IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2011-07-31

arfoll	in the scheduler log http://pastebin.com/SutFddw8	00:00
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aavamobile	Hello, anyone interested in getting aavamobile.info domain?	00:05
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lbt	arfoll: no, actually I'm seeing the same problem	00:06
sofar	aavamobile: why are you asking?	00:06
arfoll	lbt, that makes me feel a bit better	00:06
* ShadowJK is guessing aavamobile owns aavamobile.info		00:07
arfoll	its weird though because osc -A local ls meego.com:MeeGo:1.2:oss works	00:07
lbt	curl https://api.meego.com/public	00:07
aavamobile	I'm asking because I own aavamobile.info, Aava Mobile company does not own it, and I emailed them if they are interested, no answer yet.	00:08
sofar	spam is prohibited in this channel	00:08
berndhs	i thought the aava thingy was discontinued	00:08
aavamobile	you mean Aava Company is past now?	00:08
aavamobile	no more aava stuff?	00:09
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berndhs	dunno, just have a vague memory of reading something along those lines	00:09
berndhs	ask them	00:09
sofar	the aava platform is pretty much dead, yes	00:09
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* arfoll wonders wether it was ever alive....		00:10
aavamobile	is there any real open device out there?	00:10
aavamobile	except gta02 or upcoming gta04? (openmoko platform)	00:10
SpeedEvil	aavamobile: not realy.	00:10
SpeedEvil	The openest thing sort-of-out tehre is the n900.	00:10
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SpeedEvil	But that's only available new from places that have remaindered stock.	00:10
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SpeedEvil	And there are no more warranty mainboars - people with warranty repairs are getting offered n8s	00:11
aavamobile	I have n900 but thinking about move to android	00:11
lbt	arfoll: suspect not	00:11
aavamobile	because there isn't much development anymore, N900 is getting old, operating system too, and MeeGo seems dead from Nokia side	00:11
aavamobile	and rumors about LG releasing meego device etc. are dead also	00:12
aavamobile	seems that all of us will have to move to android in few months :/	00:12
SpeedEvil	Android has - generally - the fundamental problem that in most cases the bootloaders are locked.	00:12
aavamobile	yes but I'm fan of Nexus line of android phones	00:12
lbt	arfoll: is osc working for you?	00:12
lcuk	the aava running meego-ce would do very well from what I could gather	00:13
arfoll	lbt, yeah osc with the link works fine	00:13
lcuk	if the graphics tearing that I recall it had	00:13
lcuk	is resolvable	00:13
aavamobile	3rd Nexus from google, should be released on Q4 2011, rumors say name: Nexus Prime, should be big screen device (around 4,5"), high resolution, no front buttons	00:13
lbt	https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22134	00:14
MeeGoBot	Bug 22134 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Main meego obs down	00:14
lcuk	i met a representative of aava at dublin	00:14
aavamobile	really?	00:14
aavamobile	when?	00:14
lcuk	we stood in the rain outside smoking and compared and enthused about graphical attributes	00:14
aavamobile	so they still exist?	00:14
aavamobile	or not anymore?	00:14
aavamobile	do they do any job for Intel?	00:14
lcuk	myself and damian (cloudgps guy) were really pumping high speed perforamnce graphics for meego specifically	00:14
lcuk	i do not know, it would certainly be interesting to get some of those devices into the ddp	00:15
lcuk	i would certainly be interested	00:15
arfoll	lbt, cheers for verifying that. i hope we get a response at least this time	00:15
lcuk	at least now also similar form factor n950 exists	00:15
aavamobile	I have emailed them even like 1 months ago, no answer so far	00:15
lcuk	if the aava can happily run meego from the repositories then it is 1up on the n950 right now	00:15
aavamobile	anyone here owns n950?	00:16
lcuk	i have one and many others here do	00:16
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aavamobile	many others?	00:16
aavamobile	ah	00:16
TSCHAKeee	we don't exactly own them	00:16
TSCHAKeee	they are loaners from Nokia.	00:16
aavamobile	I see	00:17
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aavamobile	is it cool dveice?	00:17
TSCHAKeee	if you don't already have one, you can't get one.	00:17
aavamobile	device*	00:17
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TSCHAKeee	it's the best device, hardware and software, that Nokia has produced to date.	00:17
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SpeedEvil	:/	00:17
TSCHAKeee	but you'll need to wait for the Nokia N9 in September.	00:17
aavamobile	because Nokia said that no matter if MeeGo will have success or not, they end with it	00:17
TSCHAKeee	with the N9	00:18
aavamobile	yes	00:18
TSCHAKeee	and they have said that they have no plans for further MeeGo devices	00:18
TSCHAKeee	that does not mean the same thing as "ending it"	00:18
SpeedEvil	I'd much rather buy a n950 than a n9	00:18
aavamobile	me too	00:18
TSCHAKeee	MeeGo goes on as a small division in Nokia.	00:18
aavamobile	I saw videos with N950 and seems nice	00:18
aavamobile	hm	00:18
TSCHAKeee	I really wish people would get their fucking facts straight	00:18
SpeedEvil	Meego goes on as a small division - yes - but practically this means little.	00:19
aavamobile	but no more MeeGo devices = end	00:19
SpeedEvil	Though it's good that they're contributing.	00:19
TSCHAKeee	sigh.	00:19
TSCHAKeee	I'm going to walk out of here before I start cursing.	00:19
aavamobile	lol	00:19
SpeedEvil	And in principle more devices may happen if Elop sets his trousers on fire.	00:19
TSCHAKeee	aavamobile: it's people like you, partially informed, that cause these idiotic rumours, that we have to fan out.	00:20
* TSCHAKeee sick of this shit.		00:20
aavamobile	sorry if I said any unclear sentences then :)	00:20
aavamobile	but I'm informed pretty well	00:20
aavamobile	I know what Nokia said exactly	00:20
aavamobile	etc.	00:20
TSCHAKeee	MeeGo does not begin or end with Nokia.	00:20
aavamobile	but I just lost hope	00:21
aavamobile	I'm owner of N900, I get it 1 month after it has been released	00:21
aavamobile	big fan	00:21
aavamobile	of MeeGo also	00:21
SpeedEvil	The amount that n950 or n9 is meego is also a bit questionable.	00:21
TSCHAKeee	and I say again	00:21
TSCHAKeee	who gives a fuck?	00:21
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TSCHAKeee	I can take apps that I write for MeeGo, and they run on the device	00:22
lbt	TSCHAKeee: calm down	00:22
aavamobile	and of course MeeGo does not end/begin with Nokia, but MeeGo is simply not interesting for developers now, so it's only about the system	00:22
lbt	aavamobile: and do clarify ... "app developers" is not == "developers"	00:22
TSCHAKeee	lbt: no, I'm sick of this shit. the petty in fighting, the pedantic bullshit of what IS or ISN'T meego...	00:22
aavamobile	yes	00:22
aavamobile	app developers	00:22
aavamobile	system is cool	00:23
aavamobile	no doubts of that	00:23
aavamobile	but simply, no applications, I will have to move	00:23
TSCHAKeee	I heard the same damned arguments over OpenStep, Amiga, UNIX, X, NeWS, PHIGS, OpenGL...	00:23
SpeedEvil	I'm not infighting about what's meego or what's not. Simply that the n950/n9 software doesn't look much like meego core.	00:23
aavamobile	N900 is just getting old, from either application or hardware point of view	00:23
TSCHAKeee	aavamobile: so leave. later.	00:24
SpeedEvil	Not talking about the UX	00:24
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aavamobile	ahh that what I didn't get details yet	00:24
aavamobile	I thought N950/N9 is pure MeeGo with customized Ui	00:24
aavamobile	so it is not?	00:24
aavamobile	different core?	00:24
TSCHAKeee	it's Maemo 6	00:24
SpeedEvil	It imported some limited stuff from meego, and is a little more open in some ways.	00:25
TSCHAKeee	the MeeGo API's are pu top.	00:25
SpeedEvil	(and more closed in others)	00:25
aavamobile	so N9 does not really contribute to MeeGo anyhow?	00:25
* TSCHAKeee facepalms		00:25
TSCHAKeee	see, this is the bullshit that these idiotic arguments provoke.	00:25
aavamobile	:D	00:25
aavamobile	ok	00:25
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DocScrutinizer	no, this is the bullshit that Nokia provoked by the insane renaming orgy	00:32
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aavamobile	my arguments were from end-user point of view	00:34
aavamobile	not from your like developer :)	00:34
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sivang	evening all	01:26
sivang	how's things ?	01:26
sivang	Is there already support for DLNA in meego 1.2 as per compliance et al ?	01:27
berndhs	sunny and warm here	01:28
berndhs	but i dropped my remote thermometer, so can't tell you precise numbers	01:28
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sivang	berndhs: lol	01:36
sivang	berndhs: Where are you now?	01:36
berndhs	Niagara, as usual	01:37
berndhs	same time zone as NYC	01:37
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sivang	people finally went out to demand back their once social state in here, the streets are rushing :)	01:37
sivang	berndhs: ah nice, I heard you guys have a decent heat wave	01:37
berndhs	oh they want they free stuff back ?	01:37
sivang	berndhs: well, they want to be able to buy an apartment, to send kids to school etc :)	01:37
berndhs	heat is tolerable here, no moer than 32 today	01:37
sivang	berndhs: without selling their kidneys	01:37
sivang	;)	01:38
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berndhs	well, I want ....	01:38
sivang	berndhs: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4102107,00.html	01:38
sivang	berndhs: lol	01:38
berndhs	yes I heard about protests in Israel	01:39
sivang	berndhs: the initiators of the protest, well at least some of those who tagged them alone tried to make themselves a name and a career in media through it, but the cause and the overall movements is nice.	01:39
sivang	berndhs: right, I guess everybody have :)	01:39
sivang	berndhs: anyway better sutied for -bar	01:40
berndhs	sure, but perhaps too much of a copy of other countries	01:40
sivang	berndhs: in what respect?	01:40
berndhs	yeah probably -bar, MeeGo can't really provide what they ask for :)	01:40
sivang	berndhs: lol right :)	01:41
sivang	berndhs: anyway, re: meego, do you have any idea of the state of DLNA ?	01:41
berndhs	i mean, it would be nice, but its asking a lot	01:41
sivang	berndhs: sure sure :) I think the protest is nice, but they shoudl ask for better minimum wage which would automatically solve 50% of the problems.	01:41
sivang	berndhs: anyway, -bar	01:42
berndhs	yeah	01:42
sivang	berndhs: know anything about DLNA in meego on the other hand? :)	01:42
berndhs	i dont know about DLNA,	01:42
sivang	ok. thanks.	01:42
sivang	I'm trying to figure a way to get back into core C++ without spending few months with tiring books.	01:43
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berndhs	its another standard, or set thereof ?	01:43
sivang	in relation to QtQuick and C++ Qt , any idea bout that?	01:43
berndhs	look at C++0x, it has a few handy simplifications	01:43
sivang	berndhs: so apparently, it is the first (ever?) standard to be agreed upon all of the industry for universally controlling devices in the household.	01:43
berndhs	and it could remind you of C++ parts you forgot	01:44
sivang	berndhs: I used to be quite good in old school C++ , but these days, it seems C++ tried to become Python and it confuses me :)	01:44
berndhs	C++ still doesn't ahve the elegance of meaningful whitespace	01:44
sivang	berndhs: oh good, what about stuff lke Pimpl and others that I never really saw in 6 year back C++ books?	01:44
sivang	berndhs: I agree!	01:44
berndhs	I believe whitespace meaning should be left to the whitespace language :)	01:45
sivang	berndhs: lol	01:45
sivang	berndhs: got'me	01:45
sivang	berndhs: I happen to appreciate the elegence of whitespaces	01:45
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berndhs	whitespace + FORTRAN, the ideal combination	01:45
sivang	berndhs: makes me feel like I'm really doing soemthing while I'm just adding whitespaces to denote blocks	01:46
* sivang loves Python		01:46
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sivang	berndhs: makes the no-work feel like work :-p	01:46
berndhs	the apparent meaning of python programs depends on the fonts you use to display them	01:46
SpeedEvil	:)	01:46
sivang	berndhs: so I guess what I am looking for is a brief C++ review that will take me through C++ things that are required to be able to understand Qt code.	01:47
berndhs	best stick to monospace	01:47
sivang	berndhs: including the Qt source itself.	01:47
sivang	berndhs: HA HA HA	01:47
* sivang ROTFLs		01:47
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berndhs	Qt docs are very good still for C++, except for the QML part, where they dont seem finished	01:48
sivang	anybody knows if this book comes in English as well? (fellow Germen) http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2011/07/31/book-out-qt-for-symbian-and-android/	01:48
sivang	berndhs: you mean, something like pimpl is explained at the qt docs?	01:48
berndhs	what's pimpl ?	01:49
lcuk	sivang, n950-ce is being formulated at present	01:49
sivang	berndhs: it is a concept trying to make C++ behave more like Python as I understood it, as in, allowing you to duck type types :)	01:49
lcuk	many folks are eager to be using it	01:49
sivang	lcuk: a big YAY.	01:49
berndhs	I would stay away from books that mix the language with particular libraries	01:49
sivang	lcuk: Once I threaten my custom officials and get my devkit, I want to join the testers :)	01:50
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* sivang should use tent protest arguments why the device should not be custom'd		01:50
berndhs	its better to know the difference between the language and libs	01:50
sivang	berndhs: you mean, mix Qt with specific platform libs?	01:50
lcuk	yes I am trying to keep up myself, but we must remember it is Finnish holidays	01:50
berndhs	oh, things like the "foreach" construct	01:51
berndhs	that's part of some libraries and frameworks, not part of C++	01:51
sivang	berndhs: yes, like allwoing you to do so wuth a C++ type	01:51
sivang	lcuk: keep up with?	01:51
berndhs	done with macros usually, really ugly	01:51
sivang	berndhs: sec, let me find you a link. http://www.gamedev.net/page/resources/_/reference/programming/sweet-snippets/the-c-pimpl-r1794	01:52
sivang	berndhs: I was wrong has nothing to do with duck typing.	01:52
lcuk	sivang,	01:52
sivang	I guess this i implemented some other way in Qt	01:52
lcuk	http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.10.20110722.4.DE.2011-07-25.1/	01:52
lcuk	contains an n950 build	01:52
lcuk	however getting it onto machine is non-trivial	01:52
berndhs	ah yes private classes, Qt does that a lot I think	01:53
berndhs	but you're supposed to ignore it	01:53
berndhs	personally I think it sucks, mostly because it makes debugging more difficult	01:53
sivang	berndhs: But sometimes I Have to read qt code as docs, and then I come across C++ "tricks" that I want to understand.	01:53
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sivang	berndhs: it sucks BIGTIME to remove the doubt.	01:54
berndhs	you can't look into the state of those private things very weill	01:54
sivang	berndhs: yes, already had this hell once.	01:54
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sivang	lcuk: is this a hard fp arm7 images for the n900 as well?	01:54
sivang	lcuk: I mean, can I test those?	01:54
sivang	lcuk: (the mSD method and flasher )	01:55
lcuk	sure, this is the latest summer release	01:55
* sivang downloads		01:55
lcuk	yeah, download the image and kernel	01:55
lcuk	extract image; dd to your eMMC	01:55
lcuk	flash the kernel	01:55
lcuk	enjoy	01:55
lcuk	reboot, maemo there. :)	01:55
sivang	lcuk: so so sweet, been doing that ever since it was avilable that way, but there's now a dual boot way as well right?	01:56
lcuk	yeah, has been for a while	01:57
* lcuk does not actually know how though o_O		01:57
sivang	lol, that's okay	01:57
sivang	if you're using your device for everyday	01:57
sivang	better use the mSD way	01:57
lcuk	the test device is same, I am just set in my bootup and using testing methodology	01:58
lcuk	i have n900-ce on my desk at side of keyboard always on and use it as calculator and stuff	01:58
lcuk	or would if bug 20099 was fixed	01:58
MeeGoBot	Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." .	01:58
* lcuk heavily facepalms at that		01:59
sivang	hmm, interesting	01:59
lcuk	and of my own lack of knowledge to actually send a merge request	01:59
berndhs	can't fix my remote thermometer, have to go check outside	01:59
sivang	lcuk: can it do GSM and text?	01:59
lcuk	sivang, has for a while I believe	02:00
sivang	lcuk: oh you arealdy fixed that crash? nice	02:00
lcuk	sivang, I identified the issue	02:00
lcuk	qml was remarkable in that respect	02:00
sivang	lcuk: I knew it could do calls, knew there was a bug in usign the ear piece and sending text.	02:00
lcuk	no installing anything and let me insert some debug lines to find out area of problem	02:00
sivang	lcuk: how?	02:00
sivang	lcuk: oh, you mean, in the qml code it self?	02:00
lcuk	yeah, that is where the regression/bug comes from	02:00
sivang	lcuk: e.g. you can tap into existing code and change it on the fly to test things? :)	02:01
lcuk	yes	02:01
lcuk	:)	02:01
lcuk	made it feel closer to visual basic :)	02:01
lcuk	compile/run cycle times should be almost instant	02:01
lcuk	:)	02:02
lcuk	qml has that effect on device	02:02
* lcuk cannot believe he just complemented qml		02:02
sivang	lcuk: this has been taking sleep out me over the time since I first tried QML myself, and made me come up with that: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/groups/qt_contributors_summit/wiki/CrowdQuick	02:02
* lcuk washes his mouth out ;)		02:02
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sivang	lcuk: LOL	02:02
sivang	lcuk: I'm currently working on the web backend.	02:03
italic	i don't really understand meego, does the distro "include" a window manager?	02:03
sivang	so is still vaporware, but one has the right to dream :)	02:03
sivang	italic: include?	02:03
italic	is it one big package, including the ui, or can i install another window manager?	02:04
italic	like xfce or something	02:04
* lcuk is going on a bike ride next weekend		02:04
lcuk	http://www.goskyride.com/Manchester	02:04
lcuk	:)	02:04
sofar	italic: you mean desktop environment, not "window manager"	02:04
sivang	lcuk: hmm Manchester. I miss it a bit, I have some very good friends there	02:04
sofar	italic: and yes, you can replace the desktop with another desktop environment	02:05
sivang	lcuk: seems like a very good place to bike	02:05
sivang	but there's a window manager :)	02:05
lcuk	yes I used to as a kid	02:05
italic	i'd like to install xmonad, since im used to it	02:05
sivang	and I think it is different between vertical, IIRC	02:05
sivang	sofar: am I wrong?	02:05
lcuk	italic, :D	02:05
lcuk	have a go	02:05
sivang	italic: right, download, install , profit	02:05
sivang	(1)	02:05
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sivang	lcuk: in ce?	02:06
italic	ok, ive never used meego, im coming from ubuntu	02:06
lcuk	worth a try in meego if italic wants to build and test	02:06
lcuk	italic, download the netbook image, it has most scope for window manager messing	02:06
lcuk	if on a bigger x86 device	02:06
sofar	I package xfce4 packages for meego on the official OBS	02:06
sivang	lcuk: clutter is the wm right?	02:06
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lcuk	yeah	02:07
sivang	right, so I know somethign :-p	02:07
lcuk	but I have seen numerous wms	02:07
sivang	nice of me.	02:07
sofar	http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/xfce/	02:07
lcuk	lol	02:07
italic	meego is on that new asus netbook i want, i dont know to just install ubuntu, or try installing my apps on meego	02:07
sivang	yes, since it is a proper upstream linux stack italic , you can do whatever you like with it.	02:07
sofar	you can also install the netbook UX	02:07
sivang	italic: netbook UX is SO sweet.	02:07
sivang	(at least for me)	02:07
lcuk	we have desktop_changing wiki page	02:07
lcuk	for how to go about configuring	02:07
italic	so i can install emacs and all that jazz?	02:08
lcuk	http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops	02:08
sofar	sure, emacs is there	02:08
sivang	sofar: and even Pytho twisted :)	02:08
italic	ok, this doesn't sound as bad as i imagined	02:08
sivang	italic: bad? meego is good	02:08
sivang	italic: it is the good guy on the block, trust us.	02:08
sivang	italic: more open than android, better than windows, lighter than ubnntu	02:09
sivang	(I can't mention iOS in the same line, sorry :)))	02:09
italic	good to hear. i just worry when netbooks provide an "integrated solution"	02:09
italic	i	02:09
italic	i'll give it a fair shake :)	02:09
sivang	italic: integrated as a reference, nothing more.	02:10
sivang	italic: if you want compliance that you need to worry more, but you are not there yet, I think :)	02:10
sivang	italic: love your meego, and it loves you back, speaking out of experience	02:10
sivang	:)	02:10
italic	all i care about is a terminal, bash, and emacs	02:10
sivang	italic: meego could be the best distro for that.	02:11
sivang	italic: I tried once the handset packages ont he netbook, boy the fun of experimenting.	02:11
sivang	italic: so you could have the handset's vkb for instance, but that's not too comfortable depending on your form factor.	02:12
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italic	i'm gonna get the ai'm looking at this: http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_X101/	02:13
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sivang	italic: are you located close to Berlin btw?	02:17
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italic	sivang: not quite, US	02:18
sivang	italic: oh I see. okay. Watch for Intel AppUp meego related events as they are all over,	02:18
sivang	italic: you can get going wtih some lectures about development etc for and abotu meego.	02:19
italic	i will. looking around, i'm surprised there's such an active community :)	02:20
sivang	italic: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/events/	02:20
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sivang	italic: don't be :) we are very active although we don't shout about it too much, if you want reasons why you can see my talk from San Francisco: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/we-want-you-new-meego-recruit	02:21
sivang	italic: you'd find this is one of the freidnliest communities in open source.	02:22
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* sivang .o0(I knew this talk would come handy in making more people interested)		02:24
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* sivang should protest about speed of .IL internet as well...		02:27
italic	sivang: cool, i'll check that talk out	02:28
sivang	italic: thanks, I appreciate it.	02:28
* sivang downloads ce at 100kBs		02:29
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sivang	night all.	02:32
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M4rtinK2	still stuck on "nothing provides dpkg-dev >= 1.16 needed by debhelper"	02:43
M4rtinK2	even dpkg build is blocked by this	02:43
M4rtinK2	anyone encountering this so far ?	02:43
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Elleo	.30	02:50
Elleo	oops	02:50
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berndhs	M4rtinK2: i had something similar, I lied about one of the dependencies to get it started	02:52
berndhs	removed it from one of the packages, and then put it back later	02:53
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M4rtinK2	hmm, that might work :)	02:54
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M4rtinK2	IMHO, some of the dependencies look fishy anyway	02:55
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jppiiroinen	hi	04:30
jppiiroinen	i am having an issue with qmediarecorder or something..	04:30
jppiiroinen	i manage to record and save a video into a file, but i have no read or write access from the app	04:31
jppiiroinen	this is on n950	04:31
jppiiroinen	do i need some kind of aegis things for this? as i have the linux access rights to the file	04:31
jppiiroinen	any help, comments would be great	04:32
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jppiiroinen	did some more digging and i found a debug message from resourceengine that access is denied..	04:43
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jppiiroinen	any ideas what credential should i add in this denied case: http://pastebin.com/jJNDAV31	04:59
jppiiroinen	or if anyone knows an url which would explain more that handlegrantmessage output..	04:59
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Dysfunktional	Hey guys x	05:00
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Termana	morning	05:52
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TimmyT	i've downloaded meego for n900, how to install meego beside maemo?	08:20
Stskeeps	http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted	08:24
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qgil	hi, I'm trying to learn how to open a qml file after the user accepts a DialogQuery	09:25
qgil	here is the code: http://paste.debian.net/124640/	09:25
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qgil	according to thedocs, that dialog will emit a signal Dialog::accepted ()	09:25
qgil	but I don't now how to handle that signal in order to get a qml file open whenever it is TRUE	09:25
qgil	any tips if there is anybody awake here at this time :)	09:26
sofar	shout, really loud	09:27
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Bostik	considering that all handlers in QML seem to follow the general naming convention "onSomeEvent", I would expect the handler to be 'onAccepted'	09:36
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RST38h	Anyone willing to help with the Harmattan QMainWindow???	11:36
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lcuk	can a yaml file be used to generate debian info?	14:37
dm8tbr	google says maybe: http://code.google.com/p/pkgcreator/	14:38
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lcuk	interesting	14:42
lcuk	so if capable and not a once only thing	14:42
lcuk	maintaining a yaml could work for meego/maemo/harmattan	14:42
Stskeeps	i think spectacle actually has debian too	14:44
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berndhs	morning	14:59
M4rtinK2	morning :)	14:59
dm8tbr	I'd be also interested in how feasible alien-harmattan is	14:59
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lcuk	dm8tbr, so that only one set of changelogs etc was managed?	15:00
M4rtinK2	lbt: any idea how to get rid of debhelper/dpkg-dev circular dependencies ? :)	15:00
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M4rtinK2	looks like even home:rzr:debian is blocked by it, nod only my home:MartinK:harmattan	15:01
lbt	M4rtinK2: explain? (link?)	15:01
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M4rtinK2	lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan	15:01
dm8tbr	lcuk: in theory 'meego 1.2 harmattan' is binary/api/abi/whatever compatible with regular meego 1.2 for arm	15:02
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M4rtinK2	there too: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian	15:02
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dm8tbr	lcuk: main differences being rpm/deb and aegis	15:03
M4rtinK2	many packages want debhelper, once I add it, it compiles fine	15:03
M4rtinK2	but all packages start to complain that debhelper wants dpkg-dev, even dpkg	15:03
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lbt	OK ...	15:03
lbt	sounds like debhelper has a bad runtime dep on dpkg-dev	15:04
lbt	(not knowing the true dep tree off hand)	15:04
M4rtinK2	so, how to fix it ?	15:05
M4rtinK2	modifying the makefile or something ?	15:05
* lbt wonders if you should really be building debhelper and dpkg-dev if you don't know how to fix this :)		15:06
M4rtinK2	I don't want to build them :)	15:06
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M4rtinK2	I want to build packages that want them :)	15:06
M4rtinK2	well, I was wondering why such basic packages are not available on the target	15:07
lbt	good question ... one for the Harmattan community in general I think	15:07
M4rtinK2	is there some basic thing I forgot to do/enable ? :)	15:07
lbt	I made a proposal for this ... but too many people seem to think that anarchy is the best option :)	15:08
lbt	the fact is	15:08
lbt	Harmattan needs some TLC and some core packages need to be adopted	15:08
lbt	dh and co amongst them	15:08
lbt	what we need is a DD to act as a mentor for those packages	15:09
lbt	then consolidate them to Surrounds:Testing	15:09
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lbt	with approval from someone who knows WTF they are doing (which is not me unless I spend more time on this)	15:10
SpeedEvil	It's the sort of work which few are willing to do without pay alas.	15:10
lbt	nod	15:11
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SpeedEvil	And even if htey're qilling, it's so time consuming that ...	15:17
lbt	well, I think we can get the basic build-essentials done w/o too much trouble	15:18
lbt	Fathi should be able to do this with about 4 brain cellls	15:19
lbt	M4rtinK2: so ... you need to find a DD - then we get approval from them on how to solve the problem. Then you and I move them to Surrounds:Testing and they're available for everyone	15:20
lbt	or jeremiah ...	15:21
M4rtinK2	lbt: ok	15:21
M4rtinK2	but I don't think I know any Debian developers personally	15:22
M4rtinK2	what about a meego.com/Developer support thread ? :)	15:22
lbt	sounds reasonable	15:24
M4rtinK2	lbt: BTW, looks like these packages are blocking everything - fixing just these two might make quite a few others build	15:24
lbt	I agree	15:24
M4rtinK2	lbt: what about "debhelper & dpkg-dev circular dependency in COBS - Debian Experts needed" for the thread tile ? :)	15:28
lbt	I'd like a DD/MOTU for those ... and clarify it's a sponsor role and not a 'do it'	15:29
M4rtinK2	DD/MOTU ?	15:29
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M4rtinK2	DD = Debian Developer ?	15:30
lbt	debian developer or the ubuntu equiv	15:30
M4rtinK2	oh	15:30
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M4rtinK2	lbt: thread posted http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27801	15:41
lbt	M4rtinK2: neat ... shame most DDs won't see it .... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27597#post27597	15:42
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M4rtinK2	well, we just need >=1 helpful DD's :) but yeah, seems like a missed opportunity	15:46
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berndhs	how would I get a clarification on the license for meego-ux-theme ? the yaml file says "restricted"	19:24
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dm8tbr	berndhs: contact LF, if it is what I think it is then you should only use it if you are compliant	19:37
berndhs	aha	19:37
dm8tbr	(not that anybody seems to care)	19:38
berndhs	i'm not calling the result meego, so I don't know what compliance means in this case	19:38
berndhs	but yeah, there could well be things in the theme that make it look like it is MeeGo	19:39
dm8tbr	https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-theme/blobs/master/COPYING	19:39
berndhs	yes makes sense	19:40
berndhs	I'll be at least as compliant as Nokia :p	19:40
dm8tbr	well seems they got some exception from god himself, I'd not argue with that. :/	19:41
dm8tbr	but yeah, I was seen making very similar comments	19:41
dm8tbr	berndhs: btw, commercial or non-commercial project?	19:41
berndhs	non-commercial, unless someone wants to pay me big bucks	19:42
berndhs	i just want to make a different UX	19:42
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dm8tbr	berndhs: if you need image hosting or something. images.formeego.org is open for you like for everyone else :)	19:42
berndhs	so I need diverging versions of all the meego-ux-something	19:43
berndhs	yes I know, not at that point yet	19:43
berndhs	i'm just doing all the infrastructure	19:43
dm8tbr	berndhs: IMHO Meego should provide redistributable 'reference' packages, but that's just my opinion	19:43
berndhs	seems like a reasonable way to do it	19:44
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berndhs	I will have to do somewhat different theming, but I want to use the same structure	19:44
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berndhs	or maybe I'll find an artist voulnteer to draw a bunch of icons and backgrounds	19:55
* lcuk started to draw in colour properly today :)		19:56
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/liq.20110731_011052.flower.scr.png	19:56
berndhs	those are the filled polygons ?	19:57
lcuk	berndhs, :) yes	19:57
berndhs	i'm just starting to wonder about the wisdom of avoiding curved lines in graphics	19:59
berndhs	its basically done to simplify the math, because of computational load concerns	19:59
berndhs	but with all these gazillions of tiny tiny polygons, is that really working ?	20:00
lcuk	berndhs, of course	20:00
berndhs	the approach comes from work in the early 1980s, perhaps earlier	20:01
lcuk	where in graphics avoids curves?	20:02
berndhs	everything is polygons	20:02
berndhs	at the bottom layers at least	20:02
lcuk	well, everything is a stroke	20:03
lcuk	a polygon is a closed stroke :P	20:03
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berndhs	its done this way because of assumptions about the hardware	20:03
berndhs	and those assumptions are 30 years old, so I'm not sure they are still valid	20:03
lcuk	practicality too	20:04
berndhs	sure, practicality as in inertia :)	20:04
lcuk	would you design a circular lcd, or a rectangular one with some masking?	20:04
* lcuk considers circle uis often		20:04
lcuk	use scaled circles and fill in the gaps with smaller circles	20:04
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* lcuk likes that sort of thing :)		20:05
SpeedEvil	lcuk: I have seen an oval LCD - graphical	20:05
berndhs	sure that would work just as well	20:05
SpeedEvil	lcuk: It's a pity that they aren't more common	20:05
SpeedEvil	lcuk: I'd like circular LCDs.	20:05
berndhs	straight lines are not natural in physical objects	20:05
lcuk	http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.png	20:06
* lcuk wants to make each bubble an app		20:06
berndhs	all right, ux-theme has a measely 2004 .png files	20:08
berndhs	this compliance thing is partly so that LF has a veto on who does what, isn't it	20:09
dm8tbr	it's all about control isn't it?	20:10
berndhs	maybe that will be my random quote in the metrics :)	20:10
berndhs	i dont know if all of it is about control, but some of it certainly	20:11
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berndhs	its a business aspect	20:11
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berndhs	mic2 can be frustrating, I say exclude package thusly: "-package"	20:18
berndhs	and it includes it anyway	20:18
CosmoHill	lcuk / lbt, what's the name of the company you work for that begins with C	20:22
lbt	not me...	20:23
lbt	Collabra ?	20:23
CosmoHill	yes	20:23
CosmoHill	thanks	20:23
* lbt is busy making a selection on wormsdirect.co.uk ... the internet is a strange place...		20:24
lbt	oops,,, no, www.wormsdirectuk.co.uk	20:24
* CosmoHill wonders if he's on the right websiter		20:25
SpeedEvil	I bought some sourdough the other day.	20:25
lbt	SpeedEvil: hopefully it didn't have worms....	20:25
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SpeedEvil	And I'm working on a program to do evil things to tesco.	20:25
CosmoHill	found it: http://www.collabora.com/, has a second o in it :)	20:26
SpeedEvil	(If you order an item they're delisting and have reuced the price on it to clear, you can price match on items that are in stock)	20:26
CosmoHill	bah, only job is in canada	20:27
lbt	CosmoHill: talk to Robot101 ... ;)	20:27
* CosmoHill pokes Robot101		20:27
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CosmoHill	I typed in "IT" and it's given me Vehicle Inspector for £8 / hour	20:28
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berndhs	their ad is fake, one requirement is "Having previously-worked for our group of companies for a minimum of 1 year"	20:29
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berndhs	so looks like they already have their guy/girl, just need to advertise the position for technical reasons	20:29
CosmoHill	berndhs: that sounds just like the last job I applied for	20:30
CosmoHill	closing date was friday, short listed gets told on monday	20:30
berndhs	happens a fair bit, I blame unreasonable regulations	20:31
CosmoHill	I was told all sorts of things like if I had the interview I should remove my earring (not told by them but people who knew the school)	20:32
berndhs	company XYZ wants to transfer someone to another country, regulations say they have to try to hire locals	20:32
SpeedEvil	Often those sorts of stipulations are not legal.	20:34
berndhs	immigration laws are like that	20:34
berndhs	its nicer if you can see it from the ad, otherwise you would waste time applying :)	20:35
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CosmoHill	(admin job): Highly computer literate - advanced Outlook as well as experience of using Word, Excel and PowerPoint, as well as Adobe Acrobat	20:36
* CosmoHill seems to have taken the convo off topic again, sorry		20:37
berndhs	its ok, all discussions of relevant computing business ecosystem	20:37
CosmoHill	to bring it back on topic, Any meego related jobs in south east england? ^.^	20:38
alienwoo	hi guys i'm hiring. I need someone to carry my giant nutsack around...it's giving me back problems. $8/hr...must have strong biceps.	20:39
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CosmoHill	I think you'd be better off with a trolly	20:39
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berndhs	what is the purpose of "Requires: %{name} >= %{version}" ? in a spec/yaml file ?	20:55
berndhs	seems bogus and circular	20:55
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vgrade	waits for the knock on the door from the Intel and LF lawyers	20:58
arfoll	vgrade, what have you done now?	20:58
vgrade	arfoll hi	20:58
arfoll	hey	20:58
Bostik	berndhs: it forces an upgrade, with the flags used in zypper, rpm is happy to install multiple versions of the same package	20:58
CosmoHill	I'm guessing a MeeGo image with drives for the GMA500	20:59
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Bostik	or would be, I believe	20:59
vgrade	well I'm about to redistribute this trimslice image to you and according to the convo earlier thats not allowed	20:59
vgrade	CosmoHill, EMGD is OK now	20:59
CosmoHill	that's the one	20:59
arfoll	vgrade, why not?	20:59
vgrade	https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-theme/blobs/master/COPYING	21:00
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arfoll	vgrade, nice find. although I doubt LF lawyers will go at you with that...	21:01
vgrade	arfoll, not my find, berndhs	21:01
arfoll	either way you can delete the whole meego-ux-theme pakage from the image and you're gd	21:01
vgrade	image uploading now, linky soon	21:02
arfoll	cool	21:02
arfoll	well hopefully UPS don't miss my flat again	21:02
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CosmoHill	they won't, it's sunday	21:05
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vgrade	arfoll, btw, xbmc-gles install fails with nothing provides swscale_0_arm.so	21:24
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arfoll	vgrade, yeah i know - been playing with n900 and it	21:40
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vgrade	arfoll, refuses to run on trimslice, demands 24bit	21:53
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arfoll	vgrade, well i guess I got more work ;-)	21:58
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vgrade	I've been having a look, http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/qt/src/gui/egl/qegl_x11.cpp#319	22:06
vgrade	http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/02/05/qtx11-bring-up-on-tegra2-with-full-opengl-es-2-support/ , mentions	22:06
vgrade	https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-9444, related	22:07
vgrade	related example patch, http://sprunge.us/eEBb	22:07
vgrade	not go roung to building qegl_x11.cpp with that applied	22:08
vgrade	image nearly up	22:09
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berndhs	man uploading the theme takes a long time	23:12
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