| lbt | lcuk: LFS would be a good project for you ... and adapting it to do systemd and/or wayland would be a mega learning experience | 00:02 |
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| * lbt debates doing that himself "one day" | 00:02 | |
| lcuk | lbt, indeed it would | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | I've been meaning to try wayland since I've heard of it | 00:03 |
| lcuk | I have recently obtained a bridge lbt | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | also Joe, the CLFS co-leader is planning systemd for CLFS 2.0 | 00:03 |
| lcuk | I can now migrate my sketches and synchronise to other devices | 00:03 |
| lbt | wayland partéeee | 00:03 |
| lcuk | and: I HAVE CHOCOLATE! | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | nestle aero | 00:03 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:03 |
| * lbt has a daim bar for later | 00:04 | |
| CosmoHill | dude that are awesome | 00:04 |
| lbt | which is what finns call Dime bars :) | 00:04 |
| html | getoo? whats that ? | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | do they cost a dime? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | lbt, is it possible to run over lfs | 00:04 |
| lcuk | but using meego components? | 00:04 |
| lbt | hint or tip.... don't browse the chocolate shops at an airport when you're early and hungry | 00:04 |
| lbt | lcuk: let me know... | 00:05 |
| flailingmonkey | I want to make a project on build.pub.meego.com which branchs off a project in build.meego.com, namely devel:kernel:kernel-adaptation-pinetrail. the build.pub.meego.com web interface does not find that project :/ | 00:05 |
| gastal | html: gentoo is a distro, see gentoo.org] | 00:05 |
| gastal | ops, no | 00:05 |
| lbt | no... flailingmonkey ... you have to use .... the keyboard! | 00:05 |
| gastal | ops, no ] | 00:05 |
| * lbt ducks | 00:05 | |
| flailingmonkey | this is because I want to enable i2c-dev and i2c-i801 in kernel config | 00:06 |
| lbt | seriously though ... just find the project/package on main obs | 00:06 |
| html | gastal, is it netbook-friendly | 00:06 |
| lbt | cut and type : MeeGo.com:<ctrl-v> | 00:06 |
| lcuk | lbt if it can use meego components, i can discuss it here you see :P | 00:06 |
| lbt | lcuk: you could easily do MFS | 00:07 |
| lcuk | and perhaps get others interested in building stuff | 00:07 |
| lbt | just extract the source and patches | 00:07 |
| lcuk | lbt, using the .ks builder tool thingie | 00:07 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: yell if you get stuck doing that | 00:07 |
| lbt | lcuk: nah | 00:07 |
| lbt | .ks needs packages.... | 00:07 |
| gastal | html: I don't know what you mean by netbook-friendly, there is no default UI, pretty much every DE in existence is supported.... | 00:07 |
| lbt | LFS is "make install"-land | 00:07 |
| lcuk | lbt, original liqbase | 00:08 |
| lcuk | i built it on the device it was using | 00:08 |
| html | de means? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | had problems sharing that knowledge | 00:08 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt: i will of course. where did you mean for me to "cut and type" into? | 00:08 |
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| gastal | desktop environment, KDE, gnome, xfce, lxde, etc | 00:08 |
| lbt | mmm when you 'add repository' | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | gastal, just being able to run every DE is not a benefit - having a good solid supported environment matters more to majority | 00:08 |
| lbt | there's an advanced link - sounds like you were using it already | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | fyi my server has been running LFS since 2008 | 00:09 |
| lcuk | gastal, did you see this: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 00:09 |
| gastal | lcuk: to me(as a gentoo user) it matters a great deal to have near-absolute control over my system | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | regarding supporting the other meego uxes from one build | 00:09 |
| lcuk | gastal, of course | 00:09 |
| lcuk | gastal, do you expect gentoo to be ready for the masses? | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | for future reference: CLFS is #cross-lfs on this server and LFS is #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org | 00:10 |
| gastal | people always talk about that, but I don't think that means much, my parents and friends can't use windows or ubuntu without help either | 00:11 |
| lcuk | gastal, sure | 00:11 |
| gastal | lcuk: do it's absolutely true that gentoo is a lot more work than those | 00:11 |
| * CosmoHill gets paid to do simple things for non-computer people | 00:11 | |
| * gastal too | 00:11 | |
| lcuk | but good thing about windows is that lots of people are proficient at curing it | 00:11 |
| gastal | which is what I wish was true also of linux, =) | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | gastal, indeed | 00:13 |
| gastal | then again, I've been using linux for long enough that trying to use windows makes my head hurt | 00:13 |
| lcuk | meego is reasonably simple to keep ontop of | 00:13 |
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| gastal | from what little experience I've got with it, it seems pretty easy to use. | 00:15 |
| * CosmoHill uses Fedora $CURRENT_VERSION, Win7, OS X 10.5 Leopard and Windows HPC 2008 | 00:15 | |
| gastal | wow, that corageous..... | 00:15 |
| gastal | I've got a win7 install on my notebook for the rare ocassion in which I want to game, but I haven't booted in months | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | I came in today to find that someone had tested the eletrical safety of my HPC | 00:16 |
| flailingmonkey | meego OBS has so many similar projects which has me so confused :/ | 00:16 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: you are not alone... one day I need to fiure out and write up which ones to use... | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: "there is already a package X, do you wish to continue in making your own version?" | 00:17 |
| lbt | ? | 00:17 |
| flailingmonkey | between devel, Trunk, Meego, etc | 00:17 |
| flailingmonkey | it isn't so much that people made their own version | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | I mean the OBS will warn people who are creating new packages which are already in the OBS | 00:18 |
| flailingmonkey | its an integration level issue | 00:18 |
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| CosmoHill | flailingmonkey: ah, you don't know how well they've been made | 00:18 |
| flailingmonkey | it's hard to know which version is "above" another | 00:18 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: different and difficult problem... I mentioned it a while back... namespaces will bite MeeGo soon | 00:18 |
| * lbt has popcorn ready | 00:18 | |
| flailingmonkey | i haven't seen any 1.3 builds working, but people do mention it on the mailing list | 00:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | has there been any announcements on the meego tablet device program? | 00:21 |
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| lbt | TSCHAKeee: I've only seen that it's closed | 00:24 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt: i totally missed the "add repository" requirement for this to work when i tried earlier | 00:27 |
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| lbt | flailingmonkey: OK - did that sort it for you ? | 00:31 |
| deselby | Please excuse my cross-posting. Is it possible to replace in terms of functionality a notebook with some smatphone running meego or similar? | 00:33 |
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| flailingmonkey | lbt: unfortunately no, but I am still poking around a bit longer | 00:38 |
| deselby | my needs are: emacs, org-mode, ssh, vcs, various GNU utilities, wifi | 00:38 |
| lbt | deselby: yes but | 00:38 |
| deselby | lbt: but? | 00:39 |
| lbt | an N900 (which does everything you want) has too small a screen/keyb to make emacs nice :( | 00:39 |
| deselby | lbt: oh, i will compromise on that | 00:39 |
| * lbt wants someone ..... to do mobile-org-mode in Qt/QML | 00:40 | |
| lbt | which may be the better answer | 00:40 |
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| lbt | flailingmonkey: OK ... lessee ... url to your home/proj | 00:41 |
| deselby | lbt: besides emacs, will i be able to cross-compile software in my pc? | 00:41 |
| flailingmonkey | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Aflailingmonkey%3Aexopc | 00:41 |
| lbt | deselby: yes... more easily if it's debian/ubuntu/fedora ... no clue for windows | 00:42 |
| lbt | and the OBS has a webui too | 00:42 |
| flailingmonkey | perhaps i haven't explained what I want to do well | 00:42 |
| flailingmonkey | isn't that the webui? | 00:42 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: was talking to deselby about cross-compiling ... using the webui | 00:43 |
| flailingmonkey | ohh yes | 00:43 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: url for the core meego target project | 00:43 |
| flailingmonkey | i originally was looking at the one in devel:kernel, but I think this might be better? http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-pinetrail&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss | 00:44 |
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| deselby | lbt: is gcc supported? I have some money to spend and i am considering to purchase a n900 (or n9) instead of a notebook. is there any cons besides the display and keyboard size? | 00:47 |
| flailingmonkey | deselby: everything is built with gcc | 00:47 |
| deselby | flailingmonkey: :) | 00:48 |
| flailingmonkey | intel has this AppUp SDK for MeeGo which also includes their compilers free, and some optimization and tuning products too | 00:49 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Aflailingmonkey%3Aexopc | 00:51 |
| lbt | I just added the stock MeeGo:1.2 build target (since that's what MeeGo:1.2:oss essentially is) | 00:52 |
| flailingmonkey | so did that require someone with an account on the core OBS, or just command line stuff | 00:52 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, that's the one i'd be using too | 00:52 |
| lbt | no.. just clicking the right buttons :) | 00:52 |
| flailingmonkey | really? damn... any explanation of that would be super helpful | 00:53 |
| lbt | I just happen to be admin which is how I can hack on your proj :) | 00:53 |
| flailingmonkey | yup yup | 00:54 |
| lbt | when you build a pkg you need to get some build dependencies (gcc, ncurses, -dev libs) | 00:54 |
| lbt | so the 'repo' or target is "where do I get the deps from" | 00:54 |
| lbt | so if you get deps from MeeGo:1.2 you build a MeeGo pkg... get them from Suse:11.4 and you build a suse pkg | 00:54 |
| lbt | so 'add repository' lets you pick | 00:55 |
| lbt | go here : https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Aflailingmonkey%3Aexopc | 00:55 |
| flailingmonkey | mhm | 00:55 |
| lbt | click add repo | 00:55 |
| lbt | and you see which I picked for you | 00:55 |
| flailingmonkey | I actually had added the MeeGo 1.2 repo from that check box | 00:56 |
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| lbt | so that shoulda worked | 00:56 |
| flailingmonkey | but then didn't know how to get the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail package i was looking for | 00:56 |
| flailingmonkey | i was trying to use the | 00:56 |
| flailingmonkey | "Create new package based on existing package" link | 00:56 |
| lbt | ah | 00:56 |
| lbt | yeah that's a seperate task | 00:57 |
| lbt | that is about getting a copy of the source | 00:57 |
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| flailingmonkey | and I thought that I was messing up the repository step, which was why I undid the repo selection | 00:57 |
| lbt | which, incidentally, is likely to be built against MeeGo:current | 00:57 |
| lbt | but should work for 1.2 | 00:57 |
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| lbt | but beware... they may have removed/disabled config options that were needed | 00:58 |
| * lbt doesn't track the kernel | 00:58 | |
| flailingmonkey | understood | 00:59 |
| flailingmonkey | so did you just go to the target package page, "checkout" a copy of the source and commit it as a new package? | 01:00 |
| lbt | no ... you appeared to have done that | 01:00 |
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| flailingmonkey | or did you do that step using the webui as well | 01:00 |
| flailingmonkey | ... | 01:00 |
| lbt | I did: osc -A cobs branch MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2:oss kernel-adaptation-pinetrail home:flailingmonkey:exopc kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-lbt | 01:00 |
| lbt | then deleted it :) | 01:01 |
| lbt | deselby: do some research ... make sure you know what you're getting. N9 has no keyb and will be hell for emacs. Probably not possible | 01:01 |
| lbt | N900 is cool but has a small keyb and is now fairly old tech. I love mine though :) | 01:01 |
| flailingmonkey | if you didn't do it, i have no idea how i have the package building then =P | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I just wish they'd ship the n950. | 01:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | (to more than a few hundred lucky people) | 01:02 |
| flailingmonkey | I think they could do an n950 refresh | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 01:02 |
| lbt | the N950 is lovely HW but not so hot on the SW at the moment | 01:02 |
| lbt | just a dev board really | 01:03 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: I didn't think I put the pkg there | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: The image that's been shipped to devs is old. And won't be updated till the n9 hits | 01:03 |
| flailingmonkey | it's been long enough since the original n950 design, that they could probably fit in the next generation components | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N950 hw seems to have some really severe bugs | 01:03 |
| lbt | SpeedEvil: I guessed | 01:03 |
| flailingmonkey | well, the package is kernel-adaptation-pinetrail, no -lbt trailing | 01:03 |
| lbt | no, I deleted that one | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | The openness of the n9 is really questionable too. | 01:03 |
| deselby | lbt: thanks, will the n900 be supported by meego in the long term? | 01:03 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt: exactly. i have no explanations lol | 01:03 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/source_history?package=kernel-adaptation-pinetrail&project=home%3Aflailingmonkey%3Aexopc | 01:04 |
| lbt | 'twas I | 01:04 |
| deselby | i just saw a cheap used n900 for sale near my town | 01:04 |
| lbt | odd ... | 01:04 |
| flailingmonkey | indeed it appears so | 01:04 |
| lbt | deselby: the N900 is likely to have a long OSS life ahead of it | 01:04 |
| flailingmonkey | but you say I should be able to just use that osc command to perform the same thing | 01:05 |
| lbt | deselby: the main issue is likely to be usb socket failure | 01:05 |
| lbt | flailingmonkey: yes | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug#1: bootstrap problem on flat battery. .E. user will need to consult service to recover from depleted bat. Bug#2: poor GSM sensitivity. Both bugs not 100% confirmed yet, but likely | 01:05 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot | 01:05 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2 nor, Medium, 1.1, xinyun.liu, VERI WONTFIX, DirectFB sample dfbtest_window &df_dok error | 01:05 |
| lbt | hehehe | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Diddn't someone try it from an actually flat battery? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and failed | 01:06 |
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| flailingmonkey | i do wonder when I might run meego as my primary notebook/desktop OS as well... | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | i do already | 01:12 |
| flailingmonkey | do you use KDE for DE? or something else | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and I'm going to try it now, dunno why... | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, I use meego netbook edition | 01:14 |
| lcuk | on my lenovo ideapad | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | for the few bugs it has, it does most of what I need | 01:14 |
| * lcuk really wishes bug 440 was fixed | 01:15 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, VERI WONTFIX, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 01:15 |
| flailingmonkey | what do you use for word processing or spreadsheets | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, text documents when I need to write stuff | 01:15 |
| lcuk | always have been most compatible :) | 01:16 |
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| flailingmonkey | i'm still in university, have to turn in M$ document format stuff | 01:16 |
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| thiago | send them ODF | 01:16 |
| lcuk | having to create formatted documents is not something I use the ideapad for | 01:16 |
| deselby | Thanks for your comments. One more question. This used n900 which i'd like to buy comes with maemo 5. What will I need to update the OS? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | i have a big keyboard nearby | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | when i was at university we had to hand in paper documents | 01:16 |
| thiago | or at least a PDF | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | they didn't care what program you made them in | 01:16 |
| lcuk | thiago, the question was about editing | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | not the file format | 01:17 |
| lcuk | I have heard people having openoffice on | 01:17 |
| thiago | if people need to edit my files, they'll install an ODF-capable program | 01:17 |
| lcuk | but not a default simple way | 01:17 |
| thiago | MS Office can open them too | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | we had to hand in paper documents and in 2010 it became a requirement to submit a digital copy with the paper copy | 01:17 |
| lcuk | thiago, not the issue | 01:17 |
| thiago | for handing in assignments, PDF is fine | 01:17 |
| lcuk | what apps on meego are available for editing such | 01:18 |
| lcuk | is the question | 01:18 |
| lbt | deselby: nothing much, you'll want to dual boot meego though ... check #maemo and checkout maemo.org ... especially the wiki | 01:18 |
| arfoll | lcuk, i put libreoffice on my netbook | 01:18 |
| arfoll | on the wiki there are quite good intructions | 01:18 |
| lcuk | arfoll, could anybody | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | *easily* | 01:18 |
| lcuk | do you have a link | 01:18 |
| arfoll | lcuk, http://wiki.meego.com/LibreOffice | 01:19 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt: in your osc command you use cobs, i assume that is usually the url for the core OBS? just http://build.meego.com ? | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | the todo on libreoffice and java both say todo bring into official or cobs | 01:20 |
| lcuk | hm | 01:21 |
| lbt | oh, -A allows you to specify aliases ... cobs is my alias for community OBS | 01:21 |
| flailingmonkey | oh community OBS | 01:21 |
| lcuk | arfoll, does it work well? | 01:21 |
| flailingmonkey | sounds useful, where would I define such an alias, and is the URL simply the domain name | 01:21 |
| lbt | -A meego for core... -A suse, -A maemo, -A nokia, -A .... | 01:21 |
| lbt | ~/.oscrc | 01:22 |
| arfoll | lcuk, its ok, menus are a bit big, but my gf used it to write a 3k word essay | 01:22 |
| flailingmonkey | this looks relevent: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1 | 01:22 |
| flailingmonkey | :) | 01:22 |
| lbt | yep | 01:22 |
| lcuk | arfoll, reasonable enough | 01:22 |
| arfoll | i find the icons/menus too large on the netbook, but i guess that must be configurable | 01:22 |
| ali1234 | honestly, how many people actually write letters and make spreadsheets? | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | unless you are a student or at work | 01:23 |
| flailingmonkey | ... | 01:23 |
| lcuk | arfoll, it is non trivial to get it installed! | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | but meego isn't made for that | 01:23 |
| arfoll | lcuk, i never said it was easy... | 01:23 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i spent much of the weekend doing both | 01:24 |
| lcuk | it is a task computers can do | 01:24 |
| lcuk | and expected to have an app to do it? | 01:24 |
| ali1234 | well, wouldn't you be doing it in liqbase? | 01:24 |
| lcuk | arfoll, lol | 01:24 |
| lcuk | who said I wasn't? | 01:24 |
| ali1234 | that's not really the same thing as word processing | 01:24 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110613_221639.codebox.scr.png | 01:24 |
| lcuk | ;) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | don't be too sure :P | 01:25 |
| ali1234 | oh, i'm absolutely positive | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | I synced my phone and now I'm using it as a mouse, go figure | 01:25 |
| lcuk | ali1234, a word processor needs a good character level editor | 01:26 |
| lbt | ali1234: letters + spreadsheets? not everyday but regularly, sure. | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | if you absolutely have to do "office" functions on meego there is always google docs | 01:26 |
| lcuk | that screenshot is the first part of such a thing | 01:26 |
| lcuk | ali1234, no, libreoffice is there | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | and honestly services like that are where i see most people ending up within 5 years | 01:26 |
| lcuk | but my assignment is due at end of the week | 01:26 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, install libreoffice | 01:27 |
| ali1234 | anyway, a straw poll of this channel kind of misses the point | 01:27 |
| ali1234 | i mean, how many of you check your facebook accounts on a regular basis? | 01:27 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: I figured it would be the app to use, but I was more curious than in need :p | 01:27 |
| lbt | ali1234: depends if you want sheep or shapers ;) | 01:27 |
| * lcuk shall try and install it | 01:28 | |
| ali1234 | again, that misses the point | 01:28 |
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| ali1234 | meego is not being designed for people who are productive | 01:28 |
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| ali1234 | unless you count photography | 01:29 |
| lbt | ali1234: and that's a problem | 01:29 |
| lcuk | ali1234, what productive apps are there for tablets? | 01:29 |
| lbt | I want to see my spreadsheet when I get to the local amateur dramatics club (or whatever) | 01:29 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: i dunno, there must be some paint programs | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | my doodles are not paint but yeah, tuxpaint is on the repositories and mypaint is afaik somewhere | 01:30 |
| lcuk | i tihnk | 01:30 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: but largely all "mobile apps" are just webpages/rss feeds rerendered as kinetic scrollers for easy touchscreen consumption | 01:30 |
| lcuk | content consumption vs content creation | 01:31 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:31 | |
| ali1234 | and this is not necessarily a bad thing | 01:31 |
| lcuk | i want my n900/handheld to be one part of my computer | 01:31 |
| lcuk | the tablet/slate to be another | 01:31 |
| ali1234 | it allows us to keep the work on one place, and the distracting facebook stuff in another | 01:31 |
| lcuk | and my desktop/wall unit to be another | 01:31 |
| lcuk | but have them working together | 01:31 |
| lcuk | take photo with n900 | 01:32 |
| lcuk | manipulate it on tablet | 01:32 |
| lcuk | print it from wallmount | 01:32 |
| lcuk | etc | 01:32 |
| ali1234 | i was saying the other day that i've already got to the point where if i want to check my email, i just pick up my phone rather than opening a browser windows | 01:32 |
| ali1234 | because it's just easier, and i don't have to interrupt what i'm doing | 01:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't want everything splattered all over everywhere | 01:33 |
| ali1234 | i want to sort things | 01:33 |
| ali1234 | put them in boxes, keep them separate | 01:33 |
| lcuk | but we live in a connected world | 01:33 |
| ali1234 | most people don't, actually | 01:33 |
| lcuk | remove phones and internet | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | but you're still missing the point | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | which is that people want appliances that are designed for specific tasks, not 5 different sizes of the same multitool | 01:34 |
| lcuk | well millions of people seem to enjoy buying multitools | 01:35 |
| lcuk | but, smoke time | 01:36 |
| ali1234 | a multitool is a handy thing to have | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | but i don't need 5 of them | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | and sometimes, i need real tools | 01:37 |
| flailingmonkey | who is this guy named "people" you keep talking about? :p | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | the people who buy apple products :) | 01:38 |
| flailingmonkey | he seems to agree with you all the time | 01:38 |
| ali1234 | and anyone who doesn't own a smartphone | 01:38 |
| arfoll | damn i guess most of us here aren't people | 01:39 |
| flailingmonkey | you don't think iPhone users would love being able to open up and view word and excel files from their e-mail? | 01:39 |
| ali1234 | 90% of them? no, not at all | 01:40 |
| ali1234 | especially not excel files | 01:40 |
| flailingmonkey | i think you have believed the marketing hype about what a "typical iPhone user" is like | 01:41 |
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| ali1234 | and i think you are falling into the trap of believing everyone uses technology in the exact same way you do... | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | (fyi there's quiet a few hugs in #lfs-support and a few knifes in #cross-lfs...oh wait the ops are on hoilday) | 01:42 |
| flailingmonkey | not the way I do, the way that my parents do, and their coworkers | 01:42 |
| ali1234 | lol, my parents have barely understood the idea of email attachments | 01:42 |
| flailingmonkey | people who work for a living | 01:42 |
| ali1234 | you mean, "people who work for a living in white collar office jobs" | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | my mum is an online gamer | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't confirm any battery-deep-discharge bug yet, on N950 | 01:43 |
| flailingmonkey | i suppose most people use iPhones to go on facebook and play games, but that's also about the limits of what people are able to do with them at the moment | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | and I mean properly games, not bejeweled or something | 01:43 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, my mum does | 01:44 |
| lcuk | she has uber graphics card | 01:44 |
| lcuk | and plays loads of different high spec titles | 01:44 |
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| berndhs | there actually _are_ adults that use computers, believe it or not :) | 01:45 |
| flailingmonkey | mhm | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45992&page=2&highlight=mum | 01:46 |
| flailingmonkey | i guess the issue is that once you start being able to access and handle your e-mails on a device, you want to do all the things related to those e-mails | 01:46 |
| lcuk | lol CosmoHill | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | we replaced the network card with a linksys router that acts as a bridge but other than that it's unchanged | 01:49 |
| ali1234 | how did you get the router to fit into the PCI slot? | 01:50 |
| lcuk | sweet | 01:50 |
| lcuk | i have the slowest computer in the house | 01:50 |
| lcuk | tracys old sims machine has fastest | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | I used to have the slowest which was a 2.8Ghz P4 but I now have a 2.4Ghz C2Q :D | 01:50 |
| lcuk | i was still running a 1.4tbird until just a few years ago | 01:51 |
| lcuk | now IDK what I have lol | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | my mate has a dual 1.4 P3 | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | actually he mind have gotten ride of it with the getting married and the moving house | 01:52 |
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| berndhs | i dont have the fastest computer, but I have the most OSs :) | 01:57 |
| html | how many is that? | 01:57 |
| berndhs | uhm, lemme see | 01:57 |
| berndhs | 5 or so, depends on how you count them | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | do distros count as seperate Oses? | 01:58 |
| berndhs | yes if they are different enough | 01:58 |
| html | im shotting for the top 50, i got 15 | 01:59 |
| berndhs | meego counts as seperate from fedora or ubuntu | 01:59 |
| html | i had 30ish at one time | 01:59 |
| berndhs | yeah life with a single OS is dull and meaningless :) | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | I have, BSL (mine), Fedora, Win7, OS X Leopard and Win HPC2008 at uni | 01:59 |
| lcuk | berndhs, i have 6 in front of me now | 01:59 |
| lcuk | meego_netbook/meego_n900-ce/maemo/harmattan/windows/ubuntu | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | html & berndhs: and how many women (or guys) do you have? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | and gosh darn it, they should all be operating together! | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | :p | 02:00 |
| berndhs | you mean at the same time ? | 02:00 |
| html | what do you mean? | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | trying to imply in a joking way that a person with many OSes would probably be single | 02:01 |
| lcuk | berndhs, picing up my ideapad to carry on reading a book i started on my n900 | 02:01 |
| lcuk | almost CosmoHill | 02:01 |
| lcuk | married people need hobbies ;) | 02:01 |
| html | that would be me , but i got i gf | 02:01 |
| html | :P | 02:01 |
| berndhs | actually, now that i think of it, I only have one computer that is single-OS | 02:01 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: not for long | 02:02 |
| berndhs | the rest are all dual or triple boot | 02:02 |
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| berndhs | well, the single boot machine has a VM on it, so that's ok | 02:02 |
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| CosmoHill | just remembered that my desktop also has CLFS dev builds | 02:04 |
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| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: hello from old england :p | 02:05 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt: urg. i can't get my osc configured to work. keep getting "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized" | 02:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | hello | 02:05 |
| html | wel i have them ready just it case i dont have the internet, or the time to download them for an inpatince windows user(snobby nosed) | 02:05 |
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| ali1234 | flailingmonkey: make sure you are using the right api url | 02:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | whoops | 02:05 |
| flailingmonkey | i was working from http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1 | 02:06 |
| flailingmonkey | but that could be the api url for the core OBS... which I obviously don't have access to | 02:06 |
| html | and when there windows get a virses i can boost liux:P | 02:06 |
| ali1234 | flailingmonkey: well for you, it should be https://api.pub.meego.com | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, affirmative | 02:08 |
| lcuk | try the api.pub.meego.com | 02:08 |
| flailingmonkey | i did, still getting the error 401 | 02:09 |
| ali1234 | do you actually have an account? | 02:10 |
| ali1234 | can you log in to build.pub.meego.com? | 02:10 |
| flailingmonkey | yea | 02:10 |
| flailingmonkey | i have a project and stuff already there | 02:11 |
| berndhs | harmattan on n950 doesn't do ipv6, bastards | 02:11 |
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| ali1234 | flailingmonkey: delete ~/.oscrc and start again? osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com co <your home project> | 02:12 |
| ali1234 | that will set up the .oscrc automatically | 02:12 |
| ali1234 | from then on you won't need -A unless you use multiple OBS | 02:13 |
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| flailingmonkey | since I don't have access to any other OBS, not a problem for me | 02:15 |
| flailingmonkey | working now | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | opensuse also has a public OBS | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | don't know of any others | 02:16 |
| ali1234 | you can set up your own if you are crazy :) | 02:16 |
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| flailingmonkey | apparently the version of osc i am using now keeps your password encrypted | 02:16 |
| berndhs | the opensuse one is really useful | 02:17 |
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| flailingmonkey | and you need to specify "plaintext_passwd=1" otherwise | 02:17 |
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| baptx | test | 02:17 |
| flailingmonkey | which would mean my plaintext password in the config file was being decrypted, turning it into gibberish | 02:17 |
| ali1234 | makes sense | 02:18 |
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| flailingmonkey | lbt: i successfully branched the package with osc, huzzah | 02:52 |
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| zoujieorg1 | is there anyone who use totem in meego? | 04:19 |
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| zoujieorg1 | I need help for install totem codecs in meego....I have downloade gstreamercodecs gst-plugins-base,gst-ffmepge ,,but can't compile....,error msg:liboil not found && gstreamer not found ;but I do install them before ... | 04:24 |
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| flailingmonkey | when compiling you need to install the packages that end in -dev or -devel | 04:44 |
| flailingmonkey | these packages have the headers necessary for compiles of stuff like plugins | 04:44 |
| flailingmonkey | so when it says "gstreamer not found" it doesn't mean the gstreamer binaries, but its headers. | 04:45 |
| flailingmonkey | which are in the package: gstreamer-devel | 04:45 |
| flailingmonkey | and for the other one you would need to install liboil-devel too | 04:46 |
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| zoujieorg1 | flailingmonkey:thanks very much... | 04:58 |
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| flailingmonkey | no problem | 04:59 |
| flailingmonkey | zypper is very useful, i found those packages using 'zypper search gstreamer' and 'zypper search oil' | 04:59 |
| zoujieorg1 | I have search gstreamer downloade page,but can't find any files or folder name'd gstreamer-devel | 05:00 |
| zoujieorg1 | OK,,I will have a try... | 05:00 |
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| zoujieorg1 | flailingmokey:I user zypper search,,,Install liboil-devel & gstreamer-devel and now ./configure is OK now, thanks | 05:09 |
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| flailingmonkey | great :) | 05:17 |
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| zoujieorg1 | .... | 06:11 |
| zoujieorg1 | I have install gsteamer-plugins-base,but can't play avi,rmvd,rm, video files also...who can help me,,,Is there anyone who use totem to play avi rmvb rm? | 06:13 |
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| Bostik | morning | 07:19 |
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| flailingmonkey | what does meego use to manage "services" or daemons | 07:24 |
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| flailingmonkey | i am trying to adapt a package which uses upstart to run on a meego system | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | flailingmonkey: sysvinit in 1.2, 1.3 has systemd | 07:24 |
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| flailingmonkey | Stskeeps: so I will make a relevant init file for 1.2, and worry about systemd when 1.3 when tablet images start getting built | 07:27 |
| flailingmonkey | i'm working on getting the Chrontel chip in the EXOPC tablet working to do HDMI output | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | i think arfoll worked on that? | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15637 | 07:29 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug 15637 nor, Medium, ---, peng.li, NEW, [EXOPC] Unable to connect HDMI | 07:29 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, I've been chatting with arfoll a bit on various EXOPC support things | 07:30 |
| flailingmonkey | oho! it's been updated just yesterday | 07:30 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:31 |
| flailingmonkey | so he got it working with the WeTab code. I'm trying to get it work using the actively maintained code from chrome os | 07:32 |
| flailingmonkey | actually its chromium os | 07:32 |
| flailingmonkey | the WeTab code looks like it took the chromium os code as well, but did some hacking on top of it to get it working with some sort of qt app | 07:34 |
| flailingmonkey | so I'll continue my own efforts too ;) | 07:34 |
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| Stskeeps | morn TSCHAKeee | 08:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | morning. ;) | 08:11 |
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| eluttine | hi! lost password for OBS. can anyone here help, or should i create a new bug requesting account reset? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | probably best to request a account reset | 10:26 |
| eluttine | Stskeeps: ok, thanks | 10:27 |
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| dm8tbr | eluttine: reset your MeeGo password, the OBS password should follow that after some-time(tm) | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | (if it's build.pub.meego.com, build.meego.com doesn't, afaik..) | 10:35 |
| dm8tbr | ah, yes my statement valid for COBS only | 10:35 |
| dm8tbr | core obs -> contact whoever is responsible, I'd guess ReleaseEngineering | 10:36 |
| eluttine | dm8tbr: thanks for info | 10:36 |
| dm8tbr | eluttine: so which obs? :) | 10:36 |
| eluttine | have been using build.meego.com | 10:37 |
| eluttine | but what is the difference? | 10:37 |
| dm8tbr | then it is most likely not linked to your meego.com account | 10:38 |
| dm8tbr | I do not know the process for that. Most of it seems to be secret or not documented at the moment. | 10:39 |
| dm8tbr | eluttine: contact the person you got your account from in the first place? | 10:40 |
| eluttine | dm8tbr: i created bug to reset or resent passwd. let's see if it works that way | 10:41 |
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| dm8tbr | eluttine: sounds like a good option | 10:42 |
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| flailingmonkey | so I have now found that one of the kernel modules relied upon by the chromiumos project's chrontel module has not yet been (or isn't fit to be) included upstream | 10:46 |
| flailingmonkey | well, the chrontel code isn't a kernel module, its all userspace | 10:46 |
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| dm8tbr | flailingmonkey: which module would that be? | 10:47 |
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| flailingmonkey | i guess later on i have to package the module's code up on its own | 10:47 |
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| flailingmonkey | dm8tbr: they load up a module named nm10_gpio | 10:47 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, a plain gpio driver it seems | 10:49 |
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| dm8tbr | is it possible to use OBS to compile a kernel module? I guess it should be if you pull in the kernel headers etc | 10:50 |
| flailingmonkey | yea thats what i am hoping | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: -devel package yes | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | not kernel-headers | 10:51 |
| flailingmonkey | i don't want to make a request of adding to the kernel a driver/module which didn't pass muster upstream | 10:51 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: *nod*, haven't done that stuff for a while | 10:51 |
| flailingmonkey | it looks like some others had written a more comprehensive GPIO driver that supported NM10's gpio stuff, but it didn't get accepted | 10:52 |
| flailingmonkey | it is only used to identify the i2c bus that the chrontel chip is on in a dynamic way | 10:52 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, have you seen what i've done with the chrontel pkg? | 11:01 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: yup, i'm glad to hear you got the wetab code working :) | 11:02 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, i dont get why you need the nm10_gpio to detect the chrontel card | 11:02 |
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| flailingmonkey | is there a repository where wetab stuff is getting maintained/developed? or do we just pull from their image | 11:03 |
| flailingmonkey | arfoll: i don't think i really need to. it's just part of the upstart script they wrote | 11:03 |
| arfoll | they have a bunch of src.rpm | 11:03 |
| flailingmonkey | i'm stepping through this script myself, and i was able to find the i2c device just fine without the nm10_gpio thing | 11:03 |
| arfoll | but basically the new chrontel pkg explained here https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15637 has a udev rule and a modfied start script | 11:04 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15637 nor, Medium, ---, peng.li, NEW, [EXOPC] Unable to connect HDMI | 11:04 |
| * RaymondL .. | 11:04 | |
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| flailingmonkey | found the wetab source packages over at http://update.tiitoo.com/source/packages/ | 11:05 |
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| arfoll | thats where i got the code from originally | 11:06 |
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| flailingmonkey | but i don't see one that says hdmi in it? | 11:06 |
| flailingmonkey | nvm | 11:06 |
| flailingmonkey | chrontel got it | 11:06 |
| arfoll | but have a look at the new chrontel pkg mentioned in that bug, if you have the i2c-i801 and i2c-dev it works straight away | 11:06 |
| arfoll | and there is a prebuilt kernel with those modules | 11:07 |
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| flailingmonkey | from looking at the source code, it is clear that they took code from chromiumos git, and then worked at it to make some qt app (i don't quite understand that part but, alright. some widget?) | 11:07 |
| flailingmonkey | whereas the chromiumos project has made a bunch of updates to the chrontel code | 11:07 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, yes they made the code into a c++ prj and then used qt to make an app to interface on dbus so the user can switch on and off the functionality using the UI | 11:08 |
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| arfoll | i started trying to backport some of the chrontel fixes but decided a one by one basis would be easier | 11:09 |
| flailingmonkey | yea, working through the c++ conversion with the fixes would be non-trivial | 11:10 |
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| flailingmonkey | that's why I'm just trying to see if I can get the chromiumos approach to work. i suppose i'm a bit of a masochist :p | 11:10 |
| arfoll | shouldnt be hard though you'll need to make makefiles or some kind of build system | 11:12 |
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| arfoll | i didnt really see all that many interesting fixes though | 11:13 |
| flailingmonkey | it's less about the fixes than being close to an "upstream" | 11:13 |
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| flailingmonkey | does the wetab package provide the UI to do the enabling/disabling of HDMI output? i wonder if there is even a time when you would have an hdmi cable plugged in when you didn't want to output, or want to output when cable isn't plugged in... | 11:14 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, no it doesnt. and i guess it is kinda pointless and could be all stripped out | 11:16 |
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| Bostik | flailingmonkey: I can easily come up with a scenario where I want the tablet to have display on while HDMI is plugged in *and* feeding data to an external display | 11:22 |
| flailingmonkey | oh darn | 11:22 |
| flailingmonkey | that nm10_gpio thing is actually needed it seems | 11:22 |
| arfoll | Bostik, currently thats how it works, display on tablet is on and so is hdmi display | 11:22 |
| flailingmonkey | Bostik: this is only about controlling whether HDMI output is on, not the tablet's display | 11:23 |
| * Stskeeps would want to disable the main screen at times too | 11:23 | |
| Bostik | ah | 11:23 |
| flailingmonkey | there are definitely times I wish I had a hardware lock switch like on N900 for EXOPC | 11:23 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, just dim the brightness and voila ;-) | 11:23 |
| Myrtti | main screen turn on | 11:24 |
| Myrtti | how are you gentlemen | 11:24 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 11:24 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, isn't nm10_gpio allready in the meego kernel? | 11:25 |
| flailingmonkey | you are on the way to destruction | 11:25 |
| flailingmonkey | arfoll: only place i found nm10_gpio is on git.chromium.org | 11:26 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, well then how does chrontel work without it? | 11:26 |
| flailingmonkey | support for NM10's primary functions doesn't look like it requires exposing the NM10 GPIO stuff | 11:27 |
| arfoll | i mean it can't be required if i can have chrontel running without it | 11:27 |
| flailingmonkey | arfoll: maybe wetab people built it into their code? no idea... :/ | 11:27 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, from a v.quick look it doesn't seem likely | 11:30 |
| flailingmonkey | it looks like the wetab version never uses gpio | 11:31 |
| flailingmonkey | back in may is when the chromiumos git has this commit: "Find I2C bus that could have CH7036 instead of guessing" | 11:34 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, yeah but what i did was use a udev rule to find the ch7036 and symlink it to /dev/hdmi | 11:34 |
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| arfoll | wetab code assumes it'll turn up on /dev/i2c-2 which is quite hackish | 11:35 |
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| flailingmonkey | the ch7036_monitor app takes in a device file from dev and a "GPIOFLAG" argument, which is expected to be a path like | 11:35 |
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| flailingmonkey | /sys/class/gpio/gpio207/value | 11:36 |
| flailingmonkey | do you have a path like that? i don't have a gpio directory under /sys/class | 11:36 |
| arfoll | i dont have the exo with me atm | 11:39 |
| flailingmonkey | no problem | 11:39 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, it doesnt look like nm10_gpio is from that commit : http://git.chromium.org/gitweb//?p=chromiumos/third_party/chrontel.git;a=commitdiff;h=963f2da4d32ee60ef1371fcb047352a2cbd2a4f3 | 11:40 |
| arfoll | basically they do exactly what my udev rule does | 11:41 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah you're right, the gpio stuff seems to have been earlier | 11:41 |
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| lcuk | where are the latest pinetrail images | 12:12 |
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| lcuk | hurrah obs is building my package | 12:21 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest-1.2/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 12:21 |
| flailingmonkey | that isn't Testing though | 12:22 |
| flailingmonkey | http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest-testing-1.2/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 12:22 |
| lcuk | thanks flailingmonkey that is ok | 12:22 |
| flailingmonkey | lol ok :p | 12:22 |
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| lcuk | i see your packages are going through obs too | 12:22 |
| lcuk | I see an exopc pproject | 12:23 |
| lcuk | what are you building? | 12:23 |
| flailingmonkey | trying to get a certain library to be added to the kernel adaptation, by enabling the correct kernel config stuff | 12:23 |
| flailingmonkey | it has been smooth up until this point :p | 12:23 |
| lcuk | good | 12:24 |
| lcuk | how are you finding obs? | 12:24 |
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| flailingmonkey | much more usable when actually learning to use osc instead of just the webui | 12:24 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, yes, the osc is good | 12:26 |
| lcuk | sometimes having the webui is good too | 12:26 |
| lcuk | especially for diagnostics | 12:26 |
| flailingmonkey | think i figured out the problem | 12:26 |
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| flailingmonkey | turning on a kernel config means you have to actually specify sub-configs as "not set" or they end up trying to be built as modules... or something | 12:27 |
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| flailingmonkey | another round of building! | 12:29 |
| flailingmonkey | it is going quick because only 3 of 21 build hosts are busy | 12:30 |
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| flailingmonkey | oh if i click the word "building" it has an auto-refreshed view of the build log | 12:31 |
| flailingmonkey | very very nice | 12:31 |
| lcuk | yeah flailingmonkey I am looking at building lq* stuff so that I can use them on meego-ce | 12:32 |
| lcuk | i have been bookreading with it and keep picking up my n900-ce and remembering it does not yet work through obs | 12:32 |
| flailingmonkey | i used to test out meego on my N900 | 12:32 |
| flailingmonkey | but the microUSB port is no longer working. still on the board, but it moves a bit. no charging and no data so no way to flash kernels :/ | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | flailingmonkey: got uboot installed? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | that's how i survive personally | 12:33 |
| flailingmonkey | I wasn't dual booting yet, I was just using flasher to load kernel temporarily and boot off microSD | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:34 |
| flailingmonkey | yep :/ | 12:35 |
| flailingmonkey | gotta open my N900 up at some point (if i can get the right torx screwdriver bits) and take a closer look | 12:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | flailingmonkey, there is another USB port accessable from the back side of N900 (solder pads only). I wonder if you could use those as a regular port just like that microUSB port | 12:37 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, you should be branching from devel:kernel:1.2 not MeeGo:1.2:oss | 12:40 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: yeah probably, but my changes are tiny. making a new branch when I (possibly) am ready to submit a change request won't be much difficulty | 12:41 |
| arfoll | i still dont understand why you need CONFIG_GENERIC_GPIO and CONFIG_GPIOLIB | 12:41 |
| flailingmonkey | i was having trouble figuring out how to do the branching, which lbt helped me out with | 12:42 |
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| flailingmonkey | oh, I think that the newer chrontel code uses the GPIO interfaces to handle more output resolutions and handle detection more smoothly | 12:43 |
| arfoll | ah thats cool | 12:43 |
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| flailingmonkey | arfoll: did you also notice the bug with io.h requiring xen.h but xen.h not being there? also an issue when trying to build crystalhd | 13:01 |
| thiago | io.h? that's a DOS thing... | 13:02 |
| flailingmonkey | from arch/x86/include/asm/io.h | 13:03 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey, no, which file includes io.h? | 13:03 |
| flailingmonkey | anyway, it's actually an upstream kernel bug. someone put an include at the top of the file instead of inside the ifdef that checked for CONFIG_XEN, so it was always included even when the relevant code wasn't being used | 13:04 |
| flailingmonkey | lol, you would have only seen it with crystalhd compile. it was nm10_gpio which included it *sigh* :p | 13:05 |
| flailingmonkey | more so, it was being included even though the kernel config was leaving out the particular header | 13:05 |
| arfoll | ah right, crystalhd compile was way to long ago for me to remember. and actually all i was interested in was getting the library headers so i could compile xbmc against it (so that it could be installed on wetab) | 13:05 |
| arfoll | at that time wetab werent kind enough to provide src.rpms | 13:05 |
| flailingmonkey | so nm10_gpio thing is now compiled | 13:05 |
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| flailingmonkey | ok thats it for tonight | 13:10 |
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| flailingmonkey | i still can't get a /sys/class/gpio directory lol | 13:11 |
| arfoll | guess you have to stay up a while longer then ;-) | 13:12 |
| flailingmonkey | *headdesk* | 13:13 |
| flailingmonkey | # CONFIG_GPIO_SYSFS is not set | 13:13 |
| the-boss | flailingmonkey: Error: "CONFIG_GPIO_SYSFS" is not a valid command. | 13:13 |
| flailingmonkey | CONFIG_GPIO_SYSFS is not set | 13:13 |
| flailingmonkey | well, time for another build :p | 13:13 |
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| slaine | God damn QtCreator | 13:30 |
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| slaine | qtcreator still segfaults on F15 for me with the -style windows cmdline | 13:38 |
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| Venemo_N950 | slaine, it has always been working for me, even the nightlies | 13:41 |
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| slaine | I'll try a yum reinstall | 13:45 |
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| radiofree | slaine: what output do you get? | 13:46 |
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| slaine | radiofree: Qml Designer: Log File is ….. | 13:46 |
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| slaine | removed qt-4.7.3 and all it's deps, reinstalling qt-creator now | 13:50 |
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| slaine | Venemo: is your F15 box x86-64 ? | 14:01 |
| Venemo | slaine, that's correct | 14:02 |
| slaine | Hmmm | 14:02 |
| slaine | weird | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Contributors | 14:08 |
| lcuk | a growing list! | 14:08 |
| lcuk | loads of folks involved :D | 14:08 |
| Venemo | very nice | 14:10 |
| Venemo | I hope there will be a usable release soon | 14:11 |
| Venemo | I regularly read their wikipage and get enthusiastic | 14:11 |
| Venemo | then I read the QA page, and I get sad again. | 14:11 |
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| marquiz | build.meego.com is down? | 14:21 |
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| X-Fade | marquiz: yes | 14:22 |
| flailingmonkey | it's getting down with the sickness | 14:22 |
| flailingmonkey | c'mon now, let's all get down with the sickness | 14:22 |
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| gabriel9 | are you disturbed? :) | 14:33 |
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| html | hi yall | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 14:46 |
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| berndhs | morning | 14:47 |
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| html | mmmm , yumie! i got the honey ! | 14:48 |
| iekku | :D | 14:48 |
| CosmoHill | my mum told me to use local honey in my tea before the hayfever starts | 14:49 |
| iekku | my mom has usually said to use local alcohol after flu has come.. | 14:49 |
| html | berndhs, no worries i made a feast for all, just set youyr own place at the table | 14:49 |
| arfoll | my mum told me not to accept food from irc | 14:49 |
| iekku | my mom has several times asked me to ask something from irc.. | 14:50 |
| berndhs | my dad told me rum and tea were good if you have the flu | 14:50 |
| berndhs | won't make you any better, but you won't care | 14:50 |
| html | rum speeds it up but tea keeps it at bay | 14:51 |
| iekku | berndhs, "it much more nicer to be sick if you are little bit drunked" said my mom | 14:51 |
| html | arfoll, lol , but you tke advice from us | 14:51 |
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| html | iekku, and how are you? | 14:52 |
| iekku | html, wondering if i'm going to have flu :P | 14:54 |
| iekku | html, how are you :) | 14:54 |
| html | 21 | 14:54 |
| CosmoHill | this conversation is become hard to follow | 14:54 |
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| iekku | CosmoHill, really :D | 14:55 |
| html | CosmoHill, its about food, and sickness | 14:55 |
| CosmoHill | where does 21 come from then? | 14:55 |
| iekku | html, what was the 21? | 14:55 |
| iekku | sick 21/100 ? | 14:56 |
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| flailingmonkey | gabriel9: ;) | 15:02 |
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| html | iekku, you asked my age | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | html: that's why it confused me, he didn't ask your age | 15:08 |
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| CosmoHill | nice to know tho | 15:08 |
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| iekku | html, no i didn't :D | 15:15 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, she by the way :P | 15:15 |
| CosmoHill | my bad | 15:15 |
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| zoujieorg | hi, | 15:39 |
| zoujieorg | is there anyone who use totem to play avi rmvb mepg and wma video files in meego? | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | zoujieorg, which meego are you talking about? I assume netbook? | 15:43 |
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| zoujieorg | yes... | 15:45 |
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| zoujieorg | netbook | 15:45 |
| zoujieorg | acer happy2 | 15:45 |
| zoujieorg | meego1.2 | 15:45 |
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| zoujieorg | yesterday,I also try mplayer ,,mplayer can play avi and rmvb ,,but no sound... | 15:47 |
| zoujieorg | so i want to try totem.... | 15:47 |
| dm8tbr | I'd guess installing the right gst-plugins-ugly/bad should help a lot? | 15:48 |
| zoujieorg | persionly..I like it,cause it's simple ... | 15:48 |
| zoujieorg | I just install gst-plugins-base | 15:48 |
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| zoujieorg | I also try to install gst-ffmegpe but fails...error msg: | 15:51 |
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| zoujieorg | configure: No package 'gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10' found | 15:52 |
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| zoujieorg | configure: error: no gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10 >= 0.10.31 (GStreamer Base Plugins) found | 15:52 |
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| zoujieorg | but I did have instold gstreamer-plugins-base | 15:52 |
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| dm8tbr | zoujieorg: it has to match the release you have | 15:53 |
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| zoujieorg | dm8tbr:do you mean,,,,gst-ffmegpe release should match gst-plugins-base? | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | Defining the requirements for a MeeGo-CE http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/10927 | 15:56 |
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| dm8tbr | zoujieorg: gst-plugin-ffmpeg or whatever the name of that package must be built for that particular meego release (1.2?) else it won't work | 15:56 |
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| zoujieorg | 哦，谢谢 | 16:02 |
| iekku | ok | 16:02 |
| zoujieorg | dm8thbr thanks a lot | 16:02 |
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| zoujieorg | dm8thbr : one more question ,do you mean I cant use gstreamer-plugins tarball ,only use "zypper " from meego repos? | 16:13 |
| zoujieorg | dm8thbr : I | 16:13 |
| zoujieorg | I'm not good at english | 16:13 |
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| dm8tbr | zoujieorg: you should be able to compile it yourself, my comment only pertains to binaries | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, what are you building? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | nothing atm | 16:35 |
| BogdanV | Hello everyone! Stskeeps, I've seen your name mentioned on the Tegra 2 page of the Wiki. If you don't mind, may I ask you some questions about flashing a Tegra 2 board with a MeeGo raw image ? | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | i don't, ask vgrade and co :) | 16:39 |
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| BogdanV | oh, sorry then. I'm not from the community, and since vgrade wasn't on, I thought you would be the next one to ask (as that's about the only other name I've found :)) ) | 16:41 |
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| arfoll | BogdanV, hey i've been working on tegra2/trimslice - what would u like to know? | 16:44 |
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| BogdanV | hi there! i was trying to find some up-to-date info on building and flashing a meego image to run on my xoom. i did manage to find a raw image on http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/tegra2/ which seems just what I need, but I was wondering how am I supposed to get the tablet to boot off the sdcard ? | 16:47 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, david, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 16:47 |
| arfoll | BogdanV, have a look here on how to boot on various android devices http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 16:49 |
| arfoll | i'm not sure about specifics of the xoom, using N1 it's fairly easy | 16:49 |
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| arfoll | but if you expect a nice UI and a gd product you're about to be seriously dissapointed | 16:49 |
| arfoll | the current tegra2 image for trimslice will most likely at least require you to rework the xorg.conf, i'm not sure of the comptability between tegra2 models | 16:50 |
| slaine | contemplating a xubuntu install on my ideapad | 16:50 |
| arfoll | slaine, why not just put xfce on it? | 16:51 |
| slaine | How does XFCE perform on 1024x600 | 16:51 |
| slaine | arfoll, I want something separate from MeeGo | 16:51 |
| lcuk | slaine, best way to know is to check | 16:51 |
| lcuk | and report back! | 16:51 |
| slaine | will do | 16:51 |
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| slaine | it's always fine until you hit that dialog that you can't press the buttons and go 'Gahhhh' | 16:51 |
| lcuk | lol | 16:52 |
| lcuk | yeah | 16:52 |
| arfoll | you realise you're on #meego? ;-) | 16:52 |
| lcuk | in times past, our UI had to be designed for 800*600 for this reason | 16:52 |
| slaine | arfoll: it's for meego dev | 16:52 |
| slaine | I can't get QtCreator to work on F15 | 16:52 |
| slaine | it keep segfaulting | 16:52 |
| arfoll | then use qt creator on meego | 16:52 |
| arfoll | works ok on my nc10 | 16:52 |
| slaine | I've found meego to be a poor dev env | 16:53 |
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| radiofree | slaine: what's the back trace? | 16:53 |
| slaine | I use it to dogfood | 16:53 |
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| slaine | radiofree: what was that codlin arg again, just to be sure I didn't mess it up | 16:53 |
| radiofree | ./qtcreator -style windows | 16:54 |
| radiofree | but to make sure it's actually doing anything, try -style motif | 16:54 |
| radiofree | you'll know if that worked.... | 16:54 |
| slaine | yeah, I'm doing it right, but it's not taking affect | 16:54 |
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| radiofree | check the menus | 16:55 |
| radiofree | they should look like the 1970's | 16:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | radiofree, why is that necessary? | 16:55 |
| radiofree | (with -style motif) | 16:55 |
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| radiofree | Venemo_N950: qt quick designer crashing when using the gtk theme | 16:55 |
| slaine | nod, yes, the style is changing, but the segfault is still present | 16:55 |
| BogdanV | thanks arfoll ! indeed, fastboot seems to be the way, and it seems to be quite a clean method. one last thing, if you don't mind (and sorry if it was asked a thousand times because I've heard all sorts of stories out there) : did nvidia really release meego compatible binaries for the graphics driver ? | 16:55 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhmmm | 16:56 |
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| radiofree | Venemo_N950: I had the same problem when i tried the designer, never looked for a fix though since i don't use qt creator | 16:57 |
| radiofree | but i know -style windows worked for me (and does now, segfault with gtk theme, fine with windows style) | 16:57 |
| arfoll | BogdanV, yes nvidia released hardfp drivers that are compatible with meego | 16:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | weird | 16:57 |
| radiofree | https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-15592 | 16:58 |
| arfoll | but the xoom has a Tegra 250 T20, i don't know if thats the same or if there are incompatibilites with the trimslice tegra | 16:58 |
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| dm8tbr | arfoll: there are hfp drivers for T2? interesting. haven't seen it mentioned in bug 17570 | 16:59 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc | 16:59 |
| arfoll | dm8tbr, they come from trimslice (from nvidia), and i'm not too sure on their reditributableness | 17:00 |
| dm8tbr | oic | 17:00 |
| arfoll | dm8tbr, they are in 'beta' at nvidia but work quite well : http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=851 | 17:01 |
| BogdanV | so, there are several variations on the 250 ? i thought it was the same board everywhere (with obvious differences between dev and production hw) | 17:02 |
| arfoll | i only know whats on wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra#Tegra_2_series | 17:02 |
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| arfoll | i guess since trimslice is at 1ghz it has to be AP20H or T20 tegra 250 | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning Alison_Chaiken | 17:04 |
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| BogdanV | well, I'll take the plunge anyway and return to tell you guys the news (that is, if anyone's interested on it) | 17:04 |
| arfoll | BogdanV, yes please do :-) | 17:04 |
| arfoll | BogdanV, you probably want to try with this image http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/trimslice/trimslice.img.bz2 | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: ping | 17:06 |
| arfoll | its far from perfect and will definately require some tweaking for you, but its the latest tegra2 build atm | 17:06 |
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| BogdanV | wow, thanks! i've spend the whole day fighting with dead links and old news, I never expected this | 17:08 |
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| arfoll | BogdanV, best news are from http://trimslice.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=43 and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Smart_TV_for_Trimslice | 17:11 |
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| html | BogdanV, what i s it? | 17:15 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta, Stskeeps. Good to see you back! | 17:18 |
| BogdanV | nothing, html. arfoll has helped me around and for the moment, i haven't met any problems | 17:18 |
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| html | ok good for you | 17:25 |
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| berndhs | hey I lost some money the other day, it looked exactly like the money you have now | 17:49 |
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| CosmoHill | what currency was it in? | 17:50 |
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| berndhs | it was numbers on pieces of paper, and in computer recors | 17:51 |
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| berndhs | s/recors/records/ | 17:51 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: it was numbers on pieces of paper, and in computer records | 17:51 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | OBS is back up! | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 19:14 |
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| berndhs | good news indeed | 19:15 |
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| vgrade_at_sea | arfoll: did you get the link? | 19:19 |
| lcuk | collaborative apps ahoy! | 19:20 |
| vgrade_at_sea | lcuk: \0 | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade_at_sea: where are you sailing? | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | vgrade_at_sea, \o | 19:21 |
| lcuk | ahoy indeed! | 19:21 |
| vgrade_at_sea | cadiz to lisbon currently | 19:21 |
| lcuk | vgrade_at_sea, if I can move this from a prototype | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade_at_sea: nice | 19:21 |
| lcuk | then that table full of meego devices you keep showing | 19:22 |
| lcuk | can all communicate and smile :) | 19:22 |
| vgrade_at_sea | Stskeeps: hi | 19:22 |
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| vgrade_at_sea | lcuk: noticed your RFC, will have a closer look when I'm back | 19:23 |
| vgrade_at_sea | Stskeeps: I've had a request for a MeeGo from nVidia Tegra Architect. Vincent. Have you taked to him | 19:24 |
| vgrade_at_sea | MeeGo Image | 19:26 |
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| vgrade_at_sea | dam web client | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | vgrade_at_sea, you are on a boat, it is understandable | 19:27 |
| vgrade_at_sea | at 65c an min I expect a good connection | 19:28 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:28 |
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| vgrade_at_sea | anyway must log off as if Janice finds me in the internet room I'm toast | 19:29 |
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| arfoll | vgrade_at_sea, no what link? | 19:31 |
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| arfoll | damn i hate being late to the party.... | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | looking at meego:1.2.0:oss package list.. damn there's a lot of crap/stuff | 19:38 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what is truly needed to get qt + qt mobility up | 19:38 | |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: how about a community proposal for a skinny MeeGo ... we could use a name that sounds MeeGo-ish but isn't trademarked. Maybe something smaller than MeeGo to indicate a slimmed down size? Me<something short...maybe even one letter> | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: MiniMe? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | :> | 19:53 |
| lbt | much too long | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but http://www.fondosni.com/bulkupload/fonaunstip/Peliculas/Goldmember/Minime_800.jpg | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 19:54 |
| arfoll | how about Mo | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: "Mer"? | 19:54 |
| lbt | \o/ | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: the thought really does pop up quite often by now :P | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | MeNO CARRIER | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | .. err | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that modem joke didn't work out | 19:56 |
| lbt | JFDI | 19:56 |
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| MOUD | Hey all | 20:49 |
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| MOUD | is there a way to dual boot maemo and meego without the use of a SD card? | 20:52 |
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| ali1234 | no | 20:53 |
| MOUD | ok, tks | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | well, maybe | 20:56 |
| MOUD | okay... | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | i mean it's probably possible, but you will have to figure out how to do most of it yourself | 20:57 |
| MOUD | i see | 20:57 |
| wmarone | mostly because the current installation process on the N900 eliminates the partition used for /home and /opt | 21:05 |
| gandhijee_ | ls | 21:05 |
| wmarone | so you'd need to fix the partitioning issue | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | OBS quiz: why is http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=gcc-cross&project=Trunk 'excluded' on both arm and x86? :) | 21:33 |
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| exception13 | all: | 21:49 |
| exception13 | is alive? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, not sure | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm actually a bit stumped myself :) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | has it been like that for a while | 21:51 |
| lcuk | the source files look aged | 21:51 |
| exception13 | ok. i have question. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | and what is it actually used for | 21:51 |
| lcuk | since I gather things like gcc proper will be in there building somewhere | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | not in use in builds, afaik | 21:52 |
| exception13 | i need bootstrap for armv7. mic-create-bootstrap not have arch param. it's use environment or something else | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | exception13: you use x86 as a bootstrap | 21:53 |
| exception13 | ? | 21:53 |
| exception13 | yes | 21:53 |
| exception13 | host x86 | 21:54 |
| exception13 | target armv7 | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | mic-create-bootstrap shouldn't be needed | 21:54 |
| exception13 | with mic-create-image i have trouble | 21:55 |
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| exception13 | http://pastebin.com/YyjExGBa | 21:56 |
| exception13 | look at this | 21:56 |
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| exception13 | maybe i fail in .ks | 21:57 |
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| exception13 | i need preconfigured userspace with preinstalled tablet ux without platform depend components (kernel, nonfree) | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | exception13, what previous .ks experience have you had | 22:07 |
| lcuk | ie, can you build the default images ok? | 22:08 |
| exception13 | i'm "fix" .ks for n900 | 22:08 |
| exception13 | remove any n900 depends | 22:08 |
| lcuk | but does the default n900 ks build is my question | 22:08 |
| lcuk | ie, is your system configured correctly to do what you need | 22:09 |
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| Venemo | hey lcuk | 22:10 |
| lcuk | hi Venemo \o | 22:10 |
| Venemo | lcuk, look how nice a pic joppu made for us: http://wiki.meego.com/File:Irc-chatter-n9.jpg | 22:10 |
| * SpeedEvil weeps at the beauty. | 22:11 | |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil :P | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil | 22:12 |
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| joppu | all that and still no dev device! :P | 22:13 |
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| exception13 | lcuk: try .ks for core n900 | 22:14 |
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| exception13 | "Problem count: 9" for default core .ks it's ok? | 22:15 |
| exception13 | promlem like "is not installable", "nothing provides" | 22:17 |
| lcuk | exception13, i don't know, I was asking whether your configuration was correct for the default one | 22:17 |
| lcuk | because that may be easier to diagnose than you adding extra ontop ;) | 22:17 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, could you please help me with something | 22:18 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I wanted to edit bit.ly/ircchatter to point to http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_Chatter instead of its current URL | 22:18 |
| Venemo | lcuk, but it didn't let me edit the url | 22:18 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, so I clicked "archive", and now it even hided it! | 22:19 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, how can I bring it back and edit it? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 22:19 |
| * lcuk is not bit.ly support | 22:19 | |
| Venemo | meh! | 22:20 |
| Venemo | "bitly links cannot be edited. They also do not expire and cannot be changed" | 22:20 |
| Venemo | f*** them. | 22:20 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable to me | 22:20 |
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| Venemo | well, I want my link to point to the new location of my stuff. | 22:21 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu moved it from User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter to plain IRC_Chatter | 22:21 |
| Venemo | meh. | 22:21 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: I can move it back if you want me to | 22:22 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, no, I don't want you to move back just because bitly is crap. | 22:23 |
| Venemo | the original URL will redirect to the new one anyway, so no problem with that. | 22:24 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: use is.gd? | 22:24 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, what's that? | 22:25 |
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| hiemanshu | Venemo: another url shortening service | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | if you shorten an already short url does the service implode? | 22:26 |
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| hiemanshu | lcuk: like inception? :P | 22:27 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: there is also j.mp :P | 22:27 |
| hiemanshu | which is run by bit.ly, so if you have an account you can do it, or I can | 22:27 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I tried to start http://f.yu// for the porn people, but it just didn't take off. | 22:31 |
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| Ulf^ | Stskeeps, did you solve the quiz yet? ;) | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Ulf^: nop, still stumped :) | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | that package is probably due for removal but the double 'excluded' baffles me | 22:40 |
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| exception13 | Error: failed to create image : Failed to find group 'MeeGo Compliance' : Unable to find pattern: MeeGo Compliance | 22:43 |
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| exception13 | minimal-compliance-armv7hl.ks | 22:43 |
| hoban | good day all. | 22:44 |
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| exception13 | hoban: | 22:44 |
| hoban | I remember seeing a video of meego running on the Nook Color a couple months ago, are instructions for doing so published anywhere? | 22:45 |
| hoban | I've seen http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Nook_Color | 22:45 |
| hoban | but it's fairly bare | 22:45 |
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| Ulf^ | Stskeeps, My best guess is that no other toolchain package requires gcc-cross, so OBS knows that it can exclude the package from building | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm, maybe | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's an odd one for sure :) | 23:25 |
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| Ulf^ | Oh no | 23:59 |
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