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| vgrade1 | Alison_Chaiken, :) | 00:48 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | vgrade1, knowing you waited 6 mos for drivers on tegra is supposed to make me take heart? I'm already 49 and can't wait much longer! | 00:52 |
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| berndhs | i hate those screensavers that slowly fade to black, and won't let you stop them | 01:01 |
| berndhs | i can just hear the maniacal laughter | 01:01 |
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| CosmoHill | I hate them too | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, that would be easy | 01:12 |
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| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: write on that looks like the windows 98 installation screen | 01:13 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders what speed of x86 ARM can emulate with the latest mobile cores. | 01:14 | |
| CosmoHill | ARM emulating x86? | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:14 |
| CosmoHill | I'm pretty sure I've seen someone run windows 98 on a sony ericson] | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've seen someone runing OSX on N900 ;-D | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so my question is: which level of emulation is that? | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like a second core, or microcode, or rather like qemu? | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway now this gibberish on #harmattan about x86 binaries under harmattan makes some sense all of a sudden | 01:20 |
| vgrade1 | Alison_Chaiken, I get frustrated as well with the situ sometimes | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops #maemo | 01:21 |
| lcuk | vgrade1, htc flyer. | 01:22 |
| lcuk | is there any real hope of getting meego running well on it? | 01:22 |
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| vgrade1 | lcuk, hi | 01:22 |
| lcuk | hi, apologies for popping random technical q | 01:22 |
| vgrade1 | good to see you in the maemo video | 01:23 |
| * lcuk just pondering | 01:23 | |
| lcuk | heh yeah we had a great time with that | 01:23 |
| rzr | well i have winXP on my n950 : http://rzr.online.fr/q/rdp#more :) | 01:24 |
| vgrade1 | if the flyer had an unlocked bootloader and can flashboot it maybee possible | 01:24 |
| * lcuk has been tinkering with polyfill | 01:24 | |
| lcuk | vgrade1, it has dual format screen | 01:24 |
| lcuk | capacitive + stylus | 01:24 |
| * lcuk drools | 01:24 | |
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| vgrade1 | lcuk, thats got to be something to repeat for MeeGo | 01:25 |
| lcuk | well I am going buying one asap | 01:25 |
| rzr | lcuk: are there some accurates stylus for capacitives ? | 01:25 |
| vgrade1 | yes I've used one, drawing | 01:25 |
| rzr | how accurate is it ? 50 pixels ? | 01:26 |
| vgrade1 | lcuk, I'll have a look around see if there are any Android ROM;s | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | rzr using a capacitive stylus is like using a fat marker pen | 01:26 |
| vgrade1 | if there are then we're good to go | 01:26 |
| lcuk | cool | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | perhaps we could get one on DDP | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | sitting in the garden using my ideapad for reading is one thing | 01:27 |
| rzr | lcuk: so we can forget all menu based desktop apps | 01:27 |
| lcuk | and i still grab my n900 out for notes | 01:27 |
| lcuk | rzr to be fair to capacitive | 01:27 |
| rzr | lcuk: is the acpi working on ideapad ? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | you can write with finger a couple of words on n950 for instance | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | rzr, acpi? | 01:28 |
| rzr | fan | 01:28 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:28 |
| rzr | is still on on mine | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | i disabled it from going to suspend with lid closed | 01:28 |
| lcuk | because I keep opening closing it whilst walking and stuff | 01:28 |
| lcuk | so i wanted device to just remain on | 01:28 |
| lcuk | without the fan working it would get hot | 01:29 |
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| rzr | the hindge looks week i would avoid to open/close it too much | 01:29 |
| lcuk | hinge is quite nice | 01:30 |
| rzr | hinge | 01:30 |
| lcuk | tiny bit looser than I would like at high angles | 01:30 |
| lcuk | when we are playing games on it | 01:30 |
| lcuk | it sometimes flops back when it shouldnt | 01:30 |
| lcuk | viewing angle is odd | 01:30 |
| lcuk | sometimes its ok, othertimes it vanishes | 01:30 |
| rzr | noticed that too | 01:31 |
| rzr | now its ok | 01:31 |
| rzr | but how will it be in 6 months | 01:31 |
| lcuk | there are few movie codecs on it | 01:31 |
| lcuk | so cannot play any media really | 01:31 |
| vgrade1 | rzr, nice rdp screen shot, thats the second thing today I wasn't expectin to see on N950 | 01:31 |
| rzr | those are in a side repo | 01:31 |
| lcuk | where? | 01:31 |
| rzr | vgrade: what was the 1st | 01:31 |
| rzr | lcuk: the nokia migration to windows is over now | 01:32 |
| vgrade1 | sec | 01:32 |
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| vgrade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MzUzdp44hLk | 01:32 |
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| rzr | vgrade: so you should enjoy my works on uae too ;) | 01:34 |
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| vgrade1 | don't know the amiga but did lust after the VIC 20 as it had colour and my acorm atom was only b&w | 01:39 |
| vgrade1 | showing my age there | 01:39 |
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| rzr | vgrade: there is a place for you on the 4 column at : http://rzr.online.fr/q/amiga | 01:40 |
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| vgrade1 | :):):):):) | 01:41 |
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| vgrade1 | rzr, lol is often an overused term but, lol | 01:42 |
| vgrade1 | lcuk, good start, kernel source, http://dl4.htc.com/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/flyer-2.6.35-crc.tar.gz | 01:46 |
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| vgrade1 | lcuk, http://www.momobiles.com/gaining-root-access-on-htc-flyer-using-rooted-custom-rom/ more good news | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | L | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways I wish that companies would get their act together, and make rooting impossible. | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you'll love N9 :-S | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a non-rootable device will cause a split of "ecosystem" | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there'll be enough users interested in h-e-N9 and OC (UGH!) and DRM-free video playback and whatnot, and seems a lot of users aren't shy to flash a new kernel. So in the end too strict locking will effectively cause complete unlocking for a larger number of users | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and my plans ripen to do exactly this scheme for N9 - come up with a powerkernel, as that's what we need most | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd even accept an unbreakable irrecoverable device lock, in a sense of a bios password without you can't boot or reflash | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the MSSF/TC crap is just useless for end user | 02:09 |
| berndhs | gravity is stronger today, or else i'm tired | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The n9 isn't really what I mean. | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: nah, it's evidently nasty gravity today | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the huge scene around android 'ROM's that's completely pointless to anything meaningful. | 02:10 |
| berndhs | must be | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Usually violates copyrights, and ... | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ugh android | 02:11 |
| berndhs | seems similar to the p2p crowd, most of them dont want freedom, they want free music | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | All of the people that might be working on open-source, instead drawn by shiny hardware that they can't contribute to in meaningful ways. | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9 :-P | 02:12 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, that's the vibe I get from N9, except N9 probably wont have the critical mass needed for the unmeaningful contribution ala android :P | 02:16 |
| vgrade1 | SpeedEvil, the reference to Flyer ROMS was a litmus test for a possible MeeGo port | 02:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | vgrade: and yes - porting Meego to various platfoms with antagonistic vendors is cool-but-entirely-missing-the-point. | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Unless it leads to further development of the open architecture. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Hacks to adapt to a closed platform that are reverse engineered and take community time I see as a distraction. | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there are a fair bit of them already - I think they call it anti-vendor-ports | 02:23 |
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| vgrade1 | SpeedEvil, sorry | 02:23 |
| vgrade1 | SpeedEvil, on readback I agree | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | My perspective might be different if I could afford to buy a shiny toy more often than every couple of years. | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: otoh see bme and the time sink it was | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | (perspective) tbh I'm not interested in that | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm extremely conservative regarding my productive technical environments. Get the best, customize extremely to exactly match your needs, keep as long as possible | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm already there with N900, and I really hope I can afford to get some 2..4 spare devices, so I don't need to go thru all the "select best, then learn to customize" hassle for the next maybe 10 years | 02:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah, the time you need to put down on making a device usable costs more than the device itself costs | 03:01 |
| ShadowJK | and many devices have prohibitively high cost ot make usable if you have to crack encryption first :s | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And then your userpool is constrained to those that are willing to crack their devices. | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if you make a nice easy-to-use crack. | 03:04 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:06 |
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| vgrade1 | Termana, morning | 03:11 |
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| berndhs | Termana: still working on that here, will take a few hours | 03:13 |
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| npm | gettin' better every day... http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit_0_0_3_armel.deb | 03:48 |
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| Umeaboy | Can someone guide to a place on how to port MeeGo to my phone? | 04:23 |
| Umeaboy | I want to do tests. | 04:23 |
| Umeaboy | SG SII | 04:23 |
| Umeaboy | I have flashed insecure firmware. | 04:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well... | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | First you need to be able to boot a linux kernel supporting your hardware. | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can do that, you 'just' need to get X (or some other graphics framework) understanding the graphics chip, and the inputs configured properly. | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Then you work on UI - like screen sizes. | 04:27 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 04:27 |
| Umeaboy | Can you guide me step-by-step? | 04:27 |
| lofty306 | heh | 04:28 |
| Umeaboy | I do know that I should do full backup. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Umeaboy: ... | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Umeaboy: This is several dozen to several thousand hours work by someone skilled in the art. | 04:28 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 04:29 |
| Umeaboy | I've got all the time in the world. | 04:29 |
| Umeaboy | And someone has to do the job. | 04:29 |
| Umeaboy | Why not me? | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | First understand the meego boot process. | 04:29 |
| Umeaboy | The bootloader is open so no big risk. | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is pretty much the same as a liux boot process. | 04:29 |
| Umeaboy | I've used it on a laptop so I know a bit. | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it boot linux - the phone? | 04:29 |
| Umeaboy | Yes. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | If so, that's a massive step up. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Though you will likely nee to build your own kernel. | 04:30 |
| Umeaboy | Right. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | The first step I suspect is to get a kernel you can build up and booting on the device. | 04:30 |
| Umeaboy | First...................what to do? | 04:30 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | So you need to find source for the kernel it's running. | 04:31 |
| Umeaboy | Compiling an ARM-kernel shouldn't be to hard. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | And setup a build environment. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | But some people don't release sources | 04:31 |
| Umeaboy | Yes. | 04:31 |
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| Umeaboy | SpeedEvil: https://opensource.samsung.com/ ? | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if that has current kernels. | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | If it does, it's a major step | 04:36 |
| Umeaboy | Click on Mobile ->Mobile Phone. | 04:37 |
| Umeaboy | Then click Mobile Phone (429) in the menu on the left. | 04:38 |
| Umeaboy | Look for GT-I9100 | 04:38 |
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| wmarone | android and "current kernels" are mutually exclusive | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | By current, I mean 'will boot on the phone, and support all the hardware' | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Not actually 3.0 | 04:43 |
| wmarone | ah | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, some vendors tend to release source only 6 or more months after shipping hardware. | 04:44 |
| Umeaboy | SpeedEvil: Can't I just take the latest kernel-code from kernel.org & build a kernel that fits? | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Or not actually bother shipping source at all for some variants | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | No | 04:44 |
| wmarone | SpeedEvil: yeah, they like to sit in violation of the GPL occasionally | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Umeaboy: kernel.org kernels will not boot on most embedded devices. | 04:45 |
| Umeaboy | And they use NDA as an excuse. | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | There are exceptions. But they are rare. | 04:45 |
| Umeaboy | SpeedEvil: There's a compiler for kernel, right? | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | No. GCC or whatever | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | GCC is most supporte | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | d | 04:46 |
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| Umeaboy | gcc is what I compile against with my computer. ;) | 04:50 |
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| BrettQ | anyone in here have issues with the I. i | 06:01 |
| BrettQ | initial charge of the N950? | 06:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~flatbatrecover | 06:04 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 06:04 |
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| BrettQ | N950... | 06:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh | 06:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't read | 06:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Thought I was in another channel | 06:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Removing the battery in that case is more annoying :) | 06:07 |
| BrettQ | Heh, it's OK. | 06:07 |
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| TimmyT | whichi version of meego i have to download to install on my n900? | 06:09 |
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| hatake_kakashi | doesn't those N950 have their own elitist channel/webpage/wiki/website/etc somewhere? Where they splurge in on their egos with owning N950? ;) | 06:23 |
| hatake_kakashi | s/N950 have/N950 owners have/ | 06:24 |
| infobot | hatake_kakashi meant: doesn't those N950 owners have their own elitist channel/webpage/wiki/website/etc somewhere? Where they splurge in on their egos with owning N950? ;) | 06:24 |
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| aliva | I wanted to know is gtk3 avaialbe in meego? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | nt yet | 11:43 |
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| khertan | how did you login to the meego wiki | 11:49 |
| khertan | ? | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | log in and out and in again on meego.com | 11:50 |
| khertan | oh.... thx | 11:51 |
| khertan | does it s required to do it twice ? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | no, you should be able to log in afterwards | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | it's a really odd bug | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | but at least we have single signon unlike maemo.org :P | 11:51 |
| khertan | indeed ... after second logout login it s works ;) | 11:52 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, yeah we have single signon ... but it s works better without on maemo :) | 11:52 |
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| aliva | is gtk3 avaialbe in meego? | 12:03 |
| aliva | I want an screen shot of a gtk3 based program in my presentation | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | aliva: there is some work ongoing to inegrate it for meego 1.3 | 12:05 |
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| aliva | Stskeeps: having Gtk means that without change I can run my program in my phone? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | you can't assume gtk will be there, only qt | 12:10 |
| aliva | Stskeeps: you mean won't be avialbe in phones (only for netbooks?) | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | correct, it's only a platform api, not a meego api | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | so in future gtk might even not be there at all | 12:15 |
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| aliva | Stskeeps: is there any link or something describe these you said? (I found noting) | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | aliva: look for compliance documents | 12:39 |
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| aliva | You mean this? https://meego.com/about/compliance | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance too | 12:46 |
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| aliva | thanks | 12:47 |
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| RST38h | Ok. Any Qt gurus still alive? (not asleep?) | 13:01 |
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| RST38h | Ok. Anyone knows why QMainWindow containing QWidget would not update after I draw a bitmap in that QWidget in paint()? | 13:06 |
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| RST38h | The QWidget stays black. | 13:07 |
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| M4rtinK2 | anyone knows what "excluded" package state in OBS means ? | 13:15 |
| Kaadlajk | excluded: The package build has been disabled in package build description (for example in the .spec file) or does not provide a matching build description for the target. | 13:17 |
| Kaadlajk | those are all explained in monitor tab | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | for example ExclusiveArch: | 13:17 |
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| M4rtinK2 | this is the package: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=espeak&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan | 13:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | hmm, does the COBS Harmattan support spec files ? :) | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | no.. | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | damn :D | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | it's debian packaging | 13:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | oh, so it's like Maemo packagebuilder then ? :) | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 13:32 |
| M4rtinK2 | I secretly hoped I'll just add and configure the package in it would somehow generate packages for all the targets :) | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, well, please shoot the people that thought not adding rpm compatibility for harmattan was a good idea | 13:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | rpms for DE, etc. :) | 13:33 |
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| M4rtinK2 | well, yeah, it quite sucks | 13:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | looksm like I'll have to steal quite a few packages from Debian instead of using the working RPM based ones | 13:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | and of course double-package my stuff | 13:35 |
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| arfoll | seriously is meego obs down again? | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | looks like it | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGo OBS: Open Monday-Friday | 13:50 |
| arfoll | how do they expect people to work like this | 13:50 |
| arfoll | i mean weekend is the nicest time to boostrap | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | meego-releases@ | 13:50 |
| arfoll | I guess we should do an ML post. we need some kind of warning on this | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 13:53 |
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| dm8tbr | PROBLEM build.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Sat Jul 30 10:04:22 UTC 2011 | 13:55 |
| dm8tbr | jftr | 13:55 |
| dm8tbr | arfoll: temporary(!) bot in #meego-dashboard | 13:56 |
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| dm8tbr | it doesn't report everything my icinga sees yet | 13:57 |
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| arfoll | dm8tbr, sorry what's meego-dashboard? | 13:57 |
| arfoll | and if it's temporary why isn't there an ML post with a warning? | 13:58 |
| dm8tbr | arfoll: this is a _private_ thing by me that is not ready yet | 13:59 |
| dm8tbr | arfoll: I got fed up by OBS being down every given weekend and beyond | 13:59 |
| dm8tbr | I should move it to ##meego-dashboard to signify it's non-official | 14:00 |
| dm8tbr | arfoll: once I get notifications sorted like I want to I might make a ml posting | 14:00 |
| arfoll | dm8tbr, sounds like a cool idea | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | graphs! | 14:00 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: send patches :) | 14:01 |
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| * lbt would like someone else to follow up on the thread I started on packaging/it last week. Three weekends in a row. If only mcfrisk was about to complain from an official customer point of view. | 14:06 | |
| arfoll | lbt, what thread was it? | 14:08 |
| * dm8tbr can comment from an informal customer perspective. | 14:08 | |
| dm8tbr | I'm running two internal OBS instances for Tieto | 14:08 |
| lbt | [meego-packaging] Main OBS down (again) | 14:08 |
| arfoll | i figured my post on meego-dev might catch more attention than meego-it | 14:08 |
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| arfoll | lbt, so it's now the 3rd weekend in a row? | 14:10 |
| lbt | yes... replying | 14:10 |
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| * lbt waits to see if dm8tbr and Stskeeps have anything to talk about... | 14:12 | |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: I poked carsten | 14:13 |
| arfoll | it would be nice to show this is a v.important issue on the ML | 14:13 |
| arfoll | lbt, can't believe you got no response after that post last week | 14:13 |
| lbt | arfoll: one nice thing about having so many ml is that any important messages are diluted wonderfully.... | 14:13 |
| lbt | do we mail packaging? dev? it? | 14:14 |
| arfoll | lbt, don't get me started on the ml dilution | 14:14 |
| lbt | maybe we should have a 1 ml per person policy ;) | 14:14 |
| timoph | yeah! | 14:14 |
| arfoll | isn't that called twitter? | 14:14 |
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| lbt | just like any other big organisation ;) | 14:14 |
| lbt | anyhow... work ... bbl8r | 14:15 |
| lcuk | morning chaps \p | 14:15 |
| lcuk | \o | 14:15 |
| timoph | o/ | 14:15 |
| lcuk | do we have a page showing all the meegosphere channels? | 14:15 |
| mcfrisk | lbt, I'm not following mailing lists, sorry. If main obs down, isn't it like bug? | 14:16 |
| lcuk | and can we expand the irc stats to include them | 14:16 |
| lbt | mcfrisk: yeah ... this is the 3rd weekend running | 14:16 |
| arfoll | that would be good, on meego.com the list is incomplete | 14:16 |
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| mcfrisk | lbt: bug 22134, hth | 14:19 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22134 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Main meego obs down | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | lbt who during the week can we contact (and even now) who does have access? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | do we have anyone here in irc to pingle besides you and niels | 14:33 |
| dm8tbr | they don't have access to core obs | 14:33 |
| dm8tbr | they probably also have to kick people | 14:34 |
| lbt | The only people I know are Anas and Adam. Neither are typically on irc very often. They both have root access. | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | wazd, style question, which font are you happiest using? | 14:38 |
| lcuk | Nokia sans, Nokia Pure, droid or other | 14:38 |
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| CosmoHill | In RAID5, do all the drives have to be the same size? | 14:40 |
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| lbt | CosmoHill: no ... but the smallest one drives how much is used | 14:41 |
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| CosmoHill | I was thinking of going for 3 x 1TB and adding 2TB discs when they become cheaper | 14:41 |
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| berndhs | morning | 14:43 |
| lcuk | berndhs, \o | 14:43 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, will that 3x1T give you 3t storage? | 14:44 |
| dm8tbr | no 1T storage | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | it will give me 2TB in RAID 5 | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | sorry, should have said RAID5 | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | hey berndhs and dm8tbr | 14:44 |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: only once you have all disks at 2T | 14:44 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, how much capacity do you have presently? | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | I thought raid 5 was the number of drives - 1 | 14:45 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: it is | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: 500GB ( 2 x 500GB in RAID1) | 14:45 |
| dm8tbr | hmm | 14:46 |
| * lcuk stops asking questions | 14:46 | |
| berndhs | raid5 uses N+1 drives, N for data and 1 for parity | 14:46 |
| berndhs | except that the parity is rotated over all drives | 14:47 |
| dm8tbr | ah, right | 14:47 |
| lcuk | can we use this knowledge to ensure OBS maintains parity across all 7 days of the week? | 14:47 |
| berndhs | only if drive failure was the problem :) | 14:48 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: for a production server I'd favour RAID 6 with mixed drives | 14:48 |
| CosmoHill | my RAID 1 is made up of two drives bought 1 year apart | 14:48 |
| lcuk | for a production server I would favour leaving it up to the experts | 14:49 |
| CosmoHill | not to sure how I converted it from 1 x 500GB to 2 x 500GB in RAID1 | 14:49 |
| * lcuk knows nothing of server stuff | 14:49 | |
| berndhs | for a production server I would use mirrored drives, hang the expense | 14:49 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: me neither but I'm the university's HPC expert :/ | 14:49 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:49 |
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| berndhs | production servers going down cause millions of $$ in lost work hours, and people worry about $500 for some extra drives ? | 14:50 |
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| CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=488544#post488544 | 14:54 |
| CosmoHill | thanks for your help :) | 14:55 |
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| berndhs | raid5 is really intended for larger numbers of drives | 14:59 |
| CosmoHill | the reason behind RAID5 is so I can easily add mroe | 14:59 |
| berndhs | right | 14:59 |
| CosmoHill | kinda funny to think that I can get 6TB for the same price I paid for the 1TB the server current has (un-RAID space) | 15:00 |
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| * lcuk . o O ( I remember when hard disks were considered big when they had n<100 MBs ) | 15:04 | |
| dm8tbr | ##meego-dashboard is now open, don't expect too much as this is a quick and dirty setup. still chances are you'll find out about possible outages in meego and formeego related services | 15:04 |
| the-boss | dm8tbr: Error: "#meego-dashboard" is not a valid command. | 15:04 |
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| CosmoHill | #moo | 15:08 |
| the-boss | CosmoHill: Error: "moo" is not a valid command. | 15:08 |
| arfoll | wow it's back up like magic | 15:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, a hypothosis. i have a cluster of machines connected on the network. listening for a "Say Cheese!" event. | 15:11 |
| lcuk | when this message comes over the network | 15:12 |
| dm8tbr | yep, both api.meego.com and build.meego.com seem back in service http wise | 15:12 |
| lcuk | they should each display a QRCode with their device name and ip address | 15:12 |
| lcuk | then a photo can be taken | 15:12 |
| lcuk | from the first device | 15:12 |
| lcuk | can mbarcode identify all the qrcodes in a single photograph? | 15:13 |
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| Clint | is there mbarcode for harmattan now? | 15:14 |
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| lardman | lcuk: mBarcode not currently, but photoanalyser will allow multiple barcodes per image to be returned | 15:29 |
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| lardman | you may run into resolution and focus issues with multiple barcodes on multiple devices though | 15:32 |
| lardman | might be easier to go with a larger pattern that can be resolved more easily | 15:32 |
| lcuk | lardman, is photoanalyser the app that will evolve from mbarcode? | 15:32 |
| lcuk | lardman, qrcode with limited information (ie low bitcount) will be readable quite easily | 15:32 |
| lcuk | just because you *can* use qrcodes to store book chaptes does not mean you have to | 15:33 |
| lardman | it waits for image files to appear (e.g. from the camera) then runs plugins on the images - currently the only plugin is barcode analysis, but one could add other things like text parsing, etc. | 15:33 |
| lcuk | cool | 15:33 |
| lardman | the idea is then to emit a dbus message from whichever plugins find something, which other apps can handle | 15:33 |
| lardman | mbarcode will evolve into mbarcode-lite, which just waits for the decoded data and will handle the contents as previously | 15:33 |
| lcuk | well on the n9 those identifications could be added to the message wall | 15:33 |
| lardman | yes, cool idea | 15:34 |
| lcuk | lardman, http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_191242._maemo.scr.png ;) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | its been in mind for a while :P | 15:35 |
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| * lardman wonders about the context of that conversation :D | 15:35 | |
| lcuk | lol | 15:36 |
| lcuk | grep logs for it | 15:36 |
| lardman | bit scared to do that ;) | 15:36 |
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| lcuk | lardman, just checking for it now | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-12-01.log.html#t2009-12-01T21:13:20 | 15:38 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:38 |
| lcuk | you and qwerty | 15:38 |
| lardman | :) | 15:39 |
| lardman | the good old days | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | lardman, were they? :P | 15:41 |
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| lardman | well they were old at least ;) | 15:41 |
| lcuk | you are older now | 15:42 |
| lcuk | i tried to get Fin to help me with coding | 15:42 |
| lcuk | but he did not seem to understand C code at all | 15:43 |
| lcuk | just gurgled and wanted his bottle | 15:43 |
| lardman | start 'em young! | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | lardman, eldest is waiting to teach him how to ride bike | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | lardman, how long until yours arrives? | 15:45 |
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| lardman | ~2 weeks until expected splashdown date | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | oooh | 15:50 |
| lcuk | do you have everything ready? | 15:50 |
| lardman | I believe so..... | 15:51 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:51 |
| lardman | other than myself that is! :) | 15:51 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, If I start off with 3 x 1TB, I could had another 1TB and a 2TB, and have 2 x 1TB RAID 0 twice + 1 x 2TB and then combine them to have 3 x 2TB RAID5 | 15:53 |
| arfoll | more complex raid == more problems. KISS | 15:54 |
| CosmoHill | I really should start virtualbox and learn how to do this stuff | 15:55 |
| berndhs | consider the time taken for managing the complex disk array, versus the anticipated downtime | 15:56 |
| berndhs | assuming this is all your personal time, and you will live for approx. 700,000 hours | 15:56 |
| arfoll | berndhs, you either real young or where you live has a real high left expectancy | 15:58 |
| arfoll | s/left/life | 15:58 |
| berndhs | not another 700,000, that's the grand total | 15:58 |
| arfoll | ah ok ;-) | 15:58 |
| berndhs | there is not a moment to lose :) | 15:59 |
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| berndhs | we don't live long, do we | 15:59 |
| arfoll | probably best that way | 15:59 |
| berndhs | if we could stay mid-30s for longer, it would help a lot | 16:00 |
| arfoll | meh, mid 30s? who would want to be THAT old | 16:01 |
| berndhs | ha, you young ones | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure mid-30's was my best time | 16:17 |
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| berndhs | well, mid-30's you've typically made most mistakes once | 16:19 |
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| berndhs | is there any API doc of the Qt Components? there is a list of the Meego-ux-components here http://wiki.meego.com/Components_API_Snapshot | 17:16 |
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| thiago | QTCOMPONENTS-72 in bugreports.qt.nokia.com | 17:25 |
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| berndhs | meego-ux-components does not build a -devel package any longer ? | 17:45 |
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| M4rtinK2 | OBS feels like playing Civilisation | 18:06 |
| * SpeedEvil builds a railway. | 18:07 | |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK2: strangely addictive? | 18:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | you might need debhelper, pottery and ritual burial to build Cairo | 18:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, yes :) | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah, the communism governance model.. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | I find it quite fun to watch how to dependencies connect or new ones are discovered :) | 18:08 |
| CosmoHill | SpeedEvil: openttd? | 18:09 |
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| M4rtinK2 | the COBS status page says that "signer" is dead - is this good, bad or normal ? :) | 18:33 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 18:35 |
| berndhs | well its probably not good | 18:36 |
| berndhs | could be bad and normal though | 18:36 |
| arfoll | i thought cobs didn't sign pkgs so wouldnt surprise me that the signer isn't running... | 18:36 |
| berndhs | i think so too | 18:36 |
| berndhs | it doesnt seem to sign any of my packages | 18:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | also, is it normal that packages take some time to realise that the dependencies they are waiting for have become available ? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes\\ | 18:40 |
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| M4rtinK2 | ok then, so no need to worry :) | 18:41 |
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| nasa01 | Hi, I'm trying to recompile pulseaudio -- I have a VM (gui doesn't work) that I want to compile packages under. But since the gui doesn't start, dbus doesn't start and configure bombs due to it. | 18:41 |
| nasa01 | Any way around that? | 18:41 |
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| thiago | configure bombs because dbus isn't running? | 18:41 |
| nasa01 | yes | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | OBS doesn't have dbus running either.. so something sounds werid | 18:42 |
| dm8tbr | o.O | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | nasa01: please show us the line configure bombs at | 18:42 |
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| nasa01 | Sure, let me bring it up | 18:42 |
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| nasa01 | Stskeeps, I actually misspoke -- I have two errors (No package 'speexdsp' found) and a warning in my config.log file stating "You do not have DBUS support enabled..." (plus a whole paragraph following that about how it should be enabled) | 18:51 |
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| nasa01 | BTW: speexdsp lib is installed. | 18:52 |
| thiago | enabling support != running the daemon | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | maybe you don't have the dependancies? | 18:52 |
| thiago | nasa01: check what config.log says about the detection of that lib | 18:52 |
| thiago | it is telling you that it isn't installed because the checking failed | 18:52 |
| thiago | either some files are missing (did you remember to install the -devel package?) or the compilation failed for some reason | 18:52 |
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| nasa01 | there is no speexdsp program/lib in the repos (from download.meego.com) and I have all the speex files installed | 18:54 |
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| thiago | what does config.log say about the detection? | 18:55 |
| nasa01 | and libspeexdsp.so.1 is installed at /usr/lib/libspeexdsp.so.1 | 18:55 |
| thiago | and config.log? | 18:55 |
| nasa01 | grepping it right now | 18:56 |
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| thiago | open it in less, search for the same line that it output in the console telling you that the package wasn't found | 18:56 |
| thiago | the look around it (above and below) for the test that failed | 18:56 |
| nasa01 | Package speexdsp was not found in the pkg-config search path. | 18:57 |
| nasa01 | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `speexdsp.pc' | 18:58 |
| thiago | there you go | 18:58 |
| thiago | where's that file? | 18:58 |
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| nasa01 | I googled for speexdsp and I searched the repos for it -- but I didn't see a package that provided that | 18:59 |
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| zrz | hi from my hammac | 19:00 |
| nasa01 | Given that it had to be compiled before -- I figured I must have missed some other error (which led to looking at DBUS) | 19:00 |
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| thiago | nasa01: speexdsp might provide an .in file that is generated when installing | 19:01 |
| thiago | nasa01: anyway, pulseaudio seems to require that file | 19:01 |
| thiago | nasa01: so you have two options: 1) provide that file so PA is satisfied; 2) modify PA's configure so the file isn't necessray | 19:02 |
| nasa01 | thiago, I'm looking at option 1... | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | thunder | 19:14 |
| lcuk | thunder | 19:14 |
| lcuk | thundercats | 19:14 |
| lcuk | Hoooooooooooooooooooo | 19:14 |
| lcuk | http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-tv/thundercats-roar-back-life-cartoon-network-200914556.html | 19:14 |
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| thiago | :-) | 19:14 |
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| thiago | are you using the Eye of Thundera? | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | thiago, :D not sure did not actually read details of the article lol | 19:15 |
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| nasa01 | thiago, I figured out that speexdsp problem... I hadn't updated the repo files to point to the right directories and thus wasn't picking up the right versions. | 20:08 |
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| brettq | has anyone else had issues getting their N950 to charge out of the box? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | nop, works for me with n900 charger | 20:29 |
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| brettq | crazy...i'm using the one from the E7 and it won't charge | 20:29 |
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| brettq | and i can't get OCF to recognize it either | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, what is keeping you busy today? | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: SPARQL as usual | 20:33 |
| * lcuk i saw somethingo n slashdot earlier about NoQL collaboration between couchdb and sqlite guys | 20:33 | |
| lcuk | which might be of interest | 20:33 |
| * lcuk gets a linky | 20:34 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, saw it earlier | 20:34 |
| lcuk | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/07/30/058232/Unified-NoSQL-Query-Language-Launched | 20:34 |
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| nasa01 | So, still trying to compile pulseaudio... (I assume it compiles as it packaged in the repo). But I'm having a number of the included patches fail. Should I expect the included patches to patch cleanly? | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | nasa01, i was compiling the omap sgx driver and could not get the patches to merge | 20:56 |
| lcuk | using rpmbuild | 20:56 |
| * nasa01 suddenly doesn't feel alone... | 20:57 | |
| lcuk | nasa01, frustrated me so much I dived into a complex math problem to clear my head | 20:57 |
| nasa01 | lol | 20:57 |
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| CosmoHill | "I was so pissed I had to calculate pi" | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, polyfill scanline algorithm | 20:59 |
| lcuk | testcase polygon has 70 edges :P | 20:59 |
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| berndhs | yeah and if its concave its even worse | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, concave and overlapping even | 21:13 |
| lcuk | i am just applying another variation after reading more | 21:13 |
| * lcuk been frustrated by polyfill for a long time | 21:13 | |
| berndhs | concave? decompose into traingles :) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | t does not help that I am also cutting down on smoking | 21:13 |
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| berndhs | but honestly I dont remember how fill is done, been a long time | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | berndhs yeah same here | 21:15 |
| berndhs | and I lost The Book some years ago :( | 21:16 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I have some packages stuck in unresolvable (even though the missing dependency is already present) for about 3-4 hours now | 21:56 |
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| M4rtinK2 | is this still normal or should I start to worry ? :) | 21:56 |
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| berndhs | you may want to check why it thinks its unresolvable | 21:58 |
| berndhs | did you add the things that resolved it after it complained ? | 21:58 |
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| M4rtinK2 | yep | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK2 | dpkg wants dpkg because debhelper wants it :) | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK2 | and debhelper is already built | 22:02 |
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| berndhs | well it says dpkg needs dpks-dev, that looks kinda circular | 22:03 |
| berndhs | dpkg <- dpkg-dev | 22:03 |
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| berndhs | I have seen the other day that some standard packages had circular-looking dependencies | 22:05 |
| berndhs | you could update that set of packages, but not create the set the first time | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | btw, shouldn't be dpkg already present in the target ? | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | I'll try to remove it, maybe something happens :) | 22:08 |
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| berndhs | no idea about what the standard builder config provides | 22:08 |
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| berndhs | another thing is that apparently debhelper doesn't neet dpkg-dev to be built, just to run | 22:13 |
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| M4rtinK2 | will disabling build & publishing make a package "invisible" to the others ? | 22:16 |
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| M4rtinK2 | berndhs: well, I would actually expect such packages would be available on a target producing Debian packages :) | 22:19 |
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| M4rtinK2 | so I nuked debhelper, lets see what it does :) | 22:24 |
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| berndhs | they may be available, but the package still has to say it needs them | 22:26 |
| * maour finnaly gots his WeTab. YoooHoooo | 22:27 | |
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| TSCHAKeee | is anyone testing a Motion Computing CL900 ? | 22:36 |
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| arfoll | is it normal that https://api.meego.com/public now asks for a password? | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | not really | 23:11 |
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| arfoll | i just wanted to know wether i was a little crazy or not... | 23:12 |
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| Stskeeps | well, does your obs linnks fail? | 23:13 |
| arfoll | still looks like it works | 23:16 |
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| arfoll | my OBS is still telling me that "setup of repository is broken" | 23:17 |
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| * lcuk does a little shake | 23:18 | |
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| arfoll | I think i'm getting what X-Fade explained was caching of the request. but I dont know how to clear that cache | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | check the scheduler log\ | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:21 |
| arfoll | i did i get 400 bad requests from the link | 23:22 |
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| arfoll | i get this : http://pastebin.com/SutFddw8 | 23:25 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Could someone help me with a simple package version update on c-obs ? I am not that aware of rpm packaging. | 23:29 |
| djszapi | I can help with one Harmattan package back, if needed :p | 23:29 |
| arfoll | djszapi, whats your problem? | 23:30 |
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| djszapi | arfoll: well, we have a new version dependency in our project, and I have done the bump on Friday for Harmattan, but I have zero clue about rpm packaging :) https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=alure&project=home%3Asandst1 -> This should be increased from 1.1 to 1.2 | 23:31 |
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| djszapi | and it has 3 new examples that should be installed. No eliminated or new dependency, everything else is the same | 23:32 |
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| arfoll | djszapi, well update the tarball to the 1.2 and change the version to 1.2 in the yaml file, update with 'specify' and you're done | 23:33 |
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| djszapi | well, not accidentally, why I asked for help | 23:33 |
| * CosmoHill looks at apple and wonder if apple realise that when people pay £525 for an entry level computer they'd expect a keyboard, mouse and monitor | 23:34 | |
| djszapi | if someonecan do it it is fine.... | 23:34 |
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| djszapi | I will not start learning rpm to any extent.. | 23:34 |
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| arfoll | djszapi, that's not asking for help | 23:36 |
| djszapi | forget it... | 23:36 |
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| CosmoHill | holy shit they have goten ride of hte optical drive | 23:38 |
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| djszapi | what I never understand is that why people cannot be silent, if they cannot help ? | 23:39 |
| arfoll | djszapi, help is for someone who wants to learn. you want someone to just do something for you. | 23:40 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> beers all round | 23:40 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> i solved my math problem | 23:40 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> with logic | 23:40 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, thats to make sure you have to buy videos from their store ;-) | 23:40 |
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| CosmoHill | it's £1575 with keyboard, monitor, mouse and optical drive | 23:41 |
| djszapi | arfoll: it is a help for us, not sure what your point is... If I cannot help, I do not answer, period. | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | they also want £40 for a thunderbolt cable | 23:41 |
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| arfoll | djszapi, sorry for trying to help you by explaining how to it... | 23:42 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, yeah but it has an apple on it ;-) | 23:42 |
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| CosmoHill | oh well done apple | 23:43 |
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| djszapi | arfoll: please do not make it worse. | 23:43 |
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| CosmoHill | evil evil apple | 23:44 |
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| CosmoHill | 2009 monitor - DVI, 2010 monitor - mini display-port, 2011 monitor - thunderbolt | 23:45 |
| CosmoHill | 2.1 50W speakers and ethernet port, impressive if odd | 23:46 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: do you have a little crocodile on your T-shirts or "CK" on your boxers? | 23:50 |
| lbt | if not, then you won't "get" why people buy apple :) | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: not yet | 23:51 |
| special | CosmoHill: thunderbolt and mini-displayport are the same connector. | 23:51 |
| special | you can use the thunderbolt display on anything that supports m-dp | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | oh really? they compatable | 23:51 |
| special | you can't chain devices unless both ends support thunderbolt, of course | 23:52 |
| special | and for what it's worth, the apple display is no more expensive than it needs to be :p | 23:54 |
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| special | you won't find any IPS, LED displays, especially not of that size, cheaper than $1000 | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: on a side note I know a kid sponsored by mckenzie (his dad too) | 23:54 |
| arfoll | lbt, google told me you've had this 400 bad request problem on c.obs before, any ideas? | 23:55 |
| lbt | arfoll: getting it now ? | 23:55 |
| arfoll | lbt, well on my OBS server yes :-( | 23:56 |
| arfoll | after meego.com my link works but the scheduler doesnt seem to have ralised that yet | 23:56 |
| arfoll | s/scheduler/watcher | 23:56 |
| lbt | ah... you need to restart the schedulers | 23:56 |
| lbt | it caches the meego,com remote failure | 23:57 |
| arfoll | i've done that, but error hasnt gone away | 23:57 |
| lbt | mmm you used shutdown... waited for proper exit and not running? | 23:57 |
| lbt | and then start? | 23:57 |
| arfoll | i did a full reboot of the box... | 23:58 |
| lbt | mmm | 23:58 |
| lbt | where are the errors? | 23:59 |
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