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| lcuk | Venemo, would the libirc thing you use be usable if you needed an alternative ux for meego | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | arfoll, :D | 00:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | lcuk, sure, it just needs to be packaged for meego | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i gather the latest source is https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter | 00:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | yeah, but my latest changes are not pushed yet | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N950, that is ok, will try it on the n900-ce tomorrow | 00:07 |
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| Venemo_N950 | lcuk, you can't unless you package libircclient-qt | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | sigh | 00:08 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N950, how are you using it then? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | it is qt isn't it? | 00:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | lcuk, it is packaged for harmattan. | 00:08 |
| lcuk | head-desk. | 00:08 |
| lcuk | antman8969, any chance of a meego package | 00:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | I think rzr might have packaged it in rpm too | 00:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | as for my own app, I can and will make an rpm | 00:09 |
| antman8969 | for venemo's irc chatter? | 00:09 |
| antman8969 | there you go lol | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | thiago: oh, ok, I'll try to fix this one first then :) | 00:10 |
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| gandhijee_ | hi, ,is there an updated guide to writing udev rules?? i can't get mine to work | 00:22 |
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| arfoll | lcuk, you that happy i'm following you? | 00:24 |
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| gandhijee_ | actually i got it to work =P | 00:30 |
| Venemo | :) | 00:30 |
| gandhijee_ | arfoll: so i have the hdmi stuff working, your service file worked, and i had to add a udev rule | 00:31 |
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| gandhijee_ | now i just need it to autostart | 00:33 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, cool | 00:40 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, what kernel are you using? | 00:44 |
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| gandhijee_ | a custom one | 00:45 |
| gandhijee_ | stock doesn't come compiled with i2c-i801 i don't think | 00:46 |
| arfoll | so your kernel isn't on obs? | 00:46 |
| gandhijee_ | nope | 00:46 |
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| arfoll | you mind making a patch to the changes in the startup script and passing the udev/dbus rules you added so i can put them in the pkg? | 00:48 |
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| gandhijee_ | sure, as soon as i get it all up i can pass it over | 00:48 |
| arfoll | cool | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | arfoll, happy you are working on the marine stuff | 00:51 |
| lcuk | and you are following me of course :P | 00:51 |
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| arfoll | i'm working? that's news to me | 00:52 |
| berndhs | i can't tell what these maltesers are doing | 00:53 |
| arfoll | berndhs, maybe i can help you understand | 00:53 |
| berndhs | yes perhaps | 00:53 |
| berndhs | they dont seem to be writing a lot of code | 00:54 |
| arfoll | berndhs, well there is some on github | 00:55 |
| berndhs | i saw that ues | 00:55 |
| berndhs | yes | 00:55 |
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| gandhijee_ | arfoll: you know if there is a daemon/start-stop-daemon package for meego 1.2.x? | 00:55 |
| berndhs | i'm not sure why anyone would write motor control stuff in java | 00:55 |
| gandhijee_ | berndhs: have you seen the buglabs stuff? | 00:56 |
| berndhs | probably not, i just looked on github for a few minutes | 00:56 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, not that i'm aware, i'm thinking a .desktop file would be better | 00:56 |
| arfoll | berndhs, and i would agree | 00:56 |
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| arfoll | the current concentration is currently all on getting the marssa architecture out | 00:57 |
| arfoll | by that i mean the documentation and technical aspect | 00:57 |
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| arfoll | not the implementation | 00:57 |
| arfoll | so basically coding is not the priority | 00:58 |
| berndhs | seems reasonable | 00:58 |
| berndhs | its just hard to tell what will be part of the project, and what is just specs for the world at large | 00:59 |
| arfoll | well the java implementation is basically for the test dinghy and as a reference | 01:00 |
| berndhs | right | 01:00 |
| berndhs | that's not the core effort though | 01:00 |
| arfoll | exactly | 01:00 |
| berndhs | autonomous vehicle would be cool, but it doesn't seem to be a big point | 01:00 |
| maour | I want to try MeeGo on N900 , which version do you recommend ? summer release or daily or weekly .. ? | 01:01 |
| arfoll | so far autonomous is not on the roadmap but it would be cool | 01:01 |
| arfoll | once motor control works nicely it could be implemented fairly easily | 01:02 |
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| berndhs | the java is going to screw up the motor control timing | 01:03 |
| arfoll | my exact words last week | 01:03 |
| maour | i'll use daily builds! | 01:04 |
| berndhs | i don't know if the optimist has a daggerboard, but that would help with steering :) | 01:05 |
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| arfoll | the whole propulsion is undergoing serious rethinking atm | 01:06 |
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| berndhs | just put in some JATOs, it will fly | 01:13 |
| arfoll | ja, i asked for an F35 as a test platform but i wasn't even taken seriously | 01:14 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, i've rebuilt the kernel from trunk with the i2c modules (was getting bored) | 01:24 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Ah thanks, arfoll. I'll have a look. | 01:26 |
| Alison_Chaiken | (I have all my vegetables now.) | 01:26 |
| arfoll | its on meego obs, so i can open a bug and try get the modules into the meego 1.3 kernel | 01:27 |
| arfoll | since intel distributed the exo they should be interested in having working hdmi... | 01:27 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Certainly i2c modules and HDMI are of general interest. | 01:29 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | It's in kernel-adaptation-pinetrail or in devel:kernel or MeeGo:1.2.0? | 01:35 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, damn i forgot to branch from devel:kernel http://build.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Abrendan%3Abranches%3ATrunk | 01:36 |
| arfoll | i'll fix it when i open the bug and everything works | 01:36 |
| arfoll | tablet ux has made gd progress | 01:37 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Is Tablet UX going to have official releases like Handset, IVI, TV, etc? | 01:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Like an official Tablet UX 1.3.0 shortly following MeeGo 1.3? | 01:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | (Claimer: I'm joining a new startup and have a new professional interest in the matter.) | 01:40 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, handset,ivi,tv have official releases? | 01:42 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I see that your new build says "Obsoletes: kernel-adaptation-pinetrail < 3.0", so I will use your new build as a basis instead of kernel-adaptation-pinetrail. | 01:43 |
| Alison_Chaiken | As far as "official releases," I meant that www.meego.com has 5 icons leading to dowload links, but not one for tablet. | 01:44 |
| arfoll | yeah looks like -pinetrail got demoted to -pc | 01:44 |
| arfoll | nicely noticed, that does seem a bit weird. considering its probaly the nicest ui there is | 01:45 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hey, I see "media phone" is a new addition to the front page. | 01:45 |
| arfoll | nah that's been there since the start | 01:45 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Yeah, tablet should definitely be on the front page. I have been wondering! | 01:45 |
| arfoll | btw my kernel seems to work and both modules load | 01:45 |
| Alison_Chaiken | -pc is odd instead of -atom. | 01:46 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Cool, does it have hid_egalax too? | 01:46 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, no idea whats hid_egalax for? | 01:47 |
| Alison_Chaiken | hid_egalax is the touchscreen that's on ExoPC. hid_egalax.ko is part of Tablet UX. | 01:48 |
| arfoll | well the touchscreen works, so i guess yes | 01:48 |
| pebcak | tablet ux is still a developer preview | 01:48 |
| pebcak | and at least the 1.2.0.90 are highly instable | 01:48 |
| pebcak | °unstable | 01:48 |
| Alison_Chaiken | pebcak, is tablet ux going to transition to "regular" for 1.3? | 01:49 |
| pebcak | Alison_Chaiken sorry, I don't know | 01:49 |
| pebcak | I wouldn't bet on it | 01:49 |
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| pebcak | as I said, it's still heavily developed | 01:49 |
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| pebcak | and I guess they also want appup and such stuff stable for a release | 01:50 |
| pebcak | it#s far from it | 01:50 |
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| arfoll | pebcak, yes but doesnt mean tablet shouldnt be on the meego.com frontpage. i mean tv is there and there is no public tv release | 01:50 |
| pebcak | would rather have a stable 1.4 than a sucking 1.3 release | 01:50 |
| pebcak | arfoll there are only releases on frontpage | 01:50 |
| pebcak | tab is developer preview, not a release | 01:51 |
| arfoll | pebcak, so please point me to a tv meego release | 01:51 |
| pebcak | arfoll you shouldn't complain to me, I'm not intel/meego | 01:51 |
| pebcak | just can tell you what I think I know about tablet ux | 01:52 |
| pebcak | and I flash it every 2 days ;) | 01:52 |
| Venemo_N950 | heh | 01:52 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, can you pass me that udev file? | 01:53 |
| pebcak | there are still a lot of things to fix | 01:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, I see that hid_egalax is now part of CONFIG_HID_MULTITOUCH: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/613431/ | 01:54 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, thats in the -pc kernel | 01:55 |
| pebcak | damn mosqitos | 01:56 |
| pebcak | +u | 01:56 |
| pebcak | :D | 01:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So goody, I don't have to separately compile hid_egalax anymore! | 01:57 |
| arfoll | although we've lost having the config in /proc :-( | 01:57 |
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| pebcak | the pegatron stuff is in asus_laptop right? | 01:58 |
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| pebcak | anyway, tablet ux is really very unstable... forgets hardware every second boot, hangs, forgets orientation, can't decide how often is should show the numbers of pages in appgrid... and I'm not even starting on the apps | 02:00 |
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| RzR | can u suggest a terminal package for the tablet install ? | 02:18 |
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| berndhs | RzR: xterm-261-3.10.i586.rpm ? | 02:29 |
| ZrZ | that one is ok for me but i wish it has a better integration w/ the rest of the desktop | 02:30 |
| ZrZ | i'am testing other ones | 02:30 |
| berndhs | what integration, its a full screen xterm :) | 02:31 |
| arfoll | maybe meego-terminal will be better, it builds on obs | 02:31 |
| berndhs | integration is important http://xkcd.com/937/ | 02:32 |
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| arfoll | actually i dont really get that comic | 02:33 |
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| berndhs | this one in particular, or xkcd in general ? | 02:34 |
| arfoll | that one | 02:34 |
| arfoll | your the second person to mention it so i must be missing something | 02:34 |
| berndhs | the evaluation of the gui and lack of crashes is more important than that it doesn't actually work | 02:34 |
| arfoll | oh ok. but loads of people just too dumb to use apps. if you use android store a bit you learn to ignore those 'dont work' comments | 02:35 |
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| arfoll | i mean loads of people can't follow the nstructions to enable the JSON api in xbmc and then claim the android remote app doesnt work | 02:36 |
| berndhs | sure taht too | 02:36 |
| arfoll | i thought it was something with the multiple location warning (because it | 02:37 |
| arfoll | supposed to warn you 'where you are') | 02:37 |
| arfoll | but thats not funny | 02:37 |
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| gandhijee_ | arfoll: KERNEL=="i2c-? | 02:40 |
| gandhijee_ | whoops | 02:40 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, actually i've worked out to put KERNEL="i2c-[0-9]*", MODE="0666" in rules | 02:41 |
| gandhijee_ | KERNEL=="i2c-?", ATTRS{name}=="SMBus I801 adapter at f000", MODE="0666" | 02:41 |
| gandhijee_ | that will make it so only the one for the chrontel chip is in rw mode | 02:41 |
| gandhijee_ | arfoll: do you have start-stop-daemon installed/ | 02:42 |
| arfoll | ah, even better | 02:42 |
| arfoll | no, i dont, where did you get it from? | 02:42 |
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| gandhijee_ | i don | 02:42 |
| gandhijee_ | t | 02:42 |
| gandhijee_ | i'm about to track down the we tab sources for it | 02:42 |
| arfoll | but it works or not? | 02:42 |
| gandhijee_ | how do i use OBS? | 02:43 |
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| gandhijee_ | kind of, you need start-stop-daemon so you can plug in the hdmi at any time and work | 02:43 |
| arfoll | you ask lbt/x-fade for an accont, swear to only do FOSS and then use osc | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | gandhijee_: do you have an account? | 02:43 |
| gandhijee_ | the current way you have to call tiitoo-hdmi-daemin | 02:43 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, when i do i just get an error : | 02:43 |
| gandhijee_ | *daemon, and if your device isn't the std i2c-2 you need to pass the -d | 02:43 |
| gandhijee_ | arfoll whats the error? | 02:44 |
| arfoll | Write byte fail (8, 03, 04): No such device or addressFound device ID 0xffffffff | 02:44 |
| arfoll | Fatal: Device ID 0xffffffff not the expected 0x56 | 02:44 |
| gandhijee_ | ahh yeah, its checking the wrong device | 02:44 |
| * lbt is going to bed pretty much 'now' .... | 02:44 | |
| gandhijee_ | apply the new udev rule and then check what /dev/i2c-* is in 666 mode | 02:44 |
| lbt | so if you want OBS enabling... need your meego.com account | 02:44 |
| gandhijee_ | then run the tiitoo-hdmi-daemon with tiitoo-hdmi-daemon -d <i2c device> | 02:45 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, k - obey lbt and you'll get OBS access ;-) | 02:45 |
| gandhijee_ | oh | 02:45 |
| gandhijee_ | umm let me get one real quick | 02:45 |
| lbt | I'll pop back in a few mins... | 02:46 |
| gandhijee_ | waiting for the email | 02:47 |
| gandhijee_ | lbt: what do you need from me meego.com account name? anishp55 | 02:49 |
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| lbt | gandhijee_: done ... have fun... and night all | 02:55 |
| arfoll | gd night | 02:55 |
| berndhs | night | 02:56 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 02:56 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, i don't get any i2c devices coming up with 666 perms | 03:03 |
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| gandhijee_ | arfoll: do you have I2C_CHARDEV and I2C_I801 modules? | 03:05 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, i changed the ? to a * and now i do get one | 03:06 |
| gandhijee_ | ah ok my mistake | 03:06 |
| gandhijee_ | i think i might have copied my rule wrong | 03:07 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, although now i get the dbus register failing | 03:07 |
| gandhijee_ | arfoll: you need that .service file | 03:07 |
| gandhijee_ | i will pastebin it | 03:07 |
| arfoll | where did you put it /etc/dbus-1/session.d/ ? | 03:07 |
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| gandhijee_ | http://pastebin.com/hQBUSMC6 | 03:08 |
| gandhijee_ | system.d | 03:09 |
| arfoll | bus name with capitals *shudders* | 03:09 |
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| gandhijee_ | just need start-stop-daemon now and it will work | 03:11 |
| arfoll | uhm no i just get dbus registration failed | 03:11 |
| gandhijee_ | still? | 03:11 |
| arfoll | yes | 03:12 |
| gandhijee_ | hmm | 03:13 |
| gandhijee_ | mine doesn't show up in qdbus until i run the daemon by hand, but i only get an error about com.tiitoo.SystemSound i think | 03:14 |
| arfoll | i'm an idiot | 03:16 |
| arfoll | ^^ if people weren't allready aware of that | 03:16 |
| gandhijee_ | ? | 03:16 |
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| arfoll | i forgot to export the display.... | 03:16 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, well dbus works but i still get the device ID not expected thing | 03:18 |
| arfoll | i'm using tiitoo-hdmi-daemon -d /dev/i2c-14 | 03:19 |
| arfoll | uhm error message now is /dev/i2c-2: Could not open: Permission denied | 03:20 |
| gandhijee_ | arfoll: i haven't gotten -d to work properly, mine is on i2c-0, so i used ghex to edit the binary.... let me find the start-stop-daemon, that should help solve the problem | 03:20 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, uhm it's 2:30am, i have to go to bed | 03:21 |
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| gandhijee_ | ok, i'll get you the rest of the details tomorrow? | 03:21 |
| arfoll | sure that'd be great | 03:21 |
| gandhijee_ | cool | 03:22 |
| arfoll | in fact if you want to mail me or shove it on the wiki that would be cool. i guess i'll be up before you | 03:22 |
| gandhijee_ | ok | 03:23 |
| Alison_Chaiken | gandhijee_ flailingmonkey put up the HDMI chrontel scripts from WeTab: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC#Crystal_HD_Video_Decoder_.28BCM70015.29 | 03:24 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, but that is packaged ;-) | 03:24 |
| gandhijee_ | Alison_Chaiken: and that don't actually provide everything you need to get it running | 03:25 |
| gandhijee_ | and that link actually points ro arfolls package =) | 03:25 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Ah, I didn't notice! | 03:25 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, looks like they hardcode i2c-2 in ch7036_monitor.h | 03:26 |
| gandhijee_ | does it even honor the -d flag? | 03:26 |
| gandhijee_ | you could symlink the device to /dev/HDMI1 | 03:27 |
| arfoll | gandhijee_, nope just -us and -a | 03:27 |
| arfoll | for underscan and all output modes | 03:27 |
| gandhijee_ | then hex edit the tiitoo-daemon to read from /dev/HDMI1 | 03:27 |
| gandhijee_ | i mean the tiitoo-hdmi-daemon, thats more or less what i did | 03:28 |
| arfoll | or i could remove the i2c-2 device and simlink i2c-14 ;-) | 03:28 |
| gandhijee_ | and i'm sure there is some way to make the i2c-14 be i2c-2 with udev rules magic | 03:28 |
| arfoll | it works! you're magical | 03:28 |
| gandhijee_ | yeah, we should probably fix the rule to make that i2c device be i2c-2 | 03:29 |
| gandhijee_ | i | 03:29 |
| gandhijee_ | 'll see if i can't figure that out at some point | 03:29 |
| gandhijee_ | nice | 03:30 |
| arfoll | that would be awesome. right i am really off to bed now | 03:30 |
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| gandhijee_ | lol, later man | 03:30 |
| arfoll | give me a shout on how far you get, i'll try pkg it all tmrw unless you've done it first ;-) | 03:30 |
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| antman8969 | javispedro you added a manual color option to your icon generator, very nice! | 03:48 |
| javispedro | :) | 03:49 |
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| Venemo | newsflash for all N9/N950 owners: http://twitter.com/#!/Venemo/status/103008339067273216 | 11:34 |
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| Tm_T | Venemo: I love the explanation for the pic on the wiki page | 11:44 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 12:07 |
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| Venemo | Tm_T :) | 12:11 |
| Venemo | lcuk, good morning o7 | 12:12 |
| Venemo | Tm_T, which part do you love about it? :) | 12:12 |
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| lcuk | morning Venemo you are gaining momentum with your awesome app | 12:15 |
| Venemo | lcuk, am I? :) | 12:15 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, I'm happy for my app - in the beginning I just wanted to use an awesome IRC client - I'm happy that other people find it awesome too :) | 12:18 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, building momentum as you have is good | 12:19 |
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| Tm_T | Venemo: in general, just find it amusing that you find a need to explain it, and the explanation | 12:20 |
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| Venemo | Tm_T, many people asked me "where did you get that N9" - so I wrote there that I don't actually have one... :P | 12:21 |
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| slaine | anyone here using Fedora 15 as a Qt Development box ? | 13:45 |
| radiofree | slaine: I'm using Fedora 14 | 13:46 |
| slaine | I'm having a problem on F15 with QtCreator, trying to see if it's just me | 13:46 |
| radiofree | whats the problem? | 13:47 |
| slaine | crashes out if I try and open the designer on a qml file | 13:47 |
| slaine | any qml file | 13:47 |
| radiofree | no it's not you | 13:47 |
| radiofree | its a bug in qtcreator | 13:47 |
| slaine | Ah | 13:47 |
| slaine | upstream or missing files from the package | 13:47 |
| radiofree | you can get around it by using a different theme engine for qt creator (not the gtk one) | 13:48 |
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| radiofree | slaine: try ./qtcreator -style windows | 13:54 |
| radiofree | shouldn't crash now | 13:54 |
| slaine | Oh | 13:55 |
| slaine | So if I was using KDE as the desktop, I wouldn't see that ? | 13:55 |
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| radiofree | I don't think so, it's a problem with GTK theme, I'm not sure what the solution is or if it's been fixed in 4.8 | 13:55 |
| slaine | I probably just need a .qtconfig file or whatever it's called. | 13:56 |
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| radiofree | slaine: https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-15592 | 14:01 |
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| radiofree | looks like it'll be fixed for 4.8, before then you can use -style windows | 14:02 |
| slaine | Thanks radiofree, saves me from installing a load of crap or a new distro | 14:03 |
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| RzR | http://rzr.online.fr/q/irc# testing #irc on #harmattan #n950 using irc-chatter thanks to Venemo enjoy #video next step #xmpp now (#n950club) | 15:00 |
| ZrZ | http://rzr.online.fr/q/irc# testing #irc on #harmattan #n950 using irc-chatter thanks to Venemo enjoy #video next step #xmpp now (#n950club) | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | RzR, Venemo mentioned that a .spec file and meego package for the irc library was required | 15:05 |
| lcuk | do you happen to have this already? | 15:05 |
| RzR | i rebuilt it from source | 15:05 |
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| RzR | from git | 15:05 |
| lcuk | RzR, I know that | 15:05 |
| RzR | for harmattan only not rpm yet | 15:05 |
| lcuk | but for others around meego to use it | 15:06 |
| lcuk | it will need rpm | 15:06 |
| RzR | spec file should be easly to set it up | 15:06 |
| RzR | this is the step #2 | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | rzr it would help Venemo to create proper meego version if making the .spec file would be possible | 15:12 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, not yet, but I'll have them as soon as I'm convinced that the app works with MeeGo vanilla | 15:19 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, if you like, I could make a .spec file for you, but I currently have no way for testing on MeeGO | 15:20 |
| Venemo | maybe I should grab my N900 already? :P | 15:20 |
| lcuk | yes, you should | 15:20 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.12.20110810.2.DE.2011-08-15.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/ | 15:20 |
| lcuk | todays daily testing images are here | 15:20 |
| * lcuk just dding one | 15:20 | |
| Venemo | all right | 15:21 |
| Venemo | is there an easy way of installing MeeGo now, or it's still complicated? | 15:21 |
| lcuk | if you have a microsd, it is relatively simple | 15:21 |
| lcuk | just dd the image onto the microsd | 15:21 |
| lcuk | then flash the kernel | 15:22 |
| lcuk | that will boot meego from the sd | 15:22 |
| lcuk | and will happily run and operate until you reboot | 15:22 |
| lcuk | it is the simplest path | 15:22 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 15:23 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, I do not own a suitable MicroSD, and I don't have the money to buy one now. :( | 15:23 |
| ZrZ | lcuk: ping me if this is stuck i'll help him | 15:24 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 15:24 |
| pebcak | wtf google buys motorolas mobile | 15:24 |
| Venemo | lcuk, again, I don't have an external card. | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC | 15:26 |
| lcuk | I missed an E | 15:26 |
| Venemo | ah, ok | 15:26 |
| Venemo | I'm reading it now | 15:26 |
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| arfoll | gandhijee_, Alison_Chaiken - see https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15637 | 15:53 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15637 nor, Medium, ---, peng.li, NEW, [EXOPC] Unable to connect HDMI | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 15:55 |
| arfoll | hdmi sound works too :-) | 15:55 |
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| slaine | I hope Google buying Motorola Mobility drives some Android licensees to evaluate MeeGo more seriously | 16:03 |
| inz | slaine, you mean the nokia-symbian-effect | 16:04 |
| slaine | ins, I'm not sure what that is | 16:04 |
| arfoll | is motorola mobility the entire motorola mobile phone division? | 16:04 |
| slaine | arfoll: I believe so | 16:05 |
| * slaine isn't sure what's left of motorola after that | 16:05 | |
| Bostik | it looks like google acquired a hefty mallet with which to smack the other patent holders back - so far they've been taking nothing short of beat after beat on that front | 16:05 |
| slaine | Bostik: and in one fell swoop, Google now compete with all their Android licensees | 16:05 |
| RST38h | not yet | 16:06 |
| inz | slaine, most other manufacturers started leaving symbian alone when Nokia bought it. | 16:06 |
| RST38h | you have no idea what android is going to do | 16:06 |
| arfoll | slaine, they allready did with the N1 + NS | 16:06 |
| Bostik | slaine: true | 16:06 |
| slaine | arfoll: Yeah, but I don't think the industry took this seriously enough to consider it a threat. They could be seen and where treated more as reference platforms than competition. | 16:07 |
| arfoll | although i liked their philosophy. One device take it or leave it. I'm tired of HTCs 100 phone lineups | 16:07 |
| slaine | s/this/those | 16:07 |
| arfoll | slaine, well i think everyone in the android industry kind of fear android. including the operators | 16:08 |
| arfoll | android and google are interchangeable in that sentence | 16:08 |
| slaine | they're still falling over themselves to get android phones out though. It's really ballooned as a revenue generator for those manufacturers over the last 2 years | 16:09 |
| slaine | The N1 really ushered in the Android era with the 2.x software | 16:09 |
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| arfoll | well for elop it's good. until M$ buy htc | 16:11 |
| npm | dumb qtcreator (from QtSDK 1.1.X) question: on my tablet, i have a Tools->Subversion but on netbook it's missing. How do i get subversion tools enabled? | 16:13 |
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| npm | slaine: motorola split into two companies. one of which is motorola mobility. http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Press-Releases/Motorola-to-Complete-Separation-on-January-4-2011-3528.aspx | 16:14 |
| npm | in fact one can look at the split in hindsight as a plan to get bought | 16:15 |
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| slaine | npm, What do Motorola Solutions do ? | 16:18 |
| slaine | I could look it up, but I'm not that interested, so if you don't know, don't worry | 16:18 |
| slaine | Interesting take from @asymco, The debit column for Android being profitable just increased by $12,000,000,000.00 | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | slaine: don't worry about their profits | 16:20 |
| Termana | morning | 16:20 |
| juliank | You don't have to worry, Motorola basically remains independent, but being owned by Google, gives Google their patent portfolio to protect Android | 16:21 |
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| arfoll | juliank, who says? | 16:23 |
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| juliank | arfoll: PR says "Google will run Motorola Mobility as a separate business." and the quotes from the other Android vendors say things like "We welcome Google‘s commitment to defending Android and its partners." | 16:25 |
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| arfoll | meh, i don't believe PR | 16:25 |
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| juliank | arfoll: It of course makes sense to fire Motorola's software people though, and let them only create hardware and use stock Android. | 16:27 |
| juliank | All we know now with some certainty is that there won't be a MeeGo device from Motorola | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Right, let us fire as many software people as possible | 16:27 |
| pat_plus | sorry, maemo dev new to meego, using Community edition on N900... is there a graphical file manager that works on the Handset UX? | 16:28 |
| RST38h | juliank:You mean, we did not know that? | 16:28 |
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| slaine | I see BBC NEWS are now giving a demo of a Motorola Android phone to give context to the Google buy ouy | 16:30 |
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| gastal | lbt: X-Fade: could I get a MeeGo Community Build Service account? (I'm looking to build an ARMv7 chroot, to see if I can use MeeGo tablet for a project) | 16:33 |
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| odin_ | no meego from motorola, nor LG (in form of GW990), nor nokia (in UK/US at least), what meego hardware vendors are known to be in the handset arena ? | 16:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | odin_: The 'no ... uk has been unclear. | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | There have been statemets made which seem to imply it may be available through smaller vendors unsubsidised. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | But not through main carriers. | 16:40 |
| Venemo_N950 | there doesn't seem to be any meego handset makers, if you don't count nokia | 16:41 |
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| lbt | gastal: pong | 17:19 |
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| gastal | lbt: hey | 17:19 |
| lbt | so gastal - sure you can have an account | 17:19 |
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| lbt | what I would say is that rebuilding all of MeeGo is a bit much for the c.obs as an individual project | 17:20 |
| gastal | lbt: do you need me to email you any info? my meego.com account username is gastal | 17:20 |
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| lbt | can I suggest you talk to Stskeeps or Sage on #meego-arm | 17:20 |
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| lbt | gastal: enabled now | 17:21 |
| gastal | certainly, to rebuild all of meego you'd recommend doing it locally? | 17:21 |
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| lbt | talk to those guys about how they'd like it handled | 17:22 |
| gastal | ok | 17:22 |
| lbt | np :) | 17:22 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, the link to the download repo at http://build.meego.com/project/repository_state?project=home%3Abrendan%3Abranches%3Adevel%3Akernel%3A1.2&repository=MeeGo_1.2 is broken | 18:48 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks to you and gandhijee for your help! | 18:48 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, fixed | 18:49 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks, I see it's fixed! You guys are fast. | 18:51 |
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| dm8tbr | jfyi: < forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM build.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Mon Aug 15 16:28:06 UTC 2011 | 20:01 |
| * dm8tbr waited 30min | 20:02 | |
| CosmoHill | so two errors in one | 20:02 |
| dm8tbr | something I expect this to be unrelated to the weekend thing. as that's supposedly fixed | 20:04 |
| arfoll | dm8tbr, time for a bugzilla update... | 20:04 |
| dm8tbr | arfoll: I'm unsure, I was labelled a 'bother' because I was updating it | 20:05 |
| dm8tbr | arfoll: I guess it needs to be down for at least a day before you are allowed to complain or sthg | 20:05 |
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| arfoll | dm8tbr, lol ignore that. they need to accountable for their downtime | 20:06 |
| dm8tbr | I do not understand how ReleaseEngineering works. there is no transparency. | 20:06 |
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| dm8tbr | arfoll: is it down for you too? | 20:07 |
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| arfoll | dm8tbr, yep | 20:07 |
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| om26er | is there some development ISOs of meego somewhere? | 20:10 |
| om26er | what if someone wants to help with testing and stuff? | 20:11 |
| dm8tbr | om26er: what are you exactly looking for? | 20:11 |
| om26er | dm8tbr, I want to test the upcoming release | 20:12 |
| dm8tbr | om26er: of which UX? | 20:12 |
| om26er | dm8tbr, netbook | 20:12 |
| dm8tbr | will there even be a 1.3 netbook release? | 20:12 |
| om26er | oh | 20:12 |
| dm8tbr | I understood that development on 1.2 was already largely stalling | 20:13 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, well since we are seeing devices with meego netbook on coming out | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: ok, not unlikely then | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | om26er: anyway, yes there are images for download | 20:13 |
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| om26er | dm8tbr, where? | 20:13 |
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| dm8tbr | om26er: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.80/1.2.80.14.0.20110809.2/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ | 20:14 |
| dm8tbr | om26er: that would be 1.2.80, which is the target branch for 1.3 | 20:14 |
| dm8tbr | the meego wiki should know more how to install etc | 20:15 |
| om26er | dm8tbr, thx so basically the project is ..... | 20:15 |
| dm8tbr | what? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0.90/ | 20:15 |
| om26er | dm8tbr, stalled | 20:15 |
| om26er | i was expecting to see gnome 3 and stuff in meego | 20:16 |
| dm8tbr | om26er: well, _netbook_ seems to be more in a sort of maintenance as far as I understand. which means it's mature | 20:16 |
| dm8tbr | om26er: you are mistaking meego for a linux distribution? | 20:16 |
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| om26er | dm8tbr, yes i thought so | 20:17 |
| om26er | but now i think i am getting the vision now | 20:17 |
| dm8tbr | it's more of a 'business thing', where you can build a distribution on top etc | 20:18 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not the right person to explain that though | 20:18 |
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| om26er | dm8tbr, is intel still interested in Meego??? | 20:19 |
| om26er | thats all what matters for me | 20:19 |
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| dm8tbr | om26er: yes, as far as I understand they are very much commited to meego | 20:24 |
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| CosmoHill | it would be foolish of them to pull out now | 20:26 |
| * CosmoHill looks at Nokia | 20:26 | |
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| om26er | dm8tbr, good to know, thx. | 20:30 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | evening CosmoHill | 21:42 |
| lcuk | did you watch top gear last night? | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | nope, I thought it was a repeate | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | I still have the week before's to watch on sky+ | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | bbl, dinner | 21:43 |
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| CosmoHill | html: you american? | 21:51 |
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| html | y do u ask? | 21:59 |
| html | CosmoHill, ? y do you ask? | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | just curious | 22:00 |
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| CosmoHill | spotted your real name which sounds american | 22:01 |
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| html | born american , but my roots are elsewhere | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 22:05 |
| html | what about you? | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | English :) | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | family have lived in the same town for 3 generations and the same region for 100s of years | 22:06 |
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| html | really? dont you think its time to move XD | 22:08 |
| html | jk | 22:08 |
| html | lol | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | mum's side moved to france | 22:08 |
| html | ive been here most of my live | 22:08 |
| rzr | i am still here :) | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | html,Tim Berners Lee is one of your parents! :P | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I'd guess the father | 22:14 |
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| html | lcuk, me? | 22:14 |
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| html | lcuk, are you joking? cuz my name is simular to his | 22:17 |
| lcuk | according to this thing, either you or your computer is called dustin | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | that is why I thought you where american | 22:18 |
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| rzr` | v | 22:20 |
| html | my name is dustin , also lee is my other name | 22:20 |
| rzr` | Venemo: I can test irc-c on tablet version of meego | 22:20 |
| Venemo | rzr`, you could try, but there are no guarantees that it will work. | 22:21 |
| CosmoHill | Dustin Lee Thomas | 22:21 |
| html | ? are you giving me that name? | 22:23 |
| CosmoHill | if you want it | 22:23 |
| CosmoHill | none of them are my names | 22:23 |
| iekku | :D | 22:23 |
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| Venemo | rzr`, you will need qt-components (or whatever it's called) | 22:25 |
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| rzr` | main.cpp:9: fatal error: MDeclarativeCache: No such file or directory | 22:29 |
| rzr` | true | 22:29 |
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| rzr` | forget that lines that wasnt about irc-c | 22:30 |
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| newbie007 | hi I'd like to get meego install on a android device called gentouch78, how can I tell if this device uses uboot? | 22:32 |
| html | newbie007, you can do that? | 22:34 |
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| newbie007 | we'll see | 22:34 |
| newbie007 | I don't mind bricking it, I have two and it was vry cheap | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | newbie007: a start would be to find out if the hardware is compatable | 22:35 |
| newbie007 | it's arm | 22:35 |
| newbie007 | arm 11 I think | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | more than just the processor | 22:36 |
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| newbie007 | also I've heard that ubuntu was put on it | 22:37 |
| newbie007 | I'm just starting with, does it use u-boot | 22:37 |
| CosmoHill | research sounds like a good place | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | is it possible to use the android kernel with meego userspace? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | (to ask a question based on the grid thingamibob | 22:48 |
| Bostik | lcuk: yes | 22:50 |
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| Bostik | lcuk: you can boot an android kernel and then pivot to a meego rootfs | 22:50 |
| lcuk | Bostik, ooh | 22:50 |
| lcuk | but that is not quite the same as making a meego image with an android libc or whatever it needs | 22:51 |
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| Bostik | lcuk: how do you think our early "meego on nook color" worked? :) | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i don't know! :$ | 22:51 |
| lcuk | dare I say: magic! | 22:51 |
| lcuk | but since I have not seen the nook really | 22:52 |
| antman8969 | lcuk, what did you think about grid? | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | antman8969, not sure been preoccupied with meego bugs | 22:54 |
| lcuk | i am just curious about making it easier to use meego on different devices | 22:54 |
| lcuk | and since many have android already | 22:54 |
| lcuk | it would make things simpler | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | my dad got the Sony Arc today | 22:55 |
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| Bostik | the biggest issue is having matching softfp/hardfp userland for the kernel drivers - most android devices apparently ship softfp drivers so it needs a custom build | 22:57 |
| lcuk | do device drivers generally have floating point functions? | 22:58 |
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| Bostik | the GL/GPU ones seem to sport them... | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | perhaps yeah | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | meegawesome | 23:31 |
| * CosmoHill is debugging his model railway | 23:31 | |
| lcuk | heh | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | can't be that hard, it's a circle. Having said that I am using a DMM | 23:32 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: solving race conditions can be tricky. | 23:39 |
| CosmoHill | tell me about it, I had two HSTs on with different loads and I couldn't get them to go the same speed | 23:39 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, share the load | 23:40 |
| CosmoHill | kept changing the loads and all I did was change which one went faster | 23:40 |
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| flailingmonkey | hola | 23:44 |
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| html | hi | 23:46 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, how is lfs doing? | 23:47 |
| CosmoHill | LFS seems to be going alright, a few new comers this month and one big argument about windows or microsoft or something | 23:48 |
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| CosmoHill | I duno but I kicked like 5 people including regulars and ops | 23:48 |
| flailingmonkey | LFS? | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | Linux From Scratch (or Cross LFS which I work on) | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: we're (I'm) slowly getting towards the release of CLFS 1.2 we just need to test / do a build on each arch | 23:49 |
| CosmoHill | If anyone has an questions about CLFS / LFS and don't like to go off topic you can ask me in #cross-lfs | 23:50 |
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| html | tell me what is it? | 23:51 |
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| CosmoHill | CLFS / LFS are books / guides for the purpose of teaching you how a linux distrocution is created and how the packages work with each other | 23:51 |
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| CosmoHill | by follow the book you will end up with a basic linux distrobution | 23:52 |
| lcuk | i should read more linuxy books | 23:52 |
| lcuk | is there a meego one? | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | I believe the motto is "your distro, your rules" | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | ("stfu and do as I say" is another one used by moderators) | 23:53 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: with a decent system / ability to read english / follow instructions you could do LFS within a day | 23:54 |
| lcuk | I have grasped much of how linux sits together now after last couple of years | 23:54 |
| lcuk | but it is still non trivial no matter which distro to get started | 23:55 |
| gastal | CosmoHill: does LFS covers X and DEs? | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | I actually joined #meego to learn more about linux since my level is pretty much low end core. I know little about fancy packages and GUIs | 23:55 |
| lcuk | especially coming from windows side | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | there is a Beyond book which covers pretty much everything else | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | CBLFS is a wiki which can be updated where as BLFS is an outdated book imo | 23:55 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: some say it's like the next step after gentoo | 23:58 |
| lcuk | i have to vanish, there is chocolate somewhere in this house | 23:58 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, i sometimes feel like I could do gentoo easily now! | 23:59 |
| CosmoHill | I became a CLFS developer within a year of starting LFS and now I'm the release manager | 23:59 |
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