| berndhs | yes you feel like you can't breath because you can't | 00:00 |
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| wesbluemarine | hi | 01:29 |
| wesbluemarine | where can i download meego tv? | 01:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | it does not exist yet. | 01:30 |
| wesbluemarine | i'm asking because i see this | 01:31 |
| wesbluemarine | http://www.madeo.co.uk/?tag=meego | 01:31 |
| wesbluemarine | i have a trim slice too | 01:31 |
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| CosmoHill | ITV3: Blue Murder, ITV4: Red Heat | 01:37 |
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| Termana | morning | 01:58 |
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| jasxon | wasn't me ego killed off by nokia? | 02:04 |
| berndhs | no | 02:05 |
| Termana | If your ego is being killed off by Nokia, then you have an extremely weak ego. Toughen up | 02:06 |
| jykae | meego lives! | 02:06 |
| jasxon | my ego? don't understand, sorry. is it still supported and developed? i thought there was some issue about them using windows from now on. i've missed all the news and i'm having trouble catching up with the outcome | 02:06 |
| Termana | Oh you mean MEEGO. Not Me ego | 02:07 |
| berndhs | it's not Nokia's to kill, they don't own it | 02:07 |
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| Termana | Yeah, Nokia hasn't kill it | 02:08 |
| Termana | But the Linux Foundation and TSG are slowly killing it | 02:08 |
| Termana | Hear that? Hear the can of worms opening there? | 02:08 |
| berndhs | the TSG is a rumor :) | 02:08 |
| jasxon | is anyone able to give me the facts or point to a new article for me, instead of jokes and sarcasm. would be really helpful | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | what's happening with the TSG anyway? | 02:09 |
| ali1234 | last i heard, there was only two people left on it? | 02:09 |
| Termana | ali1234, there was only ever two people on it | 02:09 |
| berndhs | I removed them from the list of regular meetings on the wiki | 02:09 |
| ali1234 | i thought there was two people from nokia and two from intel | 02:09 |
| Termana | no. Just one from Nokia, one from Intel. | 02:10 |
| ali1234 | well, last i heard, there was 0 from nokia | 02:10 |
| ali1234 | i also heard rumours that someone from one (or more) of the chinese companies was going to join it? | 02:11 |
| Termana | Hmm, maybe the Nokia guy (can't remember his name... heh), resigned from Nokia so isn't doing it anymore? Maybe, I can't remember exactly | 02:11 |
| berndhs | no backwards, he doesn't work for Nokia any more but still represents them on the TSG | 02:12 |
| Termana | oh ok | 02:12 |
| berndhs | or something like that | 02:12 |
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| lbt | Valtteri Halla | 02:12 |
| Termana | well anyway, LF is being the real cock block at the moment | 02:12 |
| lbt | Termana: I heard tonight that the LF guy who should have been answering has been on vacation ... | 02:13 |
| jykae | I don't understand why LF is against apps.meego.com and such | 02:13 |
| lbt | although Ibrahim (who's a director) did answer privately and never mentioned that | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | what's the other group called? architects? the one with arjan? | 02:14 |
| lbt | so maybe we'll get a better answer soon | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | that one is 4 people right? | 02:14 |
| jykae | lbt: I really hope the best for meego | 02:14 |
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| lbt | :) | 02:15 |
| berndhs | they are being quiet in order to encourage wild speculation :) | 02:16 |
| * lbt wonders what stock they're buying | 02:16 | |
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| lbt | I think the real point is : LF are sensible to not do apps.meego.com. The MeeGo community is not sensible to be constrained by the LF | 02:17 |
| ali1234 | that's more or less what i've been saying for two years | 02:17 |
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| ali1234 | except s/LF/nokia/g | 02:18 |
| berndhs | yes, as I said earlier, having several outlets for apps would be better | 02:18 |
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| Termana | lbt, well if he has answered privately, and we are still not sure on what's happening, then there still seems to be a problem | 02:20 |
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| lbt | that's very true | 02:21 |
| lbt | 'night all | 02:23 |
| berndhs | night | 02:23 |
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| timoph | lbt: looks like you have a spammer hitting your blog's comments | 09:19 |
| dm8tbr | I don't see any comments on the recent posts | 09:21 |
| timoph | weird | 09:21 |
| timoph | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html | 09:22 |
| Bostik | lbt: and I would really like to see the acronym HA expanded on first use - I have to make a mental context switch every time *not* to read it "High Availability" | 09:22 |
| timoph | there's 1 comment that has a porn link in every dot in it :) | 09:22 |
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| timoph | oh. | 09:24 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: ah, I see that one, but that's on an older post. I only checked yesterdays :) | 09:24 |
| timoph | just realized that I'm hitting the meego.com aggregator bug with blogspot feed | 09:24 |
| timoph | s | 09:24 |
| timoph | the link always points to the first post of the blog | 09:25 |
| * timoph filed a bug on that about year or two ago | 09:25 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:34 |
| lcuk | morning jaffa, everyone \o | 13:34 |
| lcuk | w00t_, I have been looking at your extremely imple and cool TODO lists for saesu | 13:35 |
| lcuk | s ^ | 13:35 |
| w00t_ | :) | 13:35 |
| w00t_ | the TODOs are relatively new, there's still other bits floating around in my head too | 13:36 |
| lcuk | I saw | 13:36 |
| lcuk | and they help with visibility and direction | 13:36 |
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| * lcuk admires simple things which are effective :) | 13:36 | |
| w00t_ | I uploaded the 'doc' repo partly for you btw | 13:37 |
| w00t_ | it's not up to date in some ways but it was the initial brainstorming I did back in december which got me on the road to code | 13:37 |
| lcuk | heh, after brainstorms my todos are generally placeholders | 13:39 |
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| w00t_ | well... most of the brainstorming went into code in the next week or two ;) | 13:39 |
| w00t_ | it just gives a kind of more abstract view | 13:39 |
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| jykae | meego people going to desktop summit? | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | jykae, I have heard a few are, especially the kde guys and gals | 14:14 |
| lcuk | it is in Berlin this time isn't it? | 14:14 |
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| * lcuk puts Jonathan Coulton on | 14:16 | |
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| * w00t_ is going, but not exactly to DS | 14:17 | |
| lcuk | w00t_, what are you going for then? | 14:17 |
| jykae | lcuk: yes, it's in berlin | 14:17 |
| w00t_ | work training, I have new things to learn on gstreamer | 14:18 |
| lcuk | jykae, I hear that the c-base is hosting some of the conf | 14:18 |
| lcuk | w00t_, awesome | 14:18 |
| jykae | yep, it's also cool to see that place | 14:18 |
| * lcuk likes c-base | 14:19 | |
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| joejoe | hi, i want to edit page at wiki.meego.com, but I am not able to log in or I have not enough permissions to that | 14:37 |
| lcuk | joejoe, clear your cookies and try logging in again | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Dataflow/N900CE/3240#qa_summary | 14:46 |
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| joejoe | lcuk, thank you. It behaves bit strange.. | 14:48 |
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| berndhs | morning | 15:22 |
| lcuk | morning berndhs | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | .o. | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ * | 15:22 |
| lcuk | \o | 15:22 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 16:54 | |
| Stskeeps | if qt5 is an abi break, won't we have to switch to 'meego 2.0' in 1.4 timeframe? | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | The green, Stskeeps. | 16:55 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: when we drop Qt 4, we need to change to MeeGo 2.0 yes | 16:56 |
| thiago | but until we do, we are technically backwards compatible | 16:57 |
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| slaine | So we'll be shipping qt 4 and 5 in parallel ? | 16:57 |
| * slaine had wondered about this too | 16:57 | |
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| thiago | for 1.3 and 1.4, we most likely will | 16:58 |
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| pasomy | Le roquefort : J'ADORE | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | way to hijack the discussion by talking about cheese | 16:59 |
| * thiago skipped the camembert in the last flight | 16:59 | |
| chouchoune | pasomy: me too | 17:00 |
| lbt | ah... french... | 17:00 |
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| lbt | Stilton... proper cheese. | 17:00 |
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| zedmaster | Hi, buy a N900 to use Meego is a good idea? | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | watch videos about it first | 17:02 |
| lbt | how long is gitorious staying down for? | 17:02 |
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| thiago | http://status.gitorious.org | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | pondering how long time you have to go out for cheese shopping?? | 17:03 |
| thiago | that's one long boot sequence... | 17:03 |
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| lbt | mmm isn't it 16:05 CET now? | 17:05 |
| thiago | lbt: yes | 17:06 |
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| * lbt goes to listen to the sound of crickets coming from LF | 17:08 | |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: just read the news bout apps.meego.com | 17:11 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: seriously, can anyone sell me one ticket to mars please? | 17:12 |
| snowpong | anyone know how pre-bundling of apps and also how updating (auto?) works for MeeGo / Harmattan? | 17:12 |
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| snowpong | by pre-bundling I mean apps added to the image by operators (or similar) before the customer gets it | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: heh, i recall what impact it had on the LAN party scene when everyone started being scared of copyright holders raiding.. space travel does sound appealing but i already have significant difficulties getting liquorice and being on a spaceship makes it worse | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:17 |
| berndhs | ah, they probably know about the big asteroid hitting earth next month, so it all doesn't matter | 17:20 |
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| * lbt realises he has some Salmiakki on the bookcase | 17:26 | |
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| rancor | hi | 17:44 |
| rancor | anyone have problems like meego disconnecting from the wifi from time to time? | 17:44 |
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| thiago | meego meego, or meego harmattan? | 17:46 |
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| rancor | meego 32 1.2 sir | 17:48 |
| thiago | then I don't know | 17:48 |
| rancor | any fix for this? | 17:48 |
| rancor | am using a emachine em350 netbook | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ping | 17:52 |
| lbt | pong Stskeeps | 17:52 |
| rancor | brb i have to get back trying to fix this wifi disconnection | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: is there any way to ls '-l' a project, and get the current revision numbers of each package, in one request? | 17:53 |
| lbt | not afaik | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be nice for mirroring | 17:53 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, if you do an obstag then you kind of get that with the md5 output. Not sure what osc commands it uses to do that | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:55 |
| lbt | :) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to track trunk but in a bw-efficient way so | 17:55 |
| lbt | core? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:55 |
| lbt | c.obs or main obs | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | main | 17:56 |
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| * Stskeeps looks after documentation on obs api | 17:57 | |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | well at least the api does multiple http requests per session | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm thinking a service that instead of srpms, keeps obs trunk information for mirroring and import | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | ie, nightly snapshot of md5's etc | 18:10 |
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| Greatgib | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/08/study-android-is-least-open-of-open-source-mobile-platforms.ars | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. on paper | 18:16 |
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| timoph | yep. read that today.. | 18:17 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: did you see my comment on Meetbot ? (concerning charset/accents) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: yeah, logs looked fine? | 18:19 |
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| chouchoune | Stskeeps: mmmhhh, not txt logs | 18:21 |
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| chouchoune | txt report | 18:21 |
| chouchoune | html report is fine, but not txt one (broken charset) | 18:21 |
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| chouchoune | actually, broken accents, like é à | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | mmk | 18:23 |
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| chouchoune | (as you asked for internationalization tests, these are heavily used in french ;)) | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: nasa's post on meego-dev@ is about cobs | 19:00 |
| Ulf^ | Hi | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Ulf^ | 19:02 |
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| Ulf^ | Wassup Stskeeps? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | not much - travelling for a week to sweden starting tomorrow, probably the last holiday before christmas :) | 19:13 |
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| Ulf^ | Nice! | 19:15 |
| * thiago should visit Sweden sometime now that he's employed by Intel Sweden AB | 19:15 | |
| Stskeeps | i haven't like, actually spent any quality time in sweden besides driving through it, even though i've been living in denmark my entire youth | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | so let's see how that country is like | 19:16 |
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| Ulf^ | I've never been there | 19:21 |
| Ulf^ | Always wanted to | 19:21 |
| Jartza | my cousins live in sweden, so I've spent there months of my life | 19:21 |
| Ulf^ | Given that I have a Swedish name ;) | 19:21 |
| Jartza | I like it | 19:22 |
| timoph | thiago: I recommend gothenburg | 19:22 |
| Ulf^ | I've been to IKEA a dozen times | 19:22 |
| Ulf^ | Does that count? ;) | 19:22 |
| timoph | no :) | 19:22 |
| thiago | Ulf^: maybe a dozen more... | 19:22 |
| Ulf^ | thiago, It will happen. I love their Swedish meatballs ;) | 19:22 |
| berndhs | I put together IKEA furniture *successfully*, how about that one ? | 19:23 |
| Jartza | I used to have a swedish last name also :) | 19:23 |
| Jartza | but it was sort of a fashion in 30's to "translate" names to finnish | 19:23 |
| Ulf^ | berndhs, it only does if you used the tools they provide ;) | 19:23 |
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| Jartza | although in this case the translation has nothing to do with the original name | 19:23 |
| Jartza | so dillström (dillstream) became tulilahti (firebay) :) | 19:24 |
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| Viltapi | what's the API port number for pub.meego? I would need to pull the workerstatus info | 20:38 |
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| lbt | Viltapi: mmm ? | 20:48 |
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| auke | Viltapi: the port is http/https | 20:53 |
| Viltapi | auke: right thanks, lbt pointed it out as well | 20:54 |
| Viltapi | seems like some customization there or then I had an older OBS or something | 20:55 |
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| lbt | no... it's just that a 'simple' OBS install does port based vhosts | 20:55 |
| lbt | https://api.pub.meego.com/build/_workerstatus is a normal api call | 20:56 |
| lbt | Viltapi: shoulda said - discuss in room normally :) | 20:57 |
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| Viltapi | lbt: yeah I wasn't sure was there some "security by obscurity" here that you did not want to answer :P | 20:58 |
| Viltapi | it seems to be fairly common in some... groups | 20:58 |
| lbt | fair enough ... generally no | 20:58 |
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| Wizard | hi | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 21:18 |
| Wizard | is there a way to make taskbar to show up other way than reachung screen edge? | 21:19 |
| Wizard | it's quite hard on a touchscreen :D | 21:19 |
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| npm | the windows key brings up the taskbar. bind a button to that action if you don't have a keyboard | 21:22 |
| npm | if you're referring to netbook ux taskbar | 21:23 |
| Wizard | yeah, netbook black top bar | 21:23 |
| npm | or tablet ux's "thingie" | 21:23 |
| Wizard | netbook | 21:24 |
| npm | (which seems to be the name i call everything on the tablet ux) | 21:24 |
| Wizard | is there a tablet version? | 21:24 |
| timoph | thingie UX :) | 21:24 |
| Wizard | I haven't seen it | 21:24 |
| Wizard | ok, another question, how to logout/halt/reboot? :D | 21:24 |
| timoph | there is but no stable release | 21:24 |
| npm | yes. hopefully someone from intel will step in and tell you all about it :-) | 21:24 |
| Wizard | lol? | 21:25 |
| Wizard | no way to halt? | 21:25 |
| timoph | you need to press the hw button | 21:25 |
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| npm | or login as root and do /sbin/halt | 21:25 |
| Wizard | and to logout? | 21:25 |
| Wizard | kill xorg? | 21:26 |
| npm | init 3 | 21:26 |
| npm | init 5 | 21:26 |
| timoph | iirc there was a bug about missing ui button for power off, etc. but evidently that's not needed :/ | 21:26 |
| Wizard | not needed? | 21:26 |
| npm | preferably in that order | 21:26 |
| Wizard | k, I'm gonna install that and test for few days | 21:26 |
| Wizard | thanks for hints | 21:26 |
| npm | Wizard: the tablet ux is very particular about running normal apps on it | 21:27 |
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| npm | if you're planning on running anything other than tablet-UX-built qml apps, you might want to stick with netbook ux as it's more standard | 21:28 |
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| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meegotab-screenshots.html for various fails | 21:30 |
| timoph | Wizard: yeah. looks like the bug was filed by me :) bug 5943 | 21:31 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5943 enh, Low, ---, priya.vijayan, NEW, Provide a way to shutdown/restart netbook from UX | 21:31 |
| npm | but that's what happens when you install standard Linux apps on tablet UX ( http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem ) | 21:31 |
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| timoph | low prio == not going to happen. besides it's the bugs 1y birthday in 3 weeks :) | 21:33 |
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| andre__ | even medium prio often means "not going to happen", seeing that nearly nobody uses low prio... | 21:40 |
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| gandhijee_ | hey, was module/driver is needed for the rotation sensor? | 22:18 |
| gandhijee_ | in the exoPC | 22:18 |
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| andyross | gandhijee_: Just asus_laptop, which should be pulled in automatically | 22:29 |
| gandhijee_ | ok | 22:30 |
| gandhijee_ | andyross: i'm building my own kernel | 22:30 |
| andyross | The patch isn't upstream yet, sadly. MeeGo is carrying it in the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail; check OBS. | 22:30 |
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| gandhijee_ | and asus_laptop is only for wireless stuff it seems | 22:31 |
| andyross | The accelerometer driver is in asus_laptop | 22:32 |
| gandhijee_ | actually i think it might be in the pega_ext | 22:32 |
| andyross | No, it's in asus_laptop. I wrote it. There is a pega_ext module shipped with the WeTab software. It's a mess. | 22:33 |
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| gandhijee_ | i see | 22:33 |
| gandhijee_ | so your asus_laptop driver with the accelerometer stuff isn't upstreamed, correct? | 22:34 |
| Wizard | ping | 22:34 |
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| andyross | It was submitted, some questions came back about panics I'd seen. But at that point MeeGo had already picked it up and I got pulled off to work on other things. I'm still sort of vainly hoping someone else picks it up and does the legwork; I know one person was working on getting it into Fedora, for example. But basically blame me for it not being in mainline. | 22:35 |
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| Wizard | I've installed meego, updated and now I get this: | 22:36 |
| Wizard | gnome-control-center: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/control-center-1/extensions/libsystray.so: undefined symbol: mux_label_new | 22:36 |
| gandhijee_ | i see | 22:36 |
| Wizard | bah | 22:37 |
| Wizard | don't tell me | 22:37 |
| Wizard | html | 22:37 |
| Wizard | on desktop | 22:37 |
| Wizard | pffff | 22:37 |
| Wizard | whoops, wrong window, sorry | 22:38 |
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| Wizard | i've removed this library and now control center starts | 22:39 |
| Wizard | could somebody put it in bugzilla? :> | 22:40 |
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| Wizard | ok, never mind.. | 22:42 |
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| Wizard | no java, no git, no svn :/ | 22:44 |
| Wizard | no wine | 22:44 |
| Wizard | no xchat | 22:44 |
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| Wizard | o_O | 22:44 |
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| harpal | I would like to add new category in menu, Can any one tell me how can I do that | 22:45 |
| gandhijee_ | andyross: is it the ALS part that you added? | 22:45 |
| harpal | so the files in some particular folder comes into that menu category | 22:46 |
| harpal | I had created .menu and .directory file | 22:46 |
| harpal | but it doesnt working.. | 22:46 |
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| gandhijee_ | so andy i have your driver from the meego kernel pulled in and compiled... did you touch anything else where to get the thing working? | 23:09 |
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| andyross | Sorry, was afk. If the driver is compiled, you'll have an accelerometer device in /dev/input. If you want the MeeGo sensorfw to recognize it, you need to install the sensorfw-pegatron. | 23:40 |
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