| lbt | DawnFoster: you're back... good. I just got in. | 00:00 |
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| DawnFoster | in a meeting - not really available | 00:00 |
| lbt | OK... I mailed you ... please take a look when you can. | 00:01 |
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| lems | whats the name of the window-manager in meego? | 00:18 |
| RST38h | uffff | 00:19 |
| RST38h | I have done it | 00:19 |
| RST38h | has been non trivial | 00:19 |
| lems | I'm want to start x over ssh | 00:22 |
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| lems | i* | 00:22 |
| lems | hehe, my english sucks ;) | 00:22 |
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| CosmoHill | lems: ssh -X user@host | 00:29 |
| lems | CosmoHill: yes I know, but I want to start the window-manager. ex gnome-session | 00:29 |
| CosmoHill | have you tried "startx"? | 00:30 |
| lems | yes | 00:30 |
| * CosmoHill runs out of ideas | 00:31 | |
| lems | okej =) | 00:31 |
| lems | thanks anyway | 00:31 |
| CosmoHill | I only use linux on a headless server | 00:31 |
| lems | ah, I see | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | there's a wiki page about this stuff i think | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | let me see if i can find it | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | why isn't X already running btw? | 00:36 |
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| ali1234 | maybe this can give you some clues: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 00:36 |
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| lems | ali1234: thanks | 00:36 |
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| lems | "mutter" was the name | 00:45 |
| GAN900 | lbt, flight go OK? | 00:48 |
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| lbt | GAN900: yes thanks | 00:52 |
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| lbt | long days though | 00:52 |
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| CosmoHill | night nigth | 02:30 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:21 |
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| wmarone | wow | 04:45 |
| wmarone | nokia went all out with their anti-user technologies in Harmattan | 04:46 |
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| TSCHAKeee | wmarone: ? | 04:48 |
| wmarone | just reading the thread regarding Aegis and its "self destruct" routine | 04:49 |
| wmarone | it'll be more hostile than the iPhone and every android device if you have the misfortune of getting a carrier locked device | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | The self destruct is reportedly a bug, fixed on latest internal images. | 04:52 |
| wmarone | really? | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd say it's going to be hard to say how it's going to look IRL until we hit actual n9s shipping. | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | It could vary from slight annoyance, to utter uselessness, to quite handy. | 04:54 |
| wmarone | hopefully it starts looking better, I've basically been ignoring it all due to talk of Aegis | 04:54 |
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| npm | what does this mean w/r/t US availability of N9? http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sci/2011-08/10/c_131039257.htm | 05:00 |
| npm | oops wrong group | 05:00 |
| npm | thought i was in #harmattan because all the names looked like that group | 05:01 |
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| npm | FYI found a little more overlap between Harmattan and MeeGo -- policy framework and libresourceqt -- http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28772&postcount=5 | 05:04 |
| GAN900 | the non-overlap is more political than technical. ;) | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup pretty much | 05:11 |
| * TSCHAKeee is still livid that the N9 is not getting any presence in the US. | 05:11 | |
| TSCHAKeee | im to the point that the next time I see qgil, I'm just telling him I'm keeping the N950 and taking the hit. | 05:11 |
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| TSCHAKeee | because i look at this device, and i cry | 05:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | because it is easily one of the best nokia devices i've ever held in my hand. | 05:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it makes me want to find Elop, and punch him in the cunt. | 05:13 |
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| moofree | how much of a hit would it be TSCHAKeee | 05:36 |
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| moofree | lose your nokia developer license? or they charge you a kidney? | 05:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | they charge me for the cost of the device. | 05:37 |
| moofree | so like $800 or something insane like that? | 05:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | something like that | 05:37 |
| moofree | it's definitely gonna be a collector's piece | 05:38 |
| berndhs | yeah but how long until that's really an issue, don't you have more than a year to find out what develops ? | 05:38 |
| moofree | i wish it's what the N9 was :\ | 05:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | well, the N9's hardware is even better | 05:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | believe it or not | 05:38 |
| moofree | except no keyboard | 05:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | doesn't bother me in the least | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I question if anyone actually will care. I don't recall anyone getting contacted about returning n900s or... | 05:38 |
| moofree | meaning i won't buy one | 05:38 |
| wmarone | I do wish it had an SD card slot | 05:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | the on scren keyboard is very nice | 05:38 |
| berndhs | make friends with some Australians | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Lack of keyboard isn't - quite - a deal killer for me. | 05:39 |
| wmarone | I actually have been rolling around ideas about building an NFC keyboard | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis - depending on how it's configured - might be. | 05:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | again, the OSK is very nice, and it was one of the things that made me a little sad with the N900, the fact you couldn't use it one handed. | 05:39 |
| moofree | what ever happened to those touchscreens nokia was demoing a few years ago with haptic feedback | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wmarone: Have you seen the iphone keybords? | 05:39 |
| wmarone | SpeedEvil: I have but not sure how they connect | 05:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wmarone: BT | 05:40 |
| wmarone | ahh | 05:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | I have been able to successfully use the N950 one handed in day to day use | 05:40 |
| wmarone | I do recall one that attached and slid on and off | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it's very nice. | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Making it into a slider. | 05:40 |
| wmarone | which would basically solve the keyboard problem for me | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I question if it'll fit a n9 of course. | 05:40 |
| wmarone | of course | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | And of course, it's not very transparent | 05:40 |
| berndhs | NFC sounds like a good plan | 05:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it would protect the camera lens from fingerprints. | 05:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | berndhs: Abouta quarter of a good plan. | 05:41 |
| SpeedEvil | The really shiny bit for me would be if it would also support card-payments. | 05:41 |
| wmarone | my idea was to create one that mounted to the ends and wrapped over the display, like a clamshell | 05:41 |
| berndhs | well sure, have to build some hardware, but i'm sure there's a market | 05:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are other fun ideas too though. | 05:41 |
| moofree | sounds interesting | 05:42 |
| wmarone | attaching to the device would be essential for it to be as immediately useful as the N9(5)0 keyboard | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Imagine a necklace that has a NFC tag with a secret key on it that can be wiped if you press a button, and the range sensed. | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Range goes >5m - device shuts down | 05:42 |
| wmarone | ooh | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to hold it to the token to reboot | 05:42 |
| wmarone | proximity security token | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Or all your data stays crypted | 05:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | This is some of the cool stuff that aegis could help with. | 05:44 |
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| wmarone | assuming aegis serves the device owner and not someone else | 05:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 05:44 |
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| TSCHAKeee | SpeedEvil: most intriguing :) | 05:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | SpeedEvil: I have a TI Chronos Watch development system that would pair very nicely with. | 05:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 05:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was pondering one of those. | 05:48 |
| SpeedEvil | The HRM version | 05:49 |
| * TSCHAKeee is using said watch for presence detection tests. | 05:49 | |
| TSCHAKeee | SpeedEvil: at $50, it's a steal. | 05:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I really wantto find a niceCO2 sensor to do expirational CO2 and volume studies | 05:49 |
| wmarone | TSCHAKeee: hah, it's the metawatch's predecessor | 05:49 |
| SpeedEvil | TSCHAKeee: That's a couple of weeks food. :) | 05:49 |
| * SpeedEvil is trying to economise hard at themoment. | 05:50 | |
| TSCHAKeee | wmarone: got a link to the metawatch? | 05:50 |
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| wmarone | https://estore.ti.com/Search.aspx?k=meta%20watch | 05:50 |
| wmarone | http://www.metawatch.org/ | 05:50 |
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| TSCHAKeee | god damn, TI is tearing through development cycle | 05:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | s | 05:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | the addition of bluetooth would be _VERY_ useful in my case | 05:53 |
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| wmarone | how does the one you have communicate? | 05:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | wmarone: it has its own radio on its own band. I have four USB dongles that can pair with it. | 05:54 |
| wmarone | ahh | 05:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's compatible with a family of sensors that also communicate on the band | 05:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | it comes in 868 and 432mhz varieties | 05:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | or sorry, 533mhz | 05:55 |
| wmarone | but it requires those dongles and sensors to talk | 05:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | (meaning radio frequencies) | 05:55 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yes. | 05:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | TI envisioned the watch as a hub for a Body-Area-Network | 05:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | The raspberry pi thing might be very interesting for that | 05:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 05:57 |
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| Nick``` | oh hi | 06:12 |
| Nick``` | first time here. may I ask some questions about the N9 ? | 06:13 |
| antman8969 | theres a #harmattan channel for that, but I doubt anyone would get angry | 06:13 |
| Nick``` | thanks ! i'll ask there | 06:14 |
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| iekku | mornign | 06:39 |
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| dm8tbr | 'menta | 07:25 |
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| StarBlessed | Quick question, Ive found a missing webcam driver and figured out how to build it from Ubuntu Code. Can someone point me to someone who might like to know? A dev or something? Or should I just file a bug report with the details? | 07:55 |
| dm8tbr | what is it exactly that's missing? | 07:59 |
| StarBlessed | Oh, a webcam driver. Thats all. Its completely absent from almost every distro Ive used, including Ubuntu. You chave to manually compile it from code. | 08:00 |
| StarBlessed | I had to adjust the code for it to load on meego | 08:00 |
| flailingmonkey | aha, you want to package the kernel module then? | 08:01 |
| StarBlessed | And damn... Finding the libraries was a mission... | 08:01 |
| flailingmonkey | or find someone who might do so | 08:01 |
| StarBlessed | Im not entirely sure. I just wanted to give the code to someone else who might be able to do something constructive with it. Im no developer. | 08:01 |
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| flailingmonkey | typically, driver's get prepared for inclusion in the kernel, if its open source. and if its up to standards, gets included | 08:02 |
| StarBlessed | Ok, so just file a CR bug? | 08:03 |
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| flailingmonkey | probably the best approach | 08:03 |
| StarBlessed | Ok, cool. | 08:03 |
| StarBlessed | Cheers bro | 08:03 |
| StarBlessed | Ill do that tonight | 08:03 |
| dm8tbr | file bug, include all patches etc | 08:04 |
| dm8tbr | then if someone comes looking for it they will find it | 08:04 |
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| StarBlessed | Yup yup. I will have some questions though. So Ill be back. There is one for a Sony Memory Stick reader, and another for the Ricoh webcam. But I need some dev tips as well to try and get the code up to scratch. So Ill be back later. :) See ya soon! | 08:06 |
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| janmalte | i installed meego tablet ux on my wetab/exopc | 11:05 |
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| janmalte | how can i now boot from usb drive? i want to install the notebook ux, as the tablet ux seems not to have any apps | 11:05 |
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| lcuk2 | morning \o | 11:23 |
| topro | anyone could tell me what command is used to generate .packages files in image directories, please? | 11:28 |
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| lbt | morning | 12:35 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 12:35 |
| slaine | Ah, cheers CosmoHill | 12:36 |
| lbt | hey slaine | 12:36 |
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| slaine | lbt, welcome, safe travels I assume | 12:36 |
| lbt | Sunny Helsinki | 12:36 |
| slaine | s/welcome,/welcome back,/ | 12:36 |
| infobot | slaine meant: lbt, welcome back, safe travels I assume | 12:36 |
| lbt | saw your comment in the CO meeting ... wanted to make sure I understood it :) | 12:37 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, is there coffee? | 12:37 |
| * CosmoHill waves his wand | 12:38 | |
| CosmoHill | yes | 12:38 |
| lcuk | lbt, the CO meeting was quite productive | 12:38 |
| lbt | it got some clarity | 12:38 |
| lbt | but I see we don't yet have an LF email reply | 12:38 |
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| lbt | and IMHO the response is different from the one I'd expected | 12:39 |
| lbt | this sounds more like "not yet" than "no" | 12:39 |
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| slaine | lbt, what do I need to clarify ? | 12:42 |
| lbt | oh ... I'm being sensitive ... the storm in a teacup comment ... | 12:42 |
| lcuk | lbt, does the -boss channel indicate all items through c-obs? | 12:43 |
| lbt | I think you mean that this is an inevitable squabble that would happen if apps.m.c was refused | 12:43 |
| lbt | and it was likely to be refused all along (though I don't agree with that) | 12:43 |
| lbt | but wanted to just make sure I knew what you meant | 12:44 |
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| lbt | lcuk: pretty much | 12:44 |
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| lcuk | good stuff, it is always moving with loads of projects | 12:45 |
| lbt | yep | 12:46 |
| lbt | and adam helped us stabilise the workers | 12:46 |
| lbt | so they seem to be happier now | 12:46 |
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| lcuk | lbt, for somebody with maemo experience, is http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS the best way to get going with meego and harmattan apps? | 12:51 |
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| Venemo_N950 | how much of an effort would it take to port my QML IRC client from Harmattan to MeeGo? | 12:51 |
| lbt | mmm ... not looked at it enough :( | 12:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | morning lcuk, how're you today? :) | 12:51 |
| lbt | Venemo_N950: the idea is "not much" | 12:51 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N950, qt components are just being added this week to the n900-ce | 12:51 |
| slaine | lbt, well, don't be offended by anything I said. I certainly meant no disrespect | 12:51 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N950, tired | 12:52 |
| lbt | slaine: no, I didn't think so :) | 12:52 |
| Venemo_N950 | are they the same qt-components? with QtQuick 1.1? | 12:52 |
| lbt | slaine: I'm trying to gauge peoples opinions.... and make sure I'm not just tunnel-visioned | 12:52 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N950, afaik, yes | 12:52 |
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| lcuk | the merge request is on the build images queue and pending being created | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | the components are afaik tested to a degree | 12:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | nice :) | 12:53 |
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| Venemo_N950 | in that case, I humbly offer my irc client to MeeGo :) | 12:54 |
| lcuk | lol | 12:54 |
| slaine | My take is, that formeego.com is where we where bound to end up eventually, as LF/Intel/Nokia have shown little enthusiasm for fostering MeeGo Extras/Garage/Surrounds/Apps all along. Focusing on their own AppUp/Ovi model. I felt that we're not far off from where we would have been regardless of how the communications had flowed over the last number of week. Storm in a teacup was probably the wrong term to use (dismissive sounding). | 12:54 |
| lbt | Venemo_N950: work with X-Fade on getting it into apps | 12:54 |
| Venemo_N950 | it needs me to finish it at first, obviously :P | 12:55 |
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| Venemo_N950 | lbt, okay, I'll do that | 12:55 |
| slaine | I'm thankful for the time and energy that's gone into this and feel that now the dependency on LF has been broken, we're free to actually proceed with this. | 12:55 |
| slaine | it's a liberating outcome for all parties I think | 12:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | slaine, proceed with what? | 12:56 |
| slaine | a repo for community applications | 12:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | apps.meego.com? | 12:56 |
| slaine | in all but name | 12:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | hm? | 12:56 |
| lbt | slaine: OK ... I saw DawnFoster's enthusiasm at the SF conference so I am (still) not giving up. I don't know what other factors may have influenced LF. I don't want to read too much into Brian's conversational irc comments and I'm still waiting for a carefully worded email | 12:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | ah, you're talking about that ridiculous decision of the LF? | 12:57 |
| * RST38h sighs | 12:57 | |
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| lbt | what's interesting is that c.obs is still OK at meego.com ... which I am delighted about | 12:57 |
| lbt | but I want it in writing | 12:57 |
| RST38h | If Intel really wanted to help, they would be already running a repo for you. | 12:57 |
| lbt | we have a repo | 12:58 |
| RST38h | With or without LF's approval | 12:58 |
| lbt | we're not allowed an appstore application | 12:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | LF are a bunch of android-lovers, it was a mistake to give meego to them | 12:58 |
| * lbt not interested in dissing LF ... :) | 12:58 | |
| slaine | I think Dawn is enthusiastic from a "good for the community" perspective, I wouldn't read too much into that in the form of Intel policy and plans. ICBW | 12:58 |
| RST38h | lbt: Please, explain (sorry). I was under impression that you were not allowed to store binaries in a repo, just sources? | 12:58 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N950, not helping | 12:59 |
| lbt | RST38h: indeed... | 12:59 |
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| RST38h | lbt: What does appstore have to do with it? | 12:59 |
| lbt | which is why allowing the c.obs has *always* been at odds with forbidding apps.meego.com | 12:59 |
| lbt | RST38h: apps.meego.com is not a repo... it's a php search tool | 12:59 |
| lbt | a frontend pointing to cobs | 12:59 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: the enlarged scope (community, no longer hardware community) was acked by him, see bug | 12:59 |
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| Venemo_N950 | lcuk, well, it's their trademark, they can do with it anything they want, can't they | 13:00 |
| RST38h | apps.meego.com does not even resolve | 13:00 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: it's up to the community how we want to split ourselves ... I suggest as little as possible :) | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | lbt: Ok. So how is it different from Packrat? | 13:00 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: My point is still. Do not split at all. count meego.com and formeego.org as the greater thing that meego really is | 13:01 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: *nod* ... fine :) | 13:01 |
| dm8tbr | then it becomes less relevant where exactly you put what | 13:01 |
| lbt | RST38h: packrat encourages multiple repos and is evil :) | 13:01 |
| * RST38h likes being evil | 13:01 | |
| lbt | sure... some people do ;) | 13:02 |
| RST38h | lbt: So you would like to limit packrat to searching your cobs repos and call it an appstore, or what? | 13:02 |
| lbt | yes | 13:02 |
| RST38h | I can do that for you, no problemo | 13:02 |
| RST38h | As long as you give me a server to install it on | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | The apps part does a lot more. It also does the whole qa thing. | 13:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, QA processes | 13:02 |
| lbt | so talk to X-Fade and co. | 13:02 |
| lbt | and here he is | 13:02 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 13:02 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Got some permanent place for packrat? | 13:03 |
| lbt | since they've been working on this for months... | 13:03 |
| lbt | it's likely too late to influence the design | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No, Apps is basically done. | 13:03 |
| lbt | since the code is mainly done.... | 13:03 |
| RST38h | ah ok, back to the original "evil" design then. | 13:03 |
| lbt | mmm | 13:03 |
| lbt | so "I don't care about a solution for the community, I just want my code to be chosen" ??? | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | It also has support for the on-device client, which is also basically done. | 13:04 |
| RST38h | lbt: No | 13:04 |
| lbt | OK... so why back to the evil design then? | 13:04 |
| RST38h | lbt: Just "I don't care". | 13:04 |
| lbt | *nod* | 13:04 |
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| lbt | l8r | 13:04 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, I cannot decide whether the descriptions you added to the getting started are helpful or not, the page looks very complex now | 13:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | Jaffa, when the irc client is completed, could you feature it in mwkn? | 13:13 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: The descriptions I added to the getting started? | 13:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: What descriptions I added? | 13:18 |
| Jaffa | Venemo_N950: Sure, poke me with an announcement link or something | 13:18 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I agree the page looks complex, the stuff about getting packages for Harmattan should be on a different page, I think | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: This is "getting started with OBS", not "getting started with development" | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: See attempts at discussion here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28270#post28270 - someone else added the stuff which makes it bigger and complex | 13:19 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, understood, I just read through it again and it was longer and wordier than I recall | 13:25 |
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| lcuk | I know most of it is needed and really a magic button (TM) should do it all! | 13:26 |
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| CosmoHill | http://bash.org/?753599 :D | 14:40 |
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| Jartza | oh | 15:13 |
| Jartza | did you hear that N9 will not be sold in north america? | 15:13 |
| Jartza | Nokia will dismiss all other models except Windows Phone from North Americas market... | 15:14 |
| Jartza | including S40, Symbian and MeeGo | 15:15 |
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| CosmoHill | so nokia plan to expand their american market by only offering pricey Win Mobile phones? | 15:15 |
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| Jartza | CosmoHill: yes :) | 15:16 |
| Jartza | http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/ | 15:16 |
| CosmoHill | so no cheap but decent phones that parents would buy the kids or a reasonably priced and featured phone for people who want a phone, not a MID | 15:17 |
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| Jartza | and in Finnish news they told that "If windows phone doesn't succeed it doesn't matter what we do" | 15:18 |
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| CosmoHill | way to concur a market | 15:19 |
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| Jartza | Elop is doing everything he can to play MeeGo out | 15:19 |
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| CosmoHill | on one hand you really want all your phones running one platform which makes application development easier since you have some system and binary for all phones | 15:20 |
| CosmoHill | if you have WinMob, MeeGo and Symbian you'll end up with Java | 15:21 |
| CosmoHill | and nobody wants that | 15:21 |
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| CosmoHill | MeeGo would make Nokia phones stand out from the market, Like HTC stand out because of their HTC Sense UX | 15:22 |
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| Jartza | True, but MeeGo has been left for "other players" | 15:30 |
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| iekku | waiting for those others in handset area | 15:32 |
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| CosmoHill | what we kinda need is people like LG or HTC to release easily hackable phones for developers to play with | 15:33 |
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| Jartza | I'm quite sure it's not enough | 15:38 |
| Jartza | what meego really needs is a handset manufacturer that releases a good meego handset | 15:38 |
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| Jartza | someine else than nokia | 15:38 |
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| CosmoHill | do you think Nokia would be pissed if someone else released a MeeGo phone in america and it did really well? | 15:41 |
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| iekku | CosmoHill, no, because windows phones are going to sell so great... | 15:46 |
| iekku | ahaahhahahahaaa | 15:46 |
| CosmoHill | I wonder how many mac users use windows mobile | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | actually consider also the x-box users | 15:47 |
| iekku | all of them, leaving their iphones... | 15:47 |
| thiago | all the zune users... | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, a proper meego product would not be a single device | 15:47 |
| iekku | ok, i don't say anything else, i'm too angry | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | I'd like a zune if it worked with mac and was avaiable outside of the US | 15:48 |
| lcuk | since meego is aimed towards multiple form factors etc | 15:48 |
| lcuk | the software should bring all those together | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: basically an MID with a car dock | 15:48 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you are still thinking of one device | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | true | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | if the incar system was connected with the handset was connected with the tablet | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | and we had concurrent management systems to deal with them it would be awesome | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | question: what would a meego game console be? is that the tv system? | 15:52 |
| lcuk | what games would it run? | 15:52 |
| CosmoHill | well for a start it couldn't play xbox or PS games | 15:53 |
| leinir | it's a meego base with a 10' Gluon Player UX ;) | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | it could in theory run any open source game with a controller | 15:53 |
| lcuk | leinir, heh | 15:54 |
| lcuk | well which games could be playable | 15:55 |
| CosmoHill | a TV should be powerful enough to run 2D games or simple 3D games where as a media server / centre box under the tv should be able to cope with higher demanding 3D games | 15:55 |
| leinir | lcuk: i'm not entirely joking here, by the way... we /do/ want to make a gluon player for TVs... and the logical choice would be to target that sort of thing | 15:55 |
| lcuk | leinir, so how do you define inputs, what controllers are feasible etc | 15:56 |
| lcuk | what spedc hardware is required? | 15:56 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, based on your estimates, 4d games should be playable on thee next gen hardware :P | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | the xbox 360 controller is supported under windows mac and linux with mac being the only one that requires the installation of drivers | 15:56 |
| lcuk | assume you are not going to borrow other controllers | 15:57 |
| lcuk | imagine nintendo telling people to buy sony controllers | 15:57 |
| leinir | lcuk: that's still not something we've really decided on - but for hardware, i'm personally thinking something like the trim slice as a base, and then an ssd or a harddrive for local game storage | 15:57 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: do you want to assume that they already have a console? if so PS3 controllers will work with usb | 15:58 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, I am thinking of a complete product | 15:59 |
| lcuk | OOTB you get set top box + controllers etc | 15:59 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, even so it might be an idea to support other controllers | 16:00 |
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| CosmoHill | that way you mates can come over and bring theirs | 16:00 |
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| CosmoHill | you okay there? | 16:02 |
| lcuk3 | nice | 16:03 |
| lcuk3 | seems I mention set top boxes and virgin media goes bonkers ;) | 16:03 |
| lcuk3 | I should say we have a delightful new tivo box here which arrived this morning ;) | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | do you have the super home hub? | 16:04 |
| lcuk3 | not that I know of | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | I've not heard good things about them / see my friend come and go on msn a lot | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | i heard they are garbage too | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | he says it works better if it's wired which kinda defeats it's purpose | 16:05 |
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| lcuk3 | leinir, do you have a list of the current gluon games? | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | ahh | 16:06 |
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| leinir | lcuk: Not really, no, we're working on the ability to simply show that on gamingfreedom.org :) | 16:07 |
| CosmoHill | it's a shame that with virgin media you can't just get a modem and use your own router...or that their internet / tech support sucks | 16:08 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you can | 16:08 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, I might tell my friend that, he might ask for his super home hub to be replaced | 16:08 |
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| janmalte_ | i still didn't get boot from usb working with meego tablet ux installed on my device | 16:22 |
| janmalte_ | any hints? | 16:22 |
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| janmalte_ | i have a different meego image burned on a stick and now want to boot the meego tablet running device from the stick | 16:23 |
| dm8tbr | janmalte_: exopc? | 16:25 |
| CosmoHill | people dont' seem to be having much luck with the exopc | 16:28 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: especially me, I don't have one | 16:33 |
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| GAN900 | berndhs, we're probably better off. | 16:34 |
| berndhs | well, perhaps | 16:34 |
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| GAN900 | I mean, the viewing angle alone makes it rather unworkable. | 16:36 |
| berndhs | it would just be nice to have a tablet-size touch screen thingy for development | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, ideapad | 16:37 |
| lcuk | but more than the device, *what* would you develop for it | 16:38 |
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| berndhs | me ? I would make my outdoor UI for it | 16:38 |
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| berndhs | the device itself is probably not too useful for outdoor usage, but that's not really the point | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, so start making it without the device | 16:40 |
| berndhs | I started a while ago | 16:41 |
| * lcuk recalls spending almost years building without specific large device | 16:41 | |
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| berndhs | it's a lot of work, but it has started | 16:41 |
| berndhs | most of the work doesn't depend on the device, sure | 16:41 |
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| GAN900 | It's no fun, though. | 16:46 |
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| berndhs | true, the good part is actually using what you make | 16:47 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: works OKish for me, installed WeTab, latest tablet 1.2.0.9 and ubuntu. | 16:47 |
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| janmalte_ | dm8tbr: yes, its a WeTab | 17:31 |
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| dm8tbr | janmalte_: I remember hearing that the upper usb port is preferred for booting, you still have to press the BBS button on the screen to get into the boot menu | 17:42 |
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| janmalte_ | dm8tbr: BBS button? I get into the extlinux boot menu, but nothing appears before | 17:54 |
| janmalte_ | can't i configur extlinux to boot from the stick? | 17:55 |
| dm8tbr | janmalte_: um, there should be two rectangles in the top right corner during boot | 17:55 |
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| dm8tbr | http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/07/14/update-your-exopc-part-2-how-install-image | 17:56 |
| dm8tbr | someone took the image already :) | 17:56 |
| janmalte_ | this doesn't appear | 17:57 |
| janmalte_ | thats the problem. looks like meego has ereased the boot sektors where this have been placed | 17:57 |
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| dm8tbr | janmalte_: that's bios | 17:58 |
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| janmalte_ | ok, so this can't be deleted/modified by meego install process? | 17:59 |
| dm8tbr | correct | 17:59 |
| dm8tbr | do you get the EXOPC logo during boot? | 17:59 |
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| janmalte_ | no, meego logo | 18:00 |
| dm8tbr | before that | 18:00 |
| janmalte_ | btw: its a wetab, so a wetab logo would appear | 18:00 |
| janmalte_ | no | 18:00 |
| dm8tbr | a real wetab? no idea if that has that | 18:00 |
| arfoll | on a real wetab there isn't anything that shows during BUIS | 18:01 |
| arfoll | s/BUIS/BIOS | 18:01 |
| janmalte_ | yes, its a real wetab | 18:01 |
| dm8tbr | janmalte_: http://wetab.mobi/developers/downloads-and-howtos/ | 18:01 |
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| dm8tbr | 3. Install new WeTab OS from USB stick | 18:01 |
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| arfoll | so once you put meego on, you'll get the meego logo straight away, if it's wetab OS you'll get the wetab logo | 18:02 |
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| janmalte_ | im trying, but didn't get it. so again the question, isn't there a way to configure syslinux/extlinux/ bootmanager to boot from usb stick? | 18:06 |
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| arfoll | janmalte_, did you not manage by holding the power + quickstart button + f11? | 18:08 |
| arfoll | you'll need a usb keyboard | 18:08 |
| janmalte_ | i do so, but it doesn't change anything | 18:08 |
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| arfoll | i'm confused mine worked like that... | 18:09 |
| janmalte_ | yes, its described like this on the wetab page and the meego page, but i get the syslinux boot prompt instalntly | 18:10 |
| janmalte_ | pressing the buttons doesn't change anything on this | 18:10 |
| janmalte_ | thats why i want to configure extlinux to boot from the usb stick | 18:11 |
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| topro_ | janmalte_: there is something like a lock mechanism in wetab bios to prevent installing other os then wetab-os. | 18:15 |
| janmalte_ | are you sure? i have meego tablet ux already running on it | 18:16 |
| topro_ | janmalte_: I am sure | 18:16 |
| topro_ | janmalte_: but there is said to be a workaround, manipulating bootsector of usb stick. use google with that information | 18:17 |
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| gandijee_ | hey, i installed meego 1.2.0.90 on my exoPC, now the touch screen has stopped working. | 18:47 |
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| gandijee_ | anyone have any ideas on why this might have happended? | 18:47 |
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| gandijee_ | and does the mouse not work inside of an installed version of tablet edition/ | 18:48 |
| andyross | gandijee_: which image did you install? I have an ExoPC with last week's (20110802 I think) pinetrail tablet image right next to me and the touchscreen works fine. | 18:49 |
| andyross | And mouse input works fine, it's just that the cursor isn't drawn. You can comment out the -nocursor option in /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch to see it again. | 18:50 |
| gandijee_ | i think its something wrong with this tablet in particular - after i installed meego 1.2.0.90 my TS totally stopped working - doesn't respond in BIOS either. | 18:50 |
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| andyross | Huh. That's new. Pretty sure the meego insaller doesn't flash the bios. :) Unfortunately there's no really good hard power cycle on those devices. You could try letting the battery drain all the way down I guess. | 18:51 |
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| gandijee_ | =/ | 18:52 |
| gandijee_ | so i check the firmware on the TS against another exoPC i have | 18:52 |
| gandijee_ | and the firmware is the same too | 18:52 |
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| andyross | Check lsusb from a console. Is the device present? | 18:53 |
| gandijee_ | yea | 18:53 |
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| gandijee_ | driver binds to it too, and i can use eUpgrade to check the firmware on the touchscreen | 18:53 |
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| janmalte_ | what is the latest tablet image? seems like the last one didn't build successfull | 19:14 |
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| dm8tbr | janmalte_: use one of the 1.2.0.x series | 19:15 |
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| janmalte_ | ok, found one. are all updates comming to this image too? zypper ref && zypper up will get the latest changes? | 19:19 |
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| gandijee_ | andyross: you know what firmware is on your touchscreen? | 19:21 |
| andyross | I don't, nor do I have the WeTab tools handy to check. | 19:21 |
| dm8tbr | janmalte_: see the exopc page, at least for me it exploded | 19:21 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC | 19:21 |
| dm8tbr | janmalte_: but then again it was before 1.2 was released | 19:22 |
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| andyross | janmalte_: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.12.20110809.2/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ is most current. I haven't run it yet, but last weeks is pretty good. | 19:24 |
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| andyross | The 1.2.80 series (pre-1.3) is still sort of a mess. Use the pre-1.2.1 stuff. | 19:24 |
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| janmalte_ | ok, thanks | 19:34 |
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| lcuk | andyross, the 1.3 stuff is where the bigger changes are happening anyway | 19:48 |
| lcuk | andyross, was it you near Manchester btw? | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: ping | 19:52 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: pong | 19:53 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: is it possible that in the COBS/Harmattan debian/rules is being invoked with make -jN where N > 1? | 19:54 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Yes. | 19:54 |
| javispedro | debian doesn't do this -- it breaks some packages | 19:55 |
| javispedro | e.g. configure target is run along the build target because they did not make build target depend on configure-stamp | 19:55 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I wonder. I think it runs with jobs = 4. | 19:57 |
| juliank | DawnFoster: Is there a chance for someone without an extraordinary idea to get an ExoPC from the device program (which lists 150 as available)? I don't have a tablet, but I'd like to test (more or less daily builds of) MeeGo Tablet UX (for general usability, bugs, etc), and enable the Broadcom Crystal HD ship for use in MeeGo (packaging the needed software). Any chance? | 19:57 |
| juliank | I currently have two months with nothing to do, so that would probably be useful for everyone. | 19:58 |
| iekku | juliank, nice spirit! | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | juliank, \o/ hope you get one, nice aims | 19:59 |
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| arfoll | juliank, libcrystalhd is allready packaged, but it could defaintely do with a cleanup + yamlifying :-) | 19:59 |
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| lynxis | if you are located in berlin - you can visit the c-base | 19:59 |
| juliank | lynxis: No, I'm in the middle of Germany, in Kassel. | 20:00 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: this log specifically mentions that "-jN was forced in submake" | 20:00 |
| lcuk | the c-base is one of the most awesome buildings in the whole of berlin | 20:00 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 20:01 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Will I see make -j3 too :) | 20:02 |
| X-Fade | *well | 20:02 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: as you can also see the main symptom is that "build" starts alongside configure, which quickly fails as configure did not finish, gives an error, and then make patiently waits for configure to finish before actually giving up | 20:03 |
| javispedro | it can be fixed by rearraging the debian/rules targets so that it works on parallel make, but the fact that I had to do that on several squeeze packages makes me believe Debian doesn't do it. | 20:03 |
| X-Fade | I guess MAKE env var gets set. | 20:03 |
| X-Fade | But I wonder why parallel make is an issue anyway. | 20:04 |
| X-Fade | Don't you want that? Configure should be a separate step anyway? | 20:04 |
| javispedro | the issue is that on debian/rules usually this appears: | 20:05 |
| javispedro | hm.. too long for irc, will pastebin. | 20:05 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: this is a snipper of debian/rules as it comes from SDL_ttf packaging | 20:14 |
| javispedro | note that I'm showing thsi one because it is quite simple, but it happens to other packages (Gtk+ for example) | 20:15 |
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| javispedro | it seems legit, but when invoked under parallel make, binary rule triggers binary-arch rule, which triggers build rule, which triggers configure-stamp and build-stamp rules | 20:16 |
| javispedro | _at the same time_ | 20:16 |
| javispedro | therefore, it forks ./configure and $(MAKE) at the same time | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | X-Fade: I have a collection of 3 GTK+ packages that all fail due to this (from Fremantle, Lenny and Ubuntu Hardy) | 20:17 |
| javispedro | obviously, what happens after this is "undefined behaviour". | 20:17 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, so we need to check why that happens. | 20:17 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Does it happen when you use the Debian target for openSUSE? | 20:18 |
| lcuk | \o thanks X-Fade | 20:19 |
| javispedro | I need to setup a new package for that :) | 20:19 |
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| M4rtinK2 | X-Fade: is the target listed on the add repository page ? | 20:20 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I can try to build the problematic GTK+ packages with it | 20:20 |
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| javispedro | M4rtinK2: yes, on your project page just hit Repositories, then add | 20:21 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: Use OpenSUSE: for that, we just link to their OBS. | 20:21 |
| javispedro | oh. | 20:21 |
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| M4rtinK2 | which version ? 11.4 ? | 20:21 |
| X-Fade | In advanced. | 20:21 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: No, wait. Let me check. You can select debian 6 for instance. | 20:21 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, lbt made a nice page for that. So just select Debian 6 :) | 20:24 |
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| M4rtinK2 | X-Fade: which archs ? only arm7el ? | 20:25 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: Doesn't really matter. i586 is probably faster. | 20:26 |
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| M4rtinK2 | hmm, looks like it doesn't have armv7el anyway | 20:26 |
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| javispedro | "building" | 20:27 |
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| M4rtinK2 | also :) | 20:28 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so that worked. | 20:29 |
| javispedro | nope | 20:29 |
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| javispedro | a moment, I think it's going to fail (from live build log) | 20:29 |
| X-Fade | for M4rtinK2 it did :) | 20:29 |
| javispedro | oh =) | 20:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, not yet | 20:30 |
| X-Fade | that is what the-boss tells me at least :) | 20:30 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I mean it started to build on the Debian 6 target | 20:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | still building various dependencies | 20:30 |
| javispedro | ah.. | 20:30 |
| javispedro | SDL_ttf failed already. | 20:30 |
| javispedro | same problem | 20:31 |
| javispedro | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=testsdl_ttf&project=home%3Ajavispedro&repository=Debian_6.0 | 20:31 |
| javispedro | heh. | 20:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | I'm waiting for atk1.0 to build, then it can start on the problematic GTK+ packages | 20:31 |
| javispedro | Should have Googled first, seems that this was discussed in April on the OBS list. | 20:32 |
| javispedro | quite a heated discussion btw... | 20:32 |
| javispedro | " | 20:32 |
| javispedro | It's fundamentally wrong imo to provide a service for | 20:32 |
| javispedro | Debian packages and not accept the Debian way and the | 20:32 |
| javispedro | Debian policy" | 20:32 |
| javispedro | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2011-04/msg00180.html | 20:32 |
| RST38h | bullshit... | 20:33 |
| javispedro | RST38h: if the policy says: "this is not run in parallel" (the rules file) and they do either way, well... I side with the Debianites here, this causes breakage. | 20:34 |
| RST38h | ah you mean on technical grounds...yes | 20:34 |
| X-Fade | I wonder if I can force it in the project config. | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | first GTK+ package failed | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | second GTK+ package failed :) | 20:36 |
| lbt | javispedro: useful link ... could explain the kdelibs thing too | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=gtk-hardy&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=Debian_6.0 | 20:37 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Do you think we can fix this by adding a macro to the prjconf? | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=gtk-lenny&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=Debian_6.0 | 20:37 |
| X-Fade | lbt: MeeGo has this: %_smp_mflags -j4 | 20:38 |
| javispedro | lbt: have logs? after a few packages that have failed this way I'm starting to become able to recognize that one pattern :) | 20:38 |
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| lbt | mmm | 20:38 |
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| javispedro | either way, so far the strategy I've been following is to fix the rules file. In simpler packages this is simple enough. | 20:39 |
| javispedro | However, after seeing the gtk+ debian/rules I think this approach quickly becomes unmanagable. | 20:39 |
| X-Fade | I'm trying to see if setting that macro helps. | 20:39 |
| lbt | I feel that we should be able to provide something that supplements it ... | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | what about just a "disable parallel build for this package" checkbox on the web interface + pointer to it from the wiki debugging section ? | 20:41 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: That is not a trivial thing. But .... patches welcome :D | 20:41 |
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| M4rtinK2 | or just some flag somewhere in the package config, then :) | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | for the record, the final GTK+ package also failed with the rules error | 20:44 |
| * javispedro has already grabbed popcorn while reading that ML thread | 20:44 | |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Your SDL succeeded now? | 20:44 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: no, did you change anything? no rebuilt was seemingly triggered | 20:45 |
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| javispedro | *rebuild | 20:45 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Ajavispedro%3ASDL&repo_harmattan=1&succeeded=1 | 20:45 |
| javispedro | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=testsdl_ttf&project=home%3Ajavispedro | 20:46 |
| javispedro | sorry for the confusion | 20:46 |
| javispedro | on my SDL subproject I fixed the packaging as said | 20:46 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Ah, but that one has no harmattan target? | 20:46 |
| javispedro | home:javispedro contains the 100% upstream (and broken) package | 20:46 |
| javispedro | no, only Debian6 | 20:46 |
| javispedro | I'll add it now | 20:47 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Where is the package that had issues then? :) | 20:47 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: M4rtinK2's Gtk+. | 20:47 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: U-M4k3-n0-z3nze!! :) | 20:47 |
| * javispedro tries to explain | 20:47 | |
| javispedro | I found the problem when uploading SDL_ttf to home:javispedro:SDL, workarounded it in debian/rules, and that is the one that is there. | 20:48 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so I changed something to the harmattan config. | 20:48 |
| X-Fade | So please, test that :) | 20:48 |
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| javispedro | ok. | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | X-Fade: its in home:MartinK:gtk | 20:48 |
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| M4rtinK2 | but looks like it is somehow blocked by the Debian target I added for the testing | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: It takes a while for a scheduler run to complete. | 20:50 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I have triggered rebuild in my seccondary repo (home:MartinK:harmattan) in the meantime | 20:52 |
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| X-Fade | COBS is quite busy atm :) | 20:53 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: btw, you can kill a mg-terminal job that is been around there for weeks | 20:54 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yeah, well I tried :) | 20:54 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: It is not running, just displaying. But yeah, annoying. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | heh. | 20:54 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, there.. gone. | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | Lingering file. | 20:56 |
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| javispedro | ah, excellent! ta! | 20:57 |
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| * javispedro is still reading that OBS ML thread and they're already discussion how dpkg installation speed sucks, etc. etc. | 20:58 | |
| lcuk | X-Fade, cobs has a great variety of stuff building at any one time | 20:58 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Oh yes, fun :) | 20:58 |
| lcuk | really like the irc interface on it | 20:58 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Well, that is true. It is slow :) | 20:58 |
| X-Fade | But we could try to play with libeatmydata. | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | OBS guy: "understanding this, I have commented out the parallel build parameter in | 20:59 |
| javispedro | build script again." | 20:59 |
| javispedro | weird. | 21:00 |
| X-Fade | I really need to get something to eat. I'll try to be back in a while. | 21:00 |
| javispedro | no hurries. | 21:00 |
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| M4rtinK2 | looks like it still fails: | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK2 | also in this log, tehre are a few potentially interesting lines: | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule. | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | followeb after a few lines by | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | /usr/bin/make -j4 -C /usr/src/packages/BUILD \ | 21:07 |
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| M4rtinK2 | ...and all the other GTK+ rebuilds crashed too, with the same rules errors like before :) | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | M4rtinK2: I'm eyeing that the gtk-lenny issue is a different one. on gtk-lenny you forgot about either depending on directfb or disabling it. | 21:22 |
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| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: hmm, I remember gutting it out | 21:28 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK2: you gutted out the build-depend, but you did not remove the directfb flavor | 21:29 |
| javispedro | from debian/rules | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: oh, OK, I'll fix that :) | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | thanks :) | 21:30 |
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| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: so I just turn FLAVORS := directfb shared static to FLAVORS := shared static | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | and that's it ? | 21:44 |
| javispedro | yep | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | nice ! :) | 21:44 |
| javispedro | you can also remove static, I don't think you're going to use it. | 21:44 |
| lcuk | mail from Brian | 21:44 |
| timoph | lcuk: you're not rioting? | 21:45 |
| lcuk | timoph, this is manchester | 21:45 |
| lcuk | its raining to hard hopefully | 21:45 |
| timoph | :) | 21:45 |
| lcuk | getting soaking wet through puts people off looting | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | timoph, its rly annoying though | 21:46 |
| javispedro | the rain? | 21:46 |
| lcuk | no, the rioting and upsets | 21:46 |
| timoph | does anyone actually know what triggered them? | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, welcome to the results of the welfare state. | 21:47 |
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| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: done, now rebuilding :) | 21:55 |
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| * timoph is pleased see a comment from LF regarding the apps thing | 22:03 | |
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| lcuk | timoph, yeah, communication helps with many things | 22:33 |
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| gtludwig | hi all | 22:56 |
| berndhs | howdy partnet | 22:56 |
| gtludwig | good, thanks, what about you? | 22:56 |
| berndhs | all is not lost yet. | 22:57 |
| gtludwig | good! hehe! I've a quick question: can meego run on a Nokia N800 NIT? | 22:57 |
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| jpwhiting | is there a way to retrieve or reset the password for build.meego.com? /me can't seem to get logged in | 22:58 |
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| ali1234 | gtludwig: no | 23:06 |
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| ali1234 | jpwhiting: maybe you want pub.build.meego.com? | 23:07 |
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| jpwhiting | ali1234: maybe, /me checks | 23:08 |
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| jpwhiting | build.pub.meego.com you mean? | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | oh, yeah, that | 23:08 |
| jpwhiting | lol, first try worked there, no wonder | 23:09 |
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| ali1234 | build.meego.com is only for ... well, i dunno, but not for the likes of us | 23:09 |
| jpwhiting | intel folks, etc. yep, gotcha | 23:09 |
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| gtludwig | ali1234, thanks! | 23:11 |
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| janmalte_ | Just want to say a big Thank You for MeeGo | 23:39 |
| janmalte_ | i started today playing with it on my WeTab/ExpoPC and really love the Tablet UX | 23:40 |
| lcuk | janmalte_, what outstanding thing did it do for you? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 23:40 |
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| janmalte_ | Just the missing apps are disturbing the great experience | 23:40 |
| niala | hello from croatia :) | 23:41 |
| janmalte_ | Rotating the browser :) It works much more smooth than on WetabOS | 23:41 |
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| janmalte_ | the panels and their setting on the bakcside | 23:41 |
| janmalte_ | all in all a great UI | 23:41 |
| niala | cosmohill | 23:42 |
| janmalte_ | hope the last glitches will be fixed soon and apps will come | 23:42 |
| janmalte_ | i realy see a great market for meego powered devices, if the marketing doesn't fail and all neccessary apps are available | 23:43 |
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| aergus | #pardus | 23:53 |
| the-boss | aergus: Error: "pardus" is not a valid command. | 23:53 |
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| jpwhiting | ali1234: any idea how to tel osc to use build.pub.meego.com instead of build.opensuse.org? | 23:54 |
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| ali1234 | yes, the first time you run it it creates ~/.osc or some similar named file | 23:54 |
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| ali1234 | you can edit the default URLs in there | 23:55 |
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| ali1234 | if the first time you run it you specify a URL then that is what gets written into the config file | 23:55 |
| jpwhiting | ah, .oscrc, gotcha | 23:57 |
| jpwhiting | it's set to opensuse, no wonder :) | 23:57 |
| arfoll | well they figured if they set it to build.meego.com it would only work 5/7 | 23:58 |
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| jpwhiting | no, it's set to opensuse because I looked into packaging stuff with obs for suse previously | 23:59 |
| jpwhiting | what's the url to use for build.pub.meego.com? just that with http:// in front? | 23:59 |
| jpwhiting | or https rather | 23:59 |
| berndhs | you can have 2 different addresses in .oscrc | 23:59 |
| arfoll | https://api.pub.meego.com | 23:59 |
| jpwhiting | berndhs: yep, adding a second one now | 23:59 |
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