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lcukberndhs, which theme are you tinkering with?00:23
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berndhsmeego-ux-theme00:24
berndhsi'm going to replace all 2004 images :p00:25
lcukberndhs, in a single art/design sitting?00:25
berndhswell, i don't knwo what I will do in the afternoon that day00:26
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berndhsthe tar.bz2 is 33 MB, that's why it takes a while at 75 Kb/s00:27
lcukberndhs, quite substantial package00:31
lcukis it mostly processed duplications within00:32
lcukor don't you such know yet00:32
lcukie can many of the images be scripted00:32
lcukby merging componnts etc00:32
berndhsthe stupid thing about it, I don't really mind the look of the UX, I just mind the transitions00:32
berndhs1 second or so to go from normal view of a panel to settings view00:33
berndhsand that's all over the place in all these UXs00:33
berndhsnot just meego, all the mobile stuff, and Gnome-3 and so on00:34
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alienwoahthis channel sucks ass01:02
alienwoahnbdjs01:02
KaIRCsure it does01:04
Umeaboyalienwoah: Whatcha doin' here then?01:05
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metRo_Anyone can help me with a harmattan aplication problem? When i create a QML component and add it to the MainPage.qml i got a blackscreen04:28
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dm8tbrcaffeine++07:33
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vgrade_http://trimslice.com/web/dev-kit trimslice Dev program.08:12
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arfollbmc pub api is back up! well since 1am...09:55
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RST38h...and some moo here too.11:04
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jbos_ping Stskeeps11:18
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Stskeepspong11:19
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jbos_managed to get the richt people fixing qtcomponents packageing11:20
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jbos_https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Amdfe%3Aqt-components11:20
Stskeepscool11:20
Stskeepsreviewing11:20
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Stskeepsjbos_: i'll integrate them, thanks for that11:22
jbos_y' are welcome11:22
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RST38hAnyone knows of a way to get direct access to the screen in Qt?12:20
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Stskeepslike, framebuffer?12:20
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RST38hStskeeps: Would prefer something a bit smarter12:21
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RST38hStskeeps: Like, QWidgets back buffer or somethign12:21
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SummeliRST38h: using the paintEvent in QWidget is pretty fast12:25
SummeliI should benchmark with my N950 too12:25
* RST38h sigbh12:25
RST38hsighs12:26
Summelifor Symbian and N8 the blit was about 6ms for a snes-frame12:26
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Summelinot good enough? :)12:27
RST38hfor 60fps video the entire frame is 16.7ms, you just wasted 30% of it.12:27
RST38hThat is for 640x360 screen. Now, consider 850x480 screen.12:28
Summeliwell, we should have faster processor and (hopefully) better graphics architecture12:28
RST38hNo, not really.12:28
RST38hI should have a direct pointer to the video buffer.12:29
SummeliI try to benchmark it with N950 too12:29
Summeliof course that would be faster12:29
RST38hThere is absolutley no reason to waste time in Qt in this case.12:29
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RST38hUnless, of course, Qt really accelerates the process by doing it with GLES textures or something12:30
RST38hWhich it does not seem to12:30
SummeliRST38h: it should go through GLES..12:30
Summeliyou can try with QApplication::setGraphicsSystem("opengl");12:31
Summelibut it should be "opengl" by default I think12:31
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RST38hSummeli: Once I set widget to  direct draw, it becomes a normal SHMIT-based XWindow12:34
RST38hSummeli: If I do not set it to direct draw, the widget stays black until I minimize the window, but shows the last rendered image in the minimized preview12:34
Summeliok12:34
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RST38hSo, *maybe* it is using GLES, but notupdating properly12:35
Summeliare you calling the repaint()12:35
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RST38hYes.12:36
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Summeliok, then it should work ;-)12:36
RST38hAnd I tried calling the update() as well same shit12:36
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RST38h"Should" and "will" are two different verbs12:39
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lcukRST38h, using something like android can you get low level pixels?  or wp?13:30
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RST38hlcuk: in Gingerbread+ I can13:58
RST38hlcuk: Why ask?13:58
lcukRST38h, just wondering13:58
* lcuk pondering similar stuff13:58
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lcukStskeeps, did I read in #meego-arm that n950 images were coming up (scrollback is not working)14:02
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drf__lbt, X-Fade: ping, I'd like to have an account for meego's community obs15:01
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lbtmeego.com acct? OSS ?15:03
drf__lbt: account, drf. OSS: I'm working on KDE projects and building new plugins for media-explorer15:06
chouchounehello15:06
lbtdrf__: done ... have fun :)15:07
drf__lbt: thank you very much :)15:07
lcuksomeone has made a maemo 5 harmattan calculator clone in qml http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1054939#post105493915:07
lcukcalled meecalc15:07
chouchouneI have a question related to #meego-xxx IRC channels : who should / how to register them in order to be compliant with the Meego IRC best practices/guidelines ?15:07
* drf__ logged in successfully \\o/15:07
chouchoune(that would be for local groups (#meego-fr for France))15:08
lcukchouchoune, http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines15:08
Stskeepschouchoune: i'll rejoin again, sorry about dropping the ball15:08
chouchouneI've read that15:09
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Stskeepsand get something done about it this time around :)15:09
* lbt wonders if it should be region or language... just thinking out loud15:09
SpeedEvilchouchoune: #meego-xxx? Is there now a porn UX?15:09
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chouchounebut I might have missed the right explanation ;)15:09
lcuk:D15:09
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chouchouneSpeedEvil: that would be great ;)15:09
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lcukahh phoey the meecalc is python+qt15:14
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lcuk"http://twitter.com/billyist15:16
lcuk I don't know much about MeeGo, but they've got to be the cheeriest bunch of open source developers I've ever encountered. I want to like it."15:16
RST38hlcuk: Lemme guess, he has met you? =)15:17
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lcukRST38h, lol idk15:17
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vvaltonethat might be simply because there's no heavy handed moderation here :P15:18
lbtlcuk: I can think of a few people he *didn't* meet ;)15:18
berndhsmoring15:18
berndhsmorning even15:19
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jpwhitinglbt: could I get access to the community obs?15:32
* jpwhiting looks for his meego.com account name...15:32
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drf__is there a reason why I cannot branch packages? I'm trying to branch telepathy-glib from pretty much anywhere (Meego:Trunk, :1.2, etc) but it always fails15:34
Stskeepsdrf__: MeeGo.com:Trunk15:34
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drf__Stskeeps: Unable to find package 'telepathy-glib' in project 'MeeGo.com'.15:35
drf__MeeGo.com:Trunk doesn't appear in the list15:35
lbtminor bug in OBS UI ...you need to type it15:36
ruskiehttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/01/nokia_n9_out_this_september/ <-- hmm15:37
drf__awesome, now it worked, thanks!15:37
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ruskie"the open phone"15:37
lbtjpwhiting: ping when you know ... confirm you're doing OSS15:37
jpwhitinglbt: my username is jpwhiting, go figure15:38
jpwhitingyep, I'd like to access obs, I'm working with drf__15:38
lbtdone15:38
jpwhitingawesome, thanks15:38
lbtsure ... I still get the occasional "want to do company work" .... hence the OSS check15:39
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jpwhitingah, is company oss work ok? :p15:42
* jpwhiting and dario work for collabora15:42
jpwhitingI understand the check though, thanks for the help15:43
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lbtjpwhiting: yes, company OSS work is OK (kinda)15:47
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jpwhitinglbt: the code is on public git, so should be good I believe15:48
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vvaltoneTelepathy is it?-)15:49
vvaltoneCollabora certainly seems active in it15:49
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jpwhitingvvaltone: yep, telepathy plugin for media-explorer15:50
jpwhitingdoes audio/video calls within mex15:51
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vvaltoneyeah, I should try that again, now that I have an actual tv and a extra sff computer15:55
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mcfriskWhat's the best documentation link for vendors about the issues with binary blobs and Linux kernel?16:01
jpwhitingvvaltone: it's not quite as mature as boxee etc, but it's getting there16:01
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Stskeeps~haveameegomeeting16:02
infobothaveameegomeeting is, like, book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html16:02
Stskeeps^ chouchoune16:02
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Stskeepsmcfrisk: binary kernel module or binary blobs like firmware within source code driver?16:03
mcfriskboth16:03
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chouchounethanks Stskeeps, so anyone has the right to #startmeeting ... without asking before ...16:05
chouchounewe already registered our schedule16:05
Stskeepshttp://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/technical-advisory-board-tab/lfstatement maybe16:05
Stskeepschouchoune: yes16:05
chouchounethanks16:05
chouchounesorry for asking too much questions ;)16:05
RST38hIncredible, isn't it?16:06
Stskeepsmcfrisk: and then there's the whole open implementation for userland must exist for kernel driver inclusion debacle..16:06
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Stskeepswhich i'm not entirely agreeing with (personally)16:07
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vvaltoneStskeeps, well, I rather do understand them, as it means the kernel people might have to maintain it16:08
Stskeepsmm16:09
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RST38hStskeeps: Nicolai was kind enough to point to the *working* (supposedly) version of QtComponents!16:10
vvaltonebut on the other hand, for example AMD Radeon cards have firmware blobs16:10
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RST38hOr, actually, exampels changed in a way that they should work on N95016:10
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mcfriskStskeeps: the Linux Foundation was not technical in nature16:23
Stskeepsok16:23
Stskeepswell, a bit of googling should find you some :P16:23
mcfriskdid not, that's why I'm askin here too :)16:24
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Stskeepshmm16:24
djszapiHi! Do you have any idea how to use mic-chroot ? http://paste.kde.org/104473/16:24
mcfriskwikipedia was on hit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob16:24
Stskeepsclosed source kernel module might be a better one16:25
gabrbeddmcfrisk: Could you not find anything in the kernel tarball under Documentation/ ?16:25
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mcfrisknot so far16:26
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gabrbeddPerhaps you could ask on a kernel ML.16:28
gabrbedd...and be prepared for a flame or two. ;-)16:28
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* lbt tries to clarify ... if a vendor is working on a board that has some HW (over and above that needed for MeeGo) that only has blobs available. How is that blob handled by the vendor16:28
lbtis that the situation?16:28
mcfriskNot only that, someone tries support their new HW with binary .ko driver, which is given to the MeeGo integrators who try to create a product using that HW and MeeGo16:31
mcfriskI should reply with a FAQ and instructions how to get rid of the binary .ko, split it to binary blob and GPL wrapers etc16:31
Stskeepsthere's no technical problem but closed kernel drivers are just annoying :P look at poor n810, stuck at 2.6.21 because of it16:32
mcfrisk:)16:32
mcfriskThey never go away, do they16:32
Stskeepsand then there's the legal aspect of GPL symbols etc..16:33
mcfriskyes, I don't want to explain those things, a FAQ link would do it16:33
gabrbeddlbt: mcfrisk: so the question is... how do we get them into a meego implementation?16:34
lbtI think the first step here is some guidelines... frame the problem and identify issues16:34
lbtthen we can offer approaches16:34
lbtand eventually a reccomendation16:35
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mcfriskthis is not meego specific, more like Linux kernel and GPL issue, which has been discussed to the end, but I can't find a good summary to show16:35
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lbtso "Is there a FAQ on splitting a vendor provided kernel module in .ko format into a blob and GPL headers"16:37
gabrbeddmcfrisk: I don't know of one... but the folks on the kernel ML list probably do.16:37
gabrbeddmcfrisk: ...and I'll bet that the answer is that the code is the documentation.16:37
gabrbeddmcfrisk: the main-line kernel has a few things with binary blobs (or at least support for it with `firmwareloader`)16:38
gabrbeddmcfrisk: check especially in the staging drivers.16:38
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mcfriskcouldn't find a good explanation of staging either, sigh16:38
gabrbeddmcfrisk: It's everything under drivers/staging/*16:39
gabrbeddmcfrisk: If you configure a kernel... go to the `drivers` section and enable the staging drivers.  There will be documentation there about what it's about.16:40
mcfrisknope, menuconfig STAGING is not clear enough16:42
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gabrbeddmcfrisk: sorry, bro... I don't have time to walk you through it.16:43
gabrbeddmcfrisk: one of the NOK devs here *might* have your answer... but the linux ML /will/ have your answer.16:44
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mcfriskok, will go to lkml, thanks16:47
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CosmoHillhey dazo17:01
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* CosmoHill got a job interview :)17:15
Stskeepscongrats17:15
SpeedEvilCongrats!17:15
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djszapiHi! Do you have any idea how to use mic-chroot ? http://paste.kde.org/104473/17:18
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djszapiStskeeps ping :)17:47
djszapiDo you have any idea what I am doing wrong about the downloaded bz2 meego-dev image and mic-chroot ?17:48
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lcukis there a meego calculator which works on the n900-ce?18:05
lcukin anybodies repositories etc18:05
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lcukon maemo side I found that somebody created a pyqt version of the harmattan calculator18:06
lcukhttp://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/meecalc/1.2-1/18:06
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lcukwhich looks pretty but is not written in pyside18:06
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gandhijee_hey guys, is there away to get the HDMI out to work on the exoPC's with out the tiito code/18:32
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Stskeepswithout? probably not easily18:34
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gandhijee_i see18:35
gandhijee_so if i upgrade to meego 1.2 will the tiito stuff still work?18:36
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Ulf^Hi18:47
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Stskeepsmorning Ulf^18:50
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Ulf^His Stskeeps!19:09
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Ulf^Hi, even19:09
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albancEmails auto-generated by build.meego.com don't have a date19:16
julienfhey guys19:16
julienfdo you have an idea on how I could get any version of XCode so that I can install the MeeGo SDK?19:16
andre__albanc, file a bug report? :)19:16
andre__julienf,  what is XCode?19:17
julienfandre__:  it's the dev suite for OSX, and unfortunately what is required to do development on OSX...19:17
julienffor MeeGo..19:17
andre__so you're looking for http://developer.apple.com/xcode/ or what?19:17
julienfandre__: yes, except that I do not want to become an Apple developer19:18
Stskeepswe need that for meego sdk?19:18
Stskeeps(url?)19:19
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julienfStskeeps: yes, because it has the compiler..19:19
andre__is that requirement documented somewhere (wiki URL or so)?19:19
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julienfStskeeps: that's for the Nokia SDK: https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html19:19
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julienfAs I want to start doing some stuff on the N95019:20
Stskeepsjulienf: ah..19:20
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andre__then it's not for MeeGo, but for harmattan ;-)19:20
Stskeepsjulienf: that's for local compilation, for the simular19:20
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julienfStskeeps: yes, but the Nokia SDK does not allow me to install without xcode installed.19:20
Stskeepsfun19:20
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andre__might be worth a bug report in http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/ . Or not.19:21
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Stskeepsandre__: i think it's from the rationale that qt itself is built with xcode and you're factually targetting macos x in simular19:23
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julienfandre__:  yes, Stskeeps is right. The problem, as I already indicated on a blog post, is that in the end, a dev has to pay Apple to do Nokia stuff..19:23
ali1234wrong19:24
albancandre__, thanks for the suggestion :) I filed a bug on BMC#2217019:24
ali1234x code is free19:24
andre__ah19:24
ali1234*xcode19:24
ali1234you only have to sign up for the mac store19:24
ali1234and then it's a free download for xcode 319:24
andre__julienf: why pay? register and download it without paying.19:24
andre__ah, so it's not v4?19:24
ali1234no19:24
andre__damn, asthe website implies...19:24
ali1234v4 is $4.9919:24
tomeuwell, can you legally run it without paying apple something?19:25
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ali1234no19:25
ali1234you can't legally run it without owning a mac19:25
ali1234if you don't like that, why did you buy a mac in the first place?19:25
julienfI can't download v4.1 (only one available in mac store) because I do not have Lion.19:25
julienfali1234: there is a difference between enjoying a hardware/OS, and wanting to develop for an other OS/platform19:26
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julienfali1234: and that's not the kind of things you know until you try19:26
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ali1234you should also have some version of xocde on the installation discs that come with every mac19:28
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julienfali1234: yes, certainly, but am at an airport, way away from my installation discs :D19:29
Stskeepsali1234: comes with compiler? wow19:30
ali1234so you're going to download 4GB xocde on airport wireless?19:30
ali1234good luck with that19:30
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lcukso ali1234 what sdk would you get that is less than 4gb?19:31
ali1234i wouldn't use a mac in the first place19:31
lcuk(real question, which dev environment has lowest download barrier19:31
SpeedEvilshell19:32
ali1234build-essential on ubuntu is about 300mb i think19:32
julienfali1234: you're right, with a 3MB connection it might take a bit of time. Thanks for your help. I guess I'll just go and get a PC at the tax free19:32
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ali1234btw xcode 3.2.6 download is still available for free, it's linked on the wikipedia page19:33
ali1234you only need a apple id login to get it19:33
lcukjulienf, what will you do with the pc?19:33
ali1234http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/download.action?path=/Developer_Tools/xcode_3.2.6_and_ios_sdk_4.3__final/xcode_3.2.6_and_ios_sdk_4.3.dmg19:33
lcukif you are airport, just open general notepad editor and write yourself some pseudocode19:34
julienflcuk: I'll install linux, as it seems to be the answer to all my problems :D19:34
julienfali1234: now that is something constructive! Thank you.19:34
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lcukjulienf, and what is your problem?19:34
* lcuk writes in airports19:34
julienflcuk: that I could not find a link to a free version of xcode to be able to start developing on my macbook19:35
ali1234you should install linux anyway19:35
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julienfali1234: why?19:35
ali1234probably would be a smaller download19:35
ali1234and it's better than that mac rubbish19:36
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julienfali1234: I value your personal opinion. I am quite satisfied with OSX in general and for what use.19:37
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ali1234heh :)19:37
julienfali1234: I've installed my first linux distro when I was 14 and that was back in 94. So I've done my fair share of experimentation.19:38
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gandhijee_so i have an exoPC that i am playing with, and i have kerenl 2.6.38 on there... is there away for me to enable the HDMI output?19:39
gandhijee_i try to run the 42 software19:39
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gandhijee_but it just fails with a msg that something is already registered19:40
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julienfbut thanks ali1234 for your help. I'll continue the download at home tonight.19:40
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qgillbt: have you got your N950?20:20
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CosmoHillRobot101: ping20:39
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Robot101CosmoHill: pong20:39
CosmoHillcan I pm you?20:39
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Robot101sure20:41
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lbtqgil: yes - thanks20:51
qgillbt: then move yourself away from http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#FIXME_Unclear_cases_.26_lazy_wiki_editors to the right section - thanks20:51
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berndhsAppUp meet in Canda, so convenient21:09
berndhsof course California is closer, but hey21:09
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lcukn900sitting in the garden meego activity: log of garden plants and tasks21:59
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idreamerhi at all.. i don't know very well english and have a problem with reflash maemo on n900... same one can help me please?23:05
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idreamerthere's some one?23:09
SpeedEvil~flashing23:10
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware23:10
SpeedEvilAsleep now.23:11
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DocScrutinizeridreamer: /join #maemo23:15
idreamerno23:16
idreamernot work23:16
DocScrutinizeridreamer: though the answer will be same there ;-)23:16
idreamerok bye23:16
DocScrutinizeridreamer: you can not join #maemo channel?23:16
idreamerno no all right23:17
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lcuktimoph, you like the ideaof garden management/planning app23:40
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SpeedEvillcuk: better-than-GPS positioning would be great for that.23:50
SpeedEvil+-5cm ideally23:50
lcukSpeedEvil, sure, to know where you are stood you are expecting what plant23:51
lcukreal use for vr and the funky generated 3d plant graphics23:51
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SpeedEvilOf course what you really want is for lardman to tweak mbarcode to read DNA.23:51
lcukerr ar23:51
lcukI take photographs of flower arrangements23:52
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lcukand think barcodeish recognition would work on them23:52
SpeedEvilIndeed.23:52
lcukbut that is a completely different topic23:52
SpeedEvilI take photos of flowers I have no clue what they are :/23:52
lcukyeah23:52
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lcukflowers bring interesting thing23:52
SpeedEvilhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/23:52
lcukthat mbarcode can only handle one code per photo23:52
lardmanhello?23:53
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lcuksometimes, like facial recognition, there are lots of smiling faces/barcodes \o23:53
lcukhi simon23:53
SpeedEvilSorry for pinging you uselessly.23:53
lardmanhi lcuk SpeedEvil23:53
lardmannp :)23:53
lcuklol SpeedEvil23:53
lcuki just drew a daisy23:53
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20110731_011052.flower.scr.png23:53
SpeedEvilDElphinium rose, poppy, and I'm almost out.23:54
lcukwas one of the first things using polyfill routine23:54
lardmanwell PhotoAnalyser works nicely, so if you fancy writing a plugin to read DNA data graphically, that would work nicely :)23:54
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SpeedEvilWell - yes - and the daisy of course.23:54
lcuksomeone down the road is growing sunflowers23:54
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