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| Reffy | What's up, guys | 00:51 |
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| Reffy | Is anyone able to get the Facebook option while using ShareUI? | 00:52 |
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| rm_work | FatalSaint: ah hey | 00:55 |
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| antman8969 | lbt, you got a sec? | 01:03 |
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| lbt | antman8969: v. qiuck | 01:06 |
| antman8969 | if you're familiar with the invoker application for launching apps (probably..) | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | I've built my application on the harmattan obs | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | but it seems the MDeclarativeCache class can't be found | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | despite listing applauncherd-dev as a depends | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | so I couldn't build with the cache to launch with invoker | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | known issue or something on my part | 01:08 |
| lbt | no, sorry, I'm not familiar | 01:08 |
| antman8969 | lame, well i guess tldr is it seems to be slightly mis configured... | 01:08 |
| lbt | where's your git repo and package though? | 01:08 |
| antman8969 | home:antman8969:harmattan qtweather | 01:09 |
| antman8969 | not git | 01:09 |
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| antman8969 | the version on there obviously doesn't have include the mdeclarativecache | 01:11 |
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| antman8969 | http://code.google.com/p/qtweather/source/browse/#svn%2Fbranches%2Fharmattan | 01:11 |
| lbt | svn .... hmmm ... seem to recall coming across that ... seems like decades ago | 01:12 |
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| antman8969 | needless to say, it builds in scratcbox / creator just fine | 01:14 |
| antman8969 | well | 01:14 |
| antman8969 | the more recent MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan creator target | 01:14 |
| lcuk | lbt, svn was once used to maintain source code on clay tablets | 01:14 |
| rm_work | <_< am i the only one who doesn't like git? :/ | 01:15 |
| rm_work | I am far more comfortable with the way svn behaves | 01:15 |
| antman8969 | not to mention | 01:15 |
| antman8969 | osc is very svn like :) | 01:15 |
| lbt | antman8969: I'm not the right person ... but I'll see if I can look at it tomorrow | 01:15 |
| lbt | lcuk: :) | 01:16 |
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| antman8969 | alright. Is there someone I should bring it up to? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | antman8969, just discuss it tomorrow whilst people are awake | 01:16 |
| antman8969 | lol ok | 01:16 |
| antman8969 | usa here | 01:16 |
| lbt | I do wish we didn't have #harmattan too | 01:16 |
| lcuk | in a room of 400 people there must be more than one with the answer | 01:17 |
| antman8969 | for this issue? | 01:17 |
| antman8969 | out of our hands lol | 01:17 |
| lcuk | any issue | 01:17 |
| rm_work | lbt: yeah i wasn't a huge fan at first, but i feel otherwise the spam factor would be HUGE in here or in #maemo for the harmattan talk | 01:17 |
| antman8969 | well, I'm guessing the target needs to be changed in some way, not my package | 01:17 |
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| antman8969 | honestly, these #meegoites need to talk a little more, it's dead in here! | 01:18 |
| lcuk | you are asking the wrong questions | 01:19 |
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| rm_work | i mean, would you WANT this channel spammed by people talking about harmattan all the time? | 01:19 |
| lcuk | i once tried to ask about windows phone and plenty of people woke | 01:19 |
| rm_work | and having to start each conversation with "this is about <distro X> by the way" | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | rm_work, | 01:19 |
| lcuk | that happens anyway | 01:19 |
| rm_work | lol | 01:19 |
| lcuk | "netbook or tablet or handset?" | 01:20 |
| rm_work | in #harmattan I safely assume we're talking about harmattan | 01:20 |
| rm_work | here... eh | 01:20 |
| lcuk | meego is already diverse | 01:20 |
| antman8969 | that actually brings up a question I had | 01:20 |
| rm_work | then i guess it would just be people talking about harmattan always assuming everyone is talking about harmattan and confusing everyone :P | 01:20 |
| lcuk | rm_work, time to start diluting harmattan then :P | 01:20 |
| antman8969 | actually no i doesnt | 01:20 |
| rm_work | lol antman8969 | 01:20 |
| antman8969 | rm_work why the name change? | 01:21 |
| rm_work | i'm at work :P | 01:21 |
| rm_work | soon i'll be at home | 01:21 |
| antman8969 | lol so what does the "you" represent? | 01:21 |
| rm_work | you :P | 01:21 |
| antman8969 | nice | 01:21 |
| rm_work | lol | 01:21 |
| rm_work | that's my normal nick | 01:21 |
| rm_work | i modify it based on things | 01:21 |
| * lcuk soiled harmattan | 01:21 | |
| rm_work | lol lcuk | 01:21 |
| lcuk | i mentioned symbian | 01:21 |
| rm_work | you soil a lot of things :P | 01:21 |
| antman8969 | haha | 01:21 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:22 |
| * lcuk speaks his mind | 01:22 | |
| rm_work | lcuk: what's the next conference? | 01:22 |
| lcuk | idk | 01:22 |
| rm_work | looking forward to having *a* beer with everyone again :P | 01:22 |
| rm_work | it's been a while | 01:22 |
| lcuk | i suppose it would be when the throng of conversation around meego warms up :P | 01:22 |
| rm_work | and i don't remember a couple of them | 01:23 |
| rm_work | T_T | 01:23 |
| rm_work | lcuk: did you come to the meego conf in SF? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | bbno | 01:23 |
| lcuk | tracy was very heavily pregnant | 01:23 |
| rm_work | ah | 01:23 |
| lcuk | and she said "you cannot go past newyork unless you bring me" | 01:23 |
| rm_work | you're due for a USA conference then :P | 01:23 |
| lcuk | I will come over as long as I can afford to bring the family | 01:24 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: new uxlaunch version while you're at it... | 01:28 |
| auke | Stskeeps: big change in how we start up autostart stuff btw | 01:28 |
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| FatalSaint | sup rm_work | 01:59 |
| FatalSaint | or rm_you for that matter | 02:00 |
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| rm_you | FatalSaint: hey | 02:33 |
| rm_you | got redirected to the kitchen for cooking when i got home :P | 02:33 |
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| auke | haha | 02:35 |
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| rm_you | my computer chair was a 307 code >_> | 02:37 |
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| Chrissi | hello room | 02:50 |
| realsportcars | hello Chrissi | 02:50 |
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| Chrissi | do u think Nokia will produce another celly with Meego or will it be the one and only cellphone ? | 02:51 |
| realsportcars | ahahaha | 02:52 |
| realsportcars | Nokia is crazy, and also people that develop on meego :P | 02:52 |
| Chrissi | silly question ? | 02:52 |
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| auke | Chrissi: wrong place to ask. only Nokia can answer that | 02:53 |
| realsportcars | perhaps yes,perhaps not...why this question? | 02:53 |
| auke | Chrissi: if you want specilation, please ask in #meego-bar instead | 02:53 |
| auke | *speculation | 02:53 |
| Chrissi | kk | 02:54 |
| Chrissi | so do u develop applications for MeeGo? | 02:54 |
| realsportcars | I'm trying | 02:54 |
| realsportcars | but it is hard | 02:55 |
| realsportcars | more than maemo | 02:55 |
| Chrissi | i see | 02:55 |
| Chrissi | but its all linux derivates ? | 02:55 |
| realsportcars | yes but...this doens't mean so much | 02:56 |
| Chrissi | i am no software engineer, sorry if i ask some stupid questions | 02:56 |
| * CosmoHill is whatever title he wants | 02:57 | |
| Chrissi | i am not sure if i should bye that new Nokia phone and would love to know if there is a big enough community who will provide us with applications, and if there is a future for MeeGo | 02:57 |
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| Chrissi | buy* | 02:58 |
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| realsportcars | Chrissi, I don't know that. community is not big like maemo one atm and I think that a good amount of apps will be selled in ovi | 02:59 |
| realsportcars | IMO | 02:59 |
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| Chrissi | do u think it is possible to jailbreak later phone 7 Nokias and install MeeGo instead ? | 03:01 |
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| realsportcars | boh! | 03:03 |
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| Chrissi | kk i see i am asking to many stupid questions | 03:06 |
| Chrissi | sorry for bothering u | 03:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | Chrissi: in short, no. | 03:07 |
| Chrissi | see ya later | 03:07 |
| realsportcars | not stupid but without an answer | 03:07 |
| realsportcars | no problem...I'm only a bit tired after a day looking for something taaht doenst exists | 03:08 |
| Chrissi | its ok | 03:08 |
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| Chrissi | sometimes i can be a "asking stupid questions" person | 03:08 |
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| realsportcars | eheh no problem :) | 03:09 |
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| FatalSaint | rm_you what was for dinner/lunch/breakfast? :) | 03:22 |
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| rm_you | enchiladas :) | 03:28 |
| rm_you | which I just finished eating | 03:28 |
| rm_you | so... back to coding | 03:28 |
| berndhs | hey I made the top 5 in IRC verbosity in June | 03:28 |
| rm_you | just stole the MPlayerBackendd from mediabox and i'm going on a commenting spree, ripping out stuff left and right that's not necessary | 03:29 |
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| rm_you | FatalSaint: awesome, segfault T_T | 03:33 |
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| rm_you | FatalSaint: any luck? | 03:46 |
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| FatalSaint | rm_you | 03:51 |
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| FatalSaint | still segfaulting with gst | 03:51 |
| rm_you | hwy | 03:51 |
| FatalSaint | I will package it up now | 03:51 |
| rm_you | hey | 03:51 |
| rm_you | still segfaulting with mplayer :/ | 03:51 |
| rm_you | with the one from mediabox | 03:51 |
| FatalSaint | i coded in the Mplayer peice but haven't tested it | 03:51 |
| rm_you | yeah i clipped out a lot of it | 03:51 |
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| rm_you | but it is still segfaulting :/ | 03:52 |
| rm_you | not sure what's triggering that | 03:52 |
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| FatalSaint | http://www.linuxniche.net/pyradio_src_meego.tar.bz2 | 03:54 |
| CosmoHill | night ngiht | 03:54 |
| FatalSaint | I had a *ton* of problems using gobject and gst within a QT app | 03:54 |
| FatalSaint | they don't like each other | 03:54 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 03:54 |
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| rm_you | you sure GST is recommended and not QMAFW? | 03:55 |
| FatalSaint | MAFW is closed and not included in MeeGo. I do not know if MAFW made a come back in Harmattan as I don't have one :) | 03:55 |
| FatalSaint | if MAFW is in there then did you try the MAFW backend that the N900 uses? | 03:55 |
| FatalSaint | by default the old code would have loaded OSSO unless you changed the if statement | 03:55 |
| FatalSaint | now I've modified that to load mplayer by default so you could mess with it | 03:56 |
| rm_you | yeah | 03:56 |
| rm_you | i modified it so it would detect N950 and use MAFW | 03:57 |
| rm_you | and i compiled the fremantle mafw source against harmattan and installed it | 03:57 |
| rm_you | but it segfaults when it tries | 03:57 |
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| FatalSaint | i need to google gst/gobject and qt4 again | 03:59 |
| FatalSaint | there was some stuff I had to add that made it play nice.. like gobject.thread_init() or something | 03:59 |
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| FatalSaint | yup | 04:02 |
| FatalSaint | that stopped the segfaulting | 04:03 |
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| FatalSaint | bah.. nvm | 04:03 |
| rm_you | T_T | 04:03 |
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| rm_you | it may be segfaulting in mplayer due to bad links somehow... | 04:04 |
| rm_you | not sure how that | 04:04 |
| rm_you | is possible | 04:04 |
| rm_you | but even with just console mplayer i can't run the links it is making | 04:04 |
| FatalSaint | the audio-sv5 ? | 04:05 |
| FatalSaint | the links are good.. i can play them on my computer | 04:05 |
| rm_you | me too but not mplayer | 04:05 |
| FatalSaint | well you have to replace all &'s with \& | 04:06 |
| rm_you | but if i switch it back to my other mplayerbackend, it works | 04:06 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | or the command line will think the &'s are background process | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | i just ran mplayer http://yada from the command line | 04:06 |
| rm_you | just quotes | 04:06 |
| rm_you | yes | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | I'm listening to shitty brittany spears (daughters station..) | 04:06 |
| rm_you | it's STRANGE | 04:06 |
| rm_you | if i swap back my own mplayerbackend, it prints the URI, and i copy/paste it straight to console mplayer, and it works | 04:07 |
| rm_you | dom | 04:07 |
| FatalSaint | im telling you the problem is the use of GTK stuff inside a QT4 app | 04:07 |
| rm_you | *don't see any difference in the links | 04:07 |
| rm_you | well yes | 04:07 |
| FatalSaint | I had this problem before.. at least with gstreamer but I noticed the Mplayer backend also includes gobject | 04:07 |
| rm_you | but i already stripped MOST of that... | 04:07 |
| rm_you | yeah had to leave gobject, but mine has that too | 04:07 |
| FatalSaint | so did my old one | 04:07 |
| FatalSaint | there was a combination of like 3 lines that made it finally work | 04:08 |
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| FatalSaint | hold.. let me find a super old pyradio | 04:08 |
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| rm_you | i know what you're talking about | 04:09 |
| rm_you | loop - gobject.MainLoop(); gobject.threads_init() | 04:09 |
| rm_you | *loop = | 04:09 |
| FatalSaint | yes but in my case it also mattered where I put it | 04:10 |
| rm_you | ah yeah got it | 04:11 |
| rm_you | ok | 04:11 |
| rm_you | so it runs now | 04:11 |
| FatalSaint | that was always sooo ugly to me | 04:12 |
| rm_you | failing to properly get the time | 04:12 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:12 |
| rm_you | it is pretty gross | 04:12 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:12 |
| rm_you | not getting time properly | 04:12 |
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| rm_you | why... | 04:12 |
| rm_you | strange | 04:12 |
| FatalSaint | which one you using, yours or mediabox? | 04:13 |
| rm_you | mediabox now | 04:14 |
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| FatalSaint | i also had context = loop.get_context() in mine | 04:14 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:15 |
| rm_you | i was too lazy to type it | 04:15 |
| rm_you | :P | 04:15 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 04:15 |
| rm_you | but yeah adding those in the INIT right before the super() call fixed that | 04:15 |
| rm_you | i don't know how to replace gtk.MainLoop | 04:15 |
| rm_you | so i switched those to "pass", which just makes the UI laggy as @&*$ | 04:15 |
| FatalSaint | I never found a way | 04:15 |
| rm_you | well | 04:16 |
| rm_you | in my own mplayerbackend, i was using threading | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | MediaBox was a GTK app | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | but apparently he's working a QML port | 04:16 |
| rm_you | yeah | 04:16 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | mine is still seg faulting | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | damn | 04:16 |
| rm_you | wonder if we can get in on the beta :P | 04:16 |
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| FatalSaint | which super() call you talking about? And we should probably be in #meego-arm or PM's.. | 04:17 |
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| arfoll | ping X-Fade | 11:06 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: pong | 11:07 |
| arfoll | hey, if you have a minutes I wouldnt mind asking you a few OBS questions | 11:07 |
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| arfoll | basically I'd like to know wether you'd recommend using virtual servers for OBS if I only have one machine | 11:08 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: Are you going to allow other untrusted users/sources on it? | 11:10 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, no it's going to be closed | 11:11 |
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| arfoll | and reasonably trustworthy users | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: As builds run as root and they can mess up your system :) | 11:11 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, it'll mostly be me building for now so i'm not too worried | 11:12 |
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| bonbinker | wake up system | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: Well then on one system is probably a bit faster. But once you want to scale it up, it is easier to have it in multiple vms. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: And then the transition is harder when it is all on one system. | 11:14 |
| bonbinker | go off work | 11:14 |
| bonbinker | byby | 11:14 |
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| bonbinker | see you tomorrow | 11:14 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade: so really it's just for scaling? I'll skip it for now then | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: and security. | 11:15 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade: also are meego still on 2.1.6 like the wiki says and is it any problem for me to be on 2.1.9 (latest stable i gather) | 11:18 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: I haven't looked at that lately. | 11:18 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: for cobs we went to the latest in 2.1. | 11:19 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade: I'll do that as well then. cheers | 11:20 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: always a fun thing to do :) | 11:24 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, not in Malta where no one stocks decent CPUs | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: UPS delivers there too no? | 11:25 |
| arfoll | X-Fade: yeah but scan malta have told us they'd have the CPU by monday and it's wednesday. Apparently they're still unpacking the shipment | 11:26 |
| arfoll | only in malta... | 11:26 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: Nobody is in a hurry in the southern countries, you must know that by now :D | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | If not today, then maybe tomorrow. | 11:27 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, that's definately true. down south coffee breaks count as work ;-) | 11:28 |
| X-Fade | Hmm billable coffee hours, me likes... | 11:29 |
| arfoll | nothing quite like it... but the best is playing with a boat at work ;-) http://marssa.org/index.php/news/43-floating-boaters | 11:30 |
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| arfoll | we were driving it from the exopc on monday | 11:32 |
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| slaine | We've a pretty old installation in Malta arfoll, trying to get them to upgrade atm | 11:34 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: Hehe, cool stuff. | 11:35 |
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| huge_ | Someone has a working kickstart to build meego img for pandaboard? | 12:03 |
| huge_ | i'wasn't able to done with mic succesfully | 12:04 |
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| vvaltone | huge_, http://sagestechblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/creating-bootable-pandaboard-meego.html ? | 12:06 |
| vvaltone | oh, that's missing it | 12:08 |
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| huge_ | vvaltone ... i was trying it | 12:16 |
| huge_ | but is necessary to update repo | 12:16 |
| huge_ | and with repo that i was trying to use mic fail | 12:16 |
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| huge_ | however ... someone can provide me another working ( updated ) kickstart for any arm architecture ... becouse i want be sure that is not a mic problem | 12:18 |
| vvaltone | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/OMAP4_Panda | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | huge_: check the n900 ones | 12:18 |
| huge_ | to old vvaltone | 12:18 |
| vvaltone | not sure why you'd want to run it on a panda tho :P | 12:19 |
| vvaltone | netbooks are easier | 12:19 |
| huge_ | becouse i've pandaboard :) | 12:19 |
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| huge_ | Stskeeps ... handset for n900 is not updated | 12:20 |
| huge_ | this repo doesn't exist anymore http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/@BUILD_ID@/repos/oss/armv7hl/packages/ | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | huge_: that's 1.3, we're working on the low levels of that for ARM still | 12:21 |
| siddvicious | oh btw will i be able to send/receive calls and sms ? | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | siddvicious: yes | 12:21 |
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| siddvicious | Stskeeps: i should try meego 1,2 or 1.3 ? | 12:22 |
| vvaltone | huge_, testing isn't good enough? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | just grab the CE summer release | 12:22 |
| siddvicious | Stskeeps: and what you reccomend on mmc or directly on n900 ? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | mmc | 12:23 |
| huge_ | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ does not contain armv7hl platform | 12:23 |
| huge_ | so witch repo to use?? | 12:24 |
| huge_ | for arm platforms?? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | huge_: use 1.2 release | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | trunk is 1.3 and is broken at the moment | 12:24 |
| vvaltone | testing isn't too bad on the N900 either | 12:25 |
| huge_ | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/latest/repos/oss/armv7hl/ ... this one?? | 12:26 |
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| huge_ | can be? | 12:26 |
| vvaltone | that's testing | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/latest/images/meego-handset-armv7hl-n900/ | 12:27 |
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| huge_ | http://pastebin.com/9N9Wx8cG | 12:57 |
| huge_ | Error: Failed to run mic inside bootstrap environment. Return code: -4 | 12:57 |
| huge_ | i'm flithing with this error | 12:57 |
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| huge_ | i took handset from here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/latest/images/meego-handset-armv7hl-n900/ | 12:58 |
| huge_ | what's this Return code -4??? :( | 12:58 |
| huge_ | please help help | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | means interrupted system call | 12:58 |
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| huge_ | it is an exception from mic | 13:01 |
| huge_ | i'm watching into the code | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | what does /usr/bin/qemu-arm* say? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | er, ls | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | er, ls /usr/bin/qemu-arm* | 13:02 |
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| huge_ | ls /usr/bin/qemu-ar* /usr/bin/qemu-armeb-static /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | and mic-image-creator --version? | 13:04 |
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| huge_ | mic version 0.24.12 | 13:05 |
| huge_ | are you thinking about qemu-arm problem?? | 13:08 |
| huge_ | or what can be ? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | uname -a | 13:08 |
| huge_ | is possible that noone had this error ... :( | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | something like that is always possible :P | 13:09 |
| huge_ | Linux fabio 2.6.32-33-generic #70-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 7 21:09:46 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | and cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ssse3 | 13:09 |
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| huge_ | empty | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | that might be a reason | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | the x86 of meego is built for atom and ssse3 | 13:10 |
| huge_ | so i need a ssse3 processor to be able to build an image??? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | it is doing bootstrap mode, ie, it unpacks the meego x86 | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, i agree it's crazy and i don't like that decision either | 13:12 |
| huge_ | i'm going to buy a new pc ... | 13:13 |
| huge_ | :) | 13:13 |
| huge_ | is there some trick for non ssse3 processor?? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | mmmmm. maybe fedora install and editing rpm configs to add armv7hl definitions | 13:14 |
| vvaltone | does qemu support ssse3? | 13:14 |
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| huge_ | so what to do??? 1) Fedora 2) if not work ... New PC??? | 13:16 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 13:19 |
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| lcuk | timoph, is your app repository building for both handset/n900 and tablet? | 13:25 |
| timoph | for some packages yes | 13:26 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/Development_repos | 13:26 |
| lcuk | your repository is not listed on here | 13:26 |
| timoph | yep. for a reason :) | 13:26 |
| lcuk | it seems to be obs/deb repos | 13:27 |
| lcuk | is that why? | 13:27 |
| timoph | I don't have any useful stuff for harmattan yet | 13:27 |
| timoph | 1 broken package :) | 13:27 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 13:27 |
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| timoph | I need to do some coding before building packages | 13:28 |
| lcuk | this packaging lark is frustrating to many people | 13:28 |
| timoph | yep | 13:28 |
| timoph | I can understand them | 13:28 |
| * lcuk nods | 13:28 | |
| * timoph has been fighting with ots packaging the whole day :/ | 13:28 | |
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| timoph | :) | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | speaking of alien, does it feasibly work for most packages? | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | http://www.kabatology.com/03/15/how-to-convert-rpm-files-to-deb-files-with-alien/ | 13:31 |
| vvaltone | depends on how complex the setup scripts are, and if the paths match | 13:32 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, what are yoworking on? | 13:32 |
| lcuk | yeah vvaltone | 13:32 |
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| vvaltone | usb gadget stuff | 13:33 |
| lcuk | on the handset? | 13:33 |
| vvaltone | on n900 atm, because I'm missing some hardware | 13:33 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, host mode usb is not a default on the n900 at least around maemo, are you modifying kernel to try and get it in? | 13:34 |
| vvaltone | no.. usb gadgets are slaves | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, ah didn't know | 13:36 |
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| x29a | hey there folks. quick question: is meego on the n900 stable for qt development? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say so | 14:39 |
| * timoph agrees | 14:39 | |
| Stskeeps | a lot of youtube video out there using it for interesting experiments | 14:39 |
| x29a | im having trouble with the scratchbox/qtsdk, so i thought why not give meego a chance | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | i just installed personal-lexicon on n900-ce :) | 14:42 |
| lcuk | from fiferboys repository | 14:42 |
| lcuk | it thinks maemo and meego are invalid words | 14:42 |
| lcuk | but Community is valid :D | 14:43 |
| lcuk | it knows of harmattan o_O but not fremantle | 14:43 |
| lcuk | frals, what is the jabber address? | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | bah | 14:56 |
| lcuk | flat battery on my ideapad | 14:56 |
| lcuk | paper books do not run out of batteries! | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | They do get bit-rot though. | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got ~100 books with actual woodworm holes in | 14:57 |
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| vvaltone | I wonder why the usb fifo on the n900 suddenly stops working with functionfs | 14:58 |
| x29a | i just stumbled upon the meego image creator, is this kind of a meego from scratch approach, where everyone adds packages he might need to get a stripped down to the purpose version? | 14:58 |
| lcuk | x29a, the image creator is indeed how you make your own images | 14:59 |
| lcuk | so that not just stripping down to minimal, but also adding your own packages | 14:59 |
| lcuk | and creating customised image thingies for installation | 14:59 |
| lcuk | supposing you wanted meego with a set of extra apps installing on your 100 work machines | 15:00 |
| lcuk | then make an image and install on all of them | 15:00 |
| lcuk | :P | 15:00 |
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| x29a | ah, i see. what about: i dont want to tinker with the internals of meego, just use the most stable version/approach for porting a qt application which took way too much time already with scratchbox/maemo sdk? | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | x29a, so you already have a qt based app? | 15:01 |
| lcuk | and you want to use it on meego? | 15:01 |
| x29a | i want to use it on the n900 | 15:01 |
| x29a | maemo failed (or i failed with maemo), so this is my next try | 15:02 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:02 |
| lcuk | what happened with maemo? lots of people manage to create qt apps there | 15:02 |
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| x29a | lcuk: it heavily relies on qwt, boost and some long double stuff, scratchbox versions were out of date and the qt sdk seemed a lot of hazzle to get everything working | 15:03 |
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| x29a | thatd be my next question: how is the crosscompiling done? is there a stable toolchain? | 15:03 |
| x29a | ill just go through the meego creator steps to see my options, then decide. since i want to do an mmc install anyways, i might as well get the default-build later | 15:04 |
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| lcuk | x29a, the image creator might be too far for your thinking | 15:05 |
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| x29a | too advanced? | 15:05 |
| lcuk | what people use is OBS/ocs to allow the builder to generate required binary packages for installation | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | x29a, I am using n900-ce image now | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | I have just been testing a qt app written by fiferboy | 15:06 |
| lcuk | I did not recreate a whole image (mic2 approach) to test his app | 15:06 |
| lcuk | I just added his repository and installed his app | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 15:07 |
| x29a | ok, you lost me at n900-ce, whats that | 15:07 |
| x29a | sorry about the difficulties, but im totally new to this | 15:07 |
| x29a | thanks! | 15:07 |
| lcuk | that is ok | 15:07 |
| lcuk | the n900-ce is the Community Edition MeeGo n900 build :) | 15:07 |
| x29a | sounds nice | 15:07 |
| x29a | ah, mer, i remember that from my n810 times | 15:07 |
| lcuk | ithttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/CE_Factsheet | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/CE_Factsheet | 15:08 |
| x29a | i was able to remove the "it" part ;) | 15:08 |
| x29a | lots of good entry points, thanks for now | 15:08 |
| x29a | just good uboot setup, im going meego soon ;) | 15:08 |
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| x29a | ill just ping the channel with questions when they bubble up | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | \o | 15:09 |
| lcuk | morning CoderForLife | 15:09 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill too :P | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | morning | 15:09 |
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| CosmoHill | sat down on the sofa, forgot to plug in the power cable so the battery died | 15:10 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol I was just heading to the garden to read book when found same | 15:10 |
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| CosmoHill | this is my home battery so only lasts 20 mins | 15:10 |
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| lcuk | meego ideapad lasts for hours | 15:11 |
| lcuk | but I turned off suspend on lid close | 15:11 |
| * lcuk thinks perhaps suspend after lid closed for 5 minutes might be acceptable | 15:11 | |
| lcuk | hmm | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | channel 5 must hate it's viewers | 15:12 |
| lcuk | why? | 15:12 |
| CosmoHill | Big Brother 2011 | 15:12 |
| lcuk | i noticed last night @att on twitter did an interview with some major league soccer bloke | 15:12 |
| lcuk | they lost followers by the end of it | 15:12 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, BB was awesome at first | 15:13 |
| CosmoHill | indeed | 15:13 |
| CosmoHill | still not my thing but it started reality tv | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | and still has big following | 15:13 |
| lcuk | nahh there was reality shows before | 15:13 |
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| CosmoHill | the average IQ of the follower has dropped over the years | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | your age has changed | 15:14 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: because of the following? | 15:14 |
| vvaltone | so the conclusion is: Watching BB lowers the IQ | 15:14 |
| * CosmoHill is looking at ford stuff >.< | 15:15 | |
| thiago | post hoc ergo propter hoc | 15:15 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, I thought the UK Big Brother was being axed? | 15:15 |
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| thiago | it could be the other way around: the IQ has lowered, therefore BB has continued to exist | 15:15 |
| CosmoHill | Channel 4 got rid of it and channel 5 dug up it's corpse | 15:15 |
| Termana | It got axed here in Australia | 15:16 |
| Termana | I got bored of it and didn't really watch the last couple of seasons. On the other hand, I didn't want it to end :p | 15:16 |
| CosmoHill | speaking of Australia TV, home and away is on tv | 15:17 |
| vvaltone | CosmoHill, Ford stuff? You need to choose a car based on the principle that it has MeeGo IVI | 15:17 |
| Termana | Like a BMW | 15:17 |
| CosmoHill | I know you can fit a 7" touch screen in a ford | 15:17 |
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| CosmoHill | I like some but they're either driven by wankers or drug dealers | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | you own a BMW doesn't you... | 15:18 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, your just jealous | 15:19 |
| Termana | no I don't, I'm only a student at the moment | 15:19 |
| CosmoHill | rear wheel drive + roundabouts should be fun | 15:19 |
| Termana | but when I start bringing in the real moolah I want to own one | 15:19 |
| Termana | If that makes me a wanker... well that's fine! :P | 15:20 |
| vvaltone | a M series? | 15:20 |
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| CosmoHill | M1 looks nice | 15:20 |
| Termana | vvaltone, the M series is nice, but I like the 3-series as well even though they are the second to bottom range | 15:21 |
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| Termana | We get a major luxury car tax here in Australia, so no BMW is "cheap" so to speak. | 15:22 |
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| Termana | Have to "protect the local brands" e.g. Holden and Ford. Both companies being owned by overseas companies | 15:23 |
| Termana | and mainly being driven by bogans here | 15:23 |
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| * Ronksu is taking notes on words to remember: moolah, bogan... | 15:24 | |
| CosmoHill | Dad saw a Holden Ute last week, looks cool | 15:24 |
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| lbt | auke: ping (important) | 15:40 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, if you want to assign the bug 13084 to me fine | 15:47 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 15:47 |
| lcuk | but I don't know how to fix it | 15:47 |
| lcuk | since the only demo video on n900-ce has this bug | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | thought it would be given some more priority | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | the guy who wrote xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx isn't with nokia anymore and it isn't exactly clear code | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, I don't even know how to get the pristine code | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/non-oss/MeeGo_1.2/src.armv8el/xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx-0.4.0-3.7.src.rpm | 15:49 |
| lcuk | that is the 1.2 branch version | 15:49 |
| lcuk | but it has patches inside | 15:49 |
| lcuk | rather than just being a tar.gz | 15:49 |
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| * lcuk confuddled with levels of abstraction | 15:50 | |
| Stskeeps | it has a tarball which is equal to what was in harmattan and some patches on top | 15:50 |
| lcuk | yeah, so how do I apply those patches? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | patch -p1 .. ? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | patch -p1 < patchname | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, ubt then after I have done some tweaking | 15:51 |
| lcuk | won't I need to remake those patches? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | not really, just make a patch on top | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | i usually have a dir-patched and dir-patched-mypatch | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | and then diff on top | 15:51 |
| lcuk | this level of workflow is what shoulder surfing others doing same would help | 15:51 |
| * lcuk still misses office life :) | 15:52 | |
| Stskeeps | untar tarball, name it directory-orig, apply patches on top, cp -r directory-mypatch, cd directory-mypatch, tinker, cd .., diff -urN directory-orig directory-mypatch | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | or use git | 15:56 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, where is the git repository for the pristine sgx source? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: you're assuming there's one, just use the tarball | 16:00 |
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| vvaltone | I'm sure it exists, but it's unlikely to be pristine, nor freely available :P | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | in this case, xorg driver :P | 16:02 |
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| thiago | nor is it guaranteed to be Git | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | ok Stskeeps assign it to me, it may take a while but I will do best with this, it annoys me each day so will fix it | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | and indirectly fix harmattan build too | 16:05 |
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| vgrade | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nvidia-meego-battle-ground/ | 16:10 |
| Kiranos | nice! would love to have meegon on my optimus2x | 16:10 |
| vvaltone | I don't think nvidia has wayland plans, so it might get nasty with meego 1.3 | 16:11 |
| vgrade | Kiranos, post it to me , i'll see what I can do | 16:11 |
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| vgrade | vvaltone, what support do you need in the driver for wayland over and above gles2 | 16:12 |
| Kiranos | vgrade: :P it's my main phone therwise you'd get it.. | 16:13 |
| vvaltone | vgrade, well, openwf/drm/kms I guess | 16:13 |
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| vvaltone | I don't think it's fully stabilized yet | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | technically you only need hardware buffer sharing | 16:14 |
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| vvaltone | I could imagine nvidia supporting openwf I guess | 16:15 |
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| CosmoHill | Termana: how much for a holden commodore SS V-series redline with a manual gearbox? | 16:16 |
| x29a | is "dd"ing the raw image onto my sd card the only thing i have to do in order to install meego? whats the vmlinuz for? | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | x29a: for those unfortunate enough to not want/have uboot | 16:17 |
| x29a | ah i see | 16:18 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, If your a South Australian Member of Parliament, $7000 AUD. Otherwise a 2011 Holden Commodore VE Series II SS V Redline seems to be about $50,000 AUD | 16:19 |
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| CosmoHill | okay that's about £33K | 16:20 |
| vvaltone | Do you have to go to prison to become a South Australian Member of Parliament? | 16:21 |
| * CosmoHill was looking at Vans yesterday at about £27K | 16:21 | |
| Termana | vvaltone, lol | 16:21 |
| Termana | JUST ABOUT | 16:22 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: buy an RV, save on rent | 16:23 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, but you can get new lower-model Holden sedans for $30,000. Personally, if I was buying Holden I would probably either go for the lower model or go all out and buy an HSV (Holden Special Vehicle, which is the performance vehicle brand) | 16:27 |
| Termana | (AUD) | 16:27 |
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| * CosmoHill just speced up a Ford Modeo Titianium X sport for £31K | 16:29 | |
| CosmoHill | admidantly I could do without the dog guard | 16:30 |
| Termana | It looks nice from Google Images. But I wouldn't buy Ford | 16:31 |
| Termana | On principal | 16:31 |
| Termana | When I show my boganness I am a Holden supporter. | 16:31 |
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| CosmoHill | (when I say ford I mean Ford EU) | 16:31 |
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| CosmoHill | If I were to get a holden I'd replace the vauxhall badges with holden badges | 16:32 |
| Termana | What's the difference, it's all Ford? | 16:32 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, it that the brand they are sold under there? | 16:32 |
| CosmoHill | yeah but there's only one or two holdens for sale | 16:33 |
| CosmoHill | there are fords like the ford falcon that you can only get in austraila | 16:33 |
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| * CosmoHill goes to take the dog for a walk | 16:34 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, you mentioned the sgx pulled the m6 version then made some patches | 16:48 |
| lcuk | does this imply backwards that if I use scratchbox and my n950 that fixing it there will also allow it to be fixed on meego? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | cool | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | the source does not look massive which is a blessing but as you say it is quite convoluted | 16:49 |
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| timeless | so... | 16:54 |
| timeless | DawnFoster: pong me when you wake up | 16:54 |
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| * lcuk makes a clean testcase app first | 16:55 | |
| lcuk | timeless, Yo! | 16:55 |
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| timeless | hi | 16:57 |
| timeless | lcuk, et al: what does this mean: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18038#c10 | 16:58 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 18038 nor, Low, ---, kevron_m_rees, VERI WONTFIX, Bluetooth icon should either not be present or clearly indicate it won't work when no bluetooth adap | 16:58 |
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| timeless | [ crickets ] | 17:01 |
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| realsportcars | hello | 17:09 |
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| khertan1 | Hi, does there is problem currently with the community obs ? package doesn't seems to be moved to the repo | 17:09 |
| khertan1 | rpc timeout | 17:09 |
| realsportcars | Does someone know where is located telepathy ConnectionManager in meego? | 17:10 |
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| Robot101 | realsportcars: where in what sense? on the filesystem? | 17:12 |
| realsportcars | in the source code | 17:13 |
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| realsportcars | I'd like to understand how it works | 17:13 |
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| realsportcars | really, I'd like to understand how "kill" a SMS before system-ui catch it | 17:14 |
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| timeless | realsportcars: what do you mean? | 17:15 |
| realsportcars | timeless, I'm trying to write a message-blocker for meego, but atm I'm unable to block "silently" incoming SMS | 17:15 |
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| timeless | http://mxr.meego.com/meego.gitorious.org/source/telepathy-ring/ | 17:16 |
| timeless | are you looking for source code? | 17:16 |
| timeless | for client apis | 17:16 |
| timeless | for ...? | 17:16 |
| timeless | http://mxr.meego.com/meego.gitorious.org/source/meego-app-im/telepathy-qml-lib/ | 17:16 |
| realsportcars | uhm...this could be helful | 17:17 |
| realsportcars | *helpful | 17:17 |
| realsportcars | sourcecode onyl for understand how it works | 17:17 |
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| realsportcars | I tryed with telepathy client approvers, but this isn't the right way | 17:17 |
| realsportcars | approvers works quite good on maemo, but not on meego | 17:18 |
| timeless | http://mxr.meego.com/draft-repo.meego.com/source/telepathy-logger/ | 17:18 |
| * timeless shrugs | 17:18 | |
| timeless | http://mxr.meego.com/draft-repo.meego.com/find?string=telepathy&tree=draft-repo.meego.com&hint= | 17:19 |
| timeless | there's plenty of stuff floating around | 17:19 |
| lcuk | timeless, crickets were a mistimed cup of coffe | 17:19 |
| lcuk | e | 17:19 |
| timeless | there's also iirc an api.meego.com or something | 17:19 |
| timeless | lcuk: ok, lemme know if you want to chirp | 17:19 |
| realsportcars | ty timeless! | 17:20 |
| lcuk | it seems that part of the bug has been resolved or not encountered | 17:20 |
| lcuk | in latest image | 17:20 |
| lcuk | but it certainly isn't clear | 17:20 |
| timeless | lcuk: i'm pretty sure that the person didn't read the steps to reproduce | 17:20 |
| timeless | but i can't be confident about that | 17:20 |
| timeless | because i have *no* clue what that person did encounter | 17:21 |
| timeless | my guess is that upon turning off bluetooth (which means the device isn't proper) | 17:21 |
| lcuk | perhaps he has not got an exopc | 17:21 |
| lcuk | and is also trying to help | 17:21 |
| lcuk | but testing it how he can | 17:21 |
| lcuk | :) | 17:21 |
| timeless | ... the bluetooth icon disappeared from the status line at the top of the screen | 17:21 |
| berndhs | send me an exopc and I'll check it out | 17:21 |
| lcuk | lol berndhs | 17:21 |
| timeless | which means he totally failed to read the steps to reproduce | 17:21 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:21 |
| timeless | berndhs: where are you? | 17:21 |
| berndhs | Niagara | 17:21 |
| timeless | as in near the CA/US border? | 17:22 |
| timeless | (this is doable) | 17:22 |
| berndhs | right, a little west of the falls | 17:22 |
| timeless | I've been as far west as Hamilton of late | 17:22 |
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| berndhs | half way between N.Falls and Hamilton | 17:22 |
| timeless | if you happen to head toward YYZ anytime, lemme know | 17:23 |
| timeless | i can easily let you grab mine... | 17:23 |
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| berndhs | ok, will keep that in mind | 17:23 |
| lcuk | or just have a meetup and chat about other stuff | 17:23 |
| timeless | or that | 17:23 |
| timeless | lcuk: anyway, it'd be good if someone slapped that guy | 17:24 |
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| timeless | (and the previous guy for that matter) | 17:24 |
| lcuk | you should be able to install maliit or configure it to work by the way | 17:24 |
| ali1234 | timeless: i know... seems like nobody ever reads the steps to reproduce before they post "works for me" | 17:25 |
| timeless | ali1234: pretty amazing | 17:25 |
| lcuk | ali1234, do you have any other examples? | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | yes | 17:26 |
| lcuk | actual bug numbers? | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | slow bugzilla is slow | 17:26 |
| lcuk | works for me | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | bug 14307 | 17:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, REOP, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | oh, someone replied | 17:27 |
| timeless | ali1234: you mean https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307#c5 ? | 17:27 |
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| ali1234 | timeless: that bug has been closed "works for me" about 3 times | 17:28 |
| ali1234 | and i just keep reopening it | 17:28 |
| ali1234 | because it really does not work | 17:28 |
| timeless | heh | 17:28 |
| timeless | technically it only looks like twice https://bugs.meego.com/show_activity.cgi?id=14307 | 17:28 |
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| ali1234 | this guy is telling me to do "sudo zypper si kernel" even though that doesn't work and isn't even supposed to work | 17:30 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19153 | 17:30 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 19153 nor, Undecided, ---, qiang.z.zhang, VERI INVALID, zypper si does nothing. | 17:30 |
| timeless | ali1234: please click on a comment link and then copy that url | 17:32 |
| timeless | it makes my life easier :) | 17:32 |
| * leinir thinks it's very silly that the tablet ux doesn't have any way of putting the device to sleep... | 17:32 | |
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| ali1234 | timeless: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19153#c12 | 17:33 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 19153 nor, Undecided, ---, qiang.z.zhang, VERI INVALID, zypper si does nothing. | 17:33 |
| timeless | :) | 17:33 |
| timeless | leinir: the power button on the back! | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | basically the whole bug is "sudo zypper si kernel does nothing" "well, it's not supposed to" "oh, ok then" | 17:34 |
| timeless | (ok, it shuts off the exopc, but that's a very very very deep sleep!) | 17:34 |
| leinir | timeless: that's sort of my point ;) | 17:34 |
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| timeless | ali1234: impressive | 17:35 |
| timeless | (reached comment 10) | 17:36 |
| * timeless sighs | 17:36 | |
| timeless | that bug is braindead | 17:36 |
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| timeless | the report has more than sufficient info for the QA to file the new bug | 17:36 |
| timeless | and it *should* be the *job* of QA to file the new bug | 17:36 |
| timeless | asking a random reporter to do it is mean and stupid | 17:37 |
| timeless | (and prone to failure) | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | which bug? | 17:37 |
| timeless | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19153#c14 | 17:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 19153 nor, Undecided, ---, qiang.z.zhang, VERI INVALID, zypper si does nothing. | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | oh, yeah | 17:37 |
| timeless | > Hi, ali1234 , if you get more info ,you can file new bug for warn info! | 17:37 |
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| timeless | what more info does he need? he has steps, he has logs, and he did the ****'ng analysis | 17:38 |
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| timeless | just write up the bug, assign it to the right person, cc the original victim, and comment in the old bug indicating the new bug number | 17:38 |
| rm_work | well | 17:38 |
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| timeless | rm_work: please remember that i've been using bugzilla for >10 years | 17:39 |
| timeless | and i've watched good QAs work | 17:39 |
| rm_work | yeah, not that | 17:39 |
| timeless | and i've watched groups lose volunteers or potential volunteers | 17:39 |
| timeless | s/or/and/ | 17:39 |
| infobot | timeless meant: and i've watched groups lose volunteers and potential volunteers | 17:39 |
| rm_work | my comment was going to be, did ali1234 go back and retry the original bug using root instead of sudo? :P | 17:39 |
| rm_work | nothing about what you said | 17:39 |
| rm_work | which is correct IMO | 17:39 |
| rm_work | that was the first thing i noticed when comparing working to not working -- one had # and one had $ :) | 17:40 |
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| rm_work | sudo does strange things sometimes | 17:40 |
| rm_work | it *shouldn't*, don't get me wrong, but it *does* | 17:40 |
| rm_work | so it is a bug, but maybe a slightly different one (like he says at the end of 14307 | 17:41 |
| rm_work | ) | 17:41 |
| timeless | which he should file! | 17:41 |
| rm_work | yes | 17:41 |
| rm_work | no doubtr | 17:41 |
| timeless | which is my point | 17:41 |
| timeless | it shouldn't be the reporter's job | 17:41 |
| rm_work | but i was wondering if ali went back and tried to reproduce again using root | 17:41 |
| timeless | once you as QA discover a bug and determine it isn't the original bug | 17:41 |
| timeless | you file the new bug | 17:41 |
| rm_work | as followup to the original bug 14307 | 17:42 |
| rm_work | oh i meant: | 17:42 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, REOP, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep | 17:42 |
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| rm_work | so it is a bug, but maybe a slightly different one (like he says at the end of 19153) | 17:42 |
| timeless | ali1234: there's a reason i have a .rpmbuild which sets home to something other than /root :) | 17:43 |
| timeless | it gave mxr a chance to do stuff | 17:43 |
| rm_work | i have a feeling 14307 might work if you take the advice from 19153 (not that it's not a bug) | 17:43 |
| rm_work | just do the whole thing as root, proves it's a permissions issue, which kinda makes sense | 17:43 |
| timeless | rm_work: that isn't really intersting | 17:43 |
| rm_work | and then see timeless' .rpmbuild :P | 17:44 |
| timeless | all of these bugs are really that the error reporting is terrible (and absolutely broken) | 17:44 |
| timeless | each bug should result in a fix to some error reporting instance | 17:44 |
| rm_work | yes, sorry, getting sidetracked by trying to assist with the ACTUAL problem, which i realize in this conversation wasn't the point (which was that people suck when they use WFM all the time) | 17:45 |
| rm_work | I assume you've seen Texrat's article on the matter (and probably linked it a few times) | 17:45 |
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| ali1234 | rm_work: i've tried everything with root, sudo, normal user for both those bugs | 17:48 |
| ali1234 | the only thing i haven't done is opened that new bug for the warning | 17:48 |
| rm_work | lol k | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | rm_work: i haven't tried 14307 using sudo when i'm already root | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | but that seems pointless | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | i mean, if that did work, it would be a bug in itself | 17:49 |
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| ali1234 | how can sudo make you more root than root? | 17:49 |
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| ali1234 | anyway if you read the logs you'll see the very first thing i do is "su -" | 17:49 |
| ali1234 | (or the comment i just added) | 17:50 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, £540 for a set of alloys | 17:51 |
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| aleksander_m | if I launch a custom meego-core-ia32-base image with kvm... shouldn't I get at least a shell or something? getting a black screen here | 17:52 |
| pebcak | on which cpu? | 17:53 |
| aleksander_m | pebcak, intel i5 | 17:53 |
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| pebcak | go to qemu shell and look what#s happening | 17:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Ulf^: hmm, why the downgrade of gtk? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | (out of curiousity) | 18:00 |
| Ulf^ | Stskeeps, for nautilus-2.30 and other gtk2 based packages to build in Trunk:Testing in an effort to the restore the clutter UI based Netbook image | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Ulf^: ah okay | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i ran into the nautilus issue earlier, gvfs is unresolvable | 18:02 |
| Ulf^ | Not the issue I've been seeing | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, it was unresolvable because of nautilus failing ;) | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | on arm | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | but sure, would be good to get the stack validated, after all the systemd changes | 18:03 |
| Ulf^ | I had to enable deprecated symbols in GDK for the linker to be happy only to run a signal that wouldn't be resolved because it was deprecated in the GTK2 API | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:03 |
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| Ulf^ | Stskeeps, How is Wayland with QT5 coming along? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Ulf^: great :) http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110722_002.jpg and http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110726_001.jpg for my side of things | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | we're continually improving the qt5 packaging and using same codebase both on intel and arm | 18:06 |
| Ulf^ | Stskeeps, Way to go! | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | so i have good faith in this working out for 1.3 | 18:07 |
| thiago | it's a victory to get it compiled at all :-) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes, indeed | 18:07 |
| Ulf^ | thiago, hehe | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | we should really get 4.8-beta into trunk:testing | 18:07 |
| * Stskeeps checks when markus is back | 18:07 | |
| slaine | Created a tablet image for my bedside unit here | 18:08 |
| slaine | not bad | 18:08 |
| slaine | most works out of the box | 18:08 |
| slaine | pity the UI requires a hard button to get back to the menu stuff | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. but such are designs | 18:09 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: how come wayland screenshot i see, there's never a window manager? | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | (serious question) | 18:12 |
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| thiago | usually, the wayland server is the window manager too | 18:12 |
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| ali1234 | well ok, so, where is it? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: in this particular case i don't think i had any logic associated | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/wayland/20110719_001.jpg is with qml-compositor | 18:12 |
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| ali1234 | is it simply that no one got around to writing a real WM for it yet? | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | ok, so where's the window decorations/title bar? | 18:13 |
| thiago | who says we need them? | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | well | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | noone's bothered to make them i guess ;) | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | i do | 18:13 |
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| ali1234 | when i see screenshots and there's no window borders and other stuff, i think "oh great, still another couple of years away from being done" | 18:14 |
| thiago | tablets and handsets shouldn't have visible windows anyway | 18:14 |
| thiago | all applications should be maximised or fullscreen | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | if wayland is going to replace X then it needs to run on a little bit more than tablets and handsets | 18:15 |
| thiago | true | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | now my perception is probably wrong, but there itis | 18:15 |
| thiago | someone needs to write a wayland-WM with window decorations | 18:15 |
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| pebcak | thiago very limited view on what tablets should or shouldn't have | 18:15 |
| thiago | I think martin grässlin is working on it with kwin | 18:16 |
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| pebcak | splits can be very useful, especially copy&paste, marking books etc. | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Larger tablets can certainly with profit use windows. | 18:16 |
| thiago | pebcak: the current UX doesn't call for it. | 18:16 |
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| berndhs | the fullscreen-only policy should be based on physicla screen size, not whether there is a keyboard or not (tablet) | 18:16 |
| fiferboy | If I remove source files from OBS does it removed the binaries that were built from them? | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I note that when I had a 640*480 10" laptop, I wasn't using one window only always | 18:16 |
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| pebcak | thiago that#s not what you said, you said "they shouldn't" | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: you can do osc wipebinaries, too | 18:16 |
| Ulf^ | fiferboy, nope | 18:17 |
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| thiago | pebcak: right. (MeeGo UX) Tablets and handsets shouldn't have it. | 18:17 |
| pebcak | I think devs and users should be free to decide that for themselves | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: I wasn't intentionally intended for the binaries to be removed :) | 18:17 |
| thiago | pebcak: shouldn't need it, I mean | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | fiferboy: ah.. | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:17 |
| thiago | pebcak: because our UX guidelines don't call for them. | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | Ulf^: Does triggering a rebuild on newer source remove the old binary? | 18:17 |
| pebcak | thiago there are always usecases when it would make sense | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | and there's possibility to make like that if you want that | 18:18 |
| thiago | pebcak: sure. but our UX guidelines don't call for them or allow them now. | 18:18 |
| pebcak | thiago well, I won#t comment that | 18:19 |
| pebcak | :) | 18:19 |
| Ulf^ | fiferboy, yep | 18:19 |
| fiferboy | Ulf^: Ah, that explains it then :) | 18:19 |
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| fiferboy | Although it makes the package unavailable for install while the new one is building | 18:19 |
| fiferboy | And what happens if the build fails? | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | well, i don't care about window decorations in meego, but i just want to see wayland screenshots with a "traditional" window manager :) | 18:19 |
| * lcuk notes that wayland looks like liqbase | 18:20 | |
| timeless | rm_work: i probably haven't seen the article, i'll take a link :) | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | unfinished? :) | 18:20 |
| lcuk | lol! | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, it may be unfinished but I am actively using the completed bits | 18:21 |
| * lcuk tinkers with his garden as required | 18:21 | |
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| * SpeedEvil is seiving rocks. | 18:21 | |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: with qml-compositor you can basically treat a window as an element in qml, so you can do small dancing penguins around it if you so desire.. so it's just that engineers have no sense of art ;) | 18:22 |
| Ulf^ | Stskeeps, Due to lack of imagination? ;) | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: ok for drawing decorations... what about resizing/minimize/dragging logic? | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | i'm excited about wayland but i won't really believe in it fully until i see these things actually working :) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | similar, but look at the wayland shell protocol | 18:23 |
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| ali1234 | what was the name of that really early compositing window manager? it was named after an artist i think... | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | (early for X) | 18:24 |
| rm_work | timeless: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2011/07/12/works-for-me/#more-3286 | 18:24 |
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| rm_work | really early, as in waaay before compiz? | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 18:26 |
| rm_work | dunno, compiz was the first i played with :P | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | it had loads of pointless features like corner peeling, and you could rotate windows | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | but it was basically just a tech demo | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass ? | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | everything is just a tech demo | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | no | 18:26 |
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| rm_work | Stskeeps: i was thinking that, but that was a java thing wasn't it? | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | it was way before that | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | it was in like 2003 | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | metisse | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | found in "see also" on that wiki page | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | anyway i feel like wayland is about at that stage - nice demo, but i can't actually use it yet | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | plan9 | 18:30 |
| rm_work | lcuk: rofl | 18:30 |
| * lcuk creating project_42 | 18:30 | |
| slaine | DawnFoster: I got the me ego tablet ux running on our bedside hardware, http://yfrog.com/mwi0dz | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | the one for hospital? | 18:32 |
| slaine | Yeah | 18:32 |
| slaine | just goofing around | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | awesome | 18:32 |
| slaine | But part of my plans of IBI (InBed Infotainment) | 18:32 |
| lcuk | get the patients into meego and producing code fixes whilst being fixed themselves :D | 18:33 |
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| slaine | :) | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | slaine, when you are making movies, and showing touchscreen, do you look through the camera view to tell where to press? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | In Bed Infotainment could be so misunderstood.. | 18:33 |
| * lcuk always gets mixed up | 18:33 | |
| * Stskeeps goes clean the kitchen | 18:33 | |
| slaine | Stskeeps: true | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | lol | 18:34 |
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| berndhs | with some of the drugs in hospital patients, you might get a new wave of psychedelic UIs | 18:34 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:34 |
| slaine | lcuk: bit of both, it's hard to know where to look, I know it's a bit shaky cam but it's my first post ;) | 18:34 |
| lcuk | let you off then :P | 18:34 |
| berndhs | in-bed infotainment, shaky cam, I don't know... | 18:35 |
| lcuk | right, time to have a meego break and do some pruning around liqbase | 18:35 |
| lcuk | back later \o | 18:35 |
| lcuk | somebody please remind me not to reflash n900-ce | 18:35 |
| lcuk | at least until I remove the source code from it | 18:36 |
| rm_work | lcuk: don't reflash n900-ce | 18:36 |
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| rm_work | i wish i could script that to repeat every 15 minutes or so :P | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | lol | 18:37 |
| lcuk | rm_work, tomorrow I will put the source onto repo but I CBA right now | 18:37 |
| lcuk | i am making a testcase for bug 13084 | 18:37 |
| rm_work | :P | 18:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, liquid, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 18:37 |
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| timeless | rm_work: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2011/07/12/works-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5611 :) | 18:43 |
| rm_work | :P | 18:46 |
| ali1234 | i love the meego-troll on that page | 18:48 |
| rm_work | yeah lol | 18:50 |
| rm_work | where does all the meego-style art come from T_T | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there a tool for it? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | and texrat, mostly | 18:51 |
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| Guest33764 | hello, I try compile basiclayouts example with Qt creator but got error MApplication: No such file or directory | 18:51 |
| Guest33764 | How can fix this? | 18:51 |
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| Guest33764 | Was installed Meego SDK 1.2 | 18:52 |
| pebcak | rm_work appupavatar.com ? | 18:52 |
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| ali1234 | rm_work: Stskeeps: there's a few tools including one by me: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1338 | 19:09 |
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| * slaine wonders what MeeGo UX would look like using Harmatten style components | 19:15 | |
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| leinir | slaine: well... arguably, swipe /is/ a meego ux... some of the underlying system's not meego, but the swipe bits would work just fine on top of meego-core... | 19:17 |
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| leinir | so it'd look the same ;) | 19:17 |
| slaine | leinir, Isn't the Harmattan components style different to the MeeGo UX style ? | 19:18 |
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| slaine | Or is it that the MTF apps on Harmattan just look better :) | 19:18 |
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| leinir | slaine: Oh, you mean the Intel MeeGo Tablet UX? | 19:20 |
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| slaine | leinir: Yes | 19:20 |
| slaine | That's confusingly called MeeGo UX | 19:21 |
| leinir | *nods* Yeah | 19:21 |
| leinir | not very happy about that situation | 19:21 |
| slaine | there's a history of confusing names here | 19:21 |
| slaine | I'm guessing that the End Game is for MeeGo UX to be the reference UX for all form factors, netbook, tablet, IVI, which tweaks per form factor | 19:22 |
| slaine | wild speculation | 19:22 |
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| slaine | s/which tweaks/with tweaks | 19:22 |
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| gabrbedd | slaine: leinir: There was a discussion about this about 1-2 mos. ago on the dev ML. | 19:25 |
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| leinir | gabrbedd: it comes up every so often ;) | 19:25 |
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| gabrbedd | slaine: leinir: I think the "conclusion" was that MeeGo never /really/ want's to provide a production/stable out-of-the box UX. | 19:26 |
| gabrbedd | They want a good proof of concept, and for vendors to provide their own. | 19:26 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: Yeah, that's always been the case, even back to Moblin | 19:26 |
| slaine | I think it's a pity | 19:26 |
| gabrbedd | But you can never get anyone to commit to one or the other... but I think it's clear that this is the priority/marchin orders. | 19:27 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: I tend to agree. It makes app development MUCH more complex. | 19:27 |
| slaine | It doesn't take much more effort cost wise to push the reference design over the barrier of being good enough to prove a point to being really nice and compelling. | 19:27 |
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| gabrbedd | slaine: The problem, they say, is that if the reference UX is too good -- it will hinder adoption. | 19:28 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: the ability to totally re-do the UX is one of the chief things that distinguishes MeeGo. | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, what did you say? | 19:32 |
| slaine | If you look at all the MeeGo netbook announcements, they are variations on the stock UX, so I can't see that being a valid complaint | 19:33 |
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| berndhs | slaine: it depends on the company and the business. Car companies and phone companies probably want their own brand | 19:35 |
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| slaine | berndhs: that's my point I guess, any of the netbook release coming out are branded variants of the stock ux. So the stock ux has to be good enough for them to use and rebrand in the first place | 19:36 |
| slaine | As opposed to say Audi doing a whole different UX design for their IVI product | 19:37 |
| slaine | Something like that would be a minority | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: FWIW, I saw some new UX concepts at... what was it? computex? | 19:37 |
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| berndhs | minority in what terms? in terms of number of platforms or in terms of number of chips sold? | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: And they were meego. | 19:37 |
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| slaine | berndhs: minority in terms of number of totally new ux implementations | 19:38 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, ? | 19:38 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: However... my PERSONAL opinion is... when I get a phone I am really not interested in your crummy vendor-specific UX. | 19:39 |
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| slaine | berndhs: So far, the majority of UX's in shipping products have been variations on the stock | 19:39 |
| berndhs | sure, but to what extent are those interesting to Intel ? | 19:39 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: I think the DIY-UX feature is a huge benefit for IVI and TV... and I think it's a hinderance for handset and tablet. | 19:40 |
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| slaine | gabrbedd: I'd agree | 19:40 |
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| gabrbedd | ...and that seems to be the way things are playing out, too. :-/ | 19:41 |
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| andyross | Amen. In the android world, compare the UX experience of a Nexus S to *any* of the "customized" Galaxy S variants (there are now dozens), which are all basically the same hardware. The Google UI is just plain better in every way. All the vendor stuff is trash. | 19:41 |
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| slaine | berndhs: You're not getting the point I was making. I was simply saying that given the investment that Intel are putting into MeeGo and the development of the UX reference, it's not much of an expense to take them from three quarters of the way there to all the way there in terms of polish | 19:42 |
| slaine | andyross: I'd disagree there. I think HTC's SenseUI is a huge improvement over the stock UI on android | 19:42 |
| berndhs | slaine: sure that's very likely correct | 19:42 |
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| ceyusa | hi! is there a madde-config for meego-ia32-core-1.2.0 ??? | 19:43 |
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| berndhs | and for tablets and netbooks and such, I would prefer to see that it's MeeGo | 19:43 |
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| berndhs | in fact I would like a MeeGo desktop UX as well | 19:43 |
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| andyross | To be clear: I've never used Sense, I was talking about the Samsung+Carrier enhancements to the Galaxy S phones, which I've dealt with. They contain such gems as a modal dialog box which tells you (no joke) that "the battery is done charging, you may now remove the charger". It gets bonus points for lighting the phone up and vibrating at 2am to tell you this. | 19:44 |
| slaine | berndhs: There was talk of that in the VERY early days | 19:44 |
| berndhs | actually, I look at it more as big-screen, rather than desktop | 19:45 |
| slaine | andyross: ouch | 19:45 |
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| andyross | Also: the camera won't shoot video when the batter is <15%. Because the app knows better than the user does how the user wants to spend their battery energy. | 19:46 |
| slaine | berndhs: MeeGo did introduce to enhancements over Moblin (they where due for Moblin 2.2's release) for large screens, but I don't think that UX worked well enough on a large screen | 19:46 |
| slaine | andyross: if your stuck on that phone and interested, I've heard very good things about the CM7 rom for it. | 19:47 |
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| berndhs | slaine: maybe it works well enugh just with xfce | 19:47 |
| andyross | I'm already on a custom ROM, so no big deal. Was just mentioning it as an example of the idiocy manufacturers and carriers inject into the process. Basically gabrbedd is right: "custom" UIs are always a misfeature. | 19:48 |
| dm8tbr | berndhs: I know people using meego as a base for their desktop/laptop with e.g. xfce | 19:48 |
| slaine | Yeah, it's possible to do branded enhancements properly though, the HTC Desire was a good example of that. | 19:48 |
| slaine | Is xfce still in the repos ? | 19:49 |
| berndhs | last week it was there | 19:49 |
| slaine | cool, was there but broken early in the meego cycle, I used to use it on moblin. | 19:49 |
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| slaine | not tried it since the move to meego | 19:49 |
| berndhs | actually let me correct that statement, it is in a devel: repo | 19:50 |
| arfoll | slaine, auke has put it back in MeeGo | 19:51 |
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| slaine | arfoll: happy days | 19:51 |
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| arfoll | slaine: I missed you earlier but you said you had offices in Malta? | 19:52 |
| arfoll | I see you said installation | 19:52 |
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| slaine | Yeah, we've got a few units with Melita Cable in the MAtre Dai hospital (spelling ??) | 19:53 |
| arfoll | slaine, I was there just last week. the hospital is nearly brand new though | 19:54 |
| thiago | slaine: "mater dei" probably | 19:54 |
| slaine | Brand new in building terms is not the same as brand new in PC terms | 19:55 |
| slaine | thiago: thats it | 19:55 |
| arfoll | slaine, was just about to say that... | 19:55 |
| arfoll | thiago, spot on, your maltese is better than mine! | 19:55 |
| slaine | Our older 600Mhz Celeron hardware | 19:55 |
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| thiago | arfoll: probably not :-) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | ysss: see, i was ahead of the times :) | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 19:56 |
| arfoll | thiago, if you know more than 10 words you are... | 19:56 |
| ysss | sts: haha you know everyone had the same thought | 19:56 |
| thiago | I don't think I know any | 19:56 |
| arfoll | slaine, thats probably high tech for them... I visited their IT department - not exactly state of the art | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ysss: just click "report post" on every single problematic thing and that should do the trick | 19:57 |
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| auke | slaine: devel:xfce | 19:58 |
| auke | it's entirely up to date, including zypper patterns to install easily | 19:58 |
| ysss | i think the wheels are already turning for his exit ever since that love letter he wrote to chemist | 19:58 |
| * arfoll wonders why anyone bothers since there is openbox for meego.... | 19:59 | |
| slaine | auke, that's made my day. Thanks | 20:00 |
| auke | arfoll: I've been involved with xfce since before moblin existed... | 20:00 |
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| auke | slaine: it's building against both 1.2 and trunk, so, should be usable without any problems | 20:00 |
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| arfoll | auke, i know. i actually use some of it with openbox on meego :-) | 20:01 |
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| qgil | lbt X-Fade may I request an account for the COBS? | 20:15 |
| lbt | of course | 20:15 |
| lbt | open source ... right ? | 20:16 |
| lbt | ;) | 20:16 |
| lbt | done | 20:16 |
| qgil | then I request is lbt :) | 20:16 |
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| qgil | great, thanks! | 20:16 |
| * auke waves to qgil | 20:16 | |
| qgil | hi auke ! | 20:16 |
| qgil | auke: I spent a week in Zeeland, and I was impressed by the interaction between the sea, the tide... and the rain in July | 20:17 |
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| qgil | auke: I didn't know there were seals in Europe (out of a zoo, that is) ... and I didn't know either so much rain could fall in July in Europe - still we had lots of fun | 20:18 |
| qgil | and now back to topic | 20:18 |
| lbt | auke ... msg? | 20:18 |
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| slaine | qgil: we have sharks, dolphins too | 20:19 |
| qgil | slaine: I knew about sharks, dolphins and even the couple of whales lost in the mediterranean sea - but no seals | 20:20 |
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| * gabrbedd is reminded of the movie "Roan Inish" ... | 20:22 | |
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| * slaine has snorkeled with dolphins, seals and saw a basking shark from a distance, all in the irish sea | 20:24 | |
| slaine | well, the dolphin was in the atlantic | 20:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, while you're handing out free accounts . . . can I get in on it? ;) | 20:28 |
| lbt | yep ...meego account name | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | generalantilles | 20:28 |
| lbt | but c.obs is down ... looking at it | 20:28 |
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| lbt | c.obs is back | 20:39 |
| lbt | disk full | 20:39 |
| lbt | sorry .... monitoring system clearly not doing its job | 20:39 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: done :) | 20:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 20:40 |
| lbt | qgil: ^^ back | 20:40 |
| qgil | just logged in thanks! | 20:40 |
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| qgil | lbt: should I expect a MeeGo Harmattan target at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/add_repository_from_default_list or is that precisely the part that is missing? | 20:45 |
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| siddvicious | i get error usb0: unknown interface: No such device | 20:51 |
| siddvicious | on fedora 15 64 bit | 20:51 |
| qgil | ... oh my oh my... why did I decide to learn the basics of Qt Creator, Qt Quick, git and now OBS in the same week? | 20:52 |
| deimos | qgil, I feel like you with only Qt Quick :) | 20:53 |
| siddvicious | Stskeeps: can you help ? | 20:53 |
| lcuk | qgil, because actually walking the path any new developer must go through is invaluable if documented and discussed and processed and hopefully streamlined | 20:53 |
| lbt | indeed ... the week before the weekend I finally get round to updating the tutorials too | 20:53 |
| siddvicious | i have my n900 connected to notebook and its turned off | 20:53 |
| siddvicious | is installer script | 20:53 |
| qgil | is there a doc somewhere explaining step by step how to upload the files I got with Qt Creator to the COBS? | 20:54 |
| siddvicious | but when it runs it says usb0 unkown interface | 20:54 |
| lbt | no :( | 20:54 |
| lcuk | qgil, the best starting point appears to be: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS which is a collaboration between jaffa and lardman mostly | 20:54 |
| lcuk | it includes a section on publishing to harmattan | 20:55 |
| qgil | thanks lcuk | 20:55 |
| lcuk | \o | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | evening Simon \o | 20:56 |
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| lardman | hi lcuk | 20:58 |
| lardman | been a busy day, fixing run away immersion heater, then internet arriving so been rebooting Windows machines for ~4hours while they download updates | 20:59 |
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| antman8969 | So has any one else tried building against the Harmattan target in OBS and noticed that you can't include MDeclarativeCache | 21:01 |
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| qgil | lcuk: this is exactly what I was looking for. Linking it visibly from http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder - which is the first result I got | 21:02 |
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| siddvicious | can anyone help please | 21:07 |
| siddvicious | i am trying to install meeg 1.2 on n900 f15 x64bit | 21:07 |
| CosmoHill | maybe, ask another question and we'll see | 21:07 |
| siddvicious | installed flasher 3.5 and its in /usr/sbin | 21:07 |
| siddvicious | now i use installer script to install meego 1.2 ce on n900 | 21:08 |
| siddvicious | kept image and kernel file in the same folder | 21:08 |
| siddvicious | started script when device was off it was connected to usb | 21:08 |
| siddvicious | then it asked to shut off network manager i did yes | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | siddvicious: i would recommend you to use microsd instead | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | and it asked for "after enter please turn on device" | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | i did turn on | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | but | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | Unable to enumerate USB buses! | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | flashing done | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | usb0: unknown interface: No such device | 21:09 |
| siddvicious | usb0: unknown interface: No such device | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | siddvicious: sudo su | 21:10 |
| siddvicious | Stskeeps: i ran it from root already | 21:10 |
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| siddvicious | so i should try on mmc then ? | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, microsd | 21:14 |
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| siddvicious | Stskeeps: then only thing i need to do is put car inside phone, and rest is same, right ? | 21:17 |
| siddvicious | *card | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:19 |
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| antman8969 | qgil any luck with the harmattan target? | 21:34 |
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| qgil | yes, I added it to my COBS project antman8969 | 21:35 |
| antman8969 | qgil have you attempted a build? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | good stuff qgil | 21:36 |
| Venemo | hey qgil, thanks for your good work on the N950 device program :) | 21:36 |
| qgil | I'm in the point of adding files antman8969 - trying to figure out what is the best way to sync that process with the folders and files created by Qt Creator | 21:36 |
| antman8969 | hmm, I'm assuming you want to change the files it creates as little as possible? | 21:37 |
| antman8969 | i mean, if the qtc_packaging/harmattan dir instead was ./debian it wouldn't really require any change | 21:38 |
| qgil | antman8969: I don't even know what files are needed since Qt Creator manages to build the package on the go - I'm missing that magic button in the OBS context :) | 21:38 |
| antman8969 | lol | 21:38 |
| antman8969 | well if you uploaded your QtCreator src as .tar.gz with a debian directory on the top level, after uploading a package.dsc file it would build correctly | 21:39 |
| qgil | antman8969: Ideally I wouldn't need to touch a thing: build locally for my testing and then build remotely in COBS for sharing packages publicly | 21:39 |
| Venemo | qgil, Qt Creator puts files to qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan, and it copies this directory to the root and names it 'debian', then runs dpkg-buildpackage (as far as I understand it) | 21:39 |
| antman8969 | ^^ | 21:39 |
| qgil | ok, lemme try this | 21:39 |
| antman8969 | obviously making sure you uncomming dh_shlibdeps in the debian/rules file too | 21:40 |
| antman8969 | i usually have a different debian directory that I maintain myself out of QtCreators watch | 21:40 |
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| Venemo | antman8969, and the evil Qt Creator can't make a package if you have your own debian dir | 21:41 |
| antman8969 | lol sure it can, you just need to leave the one it likes there too | 21:41 |
| Venemo | nope. | 21:42 |
| Venemo | it will say "alien debian directory detected" or sth like that | 21:42 |
| Venemo | no, the word it uses is 'foreign' | 21:42 |
| Venemo | whatever. | 21:42 |
| antman8969 | well idk what to say to that... it doesn't say that for me | 21:43 |
| antman8969 | right now I have a debain dir, AND a qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan | 21:43 |
| antman8969 | it finds it just fine | 21:43 |
| antman8969 | don't add the new debian dir to your .pro file | 21:43 |
| antman8969 | if you are | 21:43 |
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| Venemo | well, I had a project which already had a debian dir. then I added the harmattan target, and at first build, this is what it said. | 21:43 |
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| qgil | Venemo antman8969 my Qt Creator project is called testdef and parallel to the /testdef folder there is a /testdef-build-harmattan that contains the deb package, some files, and some more under a /debian subfolder - but I'm not sure if these are all the source files | 21:44 |
| Venemo | qgil, what exactly are you trying to achieve? | 21:44 |
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| antman8969 | automating the upload process I assume | 21:45 |
| qgil | before "automating" I would like to learn what files I'm supposed to upload to the COBS | 21:46 |
| antman8969 | the testdef-build-harmattan doesn't contain all of what you need | 21:46 |
| antman8969 | the source isn't in there (or it shouldn't be) | 21:46 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:46 |
| antman8969 | what IS in there is the deb and .changes file | 21:46 |
| antman8969 | but what you need is the .dsc file | 21:46 |
| Venemo | yeah, antman8969 is right. | 21:46 |
| timoph | huh? | 21:47 |
| antman8969 | looking for it now... I don't see that qtcreator saves the .dsc file | 21:47 |
| timoph | deb file to obs? | 21:47 |
| antman8969 | yes | 21:47 |
| timoph | I thought you're supposed to upload your sources there | 21:47 |
| timoph | and it makes the deb for you | 21:47 |
| antman8969 | yep | 21:48 |
| antman8969 | along with a .dsc | 21:48 |
| wmarone | hey venemo | 21:48 |
| Bostik | the spell to invoke for .dsc generation is "dpkg-source -b $srcdir" | 21:48 |
| timoph | at least that's how the main obs works | 21:48 |
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| antman8969 | Bastik, have you tried getting QtCreator to generate a .dsc? | 21:49 |
| Bostik | antman8969: not really, I used the older prototype version which blindly called dpkg-buildpackage (which in turn did the dpkg-source step) | 21:49 |
| antman8969 | right | 21:50 |
| antman8969 | hmm | 21:50 |
| timoph | and more than that I like to create rpm and deb packages from the same source tar ball | 21:50 |
| antman8969 | well qgil, scratchbox definitly will do this for you.... | 21:50 |
| qgil | no way I get into scratchbox | 21:50 |
| timoph | :) | 21:50 |
| antman8969 | lol | 21:50 |
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| antman8969 | well all you're missing right now is the .dsc file | 21:51 |
| Bostik | I know that feeling :) | 21:51 |
| RST38h | qgil: QtSDK fails running an empty Harmattan QtQuick project though | 21:51 |
| RST38h | something about dh-* scripts failing | 21:51 |
| qgil | I have a folder with many files and /qml subfolder - I just want to know which files wants the OBS | 21:51 |
| RST38h | Installed right out of the box, empty project, etc. Epic fail. | 21:51 |
| qgil | the project works, the packages are build locally and I can run them in my device - I just want to share the package through the cmmunity OBS | 21:52 |
| antman8969 | qgil the obs wants testdef.tar.gz and testdef.dsc | 21:52 |
| timoph | yep | 21:52 |
| antman8969 | where testdef.tar.gz is you project folder compressed, and the .dsc is made during the packaging step | 21:52 |
| antman8969 | BUT idk if qtcreator generates the .dsc... still looking to see | 21:52 |
| qgil | oook, then this looks like http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Adding_files_to_a_package_and_building_them - only that it's unclear where to get this .dsc from | 21:53 |
| Venemo | by the final release date, this process should be fully supported by Qt Creator | 21:54 |
| antman8969 | you DEFINETLY get it from dpkg-buidlpackage | 21:54 |
| qgil | ok, I'll try | 21:54 |
| Venemo | Qt Creator does not generate a .dsc | 21:55 |
| Venemo | afaic | 21:55 |
| Venemo | afaict | 21:55 |
| antman8969 | where can you configure the packaging process? | 21:55 |
| antman8969 | don't see many options in the projects tab | 21:55 |
| Venemo | antman8969, I don't think you can, but maybe you can in the projects tab/harmattan/run/create package | 21:56 |
| antman8969 | thats where I would have thought too | 21:56 |
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| qgil | I don't know how to use dpkg-buildpackage & I was so happy when Qt Creator just generated a deb package alone - I have a tar.gz but still no .dsc | 22:02 |
| antman8969 | aah got it | 22:02 |
| antman8969 | ok | 22:02 |
| antman8969 | what you have to do is | 22:02 |
| qgil | but I understand this is uff-topic here, so I'll continue in #harmattan | 22:02 |
| qgil | "uff-topic" :D nice typo | 22:02 |
| antman8969 | oh no! I just got the answer | 22:02 |
| qgil | ok :) | 22:02 |
| antman8969 | you need to add a custom build step | 22:03 |
| antman8969 | in your project tab | 22:03 |
| qgil | I'm liking this... | 22:03 |
| antman8969 | here are the arguments | 22:03 |
| antman8969 | Command: /home/anthony/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad | 22:03 |
| antman8969 | except you arnt anthony lol | 22:03 |
| antman8969 | but it's the path to mad | 22:03 |
| antman8969 | woroking directory: %{buildDir}.......... that is good as default | 22:04 |
| antman8969 | Command arguments: -t harmattan-nokia-meego-api dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S -uc -us | 22:04 |
| antman8969 | assuming you are using the MeeGo 1.2 harmattan target | 22:04 |
| antman8969 | that generates all the files you need paralell to your project dir | 22:05 |
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| antman8969 | actually, now I won't have to build in scratchbox anymore.... this is pretty nice | 22:06 |
| Venemo | antman8969 :) | 22:06 |
| antman8969 | lol | 22:06 |
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| Venemo | antman8969, in the meantime, I've just figured out how to get Qt Creator _NOT_ to make packages every time :) | 22:07 |
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| antman8969 | lol great, we can be as careless or careful as we want now | 22:07 |
| Venemo | hehe | 22:08 |
| qgil | antman8969: does this custom step go after qmake and Make? | 22:08 |
| Venemo | nah, my train arrives in a minute so I need to leave now | 22:08 |
| Venemo | bb | 22:08 |
| antman8969 | have fun | 22:08 |
| antman8969 | yep qgil | 22:09 |
| antman8969 | the last one | 22:09 |
| antman8969 | not that it matters actually | 22:09 |
| antman8969 | i'ts a standalone dpkg command that just generates the files you want | 22:09 |
| antman8969 | but last is safe | 22:09 |
| antman8969 | was there a problem with it qgil? | 22:10 |
| qgil | antman8969: no, I rebuild and everything seems to work fine in the package, the device, etc Now... what has changed? ;) | 22:11 |
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| antman8969 | lol now parallel to your testdef direcotry you should see 3 new files | 22:12 |
| antman8969 | not inside of it | 22:12 |
| qgil | ah yesssssssss | 22:12 |
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| antman8969 | lol | 22:12 |
| antman8969 | that should be all you need to upload | 22:12 |
| qgil | with version number and everything: beautiful | 22:12 |
| antman8969 | BUT | 22:13 |
| antman8969 | does your application use the invoker to launch? | 22:13 |
| qgil | good that I refused to go for scratchbox | 22:13 |
| antman8969 | ol | 22:13 |
| qgil | er... what is the invoker | 22:13 |
| antman8969 | lol maybe not then. Well does you main.cpp file have #include <MDeclarativeCache> | 22:13 |
| qgil | nope | 22:14 |
| antman8969 | well then no worries! | 22:14 |
| antman8969 | the harmattan target on OBS doesn't seem to have the file, thats why I asked | 22:14 |
| qgil | ok, so I'll try now | 22:14 |
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| antman8969 | you will also need to add the harmattan target to your obs project | 22:16 |
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| antman8969 | oh wait lol, you packaged the testdef-build-harmattan dir as a tar.gz | 22:19 |
| antman8969 | should have uploaded testdef.tar.gz | 22:19 |
| qgil | antman8969: you seem to be watching behind my neck - I'm adding the repo but for some reason it doesn't "stick" - let me look again | 22:19 |
| antman8969 | lol | 22:19 |
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| siddvicious | okay got it working on mmc card :) | 22:20 |
| qgil | I'll delete files locally and build again | 22:20 |
| siddvicious | can i use wifi with it ? | 22:20 |
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| qgil | antman8969: what can I do? the custom build is compressing the testdef-build-harmattan folder indeed | 22:22 |
| qgil | let me look again under projects... | 22:22 |
| antman8969 | yea I see that | 22:23 |
| antman8969 | i'm building mine now to test something | 22:23 |
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| qgil | antman8969: I see, this is exactly what Qt Creator was told to do. This was the directory selected already | 22:24 |
| antman8969 | yea we told it to use builddir | 22:25 |
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| antman8969 | should instead be the path to your project | 22:25 |
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| qgil | ok | 22:25 |
| antman8969 | not sure exactly what you have to put into the custom step to make that happen tho | 22:26 |
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| antman8969 | oh ok | 22:27 |
| qgil | antman8969: mmm I justb selected the | 22:27 |
| antman8969 | its just the path to your source | 22:27 |
| qgil | folder through the UI, but now I get plenty of complaints | 22:27 |
| qgil | tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory dpkg-buildpackage: failure: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1 The process "/home/qgil/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad" exited with code 1. Error while building project testdef (target: Harmattan) When executing build step 'Custom Process Step' | 22:27 |
| antman8969 | I was just able to do it by setting "Working Directory: " to /home/anthony/Desktop/linkedup | 22:28 |
| antman8969 | my project atm is linkedup | 22:28 |
| antman8969 | and it is in /home/anthony/Desktop/linkedup | 22:28 |
| antman8969 | setting that in the custom build step | 22:28 |
| antman8969 | BUT | 22:28 |
| antman8969 | that's because I have a debian driectory in there | 22:29 |
| antman8969 | you would have to copy your qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan directory to testdef/debian | 22:29 |
| antman8969 | for it to work for you, because dpkg expects a debian dir to exist along with your src | 22:29 |
| qgil | ooohh we were almost there | 22:30 |
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| antman8969 | fifer boy had a good solution, making a link to the directory with ln (if you're on linux) | 22:31 |
| qgil | antman8969: I'm in Linux but I can't find this qtc_packaging dir | 22:32 |
| antman8969 | should be inside of testdef/ | 22:32 |
| antman8969 | the one that QtCreator makes | 22:32 |
| qgil | antman8969: I see, so I just need to copy it one level up? | 22:33 |
| antman8969 | and rename it "debian" instead of "debian_harmattan" or w/e | 22:33 |
| antman8969 | ALSO, you need to go into the rules file | 22:33 |
| antman8969 | and make sure dh_shlibdeps is not commented out anymore | 22:33 |
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| antman8969 | or it won't build on the obs | 22:34 |
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| qgil | ok... done, let's see | 22:35 |
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| arfoll | is there a way of getting arch differences in yaml? | 22:35 |
| antman8969 | I made my .spec file by hand :/ | 22:36 |
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| qgil | antman8969: do you mind continuing in #harmattan - this is getting to deb here | 22:38 |
| qgil | too | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: in Patches: you can do arm:patchname.patches | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | for instance | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | or ix86: | 22:39 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps: that's cool but I need to do it for a configure option | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: hmmm.. | 22:40 |
| arfoll | i could patch the configure file in case of arm but thats ugly | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: yes it is | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if that's possible | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: i think you can do arm: there too, give it a try? | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | in ConfigOptions | 22:42 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, ok sec | 22:42 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, cool :-) Thanks alot | 22:43 |
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| antman8969 | afk'd | 22:44 |
| antman8969 | dc'd rather | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: np | 22:44 |
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| jedix | is there any reason rc.local wouldn't be executed after booting? | 22:49 |
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| gabrbedd | jedix: what version of meego? | 22:51 |
| jedix | gabrbedd: 1.2 | 22:53 |
| arfoll | is c.obs being funny again? | 22:53 |
| arfoll | i can't seem to commit my changes to my pkg, the upload fails with a broken pipe error | 22:54 |
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| andyross | Last I remember checking rc.local wasn't wired in meego init. Certainly it's unlikely to survive in systemd in any case. The official startup hook is a sysv init script. | 22:56 |
| jedix | I thnk it's because I was touching a file in a dir that didn't exist | 22:57 |
| jedix | so it exited before finishing | 22:57 |
| gabrbedd | jedix: I can't say. I recall it worked in 1.1, and I'm pretty sure it's replaced by systemd in 1.2.90. | 22:57 |
| jedix | iirc, rc.local does that sort of thing.. but none of my systems seem to have the man page | 22:57 |
| * jedix googles for the man | 22:57 | |
| jedix | ....man page | 22:57 |
| gabrbedd | hee hee | 22:58 |
| CosmoHill | keep away from google images :p | 22:58 |
| andyross | rc.local is just a shell script invoked from /etc/rc or /etc/rc.sysinit or wherever. It's not a core feature really, just a 4BSD compatibility holdover (albeit a useful one -- much simpler than the alternatives) | 22:58 |
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| jedix | yeah | 22:59 |
| jedix | but it exits on a failure, right? | 22:59 |
| jedix | /bin/sh -e | 22:59 |
| andyross | In the sense of "set -e" you mean? Pretty sure no, it should run to completion | 22:59 |
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| jedix | it seems to behave in the `set -e` way | 23:03 |
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| jedix | maybe osmething I'm calling sets it | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | frals, whatever does your last tweet mean? :P | 23:22 |
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| Ulf^ | Stskeeps? | 23:35 |
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