| Elleo | the current album art gets rather pixelated at that size | 00:00 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: yeah I noticed, but it's not available on their stream: http://somafm.com/channels.xml | 00:00 |
| Elleo | ah, pity | 00:00 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: no it's a free streaming radio: http://somafm.com | 00:00 |
| berndhs | the problems people have, bad video on their audio channels,... | 00:00 |
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| Elleo | heh | 00:01 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: the next thing I need to implement is a better managing of that channels.xml :( at the moment it's loaded automatically using a XmlListModel, but... what if I want to cache it? what if I want to cache at least images? | 00:02 |
| Andy80 | probably I will have to implement a custom ListModel, but for the moment I just wanted to have a working version in little time | 00:02 |
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| Jaffa | Installing now | 00:05 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa: you will be the third user :) (me included :P ) | 00:06 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/International ? | 00:08 |
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| ali1234 | hmm that's interesting... if you boot live image, connect to wifi, then install meego in a terminal with installer-shell, then the installed image comes up with wifi already configured and working :) | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | it no longer seems to ask for user details either | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | that's not so good | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | since ssh is enabled by default, and the root password is "meego" | 00:14 |
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| auke | openssh-server is installed in testing images by default | 00:17 |
| auke | it needs to be removed for final images | 00:17 |
| auke | that should fix that issue | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | ok | 00:17 |
| auke | it doesn't actually start sshd, it uses socket activation | 00:18 |
| auke | but, still listens obviously :) | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | that would explain why it takes so damn long to connect first time | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | that's systemd, yeah? | 00:18 |
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| auke | yup, it will be slow on first connect after boot | 00:18 |
| auke | yes | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | i remember reading about that stuff | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | seems like a good idea anyway | 00:18 |
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| ali1234 | i guess it's making the host key that takes time | 00:19 |
| auke | no, that's already made on firstboot | 00:19 |
| auke | as a one-time service | 00:19 |
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| auke | Message: | 00:21 |
| auke | * Tue Jul 12 2011 - <Chengwei Yang <chengwei.yang@intel.com>> - 0.6 | 00:21 |
| auke | - Add a patch to expand extended partition to get enough free space to install | 00:21 |
| auke | - Add a patch to let user decide whether install bootloader or not (BMC#12816) | 00:21 |
| auke | lol | 00:21 |
| auke | I think our new installer-shell maintainer is doing great :) | 00:21 |
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| ali1234 | well i just posted 2 more bugs for 'em | 00:23 |
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| javispedro | auke: congrats! | 00:27 |
| * javispedro can now finally install meego again =) | 00:27 | |
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| auke | ali1234: bug numbers? | 00:37 |
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| auke | #21013 #21017 | 00:39 |
| the-boss | auke: Error: "21013" is not a valid command. | 00:39 |
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| ali1234 | yeah, that's the ones | 00:42 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: you are the one to contact to have OBS account activated? | 01:04 |
| lbt | yep | 01:05 |
| lbt | I need your meego username | 01:06 |
| Andy80 | lbt: ok... my meego.com username is "andreagrandi" and I'll use the repository to publish the CuteSoma application | 01:06 |
| lbt | done | 01:06 |
| lbt | and "hi" ... didn't recognise the nick | 01:07 |
| Andy80 | lbt: thanks, I'm in :) I'll start with this http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS then I'll do some tests. | 01:07 |
| lbt | I really must improve that | 01:08 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: that thread I showed you earlier has instruction on how to enable the harmattan build | 01:10 |
| Andy80 | the wiki? uhm... yes some thing don't match with the actual website | 01:11 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: cool :) | 01:11 |
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| Andy80 | Elleo: how did you create your mypkg_1.0.0.tar.gz, mypkg_1.0.0.dsc, mypkg_1.0.0.debian.tar.gz ecc... files? I only have the .deb generated by QtCreator | 01:24 |
| Elleo | Andy80: dpkg-buildpackage | 01:24 |
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| Elleo | and I don't have a separate .debian.tar.gz because my packaging stuff is just in my normal source tree anyway | 01:25 |
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| Andy80 | dpkg-buildecc... executed in which directory exactly? | 01:26 |
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| Elleo | Andy80: the directory above debian/ | 01:28 |
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| Elleo | I suspect you'll have to arrange things so that the debian dir is in the top-level of your source tree (iirc you have it in a qtc_packaging directory at the moment), either by actually moving it there or by having a .debian.tar.gz file that unpacks it there | 01:29 |
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| Elleo | I could be wrong though, obs might be smart enough to find it in other places | 01:29 |
| lbt | nope | 01:29 |
| Andy80 | no no wait.... explain better | 01:30 |
| Andy80 | I cannot understand in this way :\ | 01:30 |
| Andy80 | we would need a clear example | 01:30 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building | 01:30 |
| Elleo | Andy80: https://gitorious.org/foocorp/gnu-fm/trees/master/clients/meego/librefm <-- this is the top level of the librefm tar.gz | 01:30 |
| Elleo | and directly within there is the debian folder | 01:31 |
| Elleo | that's the sort of layout you'll need | 01:31 |
| Elleo | you can either acheive that by actually laying your source tree out like that, or by sticking the debian stuff in a separate .debian.tar.gz | 01:31 |
| Elleo | which obs will then automatically unpack into it for you | 01:31 |
| Elleo | but you may have to change the paths in your current setup if it's all under qtc_packaging/debian/ or whatever it was in your setup | 01:32 |
| Andy80 | if we need a different directory structure, why QtCreator use a wrong one? | 01:32 |
| Andy80 | it's non sense.... | 01:32 |
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| Elleo | dunno, I used the harmattan package skeleton creation thting | 01:32 |
| Elleo | thing* | 01:32 |
| Elleo | which put everything in a more usable place | 01:32 |
| Elleo | 'create-project' | 01:33 |
| Andy80 | Elleo: anyway... let's suppose I don't want to move files right now... you told me I can package the .tar.gz by myself, right? | 01:33 |
| Elleo | you can do | 01:34 |
| Elleo | it's just a tar.gz containing your source tree | 01:34 |
| Elleo | then you have another containing your debian directory | 01:34 |
| Elleo | then you create a .dsc file that describes the package and the tar balls | 01:34 |
| Elleo | personally I'd do stuff with dpkg-buildpackage though | 01:34 |
| Elleo | then you can be more certain that it'll build okay before uploading to obs | 01:35 |
| Andy80 | first thing: which directory are you talking about? I've two: CuteSoma/ and CuteSoma-build-harmattan/ | 01:35 |
| Elleo | presumably cutesoma-build-harmattan is just an out of tree build directory | 01:35 |
| Elleo | all that matters is the source code and the debian control files | 01:35 |
| Elleo | which I'd assume are in cutesoma | 01:35 |
| Shapeshifter | cuteobama | 01:35 |
| Andy80 | no | 01:36 |
| Elleo | bear in mind that when you upload it to obs you're going to be waiting for a while before it actually builds and gets back to you with problems | 01:36 |
| Elleo | so anything you can test locally first will make the whole process quicker | 01:36 |
| Andy80 | CuteSoma contains qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan | 01:36 |
| Andy80 | the thing I want to test right now is OBS system itself :) | 01:37 |
| Elleo | yeah, but if your upload isn't in the right layout it's going to fail | 01:37 |
| Andy80 | yes... like old maemo building service I suppose... | 01:38 |
| Andy80 | so.... qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan which is inside CuteSoma/ is not the thing I want.... | 01:38 |
| Elleo | yes, you want that | 01:38 |
| Andy80 | yes? | 01:38 |
| Elleo | but you want it to be moved to $TOP_LEVEL/debian/ | 01:39 |
| Elleo | you could possibly just symlink it I guess, dunno if that's work | 01:39 |
| Elleo | that'd* | 01:39 |
| Elleo | (you'd have to make sure it was a relative link though) | 01:39 |
| Andy80 | I've no /debian/ folder inside CuteSoma/ | 01:39 |
| Elleo | Andy80: no, that's your qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan at the moment | 01:40 |
| Elleo | you need to move it to debian/ | 01:40 |
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| Elleo | as that's where all the debian tools expect it to be | 01:40 |
| Andy80 | ah okok wait... | 01:40 |
| Andy80 | I symlink then.. | 01:40 |
| Andy80 | andrea@ubuntu:~/Documents/sviluppo/CuteSoma$ ln -s qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/ debian | 01:41 |
| Elleo | dunno if it'll work, but it's worth a try | 01:41 |
| Elleo | then try doing dpkg-buildpackage and see if it's happy | 01:41 |
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| Andy80 | nope.... it says: http://pastebin.com/wdpV5AVm | 01:42 |
| Elleo | Andy80: you should be doing the build inside scratchbox | 01:43 |
| Andy80 | but it looks like a deps problem... | 01:43 |
| Elleo | otherwise you won't have all the relevant deps | 01:43 |
| Andy80 | ahhhh | 01:43 |
| Andy80 | mmmmm.... | 01:43 |
| Andy80 | I don't have it yet | 01:43 |
| Andy80 | when I installed ubuntu 11.04 I didn't re-install it | 01:43 |
| Elleo | you might be able to get the relevant deps for ubuntu | 01:44 |
| Elleo | you'll need at least build-essential and libqt4-dev | 01:44 |
| Elleo | but I don't know if there's any meego specific stuff you might be linking against | 01:44 |
| Andy80 | I think I have it.... maybe it's better if I installa Scratchbox | 01:44 |
| Elleo | yeah, especially since without scratchbox you won't be able to build armel packages easily | 01:45 |
| Elleo | although I guess that doesn't matter so much if you're going to be using OBS in the end | 01:45 |
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| Andy80 | mmm... cannot find harmattan sdk with google.... strange it's not in the first page :P | 01:45 |
| Elleo | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com | 01:46 |
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| Andy80 | thanks | 01:47 |
| Elleo | no worries | 01:47 |
| Andy80 | incredible.... (OT) I sent a feedback note to the Google Music service and they replied to me :) not a pre-packaged message... a real anwser :P | 01:51 |
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| Elleo | heh | 01:51 |
| auke | it said "lolwhut mp3?" ? | 01:58 |
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| npm | Because it's ancient version. 5.0 is 2011's | 03:13 |
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| * npm uses http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem-Firefox4 | 03:14 | |
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| npm | googlecode groans over 44Mb checkin ( http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ ) | 03:23 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:32 |
| berndhs | I noticed people stopped saying "good <insert time of day>" | 03:34 |
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| npm | qtzhibit running on exopc: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzhibit-presidents.png | 03:55 |
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| npm | rendering the following data: http://trunk.simile-widgets.org/exhibit/examples/presidents/presidents.js | 03:56 |
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| zx2c4 | there's no netcat on the n950 | 04:10 |
| zx2c4 | what to do! | 04:10 |
| zx2c4 | im trying to get pulseaudio's cli | 04:10 |
| ali1234 | install it? | 04:11 |
| zx2c4 | from where | 04:11 |
| zx2c4 | apt-get install netcat or nc or telnet etc | 04:12 |
| zx2c4 | none of that work | 04:12 |
| zx2c4 | is there some extra repo i can add to apt? | 04:12 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 04:12 |
| ali1234 | can you just drop in a static binary? | 04:12 |
| berndhs | build from source | 04:12 |
| zx2c4 | yea i guess i can cross compile on my system | 04:12 |
| zx2c4 | big pain in the ass | 04:12 |
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| zx2c4 | the n900 there's those giant community repos | 04:13 |
| zx2c4 | sigh | 04:13 |
| ali1234 | there's a couple here if you don't want to compile: http://www.papermint-designs.com/dmo/prj-netkitty.html | 04:13 |
| zx2c4 | anyone know about how n950s firewallw orks? | 04:13 |
| ali1234 | oh wait that's something else | 04:13 |
| berndhs | send me a n950 and i find out and tell you all about it :) | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | but maybe you can use it instead | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | heh, me too | 04:14 |
| zx2c4 | sure! what's your address | 04:15 |
| zx2c4 | jk | 04:15 |
| berndhs | :) | 04:15 |
| zx2c4 | got it | 04:24 |
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| berndhs | the 1.2-oss repo still has yum | 04:59 |
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| zx2c4 | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vh48kRUtKpoJ:harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/package-manager/+http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/package-manager&cd=2&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=es&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.es | 05:36 |
| zx2c4 | what happened with that | 05:36 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:40 |
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| berndhs | another 20 minutes, no reason to panic | 06:40 |
| iekku | :D | 06:40 |
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| iekku | berndhs, from tomorrow morning i will be on vacation for 3,5 weeks, so not here to tell when to go to sleep :P | 06:41 |
| iekku | or if i am, it's way too late :D | 06:42 |
| berndhs | that could be a problem, thanks for the heads-up :) | 06:42 |
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| bkalinga | i wanted use valkyrie; front end for valgrind in meego | 09:11 |
| bkalinga | but while configuring it ,getting some Qt dependency error. | 09:11 |
| bkalinga | anyone able to use any memcheck frontend to find out memleaks in meego? | 09:12 |
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| iekku | time for Handset UX Bug Triage @ #meego-meeting | 10:01 |
| zx2c4 | thanks iekku | 10:01 |
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| TheBootroo | hello i have received my N950 | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | congrats | 10:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i haven't yet :( | 10:06 |
| TheBootroo | but i can't enable Wifi mode for SDK connection | 10:06 |
| iekku | TheBootroo, nice! | 10:06 |
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| TheBootroo | in the sdk connection app | 10:07 |
| TheBootroo | i can't edit settings for the wifi mide | 10:07 |
| TheBootroo | *mode | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: best to ask on the developer.nokia.com forums | 10:07 |
| TheBootroo | so the ip is 0.0.0.0 which is bad IMO | 10:07 |
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| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: is there any IRC channel | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 10:08 |
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| zx2c4 | TheBootroo: why not just use usb? | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | zx2c4: i don't have linux at work and usb rndis driver for win7 doesnt exist | 10:12 |
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| zx2c4 | TheBootroo: aaa gotcha | 10:16 |
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| zx2c4 | let me try getting wlan woring on mine. one second | 10:16 |
| zx2c4 | you're right thebootroo | 10:17 |
| zx2c4 | the edit settings button does nothing | 10:17 |
| zx2c4 | TheBootroo: i have it working | 10:19 |
| zx2c4 | just have it connect to your wireless network | 10:19 |
| zx2c4 | with the correct IP address in dhcp | 10:19 |
| zx2c4 | and it works fine | 10:19 |
| zx2c4 | it has to be connected to th einternet first | 10:20 |
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| TheBootroo | i was thinking the button create a ad hoc connection but not | 10:20 |
| zx2c4 | no. | 10:20 |
| zx2c4 | all the SDK app does is display your IP address (either your wlan ip or your usb ip) | 10:20 |
| zx2c4 | and then sets a random password | 10:20 |
| zx2c4 | and displays it | 10:20 |
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| zx2c4 | TheBootroo: what are youd oin with your N950? im trying to find new places to investigate on it | 10:21 |
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| TheBootroo | i'm trying to connect in root shh to start hacking on harmattan a little | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | (installing home made qt apps, tweak themes css;..) | 10:23 |
| zx2c4 | ssh developer@ipaddress | 10:24 |
| zx2c4 | password written on screen | 10:24 |
| zx2c4 | # devel-su | 10:24 |
| the-boss | zx2c4: Error: "devel-su" is not a valid command. | 10:24 |
| zx2c4 | password is rootme | 10:24 |
| zx2c4 | # | 10:24 |
| zx2c4 | what?! | 10:24 |
| zx2c4 | the-boss: you dont have devel su are you kidding? | 10:24 |
| the-boss | zx2c4: Error: "you" is not a valid command. | 10:24 |
| zx2c4 | oh. ahahahah okay | 10:25 |
| zx2c4 | it just executes things | 10:25 |
| zx2c4 | thats funny | 10:25 |
| zx2c4 | the-boss: ls | 10:25 |
| the-boss | zx2c4: Error: "ls" is not a valid command. | 10:25 |
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| zx2c4 | ohh its an irc bot | 10:25 |
| zx2c4 | my bad | 10:25 |
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| zx2c4 | yea so sorry for the clutter TheBootroo -- in summary: 1. ssh developer@ip.address with the password on the screen. 2. devel-su to get root with the password rootme | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo | so i cant connect directly in root mode ? | 10:27 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:33 |
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| kavacha | hi, I am having an issue with 'mic-image-creator' | 10:36 |
| kavacha | sudo mic-image-creator -c tablet-ia32-qemu.ks --mainrepo oss | 10:36 |
| kavacha | Error: failed to create image : Failed to build transaction : syncevolution-buteo-1.1.99.4-4.39.i586 requires libsynccommon.so.0 | 10:36 |
| kavacha | the .ks file is from | 10:36 |
| kavacha | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.80/latest/builddata/image-configs/ | 10:36 |
| kavacha | any ideas ? | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | 1.2.80 is 1.3, a lot of invasive work going on there | 10:37 |
| TheBootroo | where can i get rndis driver for win 7 and N950 ? | 10:38 |
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| dm8tbr | TheBootroo: such questions better asked on #harmattan I guess | 10:39 |
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| Sage | anaZ: FYI: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/kickstarter/merge_requests/7 | 10:52 |
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| Khertan_w | Morning | 11:18 |
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| zx2c4 | hey can someone help me using mad | 11:21 |
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| zx2c4 | im trying to build qjson for my n950 | 11:21 |
| lcuk | morning Khertan_w \o | 11:22 |
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| Khertan_w | morning lcuk | 11:27 |
| lbt | morning all | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 11:28 |
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| X-Fade | morning all | 11:30 |
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| kavacha | how can I find the base repository in OBS | 11:31 |
| kavacha | I can see that dbus is in Base: Trunk Trunk:Testing | 11:31 |
| kavacha | but where is the devel branch ? | 11:32 |
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| vvaltone | devel:base? | 11:32 |
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| kavacha | vvaltone: Thanks | 11:35 |
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| vvaltone | the dbus package there looks a bit weak for 'devel' :P | 11:36 |
| vvaltone | ancient version, no patches | 11:36 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, lbt, Stskeeps \o | 11:39 |
| lbt | hey lcuk | 11:39 |
| lbt | morning Stskeeps | 11:39 |
| lbt | and X-Fade | 11:39 |
| lbt | wow, life in here today ... party! | 11:40 |
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| vvaltone | but I guess that's the same dbus that's everywhere else too | 11:41 |
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| iekku | :D | 11:44 |
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| Sage | kavacha: when you do osc branch Trunk:Testing dbus it should automatically branch from the right devel project if there is one. | 11:50 |
| kavacha | thanks Sage! | 11:51 |
| vvaltone | kavacha, wanting to update it to 1.4.12? | 11:51 |
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| Sage | if it doesn't branch it from right devel project then the devel maintainer needs to submit a devel change request for the package | 11:52 |
| Sage | also should be noted that all packages do not have devel projects | 11:53 |
| zx2c4 | d p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } DBus error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.167" (uid=29999 pid=4350 comm="/opt/LocationTracker/bin/LocationTracker ") interface="com.nokia.positioningd.client" member="configSession" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.nokia.positioningd.client" (uid=29999 pid=848 comm="/usr/bin/positioningd ")) | 11:56 |
| zx2c4 | DBus error: | 11:56 |
| zx2c4 | org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied | 11:56 |
| zx2c4 | Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.167" (uid=29999 pid=4350 comm="/opt/LocationTracker/bin/LocationTracker ") interface="com.nokia.positioningd.client" member="configSession" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.nokia.positioningd.client" (uid=29999 pid=848 comm="/usr/bin/positioningd ")) | 11:56 |
| zx2c4 | why can't i get QtMobility's location services to work | 11:56 |
| zx2c4 | on my n950 | 11:56 |
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| lbt | pastie please zx2c4 | 11:57 |
| zx2c4 | lbt http://pastebin.com/GvRa33G7 | 11:57 |
| MSM1 | All hail the great wall of error | 11:57 |
| * MSM1 bows | 11:57 | |
| lbt | zx2c4: was thinking you should pastie the error ... but random code is fine too | 11:58 |
| kavacha | Sage: thanks, I had noticed some were missing | 11:58 |
| zx2c4 | lbt http://pastebin.com/hCXYuWwz | 11:59 |
| zx2c4 | lbt any help? | 11:59 |
| kavacha | Sage: is there a way to see from Trunk: ... where the devel branch actually is | 11:59 |
| kavacha | e.g. if i did not know that a package is in base | 11:59 |
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| kavacha | from the devel:base/dbus 'source files' I can see that it links up to trunk | 12:00 |
| kavacha | but how about the other way ? | 12:00 |
| zx2c4 | lbt ?!? | 12:02 |
| kavacha | vvaltone: no, but is there a plan to do that ? | 12:03 |
| djszapi | zx2c4 lbt is busy file a bugreport :) | 12:03 |
| vvaltone | kavacha, that's not something I know, I have packages of it tho | 12:03 |
| lbt | zx2c4: Set permissions? and reload dbus? | 12:04 |
| lbt | eg group membership | 12:05 |
| zx2c4 | lbt: I'm just deploying this as normal from qt creator | 12:05 |
| zx2c4 | lbt: and it looks like aegis manifest is correct | 12:05 |
| lbt | Over to someone else then ... sorry | 12:05 |
| djszapi | zx2c4: aegis is always correct ;) What are you doing ? | 12:06 |
| zx2c4 | djszapi nothing crazy. i just wrote the code in my pastebin and then i hit deploy in qtcreator | 12:08 |
| zx2c4 | but im getting those dbus errors | 12:08 |
| kavacha | zx2c4: harmattan ?? | 12:08 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: yes. | 12:08 |
| kavacha | zx2c4: you need to install the package so that the manifest is installed correctly | 12:08 |
| djszapi | zx2c4: n950 ? | 12:09 |
| kavacha | can you paste the manifest ? | 12:09 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: mad/qtcreator does not do this automatically | 12:09 |
| zx2c4 | djszapi: yes | 12:09 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: sure. one second | 12:09 |
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| zx2c4 | kavacha: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/437603/ | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can .spec files take attributes from OBS package it's in? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | let's say if i wanted to use Domain or something | 12:11 |
| djszapi | zx2c4: isn't there already a trazx2c4: it is a different tracker than what the image ships right ? | 12:11 |
| djszapi | ok again :) zx2c4: it is a different tracker than what the image ships right ? | 12:11 |
| zx2c4 | djszapi: yes. im writing my own little thing | 12:11 |
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| zx2c4 | WELL THIS IS INTERESTING. kavacha djszapi when it runs from qtcreator i get the dbus errors. when i load it as the developer user over ssh there's no problem | 12:13 |
| zx2c4 | ......... hmmm | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Going to add "JFDI" comments to http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3829 ? | 12:13 |
| lbt | yeah "best time to discuss if we really want these features" | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 12:14 |
| lbt | err, no. JFDI | 12:14 |
| kavacha | zx2c4: is there a /etc/dbus-1/*.conf file associated with your application ? | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | It's so *not* that time, given it was one of the requirements for selecting this forum s/w in the first place ;-) | 12:14 |
| kavacha | zx2c4: either in the session or system dirs? | 12:15 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: no. why shold there be? | 12:15 |
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| zx2c4 | im not making a daemon | 12:15 |
| zx2c4 | this is just connecting to the normal location service via dbus via qtmobility | 12:16 |
| zx2c4 | ... | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | you prolly need aegis credentials/declare them | 12:19 |
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| kavacha | zx2c4: what is the path that the instance of qtcreator launched runs as ? | 12:20 |
| seif | can some1 help me with the following error http://pastebin.com/Ts35z9ki when trying to run http://pastebin.com/9vWnfDDq | 12:20 |
| kavacha | because if it is not "/opt/LocationTracker/bin/LocationTracker" it will probably fail | 12:21 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: | 12:21 |
| zx2c4 | /home/developer $ ps aux|grep LocationTracker | 12:21 |
| zx2c4 | 3016 user sh -c /usr/lib/mad-developer/devrootsh chmod a+x /opt/LocationTracker/bin/LocationTracker; :; test -f /etc/profile && source /etc/profile; test -f /home/user/.profile && source /home/user/.profile; test -f ~/.profile && source ~/.profile; gdbserver :10000 /opt/LocationTracker/bin/LocationTracker | 12:21 |
| zx2c4 | 3027 user gdbserver :10000 /opt/LocationTracker/bin/LocationTracker | 12:21 |
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| zx2c4 | kavacha: oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh THATS INTERESTING. if i run it with out debugging, then it works | 12:22 |
| zx2c4 | *something is happening when its run through gdbserver * | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | heh, damn aegis | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: mbarcode is in qt and uses gst as backend? | 12:23 |
| seif | kavacha, was what you posted related to what i asked | 12:23 |
| zx2c4 | seif IM HAVING THE SAME ISSUE | 12:24 |
| seif | zx2c4, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 12:24 |
| zx2c4 | seif so far ive found that if you run it WITHOUT gdbserver, then it works | 12:24 |
| seif | zx2c4, ok can some1 catch me up on what i am missing | 12:24 |
| seif | how do i run it without gdbserver | 12:24 |
| seif | ? | 12:24 |
| zx2c4 | seif: i'd guess that in your case, it has to do with a lack of a manifest for the program | 12:24 |
| seif | what do u mean by manifest | 12:25 |
| zx2c4 | seif: i dunno how to do this with python or scripts | 12:25 |
| zx2c4 | google around for aegis manifest | 12:25 |
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| zx2c4 | seif: its funny though... i have almost the same.excct.code, but in C+++ | 12:25 |
| Khertan_w | seif: http://mysite.verizon.net/ralph.a.smith1/aegis/howto-html/how_to_use_aegis_with_python.html | 12:25 |
| kavacha | zx2c4: the manifest is attached to the package not the code | 12:26 |
| Khertan_w | seif: http://dz015.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-or-python-security-fw-and-harmattan/ | 12:26 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: aaa okay. i dunno much about it. you're better off heling seif | 12:26 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: what do you make of the fact that it breaks with gdbserver but works standalone? | 12:26 |
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| kavacha | zx2c4: interesting :) | 12:28 |
| kavacha | what happens if you run 'gdb myapp' | 12:28 |
| kavacha | and then just 'run' | 12:28 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: one second | 12:28 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: no dice! | 12:29 |
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| zx2c4 | well, we've found a bug evidently | 12:29 |
| zx2c4 | unless this is some big general thing where aegis permissions have to be relaxed for debugging to work | 12:29 |
| seif | Khertan_w, kavacha what if i dont want to "package" my app ? | 12:31 |
| kavacha | seif: then no joy using credential protected resources | 12:32 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: yes | 12:32 |
| seif | oh boy | 12:32 |
| seif | kavacha, i have no clue of packaging | 12:32 |
| seif | but its a qt application | 12:32 |
| seif | can the sdk do it for me | 12:32 |
| seif | ? | 12:32 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: why do you ask? | 12:32 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I'm told by someone who has a device that it runs with only some minor mods | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: pondering a funny use for it in n900CE | 12:33 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: fire away | 12:33 |
| lardman | Once I get my broadband back I'm planning an overhaul of the whole code structure, so now's the time to add features if needed | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: well, just wondering how dificult it would be to move onto meego instead | 12:34 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: I seem to remember lcuk saying that he'd run it on the N900 with Meego | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, ok | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | but ideally i'd like to use mbarcode within a qml setting/declarative | 12:36 |
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| lardman | There are other questions about how it should be used - for example it would be nice to add barcode search as a feature to the camera app (like the face recognition), which would save needing to open a separate app | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | how cpu intensive is it? | 12:36 |
| lardman | very when decoding | 12:36 |
| lardman | but if the recognition could be done reasonably cheaply, and then only single frame decoding used, that would make life far easier | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:37 |
| seif | Khertan_w, it says: "Use Aegis version 3.23 or later, and set the following in the project config file: | 12:37 |
| seif | " | 12:37 |
| seif | which config file are they taling about | 12:37 |
| lardman | atm it scans something like 10fps so hits 100% cpu usage afair to try to extract barcodes if they are present. | 12:37 |
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| lardman | but if time were not a problem the accuracy could be far better and therefore it would only spike the cpu | 12:38 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: Other people have also asked for the app to be broken up into a decoder part (without video grabbing stuff), a widget that does video + decoding; I guess this is what you're thinking of with the qml stuff? | 12:40 |
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| kavacha | zx2c4: can you try and run 'accli -p PID -I' where PID is the pid of the process started by running /opt... without gdb | 12:48 |
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| kavacha | zx2c4: then try the same where pid is the pid of the application being traced by gdb | 12:49 |
| lcuk | lardman, not managed to get mbarcode onto meego | 12:49 |
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| Stskeepz | lcuk: do you have a video of the thing where you synchronise in liqbase between two n900s using camera? | 12:50 |
| lcuk | do you mean in the invar stuff? | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | with the recognition dots? | 12:51 |
| Sage | kavacha: http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=nokia-n900-configs&project=Trunk%3ATesting <- it is shown like this in webui at least | 12:51 |
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| Stskeepz | lcuk: yeah | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 12:52 |
| lcuk | i am trying to build a mic2 image based on the netbook 1.2 | 12:52 |
| lcuk | but it will not download adobe nor flash stuff | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | Stskeepz, once I build an image for netbook, is the process the same for ARM builds too? | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | or do they need to be done inside qemu? | 12:55 |
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| lardman | lcuk: ah ok | 13:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: once my N950 arrives I'll try the latest N900CE build and see if I can get it up and running | 13:00 |
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| Sage | lardman: You mean N900CE build on N900 or N950? | 13:05 |
| lardman | on the N900 ;) | 13:05 |
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| lardman | Sage: don't worry, I did realise the difference :) | 13:05 |
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| Sage | lardman: well, mainly asked because we have the n950ce images almost there as well. | 13:06 |
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| lardman | oh right, cool | 13:06 |
| * lardman does not look forward to sorting out Meego build process | 13:07 | |
| lardman | that is the main reason I've not bothered so far, fear of obs | 13:07 |
| lardman | obsphobia, I wonder if that actually means something.... | 13:07 |
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| * lardman goes to grab a coffee with Holly, bbiab | 13:08 | |
| lcuk | lardman, http://bc.tech.coop/blog/images/curves.jpg apply that logic to build systems ;) | 13:08 |
| lardman | lol | 13:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, but it is right, once you get started it is easier | 13:10 |
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| lcuk | take for example now in a console window: I have an image building :D | 13:10 |
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| wazd | erm, ping? :) | 13:14 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Building stuff in OBS for Harmattan seems quite straightforward. Your http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS has been fleshed out a bit, and there's http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 if you're using Qt Creator | 13:18 |
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| wazd | Have you seen my bit bout Nokia Russia? :) | 13:22 |
| wazd | Nokia's sending N950's with courier directly to Nokia Russia to avoid russian customs :P | 13:23 |
| Stskeepz | hehe | 13:24 |
| wazd | Seriously, I'm embarrased | 13:24 |
| leinir | Hehe, judging by what people in Russia tell me about how that stuff works (or, well, doesn't as the case seems to be), i can't say i'm surprised | 13:24 |
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| wazd | I totally understand the reasons for these actions but really, that's horrible | 13:25 |
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| wazd | Really have nothing but facepalm for this | 13:26 |
| leinir | Yes, yes it is... What /really/ disturbs me is that Russia is in such a horrible state that Nokia finds themselves needing to do so... | 13:26 |
| wazd | According to Mr. Medvedev everything's pretty cool :P | 13:26 |
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| vvaltone | wazd, are you implying that Nokia Russia might get bricks if they didn't? | 13:27 |
| wazd | vvaltone: absolutely | 13:27 |
| wazd | vvaltone: they did it before and doing it now | 13:28 |
| wazd | vvaltone: actually flour is the new brick :D | 13:28 |
| vvaltone | ah.. bricks are too expensive? | 13:28 |
| wazd | you can finetune weight of the parcell | 13:28 |
| vvaltone | oh.. true | 13:28 |
| wazd | so it will be impossible to sue customs | 13:29 |
| vvaltone | undoubtedly nokia decided to send flour in phone boxes | 13:29 |
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| vvaltone | and attempt to blame the pristine russian customs for it | 13:30 |
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| wazd | vvaltone: yep | 13:30 |
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| Stskeepz | wazd: so they're going to send them with courier to russia and suddenly it ends up at eldar's place? :P | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | u/me googles 'bribes officer' 'russian customs' | 13:31 |
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| Summeli | lardman: at least qt apps were easy to build with qtsdk & madde | 13:31 |
| wazd | Stskeepz: I guess they are all assigned and counted so it will be hard to perform such a trick :) | 13:31 |
| Stskeepz | hehe | 13:32 |
| Summeli | I got antsnes running on my n950 in about two hours or so | 13:32 |
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| wazd | Connection reset by beer :P | 13:35 |
| iekku | mmm, beer | 13:36 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: cool | 13:38 |
| lardman | Summeli: unfortunately it's not just a Qt app though, it requires some support libraries | 13:38 |
| Summeli | lardman: I compiled the snes9x stuff with qt's pro-file as static lib, and then linked into that | 13:39 |
| Summeli | then just add those support libs to the actual executable | 13:39 |
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| Summeli | I have to write my own makefiles for gpsp, but the madde seems to be working, so that shouldn't take too much time | 13:40 |
| lardman | I don't want static linking though | 13:40 |
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| lardman | anyway I'll sort it out once I have the device in front of me | 13:40 |
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| zx2c4 | http://git.zx2c4.com/LocationTracker/tree/Tracker.cpp | 13:40 |
| zx2c4 | comin along.... | 13:41 |
| kavacha | zx2c4: can you try and run 'accli -p PID -I' where PID is the pid of the process started by running /opt... without gdb | 13:42 |
| zx2c4 | kavacha: it works without gdb. with gdb it fails | 13:43 |
| kavacha | zx2c4: then try the same where pid is the pid of the application being traced by gdb | 13:43 |
| zx2c4 | okay | 13:43 |
| zx2c4 | sleep time for now | 13:44 |
| zx2c4 | almost 7am here! | 13:44 |
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| kavacha | anybody like to provide some advice on wiorking with OBS | 13:45 |
| kavacha | I have my git repo | 13:45 |
| kavacha | and there is a package in OBS | 13:45 |
| kavacha | how can I build my git branch against OBS | 13:46 |
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| zx2c4 | kavacha: have any luck getting community meego on the 950? | 13:59 |
| Stskeepz | please wait until we have a ready image, as you might damage your device else :) | 14:00 |
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| zx2c4 | Stskeepz: who is "we" and how can I get my hands wet with getting involved in helping the process and where can i start reading about how all the meego processes work? | 14:00 |
| Stskeepz | zx2c4: #meego-arm is a good place | 14:00 |
| Stskeepz | and we being the people making the hw adaptation | 14:00 |
| zx2c4 | cool | 14:00 |
| zx2c4 | Stskeepz: but who is that -- community members? or nokia employees? is there a designated team, or is it just people with the know-how loosely connected | 14:01 |
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| Stskeepz | zx2c4: well, we're a community project (ie, unsupported, you can't call nokia care) but we're a group of people doing it, some/most of us paid to do so (and because we think it's fun) | 14:02 |
| zx2c4 | cool | 14:02 |
| Stskeepz | Your order has been sent on 13.7.2011. Please see the order information below. | 14:02 |
| Stskeepz | \o/ | 14:02 |
| zx2c4 | CONGRATS | 14:02 |
| zx2c4 | nice | 14:02 |
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| zx2c4 | Stskeepz: are tehre documents on how the devices work that I can read? | 14:02 |
| Stskeepz | zx2c4: not sure if there's so much info on n950 yet | 14:03 |
| luist | can anyone copy the files inside /etc/zypp/repos.d/ for me? | 14:03 |
| luist | or at least the oss repo | 14:03 |
| zx2c4 | Stskeepz: shucks. how come? people havent written it or nokia hasnt released? | 14:03 |
| zx2c4 | [sorry i have tons of questions] | 14:03 |
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| Stskeepz | zx2c4: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | Stskeepz, what were you pondering about the invar? | 14:05 |
| Stskeepz | lcuk: i'll elaborate a bit when i have the right things in place :) | 14:05 |
| * Stskeepz waits on his n8x0 kernel build | 14:06 | |
| lcuk | ok | 14:06 |
| lcuk | i have first meego usbimg created simply | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 14:07 |
| Stskeepz | supposedly there is cpufreq/dvfs support for n8x0 now in modern kernels | 14:07 |
| Stskeepz | that could revive the poor things | 14:07 |
| lcuk | these instructions are not quite right though | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | mine is revived already | 14:07 |
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| luist | can anyone copy the content of the oss repo from /etc/zypp/repos.d in meego 1.2.0 please? | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | luist, i was just reading the .ks file for 1.2 netbook | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.ks | 14:12 |
| lcuk | inside there is the list of repositories I believe | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it was through accelerometer or camera dots, btw? | 14:13 |
| lcuk | camera | 14:13 |
| lcuk | accelerometer is not accurate enough | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:13 |
| lcuk | that works if you put 9 devices together | 14:13 |
| luist | lcuk: true but i dont need only the url.. i need mostly the right gpg key tag | 14:13 |
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| tcs-meego | Hi! I have NVidia ION on Zotac Zbox running superbly using HDMI with Meego netbook build | 14:44 |
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| tcs-meego | on the other hand, i am grappling with Open GL ES 2 for meego IVI.. and Qt Open GL for the same box | 14:44 |
| tcs-meego | would anyone here know what to do for those... i was wondering if I should try finding libEGL.so and libGLESv2.so for the NVIDIA ion..any help would be appreciated | 14:45 |
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| seif | hey guys | 15:23 |
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| seif | what is the UI toolkit used on n950 | 15:23 |
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| seif | is it qt or hildon | 15:23 |
| seif | or something else | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | not hildon, thank god | 15:24 |
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| thiago | Qt, MTF and QML | 15:24 |
| seif | MTF ? | 15:26 |
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| thiago | libmeegotouch | 15:26 |
| seif | ah ok | 15:26 |
| seif | thiago, because i wrote an app in qt but it does not look very native in there | 15:27 |
| seif | :) | 15:27 |
| thiago | using QWidget? | 15:27 |
| seif | thiago, i think so | 15:28 |
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| thiago | then that was your mistake | 15:29 |
| thiago | we tried really hard to make it look native, but QWidget is just too limited | 15:29 |
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| seif | thiago, so porting to MTF seems like the only solution huh | 15:31 |
| seif | ? | 15:31 |
| thiago | or to QML (Components) | 15:31 |
| thiago | safer | 15:31 |
| seif | hmmmmmmm | 15:31 |
| seif | i wrote it in pyside | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | thiago, how does qt look native on other oses then? | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | styles, but they didn't manage to get it stable enough on harmattan | 15:41 |
| thiago | lcuk: limited OSs | 15:42 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 15:42 |
| lcuk | how do non-qt apps look on it? | 15:42 |
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| thiago | as ugly or uglier | 15:43 |
| thiago | the plainqt style at least gets the colours right | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | i suppose for games and stuff (SDL) it won't matter | 15:43 |
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| thiago | right | 15:44 |
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| vvaltone | I thought MTF was more or less obsolete? | 15:48 |
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| thiago | vvaltone: it is | 15:52 |
| vvaltone | there is that rather broken mtf theming for qt too, but that never worked in a way you'd want to show off to anyone | 15:53 |
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| thiago | that's the plainqt style | 15:54 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Does anybody have this "osc" tool installed ? I need some help about libxml2 on Harmattan. The OBS webinterface cannot really do anything with for one reason. | 16:08 |
| djszapi | * with libxml2 | 16:08 |
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| thiago | djszapi: what does OBS have to do with Harmattan? | 16:10 |
| djszapi | thiago: there is a harmattan target. | 16:11 |
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| meego-beginner | hi guys. I am trying to run an application using openglgraphicssytem. The application is not launched and the error shown is this libEGL fatal: DRI2: failed to authenticate. I am using meego from chroot. Any one faced similar issue before?? | 16:29 |
| meego-beginner | my os is ubuntu 10.10 | 16:30 |
| lcuk | berndhs, you re making a us spin! | 16:30 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: not just US, world-wide :) | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, one thing about yacht interface is less internet reliance I gather | 16:33 |
| djszapi | X-Fade do you have any idea for this libxml2-dev issue ? | 16:33 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: yes the off-vehicle net is not as reliable | 16:33 |
| lcuk | djszapi, X-Fade gave you a suggestion yesterday | 16:33 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20971#c3 | 16:33 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug 20971 cri, Undecided, ---, maemo, ASSI, libxml2 dependency installation does not work on Harmattan target | 16:34 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: yes, I already answered that. | 16:34 |
| lcuk | you said you had no time to try it. | 16:34 |
| djszapi | still stick by. | 16:34 |
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| djszapi | and I do not really see how it would help with anything. | 16:34 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | hiya CosmoHill | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, the debian.tar.gz file in your package is not a .tar.gz? | 16:41 |
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| rafael2k | people, what graphical browsers does exist for meego? | 16:43 |
| djszapi | lcuk: your mean ? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | fennec, meego ux browser, helium , .. | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 16:43 |
| rafael2k | great, fennec! greeeat! | 16:43 |
| djszapi | I hope rekonq will be ported :p | 16:43 |
| * thiago hopes grob is opensourced | 16:44 | |
| rafael2k | is meego ux browser webkit based? | 16:44 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, i don't know, but it is not a .tar.gz but a .tar file | 16:44 |
| lcuk | i was just going to try and see what the build-depends were cnfigured to | 16:44 |
| rafael2k | does harmattan comes with flash support? | 16:45 |
| thiago | the tablet ux is webkit based (chromium-based) | 16:45 |
| thiago | rafael2k: yes | 16:45 |
| rafael2k | ; ) | 16:45 |
| djszapi | lcuk: which one ? | 16:45 |
| lcuk | the one relating to your bug 20791 | 16:45 |
| rafael2k | thiago: can it be copied to meego CE and in some way work? | 16:45 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20791 nor, Undecided, ---, christophe.dumez, RELE FIXED, Organizer/KCal-EDS: QOrganizerManager::items(QDateTime, QDateTime) does not behave correctly for rec | 16:45 |
| djszapi | well the flash support is very pure | 16:45 |
| lcuk | errr bug 20971 | 16:45 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20971 cri, Undecided, ---, maemo, ASSI, libxml2 dependency installation does not work on Harmattan target | 16:46 |
| djszapi | and the N950 devices do not contain it for example. | 16:46 |
| djszapi | use html5 where you can. | 16:46 |
| thiago | rafael2k: sure | 16:46 |
| rafael2k | thiago: great | 16:46 |
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| thiago | rafael2k: oh, wait you meant harmattan | 16:46 |
| rafael2k | <- still waiting for my N950 | 16:46 |
| thiago | rafael2k: I'm mixing conversations | 16:46 |
| thiago | rafael2k: it depends on whether grob is made opensource | 16:46 |
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| rafael2k | thiago: what grob is? | 16:46 |
| thiago | the flash plugin for ARM might have licensing restrictions | 16:46 |
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| rafael2k | thiago: but from a techinical point of view, can it works in meego CE? | 16:47 |
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| thiago | rafael2k: the harmattan browser | 16:47 |
| djszapi | thiago: why is the license matter for Nokia ? It did not matter in other cases either ? | 16:47 |
| thiago | rafael2k: yes | 16:47 |
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| thiago | djszapi: it doesn't matter for Nokia | 16:47 |
| djszapi | I mean cannot they get some certificate ? | 16:47 |
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| thiago | djszapi: Nokia obviously negotiated and got a license that suits it. | 16:47 |
| djszapi | as they do with other things, like the hotspot app | 16:48 |
| rafael2k | thiago: thanks | 16:48 |
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| djszapi | thiago: what was the exclusively reason to not use the flash as it happens on N900 ? | 16:52 |
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| djszapi | also, some mediaplayer might be embedded, I am not sure, instead of a flash. | 16:53 |
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| thiago | djszapi: huh? | 16:57 |
| djszapi | thiago: I thought there was some flash solution also on the N900. | 16:57 |
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| djszapi | Also, you can embed mediaplayer into the browser, if you do not have flash. I might be wrong though. | 16:57 |
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| thiago | djszapi: Fremantle has flash | 16:58 |
| djszapi | yep, what was the reason why Nokia did not go that way as with fremantle ? | 16:59 |
| thiago | ok, I don't get what you mean, let's start over | 16:59 |
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| thiago | Fremantle has flash support, Harmattan has flash support. | 16:59 |
| djszapi | thiago: I do not have flash support on N950 | 17:00 |
| djszapi | (which is harmattan) At least, by default as they shipped it. | 17:00 |
| thiago | test the full Product Release N9 when it's out | 17:00 |
| thiago | Harmattan has flash | 17:00 |
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| ShadowJK | There was some speculation that "flash supported" meant "fennec supports plugins" :) | 17:02 |
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| thiago | it's not Fennec on Harmattan | 17:04 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc it went "no flash support" -> "built in browser for optimized mobile browsing experience, fennec available which supports flash" | 17:05 |
| thiago | that's Fremantle | 17:06 |
| djszapi | grob | 17:06 |
| andre__ | djszapi, default browser on N950 opens flash videos in a new window. works for me. | 17:06 |
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| djszapi | andre__: which image ? week 22 ? | 17:07 |
| thiago | Harmattan has Grob, which is a QtWebKit/Webkit2-based browser | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | and now builtin browser does flash? | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | what | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | andre__, what about live streams? | 17:07 |
| andre__ | djszapi, I'm on week 27 here | 17:07 |
| djszapi | andre__: that is not what was given out | 17:07 |
| djszapi | we got week 22 | 17:08 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, somebody pass a live stream | 17:08 |
| andre__ | djszapi, correct. | 17:08 |
| andre__ | djszapi, so it's been fixed in the meantime. | 17:08 |
| djszapi | it does not work here with week 22. Make sure you did not enter a page which does not handle html5 in the background somehow | 17:08 |
| djszapi | * does handle | 17:08 |
| rafael2k | how about gnash? | 17:08 |
| andre__ | djszapi, I tried youtube. | 17:08 |
| andre__ | rafael2k, context? | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications doesn't list flash | 17:09 |
| ShadowJK | andre__, http://www.livestream.com/cricketscotlandtvlive | 17:09 |
| djszapi | andre__: when can we get a new update (image) for N950 ? | 17:09 |
| andre__ | djszapi, why do you ask me? | 17:09 |
| djszapi | I still need to use N9 until that happens, week 22 is really unmature ;-) | 17:09 |
| djszapi | andree__: ok you do not know either. | 17:10 |
| andre__ | djszapi, I'm not the person uploading images to some server | 17:10 |
| thiago | immature | 17:10 |
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| rafael2k | andre__: gnash could be a good bet for flash on N900/N950 | 17:10 |
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| ShadowJK | So maybe the flash support is really a browser script tailored for youtube which digs out the .flv video and passes it to media player or something | 17:10 |
| djszapi | thiago: yes, it is. | 17:10 |
| thiago | ShadowJK: maybe it's HTML5 video | 17:11 |
| andre__ | rafael2k: shrug. but didn't I write already that flash works for me a few minutes ago? | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | thiago, hm! | 17:11 |
| jani | shadowjk: or maybe just html5 in case of youtube ? ;) | 17:11 |
| djszapi | andre__: we tried that time to embed a media player into the browser | 17:11 |
| djszapi | but we did not investigate too mcuh | 17:11 |
| * jonwil wonders why the switch to a webkit based browser in Harmattan | 17:11 | |
| ShadowJK | djszapi, even if you embed video player in browser, it wont play youtube :P | 17:11 |
| djszapi | well, you tube has html5 | 17:12 |
| * jonwil suspects its because webkit blows the pants off gecko in the mobile space :P | 17:12 | |
| jani | dunno, but recent changes in the youtube's mobile interface are quite frigin excellent when it comes to yoube experience on n9.. | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | jonwil, maybe they couldn't make gecko/firefox stop its focus stealing behaviour, killing the vkb :P | 17:12 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, hah, bingo: "Flash must be installed for you to view this video". so flash isn't supported... | 17:13 |
| jonwil | anyone here know anything about the specs for GSM/UMTS or where to get them from? | 17:13 |
| andre__ | maybe youtube uses automatically html5 or whatever. shrug (I don't have much clue about this) | 17:13 |
| jonwil | Specifically any specs that exist for Cell Broadcast SMS | 17:13 |
| RzR | maybe there are some webproxy that convert flv on the fly too | 17:13 |
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| Stskeeps | jonwil: CBS is the one with the location /text broadcast isn't it? | 17:13 |
| jonwil | yes | 17:13 |
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| jonwil | cell broadcast SMS yes | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: ofono must have it, i got those in CE | 17:14 |
| jonwil | Yeah ofono has support | 17:14 |
| jonwil | I am using the ofono code as a reference | 17:14 |
| ShadowJK | RzR, the challenge is in getting the flv in the first place, youtube is constantly sabotaging youtube players :) | 17:14 |
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| RzR | btw blip.tv provide direct links | 17:14 |
| jonwil | the problem I have is that the ofono code for cell broadcast is complex and undocumented | 17:15 |
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| jonwil | I need some actual documentation on how the hell its supposed to be parsed | 17:15 |
| jonwil | and what all the numbers mean | 17:15 |
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| jonwil | maybe the 3gpp site has some usefull info | 17:16 |
| jonwil | after all, they are the standards body for the GSM standard and its successors | 17:16 |
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| ShadowJK | hehe, only baseline profile for 720p h264 | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | or simple profile mpeg4 (xvid-family) | 17:18 |
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| ShadowJK | but mpeg4 ASP ("full xvid") and h264 main profile (I think x264 defaults use features that aren't main) | 17:19 |
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| rafael2k | people, is it possible to make vaapi works in the N900 or N950? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | no dice on vaapi, it's more like openmax on ARM | 17:26 |
| jonwil | bah, no sign of any usefull specs for smscb on the 3gpp site | 17:27 |
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| jonwil | Everything talks about the radio interface | 17:28 |
| jonwil | and not how the actual data is encoded | 17:28 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: Could you checkout the harmattan target properly with osc ? | 17:57 |
| djszapi | Did you try to run this command ? osc build --no-verify MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan armv7el | 17:57 |
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| * CosmoHill really should run "make validate" before "git push" | 18:07 | |
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| Venemo | hmpfh | 18:11 |
| Venemo | I can't login to forum.meego.com with my N950 - SSL handshake failed. | 18:12 |
| * thiago checks | 18:12 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: time set correctly? | 18:12 |
| Venemo | i simply entered forum.meego.com and then clicked on login | 18:13 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 18:13 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, yes, it's maybe incorrect a minute | 18:13 |
| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 18:13 |
| CosmoHill | ffs, bbc iplayer keeps stopping | 18:13 |
| thiago | Venemo: no reply | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: file a bug about it, might have been an oversight | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | log in works fine for me | 18:14 |
| Venemo | hm | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | on chrome, linux | 18:14 |
| Venemo | file a bug against what? meego.com or harmattan? | 18:14 |
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| thiago | what's the exact website you're trying to use SSL on? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, if it reproduces constantly, there might be an odd ssl issue - we use some kind of multiple-ssl-hosts-per-ip thing | 18:15 |
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| thiago | forum.meego.com port 443 doesn't respond | 18:15 |
| Venemo | thiago, "forum.meego.com" -> I click login | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: probably https://meego.com | 18:15 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, that doesn't work either | 18:16 |
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| * thiago is getting an SSL handshake error too | 18:18 | |
| thiago | investigating | 18:18 |
| CosmoHill | maybe it's left handed | 18:19 |
| thiago | SSLv3 is rejected | 18:19 |
| thiago | TLSv1 works | 18:19 |
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| X-Fade | thiago: Yeah TLS-SNI. | 18:21 |
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| thiago | SNI doesn't seem required for meego.com | 18:21 |
| thiago | the default cert is returned with CN=meego.com | 18:21 |
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| X-Fade | Ah, yeah. I thought it didn't work on other meego subdomains. But the main site doesn't use SNI. | 18:22 |
| thiago | Qt 4.7 doesn't have SNI support, so Harmattan doesn't have it either. | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | We reserved an ip for it. | 18:22 |
| thiago | 4.8 has it | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | But the main website just uses a regular cert? | 18:23 |
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| thiago | well, the non-SNI certificate has CN=meego.com, so it works | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | but it doesn't work on my N950 | 18:24 |
| thiago | SSLv3 | 18:24 |
| * Jaffa *assumes* it works in later images (e.g. the N9s kicking about)... | 18:24 | |
| Jaffa | If not... doh | 18:25 |
| thiago | The Qt 4.7 securesocket example doesn't work either | 18:25 |
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| thiago | I don't get why though... | 18:27 |
| thiago | first of all, the default behaviour of QSslSocket is to enable all protocols, including TLSv1; second, the HTTP code should try TLSv1 first | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | FWIW, meego.com login is the only one I've had problems with | 18:28 |
| thiago | it's a Qt bug | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | Oh | 18:29 |
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| thiago | Qt 5.0 works, so I assume 4.8 works too | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | Is the same bug demonstrated in Qt 4.7.x on Fremantle/desktop? | 18:32 |
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| thiago | Jaffa: I'm testing on the desktop, yes | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | I think https handling in that browser is a bit broken anyway. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | It complains about https://maemo.org too. | 18:35 |
| thiago | X-Fade: my desktop's openssl command also complains about maemo.org | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | Well, there it can't verify the cert. Which is weird as it is a verisign one. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | It's called intermediate certificate and exists for quite a while ;) | 18:36 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Could've expired again :-p | 18:36 |
| thiago | Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate) | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | thiago: Yes, then your lib doesn't use the intermediate cert. | 18:37 |
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| thiago | try this please: openssl s_client -connect maemo.org:443 -CApath /etc/pki/tls/rootcerts | 18:38 |
| thiago | replace the last path with wherever your distro places the root certs | 18:38 |
| Jaffa | Get a 21 verify error on Ubuntu 11.04 (/usr/share/ca-certificates) | 18:40 |
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| thiago | I can't do anything if OpenSSL can't verify this chain | 18:41 |
| Jaffa | thiago: But that's maemo.org, not meego.com | 18:41 |
| thiago | yep | 18:42 |
| thiago | for the meego.com one, I don't get what's wrong, but 4.8 has it fixed | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | maemo.org works on Harmattan browser, so what "anything" do you need to do there? | 18:42 |
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| trem | hi all, I'm lokking for meego kernel, and more especially the support of ce4100/4200, do you know if there is a "public" repository with such kernel ? | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | trem: you could try on the community obs, http://repo.pub.meego.com | 19:01 |
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| trem | CosmoHill: thanks, I'm going to looking for the kernel | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | trem: meego-tv@ has discussion on it | 19:03 |
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| tomeu | trem: maybe one of the kernel-adaptation-* kernels in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/source/ ? | 19:05 |
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| trem | tomeu: that's the repo of src.rpm, do you know a repo for the kernel sources ? | 19:10 |
| tomeu | the .spec file doesn't tell? | 19:10 |
| tomeu | it should | 19:10 |
| tomeu | plus any patches that are applied at packaging | 19:10 |
| tomeu | or at least they do in fedora | 19:11 |
| trem | I look | 19:11 |
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| trem | tomeu: thanks, seems to use the vanilla kernel with only one patches | 19:19 |
| tomeu | yup | 19:19 |
| trem | so meego don't work on ce4100 support | 19:19 |
| trem | I suppose that meego wait this support from intel | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | trem: read lists.meego.com meego-tv, there is a discussion about it | 19:24 |
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| trem | Stskeeps: yep, just found it, and it seems to have some legal issue .... | 19:25 |
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| * andyross would like qt a lot better if it didn't take 45 minutes to build... | 19:50 | |
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| CosmoHill | andyross: what kinda computer? | 19:51 |
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| andyross | Arrandale laptop. Clearly I should be able to do better, but this is what I have available at the moment. | 19:51 |
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| andyross | To be fair though: patches to Qt have the advantage of being testable on my laptop directly without jiggering a bunch of stuff on a MeeGo image. So that's something. | 19:52 |
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| CosmoHill | at uni we're failing to use ANSYS | 19:53 |
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| CosmoHill | but it's taking a very long time to fail and we have no way to measure the progress of any work | 19:53 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: i feel sorry for you poor folks | 19:54 |
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| andyross | CosmoHill: and that's failing to you to prepare for the real world ... how? | 19:54 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: I arrived this morning and opened the room to a heat wave. Some idiot has put the air con on 26C with the cluster running in the room | 19:54 |
| andyross | To first approximation, a career in software development consists of taking a long time to do tasks that can't be meaningfully measured. | 19:55 |
| berndhs | 26 is not that bad | 19:55 |
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| CosmoHill | highest it would good, it annoys me that cold people put on the hottest settings and hot people put it on the coldest | 19:56 |
| andyross | Electronics don't need cold like IT people think they do. Wasn't there a google paper out there pointing out that they run their datacenters at 90F or something? | 19:56 |
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| CosmoHill | in that case the AC should be off, not hottest settings | 19:59 |
| CosmoHill | you're also assuming that my computers aren't crap | 19:59 |
| berndhs | i dont know why my meego netbook wants to be in Finnland, it's not any nicer there than here | 19:59 |
| berndhs | and I don't know why "x" is respawning too fast, although I agree that it should be disabled if it does | 20:01 |
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| CosmoHill | makes it a lot easier to copy and paste | 20:14 |
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| berndhs | take a photograph, print it, scan into ocr | 20:15 |
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| CosmoHill | http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ticket/842 | 20:49 |
| MadCaruretor | Do any phones/tablets currently have meego? | 20:52 |
| thiago | yes | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | MadCaruretor, builds of handset/tablet are available for various devices, there is active n900-ce, there are people working towards n950-ce (or Nokia-ce|MeeGo-ce even) | 20:54 |
| thiago | the WeTab has it and the Acer M500 has been announced | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | thiago, which meego devices do you use? | 20:57 |
| thiago | right now? none | 20:59 |
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| * thiago has a MeeGo netbook at home in Oslo and that's all | 20:59 | |
| MadCaruretor | Nokia should make a meego tablet | 20:59 |
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| seif | hey guys | 21:03 |
| seif | so meego-touch | 21:04 |
| seif | does it have python bindings for the harmattan | 21:04 |
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| thiago | no | 21:05 |
| seif | so what is the best way to use meego-touch | 21:05 |
| seif | c++ ? | 21:05 |
| seif | there is no way to use qml + python and have the same results | 21:06 |
| seif | ? | 21:06 |
| leinir | The best way to use meego-touch is to not use meego-touch ;) | 21:07 |
| leinir | it's been deprecated in meego for over a year now | 21:08 |
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| thiago | not yet a year | 21:09 |
| thiago | it was in october | 21:09 |
| leinir | Really? Hmm... well, for ages anyway ;) | 21:10 |
| lcuk | thiago, travelling season again? | 21:13 |
| thiago | lcuk: no, just vacation | 21:14 |
| lcuk | thiago, where are you holidaying then? | 21:15 |
| thiago | my parents', in Brazil | 21:16 |
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| CosmoHill | *num-pads | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, happened on one of my computers for ages | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | andre__, | 22:36 |
| lcuk | did I see the meego bugzilla components have been open sourced somewhere? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | or rather its configurations etc | 22:36 |
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| berndhs | hey I can run the tablet UX on my decrepit laptop :) | 23:18 |
| berndhs | even looks good | 23:18 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:59 |
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