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| jpwhiting | berndhs: then how do I use each address? with -A meego or -A susealias, etc.? | 00:05 |
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| jpwhiting | on osc command line I mean | 00:05 |
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| berndhs | osc -A https://this.that.net | 00:05 |
| berndhs | I think you can use aliases too, haven't tried that | 00:05 |
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| jpwhiting | ah, gotcha, yep, my username was wrong in the .oscrc, works with aliases btw, cool | 00:08 |
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| mfilipe | is there any meego marketplace? | 00:52 |
| ali1234 | no | 00:53 |
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| mfilipe | with Nokia N9 I will able to update my meego SO or I will depend of my operator? | 00:54 |
| mfilipe | ali1234, if I want install a software, I need search it in google? isn't there a database like a marketplace to search apps? | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia n9 isn't really mego | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It has a completely seperate infrastructure. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Also #harmattan | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | for meego there is the community OBS | 00:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | the n9 will be handled by Ovi | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | it functions in a similar way to ubuntu PPAs | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 00:56 |
| ali1234 | which is to say there's no quality assurance, search function, or payments | 00:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | those of us lucky to be able to get one | 00:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | %(#@(%#@ Nokia. | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Ovi, and a application in the OVI store to add apps from other repos, as I understand it. | 00:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | debian repos :) | 00:57 |
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| ali1234 | how many people do you think will package their stuff as both rpm and deb? | 00:57 |
| thiago | if it's automatic, a lot of peple | 00:58 |
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| ali1234 | thiago: totally random question. when is qt/3d going to show up in a release version of qt? i noticed the packaging bug was closed... | 01:00 |
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| thiago | ali1234: when someone is interested in releasing it | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | so what does "packaging" mean then, in this context? | 01:01 |
| mfilipe | I like the concept of Meego but without a marketplace and independent update (without operator) I don't see advantage to buy it :( | 01:02 |
| ali1234 | does it just mean i can build qt/3d without having to build all of qt from source? | 01:02 |
| ali1234 | it was QTBUG-17434 | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | btw | 01:03 |
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| ali1234 | one of the steps is "Make builds not dependent on private headers" - i think that's the one that mostly affects me | 01:04 |
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| Damion3 | hello long time no see | 05:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | hey | 05:22 |
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| Damion3 | do you happen to know how bad it is if I ^C a flash right at the very start? | 05:45 |
| Damion3 | probably less than one second after saying Erasing | 05:45 |
| Damion3 | Erasing, this may take a while. | 05:45 |
| Damion3 | ^C | 05:45 |
| Damion3 | Cancelling flashing in progress... | 05:45 |
| Damion3 | it's been like that for many minutes now | 05:45 |
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| berndhs | good night | 06:03 |
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| Damion3 | oh despite saying cancelling it carried on | 06:09 |
| iekku | morning | 06:11 |
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| pavi | zypper update says error building cache | 10:20 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey guys | 12:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'm looking for a btrfs guru | 12:57 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ~seen lcuk | 13:01 |
| infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 13h 20m 57s ago, saying: '\o/'. | 13:01 |
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| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: thanks for the flavor hint :) | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | the gtk-lenny build now goes past the rules stage | 13:17 |
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| M4rtinK2 | it got stuck on something else later, but that might just have been some OBS outage, now rebuilding :) | 13:18 |
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| M4rtinK2 | quite funny that I fixed the hardy package in the same way and it still fails in rules :) | 13:19 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | i hear a samsung netbook is coming soon? (was it samsung?) | 13:56 |
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| lcuk | A look at the Samsung N100 – Meego http://mge.bz/j3 #Samsung #N100 #MeeGo #Netbook http://twitter.com/#!/MeeGoExperts/status/101335316383801344 | 13:57 |
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| juliank | lcuk: There's also ASUS' Eee X101 coming, running MeeGo | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | juliank, is that a touchscreen device? | 14:03 |
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| juliank | lcuk: No, it's a standard netbook | 14:04 |
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| juliank | lcuk: Just in contrast to the N100 from Samsung, you can already pre-order it - at least in Germany, with delivery starting in 14 days | 14:12 |
| lcuk | juliank, that is not bad at a ll | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | there are a number of bugs which need resolving still on the netbook edition | 14:13 |
| lcuk | it seemed to get put down for a while after the meego conf | 14:13 |
| lcuk | perhaps all those bugs and things should be reevaluated | 14:13 |
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| radiofree | aaaand now for the uk to get the good news - http://moconews.net/article/419-confirmed-the-uk-wont-get-the-nokia-n9-either.-thats-two-down/ | 14:14 |
| juliank | lcuk: And it's already the 24st best sold item in amazon.de's netbook list. | 14:15 |
| lcuk | sweet | 14:15 |
| juliank | or more correctly, best-selling | 14:15 |
| RST38h | anyone still using the netbook edition? | 14:16 |
| lcuk | I do RST38h | 14:16 |
| lcuk | the one from meego conf | 14:16 |
| juliank | Given that it only cost 169 euro, that's not totally unsurprising | 14:16 |
| lcuk | do we have any acer/samsung people around here? | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Considered upgrading to Ubuntu or something? | 14:30 |
| lcuk | RST38h, I would consider it of course | 14:30 |
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| lcuk | but the fact Intel got us those devices to work with MeeGo would not feel right | 14:31 |
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| * javispedro notes that the Intel AppDeveloper site stores plain text passwords | 14:38 | |
| javispedro | stupidly they send you the plain text password if you click on the lost pw link | 14:38 |
| * javispedro waits for the inevitable disaster to happen.. | 14:39 | |
| robbiethe1st | Maby a good idea to alert the webmaster? | 14:39 |
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| javispedro | already done | 14:41 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: afaik netbook edition no longer actively supported | 14:43 |
| lcuk | RST38h, well with devices being announced running it perhaps that will evolve | 14:44 |
| lcuk | ebb and flow | 14:44 |
| RST38h | nah | 14:44 |
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| zinit | any news? | 17:21 |
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| iekku | zinit, about what? | 17:22 |
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| berndhs | zinit: http://www.reuters.com/ | 17:22 |
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| yellabs-r2 | hello all | 17:53 |
| yellabs-r2 | what can i use to simulate mouse movement and mouse klicks on meego ( used to use xdotool on other systems ) | 17:54 |
| thiago | what for? | 17:55 |
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| yellabs-r2 | for mouse moving, i am setting it up for kiosk | 17:56 |
| thiago | why does a kiosk need the mouse to move on its own? | 17:56 |
| yellabs-r2 | it needs to klick and accept the wireless | 17:56 |
| yellabs-r2 | so the user can use it,, | 17:56 |
| thiago | why can't the user do that? | 17:56 |
| yellabs-r2 | hmm, i would have to go into all the detials | 17:57 |
| yellabs-r2 | let me put it this way, its an display of twitter tweets for an public library | 17:57 |
| thiago | ok | 17:57 |
| yellabs-r2 | auto start, | 17:57 |
| thiago | right | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | yellabs-r2: Can't your app just post a form with the right values? | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | yellabs-r2: You are trying to solve it the complicated way. | 17:58 |
| * thiago agrees | 17:58 | |
| yellabs-r2 | hmm, dont know , at the moment its a srcipt that boots into chrome browser F11 fullscreen and opens the home page, wich is an index.html page | 17:58 |
| thiago | why don't you open a page that does what you need? | 17:59 |
| thiago | on its own | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | yellabs-r2: Yeah, so put a curl or wget before the browser starts which post the HTML form. | 17:59 |
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| yellabs-r2 | ah, i see | 18:00 |
| yellabs-r2 | thats a good idea | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | Or even better, get the IT department to flag that ip as OK :) | 18:00 |
| krh | or build a robot to move the mouse | 18:01 |
| yellabs-r2 | oh , i like that thought | 18:01 |
| yellabs-r2 | :) | 18:01 |
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| KaIRC | building robots is supposed to be cool, so I already see yellabs-r2 shop for the best components to build one | 18:02 |
| KaIRC | "come to the library to experience the new move-the-mouse robot!" | 18:03 |
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| yellabs-r2 | hmm , i thought about it a bit, i only need an robot arm... | 18:03 |
| yellabs-r2 | and hand | 18:03 |
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| KaIRC | but that doesn't attract as many people | 18:04 |
| KaIRC | and is less cool | 18:04 |
| yellabs-r2 | true | 18:04 |
| berndhs | you don't need a whole hand, just 1 finger | 18:04 |
| KaIRC | "view our new robot finger" is rather dull :P | 18:05 |
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| berndhs | you could promise future extensions to 3 fingers, for windoze machines | 18:06 |
| KaIRC | hehe | 18:07 |
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| yellabs-r2 | any way | 18:09 |
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| yellabs-r2 | thanks for the insights, really helpfull, i will go for the lazy option and let them flag it... :) | 18:09 |
| yellabs-r2 | are the any new splash pictures coming soon ? | 18:10 |
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| yellabs-r2 | meego runs rock solid , thats for sure | 18:12 |
| yellabs-r2 | well bye, have a nice day ! | 18:12 |
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| rossie | hey all | 19:20 |
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| rossie | i just installed and updated the meego 1.1 to 1.9 | 19:21 |
| rossie | i have a problem with connecting to WPA2 wifi network. | 19:21 |
| rossie | what to do..? | 19:21 |
| rossie | please help | 19:21 |
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| rossie | hey anybody there | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | rossie, did you have it working previously? | 19:26 |
| lcuk | or is this first time installation | 19:26 |
| rossie | first time | 19:26 |
| rossie | i just installed and updated via wired n/w | 19:27 |
| lcuk | rossie, are you able to connect to other networks? | 19:27 |
| lcuk | and on which device is this on? | 19:28 |
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| rossie | i dont know about other n/w..b'cause i have only wpa2 | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | rossie, what is actually happening, for instance is there a connection started etc, and on which device | 19:37 |
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| rossie | the device is Acer Aspire | 19:38 |
| rossie | notebook | 19:38 |
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| rossie | and the n/w is wpa2 tkip and peap2 enabled | 19:39 |
| rossie | meego detects the n/w but not able to connect | 19:39 |
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| lcuk | rossie, I just did a quick scan of the bugzilla but cannot find a specific item | 19:40 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=WPA2 | 19:40 |
| lcuk | perhaps you can | 19:40 |
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| lcuk | i was just watching some fishing show on tv, using Furuno ultrasonic stuff | 20:53 |
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| * lcuk never been deep sea fishing | 20:56 | |
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| lcuk | since we have a whole range of ultrabooks on their way | 21:52 |
| lcuk | will they run on meego? | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | and will it be netbook/tablet or other | 21:53 |
| lcuk | hi CosmoHill | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | I think my phone is proper screwed now | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | hi lcuk | 21:53 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you keep throwing it | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | I text someone: I get charged and they don't get it | 21:53 |
| lcuk | no wonder | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | someone phones me and it sounds like the speaker is going | 21:54 |
| berndhs | take out the speaker, it will stop those funny noises | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | could do, it's not like I listen to anyone anyway | 21:56 |
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| flailingmonkey | lcuk: are there benefits from tablet ux being used on a non-touchscreen device? | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, the tablet ux uses panning and gestures to navigate its panels | 22:02 |
| lcuk | have you ever used a touch optimised os with a mouse? | 22:02 |
| * lcuk has | 22:02 | |
| lcuk | first noticed bug for me was: mouse wheel scrolling did not work | 22:02 |
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| berndhs | some gestures are nicer even with a mouse | 22:04 |
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| flailingmonkey | lcuk: i haven't tried netbook ux at all, do you think its better or worse than tablet for ultrabook device? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | berndhs, like? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | i like the netbook ux on the whole | 22:04 |
| berndhs | flicking stuff can work better than scrolling | 22:04 |
| lcuk | apart from its insane handling of alt-tab and the panels | 22:04 |
| lcuk | berndhs, energy to read a document with mouse wheel under your fingertips | 22:05 |
| lcuk | FITTS law etc | 22:05 |
| berndhs | if you have content that doesn't fit inside its container, you can drag it around | 22:05 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: do you think it is better than, say, MeeGo Core + KDE? probably would require some adaptation for middleware layers | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, I use ubuntu and windows xp on my desktop/laptops because they work | 22:06 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: yeah I definitely think mouse wheel should always be properly supported if a mouse might be used | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, let us take something simple like alt-tab | 22:07 |
| lcuk | when doing real work | 22:08 |
| lcuk | i task switch | 22:08 |
| lcuk | on the netbook, it is effort and concentration loss to change | 22:08 |
| lcuk | with just a smallish set of patches to the window manager | 22:08 |
| flailingmonkey | do you think that it is mainly a lack of implemented keyboard shortcuts? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | a whole screen swipe gesture (ala n9 and n900 desktop panning) could do alt-tab intuitively | 22:08 |
| lcuk | and nicely on touchscreens | 22:08 |
| lcuk | it would make the netbook build "feel" much more touch friendly and universally simple to be productive in | 22:09 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, no, I am thinking of actually *using( the touchscreen | 22:09 |
| lcuk | but without rebuilding everything solid netbook ux had | 22:09 |
| flailingmonkey | ahh, netbook w/ touchscreen. i didn't understand that part | 22:09 |
| lcuk | remember, the netbook ux started out as moblin | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | if these ultrabooks retain touchscreen | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | then having the os use it simply will be nice | 22:11 |
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| antman8969 | so has there been any look into the harmattan target on obs in terms of the MDeclarativeCache header from lbt or anyone? | 22:12 |
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| antman8969 | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/applauncherd/mdeclarativecache_8h_source.html | 22:13 |
| lcuk | antman8969, what is up? | 22:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I still can't "zypper update" from 1.2.0.90 stable/latest/ia32. | 22:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I can wget packages from there. Does that repo work for anyone else? | 22:13 |
| antman8969 | lcuk just wondering if anyone had fixed the harmattan target, currently you cannot compile using the declarative cache to launch boosted apps | 22:14 |
| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: I did a fully successful zypper up, on a tablet ux | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, how odd | 22:14 |
| flailingmonkey | last night | 22:14 |
| lcuk | antman8969, is there a bug filed against this issue? | 22:14 |
| Alison_Chaiken | flailingmonkey, could you put your "zypper lr" in a pastie? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | not sure where everyone is | 22:14 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm running latest/stable on ExoPC. | 22:14 |
| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: don't have my tablet on me at the moment, but i just used | 22:14 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, how are you keeping? | 22:14 |
| antman8969 | lcuk lbt had just recommended I bring it up in the irc, but I will if thats the right thing to do. Where is the bug site? | 22:15 |
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| flailingmonkey | repo file: http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo | 22:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I expect to receive a new job offer to work on MeeGo today. I'm practically holding my breath. | 22:15 |
| lcuk | antman8969, oh hum hmm | 22:15 |
| flailingmonkey | and non-oss http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/non-oss/MeeGo_1.2/MeeGo:1.2:non-oss.repo | 22:15 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, good for you, fingers crossed | 22:15 |
| * lcuk needs to orgnise one of those too | 22:16 | |
| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: sounds awesome :) I will soon be looking for work. I would love to be paid to work on MeeGo | 22:16 |
| Alison_Chaiken | flailingmonkey, thanks, I'll try those out. I see your config has 1.2 rather than 1.2.0.90. Maybe that's the key. | 22:16 |
| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: i actually think that what i did was only change the baseurl in the existing files in /etc/zypp/repos.d/ | 22:17 |
| Alison_Chaiken | flailingmonkey (and everyone else!) Futurewei/Huawei posted an ad locally for "Android/MeeGo" developers in Santa Clara, CA. Ping me if you can't find the job on Huawei's website. | 22:17 |
| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: then did `zypper clean --all; zypper refresh` | 22:17 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Disclaimer: Huawei is not the company I'll be joining. I'm just trying to be helpful. | 22:18 |
| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: thanks for the heads up :) | 22:18 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | flailingmonkey, I know about other MeeGo work I anticipate turning down. Send me an email if you're interested. | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | yep the speaker has gone | 22:19 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Disclaimer 2: No I'm not getting a headhunter fee. I want MeeGo lovers to get MeeGo jobs, not random people. | 22:19 |
| Alison_Chaiken | By the way, has anyone gotten HDMI out to work on ExoPC? I can't even get it to work with Windows pre-install, which I retained. | 22:20 |
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| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: I was working on that yesterday. chromium os has code for managing the chip: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/third_party/chrontel.git;a=summary | 22:22 |
| flailingmonkey | and someone was working on bringing in the code WeTab used to support it: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=chrontel&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Autils | 22:23 |
| flailingmonkey | the WeTab thing seems to take the chromium code, tweak it to make c++ code to use in qt app | 22:24 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Arfoll strikes again. Thanks once more, flailingmonkey. | 22:24 |
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| flailingmonkey | Alison_Chaiken: no problem :) i do not have a mini-HDMI cable yet so I have not been able to test it | 22:26 |
| flailingmonkey | for Arfoll's stuff, i'm pretty sure I could have added a repo to install it as a package. but that build site indicates it is failing | 22:27 |
| flailingmonkey | but I was able to take the code from that link, go into source and run qmake, followed by make | 22:28 |
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| flailingmonkey | one problem in the script "tiitoo-hdmi.sh" for starting/stopping the daemon, is that it called a command named daemon which doesn't exist/installed. couldn't find it either | 22:29 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey, chrontel build is failing? | 22:31 |
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| flailingmonkey | if i read the site correctly, it is failing on build.pub.meego.com | 22:32 |
| flailingmonkey | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?blocked=0&building=0&dispatching=0&finished=0&pkgname=chrontel&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Autils&scheduled=0&signing=0&succeeded=0 | 22:32 |
| arfoll | yeah for meego 1.0, why would anyone care ;-) | 22:33 |
| arfoll | the meego 1.0 target is really meant for wetab OS, and since they allready have chrontel i didn't bother to fix. feel free to submit a patch to the yaml/spec ;-) | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | javispedro, X-Fade: any progress with the -j4 build issues ? | 22:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | I can confirm my builds still failing in the rules stage due to it | 22:36 |
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| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: haha, you're right. i did not notice it was meego 1.0 | 22:39 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: I was able to download the code from there, used qmake and make, and everything built | 22:39 |
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| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: attempting to use it, I encountered two problems. first was just that the script calls command "daemon" which is not installed | 22:40 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey_, to fix for meego 1.0 it's just a dependancy that changed names | 22:40 |
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| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: second was when I manually ran tiitoo-hdmi-daemon it complained that "registration failed: registerService! Is another instance running?" | 22:42 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: but no other instance in process list. perhaps dbus service was registered | 22:43 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey_, well i never managed to make it work :-( | 22:43 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: ahhh! okay, that is good to know =P | 22:44 |
| arfoll | but i realised it didn't work on a real wetab either so i figured it could have been the monitor | 22:44 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: i don't actually have an mini-hdmi cable yet so I can't even test :p | 22:44 |
| arfoll | from what i've read though it'll only output 1152* or whatever the res of the wetab/exo is | 22:45 |
| arfoll | so i figured maybe the monitor didn't like getting that weird res | 22:45 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: but I did get crystalhd compiled, and working. got flash to use it, but many crashes. | 22:46 |
| arfoll | did you use my package or an updated code? | 22:46 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: for chrontel? i was just using your code, but I am also looking at the chromium os version. no idea how they use it though | 22:47 |
| Damion3 | is there a channel for discussing n950 use? qt devel is one thing, but as I've switched this to my main phone I'd like to chat to people from a user perspective | 22:47 |
| arfoll | for crystalhd | 22:47 |
| arfoll | Damion3, #harmattan | 22:47 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: for crystalhd, i used http://git.wilsonet.com/crystalhd.git/?a=tree;hb=HEAD | 22:47 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey_, I have a pkg here : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libcrystalhd&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Axbmc-testing | 22:48 |
| arfoll | it could do with an update and a little love, it's been a while | 22:48 |
| Damion3 | I've sat in both this and that channel, that was all about dev stuff and people would chat in here at random about querks on their phone | 22:48 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: i'll go take a look :) | 22:48 |
| arfoll | i haven't tried with flash I only tried with XBMC and gstreamer | 22:48 |
| arfoll | Damion3, i suggest #meego-bar then | 22:49 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: i realized that tablet ux images have very few of commonly used codecs | 22:49 |
| Alison_Chaiken | flailingmonkey, do I want http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard or http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/i586 for ExopC with tablet ux? | 22:50 |
| flailingmonkey_ | Alison_Chaiken: you want the first one, because that directory has the necessary "repodata" subdirectory | 22:50 |
| arfoll | flailingmonkey_, yeah, but basically with xbmc-testing you have the codecs you need to rebuild a gst-plugins-bad with the good stuff ;-) just download the verbatim tarball replace -free with '' and you're gold! | 22:50 |
| arfoll | well and add a few pkgbr | 22:51 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: nice :) | 22:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | flailingmonkey and arfoll, I have an ExoPC and a miniHDMI cable. | 22:51 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, but no HDMI monitor? ;-) | 22:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I would like to use my ExoPC to give a presentation on a VGA projector, so a low-res HDMI out should work fine. | 22:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yep, I have HDMI monitor too. | 22:52 |
| arfoll | if you have success i'd love to hear it, on the wiki it seems people have got it to work | 22:53 |
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| arfoll | flailingmonkey_, if you wait a few mins i can get the gst-plugins-bad with all the codecs on pub obs | 22:53 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Showing demos running on ExoPC at least via projector is much better than having listeners stand around, especially if demos work. (Note to self: if not, set incompatible screen resolution quickly.) | 22:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks again for repo advice, flailingmonkey. I'm updating now. | 22:54 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, how do you plan to do HDMI->VGA? | 22:54 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, a lot of projectors that display at VGA will take HDMI in. | 22:54 |
| flailingmonkey_ | arfoll: I don't have my tablet on me, so I can wait more than a few minutes :) | 22:54 |
| flailingmonkey_ | Alison_Chaiken: ah so you mean VGA resolution, not connector | 22:55 |
| arfoll | cool, then give me a ping tmrw and I should have a nice repo up ;-) | 22:55 |
| arfoll | what's VGA res? | 22:55 |
| arfoll | *shudders* 640x480 presentation | 22:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, I'd love to see HDMI-resolution projectors, but they would be expensive for sure! | 22:56 |
| lcuk | arfoll, I have given presentations at 800*480 | 22:58 |
| * arfoll will resist to make an age joke | 22:58 | |
| berndhs | most presentations have information content that needs at least 12 x 9 pixels | 22:59 |
| lcuk | lolol | 22:59 |
| lcuk | http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=1854130&trk=jobs_share_tw | 22:59 |
| * lcuk ponders applying | 22:59 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, last night I made a wrong turn driving. My 3G was poor, so I looked at a paper map, but could not read the street names! I am 49. I need a meego-ivi system soon! | 23:02 |
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| * CosmoHill needs a job | 23:02 | |
| CosmoHill | I think I'm more interested in programming than testing | 23:02 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, i'm young but i'm useless at directions. even with 2 GPS running I managed to get lost on my way to stansted | 23:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | CosmoHill, in case you missed it, Huawei/Futurewei is hiring in Santa Clara, CA. | 23:03 |
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| CosmoHill | arfoll: maybe cause you have two | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | Alison_Chaiken: I don't want to leave my county let alone my country :p | 23:03 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, well i was trying out the new google maps direction but I wasn't too confident so I took the tomtom as well | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | which international airport did you end up at? | 23:04 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Air France that crashed off Brazil had multiple gyros that couldn't agree on heading. It made a powered dive into the Atlantic. I will refrain from comparisons to management of certain Finnish company. | 23:04 |
| CosmoHill | gatwick, heathrow, munich? | 23:04 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, nah i just ended up being 30 minutes late | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | I have one route to stansted and another route back | 23:05 |
| arfoll | Air France crashing, gyros must have gone on strike... | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | god my tv is nokia | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | *shite | 23:06 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I note that R.I.M. also has multiple CEOs, and QNX/BBOS, instead of MeeGo/Symbian. (Parallels are clear.) | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | so ultrabooks | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | are they essentially just next gen hardware waiting for a meaningful OS on them (ie meego) | 23:25 |
| wmarone_ | my understanding is they're trying to push other vendors to release MBA type systems | 23:25 |
| wmarone_ | and I don't know if I'd put MeeGo on a core i5 ;) | 23:25 |
| lcuk | which is a good thing | 23:26 |
| lcuk | except that core bit | 23:26 |
| lcuk | why not? | 23:26 |
| lcuk | is this another step backwards graphically? | 23:26 |
| lcuk | ie closer to low spec portable mobile stuff? | 23:26 |
| wmarone_ | ? it | 23:26 |
| wmarone_ | it's not like current platforms intel is putting meego on are graphic powerhouses | 23:27 |
| wmarone_ | though I hear the new sandy bridge platforms have a much better gpu than previously (relative to intel's past) | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | wmarone_, powerhouse is relative | 23:29 |
| lcuk | i rarely run apps on my ideapad which overwhelm it graphically | 23:29 |
| lcuk | infact, sometimes I feel intel chips are too quick ;) | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | wmarone_, it is just a case of finding what works well | 23:30 |
| lcuk | and building from it | 23:30 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: weren't you asking about a way to slow them down yesterday? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah | 23:30 |
| lcuk | still makes me giggle | 23:31 |
| lcuk | i half ponder what qml + liqbase would run like | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | I got some old games like SimFarm that will use 100% processor load because in 1994 it needed all of it | 23:31 |
| lcuk | ie best of qt | 23:31 |
| wmarone_ | too quick? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, the thing with modern mobile hardware | 23:32 |
| lcuk | is it is ~10years ago desktop | 23:32 |
| lcuk | if apps are designed for multicore multi ghz processes and pile on the layers | 23:32 |
| lcuk | it is quite obvious where the issues comes from | 23:32 |
| lcuk | wmarone_, yes | 23:32 |
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| wmarone_ | CosmoHill: some old software will use 100% of the cpu because it operates with an internal busy loop, sorta like Win3.1 in an emulator. | 23:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I assume you are joking and know all about powertop and cpu C and P states for Intel processors? | 23:32 |
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| wmarone_ | lcuk: how could it be -too fast- though? | 23:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | BTW, SGX540 on OMAP4 is a pretty rocking GPU. | 23:33 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | TI repos are starting to show commits for OMAP5. | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | wmarone_, remember old school computers had turbo buttons | 23:34 |
| lcuk | not so much to make computer faster | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | but to allow them to run back at the original speed | 23:34 |
| wmarone_ | lcuk: sure, so you could drop it from 30MHz to 10 | 23:34 |
| lcuk | same effect :P | 23:34 |
| wmarone_ | mostly for games that assumed a processor speed | 23:34 |
| lcuk | wmarone_, my favourite recentish photogrpah | 23:35 |
| lcuk | photograph: | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg | 23:36 |
| lcuk | the ideapad was running too fast to take a photograph | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i had to pull out my nokia n900 with high speed camera to get a better photo! :P | 23:36 |
| lcuk | (I was doing some video recording with webcam) | 23:37 |
| lcuk | this is a screenshot of what the photo was from http://liqbase.net/liq.20110525_162059.liqrecentsketches_classic.scr.png | 23:38 |
| wmarone_ | lcuk: that's a clocking issue though, right? like a 24fps video recording a screen refreshing at 60hz? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | wmarone_, still fun to be telling intel their chips are actually too quick for a change ;) | 23:41 |
| lcuk | instead of moaning and waiting for the next set | 23:41 |
| arfoll | surelly will make a change from people telling them gfx is too slow ;-) | 23:41 |
| wmarone_ | ;p | 23:41 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 23:41 |
| lcuk | wmarone_, and when graphics work well on yesterdays hardware surely it increases the long tail of sales | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | wmarone_, I designed my apps to run on 400mhz of my n810 | 23:47 |
| lcuk | as new devices have come out, the headroom in enchancing the code is awesome | 23:47 |
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