
lcukdm8tbr, how about we prepare a mail with a suggested roadmap13:20
lcukand ask for input on it13:20
lcukread the old roadmap docs13:21
lcukthey are open13:21
lcukand editable13:21
lcukand actually having them filled in for 1.4 would make an easier digest13:22
lcukthan just asking them to throw one over the wall13:22
dm8tbryeah, sure13:22
dm8tbrit's hard to argue with pro-activity :D13:23
Stskeepsdm8tbr: just like lbt's proposals have been met with total silence..13:23
Stskeepsand he even didn't make a novel for once13:23
dm8tbrStskeeps: I guess above the PM there is the TSG?13:23
Stskeeps:P13:23
Stskeepsdm8tbr: right13:23
dm8tbrwell grab your torches and pitchforks, call for a TSG...13:24
Stskeepsi vote for a roadmap saying "please hand over governance to stskeeps"13:24
Stskeeps;)13:24
dm8tbrStskeeps for president!13:24
dm8tbragain it's hard to argue with proactivity (unless one wants to look like a fool)13:26
Stskeeps-mm13:26
Stskeepsm13:26
Stskeepsm13:26
Stskeeps..13:26
dm8tbrlet's put together a list13:26
* lbt did that13:26
dm8tbrlet's expand lbt's list then13:26
lbtmay be useful as a strawman13:26
tmzt_cool stuf keep working :)13:27
lbtI think it would help to discuss the proposals on the ml13:27
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap1.413:27
Stskeepslcuk: mark as DRAFT and non-official13:27
lcukright, dm8tbr Stskeeps lbt - extremely baseline roadmap page, better than a blank paper13:28
Stskeepslcuk: just so noone is confused13:28
dm8tbr*nod* same thought13:28
dm8tbrdraft proposal13:28
lcukStskeeps, it is a Community draft proposal13:29
lcukand somebody needs to start documenting this stuff, it is in line with the steering group stuff13:30
lcukif we are to steer anywhere we need focus13:30
lcukso make changes to this as required13:30
lcukas you say, code is better - a wikipage is code to some people.13:30
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Stskeepsi'm lacking a bit of a good social contract, ie, what are you expected to do as a role/community member, etc13:32
lcukStskeeps, add it to the roadmap :)13:33
lcukit gives time to clarify and sort it out13:33
lcukyou have pondered social contract for a long time13:33
lcukbut in honesty, I would prefer business contracts in amongst it13:34
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lbtJaffa: OK13:39
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lbtJaffa: did you read my blog?13:40
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Jaffalbt: I did (linked to as the background)13:40
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lbtOK ... consider the goals+scope13:40
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lbtsince I think that's a platform architecture13:40
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lcukJaffa, is this steering group outline stuff that I have a pending one of as well, if so it would be good coming from yourself13:41
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lbts/'s a/addresses/13:41
infobotlbt meant: since I think thataddresses platform architecture13:41
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lbtso we need to address deliverables outside the linux SW stack too13:42
Jaffalbt: Goals/aims is what I was talking to Stskeeps about this morning. Is it innovation/evolution in project governance or technology which wants to be delivered.13:42
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lcuklbt, cross compatabile apps you mean?13:42
lcukor process flow integration13:43
Jaffalcuk: need to rewrite a bit which quotes a private email before sharing the link...13:43
lbtno ... the goal of meego (IMHO) is to facilitate product building13:43
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lcukJaffa, reasonable13:43
lcuki have been speaking to many here openly, hopefully you have been watching the conversations too13:43
lcukand the points raised are being expanded upon13:44
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lcukbug 990813:45
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MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9908 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, ASSI, Open roadmapping process defined but no implemented13:45
lcukwe should try to ensure the points in there are not ignored, it would be good to find a path which closed-fixed that bug13:46
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lcuklbt, meego is for product building, how can those products not be linux based?13:52
lbtread my blog :)13:52
lcuk"deliverables outside the linux sw stack"13:52
lcuklink again, the netsplit played havoc with eyes13:52
lbtfirst page, paragraph 413:53
lbthttp://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/restructure-meego-by-installments.html13:53
lbthttp://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/restructuring-meego-executive-summary.html13:53
lbt"They care about more than just the source that comes out of MeeGo"13:53
lbtif we deliver a linux stack then we are "just another distro"13:53
lcukunderstood13:54
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lbtthe SW stack is the single most important thing we deliver13:54
lbtbut it's not enough13:54
lcukyes, like I said to Stskeeps yesterday, as a sandwich we need an appealing set of fillings :)13:56
lcukpresented well and fresh13:56
jie-testjust an UI change can make another distribution.13:56
lcukjie-test, around meego ui/uxes are different everywhere13:57
lcukit frustrates me immensely to not see consistent suite of apps13:57
jie-testlcuk: use My design to make them unify  http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=168&t=34234913:58
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jie-testlcuk: I want more comments :)13:58
lcukjie-test, and how would that unify them13:58
aard_lcuk: I think the ease of completely changing the UX without having to worry about the system underneath is one of the most interesting points about meego14:00
jie-testlcuk: use seamless design, get similar feeling IMO.14:00
jie-testlcuk: at least get a config make them all work in a similar way.14:00
lcukaard_, yes and you know more than most about this14:01
jie-testaard_: although the brand meego is way too complex to explain in that way, they look different...14:02
aard_drawback is of course that we have different use&feel across devices -- but I'd say for most device manufacturers meego is mainly interesting because they just can change it14:02
lcukjie-test, unified look/feel across devices - this is how I see it: http://liqbase.net/a/20110218_024.jpg or http://liqbase.net/a/20110610_002.jpg14:02
lcukif we can achieve that using standard qt5/wayland/wm combination14:02
lcukand a suite of good looking apps working well together14:03
lcuki see that working because that is how my systems run in prototype form today14:03
lcukaard_, different use&feel is all in your head14:04
lcuka good app on a handheld scales upwards14:04
jie-testlcuk: looks the same. feeling the same, but the screen/font size would be issue14:04
lcukjie-test, no its not14:05
lcukthe only difference in using one to the other is how to write on the screen14:05
aard_lcuk: not really, as it depends on the manufacturer of a device providing proper styling/widget sets for the kind of technology you're using14:05
lcukone uses actual writing style, the other uses chalkboard writing style14:05
lcukaard_, the iphone/ipad has unified styling and apps work from iphone to ipad14:06
lcukwhich is exactly the same as I see meego handheld/tablet14:06
lcukwhich is exactly as it runs today14:06
jie-testlcuk: do you mean meego need some native applications?14:06
lcukjie-test, it needs things which show meego in the best light14:07
lcukas lbt says: lead by example14:07
lcukwe are building this supreme open os14:07
aard_lcuk: so? it's a locked in environment. if you use meego, you can for example decide do use some gtk-based ux, if that's best for your device. the qml stuff will probably never look perfect in such an environment14:07
lcukif we just say "its open do what you want"14:07
lcukit is not inviting for others really14:07
lcuka blank canvas14:07
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lcukaard_, agreed in that regard - we are seeing netbooks coming out with the netbook ux14:08
lcukbecause that is most stable and usable on devices without a ts14:08
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lcukjie-test, are you able to try and actually prototype your idea?14:08
lcukcould you try and get baseline working?14:08
lcukor are you just playing with ideas14:08
aard_as for handset/tablet, the meegotouch-stuff needs to die completely, then you'll have your unified ux14:09
aard_the initial idea behind the handset-ux was that meego provides stub applications without functionality, and every manufacturer will build his own implementation (or, maybe, license the applications from some other company involved)14:09
jie-testaard_: so let sign a UNI-UI across all device, let the manufacturers have their options to have unique ui while keep the UNIFY one14:10
jie-testif thats possible14:10
aard_jie-test: this ui will be tablet-ui, once the meegotouch-stuff is dead14:10
aard_which it already is, outside of CE14:10
lcukaard_, for performance and scale reasons and also because ability to modify the tablet ux to required degree is difficult14:12
jie-testaard_: which UI? I didn't even know...14:12
lcukjie-test, aard_ is right about the tablet ux though14:12
jie-testlcuk: is that what you showed me?14:13
lcukno, my work predates the tablet ux and has worked well across numerous devices for years14:13
lcukit is used by many folks every day14:14
lcukit just shows a very good focalpoint to explain how to do it properly14:14
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* jie-test felt no place here, as he just had an idea want spread and never learnt the UI design...14:15
lcukjie-test, as stskeeps says, code it up and test it14:16
lcukuntil then it is just a bit of peper14:17
lcukpaper14:17
jie-testlcuk: I never learnt coding, and my computer which run linux broken. I will wait to see.14:17
lcukafk14:20
jie-testafk here14:20
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lbtrestoring all meego users... this takes a bit14:23
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Stskeepsah.. packaging14:47
Stskeepsliberation-fonts build-deps on fontforge etc.. bringing in imagemagick and the whole circus14:47
Stskeepsbut in fact, it doesn't use it, at all, in packaging or build.14:47
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lcukStskeeps, when you said that the roadmap started is unofficial - how to go about making it official14:47
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Stskeepslcuk: honestly, don't know14:48
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lcukStskeeps, we can try to build on it as best we can14:48
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berndhsmorning15:00
jie-testgood night:D15:00
berndhsdon't work too late15:00
jie-testberndhs:  I just started my school assessment due tomorrow15:01
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lbtc.obs is back15:08
lbtFWIW something happened to the www.meego DB and a blank list of users got 'sync'ed to LDAP. Primarily impacting OBS15:10
Stskeepsthat sounds bad15:11
lbtI put in a guard15:12
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lbthmm and we're getting 5 new registrations every few mins15:15
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berndhssounds like DOS15:15
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lbtMetddlgdinRenita@hotmail.com = darrenirwin5r DestinIrwin15:15
lbtyeah ...15:16
lbtgrumble...15:16
Stskeepsgo look at "current users" of forum.meego.com maybe15:17
Stskeepsdon't we have a captcha?15:17
lbtnot in www.meego.com15:17
lbtAFAIK15:18
Stskeepsok15:18
StskeepsMost users ever online was 2,270, 02-01-11 at 11:54 AM.15:18
Stskeepsstskeeps, abelsalas24, antoineaceve923, brockvelez13, bryanpruitt12, bufordlang12, burtonwise410, darrenirwin5r, elemental, ethanwilson922, fbookslut123, felixlester230, floydlloyd716, fredmendez513, gradylowe922, grantnoel819, gregoryterry410, gusramirez1230, houstonburt24, huntermontoy511, jamardeleon616, jeanbenson25, jermainewate23, jerrodbeard1024, jessebullock1126, josemoreno511, josharmstron12, kirkmccarthy716, ...15:18
Stskeeps... kurtishodges1026, lelandwaller10o, martink, mechanic, meegoexperts, numberstaylo13, ojdon, olivercole12, parkerreed19, pillum, rickthomas615, robbymccall819, rogerphelps11, romandale614, shanenewman1229, soder, staceyparks819, stephenchave124, sterlingcraw1128, theodoremcfa923, thierryblois819, ulyssesselle922, wanmat33, wilfredohoov614, willi4ml4mb08, wonko, zacherymarti619, zeamoceq15:18
Stskeepsdoesn't sond right15:18
lbtthe web guys don't seem as security aware as I'd like15:19
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Stskeeps.. point ryan to it?15:19
lbtyeah15:19
* Stskeeps admires his enthusiasm for security15:19
thiagoStskeeps: Feb 1st or Jan 2nd?15:25
Stskeepsthiago: you know, that's a good question15:25
thiagowere you online just after new year's?15:26
StskeepsUS format15:27
Stskeepsso 1st feb 201115:27
dm8tbrlbt: re blank list, there was this maintenance window 8h ago15:32
lbtyeah, but it happened about an hour ago15:35
lbtI was working and then it just stopped15:35
dm8tbrah, ic15:35
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lcukStskeeps, feb1st was a normal irc day15:48
lcukwas when we got questions about Asian contacts missing ui stuff15:48
lcukand we were discussing roadmap and contributions..15:48
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meegofreak2when is the next meego conference ?15:59
Stskeepssupposedly early next year15:59
meegofreak2dateß15:59
meegofreak2if you delay, please mention a fixed date16:00
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lcukVenemo, hi - you might have seen, qgil has been having a go at porting harmattan qml app to meego n900-ce16:46
lcukfor the most part now we have qt components it appears to work16:46
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dm8tbrand for the rest we have bugs appering16:46
lcukyes16:47
lcukStskeeps, the roadmap will need to be filled out with more details of how the window manager/ux will sit together with all the awesome components available16:48
lcukand how we can actually achieve such a thing16:48
lcukwhen you look at android variant uxes, they have the core set of front end apps in differentiation16:48
berndhslcuk: you made a roadmap ?16:49
lcukclock/calendar/tasks16:49
lcukberndhs, started to outline one16:49
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap1.416:49
berndhsgood, let me read it16:49
lcuktrying to discuss some of the things needed16:49
lcukthe elements are all meant to be available by that timeframe16:50
lcukberndhs, please make changes where required16:50
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lcukthe most important thing we will need is to actually bring them together into a polished cohesive and appealing ux16:50
berndhsyes16:51
lcukStskeeps, last week I did some digging in my archives16:51
lcukand as well as mandelrot generator16:51
lcukfrom the same time i had an app launcher16:51
berndhsif people want to change the ux, it is easier if they ahve a basis to start from16:51
lcukyeah16:51
lcukso far the handheld public ux has been challenging to become fluid16:52
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berndhshaven't tried the handheld public, waiting for moslo16:57
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lcukberndhs, the n900-ce works and is going to be good testbed for the next evolution17:00
berndhsyes that was my impression17:01
lcukadded a few items under the ux item17:02
berndhsi was hoping for a tablet too, but I don't think that is happening with the exopcs17:03
lcukwell if we can get aa good ux working it will upscale17:04
berndhshow important is wayland ? for what kind of work does it make a difference ?17:04
lcuklow level window/texture management - replacement for x1117:05
berndhsfor the scaling, if I can make apps and ux parts work on phone and desktop, they should be ok for tablet :)17:05
lcukit is not vital but working with X is hard17:05
lcukberndhs, sure17:05
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lcuki have the principles working now17:05
lcukscalable apps work on a tiling WM too17:06
berndhsI still dont have a good way to decide what the physical screen size is17:06
berndhsfor now I look if the device has imsi and imei strings, if yes I say its a phone with a little screen17:06
berndhsthat probably works for today, but its hackish17:07
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berndhsand if doesn't tell me if the phone is displaying on a TV :)17:08
lcukberndhs, I have known the scaleability since http://liqbase.net/a/liqbase_big.JPG17:08
lcukat the maemo summit, i mentioned "visible from orbit"17:09
lcukmake the ui scale to the available size17:09
lcukand it is usable on whatever :)17:09
berndhsyes, but it doesn't address things like: is everything full screen or not17:10
berndhsif you basically make your own window manager, that doesnt matter of course17:10
berndhsi should get the liqbase thing to work on 64 bit desktop17:11
RST38hOk, I am back home, so whoever has bug reports on my stuff for Harmattan, pour them in17:11
lcukberndhs, some bugs for 64bit but relatively minor I recall17:12
lcukRST38h, what did you release for harmattan?17:12
berndhsthere was the one tag field, you said its not in too many places17:13
lcukyeah17:15
* lcuk keeps trying to organise a better website but was blocking on data synchronisation stuff to think about it17:15
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RST38hlcuk:http://fms.komkon.org/EmuMeego/17:19
lcukcool RST38h17:21
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* javispedro still can't use c.obs17:52
javispedro$ osc build harmattan armv7el17:52
javispedroGetting buildinfo from server ...17:52
javispedroServer returned an error: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request17:52
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Stskeepsosc -d build harmattan armv7el17:53
javispedro<status code='400' origin='backend'>17:53
javispedroin the "POST https://api.pub.meego.com/build/home:javispedro..../_buildinfo" operation17:54
javispedro(if the full log helps I can pastebin)17:54
Stskeepsok17:54
* Stskeeps scratches his head17:55
javispedroalso, osc rebuildpak and using the WWW interface to trigger a rebuild do nothing..17:55
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Stskeepshow can a rpmlint test fail on armv7 softfp when it doesn't fail on armv7 hardfp17:55
Stskeepsi will never learn to understand computers17:57
Stskeeps:P17:57
javispedroyour computers clearly need sledge hammer therapy17:57
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javispedroosc prjresults works and returns  . . .  "harmattan armv7el (broken)"18:07
Stskeepsinteresting18:07
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VenemoStskeeps, what did it fail on?18:14
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StskeepsVenemo: pep263 or something like that, mistaking #! -! encoding: koi- for a script call (a-la #!/bin/sh)18:23
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VenemoStskeeps, weird18:37
* javispedro watches packages not using the harmattan target build succesfully18:41
berndhs  c.obs built my package for MeeGo_Trunk_standard ok, but is stuck on Harmattan, just now18:42
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Stskeepsarfoll: i think the real fix would be in kernel instead18:51
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VenemoStskeeps, now that approx. a year has gone by since "handset ux day 1", this page still makes me sad. http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status18:56
VenemoStskeeps, is that status page even up to date?18:58
Stskeepsgo look at the actual qa reports19:00
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IanWizardVenemo, Aug 22.19:25
Venemohmm19:25
StskeepsVenemo: there is corner cases causing problems, but not primary issues19:26
VenemoStskeeps, page states about phone calls, "does not meet the requirements for a primary device".... sounds serious.19:26
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StskeepsVenemo: and windows XP was shipped with several thousands of known bugs.. there are problems but instead of being sad, file bugs and test things19:28
Stskeepsand ideally contribute code19:28
Venemowell, yeah, I know19:28
Venemobut I don't exactly prefer the handset ux at all. I wish Intel adapted their UX to mobile phones already.19:29
Stskeepseven cordia is going to look and function like crap for a long while :)19:29
Stskeepsor any other UX19:29
Venemoumm, why do you say that?19:33
Stskeepsbecause that every UX goes through phases until it reaches day-to-day usage19:33
lcukStskeeps, windows xp was functionally stable and ran well on target hardware.  those are the sorts of bugs still being dealt with on the n900-ce19:34
VenemoStskeeps, yeah, that is agreed. but still... I was somehow hoping for a fully usable MeeGo this year. do you think it will happen?19:35
Venemolcuk, agreed19:35
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lcukVenemo, i have fully usable meego netbook and if i could somehow work out how to fix 13084 i would be happier on handset too19:35
* lcuk looks sideways at sgx19:36
Venemolcuk, yeah, I know it is good on netbooks, but I don't own a netbook.19:36
StskeepsVenemo: if you want a fully usable OS, buy one (like linpus'es or N9, etc) or contribute towards a open source one19:36
timophthe definition of usable varies19:37
lcuktimoph, bug 20099 really impacts day to day usage even though it is fixed locally it is pending merge request acceptance19:37
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, geoff, ASSI, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." .19:37
* lcuk really facepalms at that bug19:37
timophthe n900ce is currently perfectly usable for my use19:37
Stskeepspeople are so expectant of things these days or feeling a sense of entitlement that breaks many good open source projects19:37
lcuktimoph, indeed, for building apps etc it is good19:38
lcukand you make extensive use of it !19:38
timophyep :)19:38
Stskeepsand well, mobile OS's are like sausages - they are really nice and delicious when you eat them when they're done but the process to make it isn't very pretty19:38
timophI think people get confused by open development19:38
lcuktimoph, I started to put together a bit of a roadmap for where 1.4 could aim towards http://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap1.419:38
Stskeepsin open source you see the process from pig to sausage on a plate19:38
timophyep19:39
Stskeeps-including- a pig humping another19:39
Stskeeps:P19:39
timoph:D19:39
RST38hFrom my experience, pigs humping each other is what you mostly see19:39
* timoph nods19:39
RST38hWhile someone, usually a single person, quietly writes the software and releases it for the pigs to roll over19:40
timophall part of the fun19:40
VenemoStskeeps, yeah, it would be nice if I could contribute some code. I seriously planned to do it during the summer. then the summer just went by, I had a lot more todos than I anticipated, and now it ends, and I feel depressed that I couldn't really do anything about it.19:40
lcukVenemo, in a way you have contributed already19:41
lcukby making the irc client for meego harmattan19:41
Venemolcuk, well, that doesn't fix the dialing problems, or the video playback issue.19:41
lcukno but it puts you in contact with those who might :P19:41
Venemo:D19:42
RST38hYes, yes, "cannot code", "do not know C++", "things to do", "depressed", etc19:42
timophlcuk: Regarding that 1.4 roadmap. I seem to have missed something. I'm not getting the big picture from that wiki :/19:42
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lcuktimoph, what do you mean?19:42
lcukit was just a conversation earlier19:42
timophah19:42
lcukwhere I though I should write down some notes19:42
lcuksince jaffa has started some project steering stuff I might as well do this instead19:43
timophit being notes explains the missing bits :)19:43
lcukJaffa, lbt, Stskeeps how is that conversation going19:43
Stskeepslcuk: jotting down notes - different from the CE steering stuff19:43
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lcukso not community related?19:44
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Stskeepsit is not CE related, it's more in the vein of Mer stuff19:44
lcukor has the definition of community changed :P19:44
timophlcuk: those are community edition road map notes?19:44
lcukmer is a community led distribution ;)19:44
lcuktimoph, they are the notes made amongst those involved in -ce so far19:45
lcukwhat came up in discussions over the weekend19:45
lcukand what seems achievable19:45
timophyep. Looks like I have some catching up to do (was at my sister's wedding and a punk rock festival after that yesterday)19:46
jupajaHi! anyone of u know about the update problems from 1.2.80..0.20110503.2 to 1.2.80.15.0.20110816.1 i got this 11 problems Problem: nothing provides meegotouch-applauncherd-lbooster needed by meego-app-calculator-0.2.8-1.1.i586 Problem: nothing provides meegotouch-applauncherd-lbooster needed by meego-app-calendar-0.2.16-1.63.i586 Problem: nothing provides meego-ux-daemon >= 0.2.27 needed by meego-ux-panels-0.3.12.1-1.21.i586 Problem: no19:47
Stskeepsjupaja: meego 1.3 is broken and a lot of tablet UX stuff does not build19:47
Stskeeps1.2.80 is 1.319:47
jupajai know that 1.2.80 is 1.3 ;)19:47
Stskeepsbuild.meego.com, check Trunk project and "monitor"19:48
jupajaokey that it is broken i saw also but i cant ger new or than 1.2.80..0.20110503.219:48
jupajasorry for my bad english19:48
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Stskeepsthere is weekly images done atm i think19:49
jupajafounded were?19:50
Stskeepsrepo.meego.com19:50
Stskeepsplease comment on any problems on meego-packaging@ mailing list19:50
* timoph would currently recommend using 1.2.0.90 unless the goal is to *work* on the bleeding edge19:51
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jupajai have 1.2.80.0.20110503.2  but is it posible to get the last one ? any tryy it with good result try it now snice few days :719:54
Stskeepsrepo.meego.com should have it19:55
Stskeepsdownload.meego.com/snapshots else19:55
jupajaany try with dist-upgarde the img are broken :(19:57
jupajatry out now snapshots19:58
jupajamay it works19:58
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jupajaalso with http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.80/latest/ 11 Problems: Problem: nothing provides meegotouch-applauncherd-lbooster needed by meego-app-calculator-0.2.8-1.1.i586 Problem: nothing provides meegotouch-applauncherd-lbooster needed by meego-app-calendar-0.2.16-1.57.i586 Problem: nothing provides meego-ux-daemon >= 0.2.27 needed by meego-ux-panels-0.3.12.1-1.20.i586 Problem: nothing provides meego-ux-daemon >= 0.2.220:02
jupaja:(20:02
Stskeepsjupaja: so, the tablet UX does not build at the moment at all in MeeGo Trunk20:02
Stskeepsjupaja: this means snapshots won't work either20:03
jupajaokey mh report it were ?20:03
Stskeepscomplain on meego-packaging@20:04
Stskeepsi don't know what intel is doing with tablet ux20:04
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jupajamh... may i will get some infomrmation ...20:11
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jupajayes it is broke :(20:20
jupajauncool will check now the mailinglist20:20
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arfollStskeeps, it's not a 'fix' ;-) I'm not sure where the fix should come from but this hack should keep us going ;-)21:04
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nschle85ali1234: hello, did you have any success to recompile a working u-boot ?22:32
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lcukJaffa, those cpus look quick on the spec sheet!23:05
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Jaffalcuk: They do, don't they. Think how quickly Qt Creator & Scratchbox'll be able to slow down my system ;-)23:09
lcukJaffa, maybe i am getting lazy but since I got this laptop with collabora I have not considered another desktop23:10
lcukbut it makes me ponder about gaming etc23:10
* Jaffa 's work laptop isn't suitable for home use :-(23:10
lcuki haven't played portal 2 yet23:10
* Jaffa quite fancies getting Portal 2. But maybe a cheap PS3 (199gbp now) would be a better idea.23:10
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JaffaSnap23:10
lcukheh23:11
lcukgoing seeing f1 cars drive down deansgate tomorrow23:11
lcukJaffa, how was the rest of your MCR trip?23:11
Jaffalcuk: Jenson'll deserve a warm applause for today's performance23:12
Jaffalcuk: Good. Slightly disappointed couldn't stay around for Pride/F1 etc23:12
lcukyeah23:12
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lcukpride is good fun23:14
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nasa01Hi, does anyone know if you can link a project as a repo within OBS?23:19
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CosmoHillno but a lot of people have been asking about that recently23:22
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nasa01So...  I've been asking trying to figure this out.  Using the public OBS, I added a repo titled "Meego:trunk/standard" but I have no idea where that actually is.23:25
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nasa01I thought it pointed to "download.meego.com/live/trunk/standard" but recent compile efforts prove that to be incorrect.23:25
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nasa01How does one tell?23:26
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