IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2011-07-31

arfollin the scheduler log http://pastebin.com/SutFddw800:00
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aavamobileHello, anyone interested in getting aavamobile.info domain?00:05
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lbtarfoll: no, actually I'm seeing the same problem00:06
sofaraavamobile: why are you asking?00:06
arfolllbt, that makes me feel a bit better00:06
* ShadowJK is guessing aavamobile owns aavamobile.info00:07
arfollits weird though because osc -A local ls meego.com:MeeGo:1.2:oss works00:07
lbtcurl  https://api.meego.com/public00:07
aavamobileI'm asking because I own aavamobile.info, Aava Mobile company does not own it, and I emailed them if they are interested, no answer yet.00:08
sofarspam is prohibited in this channel00:08
berndhsi thought the aava thingy was discontinued00:08
aavamobileyou mean Aava Company is past now?00:08
aavamobileno more aava stuff?00:09
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berndhsdunno, just have a vague memory of reading something along those lines00:09
berndhsask them00:09
sofarthe aava platform is pretty much dead, yes00:09
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* arfoll wonders wether it was ever alive....00:10
aavamobileis there any real open device out there?00:10
aavamobileexcept gta02 or upcoming gta04? (openmoko platform)00:10
SpeedEvilaavamobile: not realy.00:10
SpeedEvilThe openest thing sort-of-out tehre is the n900.00:10
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SpeedEvilBut that's only available new from places that have remaindered stock.00:10
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SpeedEvilAnd there are no more warranty mainboars - people with warranty repairs are getting offered n8s00:11
aavamobileI have n900 but thinking about move to android00:11
lbtarfoll: suspect not00:11
aavamobilebecause there isn't much development anymore, N900 is getting old, operating system too, and MeeGo seems dead from Nokia side00:11
aavamobileand rumors about LG releasing meego device etc. are dead also00:12
aavamobileseems that all of us will have to move to android in few months :/00:12
SpeedEvilAndroid has - generally - the fundamental problem that in most cases the bootloaders are locked.00:12
aavamobileyes but I'm fan of Nexus line of android phones00:12
lbtarfoll: is osc working for you?00:12
lcukthe aava running meego-ce would do very well from what I could gather00:13
arfolllbt, yeah osc with the link works fine00:13
lcukif the graphics tearing that I recall it had00:13
lcukis resolvable00:13
aavamobile3rd Nexus from google, should be released on Q4 2011, rumors say name: Nexus Prime, should be big screen device (around 4,5"), high resolution, no front buttons00:13
lbthttps://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2213400:14
MeeGoBotBug 22134 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Main meego obs down00:14
lcuki met a representative of aava at dublin00:14
aavamobilereally?00:14
aavamobilewhen?00:14
lcukwe stood in the rain outside smoking and compared and enthused about graphical attributes00:14
aavamobileso they still exist?00:14
aavamobileor not anymore?00:14
aavamobiledo they do any job for Intel?00:14
lcukmyself and damian (cloudgps guy) were really pumping high speed perforamnce graphics for meego specifically00:14
lcuki do not know, it would certainly be interesting to get some of those devices into the ddp00:15
lcuki would certainly be interested00:15
arfolllbt, cheers for verifying that. i hope we get a response at least this time00:15
lcukat least now also similar form factor n950 exists00:15
aavamobileI have emailed them even like 1 months ago, no answer so far00:15
lcukif the aava can happily run meego from the repositories then it is 1up on the n950 right now00:15
aavamobileanyone here owns n950?00:16
lcuki have one and many others here do00:16
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aavamobilemany others?00:16
aavamobileah00:16
TSCHAKeeewe don't exactly own them00:16
TSCHAKeeethey are loaners from Nokia.00:16
aavamobileI see00:17
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aavamobileis it cool dveice?00:17
TSCHAKeeeif you don't already have one, you can't get one.00:17
aavamobiledevice*00:17
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TSCHAKeeeit's the best device, hardware and software, that Nokia has produced to date.00:17
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SpeedEvil:/00:17
TSCHAKeeebut you'll need to wait for the Nokia N9 in September.00:17
aavamobilebecause Nokia said that no matter if MeeGo will have success or not, they end with it00:17
TSCHAKeeewith the N900:18
aavamobileyes00:18
TSCHAKeeeand they have said that they have no plans for further MeeGo devices00:18
TSCHAKeeethat does not mean the same thing as "ending it"00:18
SpeedEvilI'd much rather buy a n950 than a n900:18
aavamobileme too00:18
TSCHAKeeeMeeGo goes on as a small division in Nokia.00:18
aavamobileI saw videos with N950 and seems nice00:18
aavamobilehm00:18
TSCHAKeeeI really wish people would get their fucking facts straight00:18
SpeedEvilMeego goes on as a small division - yes - but practically this means little.00:19
aavamobilebut no more MeeGo devices = end00:19
SpeedEvilThough it's good that they're contributing.00:19
TSCHAKeeesigh.00:19
TSCHAKeeeI'm going to walk out of here before I start cursing.00:19
aavamobilelol00:19
SpeedEvilAnd in principle more devices may happen if Elop sets his trousers on fire.00:19
TSCHAKeeeaavamobile: it's people like you, partially informed, that cause these idiotic rumours, that we have to fan out.00:20
* TSCHAKeee sick of this shit.00:20
aavamobilesorry if I said any unclear sentences then :)00:20
aavamobilebut I'm informed pretty well00:20
aavamobileI know what Nokia said exactly00:20
aavamobileetc.00:20
TSCHAKeeeMeeGo does not begin or end with Nokia.00:20
aavamobilebut I just lost hope00:21
aavamobileI'm owner of N900, I get it 1 month after it has been released00:21
aavamobilebig fan00:21
aavamobileof MeeGo also00:21
SpeedEvilThe amount that n950 or n9 is meego is also a bit questionable.00:21
TSCHAKeeeand I say again00:21
TSCHAKeeewho gives a fuck?00:21
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TSCHAKeeeI can take apps that I write for MeeGo, and they run on the device00:22
lbtTSCHAKeee: calm down00:22
aavamobileand of course MeeGo does not end/begin with Nokia, but MeeGo is simply not interesting for developers now, so it's only about the system00:22
lbtaavamobile: and do clarify ... "app developers" is not == "developers"00:22
TSCHAKeeelbt: no, I'm sick of this shit. the petty in fighting, the pedantic bullshit of what IS or ISN'T meego...00:22
aavamobileyes00:22
aavamobileapp developers00:22
aavamobilesystem is cool00:23
aavamobileno doubts of that00:23
aavamobilebut simply, no applications, I will have to move00:23
TSCHAKeeeI heard the same damned arguments over OpenStep, Amiga, UNIX, X, NeWS, PHIGS, OpenGL...00:23
SpeedEvilI'm not infighting about what's meego or what's not. Simply that the n950/n9 software doesn't look much like meego core.00:23
aavamobileN900 is just getting old, from either application or hardware point of view00:23
TSCHAKeeeaavamobile: so leave. later.00:24
SpeedEvilNot talking about the UX00:24
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aavamobileahh that what I didn't get details yet00:24
aavamobileI thought N950/N9 is pure MeeGo with customized Ui00:24
aavamobileso it is not?00:24
aavamobiledifferent core?00:24
TSCHAKeeeit's Maemo 600:24
SpeedEvilIt imported some limited stuff from meego, and is a little more open in some ways.00:25
TSCHAKeeethe MeeGo API's are pu top.00:25
SpeedEvil(and more closed in others)00:25
aavamobileso N9 does not really contribute to MeeGo anyhow?00:25
* TSCHAKeee facepalms00:25
TSCHAKeeesee, this is the bullshit that these idiotic arguments provoke.00:25
aavamobile:D00:25
aavamobileok00:25
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DocScrutinizerno, this is the bullshit that Nokia provoked by the insane renaming orgy00:32
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aavamobilemy arguments were from end-user point of view00:34
aavamobilenot from your like developer :)00:34
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sivangevening all01:26
sivanghow's things ?01:26
sivangIs there already support for DLNA in meego 1.2 as per compliance et al ?01:27
berndhssunny and warm here01:28
berndhsbut i dropped my remote thermometer, so can't tell you precise numbers01:28
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sivangberndhs: lol01:36
sivangberndhs: Where are you now?01:36
berndhsNiagara, as usual01:37
berndhssame time zone as NYC01:37
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sivangpeople finally went out to demand back their once social state in here, the streets are rushing :)01:37
sivangberndhs: ah nice, I heard you guys have a decent heat wave01:37
berndhsoh they want they free stuff back ?01:37
sivangberndhs: well, they want to be able to buy an apartment, to send kids to school etc :)01:37
berndhsheat is tolerable here, no moer than 32 today01:37
sivangberndhs: without selling their kidneys01:37
sivang;)01:38
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berndhswell, I want ....01:38
sivangberndhs: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4102107,00.html01:38
sivangberndhs: lol01:38
berndhsyes I heard about protests in Israel01:39
sivangberndhs: the initiators of the protest, well at least some of those who tagged them alone tried to make themselves a name and a career in media through it, but the cause and the overall movements is nice.01:39
sivangberndhs: right, I guess everybody have :)01:39
sivangberndhs: anyway better sutied for -bar01:40
berndhssure, but perhaps too much of a copy of other countries01:40
sivangberndhs: in what respect?01:40
berndhsyeah probably -bar, MeeGo can't really provide what they ask for :)01:40
sivangberndhs: lol right :)01:41
sivangberndhs: anyway, re: meego, do you have any idea of the state of DLNA ?01:41
berndhsi mean, it would be nice, but its asking a lot01:41
sivangberndhs: sure sure :) I think the protest is nice, but they shoudl ask for better minimum wage which would automatically solve 50% of the problems.01:41
sivangberndhs: anyway, -bar01:42
berndhsyeah01:42
sivangberndhs: know anything about DLNA in meego on the other hand? :)01:42
berndhsi dont know about DLNA,01:42
sivangok. thanks.01:42
sivangI'm trying to figure a way to get back into core C++ without spending few months with tiring books.01:43
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berndhsits another standard, or set thereof ?01:43
sivangin relation to QtQuick and C++ Qt , any idea bout that?01:43
berndhslook at C++0x, it has a few handy simplifications01:43
sivangberndhs: so apparently, it is the first (ever?) standard to be agreed upon all of the industry for universally controlling devices in the household.01:43
berndhsand it could remind you of C++ parts you forgot01:44
sivangberndhs: I used to be quite good in old school C++ , but these days, it seems C++ tried to become Python and it confuses me :)01:44
berndhsC++ still doesn't ahve the elegance of meaningful whitespace01:44
sivangberndhs: oh good, what about stuff lke Pimpl and others that I never really saw in 6 year back C++ books?01:44
sivangberndhs: I agree!01:44
berndhsI believe whitespace meaning should be left to the whitespace language :)01:45
sivangberndhs: lol01:45
sivangberndhs: got'me01:45
sivangberndhs: I happen to appreciate the elegence of whitespaces01:45
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berndhswhitespace + FORTRAN, the ideal combination01:45
sivangberndhs: makes me feel like I'm really doing soemthing while I'm just adding whitespaces to denote blocks01:46
* sivang loves Python01:46
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sivangberndhs: makes the no-work feel like work :-p01:46
berndhsthe apparent meaning of python programs depends on the fonts you use to display them01:46
SpeedEvil:)01:46
sivangberndhs: so I guess what I am looking for is a brief C++ review that will take me through C++ things that are required to be able to understand Qt code.01:47
berndhsbest stick to monospace01:47
sivangberndhs: including the Qt source itself.01:47
sivangberndhs: HA HA HA01:47
* sivang ROTFLs01:47
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berndhsQt docs are very good still for C++, except for the QML part, where they dont seem finished01:48
sivanganybody knows if this book comes in English as well? (fellow Germen) http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2011/07/31/book-out-qt-for-symbian-and-android/01:48
sivangberndhs: you mean, something like pimpl is explained at the qt docs?01:48
berndhswhat's pimpl ?01:49
lcuksivang, n950-ce is being formulated at present01:49
sivangberndhs: it is a concept trying to make C++ behave more like Python as I understood it, as in, allowing you to duck type types :)01:49
lcukmany folks are eager to be using it01:49
sivanglcuk: a big YAY.01:49
berndhsI would stay away from books that mix the language with particular libraries01:49
sivanglcuk: Once I threaten my custom officials and get my devkit, I want to join the testers :)01:50
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* sivang should use tent protest arguments why the device should not be custom'd01:50
berndhsits better to know the difference between the language and libs01:50
sivangberndhs: you mean, mix Qt with specific platform libs?01:50
lcukyes I am trying to keep up myself, but we must remember it is Finnish holidays01:50
berndhsoh, things like the "foreach" construct01:51
berndhsthat's part of some libraries and frameworks, not part of C++01:51
sivangberndhs: yes, like allwoing you to do so wuth a C++ type01:51
sivanglcuk: keep up with?01:51
berndhsdone with macros usually, really ugly01:51
sivangberndhs: sec, let me find you a link. http://www.gamedev.net/page/resources/_/reference/programming/sweet-snippets/the-c-pimpl-r179401:52
sivangberndhs: I was wrong has nothing to do with duck typing.01:52
lcuksivang,01:52
sivangI guess this i implemented some other way in Qt01:52
lcukhttp://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.10.20110722.4.DE.2011-07-25.1/01:52
lcukcontains an n950 build01:52
lcukhowever getting it onto machine is non-trivial01:52
berndhsah yes private classes, Qt does that a lot I think01:53
berndhsbut you're supposed to ignore it01:53
berndhspersonally I think it sucks, mostly because it makes debugging more difficult01:53
sivangberndhs: But sometimes I Have to read qt code as docs, and then I come across C++ "tricks" that I want to understand.01:53
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sivangberndhs: it sucks *BIGTIME* to remove the doubt.01:54
berndhsyou can't look into the state of those private things very weill01:54
sivangberndhs: yes, already had this hell once.01:54
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sivanglcuk: is this a hard fp arm7 images for the n900 as well?01:54
sivanglcuk: I mean, can I test those?01:54
sivanglcuk: (the mSD method and flasher )01:55
lcuksure, this is the latest summer release01:55
* sivang downloads01:55
lcukyeah, download the image and kernel01:55
lcukextract image;  dd to your eMMC01:55
lcukflash the kernel01:55
lcukenjoy01:55
lcukreboot, maemo there. :)01:55
sivanglcuk: so so sweet, been doing that ever since it was avilable that way, but there's now a dual boot way as well right?01:56
lcukyeah, has been for a while01:57
* lcuk does not actually know how though o_O01:57
sivanglol, that's okay01:57
sivangif you're using your device for everyday01:57
sivangbetter use the mSD way01:57
lcukthe test device is same, I am just set in my bootup and using testing methodology01:58
lcuki have n900-ce on my desk at side of keyboard always on and use it as calculator and stuff01:58
lcukor would if bug 20099 was fixed01:58
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." .01:58
* lcuk heavily facepalms at that01:59
sivanghmm, interesting01:59
lcukand of my own lack of knowledge to actually send a merge request01:59
berndhscan't fix my remote thermometer, have to go check outside01:59
sivanglcuk: can it do GSM and text?01:59
lcuksivang, has for a while I believe02:00
sivanglcuk: oh you arealdy fixed that crash? nice02:00
lcuksivang, I identified the issue02:00
lcukqml was remarkable in that respect02:00
sivanglcuk: I knew it could do calls, knew there was a bug in usign the ear piece and sending text.02:00
lcukno installing anything and let me insert some debug lines to find out area of problem02:00
sivanglcuk: how?02:00
sivanglcuk: oh, you mean, in the qml code it self?02:00
lcukyeah, that is where the regression/bug comes from02:00
sivanglcuk: e.g. you can tap into existing code and change it on the fly to test things? :)02:01
lcukyes02:01
lcuk :)02:01
lcukmade it feel closer to visual basic :)02:01
lcukcompile/run cycle times should be almost instant02:01
lcuk:)02:02
lcukqml has that effect on device02:02
* lcuk cannot believe he just complemented qml02:02
sivanglcuk: this has been taking sleep out me over the time since I first tried QML myself, and made me come up with that: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/groups/qt_contributors_summit/wiki/CrowdQuick02:02
* lcuk washes his mouth out ;)02:02
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sivanglcuk: LOL02:02
sivanglcuk: I'm currently working on the web backend.02:03
italici don't really understand meego, does the distro "include" a window manager?02:03
sivangso is still vaporware, but one has the right to dream :)02:03
sivangitalic: include?02:03
italicis it one big package, including the ui, or can i install another window manager?02:04
italiclike xfce or something02:04
* lcuk is going on a bike ride next weekend02:04
lcukhttp://www.goskyride.com/Manchester02:04
lcuk:)02:04
sofaritalic: you mean desktop environment, not "window manager"02:04
sivanglcuk: hmm Manchester. I miss it a bit, I have some very good friends there02:04
sofaritalic: and yes, you can replace the desktop with another desktop environment02:05
sivanglcuk: seems like a very good place to bike02:05
sivangbut there's a window manager :)02:05
lcukyes I used to as a kid02:05
italici'd like to install xmonad, since im used to it02:05
sivangand I think it is different between vertical, IIRC02:05
sivangsofar: am I wrong?02:05
lcukitalic, :D02:05
lcukhave a go02:05
sivangitalic: right, download, install , profit02:05
sivang(1)02:05
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sivanglcuk: in ce?02:06
italicok, ive never used meego, im coming from ubuntu02:06
lcukworth a try in meego if italic wants to build and test02:06
lcukitalic, download the netbook image, it has most scope for window manager messing02:06
lcukif on a bigger x86 device02:06
sofarI package xfce4 packages for meego on the official OBS02:06
sivanglcuk: clutter is the wm right?02:06
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lcukyeah02:07
sivangright, so I know somethign :-p02:07
lcukbut I have seen numerous wms02:07
sivangnice of me.02:07
sofarhttp://download.meego.com/live/devel:/xfce/02:07
lcuklol02:07
italicmeego is on that new asus netbook i want, i dont know to just install ubuntu, or try installing my apps on meego02:07
sivangyes, since it is a proper upstream linux stack italic , you can do whatever you like with it.02:07
sofaryou can also install the netbook UX02:07
sivangitalic: netbook UX is SO sweet.02:07
sivang(at least for me)02:07
lcukwe have desktop_changing wiki page02:07
lcukfor how to go about configuring02:07
italicso i can install emacs and all that jazz?02:08
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops02:08
sofarsure, emacs is there02:08
sivangsofar: and even Pytho twisted :)02:08
italicok, this doesn't sound as bad as i imagined02:08
sivangitalic: bad? meego is good02:08
sivangitalic: it is the good guy on the block, trust us.02:08
sivangitalic: more open than android, better than windows, lighter than ubnntu02:09
sivang(I can't mention iOS in the same line, sorry :)))02:09
italicgood to hear. i just worry when netbooks provide an "integrated solution"02:09
italici02:09
italici'll give it a fair shake :)02:09
sivangitalic: integrated as a reference, nothing more.02:10
sivangitalic: if you want compliance that you need to worry more, but you are not there yet, I think :)02:10
sivangitalic: love your meego, and it loves you back, speaking out of experience02:10
sivang:)02:10
italicall i care about is a terminal, bash, and emacs02:10
sivangitalic: meego could be the best distro for that.02:11
sivangitalic: I tried once the handset packages ont he netbook, boy the fun of experimenting.02:11
sivangitalic: so you could have the handset's vkb for instance, but that's not too comfortable depending on your form factor.02:12
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italici'm gonna get the ai'm looking at this: http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_X101/02:13
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sivangitalic: are you located close to Berlin btw?02:17
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italicsivang: not quite, US02:18
sivangitalic: oh I see. okay. Watch for Intel AppUp meego related events as they are all over,02:18
sivangitalic: you can get going wtih some lectures about development etc for and abotu meego.02:19
italici will. looking around, i'm surprised there's such an active community :)02:20
sivangitalic: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/events/02:20
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sivangitalic: don't be :) we are very active although we don't shout about it too much, if you want reasons why you can see my talk from San Francisco: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/we-want-you-new-meego-recruit02:21
sivangitalic: you'd find this is one of the freidnliest communities in open source.02:22
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* sivang .o0(I knew this talk would come handy in making more people interested)02:24
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* sivang should protest about speed of .IL internet as well...02:27
italicsivang: cool, i'll check that talk out02:28
sivangitalic: thanks, I appreciate it.02:28
* sivang downloads ce at 100kBs02:29
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sivangnight all.02:32
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M4rtinK2still stuck on "nothing provides dpkg-dev >= 1.16 needed by debhelper"02:43
M4rtinK2even dpkg build is blocked by this02:43
M4rtinK2anyone encountering this so far ?02:43
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Elleo.3002:50
Elleooops02:50
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berndhsM4rtinK2: i had something similar, I lied about one of the dependencies to get it started02:52
berndhsremoved it from one of the packages, and then put it back later02:53
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M4rtinK2hmm, that might work :)02:54
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M4rtinK2IMHO, some of the dependencies look fishy anyway02:55
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jppiiroinenhi04:30
jppiiroineni am having an issue with qmediarecorder or something..04:30
jppiiroineni manage to record and save a video into a file, but i have no read or write access from the app04:31
jppiiroinenthis is on n95004:31
jppiiroinendo i need some kind of aegis things for this? as i have the linux access rights to the file04:31
jppiiroinenany help, comments would be great04:32
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jppiiroinendid some more digging and i found a debug message from resourceengine that access is denied..04:43
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jppiiroinenany ideas what credential should i add in this denied case: http://pastebin.com/jJNDAV3104:59
jppiiroinenor if anyone knows an url which would explain more that handlegrantmessage output..04:59
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DysfunktionalHey guys x05:00
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TimmyTi've downloaded meego for n900, how to install meego beside maemo?08:20
Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted08:24
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qgilhi, I'm trying to learn how to open a qml file after the user accepts a DialogQuery09:25
qgilhere is the code: http://paste.debian.net/124640/09:25
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qgilaccording to thedocs, that dialog will emit a signal Dialog::accepted ()09:25
qgilbut I don't now how to handle that signal in order to get a qml file open whenever it is TRUE09:25
qgilany tips if there is anybody awake here at this time  :)09:26
sofarshout, really loud09:27
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Bostikconsidering that all handlers in QML seem to follow the general naming convention "onSomeEvent", I would expect the handler to be 'onAccepted'09:36
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RST38hAnyone willing to help with the Harmattan QMainWindow???11:36
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lcukcan a yaml file be used to generate debian info?14:37
dm8tbrgoogle says maybe: http://code.google.com/p/pkgcreator/14:38
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lcukinteresting14:42
lcukso if capable and not a once only thing14:42
lcukmaintaining a yaml could work for meego/maemo/harmattan14:42
Stskeepsi think spectacle actually has debian too14:44
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berndhsmorning14:59
M4rtinK2morning :)14:59
dm8tbrI'd be also interested in how feasible alien-harmattan is14:59
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lcukdm8tbr, so that only one set of changelogs etc was managed?15:00
M4rtinK2lbt: any idea how to get rid of debhelper/dpkg-dev circular dependencies ? :)15:00
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M4rtinK2looks like even home:rzr:debian is blocked by it, nod only my home:MartinK:harmattan15:01
lbtM4rtinK2: explain? (link?)15:01
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M4rtinK2lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan15:01
dm8tbrlcuk: in theory 'meego 1.2 harmattan' is binary/api/abi/whatever compatible with regular meego 1.2 for arm15:02
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M4rtinK2there too: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian15:02
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dm8tbrlcuk: main differences being rpm/deb and aegis15:03
M4rtinK2many packages want debhelper, once I add it, it compiles fine15:03
M4rtinK2but all packages start to complain that debhelper wants dpkg-dev, even dpkg15:03
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lbtOK ...15:03
lbtsounds like debhelper has a bad runtime dep on dpkg-dev15:04
lbt(not knowing the true dep tree off hand)15:04
M4rtinK2so, how to fix it ?15:05
M4rtinK2modifying the makefile or something ?15:05
* lbt wonders if you should really be building debhelper and dpkg-dev if you don't know how to fix this :)15:06
M4rtinK2I don't want to build them :)15:06
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M4rtinK2I want to build packages that want them :)15:06
M4rtinK2well, I was wondering why such basic packages are not available on the target15:07
lbtgood question ... one for the Harmattan community in general I think15:07
M4rtinK2is there some basic thing I forgot to do/enable ? :)15:07
lbtI made a proposal for this ... but too many people seem to think that anarchy is the best option :)15:08
lbtthe fact is15:08
lbtHarmattan needs some TLC and some core packages need to be adopted15:08
lbtdh and co amongst them15:08
lbtwhat we need is a DD to act as a mentor for those packages15:09
lbtthen consolidate them to Surrounds:Testing15:09
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lbtwith approval from someone who knows WTF they are doing (which is not me unless I spend more time on this)15:10
SpeedEvilIt's the sort of work which few are willing to do without pay alas.15:10
lbt*nod*15:11
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SpeedEvilAnd even if htey're qilling, it's so time consuming that ...15:17
lbtwell, I think we can get the basic build-essentials done w/o too much trouble15:18
lbtFathi should be able to do this with about 4 brain cellls15:19
lbtM4rtinK2: so ... you need to find a DD - then we get approval from them on how to solve the problem. Then you and I move them to Surrounds:Testing and they're available for everyone15:20
lbtor jeremiah ...15:21
M4rtinK2lbt: ok15:21
M4rtinK2but I don't think I know any Debian developers personally15:22
M4rtinK2what about a meego.com/Developer support thread ? :)15:22
lbtsounds reasonable15:24
M4rtinK2lbt: BTW, looks like these packages are blocking everything - fixing just these two might make quite a few others build15:24
lbtI agree15:24
M4rtinK2lbt: what about "debhelper & dpkg-dev circular dependency in COBS - Debian Experts needed" for the thread tile ? :)15:28
lbtI'd like a DD/MOTU for those ... and clarify it's a sponsor role and not a 'do it'15:29
M4rtinK2DD/MOTU ?15:29
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M4rtinK2DD = Debian Developer ?15:30
lbtdebian developer or the ubuntu equiv15:30
M4rtinK2oh15:30
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M4rtinK2lbt: thread posted http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=2780115:41
lbtM4rtinK2: neat ... shame most DDs won't see it .... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=27597#post2759715:42
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M4rtinK2well, we just need >=1 helpful DD's :) but yeah, seems like a missed opportunity15:46
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berndhshow would I get a clarification on the license for meego-ux-theme ? the yaml file says "restricted"19:24
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dm8tbrberndhs: contact LF, if it is what I think it is then you should only use it if you are compliant19:37
berndhsaha19:37
dm8tbr(not that anybody seems to care)19:38
berndhsi'm not calling the result *meego*, so I don't know what compliance means in this case19:38
berndhsbut yeah, there could well be things in the theme that make it look like it is MeeGo19:39
dm8tbrhttps://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-theme/blobs/master/COPYING19:39
berndhsyes makes sense19:40
berndhsI'll be at least as compliant as Nokia :p19:40
dm8tbrwell seems they got some exception from god himself, I'd not argue with that. :/19:41
dm8tbrbut yeah, I was seen making very similar comments19:41
dm8tbrberndhs: btw, commercial or non-commercial project?19:41
berndhsnon-commercial, unless someone wants to pay me big bucks19:42
berndhsi just want to make a different UX19:42
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dm8tbrberndhs: if you need image hosting or something. images.formeego.org is open for you like for everyone else :)19:42
berndhsso I need diverging versions of all the meego-ux-something19:43
berndhsyes I know, not at that point yet19:43
berndhsi'm just doing all the infrastructure19:43
dm8tbrberndhs: IMHO Meego should provide redistributable 'reference' packages, but that's just my opinion19:43
berndhsseems like a reasonable way to do it19:44
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berndhsI will have to do somewhat different theming, but I want to use the same structure19:44
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berndhsor maybe I'll find an artist voulnteer to draw a bunch of icons and backgrounds19:55
* lcuk started to draw in colour properly today :)19:56
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20110731_011052.flower.scr.png19:56
berndhsthose are the filled polygons ?19:57
lcukberndhs, :) yes19:57
berndhsi'm just starting to wonder about the wisdom of avoiding curved lines in graphics19:59
berndhsits basically done to simplify the math, because of computational load concerns19:59
berndhsbut with all these gazillions of tiny tiny polygons, is that really working ?20:00
lcukberndhs, of course20:00
berndhsthe approach comes from work in the early 1980s, perhaps earlier20:01
lcukwhere in graphics avoids curves?20:02
berndhseverything is polygons20:02
berndhsat the bottom layers at least20:02
lcukwell, everything is a stroke20:03
lcuka polygon is a closed stroke :P20:03
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berndhsits done this way because of assumptions about the hardware20:03
berndhsand those assumptions are 30 years old, so I'm not sure they are still valid20:03
lcukpracticality too20:04
berndhssure, practicality as in inertia :)20:04
lcukwould you design a circular lcd, or a rectangular one with some masking?20:04
* lcuk considers circle uis often20:04
lcukuse scaled circles and fill in the gaps with smaller circles20:04
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* lcuk likes that sort of thing :)20:05
SpeedEvillcuk: I have seen an oval LCD - graphical20:05
berndhssure that would work just as well20:05
SpeedEvillcuk: It's a pity that they aren't more common20:05
SpeedEvillcuk: I'd like circular LCDs.20:05
berndhsstraight lines are not natural in physical objects20:05
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.png20:06
* lcuk wants to make each bubble an app20:06
berndhsall right, ux-theme has a measely 2004 .png files20:08
berndhsthis compliance thing is partly so that LF has a veto on who does what, isn't it20:09
dm8tbrit's all about control isn't it?20:10
berndhsmaybe that will be my random quote in the metrics :)20:10
berndhsi dont know if all of it is about control, but some of it certainly20:11
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berndhsits a business aspect20:11
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berndhsmic2 can be frustrating, I say exclude package thusly: "-package"20:18
berndhsand it includes it anyway20:18
CosmoHilllcuk / lbt, what's the name of the company you work for that begins with C20:22
lbtnot me...20:23
lbtCollabra ?20:23
CosmoHillyes20:23
CosmoHillthanks20:23
* lbt is busy making a selection on wormsdirect.co.uk ... the internet is a strange place...20:24
lbtoops,,, no,  www.wormsdirectuk.co.uk20:24
* CosmoHill wonders if he's on the right websiter20:25
SpeedEvilI bought some sourdough the other day.20:25
lbtSpeedEvil: hopefully it didn't have worms....20:25
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SpeedEvilAnd I'm working on a program to do evil things to tesco.20:25
CosmoHillfound it: http://www.collabora.com/, has a second o in it :)20:26
SpeedEvil(If you order an item they're delisting and have reuced the price on it to clear, you can price match on items that are in stock)20:26
CosmoHillbah, only job is in canada20:27
lbtCosmoHill: talk to Robot101 ... ;)20:27
* CosmoHill pokes Robot101 20:27
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CosmoHillI typed in "IT" and it's given me Vehicle Inspector for £8 / hour20:28
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berndhstheir ad is fake, one requirement is "Having previously-worked for our group of companies for a minimum of 1 year"20:29
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berndhsso looks like they already have their guy/girl, just need to advertise the position for technical reasons20:29
CosmoHillberndhs: that sounds just like the last job I applied for20:30
CosmoHillclosing date was friday, short listed gets told on monday20:30
berndhshappens a fair bit, I blame unreasonable regulations20:31
CosmoHillI was told all sorts of things like if I had the interview I should remove my earring (not told by them but people who knew the school)20:32
berndhscompany XYZ wants to transfer someone to another country, regulations say they have to try to hire locals20:32
SpeedEvilOften those sorts of stipulations are not legal.20:34
berndhsimmigration laws are like that20:34
berndhsits nicer if you can see it from the ad, otherwise you would waste time applying :)20:35
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CosmoHill(admin job): Highly computer literate - advanced Outlook as well as experience of using Word, Excel and PowerPoint, as well as Adobe Acrobat20:36
* CosmoHill seems to have taken the convo off topic again, sorry20:37
berndhsits ok, all discussions of relevant computing business ecosystem20:37
CosmoHillto bring it back on topic, Any meego related jobs in south east england? ^.^20:38
alienwoohi guys i'm hiring. I need someone to carry my giant nutsack around...it's giving me back problems. $8/hr...must have strong biceps.20:39
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CosmoHillI think you'd be better off with a trolly20:39
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berndhswhat is the purpose of "Requires: %{name} >= %{version}" ? in a spec/yaml file ?20:55
berndhsseems bogus and circular20:55
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vgradewaits for the knock on the door from the Intel and LF lawyers20:58
arfollvgrade, what have you done now?20:58
vgradearfoll hi20:58
arfollhey20:58
Bostikberndhs: it forces an upgrade, with the flags used in zypper, rpm is happy to install multiple versions of the same package20:58
CosmoHillI'm guessing a MeeGo image with drives for the GMA50020:59
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Bostikor would be, I believe20:59
vgradewell I'm about to redistribute this trimslice image to you and according to the convo earlier thats not allowed20:59
vgradeCosmoHill, EMGD is OK now20:59
CosmoHillthat's the one20:59
arfollvgrade, why not?20:59
vgradehttps://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-theme/blobs/master/COPYING21:00
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arfollvgrade, nice find. although I doubt LF lawyers will go at you with that...21:01
vgradearfoll, not my find, berndhs21:01
arfolleither way you can delete the whole meego-ux-theme pakage from the image and you're gd21:01
vgradeimage uploading now, linky soon21:02
arfollcool21:02
arfollwell hopefully UPS don't miss my flat again21:02
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* arfoll puts the chef hat on21:04
CosmoHillthey won't, it's sunday21:05
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vgradearfoll, btw, xbmc-gles install fails with nothing provides swscale_0_arm.so21:24
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arfollvgrade, yeah i know - been playing with n900 and it21:40
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vgradearfoll, refuses to run on trimslice, demands 24bit21:53
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arfollvgrade, well i guess I got more work ;-)21:58
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vgradeI've been having a look, http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/qt/src/gui/egl/qegl_x11.cpp#31922:06
vgradehttp://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/02/05/qtx11-bring-up-on-tegra2-with-full-opengl-es-2-support/ , mentions22:06
vgradehttps://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-9444, related22:07
vgraderelated example patch, http://sprunge.us/eEBb22:07
vgradenot go roung to building qegl_x11.cpp with that applied22:08
vgradeimage nearly up22:09
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berndhsman uploading the theme takes a long time23:12
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