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| mosty | is there a safe way to maximise a qt widget in the meego netbook window manager? showMaximized() doesn't always work- depending on how many times i call it and showNormal() i get strange results | 00:40 |
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| MohammadAG | mosty, check if there's a bug report, showMaximized() works well on other window managers | 01:00 |
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| berndhs | what is this mic2 issue: Error copying timezone info from '/var/tmp/imgcr... ? | 01:41 |
| berndhs | doesn't make any sense | 01:42 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: out of disk space? (For the image or your hard drive) | 01:59 |
| * gabrbedd is just guessing, though. | 01:59 | |
| berndhs | nope, plenty of space | 01:59 |
| berndhs | something wrong with mic dealing with the tzdata, or perhaps some unrelated issue and bad error message | 02:00 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: does it persist if you clean out the bootstrap? (rm -rf /var/cache/meego-bootstrap) | 02:27 |
| berndhs | it seems to go away with a slightly different collection of installed packages | 02:28 |
| berndhs | I think its actually a problem someplace else, just shows up as timezone stuff | 02:29 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: Yeah, with mic... an error message like that can sometimes mean "you left the meatloaf on the stove overnight." | 02:30 |
| berndhs | i'm trying to replace meego-ux-panels with my own copy of it | 02:30 |
| berndhs | so its quite likely that causes dependency problems, but not really with tzdata like that | 02:31 |
| gabrbedd | bernd-ux-panels ? | 02:33 |
| berndhs | geuzen-ux-panels :) | 02:33 |
| berndhs | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geuzen | 02:33 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 02:34 |
| berndhs | pirates for the marine ux stuff | 02:34 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: so are you also hacking geuzen-ux-daemon? | 02:35 |
| berndhs | perhaps later, for now I just copy meego-ux-daemon | 02:35 |
| berndhs | just starting to look where the differences need to be, I want them as high up as possible in these layers | 02:35 |
| berndhs | panel seems a likely place, but perhaps ux-daemon is better | 02:36 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: just asking, that's all. | 02:36 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: been a few days since I figured out how they were all interlinked. | 02:36 |
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| berndhs | one issue is that none of the tablet ux is in c.obs, to I have my own opies | 02:36 |
| berndhs | the inter-linkage is, let's say, interesting | 02:37 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: I've been told that you /can/ clone m.obs projects with osc. | 02:38 |
| gabrbedd | ...that you can access m.obs anonymously for cloning to c.obs | 02:38 |
| * gabrbedd has never tried it, though. | 02:38 | |
| berndhs | you can? that would be a lot better than copuying all this stuff | 02:38 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: yeah, there's something you can do in your osc config where you can set up multiple sites to interface with. | 02:39 |
| berndhs | have to find out about that | 02:40 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: but since you're forking... I personally prefer to manage that with git. | 02:40 |
| berndhs | right now i built a tablet image without any ux-panel, should be as broken as it gets :) | 02:40 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: when upstream has a new release, you rebase your topic branches and move on down the road. | 02:40 |
| berndhs | yeah the actual code fork should be in gitorious with git, right now i'm just working on infrastructure things | 02:41 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: when I forked meego-ux-daemon, I would make branches like master-0.23, features-0.23, branding-0.23 | 02:42 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: when I wanted to progress to upstream 0.24, I would copy those branches to -0.24, and rebase each of them on top of upstream's 0.24 | 02:43 |
| berndhs | don't I have to rename the package to get zypper/mic/rpm to pick up my version ? | 02:43 |
| gabrbedd | No, you just have to make the version number higher... | 02:44 |
| gabrbedd | The reason to rename is the MeeGo(tm) trademark in the package name. | 02:44 |
| berndhs | yeah but that will conflict with the main stream eventually | 02:44 |
| gabrbedd | what will conflict? | 02:44 |
| berndhs | when they get to the version numbers I usurped | 02:45 |
| gabrbedd | Right... I don't recommend that strategy... but it would work. :-) | 02:45 |
| berndhs | but of course I have to avoid trademark stuff too, can't pass of my things as bing MeeGo (tm) when they aren't | 02:45 |
| gabrbedd | In my example above... the branding-0.xx branch is where I s/meego/somethingelse/g | 02:46 |
| gabrbedd | That way I could rebrand, add features, and also track upstream developments. | 02:46 |
| berndhs | right | 02:46 |
| * gabrbedd will bbiab | 02:46 | |
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| berndhs | hmm, my .ks file says "-meego-ux-panels-photos" and mic goes and installs meego-ux-panels-photos anyway | 03:23 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:36 |
| berndhs | eventually, you will be right about that | 04:36 |
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| Termana | berndhs, heh. Haven't you heard of ugt? :p | 04:37 |
| berndhs | on sunday ? | 04:38 |
| Termana | What would it being a Sunday (there) have anything to do with it? :p | 04:38 |
| berndhs | i guess its something like "seasons greetings" | 04:39 |
| Termana | ~ugt | 04:41 |
| infobot | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 04:41 |
| berndhs | or, people can say "moin", derived from Frisian, and sounds a bit like "morning" in German | 04:42 |
| berndhs | actually means something completely different | 04:42 |
| berndhs | time of day is inherently unstable anyway | 04:43 |
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| berndhs | well, i'm behind schedule for my afternoon nap | 04:55 |
| berndhs | until tomorrow | 04:55 |
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| antman8969 | you here lbt? | 07:36 |
| antman8969 | or xfade | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | think you might catch them a little too early. they're in european timezone | 07:43 |
| antman8969 | unfortunate | 07:44 |
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| antman8969 | ping | 08:54 |
| antman8969 | oops | 08:54 |
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| vvaltone | I've been corrupted by the exopc, didn't remember how slow zypper was when the fs was on a sdcard | 10:52 |
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| mcfrisk | Should this work with the community obs, all I get is "HTTP Error 404: Not Found": $ osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com co MeeGo.com:devel:kernel:kernel-adaptation-intel-automotive | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | remove the last ':' | 11:22 |
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| vvaltone | is it normal for the n900 running meego to suddenly decide to shutdown/reboot?-) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | no? ;) | 11:31 |
| vvaltone | or burn it's battery even when connected | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | what version? | 11:32 |
| vvaltone | testing | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | specificall which | 11:32 |
| vvaltone | 1.2.0.90.9.20110719.4 | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:33 |
| vvaltone | just flashed it on it, was running some process that did consume ~90% of cpu for a while on it tho | 11:33 |
| vvaltone | and the batter might be a bit low | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | our constraints are a bit odd on there, so i think you're hitting one of our known bugs | 11:34 |
| vvaltone | oh, ok, automatic shutdown based on some drain logic? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:35 |
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| bkalinga | can someone tell me how to create an .rpm file from a .spec inside a chroot environment, | 12:12 |
| bkalinga | i am looking at http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2/MeeGo_SDK_1.2_Preview_for_Linux/Create_RPM_Package_For_MeeGo_Application | 12:12 |
| bkalinga | but not able to install "build" | 12:13 |
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| bkalinga | wiki page says "Install build on your Linux host machine. You can find the repo link and packages at MeeGo Tools Repo." | 12:13 |
| bkalinga | can i install build on my Host Ubuntu machine using synaptic and use that inside MeeGo chrooted env? | 12:14 |
| vvaltone | rpmbuild -bb | 12:14 |
| vvaltone | and the specfile | 12:14 |
| vvaltone | hmm.. ok, there's some build command too | 12:15 |
| bkalinga | vvaltone: rpmbuild -bb where should i run this command? | 12:16 |
| bkalinga | inside my chroot? | 12:16 |
| vvaltone | yes | 12:16 |
| vvaltone | it needs to have the correct directory layout, but it should bug you about it ;P | 12:16 |
| bkalinga | but I am not getting how installing build on my Linux host machine should solve the problem as per the meego wiki page http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2/MeeGo_SDK_1.2_Preview_for_Linux/Create_RPM_Package_For_MeeGo_Application | 12:17 |
| vvaltone | I think build is for making a chroot, copying the files over and running rpmbuild | 12:18 |
| vvaltone | so, it doesn't really make sense to install it into a chroot | 12:18 |
| bkalinga | vvaltone:let say you are using qtcreator inside a chroot env and writing a plug-in, the best way to create the deployable .rpm is by going inside your source folder and running the rpmbuild -bb with the .spec file | 12:20 |
| bkalinga | am I correct? | 12:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ysss: i wonder if we're witnessing the last moments of maemo.org, it certainly looks at a point of no return now :P | 12:52 |
| Clint | :( | 12:53 |
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| vvaltone | bkalinga, I couldn't say about 'the best way', but if it's a valid spec file and a meego chroot, it'll work | 13:13 |
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| bkalinga | vvaltone: ok, but from Qtcreator cant we create it? | 13:14 |
| timeless | lbt_away: so, mxr seems to have finished and is now doing normal daily updates :) | 13:14 |
| timeless | i didn't get my daily "i'm unhappy" message from cron | 13:14 |
| bkalinga | i can see in Qtcreator that deploy option is disabled | 13:15 |
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| timeless | for people curious about the status of http://mxr.meego.com they can visit http://mxr.meego.com/hgweb.cgi | 13:15 |
| timeless | which will show them when each repository was last updated | 13:16 |
| vvaltone | bkalinga, I've never used that feature | 13:16 |
| timeless | note that there is a delay between pulling in new data and updating the local index (possibly multiple hours, i'm not sure) | 13:16 |
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| bkalinga | vvaltone: but problem i face is every time i need to modify the source. i need to create ta tar.gz out of the newly modified code then put in the proper path and then run the rpmbuild -bb | 13:17 |
| bkalinga | i understand i can write a script for this | 13:17 |
| vvaltone | yeah, the deployment sucks | 13:18 |
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| bkalinga | but i feel this process somewhat lengthy | 13:18 |
| vvaltone | mostly I've just built the software in a chroot working directory, and manually copied the results to the image and overwrite | 13:19 |
| vvaltone | using rpmbuild builds the entire souce from 0 | 13:19 |
| bkalinga | but when i use meego-sdkqtcreator with QEMU i dont do all these stuff directly build your code from qtcreator and deploy it | 13:19 |
| bkalinga | it will get deployed in your QEMU | 13:20 |
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| vvaltone | yay: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.4pUxY0: line 1: 3807 Segmentation fault /sbin/ldconfig | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | on-device? | 14:25 |
| lcuk | lardman, my mum noticed a tv program using 2d barcodes for more recipe info over the weekend | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | I was happily able to show her mbarcode and she ooohed and ahhed | 14:26 |
| lcuk | she also thinks n950 is pretty and very swish | 14:27 |
| timeless | heh | 14:27 |
| timeless | fwiw, I *love* my BlackBerry | 14:27 |
| lardman | yes, we saw that too and I cursed that I've not installed mbarcode on the N950 yet | 14:27 |
| vvaltone | Stskeeps, yeah | 14:27 |
| lcuk | hiya timeless \o | 14:27 |
| lcuk | timeless, lots of people do | 14:27 |
| lardman | love his blackberry? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | which model do you have? | 14:27 |
| lardman | ;) | 14:27 |
| timeless | BlackBerry Travel, BlackBerry Maps, and its general BBM/Mail stuff | 14:27 |
| lcuk | lardman, lol | 14:27 |
| timeless | lcuk: 9800 Torch | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | vvaltone: please report as a bug | 14:27 |
| lcuk | splash protector! | 14:28 |
| lcuk | timeless, does it have a torch on it? | 14:28 |
| lcuk | i wondered since I heard the name | 14:28 |
| timeless | lcuk: it worked *really* well in Paris given that I turned off my cellular radio when I left Canada | 14:28 |
| ysss | stskeeps: seems like it. it'll be a death where no one mourns.. | 14:28 |
| timeless | the apps were able to cache enough data to let me survive and do stuff between (wifi) network bursts | 14:28 |
| lcuk | timeless, that was historically the point where mobiles degrade - how to handle roaming | 14:29 |
| timeless | lcuk: yeah, which is why i'm loving my BlackBerry | 14:29 |
| lcuk | good stuff if Blackberry have that handled | 14:29 |
| timeless | it was really amazing | 14:29 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:29 |
| timeless | i pointed to a few things on Maps and when I was offline, I could still see them and do stuff | 14:29 |
| ysss | timeless, do you use evernote on blackberry? it doesn't cache data too well on that app... | 14:29 |
| timeless | even for points that weren't on screen | 14:29 |
| timeless | ysss: nope... | 14:30 |
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| timeless | i've installed EverNote on my mac | 14:30 |
| timeless | but didn't ever use it | 14:30 |
| ysss | or maybe it's just the model that i use lacks ram (9700) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | timeless, can Qt apps work on it? | 14:30 |
| vvaltone | Stskeeps, hmm.. actually it's a kernel oops | 14:31 |
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| w00t | there is a Qt port for QNX, I don't know how complete it is | 14:31 |
| timeless | well. http://tamsblackberry.tamoggemon.com/2011/06/06/qt-for-playbook-the-first-trials/ | 14:31 |
| w00t | or if that works on blackberry | 14:31 |
| timeless | if you want to target the PlayBook instead of a current BlackBerry | 14:32 |
| lcuk | w00t, lighthouse test for future perhaps | 14:32 |
| timeless | it looks like you can | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | vvaltone: not good either ;) | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | timeless, good stuff | 14:36 |
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| ysss | hey lcuk, how old is your mom? | 14:38 |
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| ysss | ok, that may sound funny; but i'm just asking cause you said she appreciates the n950 | 14:38 |
| lcuk | ysss, never ask for age of a lady | 14:38 |
| lcuk | ysss, she has a Samsung touch device at the moment | 14:39 |
| lcuk | when I showed her the n950 and stuff | 14:39 |
| lcuk | she enjoyed it | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | and said the vkb was great | 14:39 |
| ysss | haha, i'm old enough to know that... (at least not to ask directly at the person) | 14:39 |
| ysss | samsung pocketable or tablet? the android kind yea? | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | ysss, pocketable phone | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | she keeps asking me to try the vkb on it and send messages using it | 14:42 |
| lcuk | the n950 keyboard is better | 14:42 |
| ysss | that's very encouraging | 14:42 |
| lcuk | yes | 14:42 |
| lcuk | Nokia N9 would have customer from her :) | 14:43 |
| ysss | :) | 14:44 |
| ysss | if she could ask for any (custom) app for you to make her, what do you think she'd ask for | 14:44 |
| ysss | that'd be an interesting (Bday/mom'sday/etc) present | 14:45 |
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| lcuk | ysss, :) garden design app actually | 14:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: so do you store blob data in your db, or filenames and then the images in files? | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | to walk round her garden taking photos of her plants and animals and to catalogue them and remember their names | 14:52 |
| lcuk | lardman, all flat file and dynamic generation | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | the tag clouds can include sketches and photos and movies if required | 14:52 |
| lardman | and they are not stored in the db then? | 14:53 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/grid/grid_readable.png | 14:53 |
| lcuk | nope | 14:53 |
| lardman | col | 14:53 |
| lardman | cool | 14:53 |
| lcuk | that grid is dynamically generated | 14:53 |
| lardman | I need to save thumbnails, wondering whether to keep them in db or in fs | 14:53 |
| lcuk | filesystem | 14:53 |
| lcuk | there is thumbnail apis I gather | 14:53 |
| lardman | oh right | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | not sure how it works in qt | 14:54 |
| * lardman looks | 14:54 | |
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| lcuk | albanc, do you know what the harmattan api for thumnailing is? (since you did albanart) | 14:54 |
| lardman | looks like it's for contacts only though | 14:54 |
| lardman | in Qt anyway | 14:54 |
| lcuk | lardman, i found when I put blobs into sqlite (especially the quantities I had) extracting them took longer | 14:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: ok thanks | 14:56 |
| lardman | not sure how to go from a QImage to a blob anyway | 14:56 |
| albanc | lcuk, no, I don't know | 14:56 |
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| ysss | :) | 14:58 |
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| lardman | anyone happen to know what a timedate sqlite item is stored in? | 14:59 |
| lardman | e.g. int, or a float? | 14:59 |
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| w00t | http://www.sqlite.org/datatype3.html 1.2 | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | http://live.gnome.org/ThumbnailerSpec pvanhoof - is this spec valid for harmattan? | 15:00 |
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| lardman | w00t: thanks, but does it perform conversion for me automatically? | 15:01 |
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| w00t | "Applications can chose to store dates and times in any of these formats and freely convert between formats using the built-in date and time functions." | 15:02 |
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| lardman | it's more when I read the field from the record | 15:02 |
| lardman | what type I need to read it into | 15:02 |
| w00t | sqlite is typeless | 15:02 |
| w00t | so, what you store is what you get out | 15:02 |
| lardman | ok, so it will presumably convert, or the QSql stuff will do | 15:02 |
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| lardman | oh I see | 15:03 |
| w00t | http://www.sqlite.org/datatypes.html see 1.0 | 15:03 |
| ceyusa | X-Fade: hi, do you know how I could apply for an OBS account? this page mentions you https://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user :) | 15:03 |
| lcuk | lbt ^ | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | ceyusa, please indicate what you are wanting to do with your cobs account | 15:04 |
| lcuk | (lbt will ask the same question) | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | ceyusa: I can do that yes. But as lcuk says ... :) | 15:04 |
| lcuk | morning X-Fade \o | 15:04 |
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| ceyusa | I'm currently trying to port Meego to a x86 board | 15:04 |
| ceyusa | without intel instruction like sse3 and so | 15:05 |
| ceyusa | so I would need to recompile most of the meego's packages :s | 15:05 |
| ceyusa | afaik | 15:05 |
| ceyusa | starting by the kernel, btw | 15:06 |
| ceyusa | thanks lcuk :) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | ceyusa: that will be too big load for community obs | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | ceyusa: you'll want to set up a local one | 15:07 |
| ceyusa | Stskeeps: mmmmh... even for a minimal console based configuration, as a proof of concept | 15:09 |
| ceyusa | ? | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ceyusa: yes, still a fair bunch of packages | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | ceyusa: you can prolly pull that off with a 2ghz/1-2gb ram x86 machine | 15:09 |
| X-Fade | ceyusa: Yeah, that is not what the community obs is for at the moment. | 15:11 |
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| ceyusa | X-Fade: Stskeeps: d'accord | 15:11 |
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| ceyusa | is it more oriented to new packages ?? | 15:12 |
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| X-Fade | ceyusa: Application development yes. | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | ceyusa, you should have a chat with dm8tbr and vgrade and see whether whole system image could be put on the formeego site | 15:14 |
| ceyusa | formeego? | 15:14 |
| lcuk | (they have most knowledge of edge case and experimental meego device images) | 15:14 |
| dm8tbr | images.formeego.org | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | \o dm8tbr | 15:15 |
| dm8tbr | formerly http://bug10738.openaos.org/ | 15:15 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, david, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 15:15 |
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| * ceyusa is checking it | 15:15 | |
| dm8tbr | ceyusa: what hardware are you working with? | 15:16 |
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| timeless | lcuk: i've had some chuckles and tears about... bug 18260 | 15:16 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18260 nor, Medium, Jul-29-11, changzhi.wang, ASSI, very long page stops painting | 15:17 |
| dm8tbr | the requirements are very simple: the kickstart file must be hosted together with the image, the image must contain only packages from obs and cobs, if it needs closed source bits then it needs to be cleared by me | 15:17 |
| ceyusa | dm8tbr: it is an x86, 1GHz, but is like an a Pentium, no SSE neither other of thes instruccions | 15:17 |
| ceyusa | dm8tbr: right now my objective is only get a console based image | 15:18 |
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| dm8tbr | ceyusa: mhm, sounds like you'll need to revive the no-ssse3 project for that | 15:18 |
| ceyusa | then I'll move to the UX | 15:18 |
| lcuk | timeless, oh nice find | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and along same lines as the awesome stresstest page | 15:19 |
| ceyusa | dm8tbr: I saw that page on the wiki | 15:19 |
| timeless | lcuk: relatives can do the darndest things? | 15:19 |
| lcuk | timeless, of course | 15:19 |
| lcuk | i have plenty of huge html files here | 15:19 |
| timeless | comment 7 just made me shake my head | 15:19 |
| ceyusa | dm8tbr: what's the status of tha project? | 15:19 |
| * lcuk just converts them to plain text | 15:19 | |
| lcuk | and testing them in the book reader | 15:19 |
| timeless | how can a bug with a summary such as mine actually result in comment 7? | 15:19 |
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| timeless | andre__: ^ | 15:20 |
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| andre__ | url. | 15:20 |
| timeless | bug 18260 | 15:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18260 nor, Medium, Jul-29-11, changzhi.wang, ASSI, very long page stops painting | 15:20 |
| timeless | lcuk: speaking of which, do you know how the meego browsers handle my stress page? | 15:21 |
| andre__ | haha | 15:21 |
| timeless | timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html | 15:21 |
| timeless | (different stress page fwiw) | 15:21 |
| timeless | (and potentially NSFW) | 15:21 |
| timeless | andre__: please do feel free to slap someone over that.. | 15:22 |
| * timeless sighs | 15:22 | |
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| andre__ | no plans | 15:22 |
| andre__ | there's worse stuff | 15:22 |
| timeless | that's... depressing | 15:22 |
| timeless | i mean, why did i bother filling in all the form fields? comment 7 clearly didn't read the summary or comment 0 | 15:23 |
| timeless | i even filled in "USER IMPACT:"! | 15:23 |
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| timeless | actually, i should check to see how the torch + playbook handle those two pages.. | 15:24 |
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| lcuk | timeless, | 15:25 |
| lcuk | desktop: | 15:25 |
| lcuk | 31656 gary 20 0 515m 219m 29m S 0 7.4 2:32.00 firefox-bin | 15:25 |
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| dm8tbr | ceyusa: status is dormant | 15:26 |
| ceyusa | dm8tbr: ok, I shall wake it up :) | 15:27 |
| timeless | lcuk: yeah, browsers finally improved | 15:27 |
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| timeless | N4 and IE5(?) used to take around 755(?) mb | 15:27 |
| timeless | the next generation of browsers took around 1.3GB | 15:27 |
| timeless | (yay useless alpha channel) | 15:27 |
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| timeless | gecko at times (on bad days) would die (hitting the 2gb vm ceiling) | 15:27 |
| dm8tbr | ceyusa: feel free to poke me if you need more info | 15:28 |
| timeless | it took years before browsers started having sane behavior.. | 15:28 |
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| ceyusa | dm8tbr: thanks!! | 15:28 |
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| timeless | the page looks very shiny here :) | 15:28 |
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| timeless | wah, it seems to die at a seahorse | 15:29 |
| timeless | although die isn't in the "cause the entire page to become white" sense... | 15:30 |
| timeless | just "no pictures beyond this point" | 15:30 |
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| dm8tbr | ceyusa: you'll probably have to run your own OBS for that and tune the parameters for x86 to disable ssse3 optimization | 15:30 |
| timeless | ooh, switching back gets me more :) | 15:30 |
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| timeless | lcuk: one part of the test is actually verifying that all the content loads | 15:31 |
| timeless | if your browser cheats and doesn't load content... | 15:31 |
| dm8tbr | ceyusa: my best guess at the moment is that importing a current x86 build and then retriggering a full rebuild would get you almost there | 15:31 |
| ceyusa | dm8tbr: ok | 15:31 |
| timeless | lbt: anyway, "yay", happy mxr | 15:31 |
| lcuk | timeless, last picture is lara croft | 15:31 |
| timeless | sounds right | 15:32 |
| ceyusa | dm8tbr: I got to learn about OBS, install it and so, becasue I have no idea about it... | 15:32 |
| timeless | but really, jumping to the bottom doesn't prove you don't have holes in the middle :( | 15:32 |
| ceyusa | and figure out how to do that "import of a current build" | 15:32 |
| timeless | (and yes, i've seen browsers that cheat that way) | 15:32 |
| timeless | :( | 15:32 |
| timeless | stress killed my browser | 15:32 |
| dm8tbr | ceyusa: the information on that is a bit scattered, for the setup you'll probably want to check the opensuse wiki, but Stskeeps has a helpful script mentioned in his guide | 15:32 |
| * timeless really needs to get core submission working | 15:33 | |
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| lbt | timeless: :) | 15:41 |
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| vvaltone | what's the best way to target N900 for development? | 15:49 |
| vvaltone | aka.. building binaries, don't care about packages atm | 15:49 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, obs | 15:50 |
| lcuk | or for deeper, get the sdk | 15:50 |
| vvaltone | I did once try obs, but local builds on it didn't seem to work for arm, perhaps I did something wrong | 15:50 |
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| vvaltone | for x86 I've used obs with just using the resulting chroot for active development | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, hm I tried to also build meego n900 image using mic2 but ran into difficulties | 16:07 |
| lcuk | which host OS are you trying in? | 16:07 |
| vvaltone | ubuntu 10.04 | 16:08 |
| lcuk | vvaltone, same here | 16:10 |
| lcuk | people recommend using fedora or some such | 16:10 |
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| mcfrisk | can't see any reason to demand RPM based distro to work with mic2 | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | mcfrisk, it was not a demand | 16:11 |
| lcuk | infact I was using meego netbook for it | 16:11 |
| * lcuk losing marbles today | 16:12 | |
| lcuk | i might go back to bed if this headache doesn't clear | 16:12 |
| mcfrisk | heh, sorry, too strong word. So far distro suggestions from meego.com have been all false. Had to do a few re-installations and fix a few packages. Changing distros is not a good solution. | 16:14 |
| mcfrisk | mic2 works just fine for i586 and IVI on 10.04 LTS | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | make sure to have latest mic2, there's usually some stuff that is only there etc | 16:15 |
| mcfrisk | same for img, opensuse was just as bad as debian squeeze | 16:16 |
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| gabrbedd | vvaltone: lcuk: I have a brand new install of Ubuntu 10.04 where mic2 works fine. And I have an old install of 10.04 where mic2 has somehow become broken. | 16:34 |
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| gabrbedd | vvaltone: Perhaps try with a fresh VirtualBox install of 10.04, and see what you get. | 16:34 |
| vvaltone | yeah, I'll have to do that tomorrow | 16:35 |
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| gabrbedd | vvaltone: FWIW, I've been told that guys have good luck with mic2 on Fedora inside VirtualBox. | 16:35 |
| vvaltone | oh, misread that | 16:36 |
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| vvaltone | a chroot in a virtual machine | 16:36 |
| gabrbedd | vvaltone: I've used chroot's for building packages -- but not for mic2. | 16:37 |
| vvaltone | yeah, I've done that when I targetted x86 | 16:38 |
| vvaltone | it's just arm that's the trouble :P | 16:38 |
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| berndhs | mic2 on fedora 15 is still broken | 16:39 |
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| berndhs | has to do with libzypper and rpm and python bindings | 16:39 |
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| timeless | lbt: is there a way for you to get my cron mail? like, can .forward send mail to multiple accounts? | 17:28 |
| timeless | in theory you should never get any mail :) | 17:29 |
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| * w00t watches timeless try delegate | 17:31 | |
| w00t | ;p | 17:31 |
| * timeless sees the word "try" in italics | 17:31 | |
| timeless | w00t: the reality is that the box runs itself | 17:32 |
| timeless | and when there's a problem, the problem is infrastructure related | 17:32 |
| timeless | so the right thing to do is to have someone from IT get the complaints from cron | 17:32 |
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| lbt | timeless: can you provide a nagios plugin for mxr please .... | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | hmm bug 20099 | 18:15 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, marko.saukko, NEW, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." . | 18:15 |
| lcuk | meego calculator should do fractions | 18:16 |
| berndhs | try pressing 0 first ? | 18:16 |
| lcuk | berndhs, "any button" | 18:16 |
| lcuk | effects tablet ux too | 18:17 |
| berndhs | no, "any button and then .", try "any button, then 0, then ." | 18:17 |
| lcuk | that would make the figure 10x larger | 18:17 |
| berndhs | no it won't | 18:17 |
| lcuk | "instead of 1.5 it would be 10.5 | 18:17 |
| berndhs | 0.5 is the same as .5 | 18:18 |
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| lcuk | special case | 18:18 |
| lcuk | the rest wouldn't be | 18:18 |
| lcuk | and besides, moot anyway - it crashes | 18:18 |
| lcuk | 1/2 is ok :P | 18:18 |
| berndhs | i thought it referred to operation buttons, like + or - or / | 18:19 |
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| berndhs | so to test further I suggested testing + 0.5 instead of + .5 | 18:19 |
| berndhs | but ok don't test it if you don't feel like it :) | 18:20 |
| lcuk | berndhs, the bug is in the handler for the decimal point | 18:20 |
| berndhs | ok dont test it | 18:20 |
| lcuk | ie when you press the "." button | 18:20 |
| lcuk | i did just test it | 18:20 |
| lcuk | :P | 18:20 |
| berndhs | good, not they know its not the number format | 18:21 |
| * berndhs wondering where the boot splash image comes from | 18:22 | |
| lcuk | wazd made it | 18:23 |
| berndhs | maybe some continental european wrote the code and expects a decimal comma instead of a decimal point | 18:23 |
| lcuk | berndhs, lol | 18:24 |
| lcuk | that is part of the issue I believe | 18:24 |
| lcuk | localeHelper.decimalPoint() | 18:24 |
| lcuk | was changed to a property: | 18:24 |
| lcuk | localeHelper.decimalPoint | 18:24 |
| berndhs | ah | 18:24 |
| lcuk | but the backend libraries did not get updated I think | 18:24 |
| lcuk | so regression | 18:25 |
| lcuk | in trying to call as a property something that is still a function | 18:25 |
| lcuk | or the other way round | 18:25 |
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| berndhs | we should go back to the good old days, all-american format, ASCII, monospace,... | 18:25 |
| berndhs | american spelling | 18:25 |
| lcuk | problem is that qml errors are not identified at build time | 18:25 |
| timeless | berndhs: yes | 18:25 |
| lcuk | qml has to be manually tested for all cases | 18:26 |
| timeless | lcuk: and there's no automated testing during the build :) | 18:26 |
| lcuk | timeless, ^ | 18:26 |
| lcuk | timeless, build/compilation/sanity testing would have caught this | 18:26 |
| lcuk | if it was c++ | 18:26 |
| berndhs | well, not necessarily, but it shouln't crash in any case | 18:27 |
| berndhs | perhaps ignore the unknown character | 18:27 |
| lcuk | berndhs, the bug is related to a specific qml library function/property lookup | 18:28 |
| lcuk | not to the actual user entered data | 18:28 |
| berndhs | but yeah if you compute the functions you are calling on the fly, this sort of thing can happen | 18:28 |
| lcuk | the codeblock with the error only occurs when you use a decimal point | 18:28 |
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| berndhs | hmm the tabled UX can't deal with applications that actually exit, it seems | 18:31 |
| berndhs | can't restart them | 18:31 |
| lcuk | are you sure that it closed correctly the first time | 18:32 |
| lcuk | and not just hidden | 18:32 |
| berndhs | yes its closed | 18:33 |
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| berndhs | i can restart it manually from xterm, it behaves normally | 18:33 |
| berndhs | all right, put that on the list for my UX-spin :) | 18:34 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:34 |
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| berndhs | the new thinking in UX design seems to be apps run until reboot, and everything is full screen all the time | 18:36 |
| w00t | berndhs: that sounds like a bug | 18:36 |
| w00t | i'm pretty sure it used to work fine | 18:36 |
| berndhs | the full screen I can understand for smallish screens | 18:36 |
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| berndhs | yes the no-exit-and-restart seems to be a bug | 18:37 |
| berndhs | i'm saying in some mailing lists i've seen comments saying that closing and app doesn't happen nowadays | 18:38 |
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| w00t | that may be the case for some of the default apps, but it's definitely not always going to be the case for third party ones | 18:38 |
| berndhs | right | 18:38 |
| lcuk | games | 18:38 |
| lcuk | play for 5 minutes | 18:39 |
| lcuk | close | 18:39 |
| lcuk | play for another 5 minutes | 18:39 |
| lcuk | etc | 18:39 |
| berndhs | also depends on the device usage, read 1 book and turn it off | 18:39 |
| berndhs | but for a device that basically runs all day, your would expect apps come and go | 18:39 |
| lcuk | depends | 18:40 |
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| lcuk | does it impact performance to leave it running? | 18:40 |
| berndhs | sure, you use more memory, more power | 18:40 |
| lcuk | is that quantifiable? | 18:40 |
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| lcuk | ie "i have 512mb allocated and power is XYZ Ma | 18:41 |
| berndhs | yes its greater than zero power usage :) | 18:41 |
| lcuk | ie "i have 900mb allocated and power is XYZ Ma | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you normally know how something like that works | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 18:42 |
| berndhs | you will start swapping if you have a lot of comatose apps around | 18:42 |
| lcuk | power usage for memory allocation | 18:42 |
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| berndhs | also, some apps will keep generating data models that nobody looks at | 18:42 |
| lcuk | does it drain battery faster to have fully allocated 1gb memory than if you keep memory footprint minimal | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | allocation of memory quite usually doesn't change power usage | 18:42 |
| lcuk | berndhs, different issue | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | memory needs power to refresh | 18:43 |
| berndhs | its the same issue of assuming apps live indefinetely and don't close | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | refresh *usually* takes place for all available memory | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle the device could save power by turning off refresh on unallocated RAM | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't afaik | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | But as you can only do this in quarters (typically) it's not going to | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no extra power used by RAM being full, if no swapping is occurring. | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Swapping means more power use | 18:44 |
| lcuk | thanks SpeedEvil | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | data transfer will eat considerable chunks of power | 18:44 |
| berndhs | yes but there will be swapping with unused apps that dont close | 18:44 |
| lcuk | I assume though there would be quantifiable power usage for a MicroSD card inserted/removed | 18:44 |
| lcuk | which would be like turning on/off a whole bank of memory | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | The card is suspende when not used | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually, yes | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except with the most retarded drivers | 18:45 |
| berndhs | but seriously, assuming there is no cost to having apps not close is bad | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they all will hog cpu to some extent | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | if only for rendering in taskswitcher | 18:46 |
| lcuk | berndhs, not assuming, just discussing | 18:46 |
| lcuk | the bug you have noticed may be a real bug | 18:46 |
| lcuk | and hence should be sorted | 18:46 |
| berndhs | sure, there will be some aspects where there is no cost | 18:46 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, yes | 18:47 |
| lcuk | each app rendering 854*480 is heavy | 18:47 |
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| timoph | lcuk: o/ | 18:47 |
| lcuk | hello timoph \o happy monday | 18:47 |
| timoph | "happy" | 18:47 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:47 |
| lcuk | Monday is always happy | 18:47 |
| timoph | sometimes | 18:48 |
| lcuk | because you have memory of weekend + knowing only a few days to next one :P | 18:48 |
| timoph | :) | 18:48 |
| berndhs | i don't like sundays, so mondays are often a bit of a relief :) | 18:48 |
| lcuk | i remade liqbook over the weekend | 18:48 |
| lcuk | and plumbed in all the niven books I have | 18:48 |
| lcuk | :) | 18:48 |
| lcuk | it even looks quite neat with the droid fonts o_O | 18:49 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110725_163156.liqbookreader.scr.png | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I hope you used a goodly amount of scrith in the foundations. | 18:49 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, yes | 18:49 |
| lcuk | I ordered latest niven book in hardback too | 18:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm somewhat depressed about 'recent' niven. | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | which is a Louis Wu ringworld prequel :) | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Did not enjoy the newer protector novels much | 18:50 |
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| lcuk | "newer"? | 18:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | >1990? | 18:50 |
| lcuk | last few years he has done "* of worlds" novels with Edward Lerner | 18:51 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable | 18:51 |
| lcuk | kinetic scrolling on a 2 page view is strange | 18:51 |
| lcuk | so is autoscrolling actually but that is beside the point :P | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: I googled for "Langeweile am Sonntag / Kuchenessen mit Opa und Oma / Langeweile am Sonntag / Denkst Du liegst im Koma" , but obviously this song never made it from vinyl to internet :-) | 18:52 |
| Unmenschlich | is there a meego netbook version, that can be run on normal PCs? | 18:53 |
| Unmenschlich | I'm owning a hp tc1100 tablet-pc with an intel celeron and would like to use it there | 18:54 |
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| gri | Where are the translation files stored? (those used by qtTrId()) | 19:28 |
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| krh | ugh, I give up... what provides pkgconfig(meegolocale)? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | mlite, hopefully | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | because otherwise someone needs to be shot :P | 19:38 |
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| krh | hmm, I don't see that | 19:40 |
| berndhs | meegolabs-ux-components-liblocale-devel I think | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:40 |
| * krh looks | 19:40 | |
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| berndhs | shot is string, but lightly beaten for that name perhaps | 19:41 |
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| berndhs | s/string/strong/ | 19:41 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: shot is strong, but lightly beaten for that name perhaps | 19:41 |
| krh | we're trying to phase out the -labs components, right? | 19:42 |
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| thiago | gri: wherever the application placed them | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | it's an auke! | 19:51 |
| berndhs | ok, behave everyone | 19:52 |
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| auke | yeah watch out, it's monday :) | 20:00 |
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| berndhs | 4 hours ago it was tuesday in Fiji | 20:02 |
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| gri | thiago: accounts-ui lets me define an catalog name which contains the translations ... but unfortunately I have no clue where it loads them from | 20:04 |
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| gri | Ok, found what I was looking for in the meegotouch docs :) | 20:20 |
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| azchris_ | hello...does anyone know where i can find a nice concise list of meego 1.2 components? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | azchris_: http://build.meego.com - find project MeeGo:1.2:oss and click 'packages' | 20:31 |
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| azchris_ | thanks Stskeeps! | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | why is the sdk/workflow for apps so complex still | 21:01 |
| lcuk | is the barrier of entry to make simple ihpone/android apps so high? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | iphone | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | iphone no, android is somewhere in the middle | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | iphone is totally easy to set up the sdk | 21:02 |
| lcuk | ali1234, is iphone varrier simply requiring a mac? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | b | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | pretty much yeah | 21:03 |
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| ali1234 | and you have to sign up for a mac store account to get the xcode | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | can you run xcode on other devices? | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | and you have to pay $4.99 or something for the *good* version | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | no | 21:03 |
| lcuk | well $4.99 ontop of cost of mac | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | yeah :) | 21:04 |
| lcuk | so its a marginal issue really | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | unless you have issues giving away your personal details, sure | 21:04 |
| lcuk | meh | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | with android, you have to find your own IDE | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | but eclipse is the only one anyone uses | 21:04 |
| lcuk | i gather windows phone is quite easy | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | i happen to not like eclipse | 21:04 |
| lcuk | i heard some folks getting visual studio starter versions etc | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | and getting the sdk integrated with eclipse is kind of odd | 21:05 |
| lcuk | eclipse is overwhelming to most humans | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | and then you load up eclipse and it's like "now what?" | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | yeah exactly | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | windows phone is the easiest one by a long long long way | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | no sign up, no fee, just download an exe from msdn, run it, wait a while, it's done | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | run it, and the first thing you see is "what kind of app do you want to make?" wizard | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | could literally not be any easier | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | yeah I am used to vs | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | i have not used VS in years but damn was it easy | 21:06 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:06 | |
| lcuk | I ported liqflow to .net the other night | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | it's all completely different to old versions too | 21:06 |
| lcuk | well, rewrote | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | a lot better than i remember | 21:06 |
| lcuk | yeah ali1234 | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | QtCreator is pretty easy too... it's deploying where it breaks down | 21:07 |
| lcuk | code once, deploy anywhere * | 21:07 |
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| ali1234 | * as long as you supply your own toolchain and packaging tools | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | nahh | 21:08 |
| lcuk | you just have to ask venemo to do it | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | heh | 21:09 |
| * lcuk might consider venemo as a packaging tool | 21:09 | |
| ali1234 | i think he wrote the spec file for my app :) | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | can't remember who it was | 21:10 |
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| berndhs | yeah touch screens would be so much more useful if they could tell your fingers apart http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-July/483878.html | 22:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | berndhs, there's always "tap to right of touchpoint" or "tap to left of touch point". | 22:12 |
| berndhs | sort of, but not quite the same | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | lol berndhs | 22:42 |
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| lbt | meegoexperts_mob: ping | 23:20 |
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| meegoexperts_mob | Hi | 23:38 |
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| CosmoHill | you're either on the phone or there's a lot of you | 23:40 |
| lcuk | meegoexperts_mob, good evening | 23:41 |
| lcuk | i was talking to miika on Sunday | 23:41 |
| lcuk | and suggested coming to the birmingham meetup | 23:41 |
| lcuk | but thursday nights dude | 23:41 |
| lcuk | thursday nights | 23:41 |
| lcuk | they are (a) my local pub night | 23:41 |
| meegoexperts_mob | Would make a change you guys coming opposed to ducking out :-P | 23:41 |
| lcuk | and (b) thursday | 23:41 |
| lcuk | see above | 23:41 |
| meegoexperts_mob | Whats a good night for you ? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | well we have been meeting on sundays during (shock) daytime afternoon hours | 23:42 |
| lcuk | it works better transportation wise | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | not that it really matters lol | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | just a bus either way for local meet | 23:43 |
| MarcA-N | Anyone here fluent in German? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | nein | 23:43 |
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| auke | there's quite a few germans in here | 23:49 |
| berndhs | i'm only fluent in german when i get paid for it :) | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, auto translate app | 23:57 |
| lcuk | hasn't google got one | 23:58 |
| khertan | <khertan> c-obs is funny ... can't use + in filename | 23:58 |
| khertan | <khertan> https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=python-setuptools&project=home%3Akhertan | 23:58 |
| khertan | <khertan> so build failed of course | 23:58 |
| khertan | any idea ? | 23:58 |
| berndhs | google translate is terrible for german <->english | 23:58 |
| khertan | for other language too :) | 23:58 |
| lcuk | dunno | 23:58 |
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