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| gabrbedd | lcuk: There were some ML posts about it. I got the impression that it was code... but I didn't read the e-mails very closely. :-) | 00:59 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: https://gitorious.org/meego-bugzilla | 01:01 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Announced on meego-dev on the 4th of July | 01:02 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk / gabrbedd we've done a bunch of custom code around bugzilla to extend functionality - I think that's what is in the repo | 01:09 |
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| gabrbedd | DawnFoster: Yep... very cool that they released the code, too. :-) | 01:20 |
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| lbt | gabrbedd: it's very cool stuff for using BZ as a task manager in a scrum-like environment | 01:33 |
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| w00t | thiago: enjoying the warmer (I hope) weather? | 01:35 |
| * w00t is back from an evening of celebrating brik's graduation | 01:35 | |
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| CosmoHill | brik_: congrats | 01:36 |
| brik_ | ty CosmoHill :) | 01:36 |
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| thiago | yeah, it's warm here in Brazil, where it's Winter | 01:38 |
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| w00t | those temperatures do not look much like winter :-P | 01:41 |
| * CosmoHill was meant to get his degree classification today | 01:41 | |
| w00t | CosmoHill: classification? | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | 1, 2.1 etc | 01:42 |
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| brik_ | I got a first :) | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 01:43 |
| brik_ | why didn't you get yours? | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | I got to wait still | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | cos our uni is not the best | 01:43 |
| brik_ | :( | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | however they did suggest that I skip a masters and do a PHD :) | 01:44 |
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| berndhs | masters is a good fallback position | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | a PHD is cheaper..somehow | 01:45 |
| berndhs | sure its for them | 01:45 |
| brik_ | a PHD takes 3-4 years? | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | 3 | 01:46 |
| brik_ | and a masters? | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | 2 to 3 i think | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | tbh I've not looked into it that hard | 01:46 |
| brik_ | do it in the UK and you'll be done in 3 semesters :p | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | it would be at my local uni | 01:47 |
| w00t | and spend the fourth sitting on your arse waiting to graduate | 01:47 |
| w00t | >_> | 01:47 |
| brik_ | :p | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | what is your degree in? | 01:50 |
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| brik_ | CosmoHill: software dev | 01:55 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: Thanks, I'll have to check that out. | 02:29 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:53 |
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| iekku | good morning | 06:26 |
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| wmarone | hm | 06:33 |
| wmarone | qt sdk maintenance tool broke again :/ | 06:33 |
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| dm8tbr | dzień dobry | 07:48 |
| wmarone | sweet, qtsdk on linux is all like "I don't know what a qtdeclarative is" | 07:48 |
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| zx2c4 | symbol lookup error: /home/zx2c4/Projects/N950/Qt/Simulator/QtMobility/gcc/lib/libQtMobilitySimulator.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN18QtSimulatorPrivate19SimulatorConnection8instanceEv | 08:05 |
| zx2c4 | any ideas? | 08:06 |
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| jflatt | i'm trying to edit my n900 rootfs under meego, it seems to only want to mount read-only | 08:18 |
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| jonwil | I saw that before, it means maemo didnt shut down cleanly | 08:52 |
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| jflatt | yep, i had a nearly dead battery, trying so many reboots must have messed it up | 08:59 |
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| jflatt | ah well, reflashed rootfs, no big deal | 09:13 |
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| tcs-meego | Hi now that i have a working HDMI using NVidia ion on zotac zbox for meego netbook | 11:08 |
| tcs-meego | i was hoping someone could help | 11:09 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, I don't understand your question. what are "meego bugzilla components"? | 11:22 |
| andre__ | there is https://gitorious.org/meego-bugzilla | 11:22 |
| iekku | he's alive! | 11:23 |
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| lcuk | andre__, I just noticed it and wondered whether it was of use to you | 11:30 |
| lcuk | morning btw \o | 11:30 |
| andre__ | lcuk: something useful in MeeGo? hmm, I support the general idea! | 11:35 |
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| arfoll | has anyone managed to get exopc hdmi to work? I have the chrontel pkg installed but I need to load the i2c modules and they don't seem to exist | 11:41 |
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| seif | andre__, i packaged zeitgeist for meego | 12:00 |
| seif | now i need to get the "aegis" stuff working for me so i can access the "location" | 12:01 |
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| andre__ | interesting | 12:01 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | hi | 12:57 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: hi :) I finally was able to setup Scratchbox. I've copied sources to my Scratchbox home folder, I've copied the debian/* and modified the debian/rules (uncommenting the lines with "Uncomment this to use outside QtCreator ecc...). What is now the command to try to create the debian package? | 12:58 |
| slaine | Howdy | 12:58 |
| Andy80 | dhbuild.... dh-build... can't remember :\ | 12:59 |
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| Ronksu | Andy80: normally that would be dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 13:00 |
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| Andy80 | Ronksu: thanks (damn memory -.- ) | 13:00 |
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| Andy80 | it worked :) | 13:04 |
| CosmoHill | brik_: http://threepanelsoul.com/ | 13:05 |
| brik_ | :> | 13:07 |
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| lcuk | brik_, congrats | 13:08 |
| brik_ | ty :) | 13:08 |
| * CosmoHill wonders where his grade is | 13:09 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:10 |
| lcuk | morning Jaffa \o | 13:11 |
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| CosmoHill | http://web.anglia.ac.uk/anet/academic/public/official_results_notice.pdf | 13:11 |
| CosmoHill | that's definitely yesterday's date, right? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | brik_: congrats | 13:12 |
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| Andy80 | am I missing something or Harmattan target is not available here in OBS https://build.pub.meego.com/project/add_repository_from_default_list?project=home%3Aandreagrandi ? | 13:16 |
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| tcs-meego | what would i need to do to get EGL / OpenGL ESv2 working with NVIDIA ion.. meego IVI uses opengl es2 .. does anyone know of a libEGL.so i can use? | 13:19 |
| Andy80 | oh found... | 13:20 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: is OBS for Harmattan working at the moment? | 13:26 |
| Andy80 | lbt: I'm following Jaffa's instructions here http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25005&postcount=29 but after adding the build target nothing happens | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | does anybody know where the joggler images are? | 13:36 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't vgrade have them? | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i know they were made | 13:37 |
| lcuk | thusfar I have managed to create a netbook image | 13:37 |
| lcuk | could not get n900 image working | 13:37 |
| lcuk | and so was going to have a try with joggler | 13:38 |
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| lbt | Andy80: fair old queue | 13:38 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: I just need to wait? | 13:47 |
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| slaine | Is Fedora15 supported now for building images with mic2 ? | 13:51 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 13:53 |
| slaine | Hey CosmoHill | 13:53 |
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| slaine | lol, I see someone asked the very same question on the mailing list and got posted the link I just opened a moment ago | 13:56 |
| iekku | :) | 13:57 |
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| bkalinga | is it a good idea to throw std::bad_alloc in case of OOM in qt app on MeeGo | 14:02 |
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| bkalinga | in Meego, during OOM, new/malloc overcommit memory or throw std::bad_alloc | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, that is a general Qt issue ? | 14:06 |
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| bkalinga | lcuk: agree, i am writing a plug-in for input engine.so do i need to worry about handling OOM | 14:07 |
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| bkalinga | or checking each pointer for a null check if (newPtr) {..} | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | bkalinga, then ask specifically in the #meego-inputmethods, though mikhas and araujo and some of the other members are here, best to try there | 14:08 |
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| bkalinga | ok | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | hrm | 14:20 |
| lcuk | got my internet working on #n950 | 14:20 |
| lcuk | and tried to connect to meego.com | 14:20 |
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| iekku | hey, i'm starting my vacation now, back work 8.8.2011. i will follow irc and my mails, but not so active... | 14:21 |
| CosmoHill | iekku: enjoy :) | 14:21 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, i will :) | 14:21 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, and i will come back as a mrs.... | 14:21 |
| * CosmoHill blinks | 14:22 | |
| CosmoHill | "yay"? | 14:22 |
| iekku | :) | 14:22 |
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| shikamaru | hello | 14:28 |
| CosmoHill | salut .o/ | 14:28 |
| shikamaru | bonjour CosmoHill (shouldn’t we speak english here ? :) ) | 14:29 |
| CosmoHill | oui >.> | 14:29 |
| shikamaru | I just dumped meego 1.2 on my n900, works great :) | 14:29 |
| shikamaru | but I tried to install git and it say I’m missing perl(Error) | 14:30 |
| shikamaru | is this a known issue or can I report it somewhere ? | 14:30 |
| lbt | lcuk: couldn't open page : ssl handshake failed | 14:30 |
| CosmoHill | you could look in bugs.meego.com to see if someone else has had a similar issue | 14:30 |
| lbt | :( | 14:30 |
| shikamaru | thanks :) | 14:30 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: thiago was having that issue yesterday | 14:31 |
| shikamaru | seems like there’s no bug about it | 14:31 |
| shikamaru | I’ll check the ml just in case | 14:31 |
| shikamaru | mmh no, nothing there either, I’ll report that bug then | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | before you dod | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | have you updated meego? | 14:32 |
| shikamaru | no, just ran zypper refresh | 14:33 |
| CosmoHill | try updating and rebooting first | 14:33 |
| shikamaru | ok | 14:34 |
| shikamaru | mmh btw I forgot my password but can’t seem to find a page to recover it on bugs :/ | 14:34 |
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| CosmoHill | could you log in as the root user and reset your user's password? | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | lbt, was the first page I tried to open I hear the issue is sorted though | 14:42 |
| shikamaru | CosmoHill: I mean on bugs.meego.com, I don’t think I can log in as root on it :) | 14:42 |
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| CosmoHill | IIRC it's single sign on | 14:43 |
| shikamaru | ah I see, thanks :) | 14:44 |
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| lbt | CosmoHill: lcuk OK ... will look at it later :) | 14:54 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: just glanced at your obs config and you odn't seem to have the harmattan build target setup | 15:04 |
| Elleo | Andy80: I found that trying to do it through the advanced settings didn't do anything for me, so edited the raw config manually and it worked fine | 15:05 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: I tried to add it following Jaffa's instructions but it does not work | 15:05 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: neither the raw works... I get an error | 15:05 |
| Elleo | Andy80: what's the error? | 15:05 |
| Elleo | make sure it's within the <project> section | 15:06 |
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| Elleo | <package> section, sorry | 15:06 |
| Elleo | Andy80: see https://build.pub.meego.com/package/meta?package=librefm&project=home%3Aelleo for an example | 15:06 |
| * lcuk lunches | 15:06 | |
| Elleo | oh no, hang on I think I did mean the project section | 15:06 |
| shikamaru | CosmoHill: doh, the phone call icon disappeared with the upgrade | 15:06 |
| Elleo | of a different config | 15:06 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: I get this http://pastebin.com/8BaBZA90 | 15:06 |
| Andy80 | ah WITHIN | 15:07 |
| Elleo | as I just pointed you at the wrong one | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | shikamaru: that sounds bad... | 15:07 |
| shikamaru | but the phone app still works though | 15:07 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: ok I wait.. | 15:08 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Aelleo <-- that's the example I meant to give | 15:08 |
| shikamaru | still can’t install git, will report a bug | 15:09 |
| Andy80 | Config successfully saved | 15:09 |
| Andy80 | :) | 15:09 |
| Elleo | great :) | 15:10 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: I just have to wait now? | 15:10 |
| Elleo | Andy80: yep | 15:11 |
| Elleo | in a little while it'll show up as having a build status of "scheduled" | 15:11 |
| Elleo | at which point you'll know its entered the queue correctly | 15:11 |
| Elleo | then you just have to wait your turn | 15:11 |
| Andy80 | cool :) | 15:12 |
| Elleo | Andy80: you can see how many packages are in the wait queue and the average build time here: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old | 15:12 |
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| Andy80 | build status: | 15:14 |
| Andy80 | Harmattan | 15:14 |
| Andy80 | armv7el | 15:14 |
| Andy80 | building | 15:14 |
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| Elleo | :) | 15:16 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: I had to modify the debian/rules file generated by QtCreator... there are some lines to uncomment and you also have to put the .pro file name next to qmake | 15:16 |
| Elleo | ah right, worth remembering for anyone else doing stuff via qtcreator | 15:16 |
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| Andy80 | t generated both .deb and all .dsc and tar.gz files | 15:16 |
| shikamaru | CosmoHill: done, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21147 thanks for your help :) | 15:17 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 21147 nor, Undecided, ---, need-maintainer, NEW, Can’t install git because of missing perl(Error) | 15:17 |
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| CosmoHill | shikamaru: you're welcome | 15:17 |
| Andy80 | then I had to manually remove the debian/ from tar.gz and put it in a separate tar.gz (I followd wiki instructions) | 15:17 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: you don't use QtCreator? | 15:17 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: I used the harmattan create-project tool to create the initial project, packaging, etc. | 15:18 |
| shikamaru | I’ll transfert my git repo from my computer in the meantime | 15:18 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: where do I find this script? | 15:18 |
| shikamaru | by the way what is the name of the phone app (so that I can launch it from a terminal) ? | 15:19 |
| shikamaru | perhaps I can even restore the shortcut | 15:19 |
| Andy80 | anyway... I really think that QtCreator should be integrated with OBS | 15:19 |
| shikamaru | mmh actually it’s just that the icon is blank, the shortcut still exists :) | 15:20 |
| Elleo | Andy80: it's in the scratchbox environment that gets setup by the harmattan sdk installer | 15:20 |
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| * CosmoHill wonders if anyone knows where to get a Mips or Arm desktop | 15:26 | |
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| thiago | you mean the hardware? | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 15:27 |
| thiago | ARM desktops I've never seen, but there are ARM netbooks | 15:27 |
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| thiago | thin, light and long battery life | 15:28 |
| CosmoHill | I saw an ARM desktop but I was 4 / 5 years old | 15:28 |
| thiago | MIPS desktops... only old SGI ones | 15:28 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder if there are MIPS or ARM co-processors that developers can us to run code natively | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: i guess something like trimslice would qualify as a arm 'desktop' | 15:30 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: it's in the queue https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old :) | 15:30 |
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| CosmoHill | Looks like maplins has dumped anything that doesn't run Windows | 15:31 |
| CosmoHill | people top stop people asking if an ARM 400Mhz netbook would run Windows Vista | 15:31 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.maplin.co.uk/7inch-android-2.1-scroll-tablet-510662 | 15:32 |
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| thiago | Cortex-A9 dual-cores or quad-cores running at over 1 GHz should run fine | 15:34 |
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| slaine | I've been thinking about getting one of those trimslice boxes as a prototype for a Set Top Box | 15:35 |
| vvaltone | it's sad the sata is usb attached on them | 15:36 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, reading my log, earlier/yesterday you said you were waiting for your degree classification and you said 1, 2.1 (eg. firsts, second firsts). But I thought you went to UCLA and therefore would get magna cum laude or suma cum laude or regular or whatever the US standard is? | 15:37 |
| slaine | it has mmc thought right ? | 15:37 |
| * thiago is going to buy a Netgear WNDR3700, which has a MIPS 680 MHz processor with 64 MB of RAM | 15:38 | |
| CosmoHill | Termana: what's UCLA? | 15:38 |
| CosmoHill | thiago, hmm but it also says netgear | 15:38 |
| Termana | University of California at Los Angeles | 15:38 |
| Termana | otherwise who is it in here that goes to UCLA? :p | 15:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, ARM11 800Mhz, 256MB DDR2, £100 + p&p | 15:40 |
| CosmoHill | "Wi-Fi0.3 megapixel Webcam" << that's not right | 15:40 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, are you yanking my chain? | 15:41 |
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| CosmoHill | about the wifi or UCLA? | 15:41 |
| Termana | UCLA | 15:41 |
| * CosmoHill has never been to America :) | 15:41 | |
| vvaltone | thiago, yes, ram is so expensive people would go bankrupt with anything more than 64mb :P | 15:42 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/49917 | 15:43 |
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| shikamaru | mmh I am developping a pyside application for maemo, but would like it to integrate well with meego as well | 16:18 |
| shikamaru | but running it as is shows something that’s not very different from the app launched on my desktop | 16:19 |
| shikamaru | are there some specific python modules to handle auto-orientation, stacked windows and so on ? | 16:19 |
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| Venemo | shikamaru, QWidgets are not much recommended anymore | 16:25 |
| shikamaru | Venemo: does that mean that I would have to rewrite completely in QML ? :/ | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | qml plus components | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | pyside can use qml | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | in fact, it integrates very well | 16:27 |
| Venemo | shikamaru, it isn't as bad as it sounds at first, believe me | 16:27 |
| shikamaru | mmh is QML available for maemo as well ? | 16:28 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi&repository=Harmattan - Kernel panic O_o ?! | 16:28 |
| shikamaru | (I don’t consider it bad, just would like to avoid to do the same work twice :) ) | 16:29 |
| Venemo | shikamaru, yes, although you'd have to ask someone more knowledgeable about its current state | 16:29 |
| Venemo | shikamaru, also see http://achipa.blogspot.com/2011/07/qt-components-story-of-ugly-qwidgetling.html | 16:29 |
| shikamaru | ok, thanks for the reply | 16:29 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: yeah, that seems to happen when a build fails | 16:35 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: but your build failed because of problems in your packaging, not because of the kernel panic | 16:35 |
| Elleo | the panic is a sympton of things already having failed | 16:35 |
| shikamaru | Venemo: very interesting link, thanks ! | 16:36 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: ok.. I'll give a look later.... I've to go out now | 16:36 |
| Venemo | shikamaru, thank achipa | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | walking in the sunshine is thirst inducing | 16:43 |
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| niala | hello | 16:48 |
| Venemo | hey | 16:48 |
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| shikamaru | ah ? | 16:54 |
| CosmoHill | I'm trying to compile cross-lfs for mips64 but gcc keeps seg faulting | 16:55 |
| shikamaru | mmh I had the same issue too, but I think that was not because of gcc itself, but binutils | 16:56 |
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| CosmoHill | oh really? I've applied a patch to gcc and it no longer segfaults on mips32 | 16:56 |
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| CosmoHill | ffs | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | I don't hear from my friend all day and now he wants to meet up, 5 mins before the schools let out | 17:07 |
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| Saviq | is it normal that the trunk tablet images are ~300MB whereas the 1.2 and 1.2.1-to-be are ~500MB? | 17:26 |
| lcuk | Saviq, sounds reasonable | 17:28 |
| Saviq | ok | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I recall some recent trimming of large images | 17:29 |
| lcuk | the inverse occured a couple of months ago with n900 handset builds | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (pictures) | 17:29 |
| lcuk | there was a lot of media for instance | 17:29 |
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| luist | is there a repository for meego appup free applications? | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | luist, is there an appup client for meego instances? | 17:49 |
| luist | lcuk: hm... yes | 17:49 |
| luist | lcuk: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-sdk-suite theres a link on this page... its a beta versino | 17:50 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: of course I got an error: dpkg-source: error: File /usr/src/packages/SOURCES/cutesoma_0.1.0.tar.gz has size 35018 instead of expected 38189 | 17:56 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: I removed debian folder from already packaged and signed tar.gz... | 17:56 |
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| GSIrc | Hi, anyone here who could give me a little hint. I wrote an applicaton for my n950. So far so good. I can start this app via terminal. Somehow I was even able to put an icon on the desktop, but when I tap the icon, nothing happens. I am a bit 'fresh' with meego and n950. Is there somehere a log where I could find an error message? Lokked into /var/log, but nothing useful | 17:57 |
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| Elleo | GSIrc: what does your .desktop file look like? | 18:01 |
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| GSIrc | Type=Application | 18:03 |
| GSIrc | Name=Gemote | 18:03 |
| GSIrc | Icon=gemote | 18:03 |
| GSIrc | Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=m /usr/bin/gemote | 18:03 |
| GSIrc | X-Maemo-Service=com.solutions-greenflow.gemote | 18:03 |
| GSIrc | OnlyShowIn=X-MeeGo; | 18:03 |
| GSIrc | More or less copied and adjusted from the calc app | 18:03 |
| slaine | Did anyone ever get the front panel buttons on the Ideapad working ? | 18:03 |
| GSIrc | Tried some variations, but no difference | 18:03 |
| Elleo | GSIrc: better to use pastebin than paste stuff directly into irc | 18:03 |
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| GSIrc | ok.... Though 6 lines would not be that bad. :-) | 18:04 |
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| tomma | GSIrc, it is meegotouch boosted and compiled with right flags? | 18:05 |
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| tomma | and when you started from terminal, did you try with invoker? | 18:06 |
| GSIrc | Probably not. But thanks. Try no 941 worked. I always have to ask first before it works :-) | 18:06 |
| * niala wonder if baklight keyboard works on linux ? | 18:06 | |
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| Andy80 | I'm really starting hating OBS with all my heart -.- | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | Andy80, :( | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | people dislike it for various reasons, but like emacs, it is ever powerful if you can get over the learning curve | 18:15 |
| Andy80 | lcuk: it's a non sense (for me) to waste so much time packagin/deploying ecc... when I could use this time to code | 18:15 |
| lcuk | http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg | 18:15 |
| lcuk | Andy80, agreed entirely | 18:15 |
| lcuk | this is similar hump to get over that many folks have got | 18:16 |
| Andy80 | let's say that from QtCreator to OBS the procedure is not clear at all... | 18:16 |
| lcuk | and it is non trivial to get round it | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: Jaffa is writing a tool for that. | 18:16 |
| lcuk | this may be helpful | 18:16 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 18:16 |
| Andy80 | first of all you have to move all sources under Scratchbox, move the debian/ folder, modify debian/rules | 18:17 |
| Andy80 | then it's not enough... | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: mud2 does that for you. | 18:17 |
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| Andy80 | because dpkg-buildpackage create a normal .tar.gz and a .dsc but OBS want the debian/ folder to be in a separate .tar.gz file... | 18:18 |
| Andy80 | lcuk: I followed the wiki but it's not complete at all | 18:18 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: what is mud2? | 18:18 |
| Elleo | Andy80: OBS doesn't care if it's in a separate .tar.gz | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: You don't have to separate them, you can. | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: It is just cleaner if you want to target MeeGo too. | 18:18 |
| Elleo | Andy80: you only need it in a separate one if you don't want to keep it in your main source tree | 18:18 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: I've just uploaded without separating them and the package was rejected | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: log? | 18:19 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, mud2 is a step in the right direction for sure | 18:19 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: it says "the setup of this repository is broken, build not possible" | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: Check blubbles in my home, it has no separate debian part. | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: Well, there you have it. | 18:20 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: I just uploaded the .dsc and .tar.gz again... triggering the rebuild | 18:20 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: this is the page https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi | 18:20 |
| lcuk | how on earth does somebody make package for debian/ubuntu/maemo4/maemo5/meego_netbook/meego_handset/n900-ce/harmattan | 18:21 |
| lcuk | and everything in between! | 18:21 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: That is the job for a packager :) | 18:21 |
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| X-Fade | Andy80: Your tarball doesn't match the size in your dsc. | 18:22 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: but that is the OLD error message | 18:22 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: of course it didn't match... the first time I removed the debian/ folder from the tar.gz... | 18:23 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, but for greater majority of apps, developer == packager == manager == documentor == tester ;) | 18:23 |
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| Andy80 | but now I uploaded only the tar.gz with debian/ included and the .dsc | 18:23 |
| lcuk | so unless we have dedicated meego packagers standing by | 18:23 |
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| Andy80 | oh wait... | 18:23 |
| Andy80 | I didn't click on "trigger rebuild" | 18:23 |
| Andy80 | now it's in scheduled state... let's wait.. | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: Whenever you upload, it will rebuild automatically. | 18:24 |
| Andy80 | wel... it didn't | 18:24 |
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| X-Fade | Things are not instant. It takes a run of the scheduler for it to be noticed. | 18:25 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: let's see if I did the right procedure... I copied the two files in my /OBS/...../ folder and did a "osc commit" | 18:25 |
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| X-Fade | Andy80: I hope you osc add them first? | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/source_history?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi | 18:26 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: uhm..... yes.... "osc add *" | 18:26 |
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| Andy80 | yes.... so the commit was successful? | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: If it wasn't, it would not be listed there :) | 18:27 |
| Andy80 | right :) | 18:27 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade: again the same red icon: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi | 18:30 |
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| X-Fade | Andy80: Don't mind that. | 18:30 |
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| Andy80 | ok, I'll just wait | 18:31 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade: how long does it take to appear here https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old ? | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: Check the queue on the monitor page. | 18:49 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade: where exactly? | 18:50 |
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| X-Fade | Andy80: without old. | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: As you can see there are a lot of apps waiting. | 18:51 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, http://liqbase.net/packaging_learning_curves.jpg | 18:52 |
| Andy80 | it's building now :) | 18:52 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade: any plans to use OBS even for Maemo5 ? | 18:55 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: Yes, when time permits. | 18:56 |
| Andy80 | nice :) | 18:57 |
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| Andy80 | I think it would be less expensive to maintain one single building structure (OBS) then mantaining OBS + Maemo building structure.. | 18:58 |
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| X-Fade | Andy80: Well, there is an initial big cost of moving it over ;) | 18:59 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: So it is not always a win. | 18:59 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade: uhm... I got a kernel panic again :P https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aandreagrandi&repository=Harmattan | 19:26 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: *** No rule to make target `/targets/HARMATTAN_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. >== | 19:30 |
| Elleo | your makefile is wrong | 19:31 |
| Elleo | it's all hardwired for scratchbox | 19:31 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: Makefile is created by qmake | 19:31 |
| Andy80 | ah... | 19:31 |
| Elleo | did you do a distclean before packaging up your .tar.gz ? | 19:32 |
| Elleo | otherwise it probably won't regenerate the makefiles with qmake | 19:32 |
| Andy80 | uhm... no | 19:32 |
| Andy80 | which command do I have to use? | 19:32 |
| Elleo | "make distclean" | 19:32 |
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| Andy80 | ok... now dpkgbuild again.... | 19:33 |
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| julienf | Ola! | 19:33 |
| julienf | :) | 19:33 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: now I cannot run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot anymore :\ I get this error: http://pastebin.com/8tFe3QHa | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | julienf: hi Julien :) | 19:35 |
| julienf | hello Andy80 | 19:35 |
| julienf | :) | 19:35 |
| Elleo | Andy80: you'll need to run qmake again first | 19:37 |
| Elleo | but within scratchbox, not withi qtcreator | 19:37 |
| Elleo | at least I'm guessing it's qtcreator that's adding all those include paths | 19:37 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, when you added that task for me in the CO meeting | 19:37 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: but it's in the debian/rules: qmake CuteSoma.pro PREFIX=/usr # Uncomment this line for use without Qt Creator | 19:38 |
| lcuk | where did it get noted so that I can keep it updated | 19:38 |
| Elleo | hmm, no, just tried with your source and it adds them when using qmake natively too | 19:38 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: it was just in the minutes | 19:38 |
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| DawnFoster | not really tracking it elsewhwere | 19:38 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: it worked first time O_o why it's not working anymore now? | 19:38 |
| lcuk | i will speak with texrat and try to find a place in the wiki | 19:38 |
| lcuk | it is good to have an area for extra meego device categories and how to approach the distributors and companies involved | 19:39 |
| Elleo | Andy80: if you run "qmake CuteSoma.pro PREFIX=/usr" it still adds in all the wrong include paths | 19:39 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, how is your book coming along? | 19:40 |
| * lcuk is upto chapter 3 in his :) | 19:40 | |
| Andy80 | Elleo: do I have to remove the PREFIX ? | 19:40 |
| Elleo | Andy80: no | 19:40 |
| Elleo | you need to work out how to get qmake to generate a correct Makefile | 19:40 |
| Andy80 | I hate this :( | 19:40 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: Done! (people can even buy it) :) I have discount codes here that are still live: http://whatdawneats.com/2011/06/buy-the-cookbook-now/ | 19:41 |
| * lcuk offers Andy80 a cookie and some cocoa | 19:41 | |
| DawnFoster | or here http://whatdawneats.com/2011/06/buy-the-cookbook-now/ | 19:41 |
| Andy80 | thanks lcuk ;) | 19:41 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, oooh it is even on amazon.co.uk | 19:43 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:43 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: really? cool! | 19:43 |
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| lcuk | http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Dawn-Eats-M-Foster/dp/1461043190/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310661754&sr=8-1 | 19:45 |
| Elleo | Andy80: just uploading a modified version to see if I can get it to build with some simpler rules | 19:45 |
| djszapi | Hi! Is there anybody here using "osc" for the Open(Suse) Build Service from command line ? Could someone try to install libxml2 for the harmattan target ? | 19:45 |
| Elleo | I'll let you know if it works | 19:45 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: thank you :) | 19:46 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: nice! | 19:46 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, does the pdf work on the kindle? | 19:46 |
| djszapi | for instance with my "raptor2" package: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=raptor2&project=home%3Adjszapi OBS seems buggy, but unfortunately I cannot use "osc" behind the Nokia proxy. (at least I could not figure it out how yet) | 19:46 |
| lcuk | Thank You | 19:46 |
| lcuk | Thank you for requesting What Dawn Eats by Dawn M. Foster (Author) in Kindle Edition. Our goal is to make every title available for Kindle. We will pass your specific request on to the publisher. | 19:47 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: honestly not sure how well it would work | 19:47 |
| DawnFoster | ha! | 19:47 |
| lcuk | only one way to find out! | 19:47 |
| DawnFoster | I'm planning of doing a kindle version when I find time | 19:47 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, kindles do't taste very nice :P | 19:48 |
| lcuk | what dawn eats: ground up kindle with a sprinkling ofpepper | 19:48 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: mmm, tasty :) | 19:49 |
| djszapi | That is also good if someone can help with using "osc" behind the Nokia proxy so that I can do it myself. Either help would be cool! | 19:49 |
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| Noobmonk3y | evening alls :) | 19:49 |
| lcuk | djszapi, there are many things hidden behind proxy | 19:49 |
| djszapi | lcuk: what are you trying to say ? | 19:50 |
| lcuk | djszapi, try it from outside the proxy or speak to network engineers to try and cure | 19:51 |
| lcuk | but you are not the first to mention nokia proxy and connection issues | 19:51 |
| lcuk | (which is kinda odd since Nokia is about connecting people :P) | 19:51 |
| djszapi | Yes, it is know issue in only Finland. Unfortunately, I do not have proper internet connection at home for testing, otherwise I would do ! lcuk: Could you please help me with installing the "raptor2" package locally by you ? | 19:52 |
| djszapi | It seems non-understandable why OBS does not realize I passed the libxml2 as a dependency. | 19:52 |
| lcuk | djszapi, no for a few reasons, mostlyyou already know more technical stuff than me, and secondly i am going to make most of sunshine and head to park with the kids | 19:53 |
| djszapi | enjoy! :) | 19:54 |
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| andyross | djszapi: that doesn't look like an OBS bug to me. You can clearly see "installing libxml2" and "installing libxml2-dev" in the build log. Check your autoconf scripting? | 20:08 |
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| andyross | That said, I'm near-clueless on Harmattan packaging, so maybe there are some subtleties. | 20:08 |
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| djszapi | andyross: that is odd because it works in scratchbox, mmm. I am not sure I can switch to expat usage without issue. I have just tried to follow the fremantle and debian testing packaging way. | 20:09 |
| djszapi | andyross: There is no libxml on Harmattan, just libxml2. Hence if it does not work with libxml2, I do not know how to fix it apart from using expat. Interesting why the autotools behave differently there then. | 20:10 |
| andyross | Have you checked the configure operation on a hand-installed image with the same package version? | 20:10 |
| djszapi | andyross: do you mean the config.log or what do you precisely mean by "configure operation" ? That is a bit long to check it manually. | 20:11 |
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| deimos | after an update on testing branch for meego pinetrail, I go this error : http://pastebin.com/0guP6vXL someone can help me ? | 20:13 |
| andyross | configure is a script. You have a configure.ac file in the project which does some magic to detect libxml. Try it on a system you control. | 20:13 |
| andyross | basically, trying to do actual development on OBS never works. Code, package, then push. | 20:14 |
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| djszapi | andyross: mh | 20:14 |
| djszapi | ? | 20:14 |
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| djszapi | as said, I tested it in scratchbox, sorry I cannot do more as aforementioned. I thought if it works in my scratchbox (harmattan environment) than it should also work on OBS. It seems they are different for no valid reason. | 20:15 |
| andyross | Same package versions? | 20:15 |
| djszapi | yes, of course. | 20:15 |
| andyross | Checked for extra packages that might be assumed present by the libxml tests? | 20:16 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 20:16 |
| andyross | Your scratchbox (and you'll forgive me -- I have zero idea about what that is or how it works) likely has a bunch of packages installed that OBS doesn't, just becuase you've used it for a while. Try pruning back to a minimal install. | 20:17 |
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| djszapi | andyross: that is what the dependency list is for. | 20:20 |
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| andyross | And I suspect your dependency list is just incorrect, and that's been hidden because you have packages already installed in your build environment. | 20:22 |
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| djszapi | andyross: mmh, that can be even if most of the distribution used the same dependencies I checked out there. In that case, it is a tricky issue enough =p | 20:29 |
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| shash | gi | 20:36 |
| shash | hiii | 20:36 |
| shash | momken netaraf | 20:36 |
| shash | :) | 20:36 |
| shash | any body here | 20:37 |
| djszapi | andyross: do you have "osc" btw ? | 20:37 |
| shash | iam from egypt | 20:38 |
| shash | man | 20:38 |
| shash | you | 20:38 |
| shash | hiiiiii | 20:39 |
| shash | hi | 20:39 |
| shash | hi | 20:39 |
| shash | hi | 20:39 |
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| andyross | I use osc occasionally. In my experience it tends to break in weird ways. Most of my work is small patches to stuff I don't maintain, so the webui and/or hand scripting around the api is a better choice. | 20:40 |
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| djszapi | andyross: I just wanted to ask you whether you can build this raptor2 package, for a quick try. | 20:41 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: I tried building with my modified rules file and it got further, you were missing a build-dep for libqtm-multimedia-dev though so it failed when trying to do stuff with QMediaPlayer | 20:41 |
| andyross | Unlikely. I do MeeGo, not Harmattan. I'd need to learn a bunch of stuff first. | 20:42 |
| shash | any girl here | 20:42 |
| Elleo | Andy80: I've uploaded a new version with that dependency included, its been in the queue for a while though and I'm going out soon, | 20:42 |
| Elleo | so I don't know if it'll solve everything | 20:42 |
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| djszapi | andyross: you need to learn mmh ? I thought that is the point of OBS, you just give the target and it builds as it happens on the XEN VM machine ? | 20:42 |
| djszapi | What is the point of OBS if you need to learn target specific things ? | 20:43 |
| Elleo | Andy80: if it does grab my version from https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=cutesoma&project=home%3Aelleo (it's just the stuff in debian/ that's been changed) | 20:43 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: seems to have worked fine with those changes, so just replace your debian/ files with mine and you should be sorted :) | 21:02 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: just come back from running... I'll give a look at it later :\ thanks in the mean time ;) | 21:06 |
| Elleo | no worries | 21:06 |
| Elleo | haven't tried the resulting package out, but it seems to have build okay | 21:07 |
| Elleo | built* | 21:07 |
| Elleo | anyway, I'm off out for the evening, bye | 21:07 |
| lcuk | interesting | 21:07 |
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| * CosmoHill waits for gcc to segfault | 21:32 | |
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| CosmoHill | ah there we go | 21:35 |
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| lcukn900 | cosmohill what are you compiling? | 21:49 |
| CosmoHill | gcc | 21:49 |
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| CosmoHill | http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ticket/864 | 21:50 |
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| * CosmoHill thinks mips can go segfault itself | 22:01 | |
| CosmoHill | got another 2 arches to deal with | 22:01 |
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| Jaffa | Andy80: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: *That*'s mud2 ^^^ | 22:38 |
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| berndhs | hmm tablet connman won't let me configure my DNS | 23:13 |
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| lcukn900 | berndhs there have been numerous configuration issues with networking | 23:16 |
| berndhs | yeah i guess | 23:17 |
| lcukn900 | but most have been ironed out | 23:17 |
| lcukn900 | still would prefer ad-hoc to be usable | 23:18 |
| berndhs | not the ones i have reported :/ | 23:18 |
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| lcukn900 | which bug #s | 23:18 |
| berndhs | oh I forget, its been 6 months or more | 23:18 |
| berndhs | i dont feel like fighting about it any more, its too hard | 23:18 |
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| berndhs | lcukn900: bug 10878 bug 13653 | 23:27 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 nor, Medium, ---, jku, ASSI, networks panel doesn't show ipv6 state | 23:27 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13653 nor, Medium, 1.3, sameo, ASSI, ConnMan applet disconnect does not disconnect ipv6 | 23:27 |
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| berndhs | some of this shows interesting things about UI design though | 23:32 |
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| berndhs | when it is hard to fit all the necessary info on a limited size screen, some designers just ignore parts of the problem | 23:33 |
| berndhs | and design something that will work for the middle 80% of the cases | 23:33 |
| lcuk | berndhs, the n950 caters for networking very nicely from what I used | 23:35 |
| lcuk | certainly better at first day than other devices | 23:35 |
| berndhs | it does ? use your own,DNS, properly support ipv6 and all that ? | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | at the BCN long weekend i spoke about this exact issue to Martin Schuele | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, not sure about ipv6 | 23:37 |
| berndhs | the middle 80% part ? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | but the other networking certainly | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | ip address/ subnet/ gateway/dns etc | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i pointed out that the flow in fremantle to get to those configuration options is the deepest UI dialog depth in the entire system | 23:38 |
| berndhs | connman isn't actually all that bad on ipv6, it seems to pretty much leave it alone :) | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | heard that the command line networking can support adhoc | 23:38 |
| lcuk | in meego | 23:38 |
| lcuk | but there is 0 available ui to configure it | 23:38 |
| lcuk | which is more frustrating personally than ipv6 | 23:39 |
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| berndhs | i have a private DNS, the public ones don't know all my addresses, and aren't supposed to | 23:39 |
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| CosmoHill | I GOT A FIRST! | 23:43 |
| dm8tbr | tell us about your fr1st time then | 23:43 |
| CosmoHill | 2010/1 Bachelor of Science with Honours COMPUTER SCIENCE First Class Honours | 23:43 |
| dm8tbr | congrats | 23:44 |
| berndhs | all right! | 23:44 |
| niala | you got what CosmoHill ? | 23:44 |
| niala | CosmoHill, bravo | 23:44 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: well done | 23:44 |
| lcukn900 | cismohill !!! congratulations for most awesomeness | 23:44 |
| lcukn900 | you worked hard at that, well deserved | 23:45 |
| lcukn900 | -typo | 23:45 |
| CosmoHill | I'm dyslexic, I can barely see typos | 23:46 |
| CosmoHill | unless it's in C of course | 23:46 |
| lcukn900 | lol | 23:46 |
| CosmoHill | Dyslexia highlights the importance of syntax highlighting | 23:46 |
| berndhs | it also highlights the usefulness of sed | 23:47 |
| berndhs | and that of sh aliases | 23:47 |
| * CosmoHill needs to replace "predicted 2.1" with "first' on his CV | 23:48 | |
| berndhs | alias mroe='more' | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | there was a word I couldn't spell but used a lot of in my program, I almost did #define WROD WORD | 23:48 |
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| timeless | so, my lenovo ideapad from dublin gave me a scare earlier this week | 23:51 |
| timeless | the battery light was on, but the power button didn't do anything | 23:51 |
| thiago | did it hide behind the door and yell BOO when you walked in? | 23:51 |
| timeless | i tried removing the battery and other things | 23:51 |
| timeless | i thought it was dead! | 23:51 |
| berndhs | did you call the authorities ? | 23:51 |
| timeless | or just a ghost (with a single solitary ghostly battery light) | 23:51 |
| timeless | i complained about the product to coworkers | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | I thought a killed my mates laptop without hours of borrowing it, turns out a massive lump of dust got stuck in the fan | 23:52 |
| timeless | eventually i discovered that there's a switch next to the power button | 23:52 |
| timeless | which basically disables the power button | 23:52 |
| timeless | ... | 23:53 |
| lcuk | lol timeless of course | 23:53 |
| timeless | the cool thing was, once i put that switch back in place | 23:53 |
| timeless | i was able to turn on my computer and it resumed | 23:53 |
| lcuk | texrat encountered that in the room at aviva | 23:53 |
| timeless | even though i had pulled out the battery | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | nice | 23:53 |
| timeless | i think i actually hit that problem when i first got it too | 23:53 |
| timeless | but it was ages ago and i'd forgotten | 23:53 |
| timeless | really stupid ui | 23:53 |
| lcuk | easily done, how are you doing? | 23:54 |
| timeless | i'm good | 23:54 |
| timeless | i'm flying to Paris on Monday | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | timeless: the key is to find the right person to bitch to | 23:54 |
| lcuk | nice city | 23:54 |
| timeless | CosmoHill: that works better when you're in a crowd of people who all have the same product | 23:54 |
| timeless | it didn't work well here | 23:54 |
| timeless | since no one had it / had seen it / etc. | 23:54 |
| * CosmoHill once sat between a mac fanboy and a windows fan boy | 23:55 | |
| timeless | anyway, the exopc was here @work | 23:55 |
| lcuk | timeless, is your ideapad still running w7? | 23:55 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: quick question, you ran the lxr instance for meego, right? | 23:55 |
| timeless | lcuk: of course :) | 23:55 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:55 |
| * timeless wants to get w7 on the exopc.. | 23:55 | |
| timeless | there's a license, but i don't have install media! | 23:55 |
| lcuk | mine is still happily using netbook | 23:55 |
| timeless | lcuk: happily? wow | 23:55 |
| lcuk | and I am trying to find out how to patch the WM | 23:56 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: can be obtained from the exopc support | 23:56 |
| timeless | dm8tbr: yeah, mxr.meego.com | 23:56 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: just mail them | 23:56 |
| lcuk | to have sensible alt-tab using a swipe gesture :) | 23:56 |
| timeless | dm8tbr: got a link? | 23:56 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: not really sorry, just FOAF did that | 23:56 |
| timeless | dm8tbr: ok | 23:56 |
| dm8tbr | but heard that story several times | 23:56 |
| timeless | dm8tbr: anyway, what can i do for you? | 23:57 |
| lcuk | timeless, of course, this is the screen: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png | 23:57 |
| timeless | mostly, i'm trying to get sp3000 to pick up mxr and do the minimal necessary maintenance | 23:57 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: was just wondering if the mxr is still running etc as I remember hearing that there were some problems in the past | 23:57 |
| timeless | dm8tbr: afaict mxr.meego.com still does stuff | 23:57 |
| timeless | it's definitely still alive | 23:58 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: also it might be interesting to run one for harmattan that's publicly accessible, that's a bit out of meego scope though | 23:58 |
| timeless | that's another more interesting kettle of fish | 23:58 |
| timeless | for things that are in gitorious, mxr.meego.com/maemo.gitorious.org/ exists iirc | 23:58 |
| timeless | and iirc it should more or less do the right thing | 23:58 |
| dm8tbr | timeless: where does it pull the data from OBS? or manually added git repos? (pardon my ignorance...) | 23:58 |
| timeless | it crawls gitorious and pulls from there | 23:59 |
| timeless | if you want to write the code to do obs pulling, that'd be great | 23:59 |
| dm8tbr | ah, tnx | 23:59 |
| timeless | i'd gladly help out | 23:59 |
| timeless | but i ran out of time before leaving nokia | 23:59 |
| phl0x81 | N950 rocks :) | 23:59 |
| dm8tbr | lbt would knew more about that I guess :) | 23:59 |
| timeless | and since i work for rim now, i can't justify doing anything in that area.. | 23:59 |
| dm8tbr | I know | 23:59 |
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