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| sosborn | Anyone know why I'm getting: "Running non-meego graphics system enabled MeeGo touch, forcing native graphicssystem" | 01:06 |
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| sosborn | I just created a simple meego touch app to test out | 01:06 |
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| vgrade | anyone having OBS issues with packages not publishing to repo | 01:10 |
| lcuk | yes vgrade | 01:11 |
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| berndhs | vgrade: arfoll was complaining about it bit more than an hour ago | 01:13 |
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| vgrade | berndhs, I know the guys have been working hard on the update during the weekend and into Monday. I'll ping them tomorrow | 02:09 |
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| Reffy | Hmmmm | 02:58 |
| Reffy | Newest QtSDK, I can't seem to find QWebView (c++) | 02:58 |
| Reffy | Strange | 02:58 |
| Reffy | Harmattan SDK*** | 02:58 |
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| thiago | Reffy: in your .pro file, do you have QT += webkit ? | 03:09 |
| special | thiago: you're up late | 03:10 |
| Reffy | Ahhhh | 03:10 |
| thiago | special: no, I'm not | 03:10 |
| Reffy | That wouldn't be the first time I forgot | 03:10 |
| Reffy | I'll never learn | 03:10 |
| Reffy | Thanks | 03:10 |
| special | over in the US, then? | 03:10 |
| thiago | special: no | 03:11 |
| thiago | Brazil | 03:11 |
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| special | ah, interesting. Just business? | 03:12 |
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| bemasc | I don't know if this is a good channel for N950-related topics ... but is Nokia's login system (apparently required for "maps" and "drive") down for everyone or just for me? | 04:23 |
| bemasc | and while I'm at it, has anyone else noticed that the onscreen keyboard is sometimes invisible in the Terminal App ? | 04:24 |
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| marcosx86 | I need some help dualbooting meego and maemo | 04:31 |
| marcosx86 | Installed U-Boot, it works, boots maemo | 04:31 |
| marcosx86 | but when I go "run mmcboot" | 04:31 |
| marcosx86 | it doesnt boot it | 04:32 |
| marcosx86 | how can I setup the meego kernel to uboot? | 04:32 |
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| marcosx86_ | how can I setup the meego kernel to uboot? | 04:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | bemasc: #harmattan | 04:53 |
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| bemasc | SpeedEvil: thanks. looks like a known bug. | 05:00 |
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| prottt | Hey! | 05:20 |
| prottt | I have Samsung NF210 | 05:21 |
| prottt | and ofcourse the backlight problem | 05:21 |
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| prottt | and also, when i hit fn + uparrow, it will disable my keyboard | 05:21 |
| prottt | or maybe both up and down | 05:21 |
| prottt | any solutions ? to get my backlight to work | 05:22 |
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| Joosep | anyone active here? | 06:00 |
| Joosep | if I click on for example Pictures folder, meego just does´nt do anything | 06:01 |
| Joosep | what should I do ? | 06:01 |
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| Joosep | anyone ? | 06:07 |
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| Joss | still noone here? | 06:32 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:36 |
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| djszapi_ | Does the page "https://build.pub.meego.com/" work for anybody ? It loads empty page by me. | 09:09 |
| Ronksu | nope, doesn't work | 09:10 |
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| djszapi_ | lbt X-Fade maintainance period ? | 09:11 |
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| iekku | morning | 09:21 |
| dm8tbr | moarning | 09:21 |
| vgrade | morning | 09:21 |
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| Myrtti | moin | 09:26 |
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| arfoll | another morning without c.obs? :-( | 09:29 |
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| vgrade | arfoll,looks like its really dead. Stopped responding at all late last night. | 09:31 |
| vgrade | lbt, X-Fade, any update on this. Do you guys need a hand? | 09:32 |
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| arfoll | uhm you must have been up late because it was working at midnight ;-) | 09:32 |
| * arfoll thinks they probably need sleep with all the recent trouble | 09:32 | |
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| vgrade | arfol, I was | 09:36 |
| vgrade | arfoll, I was up late | 09:36 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey Intel guys, how long we can expect that a particular Atom variant might be available, in general? Are there some that have long-term support and not others? I see Intel has done some second-sourcing of Atom, but not a lot? | 10:31 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:28 |
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| Venemo_N950_webc | djszapi, ping | 11:31 |
| djszapi | pong | 11:31 |
| Venemo_N950_webc | djszapi, could you please look at something for me? | 11:32 |
| djszapi | sure thing :) | 11:32 |
| MSM|Cat | :) | 11:33 |
| Venemo_N950_webc | unfortunately I can't paste to this damn web interface... | 11:33 |
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| Venemo_N950_webc | however I'd appreciate if you could look at QTCREATORBU-5459 | 11:33 |
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| Venemo_N950_webc | djszapi, they are in desperate need of your expertise with Aegis | 11:34 |
| Venemo_N950_webc | djszapi, it's about the bug I talked to you earlier | 11:35 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 13:09 |
| djszapi | hi lcuk sup | 13:10 |
| lcuk | hi djszapi, checking bug movements and mail etc | 13:10 |
| lcuk | how is your kdelibs build doing? | 13:10 |
| djszapi | is not going :) | 13:11 |
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| lcuk | well last I saw yesterday people were having issues | 13:12 |
| djszapi | kdelibs is a monstrum :D | 13:13 |
| djszapi | * monster, I mean huge. | 13:13 |
| lcuk | vgrade and arfoll had issues with publishing, I gather lbt and X-Fade and the team are working on it (hopefully cured?) | 13:14 |
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| bkalinga | hi all, by mistake i deleted /usr/lib/libQtServiceFramework.so.1 from my tablet (qemu ) | 13:23 |
| bkalinga | i know that is part of libqtserviceframework1-1.2.0~beta0+git2726-9.35.i586 | 13:23 |
| bkalinga | but dont know the repo where i can find that | 13:24 |
| bkalinga | can someone please help me | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, can you just "zypper in --force [package]" to reinstall it? | 13:25 |
| lcuk | out of note: aegis would have prevented this action I believe | 13:26 |
| bkalinga | lcuk: i think you are aware that after MeeGo1.2 release the repo url changed | 13:26 |
| vgrade | lcuk, I've had some packages published but not all | 13:26 |
| lcuk | bkalinga, ok which ux are you on? | 13:27 |
| bkalinga | so zypper in --force [package] is looking at non existing url | 13:27 |
| lcuk | vgrade, ahh | 13:27 |
| bkalinga | tablet | 13:27 |
| bkalinga | lcuk: at http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.5.20110621.84/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/ i can find libqtserviceframework1-1.2.0~beta0+git2726-16.6.i586.rpm | 13:28 |
| bkalinga | but there is a slight mismatch | 13:28 |
| bkalinga | so i am afraid to take that | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, seems to be slightly newer than anything? since you already chomped your system backup required data and give it a try | 13:31 |
| bkalinga | is it possible to find out the repo address from by looking at the name *git2726-9.35.i586 | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | not that I know of | 13:31 |
| bkalinga | lcuk: is it really hard to find out in which repo that particular .rpm exist | 13:31 |
| bkalinga | let me see in old repo.. | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: 10 bucks on bugs.otcshare.org | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: same mess as with MTF and NB# bugs :) | 13:33 |
| lcuk | whats that Stskeeps | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, bugzilla.* i mean | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: intel costumer bugzilla, i think | 13:35 |
| bkalinga | anyone know where http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/repos/oss/source is moved ? | 13:35 |
| leinir | costumer bugzilla? Their costumes not holding together, or don't look like the things they're supposed to be a costume of? ;) | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | customer, yeah | 13:35 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, ah, likely. hadn't heard of that one before | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fighting with myself if something like that is evil or not :) | 13:36 |
| w00t | I'd quite like a costume bugzilla | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | because it's a lot better than secrets in bugs.meego.com but also a good question if every single bug should be put into bugs.meego.com too | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:37 |
| andre__ | bkalinga: to the trashbin of history I guess. :) why host a snapshort from more than two months ago? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | bkalinga: archive.meego.com prolly | 13:38 |
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| andre__ | yeah, downstream-upstream relation for bugtracking is something to discuss for days... :-/ | 13:38 |
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| bkalinga | andre__: for a public release it has to there for years | 13:39 |
| andre__ | for real releases I agree. for snapshots... don't know. | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | bkalinga: technically only 1.x releases | 13:39 |
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| mcfrisk | bkalinga: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/ | 13:40 |
| bkalinga | Stskeeps:yes i am talking about MeeGo1.2 release | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | 1.2.0.90 is a snapshot :) | 13:40 |
| bkalinga | after release, within a month that repo got removed | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | 1.2/ repo still exists | 13:41 |
| bkalinga | it does not matter whether its a snapshot or trunk it it part of my /etc/zypp/repos.d/1.2-oss.repo then i take that as a stable link to be available for years | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | long story short, meego.com mirrors don't want several terabytes of releases | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | so things get moved to archive and only major releases are guaranteed to stay | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | that's 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | snapshots are just development snapshots | 13:43 |
| bkalinga | Stskeeps: i am talking about 1.2 which is a major release | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | what URL did you say got removed? | 13:43 |
| w00t | 1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1 | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | i'll hear it from bkalinga :P | 13:44 |
| w00t | ok ;) | 13:44 |
| bkalinga | if u install 1.2 your /etc/zypp/repos.d/1.2-oss.repo will have baseurl=http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/repos/oss/source | 13:44 |
| bkalinga | but it no more available | 13:44 |
| w00t | there is a valid point here in that it is really hard to install an image and track "1.2 trunk" | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.ks is 1.2 | 13:45 |
| w00t | though I don't think that is actually a desired usecase for most of them | 13:45 |
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| bkalinga | ok leave it, thanks mcfrisk: i got it, that is the correct place where it got moved | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | timoph, do the apps in your :home build for harmattan? If so, add your name on here http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/Development_repos | 13:50 |
| bkalinga | error while installing libqtserviceframework1-1.2.0~beta0+git2726-9.35.i586 http://pastebin.com/7YSvYzz0 | 13:50 |
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| timoph | lcuk: nothing that work yet :) | 13:52 |
| timoph | I'll list myself there after I get something to work | 13:52 |
| timoph | (and worth using) | 13:52 |
| lcuk | \o | 13:53 |
| * lcuk progressing nicely with calendar http://liqbase.net/20110610_002.jpg | 13:53 | |
| timoph | nice | 13:54 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | n950/harmattan has bugs - it even encounters bug 13084 | 13:55 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | when xv mode == screen resolution | 13:56 |
| * lcuk worked around by wiggling screen res | 13:56 | |
| lcuk | but the n950 has a yicky border around and some other stuff | 13:56 |
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| lcuk | I will probably use the qt build on ovi directly | 13:56 |
| lcuk | it was fun to install directly from my maemo debs | 13:57 |
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| timoph | :) | 13:59 |
| lcuk | in qt how do I know my user data folder? | 14:00 |
| lcuk | (since it changes per OS etc) | 14:00 |
| timoph | QDir::homePath() or something like that | 14:01 |
| lcuk | on symbian everything is inside its own little folder | 14:01 |
| timoph | hmmh | 14:01 |
| lcuk | so my idea of a distinct datasync tool is not gonna work | 14:01 |
| lcuk | if sketches are not in same accessible place as calendar entries or tags or any of hte other data | 14:02 |
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| w00t | QDesktopServices::storageLocation is also useful | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | thanks w00t i will take a look later and see | 14:08 |
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| mosty | how does the meego tablet UX decide which icons to use for an application in the "top applications" and "view all applications" displays? | 15:33 |
| mosty | and is there a way to trigger an update of these if they are cached? | 15:34 |
| dm8tbr | a reboot should take care of the latter | 15:36 |
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| dm8tbr | dunno if there is something to make the UX update without restarting it (not necessarily reboot) | 15:37 |
| dm8tbr | as to the icons in the applications, that's a custom directory IIRC | 15:37 |
| dm8tbr | top applications is usage based | 15:37 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, what was wget useful for? | 15:38 |
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| mosty | dm8tbr, there seem to be a couple of likely places in /usr/share/themes/<resolution>/ | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Spidering repo.pub.meego.com to find anyone who's created a Harmattan home repo/project. | 15:41 |
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| gabrbedd | MIC2 is a fickle friend | 16:33 |
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| berndhs | gabrbedd: i'm finding that out too | 16:34 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: my favorite part is how it "installs" about 800 packages... then fails because one of them failed. Doesn't tell you which... and says it's an rpmdb checksum (which doesn't make you think, "Hmmm... I have a dependency issue." | 16:36 |
| Joss | Hey, someone here? | 16:36 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: no | 16:36 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 16:36 |
| Joss | Who can help me with my brightness problem | 16:36 |
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| Joss | I have been messing with it for the last entire day | 16:37 |
| CosmoHill | if you're a dim person you'd probably be better of asking a college | 16:37 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: what's the problem? | 16:37 |
| Joss | So I have a samsung n210 netbook | 16:38 |
| Joss | The brightness up/down didnt work | 16:38 |
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| Joss | and pressing fn + down/up freezed the computer | 16:38 |
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| Joss | so now i have tried different solutions | 16:38 |
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| Joss | fn down still freezes the computer | 16:39 |
| Joss | but it also gets the brightness down | 16:39 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: what version/type of meego are you running? | 16:39 |
| Joss | and if I try to increase brightness in devices, then it will start flashin ja freezes. | 16:39 |
| Joss | the latest version | 16:39 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: The latest development version? The latest stable version? The tablet version? The netbook version? | 16:40 |
| Joss | 2.6.37.2-8.27 | 16:41 |
| Joss | netbook version | 16:41 |
| berndhs | ~seen texrat | 16:42 |
| infobot | texrat <47a4a9ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.169.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 1h 51m 45s ago, saying: 'hey berndhs'. | 16:42 |
| berndhs | oh this is special, MIC2 retrieves package version 0.1.4.5 when I know the version is not there any more | 16:43 |
| Joss | MeeGo v1.2.0.1 Netbook | 16:43 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: Sounds like you have a driver issue. There probably won't be an easy fix... because the issue spans your BIOS, video hardware, and kernel drivers. | 16:47 |
| Joss | gabrbedd: any ideas? | 16:47 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: what does `find /sys/class/backlight` give you (from a terminal)? | 16:47 |
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| Joss | find /sys/class/backlight | 16:48 |
| Joss | uuh | 16:48 |
| Joss | sry | 16:48 |
| Joss | /sys/class/backlight | 16:48 |
| Joss | /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0 | 16:48 |
| Joss | /sys/class/backlight/samsung | 16:48 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: Please file a bug at bugs.meego.com | 16:49 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: Also, that `samsung` device implies there's a specially-made samsung backlight driver that probably isn't working right. So it's probably not just a MeeGo issue, if you search around. | 16:50 |
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| Joss | this samsung backlight I installed myselft | 16:51 |
| Joss | or atleast tried to | 16:51 |
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| Joss | I tried all the solutions I could find online | 16:52 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: BTW what cpu do you have? (cat /proc/cpu | grep model) | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | cpuinfo isn't it | 16:55 |
| berndhs | that's the thing with solutions found online, the majority don't work | 16:55 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: I was just curious. | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: yeah, but i think it's /proc/cpuinfo instead ;) | 16:58 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: D'OH! | 16:58 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 16:58 |
| Joss | Intel Atom N455model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N550 @ 1.50GHz | 16:58 |
| Joss | model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N550 @ 1.50GHz | 16:58 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: FWIW, I have an Atom N450 with *no* backlight support. :-/ | 16:59 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: You've got the dual-core atom? | 16:59 |
| Joss | well on windows and ubuntu i got it working | 17:00 |
| Joss | no | 17:00 |
| mcfrisk | Q: how should kernel modules be build with OBS and MeeGo? I have this blob from Intel... | 17:01 |
| thiago | I thought the MeeGo kernel didn't use modules | 17:01 |
| thiago | wait, that's definitely wrong | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | we use modules and a few of them | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: if you ask arjan he'll probably shout at you | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:02 |
| mcfrisk | ok, separate third party kernel modules.. | 17:02 |
| mcfrisk | yes, I see the trend | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | you can look at how kmod-virtiogl or something is made | 17:02 |
| Joss | the solution I currently use is to maximize the brightness while booting | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | that's the only semi-condoned kmod we have | 17:03 |
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| mcfrisk | thanks, kmod-virtiogl seems like a good example | 17:03 |
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| gabrbedd | mcfrisk: arjan has stated several times that out-of-tree kernel modules will not be supported in MeeGo. | 17:15 |
| gabrbedd | mcfrisk: the solution is to roll your own kernel. | 17:15 |
| * gabrbedd is just the messenger, though. | 17:15 | |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: well, in meego.com.. but it is entirely possible to do them outside | 17:15 |
| Joss | gabrbedd: so I must wait for a proper solution :)? | 17:16 |
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| maligor | the kernel building seems weird in meego anyway | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't very clear, agreed, but once you understand some things .. :P | 17:17 |
| maligor | making a local obs build of a kernel damages the makefiles somehow, you can't rebuild it out of the patches files | 17:17 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: yes, it is... which is helpful when building and debugging them. | 17:17 |
| gabrbedd | maligor: FWIW, it's much more clear (to me) than when I build kernels for debian. | 17:18 |
| mcfrisk | well, Intel says to download their binary rpm's, I'd at least compile it.. | 17:18 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: I can't say. Since it's device-specific... it really falls to Samsung to provide the solution. | 17:19 |
| maligor | Can't remember what I did to get the patched tree without broken makefiles | 17:19 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: ...or for some community member to figure out how Ubuntu did it, and port the solution to MeeGo. | 17:19 |
| maligor | I definately didn't want to apply atleast 50 patches manually | 17:20 |
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| maligor | might've used rpmbuild to prepare it | 17:20 |
| gabrbedd | maligor: Don't the kernels ship with a quilt `series` file? | 17:20 |
| gabrbedd | IIRC it's kept in sync with the .spec's patch series. | 17:20 |
| Joss | in ubuntu it was easy | 17:20 |
| maligor | the patching sequence is in the .spec file | 17:20 |
| maligor | not sure if there was a serier | 17:21 |
| maligor | err.. series | 17:21 |
| Joss | just download the samsung-backlight package and you are all done | 17:21 |
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| gabrbedd | Joss: is that a kernel module or something? | 17:21 |
| Joss | i tried to install it via kernel | 17:21 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: OK, but it didn't work -- which means that *someone* has to take the time to figure out why. | 17:22 |
| gabrbedd | Joss: the way to find that someone is to file a bug. | 17:23 |
| Joss | Ok, got it. | 17:23 |
| gabrbedd | Jass: as well as discuss the issue here. :-) | 17:23 |
| Joss | :) | 17:23 |
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| albanc | stormer, I recompiled glib-networking with --with-gnome-proxy=no --with-libproxy=yes, using libproxy.so.1 from pacrunner. Then telepathy-gabble links with libgiolibproxy.so and libproxy.so.1.0.0 but it still connect directly without the proxy... | 17:34 |
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| KermitMei | Excuse me, I installed Meego on a table, but there's no virtual keyboard, How can I get it? | 18:03 |
| KermitMei | Thanks | 18:03 |
| lcuk | KermitMei, which Table did you install it onto? | 18:05 |
| * lcuk has it installed on kitchen table | 18:05 | |
| erstazi | lcuk: haha | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | KermitMei: And what image did you install? | 18:05 |
| KermitMei | Tablet PC from ViewSonic | 18:06 |
| erstazi | KermitMei: 1.1 should have a virtual keyboard | 18:06 |
| KermitMei | Atom inside | 18:06 |
| KermitMei | But I'm using 1.2. | 18:06 |
| KermitMei | Any way? | 18:06 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad#On-screen_keyboard | 18:06 |
| lcuk | try that | 18:06 |
| dm8tbr | KermitMei: did you install the tablet image or the netbook version? | 18:06 |
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| KermitMei | Meego-desktop 2.6.38.2-8.12. I think its neetbook version ... | 18:08 |
| lcuk | then try one of the later tablet builds | 18:09 |
| berndhs | i tried a 1.2.0.90 tablet build, it has a virtual keyboard | 18:09 |
| KermitMei | I remember that I haven't found the tablet version on meego's home page, and then try the netbook version | 18:10 |
| gabrbedd | KermitMei: the standard netbook version does /not/ have a virtual keyboard. | 18:11 |
| gabrbedd | KermitMei: There has not been a "stable" release of the tablet version... they're all development builds. | 18:11 |
| gabrbedd | KermitMei: here's the latest.... | 18:11 |
| KermitMei | Hmm, I see, now. | 18:11 |
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| gabrbedd | KermitMei: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.9.20110719.4/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 18:12 |
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| djszapi | lbt X-Fade how fast does a built package get into the repository as a debian file ? There are packages that were built half a day ago, but still not available from the repository. | 18:16 |
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| djszapi | (Harmattan target) | 18:17 |
| vgrade | djszapi, non Harmattan packages are also not being reliably published | 18:18 |
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| djszapi | vgrade: Could you please refine what "not reliably" means in this context ? | 18:20 |
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| berndhs | I'm seeing build.pub.meego.com say it has 0.1.4.6, whild repo.pub.meego.com still has 0.1.4.5 | 18:21 |
| vgrade | djszapi, I had some pacakges published this morning around 9am GMT but not all I submitted. I've also been getting stuck builds. My arm libmeegotouch build is in that state now. | 18:22 |
| djszapi | vgrade: I see. I gave up I will ever have a kdelibs working on /c-obs/. | 18:23 |
| djszapi | vgrade: how long does it take you to build libmeegotouch ? | 18:24 |
| berndhs | djszapi: vgrade: in the case I'm seeing, the building is trivial, its just a shell script. So the issue is pushing the build results into the repo | 18:25 |
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| vgrade | berndhs, agreed. The builds go through fine and the GUI says writted to repo. Just they dont end up there. | 18:26 |
| djszapi | berndhs: I wish the build was trivial. I have been trying to build kdelibs for 1-2 weeks on c-obs. It always worked in my environment, when I finished the debian folder content. | 18:26 |
| djszapi | the most common build issue is this "rpc" timeout for me. | 18:27 |
| berndhs | yesterday I also saw many timeouts trying to pull pacakges from the repo with mic2 | 18:28 |
| vgrade | djszapi, 14 mins for libmeegotough | 18:28 |
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| djszapi | vgrade: kdelibs is 4-5 hours :) | 18:28 |
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| vgrade | djszapi, must be your build that's causing the problem :) | 18:30 |
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| djszapi | What do you mean ? | 18:30 |
| vgrade | joke | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | I just set up a new repo in OBS and built a package successfully, but the repo won't publish | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | It says "The setup of repository is broken, build not possible" | 18:32 |
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| vgrade | fiferboy, Do you have the lorry icon, 'Repository has been published' | 18:33 |
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| djszapi | vgrade: I am not sure 6 GB physical memory is enough for the Harmattan target. | 18:35 |
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| vgrade | djszapi, the target does work sometimes , http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vgrade%3a/twingo/Harmattan/armel/ | 18:38 |
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| djszapi | vgrade: I do not doubt, but I think 6 GB is problematic for goliath builds, like KDE. | 18:39 |
| djszapi | mainly if does more compilation units in paralel. | 18:39 |
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| fiferboy | vgrade: No, I get a red error icon | 18:41 |
| vgrade | djszapi, OK I see. I notice that the main OBS does Qt builds on dedicated workers. | 18:41 |
| vgrade | fiferboy, ok, good at least your build is giving accurate status | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | Trying a rebuild of the package to see if it will trigger the right status | 18:42 |
| vgrade | lbt is on leave today has anyone seen X-Fade | 18:42 |
| djszapi | vgrade: well, I cannot mention any other reason seriously. | 18:43 |
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| fiferboy | After the build finishes it goes to a warning state saying: "State needs recalculations, former state was: Build jobs exist" | 18:43 |
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| djszapi | it is annoying, my kdelibs build finished at least 3-4 times. (they took me 4-5 hours) Afterwards, before installing, it got stuck and that was the end of the story. I think it is memory or cache issue in that stage because I cannot come up with any other reasonable arguement. :) | 18:43 |
| djszapi | vgrade ^ | 18:43 |
| lcuk | djszapi, what are you using the kdelibs for (ie which apps need them?) | 18:45 |
| djszapi | I have not known till this conversation, the "rpm timeout" comes from mic2. | 18:45 |
| vgrade | we will need to wait for the admins to look further | 18:45 |
| djszapi | lcuk: any that is ported. For instance the whole pim, but kalgebra for a nice example. | 18:45 |
| djszapi | but seriously a tons of opportunity for KDE developers to start porting their application to this phone. Do not forget, KDE != plasma only. | 18:46 |
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| fiferboy | Build went to succeeded, status "Build jobs have been processed, new repository is not yet created" | 18:46 |
| lcuk | i do not know the layout of kde, hence the question | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | This looks a bit more promising | 18:46 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, \o | 18:46 |
| lcuk | I was thinking of you and lardman the other day | 18:47 |
| * lcuk had whole conversation about a plane spotting/recognition app | 18:47 | |
| djszapi | lcuk: you did not see the kde application on fremantle ? | 18:47 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: o/ | 18:47 |
| lcuk | djszapi, I have seen mek running kde applications | 18:47 |
| djszapi | someone even used kde workspace on meego devices, tablets. | 18:47 |
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| fiferboy | I have heard of plane spotting applications before | 18:48 |
| lcuk | but on the whole, most kde apps are desktop and large apps which looked cramped and not very usable | 18:48 |
| lcuk | same as any desktop apps | 18:48 |
| lcuk | djszapi, I saw mek playing with plasma widgets at some point | 18:48 |
| lcuk | which seems more feasible | 18:48 |
| djszapi | lcuk: http://kde.garage.maemo.org/screenshots_kdebase.html | 18:48 |
| fiferboy | Yay! "Repository is created right now" | 18:49 |
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| fiferboy | Hmm, back to "Build jobs have been processed, new repository is not yet created" | 18:49 |
| fiferboy | OBS is messing with me | 18:49 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: kde is not equal to kde-mobile :) They are porting the desktop applications to QML, Plasma Quick and so forth. They do not compile the widget based applications and run :) | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, so what is kdelibs that you are trying to build for? | 18:54 |
| lcuk | kde desktop or kde mobile? | 18:54 |
| djszapi | lcuk: "Mobile" profile :) | 18:54 |
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| stormer | albanc: ok, first step done, next step is to replace the Gnome 2 proxy UI to setup the PACRunner | 18:55 |
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| stormer | albanc: Instead of writing into GConf, the guy who decided to move to PACRunner was kind enough to push this into stable meego without completing the installation | 18:56 |
| stormer | albanc: I mean the implementation | 18:56 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: come to the Desktop Summit ? | 19:04 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: good example where KDE could come into the picture is Konversation with a nice IRC client. Currently, we are really missing one. | 19:06 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: but the whole KDE EDU thing, just think of that how many students have phones nowadays so that they could learn this way with their gadget since that is more interesting for them than with paper and pen :) | 19:07 |
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| djszapi | but games, personal information management, so wide palette.. | 19:08 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, the paper and pen thing needs working on | 19:15 |
| lcuk | since finger painting on a small device only allows a few words on the screen :P | 19:15 |
| lcuk | dual mode devices are a must | 19:15 |
| lcuk | I really want to see meego support for the htc flyer | 19:16 |
| djszapi | lcuk: you have basically pinch area. | 19:16 |
| lcuk | djszapi, I know the technical aspects | 19:17 |
| lcuk | since I am one of the rare folks who prefers pen input | 19:17 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110610_002.jpg | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png | 19:18 |
| djszapi | lcuk: speaking of which, okular...nice PDF viewer. | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, how performant are these desktop apps on mobile devices? | 19:19 |
| djszapi | lcuk: why would it be any different from any QML app after a port ? I think it is even better since the libraries and background operations have been tested for ages on desktop. | 19:19 |
| lcuk | and how well will they run within swipe ux for instance | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, tested for ages on desktop != optimal on mobile | 19:20 |
| djszapi | lcuk: you should visit pinheiro's presentation at the Desktop Summit :) | 19:20 |
| lcuk | desktop has not had performance lag for many years | 19:20 |
| djszapi | lcuk: the point is that the functionality is as optimal as possible. | 19:20 |
| lcuk | since you can easily say use more memory faster cpu super graphics card etc | 19:20 |
| djszapi | which is rarely the case when you writing a mobile app from scratch right now for Harmattan. | 19:20 |
| lcuk | the last time I saw anyone really worrying about performance was late 90s when .net 1.0 came out | 19:21 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: you should really listen to this presentation :) https://www.desktopsummit.org/program/sessions/qml-designers-prespective | 19:22 |
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| djszapi | it is from a KDE designer/artist, oxygen-icons author.. | 19:22 |
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| djszapi | I can hardly believe some of the programmer can design better Ui for mobile devices than him for KDE applications, if you ask for help :) | 19:23 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, good afternoon | 19:25 |
| lcuk | djszapi, the key benefit of qml does not come from the fact it is qml, it is the IDE which helps. | 19:25 |
| Venemo | djszapi, so, could you please take a look at http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-5459 ? | 19:25 |
| lcuk | djszapi, rapid app development can work in any toolkit | 19:25 |
| djszapi | lcuk: that is really personal opinion, nothing technical. | 19:26 |
| lcuk | and designer or developer or person working on UX needs to get to know the toolkit and environment to be good at it | 19:26 |
| djszapi | disagree :) | 19:26 |
| Venemo | lcuk, hah, there is currently no IDE for QML editing. at least Qt Creator's designer doesn't work with the components | 19:26 |
| lcuk | djszapi, if a UX designer is fluent in potoshop or in flash | 19:26 |
| lcuk | they are no good at qml | 19:27 |
| lcuk | until they know how to use qml | 19:27 |
| djszapi | lcuk: It takes me ages to find the right area in a designer, meanwhile it is one command in vi ;) | 19:27 |
| djszapi | this opinion is really not technical, but personal. | 19:27 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/packaging_learning_curves.jpg | 19:27 |
| lcuk | s/packaging/ux toolkit/ | 19:27 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: http://liqbase.net/ux toolkit_learning_curves.jpg | 19:27 |
| lcuk | same occurs | 19:27 |
| lcuk | designers get good using the tools they use | 19:28 |
| berndhs | whatever the toolkit or language, developers ahve to get the application logic correct | 19:28 |
| lcuk | my mate is an exceptional CAD designer - using autocad | 19:28 |
| berndhs | not approximately correct, but completely correct | 19:28 |
| berndhs | the tool or language doesn't help there | 19:28 |
| lcuk | but give him another CAD package (say qml based..) he would not be as good for a while | 19:28 |
| Jartza | yeah | 19:29 |
| Jartza | I learned autocad years ago | 19:29 |
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| Jartza | now I got archicad | 19:29 |
| Jartza | and I'm lost with it | 19:29 |
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| Jartza | I only need to draw one floorplan and it's next to impossible without a learning new things :( | 19:30 |
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| * gabrbedd used Microstation (CAD) for years. | 19:30 | |
| gabrbedd | Then the company switched to AutoCRAP because "that's what our customers use." | 19:31 |
| gabrbedd | And I kept asking, "Do our customers design our machines, too?" | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | does the community device program have a ML? | 19:46 |
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| fiferboy | Hmm, I can get the package to build in my OBS repo but I still can't get the repo to publish | 19:50 |
| fiferboy | I don't suppose there is a way to push through repo publication... | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, I posted a tweak of that mail directly to noteslate people and also onto meego-community ML | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | if I hear anything more and it is not on the ML I will update the thread there | 19:54 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: cool, thanks | 19:54 |
| * lcuk should send similar to the HTC Flyer people | 19:55 | |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey Intel guys, how long we can expect that a particular Atom variant might be available, in general? Are there some that have long-term support and not others? I see Intel has done some second-sourcing of Atom, but not a lot? Intel is such a big company, can't imagine who to ask. | 20:21 |
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| CosmoHill | hey auke | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Alison_Chaiken: developer.intel.com might be a reasoable place to poke around | 20:27 |
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| * lcuk makes a paper aeroplane and flies it around the chan | 20:30 | |
| CosmoHill | MY EYE | 20:30 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, :: | 20:30 |
| lcuk | 20:30 | |
| lcuk | noteslate NoteSlate | 20:30 |
| lcuk | @lcuk we will consider for noteslate MeeGo, as alternative implementation to NS Firmware. | 20:30 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: cool, thanks | 20:30 |
| lcuk | someone who is better negotiator than me please take up this and see what can be done :$ | 20:31 |
| * lcuk cannot find right words when needed | 20:31 | |
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| vgrade | fiferboy, don't think there is anythine we can do | 20:32 |
| lcuk | vgrade, fiferboy - see what magic lbt and X-Fade and the team can come up with | 20:33 |
| vgrade | but sit and wait for the admins to have a look | 20:33 |
| fiferboy | vgrade, lcuk - I'll wait a while and trigger a rebuild to see if it is still acting up | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, with the n950 can you take decent photos of the birds you are watching? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | or have you not ftaken it out into the field yet? | 20:35 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Not nearly long enough lens, unfortunately | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | it is not the size of the lens, it is how you use it :P | 20:36 |
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| auke | Alison_Chaiken: in general, Intel has hardware availability plans that are very short term - you'd have to talk to a seller to get precise information... | 20:36 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Yes, if I could get within 4 feet of all the birds I see I would be the best ninja bird watcher | 20:42 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | auke, a buddy who is deploying Atoms as camera controllers at SLAC sent me this: http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/embedded/hwsw/hardware/atom | 20:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So it sounds like the answer is 7 years, altho I'm not sure when the clock starts for each product. | 20:45 |
| pixelgeek | The embedded cycles are longer - 7 years sounds right. | 20:46 |
| pixelgeek | Probably measured from first customer ship. | 20:46 |
| pixelgeek | Consumer cycles would be in the 1-2 year range. | 20:47 |
| auke | in general, "atom" will be available for a long time, but specific versions may be discontinued at any time... | 20:47 |
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| * pixelgeek inserts a disclaimer - contact your reseller for full details. | 20:47 | |
| auke | yup | 20:47 |
| pixelgeek | The reseller will get notified on all the End Of Life notices and last ship dates. | 20:48 |
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| pixelgeek | And of course the system the Atom is in may go EOL before the chip itself. | 20:49 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | For certain kinds of projects, long-term availability is key, so companies cannot plan to use a product if availability is not guaranteed for at least a few years. | 21:01 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Contacting newegg or whoever periodically to find out if a product is still available is not very convenient, to put it mildly! | 21:02 |
| auke | talk to an intel rep | 21:02 |
| auke | or a volume seller, not newegg... ;) | 21:02 |
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| CosmoHill | hey GeneralAntilles | 21:05 |
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| berndhs | I don't get it. repo.meego.com has an image for tablet 1.2.80.8.0.20110628.2 and a ks file, but mic2 won't build from that ks file | 21:26 |
| berndhs | says failed to find pacakge 'moblin-live' | 21:27 |
| auke | the snapshot folder that it's pointing to is probably no longer there | 21:27 |
| berndhs | ah | 21:27 |
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| berndhs | i took an image from a builds/ tree, hoping it is reproducible | 21:29 |
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| * lcuk cannot seem to get mic2 to build arm images | 21:30 | |
| * lcuk sad panda | 21:30 | |
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| * gabrbedd kicks mic2 | 21:39 | |
| gabrbedd | bad doggie! | 21:39 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, what problems are you having | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, it was a few days ago and probably driver error. I will try again when I am motivated. | 21:43 |
| * lcuk lacking energy tonight and cannot play football because its raining | 21:43 | |
| vgrade | lcuk, I've had the most sucess with mic using a fedora vm | 21:43 |
| lcuk | I was trying from within meego netbook | 21:44 |
| lcuk | tonight I am mostly trying to work out how to fix bug 13084 | 21:44 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 21:44 |
| lcuk | but it is frustratingly annoying to even see the problem let alone make a patch to cure it | 21:45 |
| lcuk | but it impacts harmattan also | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: check the versions of xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and compare that with the one we have | 21:45 |
| * gabrbedd scribbles down "fedora vm for mic2 (props to vgrade)" | 21:45 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, its been a long standing bug | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i know | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: but it surprises me it's in n950 too | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | as in, various versions | 21:45 |
| lcuk | i couldnt even work out how to clone the right package to even try and fix it | 21:45 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, if I open liqbase at 854*480 it has identical symptom | 21:46 |
| gabrbedd | vgrade: know of any translation tables for mic2 errors? i.e. "When mic2 says 'X' then it's probably actually 'Y'" | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: interesting | 21:46 |
| lcuk | but if I open window 800*480 it sortof runs ok | 21:46 |
| lcuk | but not perfectly by any means | 21:46 |
| lcuk | seems xvideo is low priority everywhere | 21:47 |
| * lcuk considers giving up and becomes a gardener instead | 21:47 | |
| * lcuk even curses having to use software rotation | 21:47 | |
| lcuk | since xvideo in portrait has never worked | 21:47 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_rotate_480x480.jpg | 21:48 |
| lcuk | xvideo portrait mode on the *N810* | 21:48 |
| * lcuk bahs | 21:48 | |
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| ali1234 | xvideo sucks | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | don't use it | 21:50 |
| lcuk | what do you suggest I use? | 21:50 |
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| ali1234 | what are you trying to achieve? | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | running portrait mode YUV code without having to do slow ass software rotation | 21:51 |
| * lcuk got rotation to 40fps on n900 | 21:51 | |
| ali1234 | no | 21:51 |
| lcuk | but it is a whole 20fps slower than it needs to be since the omapfb driver should work happily rotated | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | what are you trying to achieve? | 21:51 |
| lcuk | ali1234, run liqbase in portrait | 21:51 |
| lcuk | and on meego, run liqbase at all | 21:52 |
| lcuk | sorry, meego n900 | 21:52 |
| lcuk | meego netbook it runs better than flawlessly | 21:52 |
| berndhs | I would take up gardening right now, but its 34C outside, this is the wrong day | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | wait | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | liqbase, the notepad emulator | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | why does this need portrait mode? | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | just turn the device sideways and carry on | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, it has wanted portrait mode always | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | why does this involve changing code? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | turning it on its side is not practical for some elements | 21:54 |
| lcuk | the video mode does not run portrait | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | so what? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | as seen by the extremely old screenshot | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | i don't see why this is a problem | 21:55 |
| lcuk | because I dont want pictures on their side | 21:55 |
| lcuk | or writing etc | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | then rotate it in your scene graph | 21:55 |
| ali1234 | writing won't fit on the screen if you rotate it 90 degrees of course | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | but there's not much you can do about that | 21:56 |
| lcuk | sigh | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | unless you originally wrote it in portrait mode | 21:56 |
| lcuk | liqbase was written without qt and does not have scenegraph | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | but then in that case you don't need portrait mode, you just need to turn the whole device on it's side | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | well in that case you should rewrite it to have a scene graph | 21:57 |
| lcuk | sigh | 21:57 |
| lcuk | or fix the drivers | 21:57 |
| ali1234 | well, enjoy maintaining that outdated and horrible API... | 21:58 |
| lcuk | ali1234, forgetting about portrait, the xvideo mode on meego handset makes things look like this: | 21:58 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110314_007.jpg | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | well yeah. typical xvideo crap | 21:58 |
| lcuk | bug 13084 as the discussion started | 21:58 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | that's not tearing | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | that's an incorrect width buffer | 21:59 |
| lcuk | no, its a bug | 21:59 |
| lcuk | and if you load up the n900-ce, and try to watch the included demo video | 21:59 |
| lcuk | sintel_trailer | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | actually judging from the weird colours i would say "YUV mode not supported" most likely | 21:59 |
| lcuk | that is what you see | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | yes i have seen it | 21:59 |
| ali1234 | i thought that was fixed actually | 21:59 |
| lcuk | well that is exactly as seen just yesterday | 22:00 |
| lcuk | and exactly as even occurs on harmattan in specific modes | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | the answer to all your problems is to stop using programming techniques from 1997, seriously | 22:00 |
| lcuk | the portrait niggles are not important and just frustrate me personally :) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | ali1234, the meego-app-video has this | 22:01 |
| lcuk | and that is written in qt | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | yes, i know | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | you are not playing video | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | therefore you should not be using xvideo | 22:01 |
| lcuk | bug 13084 is | 22:01 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 22:01 |
| berndhs | yeah if everyone just used scene graphs, we wouldn't have all these problems | 22:01 |
| lcuk | ali1234, why not? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | i wanted a greyscale planar surface to draw on | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | because xvideo is designed for playing video, and it's not even particularly good at that | 22:02 |
| lcuk | YUV (thanks to the Y channel) gives that | 22:02 |
| lcuk | colour is not important to me | 22:02 |
| lcuk | tearfree grayscale was and is | 22:02 |
| lcuk | the noteslate is a black and white device | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | stop using bitmaps for everything, this is not DOS, you have accelerated line drawing algorithms | 22:02 |
| lcuk | which is dreamy | 22:02 |
| lcuk | ali1234, ? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | line drawing was removed from opengl es | 22:03 |
| lcuk | you cannot do real wireframes | 22:03 |
| lcuk | you have to use pixel shaders | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | and this is a problem, because? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | modern open gl has no direct line drawing acceleration | 22:03 |
| lcuk | so where is it coming from? | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | very thin polygons | 22:04 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:04 |
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| djszapi_ | vgrade: 98%, let us see... :) https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan | 23:15 |
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| vgrade | djszapi_, fingers crossed | 23:31 |
| vgrade | I see others having issues, fiferboy, kimju | 23:33 |
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| djszapi_ | vgrade: nothing in the last half an hour. It got again stuck | 23:45 |
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