| lbt | meegoexperts_mob: OK .... be like that and ignore me then... see if I care .... *sob* | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | lbt, come to the next meego meetup | 00:01 |
| lbt | lcuk: where/when ? | 00:01 |
| lbt | Reading? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | idk | 00:01 |
| lcuk | miika and I had a few pints in manchester on sunday | 00:01 |
| * lbt invites #meego to his house | 00:01 | |
| lcuk | i think we will be going to september one | 00:01 |
| lcuk | lbt, is the pond without fish ready? | 00:02 |
| lbt | no... but there's an update... | 00:02 |
| * lbt haz big digger!!! | 00:02 | |
| lcuk | and can we fill it with custard for the evening | 00:02 |
| lbt | lcuk: I like it! | 00:02 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid | 00:02 |
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| dneary | hi all | 00:04 |
| lbt | lcuk: seriously ... that bunker is built on thixotropic sand | 00:05 |
| berndhs | i hate the gimp UI | 00:05 |
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| lbt | hey dneary | 00:07 |
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| meegoexperts_mob | sorry, got side tracked by family | 00:16 |
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| npm | anybody built this for exopc: http://drippler.com/nokia_n900/broadcom-crystalhd-decoder-support-for-ffmpeg-and-mplayer | 00:43 |
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| npm | and this: http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/gst-av-0-5-released-now-with-video-encoding-and-decoding-support/ | 00:45 |
| auke | npm: why not build broadcoms crystalhd drivers instead? I think they plug into gstreamer | 00:45 |
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| npm | it that's the better solution that would be cool. it would be nice if at some point our meego's will support the nice hardware on the exopc | 01:05 |
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| npm | it sure would be nice if HD videos off youtube played back w/ acceleration by default in http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/ (which works nice on exopc btw) | 01:07 |
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| npm | but as i'm busy revamping the UI on that, I was hoping there was a magic answer for that... | 01:08 |
| npm | as well as the optional ffmpeg dependency for downloading audio off videos/etc | 01:09 |
| npm | ok back to battling aegis :-) | 01:10 |
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| julienf | hey guys | 01:20 |
| julienf | anyone here? | 01:20 |
| * CosmoHill rattles his cage | 01:20 | |
| thiago | julienf: yes, we're here | 01:22 |
| julienf | :D | 01:24 |
| julienf | been playing with my N950 | 01:24 |
| julienf | and I have a feeling I found a major bug | 01:24 |
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| thiago | where? | 01:24 |
| julienf | memory gets locked into USB mode after charging on computer | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a very old image | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - #harmattan | 01:25 |
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| julienf | SpeedEvil: yes I know.. but I don't have any way to update it.. at least right now.. | 01:25 |
| thiago | use Ovi Suite mode only. And USB networking with SSHFS mounting :-) | 01:25 |
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| julienf | thiago: that's an idea :) | 01:26 |
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| julienf | the problem is that even a reboot does not fix it :( | 01:28 |
| thiago | ACT_DEAD mode | 01:28 |
| thiago | you need a hard reboot. Press the Power key down for 8 seconds | 01:29 |
| thiago | you know when they say in the movies they can track you if you don't take the battery off? Yeah, the phone doesn't actually turn off when you turn it off. | 01:29 |
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| julienf | thiago: thanks :) | 01:30 |
| berndhs | (1) buy Danish Cookies in metal box (2) eat (3) put phone in box | 01:31 |
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| phdeswer | julienf, what do you mean with memory getting locked? | 01:34 |
| julienf | phdeswer: when I go to "camera" it tells me that the device is in USB mode | 01:35 |
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| julienf | thiago: does the same, even after a hard reboot.. | 01:36 |
| phdeswer | julienf, you still have the cable plugged in? And you default to mass storage? | 01:37 |
| julienf | I had a standard nokia charge plugged in | 01:37 |
| julienf | trying without the charger now | 01:37 |
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| phdeswer | julienf, if you can access the memory in other ways (like viewing pics etc you can already eliminate the USB stuff. And you can only do a real reboot if you have no charger/cable plugged in. | 01:40 |
| julienf | phdeswer: I can access the memory but it's read only | 01:40 |
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| julienf | rebooting does not solve the problem | 01:42 |
| dneary | julienf, Salut | 01:42 |
| julienf | dneary: salut :) | 01:42 |
| dneary | julienf, How're things? | 01:42 |
| phdeswer | julienf, and how big is that parition? | 01:42 |
| julienf | dneary: things are good. In Finland right now. Moved permanently... | 01:42 |
| phdeswer | I suspect you have a corrupted emmc | 01:42 |
| dneary | My kids love the slingshot bird... my wife, not so much :) | 01:42 |
| dneary | julienf, I noticed you were spending a lot of time there | 01:43 |
| julienf | dneary: working for Rovio now | 01:43 |
| dneary | Not at OSCON this week, I suppose? (not really on the Rovio radar, I suppose)? | 01:43 |
| julienf | dneary: not really... | 01:43 |
| dneary | julienf, You were working for Rovio last time we spoke too, remember? ;) | 01:43 |
| julienf | phdeswer: partition seems good. I can read, but it's mounted read only | 01:44 |
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| julienf | dneary: yeah, that's true :) | 01:44 |
| phdeswer | julienf, there is a ro fallback in case the emmc gets corrupted. You need to check the size to know. if it is like 128Kb and ro you have a corrupted emmc partition. | 01:45 |
| julienf | it's 6GB | 01:45 |
| phdeswer | hmm weird, should not be ro then. | 01:47 |
| julienf | phdeswer: 2GB for /home and 8 for /hom/user/MyDocs | 01:47 |
| phdeswer | camera gives you a wrong message anyway in case it cannot write to /home/user/MyDocs... | 01:47 |
| phdeswer | (try to explain to the UI people that it is a bad idea) | 01:47 |
| julienf | phdeswer: ok | 01:47 |
| julienf | phdeswer: any idea on how I could recover RW? | 01:48 |
| phdeswer | julienf, first check /etc/fstab to see if the mount options are ok | 01:49 |
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| Termana | morning | 06:09 |
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| FatalSaint | anyone know what the audio backend of MeeGo CE 1.2 is? Gstreamer? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | and pulseaudio | 08:07 |
| FatalSaint | Hrm.. pygst not ported yet? | 08:07 |
| FatalSaint | so close.. yet so far >.< | 08:07 |
| FatalSaint | hrm.. | 08:08 |
| FatalSaint | http://build.meego.com/package/view_file?file=gstreamer-python.spec&package=gstreamer-python&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss&srcmd5=50966dd9c2e3df428cf09f8dd0e65918 | 08:08 |
| FatalSaint | is that functional? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | looks like we have it | 08:08 |
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| FatalSaint | zypper se gstreamer and zypper se python do not show | 08:09 |
| FatalSaint | and importing pygst fails | 08:09 |
| FatalSaint | so I'm missing a repo | 08:09 |
| FatalSaint | or something | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | should be reachable | 08:09 |
| FatalSaint | http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=gstreamer-python&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss | 08:09 |
| FatalSaint | what repo is that from | 08:10 |
| timoph | do zypper ref first | 08:10 |
| FatalSaint | ah, i was wondering what the equivalent of 'update' was that didn't 'update' system libs | 08:10 |
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| FatalSaint | Repository 'non-oss-1.2-daily' is invalid. | 08:11 |
| FatalSaint | [|] Repository type can't be determined. | 08:11 |
| FatalSaint | Please check if the URIs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid repository. | 08:11 |
| FatalSaint | Skipping repository 'non-oss-1.2-daily' because of the above error. | 08:11 |
| FatalSaint | Retrieving repository 'oss-1.2-daily' metadata [error] | 08:11 |
| FatalSaint | Repository 'oss-1.2-daily' is invalid. | 08:11 |
| timoph | old image? | 08:11 |
| FatalSaint | i downloaded it today.. | 08:11 |
| timoph | weird | 08:11 |
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| FatalSaint | it was the 'stable' 1.2 'summer' release or whatever | 08:11 |
| dm8tbr | well if you download 1.0 today, that doesn't make it much newer ;) | 08:11 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 08:12 |
| FatalSaint | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 08:12 |
| FatalSaint | does that help? | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's a maemo release | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:12 |
| timoph | that's not a meego ce image | 08:12 |
| timoph | :) | 08:12 |
| * timoph slow again | 08:12 | |
| FatalSaint | this is what i applied | 08:13 |
| FatalSaint | mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw | 08:13 |
| sofar | that's not a.... ah dang | 08:13 |
| timoph | :D | 08:13 |
| FatalSaint | sysinfo-tool --get /device/sw-release-ver | 08:13 |
| FatalSaint | is what returns that other info | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ignore that | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | we don | 08:13 |
| * dm8tbr sets up his espresso machine in the channel and starts handing out free shots to everyone | 08:13 | |
| Stskeeps | 't patch the sw-release-ver | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: is needed | 08:13 |
| FatalSaint | ah, how do I get MeeGo version then? My software needs to load different backends depending on device >.> | 08:14 |
| timoph | cat /etc/meego-version | 08:14 |
| FatalSaint | ty | 08:14 |
| FatalSaint | cat /etc/meego-version | 08:14 |
| FatalSaint | cat: /etc/meego-version: No such file or directory | 08:14 |
| timoph | hmmh | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | meego-release | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | espresso, people! | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:14 |
| timoph | ah. true | 08:14 |
| FatalSaint | now we're talkin | 08:14 |
| FatalSaint | MeeGo release 1.1.99 (MeeGo) | 08:14 |
| FatalSaint | BUILD: mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1 | 08:14 |
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| * timoph opens a can of energy drink | 08:15 | |
| FatalSaint | I knew I wasn't totally daft | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | FatalSaint: check /etc/zypp/repos.d/ and see if the urls still exist | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes snapshots are removed | 08:15 |
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| timoph | yep. that's almost a month old so the daily repos might be gone | 08:15 |
| FatalSaint | [non-oss-1.2-daily] | 08:15 |
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| FatalSaint | name=non-oss-1.2-daily | 08:15 |
| FatalSaint | failovermethod=priority | 08:15 |
| FatalSaint | baseurl=http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4/repos/non-oss/armv7hl/packages/ | 08:15 |
| FatalSaint | gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego | 08:15 |
| FatalSaint | gpgcheck=1 | 08:16 |
| FatalSaint | enabled=1 | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | pastebin | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | and sure enough | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | repo's gone | 08:16 |
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| FatalSaint | is there somewhere to keep those updated? | 08:16 |
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| FatalSaint | btw, nice seeing you again Skeeps :) | 08:17 |
| dm8tbr | we shouldn't build long-term on daily... | 08:17 |
| timoph | true | 08:17 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: the problem is disk space. Currently CE builds don't publish repos | 08:17 |
| dm8tbr | or we need to mirror the repository and repoint the config | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | FatalSaint: #meego-arm is probably good for this discussion :) | 08:17 |
| dm8tbr | kk | 08:17 |
| timoph | that's blocking currently automated testing... | 08:18 |
| * timoph just relalized that we're not talking in #meego-arm :) | 08:19 | |
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| julienf | hey guys | 10:45 |
| Ronksu | o/ | 10:45 |
| julienf | I am the happy owner of a bricked N950 :) | 10:45 |
| Ronksu | ...that was fast :D | 10:46 |
| dm8tbr | julienf: what did you do? :) | 10:46 |
| vvaltone | order more, and soon you'll have a N950 house | 10:46 |
| julienf | vvaltone: I wish.. Don't think one could build a shed with the amount of N950 produced.. | 10:46 |
| julienf | dm8tbr: had problems with my emmc being read only | 10:46 |
| julienf | so I tried resetting all ways possible | 10:47 |
| julienf | didn't work | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | did you use OCF? | 10:47 |
| julienf | OCF? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | one-click flasher | 10:47 |
| julienf | so I have not done anything so far | 10:47 |
| dm8tbr | btw: this conversation probably belongs in #harmattan | 10:47 |
| julienf | dm8tbr: thanks, heading there :) | 10:48 |
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| lbt_nur | ah | 11:05 |
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| vvaltone | meh, I'm getting 'rpm verify failed' by using 'build' for cross-compilation to arm | 11:08 |
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| vvaltone | pretty sure I imported the right rpm key also | 11:12 |
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| lcuk | morning folks \o | 11:42 |
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| khertan1 | Morning | 11:47 |
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| lcuk | hey khertan1 \o | 11:47 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt_nur: bpmc seems to be experiencing problems? | 11:48 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, khertan1 just said similar | 11:48 |
| dm8tbr | 'Morning' == 'OBS is broken again'? ;-) | 11:49 |
| lcuk | in #harmattan :P | 11:50 |
| lcuk | he should really have posted it here | 11:50 |
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| * lcuk trying something relating to bug 13084 | 11:51 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 11:51 |
| khertan1 | yeah but before boring everyone here i ask in harmattan | 11:55 |
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| vvaltone | yes, idling is exciting | 11:56 |
| lcuk | khertan1, c-obs is in use for all meego ux'es | 11:56 |
| khertan1 | yes i know | 11:57 |
| lcuk | do you have your editor set to build for meego netbook? | 11:57 |
| khertan1 | hum ... just got ssl error with harmattan nokia repository | 11:58 |
| khertan1 | lcuk: not yet ... before i build it for harmattan | 11:58 |
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| khertan1 | lcuk: then i ll try my custom script to do cross rpm/deb build | 11:58 |
| khertan1 | the main problem i ll got for netbook is that harmattan qt component isn't available | 11:59 |
| khertan1 | so i ll need to rewrite the qml ui | 11:59 |
| lcuk | khertan1, sigh | 12:00 |
| khertan1 | the joy of qml | 12:00 |
| lcuk | (not at you, at the compatability inside meego) | 12:00 |
| khertan1 | rewrite for each target / device / version of qt | 12:00 |
| lcuk | new ui for each day of the week? | 12:00 |
| khertan1 | hum ... desktop entry doesn't seems to work, no icon :( | 12:01 |
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| * lcuk installs a whole bunch of things into his n900-ce | 12:10 | |
| vvaltone | do you have it on emmc on it? | 12:11 |
| vvaltone | atleast installing on the sdcard is painfully slow :P | 12:11 |
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| rcg | ah.. seems like obs is back up | 12:13 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, not really an ussue for me | 12:13 |
| lcuk | i am happy on device building and have been since n810 | 12:13 |
| vvaltone | yeah, but I was corrupted by the exopc's ssd | 12:13 |
| * javier rushes into updating a pkg | 12:13 | |
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| lcuk | frade, which mussorgsky would be best to use on tablet ux? | 12:29 |
| lcuk | (spelling apologies) | 12:29 |
| frade | lcuk, what is the toolkit of choice in the tablet ux_ | 12:30 |
| frade | ? | 12:30 |
| frade | I woudl assume that the best option is anything in QML | 12:30 |
| frade | besides, I wonder what album art standard is used in meego | 12:30 |
| frade | the "old" or the "new" one :) | 12:30 |
| lcuk | yeah it would be qml, and meego-ux components | 12:31 |
| frade | (relaxed definition of standard) | 12:31 |
| lcuk | heh yeah, would have to look | 12:31 |
| frade | lcuk, no big changes there... | 12:31 |
| lcuk | but having music collection on historically larger devices | 12:31 |
| frade | probably it takes more time to setup an environment that doing the changes itself | 12:31 |
| lcuk | frade, "standards" http://xkcd.com/927/ | 12:31 |
| frade | meego-ux components are similar to the qt-components? | 12:32 |
| lcuk | i believe so, but I have not looked in detail | 12:32 |
| lcuk | achipa, is there such a thing as a compatabiity chart | 12:33 |
| lcuk | or a flow chart for principle ux development tweaks needed | 12:33 |
| achipa | lcuk: working on it, not public yet, sadly | 12:34 |
| lcuk | achipa, :) warms my heart to know its being worked on | 12:34 |
| lcuk | that is plenty info for me :) | 12:34 |
| achipa | and also it will not include MeeGo UX | 12:35 |
| achipa | just the Nok components | 12:35 |
| achipa | but of course community submissions in terms of porting/diff help is very welcome | 12:35 |
| khertan1 | http://pastebin.com/rJs4mUAN <<< i didn't understand here why my python module isn't found, could be an aegis problem ? | 12:37 |
| lcuk | achipa, on a dancefloor, people follow the lead of others, so once a nokia specific tango starts, the rest will join in :) | 12:38 |
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| lcuk | i was talking with mja about open source | 12:53 |
| lcuk | and how it is only possible to list todos and stuff | 12:54 |
| lcuk | and no real way to try to assign people to roles | 12:54 |
| lcuk | but it is comparable to world of warcraft | 12:54 |
| lcuk | where teams take on challenges | 12:54 |
| lcuk | and end up being assigned roles within that team | 12:54 |
| lcuk | MeeGo really is a MMORPG | 12:55 |
| MSM1 | I like it | 12:56 |
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| vvaltone | lcuk, what's the final boss?-) | 13:06 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, in this instance OBS comes close | 13:06 |
| lcuk | once you get to lvl70 mage and pass that | 13:06 |
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| lcuk | you have to workup MeeGo-Apps so that it lights the way for others | 13:07 |
| khertan1 | hum ... so waiting COBS build something is like waiting monster to repop ? :) | 13:08 |
| lcuk | yes! | 13:08 |
| khertan1 | slow repop ! | 13:09 |
| khertan1 | these aegis introduce change in way to package python apps | 13:09 |
| khertan1 | s/these/that | 13:09 |
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| lcuk | http://www.oinc.net/knownspace/enc/display.php?2355 | 13:11 |
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| lcuk | Louis Wu and Nessus travel on a ship called Aegis | 13:11 |
| lcuk | backstory for mmorpg ;) | 13:11 |
| lcuk | it is a General Products #4 hull | 13:12 |
| lcuk | very secure | 13:12 |
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| rcg | lcuk: well i currently have the feeling that aegis is the ship that takes my package once it has finished building in obs and travels to obs-nirvana with it | 13:14 |
| rcg | btw. did actually anyone manage to get a package out of obs with a valid aegis application id? | 13:15 |
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| lcuk | rcg, hmm so you added manifest and stuff? | 13:16 |
| lcuk | i saw your post on the other island server | 13:16 |
| lcuk | (island of harmattan is a newly opened instance :P) | 13:17 |
| rcg | lcuk: yeah.. with QtSDK and scratchbox it builds fine and gets its id | 13:17 |
| rcg | from my tries i figure that the dpkg-gencontrol used in e.g. scratchbox or that ships with QtSDK is modified so that it picks up *.aegis files | 13:17 |
| lcuk | i would imagine the same | 13:17 |
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| rcg | actually verifying this for the QtSDK right now.. but for scratchbox that definately is the case | 13:17 |
| lcuk | since this is nokia specific right now lets see | 13:18 |
| lcuk | perhaps because you have added specific aegis items filing a real bug report would help | 13:18 |
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| rcg | so i added "aegis-deb-util --add-manifest --manifest=debian/$(APPNAME).aegis ../$(APPNAME)_*_armel.deb --add-digsigsums=/opt/$(APPNAME)/bin/$(APPNAME) --verbose" to the end of binary-arch: build install in my rules file and now every time the packge seems to be stuck in the building step | 13:19 |
| leinir | lcuk: i don't think you quite understand how brilliant your random little idea there was... there's so much opportunity in that statement ;) | 13:19 |
| rcg | though, the building log claims that the build finished | 13:19 |
| lcuk | leinir, I have always considered Open Source community involvement to be it | 13:20 |
| lcuk | that is not the first time I word it like that | 13:20 |
| rcg | lcuk: yeah.. might be worth filing a bug.. just want to verify its not me messing things up before i file it ;) | 13:20 |
| lcuk | leinir, :: | 13:20 |
| lcuk | #MeeGo is an awesome #Linux based #MMORPG where you level up by submitting code patches and conquering the OBS machine! http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/93414143234805760 | 13:20 |
| rcg | anyway, what would be the appropriate place to file such a bug? | 13:21 |
| the-boss | lcuk: Error: "MeeGo" is not a valid command. | 13:21 |
| leinir | lcuk: *giggles* :D | 13:21 |
| lcuk | rcg, well you have used your knowledge to try and use aegis correctly | 13:21 |
| lcuk | therefore having you helping the admins by working through a bug would be good | 13:21 |
| lcuk | (rather than most people spouting random aegis stuff without real understanding | 13:22 |
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| leinir | lcuk: well, i don't like using that term, because it's been washed out so much lately... but gamification is what i meant - right now there's only real world benefits in there, but people, you know... like badges and points ;) | 13:22 |
| leinir | (*giggles* only real world benefits ;) ) | 13:22 |
| lcuk | leinir, :D | 13:22 |
| lcuk | achievement unlocked: Bug Slayer, resolved 10 bugs | 13:23 |
| leinir | exactly ;) | 13:23 |
| lcuk | achievement unlocked: Bug Doctor, triaged 5 bugs | 13:23 |
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| MSM|Cat | leinir http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ | 13:24 |
| lcuk | achievement unlocked: Wizard, used aegis correctly in a package | 13:24 |
| lcuk | leinir, feel free to writeup a set of joking awards | 13:24 |
| lcuk | if you do it on wiki page I bet people would add their own | 13:24 |
| lcuk | from laughter comes ideas | 13:24 |
| leinir | lcuk: *giggles* i'm not really joking here, though, i really think there's some serious potential in it :) Yes, it's lulz, and that's exactly why it makes sense to do it :D | 13:25 |
| lcuk | leinir, then start the page | 13:29 |
| lcuk | add this conversation as the motivation/notes part | 13:30 |
| leinir | Totally :) | 13:30 |
| * leinir ponders on where to put it... | 13:31 | |
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| lcuk | MeeGoVerse | 13:32 |
| leinir | Ha, good thinking ;) | 13:32 |
| lcuk | leinir, on the main page of the wiki :P | 13:32 |
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| jussi | hrm, I have nokia's meego running in scratchbox/xephyr, how do I get more apps? is there some repos somewhere that allow me to get stuff? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | #harmattan :) | 13:38 |
| the-boss | Stskeeps: Error: "harmattan" is not a valid command. | 13:38 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: right :( | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | #the-boss-needs-to-stop-doing-the-valid-command-checking-in-this-channel | 13:40 |
| the-boss | lcuk: Error: "the-boss-needs-to-stop-doing-the-valid-command-checking-in-this-channel" is not a valid command. | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | using a different command-character might help | 13:41 |
| lcuk | lbt & | 13:41 |
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| khertan1 | #killall the-boss | 13:43 |
| the-boss | khertan1: Error: "killall" is not a valid command. | 13:43 |
| khertan1 | :) | 13:43 |
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| vvaltone | lcuk, heh, Achievements for Bugzilla ;P | 13:47 |
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| lcuk | fastest growing and exciting organisations. Ideally you should have been in a senior role, and team leading experience would be a bonus. | 13:50 |
| lcuk | Tasks Include: | 13:50 |
| lcuk | Perform detailed analysis and design activities striving to improve business processes | 13:50 |
| lcuk | Lead a team of 4 Developers | 13:50 |
| lcuk | To ensure the departments assigned are happy with the working relationship and software delivered | 13:50 |
| lcuk | To ensure standards and procedures are adhered to and documentation is maintained | 13:50 |
| lcuk | To develop high performance generic infrastructure for all major developments and to ensure that duplication of effort is minimised | 13:50 |
| lcuk | To assist with the development and maintenance of all internal system | 13:50 |
| lcuk | To ensure high availability of all systems by ensuring all software is tested to a high degree | 13:50 |
| lcuk | To ensure security is always maintained within sensitive areas of the system and can be modified by staff with appropriate permissions | 13:50 |
| lcuk | To ensure that all issues are reported and dealt with in a timely fashion | 13:50 |
| lcuk | :O gah paste error | 13:50 |
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| leinir | there we go :) | 14:02 |
| leinir | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGoVerse <-- anybody wanna help? ;) | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | leinir, :D | 14:07 |
| * lcuk afk eating lunch and reading chapter of Niven book | 14:08 | |
| leinir | lcuk: absolutely *giggles* :) | 14:08 |
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| vvaltone | Master of All Trades: Resolved bugs in all categories ;P | 14:09 |
| leinir | vvaltone: *giggles* Good one, add it! :) | 14:09 |
| vvaltone | didn't realize I was logged in | 14:10 |
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| hirabayashitaro | hi all. I've been absent for a while but... is meego still alive? | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, very muchly so | 14:23 |
| * lcuk is afk though | 14:23 | |
| hirabayashitaro | because I was looking to plans for 1.3 | 14:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | and noticed that there are no plans | 14:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | at least here | 14:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.3 | 14:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | nothing that could be compared with 1.2 | 14:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | bug/feature plans ecc... | 14:25 |
| kuzak | that's why it's a wiki, you can add them there ;) | 14:25 |
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| rcg | lcuk: jfyi i filed a bug about the aegis online builder issues: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21885 | 14:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 21885 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Aegis manifests are not correctly handled/created by the builder. | 14:26 |
| hirabayashitaro | well, I can only hope in a better future | 14:27 |
| vvaltone | yes, meego has moved to only doing releases, not actual features, the management has taken over ;P | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, hm | 14:36 |
| lcuk | there are certainly things expected for 1.3, latest qt and wayland being worked on now for instance | 14:37 |
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| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: The problem is that I'm not understanding the target of meego. Is it the end user? is it nokia? are other producers? | 14:40 |
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| leinir | Yes ;) | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, Nokia is but one manufacturer, Intel have the MeeGo-UX out and there are a growing set of devices which are using meego (see formeego.com site) | 14:42 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, but for end users I agree | 14:42 |
| lcuk | having the open meego.com instances unable to play "normal" music and video files is to me a blocker from takeup | 14:43 |
| hirabayashitaro | This is "… for MeeGo". A community (hardware adaptation) place for MeeGo. Coming soon! | 14:43 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, did I get the link correct? | 14:43 |
| dm8tbr | huh? | 14:44 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, the formeego site hosts images built using meego for the various pieces of hardware out there | 14:44 |
| dm8tbr | ah yes | 14:44 |
| dm8tbr | images.formeego.org | 14:44 |
| hirabayashitaro | I'm sorry to say it in a so direct way, but meego is entirely a big coming soon project | 14:44 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, say it in a direct way | 14:45 |
| dm8tbr | meego tries to be a linux base for large scale corporate products. full stop | 14:45 |
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| hirabayashitaro | I see all your points | 14:46 |
| hirabayashitaro | but meego to grow has to be based on someone's work | 14:46 |
| lcuk | a real question about something like mp3 | 14:46 |
| lcuk | how come ubuntu or debian or other linux distributions can include support for them | 14:46 |
| lcuk | but in meego it is seemingly not possible | 14:46 |
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| dm8tbr | lcuk: for exactly that reason. patented (wherever in the world) technology is to be licensed by the company making the actual product | 14:47 |
| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: how's canonical doing? | 14:47 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: I agree though that outside the corporate thing meego should be also the 'community thing' (that's what others and I'm fighting for). | 14:48 |
| lcuk | I am asking that question which comes up when first testing | 14:48 |
| dm8tbr | meego core needs to be as pure as possible though | 14:48 |
| pebcak | lcuk sure debian supports them in main? | 14:49 |
| pebcak | ubuntu usually doesn't give a shit | 14:49 |
| lcuk | pebcak, no I am not and gladly shown/told otherwise | 14:49 |
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| pebcak | but I bet it's in non-free or contrib in debian | 14:49 |
| pebcak | and it's not lame | 14:49 |
| pebcak | lame isn't included at all | 14:49 |
| hirabayashitaro | pebcak: as far as I know debian do not | 14:49 |
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| pebcak | it's libmad | 14:49 |
| lcuk | but I got the .ogv video from meego n900-ce and put it onto meego harmattan | 14:50 |
| lcuk | and harmattan will not play the video | 14:50 |
| lcuk | (to flip the problem on its head) | 14:50 |
| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: I do not get the problem, you cannot simply use the codecs that ubuntu uses | 14:50 |
| dm8tbr | yes, a corporate entity may decide to not be meego compliant. and if they are not nokia then they won't be able to label it meego. | 14:51 |
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| pebcak | hirabayashitaro http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmad0 | 14:51 |
| lcuk | what is libmad? | 14:51 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, I know we cannot use the same codecs, but the question from people is not about codecs, it is "why won't my music play" | 14:51 |
| lcuk | and I do understand the issues | 14:52 |
| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: anyway my point is different | 14:52 |
| pebcak | lcuk a free mp3 audio implementation | 14:52 |
| lcuk | pebcak, submit one to core | 14:52 |
| hirabayashitaro | what I want to say is that if you point to hardware producers you're probably doing good | 14:52 |
| hirabayashitaro | but you don't have to expect something from the community | 14:53 |
| hirabayashitaro | because you're not offering any feedback to them | 14:53 |
| hirabayashitaro | I personally filed some bugs that has been at least partially ignored | 14:53 |
| pebcak | lcuk libmad is a free mp3 audio implementation, you asked what it is | 14:54 |
| lcuk | ahh pebcak | 14:54 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, ignored for what reason? difficulty of curing or that the wrong person was assigned to them? | 14:55 |
| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: I think it is simply lack of workers | 14:56 |
| dm8tbr | hirabayashitaro: yes, the community needs to gain a stronger standing, but that will not come by itself | 14:56 |
| dm8tbr | that might be because nokia has left quite a vacuum in many areas | 14:56 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, then how do we resolve this, do we petition the TSG to try to assign more to areas | 14:57 |
| lcuk | and if doing so, how do we identify areas requiring more | 14:57 |
| berndhs | fixing connman needs more people :p | 14:57 |
| lcuk | are there decent bugzilla reports available which may highlight and give aim to folks | 14:57 |
| lcuk | andre__, && | 14:57 |
| lcuk | berndhs connman has more activity every day than other areas around meego | 14:58 |
| hirabayashitaro | dm8tbr: I agree about nokia | 14:58 |
| berndhs | lcuk: well then, perhaps it needs fewer people but different ones | 14:58 |
| lcuk | I follow their mailing list and they even get patches | 14:58 |
| andre__ | lcuk, what kind of reports? | 14:59 |
| lcuk | andre__, identification of problem areas | 14:59 |
| lcuk | where most bugs and activity is | 14:59 |
| lcuk | so that the workforce could be assigned to best effect | 14:59 |
| vvaltone | what workforce? | 15:00 |
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| berndhs | "workforce" sounds like there are hundreds of them :) | 15:01 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, the people working on components and pieces around meego | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | well a good developer has strength of 10 men ;) | 15:02 |
| andre__ | lcuk, sounds a bit like https://qa-dashboard.meego.com/ . I wonder why that page has still a login. | 15:02 |
| vvaltone | So how will you coerce the workforce into complying?-) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, well the TSG needs prodding | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | the TSG we haven't heard from in ages.. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:03 |
| lcuk | with real stats and figures about where concentrated effort should occur | 15:03 |
| berndhs | maybe the workforce just needs reshuffling, like they do in sports teams, trading managers and players | 15:03 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yes | 15:03 |
| berndhs | TSG is having long meetings with Elvis I think | 15:03 |
| lcuk | berndhs, indeed | 15:03 |
| vvaltone | I think the Barbarian route of stealing developers would work better | 15:03 |
| vvaltone | invading one of the other embedded projects | 15:04 |
| berndhs | hey, I'm available too | 15:04 |
| lcuk | we have to start somewhere | 15:04 |
| lcuk | and giving tsg some input might re-motivate that area | 15:04 |
| vvaltone | looks like my N900 spontaneously rebooted | 15:05 |
| pebcak | you could always "buy" devs instead of stealing... :P | 15:05 |
| lcuk | I worked around bug 13084 this morning | 15:05 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 15:05 |
| lcuk | i would prefer a real fix | 15:05 |
| lcuk | ! | 15:05 |
| * lcuk hasn't the skills | 15:05 | |
| lcuk | but someone inside intel or even Nokia does | 15:05 |
| lcuk | since it effects harmattan too | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: and the owner of the component has left to intel and hence not likely to work on it | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 15:05 |
| lcuk | well if he is in intel | 15:05 |
| vvaltone | vsync issues huh | 15:05 |
| lcuk | we should get him working on it for us | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | they don't touch n900 | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | : | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | P | 15:06 |
| vvaltone | lcuk, demonstrate it happening on a exopc | 15:06 |
| lcuk | I work around linux | 15:06 |
| berndhs | why would anyone commercial work on n900 ? | 15:06 |
| lcuk | but if I notice a bug in windows I help | 15:06 |
| lcuk | berndhs, performance optimisation reasons | 15:07 |
| berndhs | well if they translate to current and future devices, yes | 15:07 |
| lcuk | learning how to handle and create a usable ux in 600mhz | 15:07 |
| lcuk | improves battery life at 2ghz | 15:07 |
| berndhs | but they are just as likely to work on future devices directly | 15:07 |
| hirabayashitaro | n900 is a case in point... is the only device actually running meego... it should be taken in maximum respect isn't it? | 15:07 |
| vvaltone | doesn't it make sense to use opengl for video output instead of xv? | 15:07 |
| lcuk | and Nokia could have n900 bugs fixed for harmattan sake | 15:08 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, really? | 15:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | If everyone were compelled to do all dev work targetting (and indeed compiling on) 2 year old hardware, things would be a _lot_ better. | 15:08 |
| vvaltone | lcuk, well, yes | 15:08 |
| lcuk | opengl has to use pixel shaders to translate the 2d YUV video into 2d RGB video | 15:08 |
| lcuk | then send it over the data bus | 15:08 |
| vvaltone | afaik none of the embedded hardware support video overlays | 15:08 |
| lcuk | roughly 20% more data | 15:08 |
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| vvaltone | or do they? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | and the graphics chip at the end takes YUV natively | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | well the n900 and n950 appear to | 15:09 |
| berndhs | device manufacturers want to sell their new devices, not make their old ones better | 15:09 |
| lcuk | and my meego ideapad does | 15:09 |
| lcuk | berndhs, of course | 15:09 |
| vvaltone | I wonder if anyone's thought up a xv system for wayland | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Then there is pentile which is jumping in with both feet. | 15:09 |
| lcuk | based on testing, the n9 may have this bug | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I do wonder how native pentile support would work. | 15:09 |
| vvaltone | lcuk, none of the desktop hardware these days support video overlays atleast :P | 15:10 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, IDK | 15:10 |
| lcuk | desktop is different | 15:10 |
| vvaltone | yeah, but I'd imagine on embedded you'd want to reuse as much as possible | 15:10 |
| lcuk | desktop down to embedded is hard | 15:10 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 15:10 | |
| lcuk | since desktop code is fat and doesn't care about power management | 15:10 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, how would you do native pentile? | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Say 'you can use any desktop code from 2001 or earlier' :) | 15:11 |
| lcuk | would it be like a yuv format? | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I'm unsure. | 15:11 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, drool, I keep suggesting as such | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Some are even RGBW | 15:11 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i think similar when I hear about linux on e-ink displays | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I think the 'best' way is to have 'X' (weyland, ...) understand it deeply. | 15:12 |
| lcuk | and bet they use RGB drivers | 15:12 |
| lcuk | and crute force greyscale at the end of the path | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Pentile - now - the display has RGB drivers, and it hacks. | 15:12 |
| lcuk | brute | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 15:12 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, same will be as e-ink then | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The fun part is that the geometry is wierd, and the colour explicitly varies. | 15:13 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:13 |
| lcuk | combined with different data layout required for orientation changes | 15:13 |
| lcuk | it is likely to be an output filter | 15:13 |
| lcuk | on normal rgb | 15:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think you can - if you're clever - and can cheat a bit - for example - never ever use 'black' as a backgroun, minimum 20% say - do interesting anti-aliasing/error diffusion things on the background. | 15:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | To get it to look lots better than naive implementations. | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | The insane part is that what I could come up with in half an hour of thinking about it on pen and paper is probably the subject of 18 patents. | 15:14 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, similar occurs based on which YUV data layout is in use | 15:14 |
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| bkalinga | is there any MeeGo based tablet in that market that I can buy | 15:22 |
| bkalinga | https://meego.com/devices does not have a page for tablet entry...it has for others | 15:23 |
| vvaltone | not yet | 15:23 |
| vvaltone | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/acer-unveils-meego-tablet-running-on-intel-atom-cpu/ | 15:24 |
| bergie | and maybe http://cordiatab.com/ :-) | 15:27 |
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| vvaltone | I expect the M500 will be out before that :P | 15:28 |
| vvaltone | I don't think there's any devices with MeeGo installed on them shipping tho (of any category)? | 15:29 |
| Dotti | WeTab? | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | using my ideapad as a book reader and its heavy | 15:32 |
| lcuk | what is the lightest meego compatible device? | 15:32 |
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| vvaltone | that looks suspiciously like a exopc | 15:33 |
| khertan1 | lcuk: hum lightest meego compatible device ? n950 .... :) | 15:34 |
| chouchoune | vvaltone: Intel's reference designe I'ld say | 15:34 |
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| vvaltone | well, they say it's based on 'Tablet PC Lucid' from 'Pegatron' | 15:35 |
| vvaltone | and exopc is made by pegatron :P | 15:36 |
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| lcuk | khertan1, lol | 15:36 |
| lcuk | wrong size | 15:36 |
| bkalinga | so nothing is yet in the market that comes with MeeGo preinstalled | 15:36 |
| lcuk | khertan1, http://liqbase.net/liq.20110725_163156.liqbookreader.scr.png | 15:37 |
| lcuk | 2 page side by side reading is ont practical on n950 | 15:37 |
| lcuk | single page is | 15:37 |
| lcuk | but that is not what I am thinking | 15:37 |
| vvaltone | eink stuff is so much better for books :P | 15:37 |
| lcuk | incidentally, kinetic scrolling that 2 page thing is awesome | 15:37 |
| lcuk | it is like a book++ | 15:37 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, i disagree | 15:38 |
| vvaltone | the problem with expanding on the book concept is that people like books :P | 15:38 |
| lcuk | i read often in total darkness | 15:38 |
| lcuk | so having a device with CBD would make it great | 15:38 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, my missus reads real books | 15:40 |
| vvaltone | mind, the exopc isn't very light | 15:40 |
| lcuk | she says the thing missing is book smell | 15:40 |
| vvaltone | I personally don't care about smell or texture | 15:40 |
| vvaltone | digital storage is just immensely more convenient as you don't clutter vast areas with small blocks of processed trees :P | 15:41 |
| * lcuk adores walking round real library | 15:41 | |
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| berndhs | on the other hand, you need batteries | 15:43 |
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| vvaltone | the eink readers last weeks | 15:44 |
| berndhs | digital storage needs a continuous stream of money to access it | 15:44 |
| berndhs | the batteries in books last for centuries | 15:45 |
| lcuk | berndhs, one solar powered laptop | 15:45 |
| vvaltone | heh | 15:45 |
| bkalinga | somewhere I read about MSI MeeGo tablet .. anyone has any idea about it | 15:45 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, hm | 15:48 |
| bkalinga | lcuk: any pointer where MSI announced MeeGo Based tablets | 15:49 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, use internet powered search engine perhaps | 15:49 |
| slaine | I only remember a netbook announcement recently | 15:50 |
| slaine | and I thought it was Samsung | 15:50 |
| bkalinga | lcuk: already did that...only I get is MSI meeGo netbook no tablet related stuff | 15:50 |
| lcuk | loads of people I know have samsung mobiles | 15:50 |
| lcuk | my mum keeps asking me to send smses using the vkb | 15:51 |
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| * lcuk ponders idly buying an apple ma | 15:52 | |
| lcuk | c | 15:52 |
| vvaltone | yes, I'm guilty of owning a samsung mobile too | 15:52 |
| vvaltone | albeit it's the google branded one | 15:52 |
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| vvaltone | the cordia tab looks interesting since it only weighs 450g as opposed to to the 1kg the exo weighs :P | 15:55 |
| dm8tbr | Archos 101 (both gen8 and gen9) are pretty light weight too and also open for meego (or whatever linux userspace you come up with) | 15:59 |
| dm8tbr | there's also the 70 and the 80 | 15:59 |
| lcuk | can you use ipad to develop ipad/iphone apps? | 16:00 |
| bergie | lcuk: nope | 16:00 |
| bergie | you need a mac | 16:00 |
| lcuk | bergie, sigh | 16:00 |
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| bergie | I think the only devices I've seen people doing on-device development on have been the Maemo series | 16:01 |
| vvaltone | maemo series? | 16:01 |
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| slaine | n[78][01]0 | 16:02 |
| vvaltone | I wouldn't really want to build on a <600mhz arm :P | 16:02 |
| lcuk | bergie, big host machine (tablet) developing for itself and lesser would be dreamy | 16:02 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, why? | 16:02 |
| vvaltone | slow | 16:02 |
| lcuk | i happily build on device | 16:02 |
| lcuk | not really | 16:02 |
| lcuk | and on device compilation got round worse problem | 16:02 |
| lcuk | i had windows machine | 16:02 |
| lcuk | so could not do native desktop compiling | 16:02 |
| lcuk | and had to installed vmware image | 16:03 |
| lcuk | to install scratchbox within | 16:03 |
| lcuk | to fudge head up trying to understand it | 16:03 |
| berndhs | run a VM on a really fast desktop, will be faster than the real device :) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | it was like watching Inception | 16:03 |
| slaine | luck, I'm a mac user and I'm not sure on how well MeeGo dev will work out there, not taken the plunge to install the SDK as of yet | 16:03 |
| slaine | lcuk: even | 16:03 |
| lcuk | slaine, if all development was on device | 16:03 |
| lcuk | it wouldnt really matter what host os was using | 16:04 |
| lcuk | as long as ssh and code editor is available | 16:04 |
| bergie | vvaltone: and it is even less of a problem when you work with something interpreted, like Python or QML | 16:04 |
| slaine | nod, that's how I work mostly (linux dev to device via ssh, or ssh to a buildhost) | 16:04 |
| lcuk | yep | 16:04 |
| lcuk | bergie, indeed | 16:04 |
| lcuk | bergie, I saw you wanted some introspection stuff on twitter? | 16:04 |
| slaine | However, I've a few Qt Quick project ideas that I want to get started on but haven't decided on the platform as of yet | 16:05 |
| bergie | lcuk: yep, see http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/php_and_gobject_introspection/ | 16:05 |
| vvaltone | bergie, heh, well, I've only worked on the stacks lower than ui glue | 16:05 |
| lcuk | bergie, are you looking for someone to do the work for you? | 16:05 |
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| bergie | vvaltone: for Maemo5 there was even an "IDE": http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/pygtkeditor/ | 16:05 |
| bergie | lcuk: correct | 16:05 |
| vvaltone | I've built some stuff on the exo tho | 16:06 |
| vvaltone | it's quite faster compared to the arms tho | 16:06 |
| lcuk | bergie, khertan1 spent many hours on train journeys with only his Maemo device | 16:06 |
| lcuk | really an inspiration to folks | 16:06 |
| bergie | I'm working on a graphical programming tool that would run on multitouch devices | 16:06 |
| bergie | https://github.com/bergie/noflo | 16:06 |
| bergie | that might be fun on a MeeGo tablet | 16:07 |
| lcuk | cool | 16:07 |
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| bergie | lcuk: anyway, if you're interested in that GIR project, read the post and get back to me | 16:08 |
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| khertan1 | bergie: lcuk: PyGtkEditor is the Gtk old grand father of KhtEditor :) | 16:13 |
| khertan1 | both are my babies | 16:13 |
| khertan1 | :) | 16:13 |
| khertan1 | and yes i do on device devel this is why i really like this n950, fast, nice keyboard and come with python 2.6 ;) | 16:14 |
| khertan1 | s/do/do code | 16:14 |
| khertan1 | it s easier to code on an maemo/meego handset device than using using a netbook while standing up in the metro | 16:15 |
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| khertan1 | lcuk: first preview release of khteditor is available in my c-obs home project. Open, save, save-as and basic feature are working nothing fancy yet. But it s better than vi :) | 16:20 |
| khertan1 | lcuk: for harmattan only for the moment | 16:20 |
| lcuk | bergie, I do not have the skills but hopefully one of the 47odd folks here might | 16:21 |
| lcuk | and may be in a position to perform required tasks | 16:21 |
| lcuk | khertan1, of course I know of its history :D | 16:21 |
| bergie | khertan1: if you add support for CoffeeScript into that, you'll be my personal hero :-) | 16:21 |
| khertan1 | CoffeeScript ... | 16:23 |
| bergie | CoffeeScript is http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/ | 16:23 |
| khertan1 | any link ? | 16:23 |
| khertan1 | thx :) | 16:23 |
| * lcuk drinks coffee and reads about coffeescript | 16:23 | |
| jykae | AppleScript :) | 16:24 |
| khertan1 | oh something to avoid javascript ... | 16:24 |
| khertan1 | hum ... nice | 16:24 |
| bergie | I'm mostly hacking coffee these days | 16:24 |
| bergie | really nice small language, and because it compiles to JS you can run it *everywhere* | 16:24 |
| lcuk | bergie, maemo/meego? | 16:24 |
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| bergie | lcuk: you could run it in the browser JS engine for now | 16:25 |
| bergie | and we're looking at packaging node.js to MeeGo | 16:25 |
| jykae | bergie: you have any shots of noflo ? | 16:26 |
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| bergie | jykae: it doesn't have the GUI yet, as I've focused on the engine | 16:26 |
| jykae | uh, ok | 16:26 |
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| bergie | but it will probably look a lot like http://jsplumb.org/jquery/draggableConnectorsDemo.html | 16:26 |
| khertan1 | bergie: it should not be difficult | 16:27 |
| jykae | "handcrafted" code :P | 16:27 |
| bergie | khertan1: that'd be great | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | jykae, tagline for maemo is "Code in your hands" | 16:33 |
| lcuk | or somesuch | 16:34 |
| bergie | yeah, I remember seeing that in some shirts | 16:34 |
| bergie | probably back in 770 days | 16:35 |
| lcuk | bergie, http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/1892793002_65c48039b9.jpg | 16:35 |
| slaine | ok, after some further checks there, Qt Creator is just unusual on on 1024x600 displays | 16:35 |
| slaine | unusable too, lol | 16:36 |
| lcuk | slaine, yeah | 16:36 |
| lcuk | that would be why having visual studio 6 or similar on the device | 16:36 |
| lcuk | an IDE from the times when 800*600 was considered high tech! | 16:36 |
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| bergie | another reason to hack with vim ;-) | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | lol | 16:37 |
| slaine | So it's either native Mac OS install of the SDK or Virtual Box install of Linux distro and SDK on that | 16:37 |
| lcuk | I have been tinkering inside a liq* module for a while | 16:37 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110607_220246.liqdesign2.scr.png | 16:37 |
| lcuk | yeah slaine | 16:37 |
| bergie | lcuk: hey, I'm in your screenshot! | 16:38 |
| lcuk | :D lol bergie yes | 16:38 |
| slaine | I'll try the OS X install and see how that goes, I imagine I'll end up in Virtual Box :( | 16:39 |
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| sivang | so, I'm already an Explorer | 16:39 |
| bergie | lcuk: related to your liq stuff and noflo, it might be cool to have UI where you can actually *draw* the graphs you want to run, not just drag boxes and arrows around | 16:39 |
| lcuk | its a bunch of avatars I grabbed ages ago as a placeholder for a proper user grid | 16:39 |
| sivang | and a Butterfky | 16:39 |
| sivang | Butterfly | 16:39 |
| sivang | lcuk: :) | 16:39 |
| sivang | what does one earn for loosing his job for participating in MeeGo events? :) | 16:40 |
| sivang | and is Aegis so hard to use? ;) | 16:40 |
| sivang | nice idea, indeed. MMORPG | 16:40 |
| * lcuk agrees | 16:42 | |
| lcuk | sivang, unknown, dedication perhaps | 16:42 |
| lcuk | bergie, drawing on the modern devices hmm | 16:42 |
| lcuk | my 10" ideapad capacitive | 16:43 |
| lcuk | I actually get roughly same drawing precision on there with finger | 16:43 |
| lcuk | as I got on the n900 with stylus | 16:43 |
| sivang | lcuk: LOL | 16:43 |
| lcuk | infact, slightly less | 16:43 |
| lcuk | it is actually difficult to tell whether I used 10" capacitive or 4" resistive | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | having a 10" resistive/wacom based input device gives so much better | 16:44 |
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| lcuk | my recent contacts grid stuff has all the collabora colleagues since they have avatars in xmpp stuff | 16:45 |
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| sivang | anyway, laters. | 16:48 |
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| DawnFoster | community office meeting starting in about 10 minutes in #meego-meeting: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 16:48 |
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| bergie | DawnFoster: unfortunately I have an overlapping IRL meeting so I won't be there | 16:49 |
| DawnFoster | bergie: no worries. Meetbot will have minutes for you :) | 16:49 |
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| slaine | lcuk: shite, looks like I need Qt 4.8 beta to run on Lion | 16:57 |
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| lcuk | slaine, language | 16:58 |
| lcuk | lions typically require lots of food | 16:58 |
| lcuk | will qt 4.8 satisfy it? | 16:58 |
| slaine | Seems to | 16:59 |
| slaine | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/7984 | 16:59 |
| slaine | Last post mentions modifying one of the Qt headers to avoid the warnings | 16:59 |
| slaine | suck it and see as the ad says | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | if anyone has forgotten, we have community office meeting in #meego-meeting now :) | 17:03 |
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| berndhs | Stskeeps: ask them how I know if my device request is (1) lost (2) ignored (3) denied (4) in process :) | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: probably the wrong forum | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | ask the DDP | 17:05 |
| berndhs | whats DDP ? | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | developer device programme, if you talk about the n950 one | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:05 |
| berndhs | no i'm takling about the exopc one | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:05 |
| slaine | Community Device Program probably hasn't progressed | 17:05 |
| berndhs | tthere is a world outside n9xx :) | 17:06 |
| slaine | I'll ask though | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: yes, my cupboard full of devices | 17:06 |
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| berndhs | there is a front end to the device program where you can submit requests, I don't know if that's all there is to the program | 17:06 |
| slaine | berndhs: there's the people that interface with the community and the device manufacturer, the committee that decides if you should get one or not etc. | 17:08 |
| berndhs | probably more money spent on time in meetings than the device is worth :) | 17:08 |
| DawnFoster | or you can just ask me :) | 17:08 |
| DawnFoster | the expopc program is running behind. | 17:09 |
| slaine | berndhs: doubt it. There's been a lot on and there was a period to allow for people to apply | 17:09 |
| berndhs | ok DawnFoster: i'll send you email ? | 17:09 |
| DawnFoster | I've had some personal family stuff to deal with & haven't been able to finish it | 17:09 |
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| DawnFoster | berndhs: sure. dawn.m.foster@intel.com | 17:10 |
| berndhs | DawnFoster: ok, thanks | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | timoph, done what? | 17:20 |
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| timoph | lcuk: visited meego events in 3 different countries :) | 17:22 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:22 |
| timoph | also I added a few more to the list | 17:22 |
| lcuk | timoph, well then "designed badges for achievements" would be a good achievement ;) | 17:22 |
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| timoph | :) | 17:23 |
| lcuk | oh I like your thinking timoph :D | 17:23 |
| lcuk | adding forum achievements | 17:23 |
| timoph | yep | 17:23 |
| timoph | also for thanking other people not just getting them | 17:24 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:24 |
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| timoph | how about "appeared in DawnFoster's community metrics x times" | 17:25 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:26 |
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| DawnFoster | :) | 17:26 |
| lcuk | does that make DawnFoster a level boss? :P | 17:26 |
| timoph | it does :) | 17:26 |
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| lcuk | dneary, added "statistician: Generated 3 business reports from MeeGo data sources. " to the http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGoVerse | 17:34 |
| * lcuk really likes this MMORPG stuff, leinir you are awesome for advancing it | 17:35 | |
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| slaine | Who here is the guy that runs the meegoexperts site ? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | meegoexperts | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:03 |
| dneary | slaine: That's Ash | 18:03 |
| dneary | slaine, Remember him from Dublin? | 18:03 |
| slaine | Ah, thanks, knew I met him, but couldn't remember who he was | 18:04 |
| slaine | And who was the chap with the top not ? | 18:04 |
| dneary | The top not? | 18:04 |
| slaine | A top not is long hair in a pony tail but having the sides and back shaved tigh | 18:04 |
| slaine | t | 18:05 |
| dneary | Ah | 18:05 |
| slaine | He was in the San Fran video | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds a bit like leinir | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | leinir: | 18:05 |
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| leinir | Hehe, yeah, that was me :) | 18:05 |
| dneary | was he wearing black with eyebrow piercings? | 18:05 |
| slaine | Was at the table with me getting the IdeaPads and commented on my Iain M Banks book | 18:05 |
| dneary | Oh, no - yeah, that's leinir | 18:05 |
| slaine | Ah, hey leinir | 18:06 |
| leinir | 'lo :) | 18:06 |
| slaine | I was getting Ash and yourself confused | 18:06 |
| dneary | It's not a top knot? | 18:06 |
| DawnFoster | *looks at a stack of Iain M. Banks books in my office* | 18:06 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 18:06 |
| * slaine High 5's DawnFoster | 18:06 | |
| * lcuk goes reading next ouple of chapers of Niven book | 18:06 | |
| lcuk | couple as well | 18:06 |
| * lcuk notes his keyboard misses many letters | 18:07 | |
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| * slaine lols, looks like I made the May metrics list. | 18:10 | |
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| dneary | :) | 18:13 |
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| khertan1 | bergie: coffeescript highlighting should be available in next version of KhtEditor QML Edition | 18:24 |
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| lcuk | khertan1, :D | 18:35 |
| lcuk | does it have native c highlighting? | 18:35 |
| lcuk | or even c++ too | 18:35 |
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| khertan1 | what did you mean by native ? | 18:36 |
| khertan1 | there 3 highlighter : - one which is python and adapt depends of version of python available on device | 18:37 |
| khertan1 | - one generic using xml syntax file i write or converted from kate or gtksourceview | 18:37 |
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| khertan1 | - the last use pygments in case of i forgot some language :) | 18:37 |
| lcuk | khertan1, I mean can it do highlighting for C? | 18:38 |
| khertan1 | of course | 18:38 |
| khertan1 | :) | 18:38 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:38 |
| khertan1 | http://khertan.net/khteditor <<< the supported language | 18:38 |
| lcuk | i will have a test running it on my 1.1 ideapad | 18:38 |
| khertan1 | some are missing in the list | 18:38 |
| khertan1 | lcuk: i doubt it ll works (qml qt harmattan component :) ) | 18:38 |
| khertan1 | qtquick powa ... mouarf | 18:39 |
| khertan1 | so ... bye everyone go back to home :) | 18:39 |
| lcuk | \o thanks khertan1 | 18:39 |
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| CosmoHill | thing crashed constantly until I ran windows update, then it crashed not so much | 18:49 |
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| realsportcars | hi | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | should that be "real sports cars"? | 19:08 |
| realsportcars | no no this is "realsportcars" :P | 19:09 |
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| lcuk | is it realsport as in Southport? | 19:09 |
| * lcuk once went to a car showroom in Southport | 19:09 | |
| realsportcars | never been to Southport | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | I have, it's near North Bridge | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | ba ba tish | 19:10 |
| lcuk | is your showroom in Realspot nice? | 19:10 |
| lcuk | *Realsport | 19:10 |
| lcuk | \o CosmoHill btw | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, I did some tinkering at weekend with liqbook | 19:11 |
| realsportcars | first time here...a lot of people! | 19:11 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110725_163156.liqbookreader.scr.png | 19:11 |
| lcuk | made it closer to book format | 19:11 |
| lcuk | but that page is fully kinetic | 19:12 |
| lcuk | so both sides scroll smoothly | 19:12 |
| * lcuk finds the effect curiously addictive | 19:12 | |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: that is interesting since the main thing I do online is read | 19:13 |
| CosmoHill | *on the computer | 19:13 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, :) every now and then I find a book I need to read | 19:13 |
| lcuk | and I make sure I can read it in liqbook | 19:13 |
| lcuk | if not, I tweak it until it works | 19:14 |
| realsportcars | lcuk what do you know about MNotifications? | 19:14 |
| realsportcars | :P | 19:14 |
| lcuk | realsportcars, nothing, check your qt documentation | 19:14 |
| lcuk | or the sdk api docs | 19:14 |
| * CosmoHill wants to read Kerosene by Chris Wooding but it's out of print | 19:14 | |
| realsportcars | done dozen times | 19:14 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: one day I got so bored I actually just picked up a book and read it | 19:14 |
| lcuk | realsportcars, http://apidocs.meego.com/1.2/ | 19:15 |
| lcuk | really? | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | did about 50 pages in 2 days | 19:15 |
| realsportcars | lcuk I know, thnak you | 19:15 |
| lcuk | realsportcars, what do you need to know | 19:15 |
| lcuk | or what can't you do rather | 19:15 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | (very bad considering I started in 2009) | 19:16 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, GAN900 works in a book store sometimes | 19:16 |
| realsportcars | lcuk I'm looking for something to remove notification from an external app, like sms notification | 19:16 |
| lcuk | ask him to send over suggestions | 19:16 |
| lcuk | realsportcars, ? | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | remove notifications? | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | I got "James May's, every man should know" book for my birthday | 19:16 |
| lcuk | good stuff. | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | also got "the book of the suicidal bunnies" | 19:16 |
| realsportcars | yes, from home screen and lock screen | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, from the same person? | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | yeah, my parents | 19:17 |
| lcuk | by the way, I saw my IRC stats saying I ask a lot of questions. Should I stop asking so many questions? | 19:17 |
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| CosmoHill | aren't conversations just a series of questions and answers? | 19:17 |
| lcuk | indeed | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | fish | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | okay, questions, answers and sea life. | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | s/,/;/ | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | I don't think infobot bot liked that | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: where are the stats, I can never find the link? | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine that between april and may I disapear cos of uni | 19:19 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Metrics | 19:20 |
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| CosmoHill | merci | 19:20 |
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| CosmoHill | still in the top ten I see, not bad for me | 19:23 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: unless you're trying to be inconspicuous | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | you'd be amazed how many people miss the obvious | 19:27 |
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| berndhs | dd does interesting things on fedora, all kinds of interrupts get lost | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | my fedora host died and the installer throws a hissy fit and quits when it sees my JFS /home partition | 19:30 |
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| berndhs | my fedora desktop has an issue with cold boot last 2 days, cold as in disk tmp < 30C | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | shouldn't /tmp be emptied at boot? | 19:31 |
| s-andy | can anyone help resolving segfault when launching meego runtime? | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | probably the person that packaged / programmed the software | 19:32 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: /tmp is emptied once a month or so on fedora | 19:33 |
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| CosmoHill | I think it's emptied on boot on my server. so once every 18 months on average | 19:33 |
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| berndhs | well, I am prepared for the expiration of my desktop disk :) | 19:35 |
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| CosmoHill | I hate it when nokia do that | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. lousy proxy | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | 32GB microSD cards for under £7: http://alturl.com/qcxrq | 20:14 |
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| Venemo | joppu, ping | 21:15 |
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| joppu | Venemo: pong | 21:16 |
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| Venemo | joppu, can I ask you to create another Harmattan icon for me? | 21:20 |
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| Venemo | joppu, this is the original icon, but it wouldn't fit into Harmattan very well: https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/data/puzzle-master.png | 21:20 |
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| Venemo | joppu, for the background, I'd prefer the same green which you used for the memory game :) | 21:21 |
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| joppu | I'll see if I can come up with something presentable :P | 21:22 |
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| Venemo | joppu, thanks. :) | 21:25 |
| Venemo | joppu, as usual, no hurries | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | ooh, new bootchart version \o/ | 21:36 |
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| auke | lol | 21:39 |
| auke | haha yeah | 21:39 |
| auke | Stskeeps: try the PSS graphing option, it makes cool graphs of memory use during boot | 21:40 |
| auke | (warning, it's slow as hell though) | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 21:40 |
| auke | I also fixed the size problem | 21:40 |
| auke | so now the graphs render in chrome or any browser that has svg support | 21:40 |
| auke | btw, I found out that chrome's SVG renderer is insanely fast | 21:40 |
| Bostik | ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, osc + debian - gnome is a combination to drive a man sane and a pacifist into blind violence | 21:40 |
| auke | inkscape can take 20 seconds to load | 21:41 |
| auke | chrome shows them in a second on my desktop | 21:41 |
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| * Stskeeps glances at 1.3 arm build failures | 21:45 | |
| Stskeeps | 38 packages to fix | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | well that should be possible | 21:46 |
| auke | that's not so bad :) | 21:46 |
| siddvicious | Stskeeps: hiya :) | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | before they did the recent cleanup, there was a cairo upgrade which totally mauled gobject-introspection on ARM | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | Has anyone experienced a dpkg-source error in OBS? | 21:46 |
| fiferboy | I'm getting "unrecognized file for a v2.0 source package" | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | that was really depressing to try and debug - when i built with osc build it segfaulted. but when i osc chroot'ed and make'd, it passed | 21:47 |
| fiferboy | But my dsc file specifies that is is v3.0 o_O | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | lo siddvicious | 21:47 |
| siddvicious | Stskeeps: so i waited long for meego on n900 | 21:47 |
| siddvicious | now can i boot it ? | 21:48 |
| siddvicious | :P | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes, try out the summer releae | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | se | 21:48 |
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| siddvicious | Stskeeps: link please :/ | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | siddvicious: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 21:48 |
| siddvicious | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 21:49 |
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| phl0x81 | #marssa - meego for the seas ;) | 22:32 |
| the-boss | phl0x81: Error: "marssa" is not a valid command. | 22:32 |
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| zongo | Greetings | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | greetings | 22:46 |
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| zongo | I have just installed pinetrail on a WeTab and was wondering what would be the best way to install extra soft such as skype etc... | 22:47 |
| zongo | I tried a yum install but no dice there | 22:47 |
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| thiago | that's the only way | 22:50 |
| zongo | i get command not found | 22:51 |
| timoph | zypper install | 22:52 |
| thiago | oh, oops | 22:52 |
| thiago | it's zypper now | 22:52 |
| zongo | thiago, thanks, its zypper install | 22:54 |
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| fiferboy | X-Fade: ping? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | evening fiferboy | 23:21 |
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| fiferboy | Hi luck! | 23:21 |
| fiferboy | lcuk, even | 23:21 |
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| fiferboy | X-Fade: Nevermind :) | 23:42 |
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