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| * timeless pokes andre__ or DawnFoster | 01:18 | |
| * timeless double pokes DawnFoster | 01:18 | |
| * CosmoHill pokes timeless for personal amusement | 01:19 | |
| * timeless teehees | 01:20 | |
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| timeless | ooh, that tickles | 01:20 |
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| timeless | how's it going? | 01:20 |
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| CosmoHill | it varies | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | monday was an awesome day that I loved | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | today has been meh, just dossing about on the internet | 01:20 |
| * timeless is old as of yesterday | 01:21 | |
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| CosmoHill | you mean you had your 29th birthday again? | 01:21 |
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| timeless | yeah, 3rd time | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | my cousin turned to me on my 20th and went "your old now" | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | I think I said "at least I don't have 5 years of high school to do" | 01:22 |
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| timeless | Canada got rid of grade 13 a while back | 01:23 |
| timeless | s/Canada/Ontario/ | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | she had just started high school iirc | 01:23 |
| timeless | (that was 2003) | 01:24 |
| timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Academic_Credit fwiw | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_England | 01:24 |
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| timeless | yeah, yopu guys are special :) | 01:26 |
| timeless | s/p// | 01:26 |
| timeless | middle school too early | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | middle school? | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | we don't have it at this part of the country | 01:27 |
| timeless | which flavor are you in? | 01:27 |
| timeless | i was reading the far right column, it was the only one i saw w/ 5 years of HS | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | we have the far left | 01:28 |
| timeless | > Any Part B success criteria that refer to authors only apply during authoring sessions. | 01:28 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: pong | 01:29 |
| * timeless can't figure out how to count to 5 on the far left, but ok... | 01:29 | |
| timeless | DawnFoster: one sec | 01:29 |
| timeless | DawnFoster: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18038#c10 | 01:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 18038 nor, Low, ---, kevron_m_rees, VERI WONTFIX, Bluetooth icon should either not be present or clearly indicate it won't work when no bluetooth adap | 01:29 |
| timeless | can you please take a wet trout to that commenter | 01:29 |
| timeless | (a cluebat might be necessary, but perhaps intel doesn't approve) | 01:30 |
| timeless | i'm 99% certain that the commenter did not read: | 01:30 |
| timeless | 1. The Bug Status | 01:30 |
| timeless | 2. The Bug Summary | 01:30 |
| timeless | 3. Comment 0, aka The Bug Report | 01:30 |
| timeless | (or perhaps "The Bug Description") | 01:31 |
| timeless | ignoring that, which is hard, but... I don't believe that the comment clearly indicates *which* thing disappears and I'm fairly certain that the comment does not indicate the hardware being tested | 01:32 |
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| timeless | ... the bug is requesting that Control Panel not have a Bluetooth icon if there's no Bluetooth adapter | 01:32 |
| DawnFoster | I'd ignore him | 01:33 |
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| timeless | I believe the clueless commenter indicated that disabling Bluetooth causes an icon at the top of the Display to disappear | 01:33 |
| timeless | DawnFoster: sadly, he changed the bug status from RESOLVED WONTFIX to VERIFIED... | 01:33 |
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| DawnFoster | never heard of him before, and it's pretty clear that he doesn't really know what he's talking about :) | 01:33 |
| DawnFoster | hmmm | 01:33 |
| timeless | if he didn't deal damage to the bug report's status, i'd ignore him | 01:33 |
| timeless | but he did | 01:33 |
| timeless | comment 8 is also damaging and never responded to comment 9 | 01:33 |
| andyross | timeless: bluetooth should work on an exopc. What does "hcitool dev" tell you in a console? | 01:34 |
| timeless | andyross: it did not work on the devices using the stack that was avaiable in SF | 01:34 |
| timeless | and that's absolutely irrelevant | 01:34 |
| timeless | please understand that | 01:34 |
| timeless | the steps are: | 01:34 |
| timeless | 1. have a device with no functional bluetooth adapter | 01:34 |
| timeless | 2. expect not to see useless icons in settings | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | I reopened it :) | 01:35 |
| timeless | DawnFoster: thanks | 01:35 |
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| timeless | andyross: there will be devices that won't have bluetooth | 01:35 |
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| timeless | just because the exopc technically has bluetooth doesn't mean that the software stack shouldn't not be stupid when it encounters such a device | 01:35 |
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| andyross | I know this isn't relevant to your bug vs. settings, but the premise is wrong: there should be a device present on that hardware, and it should work. There were a few gotchas a while back with a patch being dropped, and one with the firmware not being present. But I'm pretty sure that was all sorted out. | 01:36 |
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| timeless | ? | 01:36 |
| timeless | the premise is clear in the summary | 01:36 |
| timeless | > Bluetooth icon should either not be present or clearly indicate it won't work when no bluetooth adapter is present | 01:36 |
| timeless | the summary does not mention exopc | 01:36 |
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| andyross | Fine fine. I thought you were mostly complaining about bluetooth. I'll leave your beef with settings and QA to others. | 01:37 |
| timeless | andyross: right, i'm not complaining about bluetooth, just settings and QA | 01:37 |
| timeless | if i wanted to complain about bluetooth, i would have filed a bug somewhere near bluetooth | 01:37 |
| timeless | but it'd be stupid since i got a release note that clearly listed bluetooth as not working :) | 01:38 |
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| wmarone | Venemo: are you there? | 02:07 |
| Venemo | wmarone, yes | 02:07 |
| wmarone | ok, can you add smokku to the founders list for #cordia and turn off +m? | 02:08 |
| wmarone | it's rather quiet in there ;) | 02:08 |
| Venemo | wmarone, I already added him to the necessary privileges | 02:08 |
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| wmarone | ah, can you -m it anyway? | 02:09 |
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| berndhs | the cordia stuff focuses on Hildon ? | 02:15 |
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| wmarone | cordia uses hildon, yes | 02:16 |
| wmarone | it's based on hildon-desktop after all | 02:16 |
| berndhs | so its maemo5++ --> meego or something | 02:16 |
| wmarone | well, it's meego. just the UX uses hildon/gtk3 instead of Qt | 02:17 |
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| berndhs | yeah | 02:18 |
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| nemequ | is conic still alive? I'm wonder how to handle https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=602578 and I can't seem to find any web sites, git repositories, etc... | 02:31 |
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| Venemo | wmarone, '-m'? | 02:37 |
| wmarone | what smoku just did ;) | 02:37 |
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| Venemo | wmarone, and what is it good for? | 02:40 |
| wmarone | well, when a channel is +m it is muted for all but operators and people with +v set by the operators | 02:42 |
| Venemo | ah, that sounds very wrong | 02:43 |
| wmarone | eh, I think it's just chanserv with some odd defaults | 02:43 |
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| wmarone | and it has its purposes | 02:43 |
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| bonbinker | morning sir | 03:21 |
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| Elleo | lbt / X-Fade: all current build attempts appear to be failing with: "connect to store-vlan60.pub.in.meego.com:5352: Network is unreachable" (or some variation thereof) | 04:00 |
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| meivi | is it me or is meego 1.2's repo broken.. | 04:17 |
| meivi | cant install gstreamer-plugins | 04:18 |
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| nomo | so... I tested meego with netbook ux just now. first I was like: "wow, boots fast!" then I was like "where is the window list... oh it's this zone-thingy, arkward but I could live with that" then I was like: "hey isn't banshee a mono app? wtf?" then i was like: "tracker? indexing it all? whats next, sharing it?" then I was like: "fuck that shit!" | 04:24 |
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| Corn_man | Wait what? | 04:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | nomo: so, let me get this straight... | 04:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | nomo: you came in here just to troll? | 04:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | nomo: if i may borrow your phrase here...FUCK THAT SHIT! | 04:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 04:29 |
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| Corn_man | TSCHAKeee I don't understand what he said. | 04:30 |
| Corn_man | It's hard reading idiot. | 04:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah. | 04:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | seems as if he's mad on religious grounds. | 04:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | or just simply he doesn't like the software selection. | 04:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | some people are funny. | 04:31 |
| Corn_man | If he doesn't like meego I suggest he should try linux mint. | 04:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, choice is a good thing | 04:31 |
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| jcharpak | isn't banshee standard on linux mint as well? :) | 04:32 |
| Corn_man | Yes. | 04:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | i really could care less | 04:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | for me, MeeGo is a base system for me to do research work | 04:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm making my own appliances | 04:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | and MeeGo is perfect for that. | 04:33 |
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| Corn_man | MeeGo looks like it would be awesome for tablets. | 04:39 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, \o | 04:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | hey vgrade! | 04:40 |
| vgrade | hows things | 04:40 |
| vgrade | get your 950 | 04:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | fantastic, and yes | 04:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | we've been going full steam ahead on qOrbiter | 04:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | one sec | 04:40 |
| vgrade | I've been working trimslice, http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nvidia-meego-battle-ground/ | 04:41 |
| vgrade | nvidia sent the hardfp drivers I needed | 04:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hz-InWQX4U :) | 04:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh wow nice | 04:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | that thing is iiittty bitty | 04:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | as for me, I've been testing our stuff on my Archos 9 and N950 side by side | 04:42 |
| nomo | well... that wasn't trolling by the way. that was pretty much my expirence from "wow!" to NonononNOOOO!!! in 10 Minutes. Some digging in "Meego World" I also found some more seriously bad things about this project, and I wonder what you guys are up to? | 04:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | nomo: we're working. | 04:43 |
| Corn_man | I'm toying with os's. | 04:43 |
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| jcharpak | just out of curisosity, how likely is a fully functional meego on an archos 43? | 04:44 |
| * TSCHAKeee is a core dev for LinuxMCE, and is working on our next generation UI engine (and UI) | 04:44 | |
| TSCHAKeee | jcharpak: you'd probably want to ask vgrade. | 04:45 |
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| jcharpak | it was an open question :) | 04:46 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, great progress. Qt looks to be all its cracked up to be | 04:46 |
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| jcharpak | so vgrade, meego on archos43? | 04:47 |
| nomo | Oh, archos 43? very much unlikely. the openaos project might manage something in the near future, but I would expect it to be broken on all ends (like battery or wifi). | 04:47 |
| vgrade | jcharpak, not familiar with the 43 | 04:48 |
| vgrade | what OS does it ship with | 04:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | nomo: perhaps you would leave that to someone who actually spends his days doing hardware adaptation of our project. | 04:48 |
| jcharpak | android 2.2 pretty stock as far as I know | 04:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: i'm loving it, and the N950 hardware is buttery smooth. | 04:48 |
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| nomo | where was my statement wrong? | 04:49 |
| jcharpak | same tech as a droid x or a n900 more or less | 04:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | jcharpak: if we knew what chipsets were available, we could tell you better. | 04:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | jcharpak: Archos has actually been very lassaez faire as to allowing other firmware on their devices | 04:50 |
| jcharpak | the os can be swaped with a very basic linux | 04:50 |
| wmarone | jcharpak: omap3? | 04:50 |
| jcharpak | but doing so violates your warranty... | 04:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | jcharpak: try taking one of the existing adaptation kickstarts and see how far you get. | 04:51 |
| Corn_man | For some reason I was thinking of arch linux. | 04:51 |
| vgrade | jcharpak, sounds like you would be able to get a long way to getting a functioning device | 04:51 |
| vgrade | as always the devil is in the detail | 04:51 |
| jcharpak | ...and apparntly watermarks the device somehow so they know you did it | 04:51 |
| vgrade | jcharpak, hardware adaptation is dangerous | 04:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | I've been able to get al the hardware working on my Archos 9, for example (and it is a GMA500 x86, which is a hairy beast to get running correctly.) | 04:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm still hoping that Intel will release an EMGD with a working VA API at some point. | 04:52 |
| jcharpak | oy the one intel video driver that doesn't play nice oon linux, right? | 04:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | (but OpenGL/GLES and 2D work fantastic with it.) | 04:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | oh it plays nice, you just have to match the environment it requires | 04:53 |
| vgrade | jcharpak, never bricked anything so far, but there will be a first time | 04:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | currently they build their driver for MeeGo | 04:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and Fedora | 04:53 |
| jcharpak | not ubuntu/debian/mint? | 04:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | but mainly, you have to use specific versions of Xorg | 04:53 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, fedora have an EMGD package now | 04:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | jcharpak: if you match the Xorg, then have at it. | 04:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | EMGD is a driver package intended for hardware OEMs | 04:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's not meant for end users at all | 04:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | so they really don't give a damn if an end user can use it. | 04:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | really, it's main target is In-Vehicle-Infotainment computers. | 04:54 |
| jcharpak | like nvidia and ancient nv15 drivers :) | 04:55 |
| jcharpak | (yes I still have a 10 year old computer with a geoforce2 gts or whatever nvidis's 2nd gen video card was called) | 04:56 |
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| meivi | ...anyone else having trouble installing gstreamer plugins ? | 05:00 |
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| nomo | i think i read just something that meego doesn't include that, because it's a oem thing to or something like that. | 05:02 |
| nomo | but found a vlc howto also. | 05:02 |
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| nomo | I thought about how to make meego better. but that I realized I'd propose debian but being faster, so I don't. by the way, have you ever thought about doing everything 3d, opengl and stuff isn't all that wise because of the lack of working 3d on linux? | 05:09 |
| jcharpak | 3d works fine on x86 nvidia and amd and most intel | 05:10 |
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| jcharpak | it's the tablet/handset linux drivers where it's spotty | 05:11 |
| nomo | thats why I am saying it. (oh and x86 is better but also not exactly all flowers and sunshine and stuff) | 05:13 |
| nomo | jcharpak: about the archos from before. you realize that the archos kernel is in a pretty bad shape for general linux usage? android might be fine, but meego/ ubuntu/whatever will give you a pretty bad time trying. | 05:16 |
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| jcharpak | I know that there was a debian for archos project that looked like it was making progress | 05:18 |
| nomo | you shouldn't belive in openaos stuff like that. if they say XYZ is "working" then they mean something like "50-70% working" or "I looks like it might, but actually doesn't". | 05:20 |
| Corn_man | I need to break the link of thinking archos = arch linux. | 05:21 |
| jcharpak | the alternative os is openaos | 05:21 |
| jcharpak | you multiboot that and from there can install other os's | 05:22 |
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| nomo | wrong. it's SDE with angstrom linux rootfs. openaos is the project wich lets you multiboot stuff, they also trying to make other linux distos work on archos devices, but as far as I can tell, they fail. | 05:25 |
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| nomo | hey about meego... don't you think that suse OBS is also fail? wherever I look it just sucks. | 05:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | care to actually back that up with some facts? | 05:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i mean...SuSE manages to build what amounts to a distribution with the HIGHEST package count and the lowest package regression count i've EVER seen in a distribution, EVER. | 05:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it's a build system, if it builds packages, and doesn't crash, it does its job. | 05:30 |
| berndhs | builds packages for all interesting distro targets, very convenient | 05:31 |
| nomo | as long you don't try to combine that packages to something as a useable distro, that is. | 05:31 |
| Corn_man | I like OpenSUSE. | 05:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | nomo: seriously, are you actually going to back those statements up? because right now, you're looking like a troll. | 05:32 |
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| nomo | to much of a pain, because my english sucks. if it works for you, fine it's not all that bad then but I can't see why. | 05:35 |
| berndhs | nomo: you're feeling way too negative about everything. Have some tea, or a good beer, or some ice cream. Something pleasant. | 05:37 |
| Corn_man | I need a copy of hiew. | 05:37 |
| berndhs | i need a faster network :) | 05:37 |
| Corn_man | Try motel internet | 05:38 |
| Corn_man | Dial up speeds | 05:38 |
| Corn_man | "High speed" My ass. | 05:38 |
| jcharpak | ouch | 05:38 |
| berndhs | oh just my local net is too slow, 100Mbit card in the middle somewhere, its a pain to copy 120 GB | 05:38 |
| jcharpak | is it free at least? | 05:39 |
| Corn_man | yes | 05:39 |
| Corn_man | 50 kb/s Not worth even 1 dollar a gb/ Assuming you could get a gb by the time your stay is done. | 05:40 |
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| jcharpak | shoould jjust use an n900, n950, n9 whahever :) | 05:41 |
| Corn_man | Any RTOS's you guys recommend? | 05:43 |
| SpeedEvil | You can get most of a gig a day on dialup | 05:44 |
| Corn_man | SpeedEvil I was being sarcastic. | 05:44 |
| * SpeedEvil used to download a lot over dialup. | 05:44 | |
| jcharpak | "yes but who would want to" :) | 05:45 |
| jcharpak | I still remember downloading windows updates over dialup...PAINFUL | 05:46 |
| nomo | won't ISPs nowadays disrupt or disconnect dail-up connections whenever it looks like it's acually beeing used? | 05:46 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 05:47 |
| Corn_man | Doubt it. | 05:47 |
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| Corn_man | Gonna goto bed | 05:49 |
| Corn_man | G'nite | 05:49 |
| jcharpak | night! | 05:49 |
| berndhs | night | 05:50 |
| Corn_man | Be back in the morning | 05:50 |
| meivi | )= my internship sucks | 05:50 |
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| Termana | jcharpak, updates? Meaning more than one? You only need one update to Windows | 05:50 |
| Termana | An update to a Linux distro | 05:50 |
| Termana | ba dum tss :p | 05:50 |
| berndhs | meivi: we wont tell your employer thats not paying you :) | 05:51 |
| jcharpak | well yeah major reason I switched to dapper drake | 05:51 |
| meivi | berndhs, yea, thanks | 05:51 |
| jcharpak | of course I then got cablle modemm like a month later :) | 05:51 |
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| Termana | meivi, that's not something you go and tell a room full of employees at the same company. That is, if your whois information is anything to go by | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:55 |
| meivi | Yea, i know my proxy is listed. Still, im bored | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Internships - unpaid - is a fairly toxic concept. | 05:56 |
| meivi | actually im getting paid.. | 05:56 |
| Termana | Unpaid internships are illegal in Australia, I thought there would be some sort of the same thing in the US | 05:56 |
| meivi | can anyone help me with the gstreamer thing... | 05:57 |
| Termana | meivi, well, it's like 11pm there at the moment isn't it? Is that possibly why you are bored? :p | 05:57 |
| meivi | nope, 11 am here | 05:58 |
| jcharpak | well it's 11:00 PM here. Good Night All! | 06:00 |
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| araujo | mmm... | 06:46 |
| araujo | anybody knows if the meego netbook version is or recently was in some freeze mode state? | 06:47 |
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| Stskeeps | /last stsk | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | /last stsk | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 07:04 |
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| * dm8tbr passes Stskeeps a jug of espresso | 07:14 | |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 07:14 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, not a terminal window :p | 07:14 |
| Termana | (on reflection that doesn't look like something you would be doing in a terminal window and also since you irssi, that would probably be incorrect anyway) | 07:16 |
| Termana | you use* | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | irssi has /last :P | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | very useful for seeing what highlighted you | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | Ulf^: was already asleep at that point :) | 07:17 |
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| twoboxen | question for you folks… in the qt project file, what is maemo6 harmattans make spec? I see maemo5, symbian, unix, etc | 07:57 |
| twoboxen | meego, maemo6, harmattan, etc don't work | 07:58 |
| sofar | ask in #harmattan ? | 07:58 |
| twoboxen | k | 07:58 |
| * Stskeeps stretches | 08:02 | |
| * sofar fiddles with bootchart | 08:02 | |
| Stskeeps | good thing about summers: way more time to actually stablize meego core as everyone's gone :P | 08:04 |
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| Bostik | morning | 08:14 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 08:15 |
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| sofar | Stskeeps: since all the kernels are fubar, plenty to do :/ | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | when sage's back we'll get the core-armv7hl images up and running so we can start verifying things work there | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | i think i'm on some ancient snapshot | 08:26 |
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| sofar | alright, I prettified bootchart some more | 08:27 |
| RST38h | Even funnier: QtSDK does not let me create a Windows app target | 08:27 |
| sofar | the pss option now also paints a top #10 PSS users table at the top | 08:27 |
| RST38h | Only offers Harmattan, then fails in dh_make | 08:27 |
| sofar | and the labels should be more readable | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 08:28 |
| sofar | also | 08:28 |
| sofar | Stskeeps: I now calculate the size properly so you can use chrome to super-fast display them properly | 08:28 |
| sofar | chrome has an insanely good svg rendering engine | 08:28 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:29 |
| RST38h | Ok, uninstalling QtSDK. Unusable. | 08:29 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find out why xbmc configure commits suicide mid-configure | 08:29 | |
| sofar | http://foo-projects.org/~sofar/bootchart-20110727-2219.svg | 08:29 |
| sofar | xbmc isn't easy to build | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. but it thinks sizeof int is 0 | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | which is pretty fun | 08:30 |
| sofar | haha | 08:30 |
| sofar | n900 data types ;) | 08:30 |
| RST38h | Oh, it gets even funnier: instead of uninstalling asrequested, this thing offers you to install more features | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | sofar: it would certainly explain memory usage ;) | 08:31 |
| ukas | names | 08:33 |
| ukas | fail | 08:33 |
| sofar | ukas: ? | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | missing / ;) | 08:33 |
| * RST38h has to give QtSDK one final credit: after some kicking it uninstalled cleanly, without leaving a mess | 08:33 | |
| sofar | ah | 08:33 |
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| ukas | yeah | 08:34 |
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| sofar | Stskeeps: pss graph is costly though... my i7 can only do 25 samples per second taking PSS data... on an atom you're down to 1-2 samples per second doing the PSS graph :) | 08:36 |
| * sofar goes to do a full boot and then get a beer | 08:37 | |
| Stskeeps | on arm you'd probably get a split second ;) | 08:38 |
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| sofar | ooo burn | 08:48 |
| sofar | rewinddir(proc); is hung | 08:48 |
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| Venemo | morning | 09:36 |
| Venemo | will MeeGo run on a Raspberry Pi? http://www.raspberrypi.org/ | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | no, armv6 | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | it would run a build of meego for armv6 yes but wouldn't be compliant | 09:40 |
| Venemo | this is ARM11 | 09:40 |
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| Venemo | why wouldn't it be compliant? | 09:40 |
| Venemo | I didn't know that ARMv7 was required for compliance | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | it is | 09:42 |
| Venemo | meh | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | the argument is that apps are built for armv7-a | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | so obviously something that can't run the apps.. | 09:43 |
| Venemo | well, in this specific case, I don't really care about compliance. :P I mean, if it's an ARMv6 CPU, then it will never be compliant anyway | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:43 |
| Venemo | I'm thinking of getting one of these devices and I want to use it as a "personal" server, running version control of the projects that I can't put onto Gitorious | 09:44 |
| Venemo | and I was wondering whether I should try using MeeGo on it, or just use the ARM version of Fedora | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | i have an armv6 build laying about of meego | 09:45 |
| Venemo | the one that you built for the N8x0 devices? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | haven't gotten around to actually trying it yet | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:45 |
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| Venemo | hehe | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, seems like a nice computer | 09:46 |
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| Venemo | so, this ARM11 thing will run ARMv6... I didn't know that yet either | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | the trimslice just went up in interest too | 09:46 |
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| vvaltone | I was just very disappointed the trimslice sata port is usb attached | 09:48 |
| vvaltone | and the lack of NEON in Tegra2 is annoying | 09:49 |
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| vvaltone | and you can get Toshiba AC100's quite cheaply in comparison | 09:51 |
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| aleksander_m | which would be the proper steps to run a graphic-less MeeGo build under qemu/kvm? should I try to follow the 1.1 doc steps to configure qemu runtimes with mad-admin and use QEMU_NOGRAPHIC? or should I just create a raw core-ia32-base image and run it under kvm/qemu? | 10:50 |
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| nchauvet | hello, where can I download the meego 1.2.0.1 core update tar.gz ? | 12:30 |
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| lcuk | hm quiet here today | 12:59 |
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| raster | shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 13:02 |
| raster | too much noise! | 13:02 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the talk of compliance etc | 13:22 |
| lcuk | it shocked people around harmattan when I mentioned fremantle debs ran happily in it | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | ermm.. when was that | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | earlier this morning with venemo talking about arch for a device | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | it will run for a limited subset that doesn't pass float values | 13:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it an inherent property of the processor that can't be trapped, and you need to run qemu - or can you in principle trap on it, and handle it differently, ala-387 | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: it puts floating point values in floating point registers, instead of integer | 13:30 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, so it is a speed thing rather than incompatability? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | incompatibility | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | so softfp puts arguments on (d0,d1) and calls into harpfp compiled library which expects them in (fp0,fp1) so gets garbage instead | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | right | 13:33 |
| lcuk | and since there is no way to tell the difference for the callee it will not work | 13:33 |
| lcuk | that explains why libliqbase and liqbook worked (for instance) | 13:33 |
| lcuk | the low level dependencies of liqbase are all simple int functions | 13:33 |
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| lcuk | and then the lib itself gets called from softfp app | 13:34 |
| * lcuk understands now where I didn't before | 13:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | Yuk. | 13:34 |
| lcuk | but I am sure I use stuff from clib | 13:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | So you basically'd need to run qemu. | 13:34 |
| lcuk | or libc or whatever | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm. Or ld_preloaded translation libraries that mangle in the right way? | 13:35 |
| lcuk | for some reason my fingers type harpfp | 13:35 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: .o/ | 13:36 |
| lcuk | morning CosmoHill \o | 13:36 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you just need the whole stack to be compiled with the correct kind of mangling | 13:37 |
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| * CosmoHill quickly plugs the cable back in | 13:38 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, on my meego ideapad I am enjoying reading books | 13:39 |
| lcuk | and surprisingly, droid fonts are readable | 13:39 |
| * lcuk prefers Nokia sans though | 13:40 | |
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| lcuk | I should try Pure on it | 13:40 |
| lcuk | but we need to explicitly ask for permission from Nokia to include it in an image | 13:40 |
| timoph | lcuk: what was the name of the community game again? (forgot already :) ) | 13:41 |
| lcuk | timoph, community game? | 13:41 |
| timoph | the meego.com version of karma | 13:41 |
| timoph | thing | 13:41 |
| lcuk | oh, the MeeGoVerse! | 13:41 |
| timoph | that's it! | 13:42 |
| * lcuk reads too much scifi! | 13:42 | |
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| timoph | was thinking about the motivation to having it | 13:42 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGoVerse | 13:42 |
| lcuk | timoph, it was just growing based on the idea that MeeGo involvemenet is not much different to a MMORPG | 13:43 |
| timoph | IMO it's a good way to introduce different areas in meego that one can contribute to, etc. | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Why did I think of McGonagall when meegoverse was mentioned. | 13:43 |
| lcuk | bug triaging and stuff is like mining in WoW | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | timoph, :D | 13:43 |
| timoph | so we don't end up like maemo.org where there's a ton of people who think tmo == the community | 13:43 |
| lcuk | indeed | 13:44 |
| CosmoHill | tmo? | 13:44 |
| timoph | talk.maemo.org | 13:44 |
| lcuk | or likewise just irc or mailing list | 13:44 |
| CosmoHill | isn't that a bad place? | 13:44 |
| lcuk | expansion of skills | 13:44 |
| lcuk | tmo is awesome | 13:44 |
| timoph | :) | 13:44 |
| timoph | at least used to be | 13:44 |
| lcuk | it can be | 13:44 |
| CosmoHill | wait, forums.nokia << that's the bad place | 13:44 |
| timoph | true | 13:44 |
| lcuk | it depends on the thread | 13:44 |
| timoph | I pretty much gave up on it | 13:45 |
| timoph | just too much noise | 13:45 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps did, but he is still addicted | 13:45 |
| * CosmoHill quit a forum twice, he's not admin on it | 13:45 | |
| timoph | :) | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | now* | 13:45 |
| timoph | hehe | 13:45 |
| * lcuk can smell fire, brb | 13:45 | |
| timoph | well I do read it every once in a while | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | if he times out .... | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol | 13:54 |
| timoph | lcuk: managed to put out the fire? | 13:54 |
| lcuk | not near us | 13:54 |
| lcuk | could just smell it | 13:54 |
| timoph | ah. I thought you were cooking :p | 13:54 |
| lcuk | that would indeed be worse | 13:55 |
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| * lcuk does not leave kitchen when cooking as general rule | 13:55 | |
| arfoll | anyone here have any idea when hyperthreading on 1155 i7 was supported in the kernel? | 13:55 |
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| timoph | lcuk: yet again you dominate the irc stats on the community metrics :) | 13:56 |
| lcuk | timoph, I will stop asking questions then! | 13:57 |
| timoph | 10 x my lines :) | 13:57 |
| lcuk | timoph, the stats are a bit wibbly though | 13:58 |
| lcuk | I think they are only this channel | 13:58 |
| timoph | "lcuk yelled 64 times" | 13:58 |
| timoph | yep | 13:58 |
| lcuk | it is just I prefer talking here to try and include most folks from the meegosphere | 13:58 |
| lcuk | I DO NOT YELL! | 13:58 |
| timoph | doesn't include other meego channels afaik | 13:58 |
| jussi | lcuk: YOU LIE! :P | 13:59 |
| timoph | :D | 13:59 |
| lcuk | jussi, :D | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Or #harmattan - which is a bit debatably meego, though probably not. | 13:59 |
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| timoph | harmattan is a bit of an gray area | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | well I am going to spend the afternoon with the sgx | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | which is harmattan(m6) + meego patches | 14:01 |
| * timoph is still waiting to be able to boot ce on it | 14:02 | |
| timoph | lcuk: btw, samegame is now available for ce in my obs home :) | 14:03 |
| lcuk | timoph, :D | 14:04 |
| lcuk | I am somehow attempting to get understanding of the sgx binary and it is confusing | 14:04 |
| timoph | trying to sort out the tearing bug? | 14:05 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:05 |
| lcuk | it annoyed me more because I found a workaround | 14:05 |
| lcuk | actually noticed the same bug happen in harmattan | 14:06 |
| timoph | oh | 14:06 |
| lcuk | and in brainwave reduced the screen resolution to 800*480 | 14:06 |
| lcuk | which "cured" it | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | so tried same on n900-ce | 14:06 |
| lcuk | and liqbase works really really fast at 640*480 | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | but there is an annoying border artifact in meego-ce and harmattan | 14:07 |
| timoph | weird | 14:07 |
| lcuk | and I want to get the default video working | 14:07 |
| lcuk | sintel on n900-ce does not play | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | so, I don't exactly know how the sgx works or how to actually do development from source rpms or obs | 14:08 |
| lcuk | bu if I don't have a go at fixing this, no body will | 14:09 |
| timoph | yep | 14:09 |
| * lcuk rolls up sleeves and has a go | 14:09 | |
| lcuk | bbl \o | 14:09 |
| timoph | build your own lightsaber | 14:09 |
| timoph | that's the way to go | 14:09 |
| lcuk | i have one of those :P | 14:09 |
| timoph | o/ | 14:09 |
| timoph | :D | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | and a jedi cape! | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | lbt, lbt_hel \o | 14:52 |
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| lbt | ta lcuk... didn't notice that | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | lbt, where are latest shopper sources | 15:14 |
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| lcuk | well that was fun | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | sgx development installation on my n950 is a bit unpractical | 15:17 |
| lcuk | reflashing it now :P | 15:17 |
| lbt | lcuk: nah ... that's all QWidget based | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | lbt, qwidget still works you know | 15:18 |
| lbt | have you seen the shit I'm getting in #harmattan .... no time for shopper I'm afraid ;) | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and as far as I recall you used your own colour styling on it | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | so should look like you designed it | 15:18 |
| lbt | I did | 15:18 |
| lcuk | lbt yeah I have | 15:18 |
| lbt | I do want to make it work ... but want to do it "the right way"... | 15:19 |
| lcuk | for sure | 15:19 |
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| albanc | stormer, px_proxy_factory_get_proxies() as implemented by pacrunner returns either "direct://" or "http://host:port" when configured manually (without a js script). It cannot return another scheme. | 16:37 |
| albanc | stormer, does it mean it does not support secure proxy or socks? | 16:38 |
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| thiago | https proxy? | 16:40 |
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| albanc | the original libproxy can return a different proxy depending on the scheme of the requested URL. But pacrunner does not read the scheme of the requested URL in manual configuration: it just pick the first server. | 16:41 |
| albanc | thiago, I think that means proxies with the CONNECT command but I'm not sure | 16:41 |
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| thiago | "http" proxy usually means both GET and CONNECT | 16:43 |
| thiago | "https" proxies would assume an SSL connection is established before the GET/CONNECT | 16:43 |
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| albanc | the original libproxy returns a config url as "scheme://user:passwd@proxy_host:port" where scheme is either "http" or "socks". It prefers a socks proxy if there is one. But the pacrunner libproxy only returns http | 16:48 |
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| thiago | socks proxies usually can do passive (listening) connections | 16:50 |
| stormer | albanc, it wont support secure proxy | 16:50 |
| thiago | but http proxies are better for, well, HTTP :-) | 16:50 |
| stormer | albanc, the https scheme means that the proxy supports HTTP Connect (which in reality not all do) | 16:50 |
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| thiago | so the way I designed the QNetworkProxyFactory API, it gets the URL we're trying to connect to so it can decide which proxy to return | 16:51 |
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| stormer | thiago, well what I saying there is the design decision in libproxy | 16:51 |
| thiago | stormer: without CONNECT, the proxy can't do transparent connections. It's really useless. | 16:51 |
| stormer | thiago, well it depends on you network, you might use HTTP for HTTP, and SOCKS for https | 16:52 |
| stormer | thiago, the point of an HTTP proxy is mainly for caching, you can't cache HTTPs | 16:52 |
| albanc | stormer, if the GConf contains several proxies http, ftp, socks, which one should I give to pacrunner? | 16:52 |
| stormer | albanc, all of them | 16:53 |
| albanc | stormer, with its implementation, it will return the first one only | 16:53 |
| thiago | stormer: usually, HTTP proxies allow CONNECT on at least port 443 | 16:53 |
| albanc | with a http:// scheme | 16:53 |
| stormer | albanc, if pacrunner is a decent implementation, it should be able to decide what to do base the scheme | 16:53 |
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| stormer | thiago, as I already said, that depend on the server | 16:54 |
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| stormer | thiago, doing random try and error is super time expensive, so going in the "let the application guess" is not best imho | 16:54 |
| albanc | stormer, it is not because I can only give it a list of servers without specifying what kind of proxy it is, and it will return only the first one with "http://" prepended | 16:54 |
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| stormer | albanc, so you mean pacrunner does not have the difference between http and https ? | 16:55 |
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| albanc | exactly, and it does not seem to know socks | 16:55 |
| stormer | albanc, that was silly since all browser make that difference | 16:55 |
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| stormer | That is even more silly | 16:56 |
| albanc | well, there is for the manual configuration only | 16:56 |
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| albanc | I can generate on the fly javascript code which can do the right thing | 16:56 |
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| albanc | the script has access to the requested URL, so it's possible to do the right thing... | 16:57 |
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| stormer | that would be an option, a bit expansive though | 16:58 |
| albanc | do you know where I can find example of javascript parsing the url to return a proxy? | 16:59 |
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| stormer | those are PAC | 17:01 |
| stormer | albanc, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier_.PAC | 17:01 |
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| stormer | albanc, shit, there is a bug in libproxy | 17:05 |
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| albanc | stormer, what is the bug? | 17:10 |
| stormer | albanc, so PAC does not have difference between HTTP and HTTPs, wondering if libproxy really return something different actually, don't rembember | 17:10 |
| stormer | albanc, wel might not be | 17:10 |
| albanc | libproxy returns either "direct://" or "http://..." or "socks://..." | 17:11 |
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| albanc | when the requested url is ftp or https, it still returns a "http://" proxy | 17:12 |
| stormer | albanc, let me correct something, the http/https settings is decision making only, whatever http or https it is, libproxy return http:// | 17:13 |
| albanc | yes | 17:13 |
| stormer | albanc, addtionnaly it can return socks4:// and socks5:// | 17:13 |
| albanc | Does chromium and other browsers support socks*:// ? | 17:14 |
| stormer | so in PAC that mean you can have PROXY host:port ; SOCKS host:port; SOCKS4 host:port; SOCKS5 host:port; DIRECT | 17:14 |
| stormer | albanc, yep, all browsers supports socks | 17:14 |
| albanc | and libsoup too? | 17:14 |
| stormer | albanc, some are socks5 only, some may try 5 then 4, and top one tries 5 then 4a then 4 (like glib) | 17:15 |
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| stormer | libsoup should support socks | 17:15 |
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| stormer | but would have to ask Danw | 17:16 |
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| albanc | In pacrunner, I would also have to add an "if" statement for SOCKS: http://pastebin.com/q7Ps8mJw | 17:21 |
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| stormer | right, it's obviously missing | 17:22 |
| stormer | and while your there, add SOCKS4/SOCKS5 (a MS extension) | 17:22 |
| albanc | Should I return "socks://..." in all cases? (SOCKS, SOCKS4, SOCKS5) | 17:22 |
| stormer | I think it's MS, but I vagualy remember, some sys-admin came up with a PAC that worked on windows but not on libproxy, which was using that | 17:23 |
| stormer | albanc, that's up to you, in libproxy we return socksX:// | 17:23 |
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| stormer | glib supports socks:// socks4:// socks4a:// and socks5:// | 17:23 |
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| stormer | But tbh socks:// and socks5:// are the only one that are really used those days | 17:24 |
| albanc | ok, so better do the same | 17:24 |
| stormer | being precise will make connection faster, but changing SOCKS5 into socks:// is probably "safer" | 17:24 |
| stormer | as most people will assume socks5 | 17:25 |
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| stormer | and glib tries socks5 first | 17:25 |
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| albanc | Does QNetworkProxyFactory use libproxy and will it be fine with socksX://? | 17:27 |
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| stormer | thiago, ^ | 17:28 |
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| stormer | albanc, btw, PROXY in pac mean protocol specific proxy, so what proxy type make sense base on the protocol, which SOCKS is generic proxy | 17:30 |
| stormer | in the browser world, PROXY mean http | 17:31 |
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| stormer | as HTTP/HTTPS/GOPHER/FTP are all proxies using http dialect | 17:31 |
| stormer | *proxied | 17:31 |
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| thiago | albanc: no, it doesn't | 17:35 |
| thiago | there's a pending merge request to add the functionality | 17:35 |
| thiago | but considering we already have a pacrunner code that uses QtScript, I'd rather simply read the same files (not GConf) that store the proxy settings and use our own runner | 17:36 |
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| albanc | fair enough. I was just wondering whether my patch would break things for non-glib users of libproxy | 17:37 |
| thiago | the proxy settings should be stored somewhere central | 17:39 |
| thiago | possibly even in connman | 17:39 |
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| thiago | proxy settings per connection | 17:41 |
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| delac | what would be the easiest way to automatically resolve city or country the user is in? I do have geo and ip information available. The app is mostly written in QML but uses c++ too. | 18:27 |
| Elleo | delac: geoclue is in my repository if that's any help | 18:27 |
| Elleo | well, for harmattan | 18:28 |
| Elleo | but it shouldn't be hard to build it for something else if that's what you need | 18:28 |
| delac | Elleo: yes, I can use geoclue, but the location info from ip is not that reliable (complete). | 18:29 |
| delac | Elleo: can it resolve the city from geo info? | 18:29 |
| Elleo | well it has various geocoder backends | 18:30 |
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| Elleo | so presumably it should be able to | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Ulf^: yep? | 19:34 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, are all the dependencies actually available publicly to build and work with it? | 19:42 |
| * lcuk banging head on brick wall attempting to make this work | 19:42 | |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: well, SGX drivers + headers | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, all stuff to build it with it | 19:46 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i can't even build the pristint m6 .tar.gz in scratchbox | 19:49 |
| lcuk | prinstine | 19:49 |
| * lcuk will have to get obs working with it | 19:49 | |
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| timoph | lbt: X-Fade: c.obs dead? | 20:31 |
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| * arfoll is going to follow in CosmoHill's example | 20:43 | |
| * CosmoHill highfives arfoll | 20:43 | |
| CosmoHill | my friend should be here in a minute then we can go get the pizza and some drink for him | 20:43 |
| arfoll | hope you're not offended i'm replacing the cider wih Cisk (local beer) | 20:44 |
| lcuk | i am going to try and make a polyfill tonight, probably aided by alcohol | 20:44 |
| CosmoHill | arfoll: i wouldn't be offended unless you replaced cider with my mum | 20:44 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: is the alcohol going in you or the polyfiller? | 20:46 |
| arfoll | lol i'll remember that | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, i have been trying to do polyfill for ages | 20:47 |
| CosmoHill | oh, graphics, not DIY | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | its one of those silly routines that when broken down into components is simple | 20:47 |
| lcuk | lol yeah | 20:47 |
| lcuk | graphics wise | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | each component requires much brainwork to understand | 20:47 |
| lcuk | timoph, liqbook 0.4 is on the maemo repositories | 20:48 |
| lcuk | and on my ideapad the scrolling and readability is scrumptious | 20:48 |
| lcuk | i have read 3 books in the last few days on it | 20:48 |
| lcuk | and it scrolls better and is actually book sized | 20:49 |
| lcuk | i will update the itp with it | 20:49 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110725_163156.liqbookreader.scr.png | 20:49 |
| timoph | cool | 20:50 |
| lcuk | if I can ever get over the learning curve for obs proper use and development best practices for complex (ie sgx packages) then liqbase will be trivial to port | 20:50 |
| lcuk | timoph, you are in the liqbase info page too :P | 20:51 |
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| timoph | \o/ | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | timoph, http://liqbase.net/liq.20110728_185424.liqbookreader.scr.png | 20:55 |
| * lcuk will add column buttons on right hand side spacer column for page updown | 20:56 | |
| timoph | have I really been shouting about testing that much :p | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | timoph, no, but calm considered approach to the work in -qa sinks in :) | 21:03 |
| timoph | ;) | 21:03 |
| * timoph is not always that calm | 21:04 | |
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| lcuk | timoph, me neither | 21:09 |
| * lcuk was just headbanging | 21:09 | |
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| timoph | lcuk: headdesking helps every now and then :) | 21:10 |
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| vgrade | just seen this for the first time. Would be great to do a similar one when with MeeGo | 21:26 |
| vgrade | http://vimeo.com/26761121 | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk being composited | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | everyone getting composited | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:28 |
| w00t | haha | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | the good old times | 21:28 |
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| lbt | timoph: mmm is it | 21:32 |
| timoph | lbt: not anymore it seems :) | 21:34 |
| lbt | good.... I'm really sorry about the flakiness at the moment. | 21:36 |
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| * KaIRC wonders if http://wiki.meego.com/Devices should actually point out devices that _ship_ with MeeGo differently than ones where someone has got MeeGo to run in some way | 22:11 | |
| Jartza | IMO it should. | 22:12 |
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| KaIRC | right now, it either makes the impression that a lot of devices ship with MeeGo, or that none does | 22:13 |
| timoph | maybe the devices should be separated there to devices with meego preinstalled and devices that can be hacked to run meego | 22:14 |
| timoph | hacked/installed | 22:15 |
| KaIRC | timoph: at least it should be pointed out somehow, yes - separate sections might even make sense (though that might give us discussions again on where N9 belongs) | 22:15 |
| timoph | :) | 22:15 |
| dm8tbr | a very clear 'sort of' | 22:16 |
| KaIRC | hehe | 22:16 |
| KaIRC | dm8tbr: why isn't Archos101 listed there, btw? I thought one could run MeeGo there? | 22:18 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: I believe I put gen7 there a while ago | 22:18 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: then the whole 'you have to be compliant' desaster happened | 22:18 |
| dm8tbr | and now I'm running/ramping-up formeego.org | 22:18 |
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| KaIRC | dm8tbr: oh, hmm, and all the other things on that page have easily available fully compliant versions? | 22:20 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: but yes, someone(tm) should put it there | 22:20 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: hint - It's a wiki :p | 22:20 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: yes, see my someone(tm) statement | 22:20 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: there is no such thing as a compliant meego device IMHO | 22:20 |
| timoph | ah | 22:21 |
| dm8tbr | or better a compliant meego hardware adaptation | 22:21 |
| KaIRC | timoph: umm, I see that page has a "released devices" section, which I guess someone meant to be that "shipped with MeeGo" thing but is not clearly explained | 22:21 |
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| KaIRC | dm8tbr: right, I meant "fully compliant MeeGo installs/images" that exist for those devices... I'm not so sure of that | 22:22 |
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| KaIRC | dm8tbr: and so, archos101 belongs there as much as any other, I'd guess | 22:22 |
| dm8tbr | I'd be willing to bet serious money that such a constellation doe not exist | 22:22 |
| KaIRC | hehe | 22:22 |
| dm8tbr | especially not for meego 1.2 | 22:23 |
| KaIRC | where does the N900 CE stand there from a completely official POV? | 22:23 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: I used to host the CE images on images.formeego.org when it was still called http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/ | 22:23 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, david, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 22:23 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: and one requirement is that the images hosted there are non-compliant by definition and shall not be named meego-...img but mg-img | 22:24 |
| KaIRC | I know you had them on there some time ago, but they're advertised as "real MeeGo" after all :P | 22:24 |
| dm8tbr | well it is (used to be) the reference hardware for ARM | 22:25 |
| KaIRC | true | 22:25 |
| dm8tbr | which should aim to be as compliant as possible | 22:25 |
| dm8tbr | so both n900 and exopc are probably the closest to compliant hardware adaptations | 22:25 |
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| KaIRC | well, nowadays, the CE UX is a mess - but no wonder when you mix an unfinished handset UX with apps written for the tablet UX | 22:26 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: actually I would have lost my bet, exopc in the wetab variety apparently got recertified as meego core compliant. but I'm not sure, don't have a source for that at hand. | 22:26 |
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| KaIRC | dm8tbr: oh, you're saying that exopc and wetab are just varieties? | 22:27 |
| dm8tbr | same hardware, really | 22:27 |
| KaIRC | interesting | 22:27 |
| dm8tbr | exopc will run wetab images | 22:27 |
| * KaIRC still wonders what hardware he should get for himself as a MeeGo tablet | 22:28 | |
| dm8tbr | there is a whole guide how to multi-boot win7, meego, ubuntu and wetab by an intel guy | 22:28 |
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| dm8tbr | KaIRC: if you want to get into weight lifting and fans, an exopc | 22:28 |
| KaIRC | who needs win7 anyhow? ;-) | 22:28 |
| dm8tbr | apparently it's surprisingly usable on the hardware (didn't try) | 22:29 |
| dm8tbr | and the hw comes with a sticker on the back | 22:29 |
| KaIRC | dm8tbr: well, the exopc is expensive compared to a wetab... | 22:29 |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: it costs you the trip to an app-up event ;) | 22:29 |
| KaIRC | dm8tbr: which means missing at least one work day, which isn't that cheap in the end | 22:29 |
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| dm8tbr | KaIRC: for me the event was a work event (the app up time wasn't though) | 22:30 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/04/happy-frogs-meego-summit-finland-2011-tieto/ | 22:30 |
| KaIRC | and the one "nearest" to me (i.e. only 5h or so away on the train) did pass already, AFAIK | 22:30 |
| dm8tbr | I hear there is one during desktop summit | 22:31 |
| KaIRC | even further away, and I'd miss work as well | 22:31 |
| KaIRC | dm8tbr: you're lucky, then... even if my employer has some interest in mobile devices, what I work for is not related to such things at all | 22:32 |
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| KaIRC | s/my employer/the entity I contract for/ | 22:33 |
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| infobot | KaIRC meant: dm8tbr: you're lucky, then... even if the entity I contract for has some interest in mobile devices, what I work for is not related to such things at all | 22:33 |
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| KaIRC | heh, infobot is funny | 22:33 |
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| dm8tbr | yepp | 22:33 |
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| dm8tbr | KaIRC: my daytime project has nothing to do with meego (so much I can say) | 22:33 |
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| KaIRC | dm8tbr: well, I can say anything I want about what I work, but it's still not related to MeeGo in any way other than openness ;-) | 22:35 |
| * KaIRC wished that was different, but for that, MeeGo would probably need to be an important player in the market | 22:37 | |
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| dm8tbr | *nod* | 22:38 |
| dm8tbr | also IIRC the browser engine is no longer fennec on N900CE | 22:39 |
| KaIRC | I thought the main browser still was fennec - just that they ship two other browsers in addition | 22:40 |
| dm8tbr | possible | 22:40 |
| * KaIRC really need to get a newer CE image - if only |zypper dup| would do that flawlessly so he wouldn't lose any settings | 22:41 | |
| dm8tbr | KaIRC: tar up your home directory and etc :/ | 22:41 |
| dm8tbr | and yes, I also have my reservations as to the fact that dup breaks things catastrophically | 22:42 |
| KaIRC | that really needs to be fixed | 22:42 |
| dm8tbr | last time tried that on an exopc image: the whole UI fubared | 22:42 |
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| dm8tbr | maybe(tm) once they move to wayland and things stabilize... (haha) | 22:44 |
| KaIRC | sure | 22:45 |
| KaIRC | let's move to more experimental core software to stabilize ;-) | 22:45 |
| KaIRC | but then, dup should not even be related to something like that - it works fine for openSUSE | 22:46 |
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| dm8tbr | KaIRC: the problem here is that meego is not a distro, it's that business thing | 22:55 |
| dm8tbr | (which you can build a distro upon and would then need to ensure things like dup work) | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, except even i dont buy that :P a vendor cant both be compliant and fix a huge upgrade conflict | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | we should really test upgrades in meego | 22:59 |
| dm8tbr | bring it up at the next TSG? (yeah yeah I know) | 22:59 |
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| Stskeeps | qa is better | 23:00 |
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| dm8tbr | meego should be backwards compliant within releases! ;) | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | ok a better question: | 23:06 |
| lcuk | what is the easiest way to install meego and keep up with the leading edge? | 23:06 |
| auke | zypper dup against trunk | 23:06 |
| dm8tbr | reinstall daily, reinstall often | 23:06 |
| auke | or that | 23:06 |
| KaIRC | auke: that should be it ideally | 23:06 |
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| auke | trunk:testing is impossible to track | 23:07 |
| dm8tbr | _ideally_ | 23:07 |
| auke | but trunk isn't so bad | 23:07 |
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| dm8tbr | upgradeability seems to be an total afterthought | 23:07 |
| auke | I mostly zypper dup against trunk | 23:07 |
| auke | but then again, I live in pinetrail land | 23:07 |
| dm8tbr | as mic2 fosters the culture of one-off-shot images | 23:07 |
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| auke | dm8tbr: upgradeability is something for _after_ a release | 23:07 |
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| auke | which is why there are updates | 23:08 |
| lcuk | auke, and something practiced between. | 23:08 |
| iluminator101 | is anyone running meego with kernel 3.0 | 23:08 |
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| dm8tbr | auke: depends, if you don't do it before, you usually won't get it right after | 23:08 |
| auke | iluminator101: there's a 3.0 pc kernel in trunk:testing | 23:08 |
| auke | you can't upgrade a system 'hot' from rpm 4.8 to rpm 4.9 | 23:08 |
| auke | so | 23:08 |
| auke | some stuff just won't work | 23:09 |
| dm8tbr | iluminator101: n9(|50|00) CE also has some experimental 3.0 kernel | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, N9x0 will suffice :) | 23:14 |
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