| lardman | hmm, libharmattaneventfeed doesn't have a debian directory | 00:00 |
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| lardman | shame we don't have an extras repo, would mean I'd not need to package it up myself, etc., etc | 00:02 |
| lcuk | lardman, you should not have to package it up etc | 00:04 |
| lcuk | if it is designed for use in harmattan, request a harmattan package | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | lardman, or can you just include it into your project, it is just a shim around dbus | 00:05 |
| lardman | I know, but I'd prefer to use a library api than to either include the source directly or just re-implement the wrappers | 00:05 |
| lardman | afterall if provides a useful service | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | lardman, for sure | 00:06 |
| * lcuk admires the eventview in harmattan | 00:07 | |
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| lcuk | since the event view itself is as simple as that | 00:07 |
| lcuk | perhaps we could make an eventview app on n9x0-ce | 00:07 |
| lcuk | so same source from your side could compile | 00:07 |
| lardman | would seem sensible | 00:08 |
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| gintoxic | hi! | 01:25 |
| gintoxic | is samsung making a meego phone? | 01:25 |
| wmarone | highly unlikely | 01:26 |
| wmarone | they may make a non-Android, Debian based device eventually though | 01:26 |
| gintoxic | hi wmarone ! | 01:26 |
| gintoxic | is there a way to get an open source phone to prevent governments from spying on them? | 01:26 |
| wmarone | not really, unless you have the source for the baseband | 01:27 |
| wmarone | you can always pull the battery and stop making phone calls if you are that concerned | 01:27 |
| gintoxic | no i want to make phones that can communicate privately! | 01:27 |
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| gintoxic | phonetor | 01:28 |
| wmarone | then you could transmit via the data channel, and encrypt everything | 01:28 |
| gintoxic | yes | 01:28 |
| wmarone | but spying, I have yet to see evidence that goes beyond GPS or tower triangulation | 01:28 |
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| gintoxic | well some was prevented | 01:29 |
| gintoxic | :) | 01:29 |
| gintoxic | it's not always a losing game! but the wins are soemtimes secrit | 01:29 |
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| gintoxic | do you like video games? | 01:30 |
| wmarone | kind of a random topic switch, but yes | 01:30 |
| gintoxic | not at all | 01:31 |
| gintoxic | when we play games we exchange a lot of data | 01:32 |
| gintoxic | but we want to keep our accounts secure | 01:32 |
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| gintoxic | 'shall we play a game' | 01:34 |
| gintoxic | so you are right, this much is our great inheritance from the men who made tcp/ip | 01:34 |
| Ulf^ | Al Gore? *g* | 01:36 |
| gintoxic | freedom loving computer science guys | 01:38 |
| gintoxic | the point-and-click people gave meego nice reviews | 01:39 |
| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugzhibit-timeline.png http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugxhibit.png --> meego bugs viewed in http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ | 01:40 |
| vgrade | samsung are doing something meego, http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/AN3SAt1Nm6ykGwyr7gcQ | 01:46 |
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| vgrade | or were | 01:52 |
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| gintoxic | hi vgrade | 01:56 |
| gintoxic | thanks for the info | 01:56 |
| wmarone | vgrade: it will be interesting to see what (if anything) they do, seeing as how raster has been working heavily on -something- over there | 01:58 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps mmh, same issue like ages ago :( http://paste.kde.org/104905/ | 02:05 |
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| gintoxic | hey the stskeeps if we can help you please let know | 02:14 |
| djszapi | if you talk to me, just read the link then =) | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | wmarone: Indeed. It's a new cutting edge UI based around motif. | 02:16 |
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| gintoxic | youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPSaEm6w0rw me and my friends made this song in 1993-1994 MOTHAFUCKAAAAAS | 02:50 |
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| idreamer | hi... i'm go back to this rom for try to resolve my problem. I install meego on emmc on n900. now i want go back but i can't like this other user post on forum http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=80 | 03:55 |
| idreamer | someone can help me and my brick n900? | 03:55 |
| idreamer | for example.... you use "u" key at poweron for flashing? o meego use other char? | 03:57 |
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| idreamer | help | 04:02 |
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| thiago | idreamer: the flashing tool talks to the bootloader, not to meego | 04:09 |
| thiago | so it's still U | 04:09 |
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| Termana | morning | 05:01 |
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| berndhs | good night | 05:20 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:41 |
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| sofar | the foul language in this channel is out of control! | 07:55 |
| sofar | <dm8tbr> moaning | 07:55 |
| * sofar giggles | 07:55 | |
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| dm8tbr | mood groaning sofar | 08:02 |
| sofar | you sir | 08:02 |
| sofar | make me want to open a beer | 08:03 |
| timoph | :) | 08:03 |
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| MSM | :) | 09:01 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: In conversation with lbt it came up that the bot thing still needs consolidation. should we work on it together? | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: yes, i've just been a bit mind absent lately to do anything about it | 09:40 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: Stskeeps: have you seen any announcements from LF? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | no, but as they're US based.. | 10:26 |
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| lbt | yep | 10:28 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Problem_Statement | 10:47 |
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| timoph | lbt: wth? | 10:58 |
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| lbt | timoph: you know we've been kinda distracted wrt obs and stuff recently... well | 10:59 |
| timoph | :/ | 10:59 |
| timoph | I'd move c.obs to formeego.org | 11:00 |
| dm8tbr | it is regrettable that LF moves itself out of the picture without showing a possible way to go | 11:00 |
| lbt | well, that's for "the community" to decide. | 11:01 |
| dm8tbr | my work to get to the forMeeGo situation was to avoid uncontrolled community fragmentation | 11:01 |
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| lbt | I tried to keep my opinion separate... though I made up the options so would be glad to see more. My serious suggestions is to leave meego.com as a TM placeholder with .img and .rpm downloads and a web page | 11:02 |
| dm8tbr | still I'd expect a high profile thing as apps.$whatever to be whatever=meego.com, though as lbt stated I'm happy to give the formeego domain to be used by any community efforts. | 11:02 |
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| timoph | "community" decision making in meego is pretty much non-existant | 11:02 |
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| antman8969 | reading now... unsettling | 11:03 |
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| timoph | "community" == OSS folk and non paid contributors | 11:03 |
| dm8tbr | a split like redhat/fedora, suse/opensuse is what should have been encouraged and fostered by LF instead of letting it happen out of necessity | 11:03 |
| timoph | true | 11:03 |
| dm8tbr | but as meego is 'that business thing' the community remains an afterthought and necessary evil it seems | 11:05 |
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| timoph | :) | 11:06 |
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| timoph | anyway. IMO building a community controlled version of MeeGo seems to be the way to go | 11:09 |
| timoph | and I'm not talking about forking | 11:09 |
| bergie | timoph: +1 | 11:10 |
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| dm8tbr | timoph: exactly, all but forking | 11:14 |
| lbt | FWIW people... I think the wiki page has the main issues | 11:14 |
| lbt | the current plan is to move the web php-app out | 11:14 |
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| lbt | but that doesn't IMHO touch the *stated* problem | 11:15 |
| lbt | c.obs is the elephant in the room | 11:15 |
| dm8tbr | ACK | 11:15 |
| lbt | and, for that matter, home projects on core OBS | 11:16 |
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| dm8tbr | well they already have some restrictions in place there | 11:16 |
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| lbt | hey leinir | 11:20 |
| slaine | So, been away for a long weekend and it seems somethings up in the land of meego | 11:20 |
| slaine | can anyone summarize or point me to a url ? | 11:20 |
| lbt | apps? | 11:21 |
| timoph | slaine: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Problem_Statement | 11:21 |
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| arfoll | sucks about apps.meego.com :-( | 11:22 |
| timoph | yep | 11:22 |
| slaine | timoph: thanks | 11:22 |
| slaine | vgrade, arfoll Nice work on the MeeGo TV trimslice | 11:22 |
| leinir | Hey lbt :) | 11:23 |
| lbt | o/ | 11:24 |
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| dm8tbr | JFTR: there are other roadblocks in the community meego story. | 11:29 |
| dm8tbr | one is artwork, it's another elephant in the room nobody wants to mention | 11:29 |
| timoph | yep | 11:29 |
| lbt | oh... that's something else I have 'in progress' | 11:30 |
| dm8tbr | all reference UX artwork is non-free | 11:30 |
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| dm8tbr | and that's not restricted to the MeeGo(tm,r,...) logo | 11:30 |
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| dm8tbr | some curvy line in a ux? can't use, it's for compliant devices only | 11:30 |
| lbt | but dm8tbr that's kinda OK ... what's not OK is that the non-free reference is given special treatment | 11:30 |
| timoph | take meego core and slap plasma active on top of it. problem solved :p | 11:31 |
| dm8tbr | well you can't even use the existing PSD file as a tool to design completely new UX elements | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | you know, i actually wonder what license our N900 CE theme has | 11:32 |
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| dm8tbr | so you'd need to reinvent tooling | 11:32 |
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| nghtwsh | /move window 10 | 11:33 |
| timoph | oh. it's that bad :/ | 11:33 |
| dm8tbr | that's ok for a $big-vendor | 11:33 |
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| dm8tbr | but if we want to e.g. design a non-infringing meego-ux graphics set we need to start at zero | 11:34 |
| Andy80 | hi guys | 11:34 |
| dm8tbr | community may not be part of the high level MeeGo business story, but it comes back full circle on lower levels. | 11:35 |
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| timoph | dm8tbr: feel like setting up a task force? count me in. | 11:35 |
| lbt | I think moving the entirety of meego.com community away from LF is the sane medium term plan | 11:36 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: screw task force JFDI, LF would just stall the topic for half a year like they did with ForMeeGo | 11:36 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 11:36 |
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| dm8tbr | MeeGo needs the community if they want to go anywhere, they just don't (want to) realize that | 11:36 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: well "task force" as in get people working on it now :) | 11:37 |
| timoph | anyway. I'm out for lunch. bbl | 11:37 |
| Andy80 | it's only my opinion or LF are totally crazy? | 11:37 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: hyvää ruokahalua :) | 11:37 |
| * RST38h reads Stskeeps' post about LF | 11:37 | |
| * RST38h suggests hosting Meego applications at maemo.org infrastructure | 11:37 | |
| dm8tbr | Andy80: I wouldn't go that far. it's just business case high level thinking, meets reality. trainwreck, slwo motion. | 11:38 |
| RST38h | BTW, gentlemen, are you basically reimplementing PackRat again? "This service is a web application which indexes certain community vetted, OSI-approved-licensed applications built by individual community members at the C.OBS" <== this is PackRat | 11:38 |
| Andy80 | no no no.... please be serious guys :) | 11:38 |
| Bostik | I don't like the term "Task Force", it sounds like something a committee would put together to get the problem shoved under the carpet | 11:39 |
| Andy80 | if we would listen to them, no website would host any application! | 11:39 |
| Andy80 | think to sourceforge, gitorious, github ecc.... | 11:39 |
| lbt | I think moving the entirety of meego.com community away from LF is the sane medium term plan | 11:39 |
| bergie | RST38h: apps does a bit more than that, there is a formal QA process like on maemo downloads | 11:39 |
| Andy80 | are we crazy?! | 11:39 |
| Andy80 | after almost 2 years of meego.com | 11:39 |
| Andy80 | they realize they don't want to host any application?! | 11:40 |
| bergie | Andy80: If I understand the US software patents situation correctly, hosting source code is no problem. Hosting binaries is | 11:40 |
| RST38h | bergie: So, it is extras.maemo.org? Why not do it at maemo.org then? | 11:40 |
| lbt | bergie: read the problem statement carefully | 11:40 |
| bergie | RST38h: because it is MeeGo :-) | 11:40 |
| RST38h | bergie: who cares what it is? | 11:40 |
| Andy80 | omg O_o | 11:41 |
| RST38h | bergie: it is pretty consistent with what Maemo was/is, I doubt two letters make that much of a difference in principle | 11:41 |
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| Andy80 | so any app store could violate software patents! | 11:41 |
| bergie | RST38h: also, the Apps service we've done for MeeGo is way ahead of the Maemo one... OBS instead of autobuilder, BOSS, proper review forms etc | 11:41 |
| Andy80 | I really cannot belive that USA lawas are more stupid then italian one! | 11:41 |
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| RST38h | bergie: Does not mean you can run both under the same domain though | 11:41 |
| Andy80 | it's simply not possible :P | 11:41 |
| RST38h | s/can/cant | 11:41 |
| bergie | RST38h: sure, but formeego.org is already approved and available, AFAIK | 11:41 |
| arfoll | slaine, cheers so are you getting one> | 11:42 |
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| dm8tbr | bergie: correct, cost me more than half a year | 11:42 |
| bergie | dm8tbr: ah, you have the domain? Cool | 11:42 |
| dm8tbr | bergie: yes I'm the 'Thomas' mentioned by lbt | 11:43 |
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| bergie | we could theoretically set up a nonprofit to own the domain etc, if we want to | 11:43 |
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| lbt | \o/ | 11:43 |
| dm8tbr | I'm also know as don quixote de la meego | 11:43 |
| slaine | arfoll, Afraid not. Although it's greatly reduced at $175 (assuming I qualified via the MeeGo Device program) I simply can't justify the expense when I've a wife and 3 kids to feed and cloth (and school supplies to purchase) | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq | 11:43 |
| Andy80 | bergie: and we would not have the same patents problems :) ? | 11:43 |
| X-Fade | SFLC took a look at it for Debian, but LF obviously doesn't have time or resources to look at this. | 11:44 |
| RST38h | bergie: Dunno, I have come to believe that in order to make it a successful project, you need to stick with the original Maemo community and stay away from the official LF stuff | 11:44 |
| bergie | Andy80: no silly software patents in Europe | 11:44 |
| lbt | Andy80: part of the risk the LF face is that they are an attractive target for anti-OSS trolls | 11:44 |
| RST38h | bergie: They do not appear to be interested in a community at all | 11:45 |
| bergie | I think the distro work happening on MeeGo is pretty good | 11:45 |
| Andy80 | bergie, lbt: what about simply moving meego.com foundation/project to Europe? | 11:45 |
| bergie | I just saw an interesting MeeGo deployment from a small company last week :-) | 11:45 |
| RST38h | bergie: Is it done by LF? | 11:45 |
| lbt | Andy80: yes... http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Problem_Statement#Move_all_MeeGo_infrastructure_to_formeego.org_and_away_from_LF | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: LF can't just move :) | 11:46 |
| Andy80 | LF should just drop MeeGo | 11:46 |
| bergie | RST38h: nah, that work is Intel (and probably Nokia and other guys) | 11:46 |
| Andy80 | they are not capable anymore to manage it | 11:46 |
| RST38h | BTW, can I add a .deb to the build.pub.meego.com repo? | 11:46 |
| Andy80 | they're only ruining the project | 11:46 |
| RST38h | bergie: exactly | 11:46 |
| bergie | in the worst case we just block some apps from being available in the US. On Maemo Downloads we already so some country blocking for export restrictions, AFAIK | 11:47 |
| arfoll | slaine, too bad - hopefully your kid will force you to get one ;-) | 11:47 |
| bergie | RST38h: you can build for Harmattan there, yes | 11:48 |
| slaine | arfoll, the eldest wants my n950 | 11:48 |
| RST38h | bergie: What if I have built elsewhere, can I put up a prebuilt deb file? | 11:48 |
| slaine | unless grade can help out, I probably won't be in a position to get something sorted 'til october | 11:49 |
| bergie | RST38h: lbt can probably answer that better, but my gut feel is "no" | 11:49 |
| dm8tbr | RST38h: i don't think so, that would be against the concept | 11:49 |
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| arfoll | slaine, sounds like he's smart! maybe you can get one from your work - for research? | 11:49 |
| * RST38h sighs, goes off to create his own repository elsewhere | 11:49 | |
| bergie | RST38h: what is the problem with building on OBS? | 11:50 |
| dm8tbr | RST38h: why do you think building on cobs is not what you want to do? | 11:50 |
| meivi | question... which language is meego apps based on, for the nokia phone.. | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No non-free. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | meivi: Qt/QML | 11:50 |
| slaine | arfoll: already asked and idea was rejected | 11:50 |
| RST38h | dm8tbr: Cause I have open source and non open source packages | 11:50 |
| slaine | that's why I started the do it my self approach | 11:50 |
| slaine | we'll see what happens | 11:51 |
| RST38h | dm8tbr: Cause the current package will not build on OBS | 11:51 |
| RST38h | etc. | 11:51 |
| lbt | RST38h: why ? | 11:51 |
| RST38h | lbt: depends. | 11:51 |
| bergie | you can submit non-free to Ovi, I think | 11:51 |
| meivi | is that similar to java? c? | 11:51 |
| lbt | which depends? | 11:51 |
| arfoll | slaine, too bad :-(, next meego conf we all get given tegra2 devices? | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Then you need to fix building? | 11:51 |
| dm8tbr | RST38h: if it doesn't build on cobs, file a bug | 11:51 |
| lbt | RST38h: Aard is helping out here | 11:52 |
| slaine | arfoll, lol, that'd be nice | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Anyway, the universal explanation for "why?" is "just because" | 11:52 |
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| slaine | unless vgrade can help out, that should have said. Damn spell checker. | 11:54 |
| arfoll | slaine, vgrade has spares? | 11:56 |
| slaine | arfoll: don't know, it would be great if he did | 11:57 |
| bergie | RST38h: I really hope we don't go back to the pre-Fremantle situation of people installing stuff from dozens of random repos | 11:57 |
| arfoll | well it would be cool to get someone else on the trimslice team :-) | 11:57 |
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| dm8tbr | bergie: <troll> but I thought that's what RPM was all about, using rpmfind and installing whatever it spits out</troll> | 11:59 |
| bergie | :-D | 12:00 |
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| bergie | the good thing about OBS is that even your "home projects" there will be built on common, maintained base | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | bergie: We already have. | 12:10 |
| RST38h | bergie: Simply by not continuing to use maemo.org extras for Harmattan and Meego apps | 12:10 |
| chouchoune | arfoll: I'ld like too | 12:11 |
| chouchoune | I have a trimslice and wanted at the beginning to port Meego on it | 12:12 |
| chouchoune | but vgrade is better than me ;) | 12:12 |
| chouchoune | slaine: where are you located ? | 12:12 |
| slaine | chouchoune: Dublin | 12:13 |
| slaine | yourselft ? | 12:13 |
| slaine | gah | 12:13 |
| slaine | yourself | 12:13 |
| chouchoune | France (Nice) | 12:13 |
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| slaine | Yes, France is nice….<boom'tish> | 12:13 |
| slaine | sorru | 12:14 |
| slaine | oh dear, it's getting bad | 12:14 |
| chouchoune | slaine: if you want a Trimslice quickly I could get one to you, but it should stay my property ;) | 12:14 |
| chouchoune | I have 2 of them | 12:14 |
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| arfoll | chouchone, vgrade has an image with meego on it, it's not too hard | 12:22 |
| arfoll | so that part is done ;-) | 12:23 |
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| arfoll | if you feel like working http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Smart_TV_for_Trimslice#TODO_List | 12:24 |
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| chouchoune | arfoll: yes, I know it's nor hard, it's just that he did it quickly | 12:27 |
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| chouchoune | I've seen that TODO list, I'll try to get things done ;) | 12:27 |
| arfoll | chouchoune, yeah vgrade is fast... cool well keep us updated on what you plan on doing no need to duplicate work | 12:28 |
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| arfoll | he beat me to finding my own hardfp xbmc builds where done... | 12:28 |
| chouchoune | haha | 12:29 |
| chouchoune | sure, I'll let you know | 12:30 |
| vvaltone | arfoll, do you know if HDMI-CEC is possible?-) | 12:32 |
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| arfoll | vvaltone, I don't know, I haven't even started to look at HDMI yet, been using DVI | 12:32 |
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| vvaltone | the new tv I got recently supports it and very convenient feature | 12:32 |
| vvaltone | it allows you to use a single remote that passes the control through hdmi | 12:33 |
| arfoll | but dont most tvs have their own protocols? | 12:33 |
| vvaltone | no, they're the same | 12:33 |
| arfoll | i thought sony CEC could only talk to sony stuff | 12:35 |
| vvaltone | or well, I don't really know about the wire protocol, but Panasonic's one and ps3 work nicely | 12:35 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Sure. | 13:19 |
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| Greatgib | Hi | 14:27 |
| Greatgib | Is "formeego" the real planned dns or just a codename? (because it is a little ugly as a name...) | 14:28 |
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| X-Fade | Greatgib: it is real. | 14:30 |
| X-Fade | Greatgib: It is because of the meego trademark | 14:30 |
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| lcuk | i have to go offline, migraine stomping on my thoughts, bbl | 14:35 |
| Greatgib | X-Fade: I understood that, but don't understand why nothing more sexy was found like meegoapps or 4meego or appformeego, meegomunity,... | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | Greatgib: Because that touches the trademark. | 14:37 |
| X-Fade | Greatgib: You can always say for meego, but not meegoxxxx | 14:38 |
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| Greatgib | X-Fade: but the linux fondation could allow to use they trademark without implying that they are responsible regarding patent issues and things like that no? | 14:43 |
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| X-Fade | Greatgib: Aparently not. | 14:45 |
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| Greatgib | This is strange. | 14:46 |
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| M4rtinK2 | X-Fade: is there some list of what is available on the Harmattan cobs target ? :) | 14:47 |
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| M4rtinK2 | looks like that debhelper and cdbs are both available but too old to build unmodified sid packages... | 14:48 |
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| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: Yeah, the obs just has an imported sdk. Nothing I can do about that. | 14:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | X-Fade: ah, ok :) | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: You should see the same in scratchbox. | 14:50 |
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| M4rtinK2 | X-Fade: also, any idea why quite a few package self tests fail ? like: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=pixman&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 14:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think I remember quite a few Fremantle packages having tests disabled because of similar errors | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | M4rtinK2: Might be a qemu bug. | 14:56 |
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| M4rtinK2 | ok, I'll try to disable the tests to see if it helps :) | 14:56 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-14370721 | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | timoph, light sabre construction school. where is the best place for learning about library packaging for .spec files and stuff? | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | start with yaml and go from there | 15:22 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, documentation/tutorials? | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | the ones around meego I found were mostly for a trivial qt app | 15:23 |
| timoph | look up existing packages | 15:24 |
| lcuk | not more indepth library needing -devel and potentially dbg builds | 15:24 |
| * lcuk goes hunting | 15:24 | |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | rest can be picked up as example from other .yaml files | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | the same should be used for projects currently aiming at harmattan I gather | 15:25 |
| lcuk | since I notice a lot of the projects there are merely reusing their debian packaging | 15:26 |
| lcuk | and not having meego repository enabled | 15:26 |
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| timoph | yeah. The fact that most people don't make their stuff available for other targets than harmattan troubles me | 15:29 |
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| timoph | well. I guess I'm even with them since I mostly build stuff only for meego (CE) | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | timoph, does Components work on vanilla MeeGo? | 15:30 |
| lcuk | timoph, it is a metter of simplicity and understanding | 15:30 |
| timoph | GeneralAntilles: not yet | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, then, mystery solved. . . . | 15:30 |
| timoph | GeneralAntilles: CE should have them in the next build | 15:30 |
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| lcuk | if yaml can generate both hmt.debian and rpm.spec then we should be trying to push it | 15:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Frankly I think the software patent argument is bullshit. | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | after the nortel buyout i think there's reason to be cautious | 15:36 |
| RST38h | General: It does not matter | 15:36 |
| RST38h | General: What DOES matter is that Linux Foundation is not interested in individual contributors to Meego | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we've known THAT for a while. | 15:36 |
| lcuk | what is WITH the random word capitalisation? :P | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Upstream only is fine. If upstream cares about mobile spaces, and will accept patches. | 15:37 |
| RST38h | General: But this means that it is best to dsitance oneself from LF and its services as far as possible | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's a substitute for italics. | 15:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | :) | 15:37 |
| lbt | as I say : No idea how the (currently favoured) solution solves the stated problem. Makes one wonder if the problem to be solved is openly stated. | 15:37 |
| RST38h | General: I.e. separate forum, separate repositories, separate build system etc | 15:37 |
| RST38h | General: In fact, I would do this on the maemo.org infrastructure | 15:38 |
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| lbt | IMHO more sensible is to have the whole project (core OBS too) under another name and allow LF to have a clear role as a the trademark and compliance owner for MeeGo | 15:39 |
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| RST38h | lbt: i.e. ignore LF, essentially? | 15:40 |
| lbt | yes | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | and provide releases to them once in a while? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:40 |
| lbt | ignore.... sideline | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: No | 15:41 |
| lbt | and yes, release to them | 15:41 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Release to the world. | 15:41 |
| RST38h | If they want the release then, they can take it, or not | 15:41 |
| lbt | RST38h: the project's raison d'etre is to release code to MeeGo ... | 15:41 |
| lbt | I support that | 15:41 |
| lbt | big time | 15:41 |
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| RST38h | lbt: Well, it looks like the Meego official rights holder is not interested | 15:42 |
| lcuk | lbt, which specific project - apps. ? | 15:42 |
| lbt | you know... to some extent... they should not be | 15:42 |
| lbt | MeeGo is for vendors, not oss community | 15:42 |
| RST38h | lbt: So, I do not think making advances toward them is the right thing to do, especially considering that any misstep may trigger their lawyers into actions | 15:42 |
| lbt | we should be providing grass-roots support too of course | 15:42 |
| lbt | you mean LF ? | 15:43 |
| RST38h | yes | 15:43 |
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| Vampir3 | hi everyone :) | 15:43 |
| lbt | mmm they're appearing somewhat rude and lazy IMHO ... but I dont know *why*. They're not being deliberately difficult | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | Problem with LF is that is basically too small to do much more than hold a trademark. | 15:44 |
| lbt | X-Fade: absolutely | 15:44 |
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| X-Fade | They don't even have one person working on MeeGo full time, right? | 15:44 |
| RST38h | lbt: because they do not care. because youy are a nuisance to them | 15:44 |
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| Vampir3 | i have fedora 15 on my netbook, how can i install meego? | 15:45 |
| lbt | RST38h: mmm ... not "me" .... "we" | 15:45 |
| RST38h | lbt: Not me, I am just watching the DRAMAH =) | 15:45 |
| RST38h | lbt: But basically, LF is a bunch of legal busybodies living off corporate donations to their non-profit | 15:46 |
| Vampir3 | no body can help me? :( | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Vampir3: 1) Remove Fedora 2) Install Meego | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, what advantage does the project really get out of LF? | 15:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Marketing for Intel? | 15:47 |
| RST38h | (but make sure your hardware is supported first, has to have SSSE3 instruction set and preferably no PowerVR) | 15:47 |
| lcuk | Vampir3, https://meego.com/downloads | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | So far they mostly seem to be providing roadblocks. | 15:47 |
| RST38h | General: Legal endorsement | 15:47 |
| lcuk | get meego onto a usb stick | 15:47 |
| lcuk | try it first | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | if happy, install | 15:48 |
| lcuk | :) | 15:48 |
| RST38h | General: Offloading the legal responsibility from Intel/Nokia | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: vendor neutral ground, technically | 15:48 |
| vvaltone | RST38h, AMD! ;-P | 15:48 |
| RST38h | General: I.e. when Meego dies, it will be due to LF, not due to Nokia or Intel | 15:48 |
| Vampir3 | lcul: tnx dude, but one more question, can i have meego and fedora together? | 15:48 |
| lcuk | Vampir3, perhaps, but that is a question for later | 15:49 |
| lcuk | ensure meego works happily on your hardware and does what you want | 15:49 |
| lcuk | then ask about dualbooting etc | 15:49 |
| * lcuk recalls somewhere it is | 15:49 | |
| RST38h | Where is qt4 git by the way? | 15:49 |
| * RST38h is tired of seeking help from eager idiots and going to check what the code is actually doing | 15:50 | |
| Vampir3 | lcuk: tnx alot dude :) | 15:50 |
| RST38h | ah found it | 15:50 |
| lcuk | RST38h, link then, and would your gained knowledge allow you to become an eager idiot also? | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: No, it would just make me more sad. | 15:51 |
| RST38h | lcuk: as it should, actually | 15:51 |
| RST38h | http://qt.gitorious.org/ | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | Mghm, no Harmattan patches | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | not looking hard enough then | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Tried searching even, but no doughnut. Is there some special git with the harmattan version? | 15:56 |
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| Ans5i | RST38h: what would you like to find? | 15:57 |
| RST38h | Ans5i: QMainWindow source code | 15:58 |
| Ans5i | RST38h: that should be there, but i think that meegotouch doesn't really use it anyway. http://apidocs.meego.com/git-tip/ | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Ans5i: That is not what I am trying to find. | 16:03 |
| Ans5i | that git tip seems to be quite old. | 16:03 |
| RST38h | Actually, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/q/qt4-x11/ | 16:03 |
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| Ans5i | yep | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morn n8willis | 16:22 |
| n8willis | morning! | 16:22 |
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| RST38h | How interesting...There is exactly ONE reference to harmattan in latest Qt source code | 16:27 |
| RST38h | in QNetworkAccessManager | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Aha, "Meego" brings 23 files | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Pretty much limited to dloading meegotouch stuff in QApplication constructor | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | ....and here is our suspect: http://pastebin.com/43hWWLUh | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | moo vasvlad | 16:37 |
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| * RST38h is closing up on the evil navigation bar thingie | 16:38 | |
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| RST38h | Let us see if QObject offers any introspection... | 16:41 |
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| gabrbedd | n8willis: hey bro! fancy seeing you here | 16:42 |
| n8willis | zup? | 16:42 |
| gabrbedd | you know... gonna be 108 today | 16:43 |
| slaine | n8willis: almost ready for the #n950club I see | 16:43 |
| n8willis | slaine, yeah, it took some doin' .... painful process | 16:43 |
| gabrbedd | n8willis: slaine: Do they have initiation rites? | 16:44 |
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| n8willis | still I hope to have somethign in hand for LinuxCon | 16:44 |
| n8willis | gabrbedd, Hazing ain't dead | 16:45 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: my consisted of getting wasted on cough medicine and Jolt cola, while dancing to early 80's american hardcore punk | 16:45 |
| slaine | not really | 16:45 |
| * gabrbedd thinks of the hacking+drinking contest in "The Social Network" | 16:46 | |
| * slaine hasn't seen it | 16:46 | |
| gabrbedd | slaine: haha :-) | 16:46 |
| slaine | lol | 16:46 |
| slaine | nelson has a lot to answer for | 16:46 |
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| * n8willis only watches movies about vampires | 16:46 | |
| slaine | oh, reminds me, latest trueblood episode should be available | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | twilight? | 16:47 |
| gabrbedd | n8willis: maybe that could be the sequel for The Social Network. | 16:47 |
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| n8willis | gabrbedd, it'd certainly have a lot of pale, nocturnal people | 16:48 |
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| gabrbedd | Instead of being "vampire vegetarians", they still eat people... but only do "ethical hacking" | 16:48 |
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| slaine | groan | 16:48 |
| slaine | and not in the biblical sense | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | lbt, so I just use the .tar.gz I normally use for maemo autobuilder | 17:13 |
| lcuk | and add an extra .spec file? | 17:13 |
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| lcuk | in BuildRequires should I also specify gcc and stuff? | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 17:25 |
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| arfoll | anyone got any ideas why this is failing? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=i586&package=libomxil-bellagio&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Axbmc-testing&repository=DE_Trunk | 17:30 |
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| arfoll | it works on my local machine but I don't understand the error it's giving me on OBS | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | make yourself happier and make -j1 | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | if it doesn't happen there, you've messed up dependancies somewhere | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | ie, a race condition | 17:31 |
| arfoll | uhm i'll check its not a race | 17:32 |
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| arfoll | wow nice instincts Stskeeps | 17:32 |
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| arfoll | question is do I fix the makefile.... or do I just make -j1 in the spec.... | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | fix the makefile ideally | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | less build power used | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | it's usually something about demos not waiting for src etc | 17:34 |
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| arfoll | i'll have a look at it when i can, luckly its a tiny pkg. | 17:35 |
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| arfoll | cheers for the help though, it had me confused like hell last night | 17:36 |
| Bostik | arfoll: looks like your installation path (DESTDIR?) is empty, and since it resolves to "", rpmbuild ends up trying to copy files directly into the build worker root | 17:39 |
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| arfoll | Bostik, yeah thats the new problem, because I went too fast and didn't use the make install macro ;-) | 17:42 |
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| Bostik | heh | 17:43 |
| Bostik | that happens :) | 17:43 |
| arfoll | it's been a busy day... | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | omg obs actually got as far as compiling stuff | 18:14 |
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| timoph | lcuk: \o/ | 18:14 |
| * timoph hasn't succeeded in building anything for harmattan target yet | 18:15 | |
| lcuk | timoph, from maemo packages it should be simpler | 18:15 |
| timoph | maybe that's a hint that I should stick with rpms :) | 18:15 |
| lcuk | sometimes as simple as moving the .desktop file | 18:15 |
| lcuk | from /usr/share/applications/hildon to /usr/share/applications | 18:15 |
| * lcuk considers this a postinst step perhaps or just duplicate the entries hmm | 18:16 | |
| timoph | yep. I've done that for some package I pulled from maemo and rpm packaged them | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | timoph, it seems my package has extra file which can be removed | 18:19 |
| lcuk | but not sure how to do it | 18:19 |
| lcuk | from spec | 18:19 |
| timoph | dirty way would be to rm it in the %install section | 18:20 |
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| timoph | or you can do a patch | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | or %exclude | 18:22 |
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| CosmoHill | yay | 18:23 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: %exclude goes into %files section? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | right, afaik | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | i just removed the files from the .tar..gz and makefile | 18:30 |
| lcuk | they only really made sense directly in the n8x0 maemo build | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | what is ldconfig | 18:34 |
| lcuk | ? | 18:34 |
| timoph | /sbin/ldconfig - configure dynamic linker run time bindings | 18:35 |
| timoph | ldconfig(8) man page :) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | yes timoph, however I have never used it for liqbase | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | it is the thing that creates symlink between liq.so and lib.so.1 I gather? | 18:38 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: No... it's like a pre-compiled index of .so files. | 18:40 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: After you add .so files in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib, the dynamic linker won't find them until you've run ldconfig to update the index. | 18:40 |
| lcuk | ah | 18:41 |
| lcuk | thanks | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: However, if you use LD_LIBRARY_PATH, it searches that before going to the index. | 18:41 |
| lcuk | so what creates the symlink between lib.so and lib.so.1 | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: you mean... like libliq.so and libliq.so.1 ?? | 18:41 |
| gabrbedd | (for example) | 18:42 |
| lcuk | yes | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | in my manual instructions I do an "ln -s..." | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | IIRC, each application is responsible for doing it. | 18:42 |
| lcuk | <the-boss> Got event BUILD_SUCCESS from home:lcuk | 18:42 |
| lcuk | <the-boss> Looking to handle BUILD_SUCCESS in home:lcuk | 18:42 |
| gabrbedd | Some applications use libtool, and it possibly auto-does-that. | 18:42 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Only you can set the SOVERSION, because that affects the ABI of your library. | 18:43 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, thanks, I have just added a manual step in the post for now | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | well libliqbase and libliqbase-devel can install, nice. | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | timoph, that be the first part of lightsabre school done \o | 19:09 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Now that I think of it... usually libfoo.so gets shipped in the devel package, and libfoo.so.1 gets shipped in the user binary. | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, cool, I will see how it works for now, obs appears to have accepted it through | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | it was easier than expected to make it build in obs | 19:29 |
| javispedro | ldconfig also does links | 19:29 |
| javispedro | libfoo.so.1 -> libfoo.so.1.latest | 19:29 |
| lcuk | just grab the .tar.gz I would normally upload to maemo, quick bit of tinkering and managed a build | 19:29 |
| lcuk | thanks javispedro | 19:29 |
| javispedro | it does not do libfoo.so -> libfoo.so.anything though | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | mostly because that last link is the one that decides which library you link with when doing -lfoo, so user (or package manager) chooses where that link should point to. | 19:30 |
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| lcuk | oh balls | 19:34 |
| lcuk | liqbook does not link correctly, guessing it is related to the libliqbase dependency | 19:34 |
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| lcuk | (but it happily found the /includes | 19:35 |
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| arfoll | i apoligise in advance but https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=i586&package=libomxil-bellagio&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Axbmc-testing&repository=MeeGo_1.0_Core_standard and http://pastebin.com/bQQMjUwh | 19:46 |
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| arfoll | it complains it can't get the doc files when i put them in the yaml, but when i dont it says it cant find them | 19:47 |
| * arfoll is so confused today | 19:48 | |
| Stskeeps | ew meego 1.0 | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:48 |
| arfoll | lol its just for the example, fails the same everywhere | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | was it the race condition btw? | 19:49 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, yeah i do a make -j1 now and it fixed the compilation issues | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | can you remove the documentation mentions? | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i want to see the old error | 19:50 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, the older error is in the pastebin | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | .. %doc ? | 19:54 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, i had %doc before, i also was using docdir instead, but didnt change anything | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't immediately see it | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe a utf-8 character sneaking in or something? | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | or -doc has to be in -doc package | 19:56 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, looks all ascii | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, no clue then | 19:56 |
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| arfoll | stupid package | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: did you get PA working? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | or through alsa | 20:03 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, alsa, havent tried using that patch yet | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:04 |
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| arfoll | damnit i missed the shop closing time. no food for brendan again.... | 20:06 |
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| berndhs | lots of frogs and rabbits here, too stupid to run away. Need frog recipes. | 20:21 |
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| * rcg1 as an old frogger player breaks out in tears: leave the frogs alive... | 20:31 | |
| rcg1 | ;P | 20:31 |
| lcuk | qgil, congrats on getting far enough to need to file bugs! | 20:32 |
| lcuk | hopefully shall be cured or worked around reasonably quickly | 20:32 |
| qgil | lcuk: thanks :) well, I worked around it converting svg to png - works for a single device but not optimal if now we want to have e.g. Miniature in a tablet | 20:33 |
| qgil | lcuk: but well, good enough for a first release targeting handset | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | nice qgil, do you hope to also include it on the ovi store once it works well? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | so that n8etc users could also benefit and play | 20:35 |
| qgil | lcuk: of course | 20:35 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 20:35 |
| qgil | ah well, a Symbian port is another thing | 20:35 |
| qgil | We are staying within Qt but we haven't tried to deploy to a Symbian device yet | 20:36 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough | 20:37 |
| lcuk | I have seen many projects recently coming from symbian and being tweaked to run happily on n950 | 20:37 |
| lcuk | mja's game works better on the n9 than on his n8 | 20:37 |
| qgil | we'll see | 20:38 |
| w00t_ | qgil: ah, you're here, was about to ask if you had a copy of one of the svgs - since they're not on gitorious | 20:38 |
| qgil | w00t_: I sent you the URL, just go to e.g. https://gitorious.org/miniature/miniature/blobs/master/data/pieces/black/bishop.svg a click on "Raw blob data" | 20:39 |
| w00t_ | ah, thanks.. multitasking a bit atm due to a small rl crisis so i might have missed it | 20:39 |
| qgil | w00t_: this is why I added the URL also at https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-20698 ;) | 20:41 |
| * lcuk slides w00t_ a coffee | 20:42 | |
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| * w00t_ loves that we all have mobile phones - but firmly wishes people would answer them in times of need :P | 20:43 | |
| * javispedro eventually switched from QtSvg to rsvg as SVG renderer on his icon webapp... | 20:43 | |
| javispedro | I was surprised with the sad state of svg rasterizers everywhere. | 20:43 |
| javispedro | the Qt one is not bad but was also heavily incomplete | 20:44 |
| w00t_ | javispedro: the svg standard is absolutely huge though, so it's not really unsurprising | 20:44 |
| qgil | javispedro: those svg files I'm using render perfectly well when just calling the Image file - the problem is in GridView, ListModel or both | 20:44 |
| w00t_ | and yeah, there's nothing wrong with that svg | 20:45 |
| javispedro | ah, so then it's probably an easy bug :) | 20:45 |
| w00t_ | i might look around a bit more, but i'm digging into new territory as i've not looked at declarative's code a great deal | 20:45 |
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| gandhijee_ | hey, i found out how to make the HDMI output work on the exoPC for those people that are reporting errors | 20:47 |
| gandhijee_ | is there a place i can post the follow up information? | 20:47 |
| qgil | w00t_: no worries, I hope someone paid to make GridView work will look at it ;) | 20:48 |
| blauzahl | gandhijee_: i don't know, but do tell us when you do :) | 20:51 |
| gandhijee_ | blauzahl: if you know where i can post it please let me know! ive seen a couple people with the problem, but no ones posted the soluton yet | 20:52 |
| gandhijee_ | *solution | 20:52 |
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| antman8969 | qgil, you've been developing more lately. | 20:58 |
| antman8969 | are you tasked with helping release content for harmattan? | 20:58 |
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| npm | qgil: would love to see a few symbian media apps on n950 : http://nokia-news.com/cnn-launches-international-news-app-for-nokia-symbian3-devices-on-ovi-store/ and this one needs porting to symbian/n9/n950: http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/blog/ios/hbo-go-application-surpasses-1-million-downloads/ | 21:10 |
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| npm | HBO Go works nice in the MeeGo 1.2 tablet (exopc) now that i've installed flash 11 and upgraded to much later 1.2.0.90 | 21:12 |
| npm | although i find it annoying that each provider needs to use their own GUI and player, instead of putting it on some kind of secured media feed | 21:13 |
| lcuk | npm where did the later flash build come from? | 21:13 |
| npm | adobe | 21:13 |
| npm | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html | 21:13 |
| npm | it requires moving some stuff around from the distributed 32 bit deb | 21:14 |
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| npm | but that's all in a days work :-)... | 21:15 |
| lcuk | dare I ask after hearing about apps: can it be put onto obs with a patch? | 21:15 |
| npm | hell no, that would be crazy | 21:15 |
| qgil | antman8969: you mean that I have *started* developing lately ;) | 21:15 |
| npm | what would make sense would be to have a script that downloads it from adobe and runs the transformations on each persons workstation | 21:15 |
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| qgil | antman8969: I'm doing this as personal training, to learn about Qt Quick - and for fun | 21:16 |
| lcuk | ++ for fun | 21:16 |
| qgil | antman8969: helping to get a chess mobile app based on Qt for MeeGo & etc is the main incentive | 21:17 |
| lcuk | qgil, I often still ponder voice driven chess | 21:17 |
| lcuk | for in car mental challenges! | 21:17 |
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| npm | qgil: it would be terrible just having the n950 just sitting there (nature abhors an empty repository) | 21:17 |
| qgil | qgil: I'm definitely not having my device sitting there, but at some point reporting user bugs was less fun (since things are getting pretty good) and this is why I decided to open finally the hood,.. | 21:18 |
| * qgil seems to be in a dialog with himself ;) | 21:18 | |
| berndhs | lcuk: yeah another thing to distract driver attention | 21:19 |
| lcuk | berndhs, was tongue in cheek, but the idea of voice control did come up at the dublin conf | 21:19 |
| lcuk | was in part related to mikhas over the shoulder of person playing chess giving hints | 21:20 |
| npm | qgil: yeah, bug reporting is very un-fun... excellent that you are out there with the dev-troops :-)... very tasty dogfood here i must confess.... | 21:20 |
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| berndhs | there used to be a voice interface for bank PIDs, i wonder who's idea that was | 21:21 |
| berndhs | "please say your password louder" | 21:21 |
| lcuk | PID? | 21:21 |
| qgil | (I actually find bug reporting fun - even more if as an incentive you get a device when the OS is far from ready and just a few real users are hitting its edges) | 21:21 |
| berndhs | Personal Identification number | 21:21 |
| npm | qgil: my converted qtzibit demo app Bugzibit might make bug tracking more interesting: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugzhibit-timeline.png | 21:23 |
| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugxhibit.png --> searching for "harmattan" on BMC | 21:24 |
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| npm | but i don't know about fun :-) | 21:24 |
| lcuk | npm, that looks reasonable | 21:24 |
| lcuk | even more so because I am assigned to bug 13084 | 21:24 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, liquid, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 21:24 |
| qgil | npm: well done, but I think I'm done with bug festivals for now - as it took me a year to recover from the Fremantle bug festival ;) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | hopefully my extra practice I am trying to do around obs will help | 21:25 |
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| npm | well that's only one of 20 or so apps ... bugzibit will be in next version of http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit_0_0_3_armel.deb | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | which part of the system does the linker convert a library "-l[library]" into actual .so | 21:40 |
| lcuk | is it the ldconfig thing from earlier? | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | chouchoune: i also needed to test how meeting bot works with foreign languages anyway ;) | 22:09 |
| chouchoune | haha | 22:10 |
| chouchoune | you see then ;) | 22:10 |
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| gandhijee_ | hey, i am using a USB wifi adapter because the PCIe one doesn't work in meego. how do i get my USB wifi dongle to automatically connect at start up | 22:40 |
| gandhijee_ | so i don't have to turn on the wifi throught the panel | 22:40 |
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| auke | gandhijee_: you have to at least once use the UI to connect to an access point | 22:43 |
| auke | gandhijee_: after that it will do it automatically | 22:43 |
| gandhijee_ | auke: thats the issue, when i reboot it won | 22:43 |
| gandhijee_ | t automaically reconnect to the AP | 22:43 |
| gandhijee_ | i have to go through the UI and turn WiFI back on | 22:43 |
| gandhijee_ | then it will connect | 22:44 |
| auke | your hardware might turn off the device at boot | 22:44 |
| gandhijee_ | auke: nope i have another meego netbook with the exact same setup | 22:44 |
| auke | does the alt-fn keycombo work to turn it on? | 22:44 |
| gandhijee_ | and it starts up fine at boot | 22:44 |
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| gandhijee_ | no, its a USB dongle - external to the machien | 22:44 |
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| auke | well, it works for me, usb dongle too | 22:45 |
| auke | automatically reconnects just fine | 22:45 |
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| auke | shrug, sorry | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | awesome seeing #meego-meeting in French tonight | 23:03 |
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| Jaffa | Ev'ning, all | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 23:07 |
| lcuk | hi Jaffa, sunbaked? | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Not too bad :) | 23:08 |
| lcuk | good good | 23:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Was damned hot in a Parisian park yesterday | 23:08 |
| lcuk | it has been warm and humid over here too | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | So I hear. Thundery downpours for the last leg of our journey up the M1 or M40 tomorrow | 23:09 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, if you want extra French, the #meego-meeting is discussing French related topics | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | Oh, bon | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | J'adore parles en francais, mais je ne suis pas tres bien | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, good trip? | 23:12 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: problem with charset ;) | 23:13 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: oh no, it's OK for the HTML version | 23:13 |
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| chouchoune | but not the .txt version | 23:14 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Aye, looking forward to getting back to a real computer | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, n950? | 23:14 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: 'sok, but no Twitter client and not got my favourite bookmarks. Terminal's a bit limited too (e.g. lack of c&p) | 23:15 |
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| * Jaffa needs to send a few emails tomorrow, following up things from before holiday (and looking over lbt's email and wiki pages in more detail) | 23:18 | |
| lbt | :) | 23:18 |
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