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| npm | it seemed broken this morning... had to seemed like my usual freenode host was down. | 00:05 |
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| npm | ^^ Ulf^ | 00:05 |
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| npm | s/had to/ | 00:06 |
| npm | :-) | 00:06 |
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| berndhs | let's keep quiet about it, lest they shut us down too | 00:06 |
| npm | huh? did i miss something? | 00:06 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Does anyone know how to specify a package to absolutely force exclusion of in mic2? -packagename in .ks doesn't appear to be sufficient. | 00:28 |
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| Ulf^ | Alison_Chaiken, --excludepkgs="package" as a parameter behind the repo --name URL --save | 00:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks Ulf^, I'll try it. | 00:34 |
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| augustl | any suggestions to what I can do to make the QtSDK emulator use hardware Open GL on linux? I set it to use hardware instead of auto, but it still runs with SoftGL. | 00:52 |
| augustl | or should I just do Qt dev on my windows partition? ;) | 00:52 |
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| kakin | I want to mount a meego on my arvv7 | 01:33 |
| kakin | armv7 | 01:33 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | kakin, do you have a particular question? Have you looked athttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/ ? | 01:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | oops, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/ | 01:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Also, kakin, take note of the #meego-arm channel and other channels for BeagleB, etc. | 01:58 |
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| kakin | Thank u alison | 02:00 |
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| ali1234 | hey why is the mailing list bouncing my emails saying i am not subscribed? | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | i'm receiving list mail, what is going on? | 02:14 |
| thiago | probably sending with the wrong sender address | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | no | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | hmm maybe | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | no, i'm sending form the address that the ML delivers to | 02:16 |
| ali1234 | also i've posted before without problems | 02:16 |
| ali1234 | according to my meego.com account page i am subscribed | 02:18 |
| ali1234 | i guess i will open a bug | 02:18 |
| ali1234 | i just wanted to reply to the guy having trouble with ideapad wireless, to reset the bios because of that known bug that nobody mentioned yet | 02:18 |
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| ali1234 | ah, did he cross post? | 02:19 |
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| ali1234 | yes, he did | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | and i am not subscribed to *all* those MLs | 02:20 |
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| ali1234 | the joys of having over 9000 mailing lists.... | 02:20 |
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| kakin | did u confirm | 02:24 |
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| html | "mee go" to facebook!! lol | 03:59 |
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| kakin | lol | 05:32 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:23 |
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| Tumi_ | morning | 06:42 |
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| ebo | kokeilittekos jo 10.7.1 -pätsiä, toimiko ok? | 07:40 |
| ebo | sorry, wrong channel. :) | 07:40 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:15 |
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| lcuk | [MeeGo-dev] N900 and N900CE related bugs http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg10558.html | 12:39 |
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| lcuk | araujo, that is a good thread :) | 12:40 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: .o/ | 12:42 |
| lcuk | srihi CosmoHill | 12:42 |
| * lcuk just reviewing bug meeting from this morning | 12:42 | |
| lcuk | and reading mails | 12:42 |
| CosmoHill | I got a Sony w995 last night and I've been playing with it a lot | 12:42 |
| CosmoHill | and going on facebook >.< | 12:42 |
| lcuk | nice | 12:42 |
| lcuk | lbt, I am also reading and rereading http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/restructure-meego-by-installments.html | 12:42 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: I wasn't happy when my phone went online cos I get charged for data tranfer, only to tell me that it requires wifi to use iplayer, even tho the wifi was on and there was no reason to use 3G | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, that is amusing | 13:06 |
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| CosmoHill | Dear Nokia, get a new proxy, thanks | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | heh, damn straight | 13:59 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: do you still play openttd? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | on occasion | 14:00 |
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| CosmoHill | what add-ons do you use? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | only one is the tram one really | 14:01 |
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| CosmoHill | I have an expanding amount but my tram one doesn't work. I use canadian stations, british trains and big trucks | 14:02 |
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| CosmoHill | ffs nokia | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | what is the technology used for pen input on the htc flyer? | 14:12 |
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| Stskeeps | sausage? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:14 |
| lcuk | i mean wacom or similar | 14:14 |
| lcuk | i do not know the technology name though | 14:15 |
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| Sho_ | lcuk: i read something about a collab with N-trig iirc | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | Sho_, what do you mean what is N-trig? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | N-trig DuoSense® Solution Technology Overview | 14:18 |
| lcuk | N-trig DuoSense® solution is a dual-mode interface, powered by a single device, utilizing both pen and projected capacitive multi-touch functionality. | 14:18 |
| lcuk | ahhh!!!! | 14:18 |
| Sho_ | lcuk: N-trig is a company making digital pen techology | 14:18 |
| Sho_ | which I think is what HTC is using on the Flyer | 14:18 |
| lcuk | http://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=DualModeTechnology | 14:18 |
| lcuk | Sho_, it sounds great actually | 14:19 |
| * lcuk wonders about a device program | 14:19 | |
| Sho_ | well, I like the 7" form factor a lot | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | Sho_, yes it is a nice size for writing on | 14:20 |
| lcuk | now, we just have make a meego product using it | 14:20 |
| Sho_ | for reading too imho | 14:20 |
| lcuk | Sho_, sure | 14:20 |
| Sho_ | kindle size is already too large for me to use comfortaby in bed | 14:21 |
| Sho_ | *comfortably | 14:21 |
| lcuk | Sho_, I use my n810/n900s for reading | 14:21 |
| lcuk | the n900 is a little smaller than I prefer but with autoscroll | 14:22 |
| Sho_ | lcuk: yep, N810 + FBReader here still, too | 14:22 |
| lcuk | it reads fine | 14:22 |
| * lcuk uses liqbook :) | 14:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | fbreader here on n900 works well | 14:22 |
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| Sho_ | a trooper, that good old N810 .. | 14:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | And I have a kindle. | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, fbreader is great for the various file formats | 14:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | To setup the kindle for restful nightime reading is muchharder, as I need to screw with the lights | 14:23 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:23 |
| lcuk | kindle is a great beachbook | 14:23 |
| Sho_ | and I don't really believe in dedicated ebook reading devices anyway ... I want the full power of a proper mobile OS | 14:24 |
| Sho_ | it's just more satisfying in terms of software ecosystem | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes - it's good for reading in the sun | 14:24 |
| lcuk | Sho_, taking phone with slide keyboard onto a beach is o_O inducing | 14:24 |
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| Sho_ | lcuk: heh i don't often get to read on beaches anyway | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | Sho_, thanks for that link | 14:29 |
| lcuk | what I am wondering is if that is just screen and if the computer is included | 14:29 |
| * lcuk writes it into the spec anyway | 14:29 | |
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| Sho_ | happy to help | 14:29 |
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| cityLights | is qgill here/ | 14:43 |
| cityLights | here? | 14:43 |
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| bkalinga | gdb /tmp/corewatcher/core.1293.processed | 14:45 |
| bkalinga | "/tmp/corewatcher/core.1293.processed": not in executable format: File format not recognized | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, "gdb --core=corefile" | 14:51 |
| lcuk | the default parameter is the binary | 14:51 |
| bkalinga | ok | 14:51 |
| bkalinga | why the name is with .processed is that the case in Linux | 14:52 |
| lcuk | idk | 14:53 |
| lcuk | cityLights, it is a bit early for quim | 14:53 |
| lcuk | try email or forum message | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | i will be on email for rest of the day \o | 16:12 |
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| paulk | hi | 17:01 |
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| paulk | anyone working on porting meego to the nexus s here? | 17:02 |
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| dm8tbr | paulk: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird#Nexus_S | 17:04 |
| paulk | yeah I know this page | 17:04 |
| paulk | I'd like to give the answer to the bad colors | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 17:05 |
| paulk | anyone interested here? | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | #meego-arm might work better but usually people are in here too | 17:05 |
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| the-boss | Stskeeps: Error: "meego-arm" is not a valid command. | 17:05 |
| paulk | ah I see | 17:05 |
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| paulk | thanks | 17:06 |
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| iekku | tomorrows N900CE bug triage meeting is cancelled, having fever | 18:13 |
| dm8tbr | iekku: get well soon! | 18:14 |
| iekku | thanks | 18:14 |
| dm8tbr | iekku: and now hopp, bed, no laptops! | 18:14 |
| iekku | yes dad... :P | 18:15 |
| dm8tbr | :P | 18:15 |
| * dm8tbr isn't _that_ old | 18:15 | |
| iekku | haha | 18:16 |
| iekku | but i'm just teenager... | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, for your project, are you using just the exopc or will the ivi stuff work on other devices? | 19:51 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I have variously used the ExoPC or the Pandaboard. The IVI is not that different from other MeeGo UXes in its HW requirements, so general remarks apply. | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | cool | 20:00 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | This morning in a clean install of "Tablet Preview", I zypped up. The update got halfway through and froze. Reboots produced an unusable system. | 20:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I tried zypping up more, as previous updates did not complete, but liblzma.so.0 was missing, and zypp was stuck. | 20:07 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Investigation showed that there was /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5, but not liblzma.so.0. I made the symlink via ln, and am happy to say that zypper runs again. | 20:08 |
| Alison_Chaiken | The repo I'm pulling from is trunk/latest. Hope this helps somebody! | 20:08 |
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| augustl | hi, folks. Can I make alt+tab only list windows in the current zone? Kind of like how gnome2 and xfce handles it, per workspace alt+tab. | 20:19 |
| augustl | alternatively, is there an advanced settings browser somewhere, gconf style? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, ensuring zypper works is quite important, but updating packages appears not to be | 20:21 |
| lcuk | I know you have pasted it here, I wonder whether a bug report would be needed | 20:21 |
| lcuk | augustl, I have looked for advanced things around alt-tab but never found any way to handle it | 20:21 |
| * lcuk would really like to try and make some feature requests in that department | 20:22 | |
| lcuk | augustl, how do you like the sliding animation on alt-tab? | 20:22 |
| augustl | lcuk: I see | 20:22 |
| iekku | lcuk, i think there's some open bugs already about updating. if not there's need for one | 20:22 |
| augustl | I wish I could skip that as well ;) Or make it faster. | 20:22 |
| augustl | anyways, I'm talking about multiple windows in one zone. I manually place a terminal and emacs in the same zone. | 20:22 |
| augustl | and want to alt tab only between those two. And use ctrl+alt+arrow keys to swap zones | 20:23 |
| iekku | lcuk, and i think those would be release_update_blockers... | 20:23 |
| lcuk | bug 10544 is the one that if cured would help multitasking immensely | 20:23 |
| augustl | not a sensible default, but would be nice to have a setting for that | 20:23 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications | 20:23 |
| lcuk | iekku, ahh great | 20:23 |
| iekku | lcuk, or then i'm just hallusinating with my fever, let me check | 20:24 |
| lcuk | iekku, I know there are some for the noarch | 20:24 |
| lcuk | bug 20493 | 20:25 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20493 nor, Undecided, ---, marko.saukko, ASSI, [CE] armv7nhl packages do not get updated properly | 20:25 |
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| iekku | lcuk, so this is met also with vanilla image? | 20:25 |
| Sage | iekku: that is with vanilla for sure as well. | 20:26 |
| lcuk | iekku, not sure, have not tested - there are various bugs around zypper that I try and wade through to see common things | 20:26 |
| augustl | does nokia's work on the N9 affect the netbook meego at all? I don't know anything about the meego architecture.. | 20:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | no. | 20:27 |
| iekku | augustl, the CE bug is for MeeGo N900 Community Edition | 20:28 |
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| augustl | are there any shared components between meego netbook and meego for the n9? | 20:28 |
| iekku | augustl, not for the N9, having MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan, and those bugs are not reported to the bugs.meego.com | 20:28 |
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| augustl | iekku: I see | 20:29 |
| iekku | Sage, that's something i have been thinking, since there's been so much talking about that in here | 20:29 |
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| iekku | maybe some brave soldier have enough time to file a bug? | 20:29 |
| iekku | lcuk, volunteer? ;) | 20:30 |
| augustl | does harmattan contain any netbook stuff? Or is it just for phones? Can I install a harmattan beta on my eee? | 20:31 |
| lcuk | iekku, I do not have an x86 system/tablet to test updating from | 20:31 |
| iekku | lcuk, ok | 20:31 |
| lcuk | i can only usb load meego on my ideapad | 20:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | augustl: you can't install harmattan anywhere but on an N9. | 20:31 |
| lcuk | I have applied for an exopc | 20:31 |
| iekku | lcuk, hope you get one | 20:31 |
| lcuk | iekku, me too :) | 20:32 |
| augustl | TSCHAKeee: I see | 20:32 |
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| * lcuk speccing out full application for future | 20:32 | |
| augustl | meego is a collection of OS-es, then? One netbook OS, one mobile os, etc? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | iekku, having a strong updatable OS is important | 20:32 |
| lcuk | and hopefully the tablet ux will be good | 20:32 |
| iekku | lcuk, +1 | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | iekku, every day I try best to ensure | 20:33 |
| augustl | and I guess a common Qt core? | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | augustl, yes, there has been somedilly dallying around with the 1.3 and project needs to be back on track | 20:33 |
| iekku | ok, now going to lay on sofa, having 38C now and feels like more to come | 20:33 |
| lcuk | iekku, rest easy | 20:33 |
| augustl | seems like https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-core-software-platform answers my questions | 20:34 |
| augustl | so N9 basically is Meego 1.2 for mobiles? With enough dedication I could get the N9 os on, say, a samsung phone? | 20:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh | 20:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | augustl: the N9 runs a specific version of Maemo 6, called Harmattan | 20:35 |
| augustl | oh, so it's not MeeGo. Sorry. | 20:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | augustl: it is not,nor will be available for anything else than the Nokia N9 | 20:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | you can not port it | 20:35 |
| augustl | so it's not a free OS. I see. | 20:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | it is MeeGo Compliant | 20:35 |
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| TSCHAKeee | fuck, i swear | 20:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | you pedants | 20:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | waaah, not a free OS | 20:35 |
| augustl | TSCHAKeee: you need a hug. *hugs* | 20:36 |
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| peterbjornxz | hello | 20:36 |
| augustl | TSCHAKeee: I'm not whining, I'm just curious ;) | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo TSCHAKeee, how goes? | 20:36 |
| peterbjornxz | is there anything i can do to speed up the n900ce ? | 20:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: could be better, just spent the last 6 hours recovering my house computer, because a runaway program was crasing repeatedly and dropping multi-gig cores all over the place, filling up the disk, and on its way out, it decided to truncate my passwd, group, shadow, and pluto.conf files | 20:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i am back up and running again, but nothing like a near catastrophe to bring blood pressure to levels never before. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: ah, linux.. | 20:38 |
| peterbjornxz | LOL, that was one mighty bug then | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | peterbjornxz: what class SD card | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:38 |
| peterbjornxz | eMMC | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that may perform worse | 20:38 |
| peterbjornxz | ok, so, its the storage | 20:39 |
| augustl | TSCHAKeee: anyway, thanks, I didn't realize maemo still existed. | 20:39 |
| peterbjornxz | i thought maybe bad kernel settings | 20:39 |
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| Sage | iekku: there are also other zypp bugs in the 1.2.x branch but I haven't had time to track those down. | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | peterbjornxz: there's many good reasons why things are slow | 20:40 |
| peterbjornxz | are there any reasons i can solve by tweaking something? | 20:40 |
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| Sage | iekku: also might be something in mic though as well but I will check those during this or next week as I need those to be solved anyway. | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | peterbjornxz: if you have experience tuning, feel free to experiment | 20:40 |
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| iekku | Sage, thanks! good work, as always! | 20:42 |
| augustl | TSCHAKeee: haha this was all explained in the wikipedia article on the N9. >< | 20:43 |
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| peterbjornxz | what is qt_reco_app | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | nontranslated string | 20:46 |
| peterbjornxz | i mean which app | 20:46 |
| peterbjornxz | it is not responding | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | the active one i think | 20:47 |
| peterbjornxz | are there any n900 overclocking apps for meego | 20:47 |
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| blauzahl | whoa... my n900 runs hot as it is | 21:16 |
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| CosmoHill | blah | 22:10 |
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| augustl | been googling for info on running other OS-es than android on an Asus Transformer. Not finding much. Has anyone been able to run meego on it? | 22:34 |
| augustl | a transformer with meego would rock, for some terminal and emacs goodness | 22:34 |
| npm | wow i seem to have crystalhd enabled on my exopc after following http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC#Crystal_HD_Video_Decoder_.28BCM70015.29 | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | augustl: you could see if the hardware is meego compatable, is the device a phone or a netbook? | 22:35 |
| npm | now playing back 720p HD video from youtube using http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port | 22:35 |
| augustl | CosmoHill: it looks a lot like an eee. But it's in fact a tablet running android with a detachable keyboard | 22:36 |
| augustl | CosmoHill: the CPU is a nvidia tegra though | 22:36 |
| npm | apparently qtmobility appears to use the crystalhd "transparently" | 22:37 |
| lcuk | augustl, there are some details about tegra devices | 22:37 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 22:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | npm, I made the mistake of zypp updating my ExoPC to 1.2.80 and it got totally borked. Something breaks rpmdb. | 22:37 |
| lcuk | well, tagra2 | 22:37 |
| npm | yeah 1.2.0.90 is the one | 22:37 |
| augustl | lcuk: ah nice | 22:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Next step was going to be crystalHD: try, try again. | 22:37 |
| npm | 1.2.80 is 1.3 which is not ready | 22:37 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, since the discussion before, would you care to file a bug | 22:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Stick with 1.2.0.90 for ExoPC right now, npm? | 22:38 |
| npm | well i did have to apply a little http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem treatment | 22:38 |
| npm | to get it to compile | 22:38 |
| npm | it appeared to want 'xen-devel' for some reason | 22:38 |
| npm | so i got it from fedora just like everything else | 22:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I'm willing to file a bug. I'm not sure what exactly is going on, though. Zypper's logfile is MB of incomprehensible crap. | 22:39 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I guess I could just post the whole zypper logfile, but it seems kind of hostile! | 22:39 |
| npm | but it's definitely accelerated because it was only able to get about 1-2 frames per second before | 22:39 |
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| npm | w/ 720P HD video | 22:39 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, fair enough - if it is undecipherable it might not help | 22:39 |
| npm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTvwS2K3NNQ never looked better | 22:40 |
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| augustl | where's a good place to ask for help about making the Qt SDK maemo emulator use hardware rendering? Currently using softGl, which is rather painful and slow. | 22:45 |
| npm | New output seem from QtMobility Video component w/ crystalhd loaded: "Running DIL (3.22.0) Version" "DtsDeviceOpen: Opening HW in mode 0" "Scaling command param 0x0,ctx_scal:0x0" | 22:48 |
| lcuk | augustl, the #meego-sdk people may know, but not sure which may allow you to do this | 22:50 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | bbl | 22:53 |
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| CosmoHill | augustl: if you're still about and have a 2GB memory stick I'd suggest you see if the device can 1. boot from USB and 2. run MeeGo | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | worse case is that it doesn't run meego, you remove the memory stick and reboot | 23:29 |
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| ali1234 | if it can't boot from usb i doubt it will run meego | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | (assuming x86) | 23:46 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | ali1234, any device that has usb can be made to boot from usb using plop/unetbootin. | 23:58 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Works on WeTab, for example. | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | i have a 486 machine that disagrees with you | 23:59 |
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