| Umeaboy | Savago: Are you regged on the Wiki? | 00:00 |
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| Savago | 'regged'? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | i believe it is a hip term for registered ;) | 00:04 |
| pebcak | still noone at the cccamp or planning to go there? | 00:05 |
| lcuk | wht is cccamp? | 00:06 |
| pebcak | http://events.ccc.de/ | 00:06 |
| lcuk | pebcak, I thought most people were at the desktop summit, which is also happening in berlin now | 00:08 |
| Savago | Umeaboy, well, I'm registered for about 50 weeks or something in meego.com. | 00:08 |
| Savago | And tried to edit the wiki while logged in. | 00:08 |
| pebcak | lcuk only the lame ones... like lennart & co. :P | 00:08 |
| lcuk | pebcak, lol nope a lot of decent folks are there | 00:09 |
| pebcak | lcuk was joking | 00:09 |
| pebcak | hence the emoticon | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | i still wonder which simple day to day apps will work best across the broad spectrum of devices | 00:10 |
| berndhs | lcuk: ssh, I use it every day | 00:11 |
| pebcak | ssh -X -Y | 00:12 |
| Umeaboy | Savago: Lookup your user-rights, | 00:12 |
| pebcak | :P | 00:12 |
| Savago | Umeaboy, checking... | 00:12 |
| lcuk | berndhs, that is part of the problem with linux | 00:12 |
| lcuk | we spend time developing apps for us | 00:12 |
| lcuk | and geeks are a tiny part of whole ecosystem | 00:13 |
| berndhs | ssh is part of the solution | 00:13 |
| * lcuk would rather write apps for real people | 00:13 | |
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| berndhs | i'm as real as the simple folk :) | 00:13 |
| lcuk | you know what I mean | 00:13 |
| Savago | Umeaboy, the following tabs are available in My account: View, Edit, Notifications, OpenID, Track, File Browser, Mailing lists. | 00:13 |
| Savago | in which can I check the user-rights? | 00:13 |
| berndhs | ok, make a direct chat program, point to point, no servers | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, that is called talking | 00:14 |
| berndhs | or put an xmpp (jabber) server on your home server machine | 00:14 |
| * lcuk should do more of it | 00:14 | |
| berndhs | and, more importantly, make your home server available outside your home | 00:14 |
| berndhs | so your family can chat, update the calendar, etc. etc. when away | 00:15 |
| lcuk | berndhs, my home server now has lamp stack and the beginnings of proper sync stuff for the handwritten stuff | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | I am investigating how to do data sync properly | 00:15 |
| berndhs | right, a jabber server is straightforward to add | 00:15 |
| lcuk | but for joe bloggs | 00:16 |
| lcuk | this approach is not practical | 00:16 |
| berndhs | or you can run an IRC server | 00:16 |
| berndhs | pre-packaging jabber servers shouldn't be hard, but someone has to do it | 00:16 |
| lcuk | berndhs, technically I have this: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png | 00:17 |
| lcuk | but that is not quite what I need just yet, it does not have the downstream side | 00:17 |
| Umeaboy | Savago: Check #meego-devel & ask there. | 00:17 |
| Savago | Umeaboy, thanks. :-) | 00:18 |
| Myrtti | oggcamp on my birthday \o/ | 00:18 |
| berndhs | actually you can run a statusnet server at home too, and do private twitter-style messaging | 00:18 |
| pebcak | buddycloud! | 00:18 |
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| berndhs | they are over at #statusnet | 00:20 |
| lcuk | i don't want to add new technology, I just want to somehow get what I have working nicely and packaged up so it can be useful | 00:22 |
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| berndhs | so you need a shared update mechanism, and independet of that you need packaging | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, bit more than packaging, ovi and appup generally do not appreciate something != qt | 00:25 |
| lcuk | especially if I want client working on symbian too | 00:25 |
| * lcuk is learning qt | 00:25 | |
| lcuk | this juggling lark is crap | 00:26 |
| berndhs | well, you need to pack the whole thing into rpm/deb, and include a decent installation method and setupp | 00:26 |
| lcuk | I shall go offline and come back with a plan | 00:26 |
| lcuk | in deb form its there, I have it installed on all home machines nicely | 00:26 |
| lcuk | as I have had for years | 00:26 |
| berndhs | i'm guessint the simple-people setup isn't there yet | 00:26 |
| lcuk | the network aspect eludes me always | 00:27 |
| lcuk | what I can do here between my set of machines | 00:27 |
| lcuk | I know my mum couldnt do, for reasons of skill and compatability with devices | 00:27 |
| lcuk | in time gone by, I would assign tasks to other members of team | 00:28 |
| lcuk | in open source there is no real method to do such things | 00:28 |
| lcuk | bbl got some stuff to write | 00:32 |
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| CosmoHill | SpeedEvil: http://bash.org/?701644 | 01:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Old. | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that was ##linux | 01:48 |
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| CosmoHill | I throw my k800i at the floor and the battery came out | 02:15 |
| CosmoHill | but it was still displaying the time for 30 seconds after until I put my battery back in and restarted it | 02:15 |
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| CosmoHill | Tue Aug 9 00:16:57 BST 2011 | 02:16 |
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| MSM1 | Just as I thought | 02:17 |
| MSM1 | An Andriod | 02:17 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:30 |
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| berndhs | guys this is not good http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ie=UTF8&ll=51.536086,-0.056305&spn=0.39294,0.630341&z=10&source=embed | 03:55 |
| sofar | and maps like that will really help | 03:57 |
| * sofar suggests #meego-bar | 03:57 | |
| berndhs | k | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | berndhs: It's not. | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | berndhs: It should be over openstreetmap. | 04:01 |
| berndhs | that too | 04:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | People are actually fixing openstreetmap based on reports. | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, deleting pubs. | 04:05 |
| berndhs | i tried making a app with openstreetmap, couldn't get it to create a useful map fast enough | 04:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | You mean drawing vector data? | 04:37 |
| berndhs | collecting all the small bits into streets and highways | 04:37 |
| berndhs | the drawing was not a problem, but building useful objects from the small parts is really expensive | 04:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | You mean you're rendering from the data onto a live view? | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Rendering isn't a trivial problem, no. | 04:41 |
| berndhs | i was trying to do routing, so I needed to connect all the streets and highways | 04:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | That gets complex, fast. | 04:42 |
| berndhs | and figuring out all the connections was O(n^3) or something | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | A* sort-of helps | 04:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | That sort of approach | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | And if you can assume that the problem reduces to 'get on the nearest motorway/freeway' | 04:43 |
| berndhs | yes perhaps, its not simple | 04:43 |
| berndhs | but n is really big for longer routes | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Preprocessing the atas is almost mandatory. | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | data | 04:43 |
| berndhs | yes that was my impression, you probably need to pre-compute the routing database | 04:44 |
| gabrbedd | Women are O(N^N) | 04:44 |
| berndhs | yeah that's why I stick to algorithms, women are too complex | 04:44 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a 'constant time' joke, but backs off. | 04:45 | |
| gabrbedd | SpeedEvil: I'm getting O(1). But women still turn me O(n) | 04:47 |
| berndhs | women turn on me | 04:48 |
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| flailingmonkey | gabrbedd: you're getting O(1)? i thought you were still with n*0(1) | 04:51 |
| flailingmonkey | (really stretching it there) | 04:52 |
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| gabrbedd | flailingmonkey: :-) | 04:56 |
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| TSCHAKeee | flailingmonkey: NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 05:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 05:10 |
| flailingmonkey | hehehe | 05:10 |
| flailingmonkey | :D | 05:10 |
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| flailingmonkey | so the exopc has some weirdness about the bluetooth adapter | 05:23 |
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| flailingmonkey | i did get it recognized for a moment | 05:23 |
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| peterbjornx | hello | 12:01 |
| peterbjornx | is there any way to install a UX to the terminal only chroot images for n900 | 12:02 |
| peterbjornx | *well not really terminal only but TWM + Xterm isnt much of an UI for a phone | 12:02 |
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| peterbjornx | anyone wanna help me on this? | 12:05 |
| peterbjornx | i dont care if i have to compile it myself | 12:05 |
| iekku | peterbjornx, try #meego-arm? | 12:06 |
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| Venemo | peterbjornx, I think you can install any UX with zypper | 12:09 |
| Venemo | peterbjornx, you may have to configure uxlaunch manually. | 12:09 |
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| dm8tbr | or use aard's ux-selector :) | 12:19 |
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| peterbjornx | ok | 12:21 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:30 |
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| lcuk | morning Jaffa \o | 12:32 |
| peterbjornx | morning | 12:32 |
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| peterbjornx | venemo, im sorry to bug you but, what package to install for handset ux? | 12:35 |
| Venemo | peterbjornx, I've no idea what the packages are called. maybe meegotouch-* | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | peterbjornx, this might help somewhat: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 12:38 |
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| peterbjornx | thanks | 12:40 |
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| rcherian | hi veskuh, | 13:32 |
| veskuh | hi | 13:33 |
| rcherian | could you put the patch to upstream as well for But 15407 ? | 13:33 |
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| rcherian | veskuh, ^ | 13:33 |
| veskuh | yes, I've submitted it to upstream | 13:33 |
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| veskuh | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-sms/merge_requests/2 | 13:34 |
| rcherian | ok thanks | 13:34 |
| rcherian | veskuh, | 13:34 |
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| CosmoHill | the UK riots are just depressing | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | indeed | 13:41 |
| CosmoHill | who needs terrorists when you have "young people" | 13:41 |
| slaine | What's good to see though is stuff like #riotcleanup trending on Twitter | 13:42 |
| slaine | and people volunteering their time to help out those affected | 13:43 |
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| CosmoHill | I saw that on the BBC | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | #meego-meeting in just a few minutes: 11:00 N900 Community Edition Team Meetings | 13:59 |
| the-boss | lcuk: Error: "meego-meeting" is not a valid command. | 13:59 |
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| lbt_hel | I guess I missed the CO meeting | 14:50 |
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| iekku | ? | 14:50 |
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| iekku | how come? | 14:50 |
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| lbt_hel | wasn't it 2.50 ago ? | 14:50 |
| iekku | 14 UTC | 14:51 |
| iekku | so there's still 2h before it starts | 14:52 |
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| html | what starts? | 14:54 |
| html | and hi | 14:54 |
| lcuk | hi html | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | do you leave the channel if /html joins? | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | lbt_hel, \o | 14:54 |
| lcuk | you just got the tailend of the n900 community meeting | 14:55 |
| html | i am he | 14:55 |
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| lbt_hel | ah | 14:55 |
| iekku | what happens here? | 14:55 |
| html | lcuk, i am he , | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | iekku, I thought you were regular here | 14:56 |
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| html | i used to | 14:56 |
| lcuk | lbt_hel, i solved simple shopfloor multi device layout issue I think | 14:56 |
| lcuk | ie make all the meego devices show part of same screen | 14:57 |
| html | lcuk, way back when this was called moblin | 14:57 |
| lcuk | without cameras and stuff | 14:57 |
| html | i was | 14:57 |
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| html | i think so | 14:57 |
| iekku | lcuk, i have just been in vacation, get married etc, you can't wait that i'm in very sharp condition :P | 14:59 |
| html | its been since like what veersion .9 to 1.06 since then , and i forget how to get it to work , and how to install it , and change .img it to a .iso | 14:59 |
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| html | well how do i set up meego on a netbook? | 15:04 |
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| html | use a flash drive ? | 15:05 |
| iekku | https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 15:05 |
| iekku | ? | 15:05 |
| html | how do i get the img to be a iso | 15:06 |
| html | ? | 15:06 |
| timoph | rename it :) | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | "html" is an odd nick | 15:09 |
| Clint | is it? | 15:10 |
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| html | my full is html_inprogress | 15:10 |
| iekku | i prefer my name | 15:10 |
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| slaine | html, I don't recognize your nick from the moblin days. | 15:13 |
| html | well i rember you | 15:13 |
| slaine | Either way, the process is still the same, download the image, write it to the usb drive | 15:13 |
| html | remember you | 15:14 |
| slaine | I think the .img can be burned to CD but I haven't installed from CD in …. I forget, it's been a while | 15:14 |
| slaine | html: cool. Why do you need to use an ISO btw ? | 15:14 |
| CosmoHill | the .img can be burnt to a DVD (it's 1GB) | 15:14 |
| CosmoHill | you normally need to rename it from .img to .iso so that software will recognise it | 15:15 |
| slaine | man, I'm hungry | 15:16 |
| slaine | I should probably get some lunch, but not sure what to get | 15:16 |
| CosmoHill | food | 15:16 |
| iekku | slaine, pizza | 15:16 |
| slaine | that's a good start | 15:16 |
| slaine | iekku: I don't eat bread of any sort, so pizza would just be tomato and cheese soup ;) | 15:17 |
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| slaine | soup, hmmm, perhaps | 15:17 |
| iekku | slaine, kebab! | 15:17 |
| slaine | thought of that, the nearest kebab place closes on a tuesday for some reason | 15:18 |
| iekku | :( | 15:18 |
| slaine | I'll take a wander and see what I can see | 15:18 |
| slaine | laters | 15:18 |
| iekku | maybe they are hunting the kebabanimals on tuesday | 15:18 |
| html | well i like to have it so i can use it with aka: xboot, yumi, easy 123 installer, so i can use it to try out on my gf nettop , and iso is tha only way the apps im useing well use it,, and in the latter part i hope to assamble the best os in the catorgory to have a all in one , on a hard drive using a muliti-boot,,, | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, contacts sync stuff | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | would a web service to push and store your contacts (but not trying to be anything more) be useful? | 15:33 |
| slaine | html: but if you put it on a USB device, you can use it without installing or messing up your gf's nettop | 15:34 |
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| html | i know that , but thats the hard thing | 15:36 |
| html | getting it there | 15:36 |
| lcuk | bbiab | 15:37 |
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| iekku | html, how come? | 15:37 |
| slaine | html, what OS are you working from | 15:38 |
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| html | ubuntu 10.10 remix ,ms 7 starter | 15:39 |
| html | linux is what im on now | 15:40 |
| slaine | and what is the blocker with creating the the usb disk ? | 15:40 |
| slaine | you'd just have to use sudo dd if=/path/to/meego.img of=/dev/<usb_flash> | 15:41 |
| slaine | That would boot and run the live env faster than a DVD | 15:41 |
| arfoll | add bs=1M that dd cmd | 15:42 |
| iekku | i think the introduction for adding a image to the usb is good, even i can do that | 15:42 |
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| slaine | arfoll: I find 2M works better | 15:43 |
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| slaine | depends on the usb flash drive you're using I guess | 15:44 |
| arfoll | slaine, always 3.14 for me... | 15:44 |
| slaine | :) | 15:44 |
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| html | " bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' | 15:46 |
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| Venemo | ~seen lcuk | 15:56 |
| infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 18m 58s ago, saying: 'bbiab'. | 15:56 |
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| slaine | html, I'm guessing that's a cut'n'paste error | 16:01 |
| slaine | arfoll: something that's not clear to me, Are the MeeGoTV WG meetings private ? | 16:01 |
| arfoll | they're phone meetings so yes. but meeting notes are public and open to comments | 16:02 |
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| andre__ | slaine, see the answer you've got at http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-tv/2011-August/000092.html ? | 16:04 |
| andre__ | slaine, you could ask how to join the phone meeting. I'd be curious for the answer. | 16:04 |
| arfoll | andre__, answer is going to be join the WG. And well the answer to that is get 'nominated' | 16:05 |
| slaine | andre__, arfoll It doesn't mention if they're private or public, just that they are held via the phone. Early discussions iirc, where that it was easier for the people involved in the WG if they where held over the phone as IRC wasn't something they'd be used to | 16:05 |
| andre__ | arfoll, why should I have to join something just to lurk around at its meetings? | 16:06 |
| slaine | If they're private then I guess we're screwed | 16:06 |
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| GAN900 | What's private? | 16:06 |
| Termana | Something tells me that they are private | 16:07 |
| arfoll | slaine, well ask ahead, i'd be interested in the response too | 16:07 |
| Termana | GAN900, TV Working Group phone conference | 16:07 |
| GAN900 | lol | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | TVs aren't phones! | 16:08 |
| arfoll | GAN900, thanks for your insight | 16:08 |
| andre__ | slaine: if you don't ask how to join via phone, I might do it. | 16:08 |
| iekku | slaine, please ask again? | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | Working groups are the corporate end | 16:09 |
| slaine | I've asked again | 16:09 |
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| GAN900 | I don't think there's any requirement that their processes be public. | 16:09 |
| slaine | I'm not saying there is | 16:09 |
| arfoll | GAN900, I don't think anyone is complaining, we're asking if we can join | 16:09 |
| slaine | I'm asking for clarification on if we can get involved or not, that's all | 16:09 |
| Termana | And if we can't join | 16:09 |
| Termana | Then we'll complain | 16:10 |
| Termana | just you watch | 16:10 |
| slaine | lol | 16:10 |
| iekku | :D | 16:10 |
| arfoll | i believe IVI wg meetings are closed too | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | Save yourself trouble and start complaining right away | 16:10 |
| slaine | Thats probably a good reason to keep them private, it'll keep Termana out | 16:10 |
| iekku | arfoll, i think that too | 16:10 |
| Termana | slaine, heh :p | 16:10 |
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| iekku | slaine, nice one | 16:12 |
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| arfoll | slaine, looks good sources are in http://build.meego.com/project/show?project=devel%3Atv%3A1.2 | 16:19 |
| arfoll | but i'll let it be heard on record | 16:20 |
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| DawnFoster | Community Office meeting starting in 15 minutes in #meego-meeting http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 16:43 |
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| timoph | oh. almost forgot about it. thanks for the reminder DawnFoster | 16:47 |
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| timoph | lcuk: so this was just a publicity stunt :) | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | timoph, not by a long shot. | 17:42 |
| timoph | :D | 17:42 |
| arfoll | i propose banning access to apps.meego.com from the US... | 17:46 |
| arfoll | lawyers ruining meego... | 17:47 |
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| timoph | yep. I never stops to amaze me how free sw becomes non-free by crossing the atlantic | 17:48 |
| timoph | i/it | 17:48 |
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| arfoll | must be the freedom the sw gains by crossing... | 17:49 |
| timoph | :) | 17:50 |
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| Texrat | time for the after meeting party!!! | 18:00 |
| qgil | lbt_away: just a thing after the meeting discussion on apps.formeego.org | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: He's on his way to the airport. | 18:00 |
| qgil | we still haven't got an official statement from the LF but this is the MeeGo project and we have seen the opinions in the meeting of DawnFoster and bdub | 18:01 |
| Texrat | X-Fade how the hell are ya buddy | 18:01 |
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| Texrat | hey wazd | 18:01 |
| qgil | to me they count as just as good, or even better since these are the people in charge of the MeeGo project areas that overlap apps.formeego.org | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | qgil: It still feels like we are forking. | 18:02 |
| qgil | I was glad to see their comments supporting the initiative, so that's it | 18:02 |
| qgil | X-Fade: feelings are subjective ;) | 18:02 |
| Texrat | qgil your efforts are really appreciated | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Oh yes. | 18:02 |
| Texrat | not sure you know how much ;) | 18:03 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: as I said, I believe people will understand much better the community apps catalog once they see it up & running for a year or so | 18:03 |
| qgil | I don't see the problem | 18:03 |
| qgil | (apart from the funding, which seems not to be a short term issue but will be a big mid term issue in future years if nobody else steps in) | 18:04 |
| Texrat | the *only* potential issue as I see it will be discoverability of *.formeego.com, and as a noisy community we can solve that :D | 18:04 |
| slaine | I'm seeing in the same light as rpmfusion for Fedora | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I tend to not see problems, but this has left me thinking if it is still worth it. | 18:04 |
| qgil | but this is the problem of sustainability any community project has to face - no news | 18:04 |
| slaine | So long as there's an easy way to get the repo onto the device, we'll be ok | 18:04 |
| Texrat | exactly slaine | 18:04 |
| qgil | bringing OSS community apps developed by the community for the community and for pure end users is worth it, I think | 18:05 |
| timoph | yep | 18:05 |
| slaine | And if there's not, they probably wouldn't have enabled apps.meego.com anyway | 18:05 |
| Texrat | (I think my microphone is off) | 18:05 |
| lcuk | i quite admire the n950 ability to install .debs directly from browser :) | 18:05 |
| slaine | qgil: +1 | 18:05 |
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| arfoll | i'd rather it installed rpms from the the browser but we can setlle | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: it will be posted prominently on the apps page, so visibility shouldn't be an issue | 18:05 |
| Texrat | lcuk absolutely-- I have been testing that at my-meego.com | 18:05 |
| lcuk | apps.formeego.com/store.deb | 18:05 |
| lcuk | for instance | 18:06 |
| Texrat | thanks DawnFoster, but it extends to slaine' | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | But if the biggest corporate sponsor of MeeGo would "prefer" us to use AppUp; and - officially - Nokia makes it more enticing and easier for developers to target Ovi; apps.formeego.org is really only useful if it's going to be used. | 18:06 |
| Texrat | slaine's point about repos too | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | I don't know if I'd use it if I was a new developer coming to MeeGo/Harmattan when the steer is so clearly elsewhere :-/ | 18:06 |
| qgil | most of these questions can be seen differently when looked from the point of view of each MeeGo device appearing in the market | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | Harmattan making it easy to install standalone debs contributes the same way | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: I'd just like to point out that that isn't what I said (in case you were quoting me) | 18:07 |
| Texrat | the only issue I have with my-meego.com is lack of obvious QA... download Solitaire app to get an idea | 18:07 |
| html | qgil, im not total sure what you mean but it sounds good , since people make alot of apps , hard to know about something when there no avertasment | 18:07 |
| qgil | how can apps.formeego.org be useful to WeTab users, Asus netbook users, N9 users...? etc | 18:07 |
| timoph | Jaffa: at least I prefer something that lets me target x86 and arm | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: No, I know. | 18:07 |
| Texrat | html as a community we can solve advertisement issues | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | timoph: Indeed. Multiple targets is the big selling point. | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: just being clear to avoid anyone misunderstanding | 18:07 |
| qgil | html: have great apps in that catalog and you will see how word spreads | 18:08 |
| Jaffa | Texrat: my-meego.com will suffer the same problems as my-maemo.com. It's dangerous and should be watched carefully. | 18:08 |
| Texrat | agreed Jaffa | 18:08 |
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| Jaffa | Texrat: my-maemo.com always links straight to the latest version which is in -devel. Users think they've found a treasure trove (and the site design is hideous, but that's aesthetic ;-)) | 18:08 |
| arfoll | has anyone tried to sell apps.*meego.com to wetab? They have an OBS for community apps with a target, it could be a good starting point to get an, albeit small, real vendor using the repo | 18:08 |
| Texrat | Jaffa my-meego.com *could* induce meego FUD if too many poor apps are available | 18:08 |
| html | Texrat, i mean aka " tv giude like" | 18:09 |
| chouchoune | would possibly Appup or Ovi stores act as proxying formeego.com apps (for thjeir own architecture only, of course) | 18:09 |
| Texrat | html well, let's solve that | 18:09 |
| Jaffa | arfoll: They're an obvious sponsoring candidate. | 18:09 |
| * lcuk still feels scope for a meego Mall | 18:09 | |
| qgil | this is why the apps.formeego.org community QA process is one of its best kept secrets ;) | 18:09 |
| Texrat | lol qgil | 18:09 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: btw, as forMeeGo com won't be allowed to carry any official MeeGo artwork... I hear you have some connections, any chance to get some things going for that? | 18:09 |
| Texrat | dm8tbr not sure what you mean... that may require separate conversation | 18:10 |
| timoph | qgil: actually that should be ironed out *before* the thing goes live | 18:10 |
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| Texrat | dm8tbr I have same connections you do pretty much ;) | 18:10 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: yes, I'm trying to start one, but we can continue that topic whenever you fell like it | 18:10 |
| chouchoune | why not an "allow partner app stores" in forMeego to automatically submit to Ovi/Appup ? | 18:10 |
| Texrat | dm8tbr just afraid details would get buried here | 18:11 |
| chouchoune | (if these agree) | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: The message (from both Nokia and Intel) generally is that their own app stores are the way to go. It's only at the project level that folks like yourself and qgil are encouraging of the community-led approach. That's perfectly commercially understandable - as you pointed out | 18:11 |
| lcuk | chouchoune, that is a nice idea | 18:11 |
| qgil | timoph: of course, and if you notice I've been advocating on spending more time on practical issues like "community QA process" instead of why the LF this, how the software patents that, etc | 18:11 |
| html | Texrat, its a common and very annoying problem with all of linux, and it has a anti- newbbie effect,,,, | 18:11 |
| Texrat | dm8tbr would prefer special dialog about that | 18:11 |
| lcuk | the highest quality apps on formeego could get extra coverage | 18:11 |
| chouchoune | lcuk: thanks ;) | 18:11 |
| Texrat | agreed html... part of my perosnal mission is to overcome that | 18:11 |
| dm8tbr | chouchoune: that is actually a good idea | 18:11 |
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| timoph | qgil: I'm not completely on page with the latest community QA discussion. could you point me somewhere where I could get up to speed? | 18:12 |
| Texrat | html that's exactly why I started MeeGo Greeters... we can borrow from that for other purposes | 18:12 |
| lcuk | of course that also allows for an "this app is originally available on formeego" in the description | 18:12 |
| qgil | apps.formeego.org also needs to look for the reason and justification of its existance e.g. before maemo.org/downloads was useful because Ovi would not accept individual developers - now this has changed | 18:12 |
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| dm8tbr | chouchoune: and that is something where Intel and Nokia could see value for their app stores, once something is gone through apps.formeego it should be less work to take it to appup or ovi | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | timoph: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/QA & meego-community (IIRC) | 18:12 |
| Texrat | Oh I have an announcement to make: | 18:13 |
| timoph | Jaffa: thanks | 18:13 |
| Texrat | I will be interviewing again soon with a certain Finnish cell phoen company | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | timoph: No-one argued with them, so I assume they're well on their way to being implemented - modulo any pauses from X-Fade et al caused by apps.meego.com confusion | 18:13 |
| qgil | timoph: I could point you to the lack of discussion ;) Jaffa has been pushing this in the recent past and I bet he welcomes help | 18:13 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: :) | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | Texrat: Traitor (congrats ;-)) | 18:13 |
| dm8tbr | Texrat: going to work for benefon? ;) | 18:13 |
| chouchoune | lcuk: dm8tbr : yes, and I see it also as providing less duplicates, if someone tries to install the app from Appup and forMeego | 18:13 |
| Texrat | lol dm8tbr | 18:13 |
| Texrat | no, hopefully in IT for Nokia-- the one area so far immune from business changes :D | 18:14 |
| timoph | qgil: I'll have a look and think about it a bit and start making noise :) | 18:14 |
| qgil | ok, now I have to go through 100 cadidates to get N950 to bring more OSS to apps.formeego.org... ;) | 18:14 |
| Texrat | qgil we may be colleagues again soon ;) | 18:14 |
| jedix | no n9 in canada? sad. | 18:14 |
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| html | Texrat, telll me more. pleasee.. | 18:14 |
| Texrat | qgil we need to talk about that review process... separate conversation? | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | timoph: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2011-May/001368.html | 18:14 |
| * thiago is waiting for the N9 to go on sales | 18:14 | |
| Texrat | html about what | 18:15 |
| thiago | hopefully it will be soon | 18:15 |
| qgil | Texrat: yes, separate.. and once the current 300 are on their way please | 18:15 |
| * dm8tbr wants to order the N9 as his business phone | 18:15 | |
| Jaffa | thiago: Seen http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/ ? :-( | 18:15 |
| * thiago isn't in america | 18:15 | |
| Texrat | qgil I'm trying to help you with current 50 N950s but we need to talk | 18:15 |
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| Texrat | qgil should I email you? | 18:16 |
| qgil | Texrat: I really plan to get a friend for the 15 remaining devices - if you have any input please let me know asap | 18:16 |
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| Texrat | ok qgil | 18:17 |
| arfoll | people seen this? http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/ | 18:17 |
| qgil | thanks Texrat | 18:17 |
| * thiago can travel to Finland to get the N9 | 18:17 | |
| Texrat | qgil did you see the concern about the wiki entries being deleted? | 18:17 |
| Texrat | thiago get one for me too buddy :D | 18:17 |
| thiago | arfoll: and if you read the text, you see Engadget missed one word in the header: "yet" | 18:18 |
| * slaine pictures thiago getting stopped at customer with a bag full of N9's | 18:18 | |
| qgil | Texrat: yes, of course I saw that | 18:18 |
| arfoll | thiago, well its speculative news as always... | 18:18 |
| Jaffa | thiago: C'mon, that's pretty standard corporate speak for "we have no plans" - which means it ain't gonna happen without a decision being changed. | 18:18 |
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| slaine | Stops it competing with the WP7 phone when they ship it | 18:18 |
| arfoll | ^ or delay it so they can have the N10 as the high end WP phone | 18:19 |
| slaine | they'll limit the choice to WP7 devices in key markets that they want to claw back market share | 18:19 |
| thiago | Jaffa: there's a certain amount of devices that can be produced per unit of time | 18:19 |
| thiago | so the company decides where to send the first units | 18:19 |
| radiofree | there's always the internet as well, you can buy online these days :) | 18:19 |
| thiago | it has happened before, with other devices | 18:19 |
| Texrat | thiago I've seen how fast the Nokia phones are cranked out ;) | 18:20 |
| jedix | but if you buy on the net, you have to make sure the phoen you buy will be compatible with your carrier | 18:20 |
| Texrat | jedix if they're unlocked it's just a matter of bands, which are public knowledge | 18:21 |
| jedix | yeah | 18:21 |
| jedix | I wouldn't be surprised if the Canada bands are ignored | 18:22 |
| Texrat | pity of course for anyone stuck on CDMA ;) | 18:22 |
| chouchoune | another probklem is, where to buy (even online) | 18:22 |
| Texrat | jedix I doubt that | 18:22 |
| chouchoune | Nokia has regional warranty I think | 18:22 |
| Texrat | good point chouchoune that can be an issue | 18:22 |
| Texrat | so buy at your own risk | 18:22 |
| chouchoune | I had that issue after buying my N900 in Dubai ;) | 18:23 |
| Texrat | there was a lOT of that | 18:23 |
| arfoll | who wants to be any N9 at nokia care will be swapped for a WP? | 18:23 |
| thiago | Texrat: I know. But I also know the expected volume for the N9 (information several months old) | 18:23 |
| chouchoune | it was a warranty in the Gulf region only | 18:23 |
| Texrat | arfoll broken N900s are now swapped for N8s ;) | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | Or E7s | 18:23 |
| Texrat | yeah | 18:24 |
| Texrat | kinda random | 18:24 |
| timoph | or even C6s | 18:24 |
| Texrat | ack | 18:24 |
| arfoll | Texrat, thats what i was refering to | 18:24 |
| timoph | (heard about that earlier today) | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Thanks for the meeting - I got a lot out of that, but didn't get to ask my AOB question about governance processes for the Project | 18:24 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: yeah, we didn't have time for aob | 18:25 |
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| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Got distracted by colleagues asking work questions anyway about some enhancement they're working on | 18:26 |
| arfoll | slaine, you saw the answer? Can't say i'm surprised | 18:26 |
| slaine | arfoll: Yeah, good answer | 18:26 |
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| slaine | sorry, irc client fail | 18:28 |
| slaine | arfoll: yes, it was a good answer | 18:28 |
| slaine | (not sure if that went through) | 18:28 |
| arfoll | slaine, yeah it did | 18:28 |
| arfoll | you going to try join? | 18:29 |
| slaine | ok, i'm off | 18:29 |
| slaine | arfoll: not sure, WG seems to be industry related | 18:29 |
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| slaine | I'll probably try and just be more pro-active at a community contribution level | 18:29 |
| arfoll | yeah i'm not to sure there is much point as a community member. I hope they get us some FOSS GStreamer dvb* sources though | 18:30 |
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| slaine | ok, commute time | 18:31 |
| slaine | laters | 18:31 |
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| Texrat | gotta get back to work, later all. Should be interviewing at Nokia again next week. :) | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Good luck. | 18:33 |
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| timoph | Jaffa: no wonder I missed the ml conversation on the QA since it happened in meego-sdk :/ | 18:44 |
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| Jaffa | timoph: Affects app developers; that's what -sdk is for - although you're right, could do with more visibility | 18:58 |
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| timoph | Jaffa: I'll post some thoughts about it to -community and reference the original discussion | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | anybody know how the desktop summit is going? | 19:57 |
| lcuk | and whether any cool cross platform apps have been announced ? | 19:57 |
| Jartza | I just noticed that we've had a huge sexual liberation in Finland within the last few years | 20:01 |
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| Jaffa | timoph: oThanks, replied | 20:01 |
| Jartza | 2-3 years ago most of my friends told that iPhone is for homosexuals | 20:01 |
| Jartza | nowadays most of my friends have an iPhone... | 20:02 |
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| Venemo_N950 | Jartza, have they become homosexuals? | 20:03 |
| Jartza | I haven't asked | 20:03 |
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| Jartza | I just jumped into conclusions :) | 20:04 |
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| berndhs | not that there's anything wrong with that | 20:07 |
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| M4rtinK2 | NICE! just got modRana running on the N950 :) | 20:10 |
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| M4rtinK2 | with PyGTK :) | 20:10 |
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| Venemo_N950 | M4rtinK2, what is modRana | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | Venemo_N950: http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools#modRana | 20:13 |
| M4rtinK2 | a GPS navigation system | 20:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | can't open the link, sorry | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | it isn't highlighted, nor can I select text :( | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | I have to implement either of those in my irc client | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | project website is: http://www.modrana.org | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | and there is a lively thread on talk.maemo.org | 20:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 20:17 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok, I'll look at it | 20:17 |
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| GAN900 | Jartza, please tweet that. | 20:27 |
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| Jartza | GAN900: I don't use twitter :P | 20:34 |
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| GAN900 | Jartza, then register just to tweet that. | 20:34 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, desktop summit is going well, but what should be cross platform apps? | 20:38 |
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| andre__ | (missed the Community Office meeting as the network was down, as usual at conferences) | 20:39 |
| lcuk | andre__, apps which help keep your mobile and household updated | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | like the calendar etc | 20:39 |
| andre__ | lcuk, maybe in talks that I didn't attend. :-P | 20:39 |
| lcuk | with more and more desktops getting touchscreens | 20:39 |
| lcuk | andre__, well what good stuff have you seen? | 20:40 |
| andre__ | calendar? I cannot imagine to have that cross-desktop with backends like akonadi and evo-data-server... | 20:40 |
| andre__ | lcuk, I saw how to make a toaster from scratch by starting to search for copper in old mines | 20:40 |
| andre__ | that was the most interesting talk. | 20:40 |
| andre__ | (what I wanted to express: *really* from scratch) | 20:40 |
| lcuk | haha nice | 20:41 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, but apart from that, probably look out for #desktopsummit and #ds2011 on the microblogging services, or read planet kde and planet gnome... | 20:41 |
| lcuk | andre__, difference between imagining and have a friendly set of apps which end users can configure etc | 20:41 |
| thiago | andre__: it wasn't down for me, but it was disconnecting too often | 20:42 |
| lcuk | andre__, I have been doing | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, could someone help me with QMainWindows? | 20:42 |
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| andre__ | thiago, at least for my N900 it didn't work at all today | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Can I have more than one in my app? If not, how can I safely swap content in the same QMainWindow? | 20:42 |
| thiago | my laptop had to try for 5 minutes before it associated | 20:42 |
| andre__ | thiago, urgh | 20:42 |
| thiago | the N900 isn't that patient | 20:42 |
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| andre__ | and my little N900 is not as strong as your big laptop :-( | 20:43 |
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| weggi_ | RST38h: see http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qmainwindow.html#setCentralWidget | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | thiago, what has been your favourite session so far? | 20:45 |
| RST38h | weggi: thank you, I have used this function, it crashes when I switch back to my original widget with setCentralwidget() | 20:45 |
| weggi_ | Did you notice that setCentralWidget takes ownership of the widget you pass to it? | 20:46 |
| RST38h | yes. | 20:46 |
| weggi_ | So it will be deleted after you set new central widget | 20:46 |
| thiago | lcuk: personally, I was most paying attention to the one on the KDE 5 Frameworks | 20:46 |
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| thiago | lcuk: but I quite liked the Massif visualiser one | 20:47 |
| thiago | lcuk: keynotes were quite interesting | 20:47 |
| weggi_ | RST38h: And when you "switch back" you have to create new instance of your original content. | 20:47 |
| thiago | and, of course, Dirk Hohndel's keynote :-) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | thiago, there has been quite some interest in kde on harmattan | 20:47 |
| thiago | yup | 20:47 |
| thiago | did you see contour? | 20:47 |
| * thiago was at the cross-platform development limitations | 20:47 | |
| lcuk | nope, what is that | 20:47 |
| thiago | the new plasma-tablet activities | 20:48 |
| lcuk | cool, can they work on meego too? | 20:49 |
| thiago | aseigo was showing a tablet with plasma-tablet running on meego | 20:49 |
| thiago | find him :-) | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | \o/ | 20:49 |
| lcuk | I am not at the conf | 20:49 |
| thiago | there must be videos | 20:49 |
| thiago | it clearly showed that the Qt graphics performance on Atom chips isn't great | 20:49 |
| lcuk | really? | 20:49 |
| * lcuk never noticed any kind of graphics issues on ideapad | 20:50 | |
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| lcuk | running basically anything | 20:50 |
| thiago | I think the ideapad is more powerful than the wetab or exopc | 20:50 |
| lcuk | the x86 branch of meego has always been high performance compared to the scraping for fps | 20:50 |
| lcuk | on arm | 20:50 |
| * lcuk remembers telling intel to slow down their chips because code was running too quick | 20:51 | |
| thiago | hehehe | 20:52 |
| lcuk | nfact, I probably said the same at n810 -> n900 transition | 20:52 |
| thiago | we'll just put more stuff for it to do | 20:52 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:52 |
| lcuk | but if you say it is already having perf issues | 20:52 |
| lcuk | it takes the fun out of flying towards the ceiling | 20:52 |
| lcuk | I have seen a load of the assembly 2011 demoscene vids this weekend | 20:53 |
| lcuk | the sheer amount of stuff capable now with modern hardware is outstanding | 20:53 |
| lcuk | http://archive.assembly.org/2011 | 20:53 |
| lcuk | the 4k coder porn video is amusing | 20:54 |
| lcuk | especially for technical ability | 20:54 |
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| thiago | lcuk: the point is that you see that it's not smooth | 20:55 |
| thiago | we've known for long that Qt has some kind of issue with Intel chips | 20:55 |
| RST38h | weggi: aha | 20:56 |
| thiago | but of course, no one has bothered to optimise for that, only SGX | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | thiago, best thing in the #harmattan channel at the moment is the sharing of optimisation tips | 20:57 |
| lcuk | for qml especially | 20:57 |
| lcuk | finding models which work well | 20:57 |
| lcuk | methods and simplifications etc | 20:58 |
| lcuk | thiago, was Qt not optimised already for x86? | 20:58 |
| lcuk | since for longest time that was the principle target | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | or did that follow mhz race and expect 3ghz multicore doofers? | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | weggi: Is there somekind of reference counting in QWidgets to let me keep the original QWidget? | 21:00 |
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| thiago | lcuk: x86 yes | 21:01 |
| thiago | lcuk: Intel graphics chips, no | 21:01 |
| thiago | in the Oslo office, everyone has NVidia chips, except for the newest Sandybridge | 21:02 |
| thiago | and when graphics performance began to be noticed, that was Nokia time already so SGX was the target | 21:02 |
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| weggi_ | RST38h: No, but you can create a container widget that will be always the central widget. Then you can add / remove childs to that container widget. | 21:03 |
| weggi_ | RST38h: btw. One solution could set central widget's parent to null after calling setCentralWidget | 21:05 |
| RST38h | weggi: Ah, will this work??? | 21:06 |
| weggi_ | Something like: setCentralWidget(widget); widget->setParent(0); | 21:06 |
| RST38h | this will not remove the downward ownership though, right? | 21:07 |
| weggi_ | But in this case you have to take care of deallocation of the object. | 21:07 |
| weggi_ | No, it only affects to widget's parent, not to it's childs. | 21:08 |
| lcuk | thiago, understood entirely | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | weggi: I have no problem deallocating it of course | 21:14 |
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| weggi_ | RST38h: Sorry for my inaccurate instructions. You have to remove widget's parent just before you set a new central widget. | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | weggi: of course, I understood that much | 21:32 |
| RST38h | weggi: done. currently debuggin a few minor followup issues | 21:33 |
| RST38h | (as in my ProcessMessages() function screaming "QUIT NOW!" when it does not see the parent window) | 21:33 |
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| gandhijee_ | hey, is there an IRC room for the weTab? | 21:34 |
| gandhijee_ | the TS had a firmware update pushed to it, and now it doesn't respond to input | 21:34 |
| berndhs | gandhijee_: yes, there is #wetab over on devnode.net | 21:35 |
| gandhijee_ | berndhs: thank you, is it in german or english? | 21:35 |
| berndhs | last time I looked it was empty | 21:35 |
| gandhijee_ | yeah | 21:36 |
| berndhs | so either german or english will work equally bad | 21:36 |
| gandhijee_ | i just noticed that =/ | 21:36 |
| berndhs | but its been a few weeks, maybe there are people there now | 21:36 |
| gandhijee_ | oh wow, seems like i broke the TS pretty bad | 21:37 |
| gandhijee_ | =/ this is not good | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | good evening lardman \o | 21:51 |
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| lardman | evening lcuk | 21:51 |
| lardman | not out burning cars this evening? ;) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | lardman, did I see that you were pondering text recognition? | 21:51 |
| lcuk | lardman, nope | 21:52 |
| lardman | yes am planning on adding a pluging to photoanalyser | 21:52 |
| lcuk | oh nice | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | so you can barcode and double check by reading the label too | 21:52 |
| lardman | yes that would work, equally one could hook up a translator and translate a menu, etc | 21:53 |
| lcuk | lardman, I think I worked out a way to do positional mapping of devices | 21:53 |
| lcuk | without needing camera at all! | 21:53 |
| lardman | oh cool, how? | 21:53 |
| lardman | sound? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | if you put the devices down on a table, and draw a curve across all of them | 21:53 |
| lcuk | where the curve leaves and joins screens, you can use those as pivot points | 21:54 |
| lcuk | and map based on it | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 21:54 |
| berndhs | or you could take the CosmoHill approach, throw the phones at things, measure the timing, and to triangulation | 21:54 |
| lardman | you assume that they all all firmly mounted to the table then? | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 21:54 |
| lcuk | but I am pondering whether Nokia will send me 9 N9's to test this | 21:55 |
| lcuk | lardman, lol | 21:55 |
| lcuk | lol berndhs | 21:55 |
| lcuk | lardman, they remain in good enough position to be able to use the layout | 21:55 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines a rain of tumbling n9s presenting a coherent image. | 21:55 | |
| lcuk | for drawing pictures or playing games | 21:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, I did try to work out that sort of thing | 21:55 |
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| lardman | lcuk: I wonder if you could do some sort of automated orientation recognition of some object you hold in front of them? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | lardman, would look cool in store if all the display models were cooperating and showing bigger picture | 21:56 |
| lcuk | lardman, all the camera versions I tried would work | 21:56 |
| lcuk | I have that now, inverted AR - based on a triple set of green light spots | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | but I encountered touchscreen devices without cameras etc | 21:57 |
| lardman | ah ok | 21:57 |
| lcuk | so the only other way is... show barcode on all devices, take a photo and use that for the map | 21:57 |
| lcuk | hence all the questions over the years about using mbarcode to detect multiple barcodes at same time | 21:57 |
| lcuk | ;) | 21:57 |
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| lardman | I'd not bother with barcode as you don't need much data | 21:58 |
| lcuk | the QR codes would work well | 21:58 |
| lardman | perhaps 3 coloured bars, large, would hold sufficient data for a fair few devices, etc | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you only need a few bytes of detail and QR codes scale well | 21:59 |
| lcuk | username,ipaddress | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | if they were on adhoc network it would be awesome | 21:59 |
| * lcuk still bemoans this other aspect lacking from meego atm | 21:59 | |
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| lardman | yeah, but you need to be able to resolve the QR code, your "barcode" only needs to hold sufficient bits to identify each device, which won't be many | 21:59 |
| lcuk | sure | 22:00 |
| * lcuk might make tricode then | 22:00 | |
| lcuk | the 3 green dots but then putting info in the vertex between them ;) | 22:01 |
| lardman | check number of combos though - 3x3x3 combinations = 27 devices | 22:01 |
| lardman | I was thinking of something that's easy to decode though | 22:01 |
| lcuk | well technically after I learnt about how the normal 1d barcodes work | 22:02 |
| lcuk | they can simply be 3 1d codes between the verteces | 22:02 |
| wazd | can anybody point me into latest meego tablet release? Especially one with new panels design :P | 22:02 |
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| lardman | but again that means the camera needs to be able to resolve each barcode, which means rather high mpix | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | lardman, details! | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | i could do the same algorithm using 320*240 ;) | 22:03 |
| lardman | a few blocks of colour, e.g. 3 or 4 bars full screen would be easy to see and decode | 22:03 |
| lcuk | just need to pan across the entire surface | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 22:03 |
| lardman | yeah but then you complicate things by needing to perform image correlation to work out direction of travel, and to join the loop up | 22:03 |
| lcuk | lardman, hence the solution qr codes do | 22:04 |
| lcuk | by having 4 corners for relationships | 22:04 |
| lcuk | 3 | 22:04 |
| lcuk | sorry | 22:04 |
| topro | hi, can anyone tell me how the .packages file in image directories gets generated, please? | 22:04 |
| lardman | lcuk: not quite, QR code blocks are to orientate the barcode, but your issue is that if you need to pan across the devices because your video res is too low to resolve the barcodes in all at once, you then need to combine that data into a composite image that shows them all | 22:06 |
| lcuk | lardman, sure, the 320*240 was over the top | 22:06 |
| lardman | sounds like hassle if you could avoid it by using a larger code that can be seen in one photo | 22:06 |
| lcuk | I have crystal clear photographs showing a various number of resolvable codes | 22:06 |
| lcuk | it is fairly trivial for devices | 22:07 |
| lcuk | and for sure, using entire screen to show the code is right | 22:07 |
| lcuk | i just thought qr codes because they were already the right shape ;) | 22:07 |
| lardman | :) | 22:07 |
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| lardman | Overkill though as even a small one will hold 10 bytes' worth of data, which is a lot of individual devices! | 22:09 |
| lardman | 2^(8*10)-1 - is that right? | 22:10 |
| lardman | anyway, a fair few ;) | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | lol lardman | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | lardman, will have to test those specs at te next meego meetup! | 22:26 |
| lardman | well if Nokia sell that many devices I'll be rather impressed ;) | 22:28 |
| lcuk | so will Nokia! | 22:29 |
| lardman | well as there are something like 10^80 atoms in the observable universe, I'd hate to be in charge of device distribution for the devices that will need to spread beyond the edge ;) | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | well texrat was just talking about a new nokia job he applied for | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | perhaps delivery to the cafe at the end of the universe ;) | 22:32 |
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| lardman | :) | 22:34 |
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| elpuri | can anyone point me to information on how to access the photo thumbnails in harmattan? | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | elpuri, hm no, #harmattan is the canonical channel for odd specific questions such as this | 22:40 |
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| elpuri | thanks | 22:42 |
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