IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2011-08-02

lardmanhmm, libharmattaneventfeed doesn't have a debian directory00:00
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lardmanshame we don't have an extras repo, would mean I'd not need to package it up myself, etc., etc00:02
lcuklardman, you should not have to package it up etc00:04
lcukif it is designed for use in harmattan, request a harmattan package00:04
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lcuklardman, or can you just include it into your project, it is just a shim around dbus00:05
lardmanI know, but I'd prefer to use a library api than to either include the source directly or just re-implement the wrappers00:05
lardmanafterall if provides a useful service00:05
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lcuklardman, for sure00:06
* lcuk admires the eventview in harmattan00:07
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lcuksince the event view itself is as simple as that00:07
lcukperhaps we could make an eventview app on n9x0-ce00:07
lcukso same source from your side could compile00:07
lardmanwould seem sensible00:08
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gintoxicis samsung making a meego phone?01:25
wmaronehighly unlikely01:26
wmaronethey may make a non-Android, Debian based device eventually though01:26
gintoxichi wmarone !01:26
gintoxicis there a way to get an open source phone to prevent governments from spying on them?01:26
wmaronenot really, unless you have the source for the baseband01:27
wmaroneyou can always pull the battery and stop making phone calls if you are that concerned01:27
gintoxicno i want to make phones that can communicate privately!01:27
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wmaronethen you could transmit via the data channel, and encrypt everything01:28
wmaronebut spying, I have yet to see evidence that goes beyond GPS or tower triangulation01:28
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gintoxicwell some was prevented01:29
gintoxicit's not always a losing game!  but the wins are soemtimes secrit01:29
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gintoxicdo you like video games?01:30
wmaronekind of a random topic switch, but yes01:30
gintoxicnot at all01:31
gintoxicwhen we play games we exchange a lot of data01:32
gintoxicbut we want to keep our accounts secure01:32
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gintoxic'shall we play a game'01:34
gintoxicso you are right, this much is our great inheritance from the men who made tcp/ip01:34
Ulf^Al Gore? *g*01:36
gintoxicfreedom loving computer science guys01:38
gintoxicthe point-and-click people gave meego nice reviews01:39
npm --> meego bugs viewed in
vgradesamsung are doing something meego,
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vgradeor were01:52
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gintoxichi vgrade01:56
gintoxicthanks for the info01:56
wmaronevgrade: it will be interesting to see what (if anything) they do, seeing as how raster has been working heavily on -something- over there01:58
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djszapiStskeeps mmh, same issue like ages ago :(
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gintoxichey the stskeeps if we can help you please let know02:14
djszapiif you talk to me, just read the link then =)02:15
SpeedEvilwmarone: Indeed. It's a new cutting edge UI based around motif.02:16
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gintoxicyoutube-dl    me and my friends made this song in 1993-1994 MOTHAFUCKAAAAAS02:50
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idreamerhi... i'm go back to this rom for try to resolve my problem. I install meego on emmc on n900. now i want go back but i can't like this other user post on forum
idreamersomeone can help me and my brick n900?03:55
idreamerfor example.... you use "u" key at poweron for flashing? o meego use other char?03:57
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thiagoidreamer: the flashing tool talks to the bootloader, not to meego04:09
thiagoso it's still U04:09
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berndhsgood night05:20
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sofarthe foul language in this channel is out of control!07:55
sofar<dm8tbr> moaning07:55
* sofar giggles07:55
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dm8tbrmood groaning sofar08:02
sofaryou sir08:02
sofarmake me want to open a beer08:03
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dm8tbrStskeeps: In conversation with lbt it came up that the bot thing still needs consolidation. should we work on it together?09:38
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Stskeepsdm8tbr: yes, i've just been a bit mind absent lately to do anything about it09:40
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lbtX-Fade: Stskeeps: have you seen any announcements from LF?10:25
Stskeepsno, but as they're US based..10:26
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timophlbt: wth?10:58
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lbttimoph: you know we've been kinda distracted wrt obs and stuff recently... well10:59
timophI'd move c.obs to formeego.org11:00
dm8tbrit is regrettable that LF moves itself out of the picture without showing a possible way to go11:00
lbtwell, that's for "the community" to decide.11:01
dm8tbrmy work to get to the forMeeGo situation was to avoid uncontrolled community fragmentation11:01
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lbtI tried to keep my opinion separate... though I made up the options so would be glad to see more. My serious suggestions is to leave as a TM placeholder with .img and .rpm downloads and a web page11:02
dm8tbrstill I'd expect a high profile thing as apps.$whatever to be, though as lbt stated I'm happy to give the formeego domain to be used by any community efforts.11:02
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timoph"community" decision making in meego is pretty much non-existant11:02
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antman8969reading now... unsettling11:03
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timoph"community" == OSS folk and non paid contributors11:03
dm8tbra split like redhat/fedora, suse/opensuse is what should have been encouraged and fostered by LF instead of letting it happen out of necessity11:03
dm8tbrbut as meego is 'that business thing' the community remains an afterthought and necessary evil it seems11:05
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* dm8tbr tones down the devils advocate hat a notch11:06
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* timoph kicks nokia nat11:08
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timophanyway. IMO building a community controlled version of MeeGo seems to be the way to go11:09
timophand I'm not talking about forking11:09
bergietimoph: +111:10
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dm8tbrtimoph: exactly, all but forking11:14
lbtFWIW people... I think the wiki page has the main issues11:14
lbtthe current plan is to move the web php-app out11:14
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lbtbut that doesn't IMHO touch the *stated* problem11:15
lbtc.obs is the elephant in the room11:15
lbtand, for that matter, home projects on core OBS11:16
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dm8tbrwell they already have some restrictions in place there11:16
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lbthey leinir11:20
slaineSo, been away for a long weekend and it seems somethings up in the land of meego11:20
slainecan anyone summarize or point me to a url ?11:20
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arfollsucks about :-(11:22
slainetimoph: thanks11:22
slainevgrade, arfoll Nice work on the MeeGo TV trimslice11:22
leinirHey lbt :)11:23
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dm8tbrJFTR: there are other roadblocks in the community meego story.11:29
dm8tbrone is artwork, it's another elephant in the room nobody wants to mention11:29
lbtoh... that's something else I have 'in progress'11:30
dm8tbrall reference UX artwork is non-free11:30
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dm8tbrand that's not restricted to the MeeGo(tm,r,...) logo11:30
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dm8tbrsome curvy line in a ux? can't use, it's for compliant devices only11:30
lbtbut dm8tbr that's kinda OK ... what's not OK is that the non-free reference is given special treatment11:30
timophtake meego core and slap plasma active on top of it. problem solved :p11:31
dm8tbrwell you can't even use the existing PSD file as a tool to design completely new UX elements11:32
Stskeepsyou know, i actually wonder what license our N900 CE theme has11:32
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dm8tbrso you'd need to reinvent tooling11:32
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nghtwsh/move window 1011:33
timophoh. it's that bad :/11:33
dm8tbrthat's ok for a $big-vendor11:33
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dm8tbrbut if we want to e.g. design a non-infringing meego-ux graphics set we need to start at zero11:34
Andy80hi guys11:34
dm8tbrcommunity may not be part of the high level MeeGo business story, but it comes back full circle on lower levels.11:35
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timophdm8tbr: feel like setting up a task force? count me in.11:35
lbtI think moving the entirety of community away from LF is the sane medium term plan11:36
dm8tbrtimoph: screw task force JFDI, LF would just stall the topic for half a year like they did with ForMeeGo11:36
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dm8tbrMeeGo needs the community if they want to go anywhere, they just don't (want to) realize that11:36
timophdm8tbr: well "task force" as in get people working on it now :)11:37
timophanyway. I'm out for lunch. bbl11:37
Andy80it's only my opinion or LF are totally crazy?11:37
dm8tbrtimoph: hyvää ruokahalua :)11:37
* RST38h reads Stskeeps' post about LF 11:37
* RST38h suggests hosting Meego applications at infrastructure11:37
dm8tbrAndy80: I wouldn't go that far. it's just business case high level thinking, meets reality. trainwreck, slwo motion.11:38
RST38hBTW, gentlemen, are you basically reimplementing PackRat again? "This service is a web application which indexes certain community vetted, OSI-approved-licensed applications built by individual community members at the C.OBS" <== this is PackRat11:38
Andy80no no no.... please be serious guys :)11:38
BostikI don't like the term "Task Force", it sounds like something a committee would put together to get the problem shoved under the carpet11:39
Andy80if we would listen to them, no website would host any application!11:39
Andy80think to sourceforge, gitorious, github ecc....11:39
lbtI think moving the entirety of community away from LF is the sane medium term plan11:39
bergieRST38h: apps does a bit more than that, there is a formal QA process like on maemo downloads11:39
Andy80are we crazy?!11:39
Andy80after almost 2 years of meego.com11:39
Andy80they realize they don't want to host any application?!11:40
bergieAndy80: If I understand the US software patents situation correctly, hosting source code is no problem. Hosting binaries is11:40
RST38hbergie: So, it is Why not do it at then?11:40
lbtbergie: read the problem statement carefully11:40
bergieRST38h: because it is MeeGo :-)11:40
RST38hbergie: who cares what it is?11:40
Andy80omg O_o11:41
RST38hbergie: it is pretty consistent with what Maemo was/is, I doubt two letters make that much of a difference in principle11:41
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Andy80so any app store could violate software patents!11:41
bergieRST38h: also, the Apps service we've done for MeeGo is way ahead of the Maemo one... OBS instead of autobuilder, BOSS, proper review forms etc11:41
Andy80I really cannot belive that USA lawas are more stupid then italian one!11:41
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RST38hbergie: Does not mean you can run both under the same domain though11:41
Andy80it's simply not possible :P11:41
bergieRST38h: sure, but is already approved and available, AFAIK11:41
arfollslaine, cheers so are you getting one>11:42
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dm8tbrbergie: correct, cost me more than half a year11:42
bergiedm8tbr: ah, you have the domain? Cool11:42
dm8tbrbergie: yes I'm the 'Thomas' mentioned by lbt11:43
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bergiewe could theoretically set up a nonprofit to own the domain etc, if we want to11:43
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dm8tbrI'm also know as don quixote de la meego11:43
slainearfoll, Afraid not. Although it's greatly reduced at $175 (assuming I qualified via the MeeGo Device program) I simply can't justify the expense when I've a wife and 3 kids to feed and cloth (and school supplies to purchase)11:43
Andy80bergie: and we would not have the same patents problems :) ?11:43
X-FadeSFLC took a look at it for Debian, but LF obviously doesn't have time or resources to look at this.11:44
RST38hbergie: Dunno, I have come to believe that in order to make it a successful project, you need to stick with the original Maemo community and stay away from the official LF stuff11:44
bergieAndy80: no silly software patents in Europe11:44
lbtAndy80: part of the risk the LF face is that they are an attractive target for anti-OSS trolls11:44
RST38hbergie: They do not appear to be interested in a community at all11:45
bergieI think the distro work happening on MeeGo is pretty good11:45
Andy80bergie, lbt: what about simply moving foundation/project to Europe?11:45
bergieI just saw an interesting MeeGo deployment from a small company last week :-)11:45
RST38hbergie: Is it done by LF?11:45
lbtAndy80: yes...
X-FadeAndy80: LF can't just move :)11:46
Andy80LF should just drop MeeGo11:46
bergieRST38h: nah, that work is Intel (and probably Nokia and other guys)11:46
Andy80they are not capable anymore to manage it11:46
RST38hBTW, can I add a .deb to the repo?11:46
Andy80they're only ruining the project11:46
RST38hbergie: exactly11:46
bergiein the worst case we just block some apps from being available in the US. On Maemo Downloads we already so some country blocking for export restrictions, AFAIK11:47
arfollslaine, too bad - hopefully your kid will force you to get one ;-)11:47
bergieRST38h: you can build for Harmattan there, yes11:48
slainearfoll, the eldest wants my n95011:48
RST38hbergie: What if I have built elsewhere, can I put up a prebuilt deb file?11:48
slaineunless grade can help out, I probably won't be in a position to get something sorted 'til october11:49
bergieRST38h: lbt can probably answer that better, but my gut feel is "no"11:49
dm8tbrRST38h: i don't think so, that would be against the concept11:49
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arfollslaine, sounds like he's smart! maybe you can get one from your work - for research?11:49
* RST38h sighs, goes off to create his own repository elsewhere11:49
bergieRST38h: what is the problem with building on OBS?11:50
dm8tbrRST38h: why do you think building on cobs is not what you want to do?11:50
meiviquestion... which language is meego apps based on, for the nokia phone..11:50
X-FadeRST38h: No non-free.11:50
Stskeepsmeivi: Qt/QML11:50
slainearfoll: already asked and idea was rejected11:50
RST38hdm8tbr: Cause I have open source and non open source packages11:50
slainethat's why I started the do it my self approach11:50
slainewe'll see what happens11:51
RST38hdm8tbr: Cause the current package will not build on OBS11:51
lbtRST38h: why ?11:51
RST38hlbt: depends.11:51
bergieyou can submit non-free to Ovi, I think11:51
meiviis that similar to java? c?11:51
lbtwhich depends?11:51
arfollslaine, too bad :-(, next meego conf we all get given tegra2 devices?11:51
X-FadeRST38h: Then you need to fix building?11:51
dm8tbrRST38h: if it doesn't build on cobs, file a bug11:51
lbtRST38h: Aard is helping out here11:52
slainearfoll, lol, that'd be nice11:52
RST38hAnyway, the universal explanation for "why?" is "just because"11:52
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slaineunless vgrade can help out, that should have said. Damn spell checker.11:54
arfollslaine, vgrade has spares?11:56
slainearfoll: don't know, it would be great if he did11:57
bergieRST38h: I really hope we don't go back to the pre-Fremantle situation of people installing stuff from dozens of random repos11:57
arfollwell it would be cool to get someone else on the trimslice team :-)11:57
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dm8tbrbergie: <troll> but I thought that's what RPM was all about, using rpmfind and installing whatever it spits out</troll>11:59
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bergiethe good thing about OBS is that even your "home projects" there will be built on common, maintained base12:00
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RST38hbergie: We already have.12:10
RST38hbergie: Simply by not continuing to use extras for Harmattan and Meego apps12:10
chouchounearfoll: I'ld like too12:11
chouchouneI have a trimslice and wanted at the beginning to port Meego on it12:12
chouchounebut vgrade is better than me ;)12:12
chouchouneslaine: where are you located ?12:12
slainechouchoune: Dublin12:13
slaineyourselft ?12:13
chouchouneFrance (Nice)12:13
* slaine gets coffee12:13
slaineYes, France is nice….<boom'tish>12:13
slaineoh dear, it's getting bad12:14
chouchouneslaine: if you want a Trimslice quickly I could get one to you, but it should stay my property ;)12:14
chouchouneI have 2 of them12:14
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arfollchouchone, vgrade has an image with meego on it, it's not too hard12:22
arfollso that part is done ;-)12:23
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arfollif you feel like working
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chouchounearfoll: yes, I know it's nor hard, it's just that he did it quickly12:27
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chouchouneI've seen that TODO list, I'll try to get things done ;)12:27
arfollchouchoune, yeah vgrade is fast... cool well keep us updated on what you plan on doing no need to duplicate work12:28
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arfollhe beat me to finding my own hardfp xbmc builds where done...12:28
chouchounesure, I'll let you know12:30
vvaltonearfoll, do you know if HDMI-CEC is possible?-)12:32
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arfollvvaltone, I don't know, I haven't even started to look at HDMI yet, been using DVI12:32
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vvaltonethe new tv I got recently supports it and very convenient feature12:32
vvaltoneit allows you to use a single remote that passes the control through hdmi12:33
arfollbut dont most tvs have their own protocols?12:33
vvaltoneno, they're the same12:33
arfolli thought sony CEC could only talk to sony stuff12:35
vvaltoneor well, I don't really know about the wire protocol, but Panasonic's one and ps3 work nicely12:35
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lbtX-Fade can you and dm8tbr talk DNS ?13:18
X-Fadelbt: Sure.13:19
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GreatgibIs "formeego" the real planned dns or just a codename? (because it is a little ugly as a name...)14:28
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X-FadeGreatgib: it is real.14:30
X-FadeGreatgib: It is because of the meego trademark14:30
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lcuki have to go offline, migraine stomping on my thoughts, bbl14:35
GreatgibX-Fade: I understood that, but don't understand why nothing more sexy was found like meegoapps or 4meego or appformeego, meegomunity,...14:36
X-FadeGreatgib: Because that touches the trademark.14:37
X-FadeGreatgib: You can always say for meego, but not meegoxxxx14:38
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GreatgibX-Fade: but the linux fondation could allow to use they trademark without implying that they are responsible regarding patent issues and things like that no?14:43
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X-FadeGreatgib: Aparently not.14:45
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GreatgibThis is strange.14:46
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M4rtinK2X-Fade: is there some list of what is available on the Harmattan cobs target ? :)14:47
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M4rtinK2looks like that debhelper and cdbs are both available but too old to build unmodified sid packages...14:48
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X-FadeM4rtinK2: Yeah, the obs just has an imported sdk. Nothing I can do about that.14:49
M4rtinK2X-Fade: ah, ok :)14:49
X-FadeM4rtinK2: You should see the same in scratchbox.14:50
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M4rtinK2X-Fade: also, any idea why quite a few package self tests fail ? like:
M4rtinK2I think I remember quite a few Fremantle packages having tests disabled because of similar errors14:53
X-FadeM4rtinK2: Might be a qemu bug.14:56
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M4rtinK2ok, I'll try to disable the tests to see if it helps :)14:56
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lcuktimoph, light sabre construction school.  where is the best place for learning about library packaging for .spec files and stuff?15:21
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Stskeepsstart with yaml and go from there15:22
lcukStskeeps, documentation/tutorials?15:23
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lcukthe ones around meego I found were mostly for a trivial qt app15:23
timophlook up existing packages15:24
lcuknot more indepth library needing -devel and potentially dbg builds15:24
* lcuk goes hunting 15:24
Stskeepsrest can be picked up as example from other .yaml files15:25
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lcukthe same should be used for projects currently aiming at harmattan I gather15:25
lcuksince I notice a lot of the projects there are merely reusing their debian packaging15:26
lcukand not having meego repository enabled15:26
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timophyeah. The fact that most people don't make their stuff available for other targets than harmattan troubles me15:29
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timophwell. I guess I'm even with them since I mostly build stuff only for meego (CE)15:30
GeneralAntillestimoph, does Components work on vanilla MeeGo?15:30
lcuktimoph, it is a metter of simplicity and understanding15:30
timophGeneralAntilles: not yet15:30
GeneralAntillesWell, then, mystery solved. . . .15:30
timophGeneralAntilles: CE should have them in the next build15:30
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lcukif yaml can generate both hmt.debian and rpm.spec then we should be trying to push it15:30
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GeneralAntillesFrankly I think the software patent argument is bullshit.15:35
Stskeepsafter the nortel buyout i think there's reason to be cautious15:36
RST38hGeneral: It does not matter15:36
RST38hGeneral: What DOES matter is that Linux Foundation is not interested in individual contributors to Meego15:36
GeneralAntillesBut we've known THAT for a while.15:36
lcukwhat is WITH the random word capitalisation? :P15:37
SpeedEvilUpstream only is fine. If upstream cares about mobile spaces, and will accept patches.15:37
RST38hGeneral: But this means that it is best to dsitance oneself from LF and its services as far as possible15:37
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's a substitute for italics.15:37
lbtas I say : No idea how the (currently favoured) solution solves the stated problem. Makes one wonder if the problem to be solved is openly stated.15:37
RST38hGeneral: I.e. separate forum, separate repositories, separate build system etc15:37
RST38hGeneral: In fact, I would do this on the infrastructure15:38
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lbtIMHO more sensible is to have the whole project (core OBS too) under another name and allow LF to have a clear role as a the trademark and compliance owner for MeeGo15:39
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RST38hlbt: i.e. ignore LF, essentially?15:40
Stskeepsand provide releases to them once in a while?15:40
lbtignore.... sideline15:40
RST38hStskeeps: No15:41
lbtand yes, release to them15:41
RST38hStskeeps: Release to the world.15:41
RST38hIf they want the release then, they can take it, or not15:41
lbtRST38h: the project's raison d'etre is to release code to MeeGo ...15:41
lbtI support that15:41
lbtbig time15:41
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RST38hlbt: Well, it looks like the Meego official rights holder is not interested15:42
lcuklbt, which specific project - apps. ?15:42
lbtyou know... to some extent... they should not be15:42
lbtMeeGo is for vendors, not oss community15:42
RST38hlbt: So, I do not think making advances toward them is the right thing to do, especially considering that any misstep may trigger their lawyers into actions15:42
lbtwe should be providing grass-roots support too of course15:42
lbtyou mean LF ?15:43
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Vampir3hi everyone :)15:43
lbtmmm they're appearing somewhat rude and lazy IMHO ... but I dont know *why*. They're not being deliberately difficult15:43
X-FadeProblem with LF is that is basically too small to do much more than hold a trademark.15:44
lbtX-Fade: absolutely15:44
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X-FadeThey don't even have one person working on MeeGo full time, right?15:44
RST38hlbt: because they do not care. because youy are a nuisance to them15:44
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Vampir3i have fedora 15 on my netbook, how can i install meego?15:45
lbtRST38h: mmm ... not "me" .... "we"15:45
RST38hlbt: Not me, I am just watching the DRAMAH =)15:45
RST38hlbt: But basically, LF is a bunch of legal busybodies living off corporate donations to their non-profit15:46
Vampir3no body can help me? :(15:46
RST38hVampir3: 1) Remove Fedora 2) Install Meego15:47
GeneralAntillesWell, what advantage does the project really get out of LF?15:47
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GeneralAntillesMarketing for Intel?15:47
RST38h(but make sure your hardware is supported first, has to have SSSE3 instruction set and preferably no PowerVR)15:47
GeneralAntillesSo far they mostly seem to be providing roadblocks.15:47
RST38hGeneral: Legal endorsement15:47
lcukget meego onto a usb stick15:47
lcuktry it first15:47
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lcukif happy, install15:48
RST38hGeneral: Offloading the legal responsibility from Intel/Nokia15:48
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: vendor neutral ground, technically15:48
vvaltoneRST38h, AMD! ;-P15:48
RST38hGeneral: I.e. when Meego dies, it will be due to LF, not due to Nokia or Intel15:48
Vampir3lcul: tnx dude, but one more question, can i have meego and fedora together?15:48
lcukVampir3, perhaps, but that is a question for later15:49
lcukensure meego works happily on your hardware and does what you want15:49
lcukthen ask about dualbooting etc15:49
* lcuk recalls somewhere it is15:49
RST38hWhere is qt4 git by the way?15:49
* RST38h is tired of seeking help from eager idiots and going to check what the code is actually doing15:50
Vampir3lcuk: tnx alot dude :)15:50
RST38hah found it15:50
lcukRST38h, link then, and would your gained knowledge allow you to become an eager idiot also?15:51
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RST38hlcuk: No, it would just make me more sad.15:51
RST38hlcuk: as it should, actually15:51
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RST38hMghm, no Harmattan patches15:55
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Stskeepsnot looking hard enough then15:55
RST38hTried searching even, but no doughnut. Is there some special git with the harmattan version?15:56
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Ans5iRST38h: what would you like to find?15:57
RST38hAns5i: QMainWindow source code15:58
Ans5iRST38h: that should be there, but i think that meegotouch doesn't really use it anyway.
RST38hAns5i: That is not what I am trying to find.16:03
Ans5ithat git tip seems to be quite old.16:03
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RST38hHow interesting...There is exactly ONE reference to harmattan in latest Qt source code16:27
RST38hin QNetworkAccessManager16:27
RST38hAha, "Meego" brings 23 files16:28
RST38hPretty much limited to dloading meegotouch stuff in QApplication constructor16:30
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RST38h....and here is our suspect:
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RST38hmoo vasvlad16:37
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* RST38h is closing up on the evil navigation bar thingie16:38
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RST38hLet us see if QObject offers any introspection...16:41
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gabrbeddn8willis: hey bro!  fancy seeing you here16:42
gabrbeddyou know... gonna be 108 today16:43
slainen8willis: almost ready for the #n950club I see16:43
n8willisslaine, yeah, it took some doin' .... painful process16:43
gabrbeddn8willis: slaine: Do they have initiation rites?16:44
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n8willisstill I hope to have somethign in hand for LinuxCon16:44
n8willisgabrbedd, Hazing ain't dead16:45
slainegabrbedd: my consisted of getting wasted on cough medicine and Jolt cola, while dancing to early 80's american hardcore punk16:45
slainenot really16:45
* gabrbedd thinks of the hacking+drinking contest in "The Social Network"16:46
* slaine hasn't seen it16:46
gabrbeddslaine: haha :-)16:46
slainenelson has a lot to answer for16:46
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* n8willis only watches movies about vampires16:46
slaineoh, reminds me, latest trueblood episode should be available16:47
gabrbeddn8willis: maybe that could be the sequel for The Social Network.16:47
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n8willisgabrbedd, it'd certainly have a lot of pale, nocturnal people16:48
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gabrbeddInstead of being "vampire vegetarians", they still eat people... but only do "ethical hacking"16:48
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slaineand not in the biblical sense16:48
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lcuklbt, so I just use the .tar.gz I normally use for maemo autobuilder17:13
lcukand add an extra .spec file?17:13
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lcukin BuildRequires should I also specify gcc and stuff?17:24
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arfollanyone got any ideas why this is failing?
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arfollit works on my local machine but I don't understand the error it's giving me on OBS17:31
Stskeepsmake yourself happier and make -j117:31
Stskeepsif it doesn't happen there, you've messed up dependancies somewhere17:31
Stskeepsie, a race condition17:31
arfolluhm i'll check its not a race17:32
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arfollwow nice instincts Stskeeps17:32
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arfollquestion is do I fix the makefile.... or do I just make -j1 in the spec....17:33
Stskeepsfix the makefile ideally17:33
Stskeepsless build power used17:33
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Stskeepsit's usually something about demos not waiting for src etc17:34
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arfolli'll have a look at it when i can, luckly its a tiny pkg.17:35
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arfollcheers for the help though, it had me confused like hell last night17:36
Bostikarfoll: looks like your installation path (DESTDIR?) is empty, and since it resolves to "", rpmbuild ends up trying to copy files directly into the build worker root17:39
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arfollBostik, yeah thats the new problem, because I went too fast and didn't use the make install macro ;-)17:42
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Bostikthat happens :)17:43
arfollit's been a busy day...17:44
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lcukomg obs actually got as far as compiling stuff18:14
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timophlcuk: \o/18:14
* timoph hasn't succeeded in building anything for harmattan target yet18:15
lcuktimoph, from maemo packages it should be simpler18:15
timophmaybe that's a hint that I should stick with rpms :)18:15
lcuksometimes as simple as moving the .desktop file18:15
lcukfrom /usr/share/applications/hildon to /usr/share/applications18:15
* lcuk considers this a postinst step perhaps or just duplicate the entries hmm18:16
timophyep. I've done that for some package I pulled from maemo and rpm packaged them18:16
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lcuktimoph, it seems my package has extra file which can be removed18:19
lcukbut not sure how to do it18:19
lcukfrom spec18:19
timophdirty way would be to rm it in the %install section18:20
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timophor you can do a patch18:21
Stskeepsor %exclude18:22
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* timoph learned something new18:22
timophStskeeps: %exclude goes into %files section?18:23
Stskeepsright, afaik18:23
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lcuki just removed the files from the .tar..gz and makefile18:30
lcukthey only really made sense directly in the n8x0 maemo build18:30
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lcukwhat is ldconfig18:34
timoph/sbin/ldconfig - configure dynamic linker run time bindings18:35
timophldconfig(8) man page :)18:35
lcukyes timoph, however I have never used it for liqbase18:37
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lcukit is the thing that creates symlink between and I gather?18:38
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gabrbeddlcuk: No... it's like a pre-compiled index of .so files.18:40
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gabrbeddlcuk: After you add .so files in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib, the dynamic linker won't find them until you've run ldconfig to update the index.18:40
gabrbeddlcuk: However, if you use LD_LIBRARY_PATH, it searches that before going to the index.18:41
lcukso what creates the symlink between and
gabrbeddlcuk: you mean... like and ??18:41
gabrbedd(for example)18:42
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lcukin my manual instructions I do an "ln -s..."18:42
gabrbeddIIRC, each application is responsible for doing it.18:42
lcuk<the-boss> Got event BUILD_SUCCESS from home:lcuk18:42
lcuk<the-boss> Looking to handle BUILD_SUCCESS in home:lcuk18:42
gabrbeddSome applications use libtool, and it possibly auto-does-that.18:42
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gabrbeddlcuk: Only you can set the SOVERSION, because that affects the ABI of your library.18:43
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lcukgabrbedd, thanks, I have just added a manual step in the post for now18:44
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lcukwell libliqbase and libliqbase-devel can install, nice.19:07
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lcuktimoph, that be the first part of lightsabre school done \o19:09
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gabrbeddlcuk: Now that I think of it... usually gets shipped in the devel package, and gets shipped in the user binary.19:26
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lcukgabrbedd, cool, I will see how it works for now, obs appears to have accepted it through19:28
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lcukit was easier than expected to make it build in obs19:29
javispedroldconfig also does links19:29 ->
lcukjust grab the .tar.gz I would normally upload to maemo, quick bit of tinkering and managed a build19:29
lcukthanks javispedro19:29
javispedroit does not do -> though19:30
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javispedromostly because that last link is the one that decides which library you link with when doing -lfoo, so user (or package manager) chooses where that link should point to.19:30
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lcukoh balls19:34
lcukliqbook does not link correctly, guessing it is related to the libliqbase dependency19:34
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lcuk(but it happily found the /includes19:35
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arfolli apoligise in advance but and
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arfollit complains it can't get the doc files when i put them in the yaml, but when i dont it says it cant find them19:47
* arfoll is so confused today19:48
Stskeepsew meego 1.019:48
arfolllol its just for the example, fails the same everywhere19:48
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Stskeepswas it the race condition btw?19:49
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arfollStskeeps, yeah i do a make -j1 now and it fixed the compilation issues19:50
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Stskeepscan you remove the documentation mentions?19:50
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Stskeepsi want to see the old error19:50
arfollStskeeps, the older error is in the pastebin19:51
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Stskeeps.. %doc ?19:54
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arfollStskeeps, i had %doc before, i also was using docdir instead, but didnt change anything19:54
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Stskeepsi don't immediately see it19:55
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Stskeepsmaybe a utf-8 character sneaking in or something?19:55
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Stskeepsor -doc has to be in -doc package19:56
arfollStskeeps, looks all ascii19:56
Stskeepsok, no clue then19:56
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arfollstupid package19:56
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Stskeepsarfoll: did you get PA working?20:02
Stskeepsor through alsa20:03
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arfollStskeeps, alsa, havent tried using that patch yet20:03
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arfolldamnit i missed the shop closing time. no food for brendan again....20:06
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* SpeedEvil looks at his cupboards full of food just in case.20:11
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berndhslots of frogs and rabbits here, too stupid to run away. Need frog recipes.20:21
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* rcg1 as an old frogger player breaks out in tears: leave the frogs alive...20:31
lcukqgil, congrats on getting far enough to need to file bugs!20:32
lcukhopefully shall be cured or worked around reasonably quickly20:32
qgillcuk: thanks  :)  well, I worked around it converting svg to png - works for a single device but not optimal if now we want to have e.g. Miniature in a tablet20:33
qgillcuk: but well, good enough for a first release targeting handset20:33
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lcuknice qgil, do you hope to also include it on the ovi store once it works well?20:35
lcukso that n8etc users could also benefit and play20:35
qgillcuk: of course20:35
qgilah well, a Symbian port is another thing20:35
qgilWe are staying within Qt but we haven't tried to deploy to a Symbian device yet20:36
lcukreasonable enough20:37
lcukI have seen many projects recently coming from symbian and being tweaked to run happily on n95020:37
lcukmja's game works better on the n9 than on his n820:37
qgilwe'll see20:38
w00t_qgil: ah, you're here, was about to ask if you had a copy of one of the svgs - since they're not on gitorious20:38
qgilw00t_: I sent you the URL, just go to e.g. a click on "Raw blob data"20:39
w00t_ah, thanks.. multitasking a bit atm due to a small rl crisis so i might have missed it20:39
qgilw00t_: this is why I added the URL also at  ;)20:41
* lcuk slides w00t_ a coffee20:42
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* w00t_ loves that we all have mobile phones - but firmly wishes people would answer them in times of need :P20:43
* javispedro eventually switched from QtSvg to rsvg as SVG renderer on his icon webapp...20:43
javispedroI was surprised with the sad state of svg rasterizers everywhere.20:43
javispedrothe Qt one is not bad but was also heavily incomplete20:44
w00t_javispedro: the svg standard is absolutely huge though, so it's not really unsurprising20:44
qgiljavispedro: those svg files I'm using render perfectly well when just calling the Image file - the problem is in GridView, ListModel or both20:44
w00t_and yeah, there's nothing wrong with that svg20:45
javispedroah, so then it's probably an easy bug :)20:45
w00t_i might look around a bit more, but i'm digging into new territory as i've not looked at declarative's code a great deal20:45
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gandhijee_hey, i found out how to make the HDMI output work on the exoPC for those people that are reporting errors20:47
gandhijee_is there a place i can post the follow up information?20:47
qgilw00t_: no worries, I hope someone paid to make GridView work will look at it  ;)20:48
blauzahlgandhijee_: i don't know, but do tell us when you do :)20:51
gandhijee_blauzahl: if you know where i can post it please let me know!  ive seen a couple people with the problem, but no ones posted the soluton yet20:52
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antman8969qgil, you've been developing more lately.20:58
antman8969are you tasked with helping release content for harmattan?20:58
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npmqgil: would love to see a few symbian media apps on n950 : and this one needs porting to symbian/n9/n950:
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npmHBO Go works nice in the MeeGo 1.2 tablet (exopc) now that i've installed flash 11 and upgraded to much later
npmalthough i find it annoying that each provider needs to use their own GUI and player, instead of putting it on some kind of secured media feed21:13
lcuknpm where did the later flash build come from?21:13
npmit requires moving some stuff around from the distributed 32 bit deb21:14
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npmbut that's all in a days work :-)...21:15
lcukdare I ask after hearing about apps: can it be put onto obs with a patch?21:15
npmhell no, that would be crazy21:15
qgilantman8969: you mean that I have *started* developing lately  ;)21:15
npmwhat would make sense would be to have a script that downloads it from adobe and runs the transformations on each persons workstation21:15
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qgilantman8969: I'm doing this as personal training, to learn about Qt Quick - and for fun21:16
lcuk++ for fun21:16
qgilantman8969: helping to get a chess mobile app based on Qt for MeeGo & etc is the main incentive21:17
lcukqgil, I often still ponder voice driven chess21:17
lcukfor in car mental challenges!21:17
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npmqgil: it would be terrible just having the n950 just sitting there (nature abhors an empty repository)21:17
qgilqgil: I'm definitely not having my device sitting there, but at some point reporting user bugs was less fun (since things are getting pretty good) and this is why I decided to open finally the hood,..21:18
* qgil seems to be in a dialog with himself ;)21:18
berndhslcuk: yeah another thing to distract driver attention21:19
lcukberndhs, was tongue in cheek, but the idea of voice control did come up at the dublin conf21:19
lcukwas in part related to mikhas over the shoulder of person playing chess giving hints21:20
npmqgil: yeah, bug reporting is very un-fun... excellent that you are out there with the dev-troops :-)...  very tasty dogfood here i must confess....21:20
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berndhsthere used to be a voice interface for bank PIDs, i wonder who's idea that was21:21
berndhs"please say your password louder"21:21
qgil(I actually find bug reporting fun - even more if as an incentive you get a device when the OS is far from ready and just a few real users are hitting its edges)21:21
berndhsPersonal Identification number21:21
npmqgil: my converted qtzibit demo app Bugzibit might make bug tracking more interesting:
npm --> searching for "harmattan" on BMC21:24
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npmbut i don't know about fun :-)21:24
lcuknpm, that looks reasonable21:24
lcukeven more so because I am assigned to bug 1308421:24
MeeGoBotBug maj, Medium, ---, liquid, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink21:24
qgilnpm: well done, but I think I'm done with bug festivals for now - as it took me a year to recover from the Fremantle bug festival  ;)21:25
lcukhopefully my extra practice I am trying to do around obs will help21:25
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npmwell that's only one of 20 or so apps ... bugzibit will be in next version of
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lcukwhich part of the system does the linker convert a library "-l[library]"   into actual .so21:40
lcukis it the ldconfig thing from earlier?21:40
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Stskeepschouchoune: i also needed to test how meeting bot works with foreign languages anyway ;)22:09
chouchouneyou see then ;)22:10
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gandhijee_hey, i am using a USB wifi adapter because the PCIe one doesn't work in meego.  how do i get my USB wifi dongle to automatically connect at start up22:40
gandhijee_so i don't have to turn on the wifi throught the panel22:40
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aukegandhijee_: you have to at least once use the UI to connect to an access point22:43
aukegandhijee_: after that it will do it automatically22:43
gandhijee_auke: thats the issue, when i reboot it won22:43
gandhijee_t automaically reconnect to the AP22:43
gandhijee_i have to go through the UI and turn WiFI back on22:43
gandhijee_then it will connect22:44
aukeyour hardware might turn off the device at boot22:44
gandhijee_auke: nope i have another meego netbook with the exact same setup22:44
aukedoes the alt-fn keycombo work to turn it on?22:44
gandhijee_and it starts up fine at boot22:44
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gandhijee_no, its a USB dongle - external to the machien22:44
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aukewell, it works for me, usb dongle too22:45
aukeautomatically reconnects just fine22:45
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aukeshrug, sorry22:45
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lcukawesome seeing #meego-meeting in French tonight23:03
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JaffaEv'ning, all23:07
lcukhi Jaffa, sunbaked?23:08
Jaffalcuk: Not too bad :)23:08
lcukgood good23:08
Jaffalcuk: Was damned hot in a Parisian park yesterday23:08
lcukit has been warm and humid over here too23:09
JaffaSo I hear. Thundery downpours for the last leg of our journey up the M1 or M40 tomorrow23:09
lcukJaffa, if you want extra French, the #meego-meeting is discussing French related topics23:09
JaffaOh, bon23:10
JaffaJ'adore parles en francais, mais je ne suis pas tres bien23:10
GAN900Jaffa, good trip?23:12
chouchouneStskeeps: problem with charset ;)23:13
chouchouneStskeeps: oh no, it's OK for the HTML version23:13
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chouchounebut not the .txt version23:14
JaffaGAN900: Aye, looking forward to getting back to a real computer23:14
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lcukJaffa, n950?23:14
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Jaffalcuk: 'sok, but no Twitter client and not got my favourite bookmarks. Terminal's a bit limited too (e.g. lack of c&p)23:15
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* Jaffa needs to send a few emails tomorrow, following up things from before holiday (and looking over lbt's email and wiki pages in more detail)23:18
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arfollStskeeps, found the error, the makefil is writing the doc to /home! crazy rubbish23:36
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Stskeepsarfoll: scary23:41
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