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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey everybody. How can I stop X from restarting on 1.2? I'm used to killing gdm to stop X auto-restart, but gdm isn't running. | 08:49 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Looks like mthemedaemon is starting X, but the process table doesn't show mthemedaemon running either. | 08:50 |
| Botsik | it's probably the uxlaunch which you're after | 08:53 |
| Botsik | the chain in meego goes something like: runlevel 5 from inittab respawns xinit and start_desktop.pre; the script calls the actual start_desktop, which then runs the actual X session | 08:55 |
| xtingray | hello, somebody here working with ffmpeg as dependency? | 08:56 |
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| sofar | xtingray: not open source - ffmpeg is not OK | 09:01 |
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| xtingray | sofar: excuse me, what kind of license ffmpeg uses? | 09:04 |
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| vvaltone | depends on what options it was built with | 09:07 |
| vvaltone | it's either gpl or lgpl | 09:07 |
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| xtingray | vvaltone: ok... so if it can be gpl or lgpl... then it is not open source? I don't get the sentence "not open source" | 09:08 |
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| sofar | xtingray: it's not that | 09:09 |
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| sofar | xtingray: it may be gpl or not, that's not the point | 09:09 |
| sofar | meego.com can not distribute ffmpeg for "no cost" to anyone | 09:10 |
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| xtingray | sofar: why not? | 09:11 |
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| sofar | any MPEG codec requires a license by the MPEG-LA consortium | 09:11 |
| sofar | before it can be distributed | 09:11 |
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| vvaltone | Software Patents \o/ | 09:12 |
| xtingray | sofar: Did Ubuntu adquire that license? I mean, many linux distros include it... :S | 09:12 |
| sofar | xtingray: they are all required to pay MPEG-LA for each downloaded coded | 09:12 |
| sofar | codec* | 09:12 |
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| sofar | you need to ask Ubuntu if they did, obviously, I do not have that knowledge. | 09:13 |
| xtingray | I guess that a lot of linux distros are out of the law... :S | 09:14 |
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| sofar | it doesn't matter what "others" do | 09:14 |
| vvaltone | or they might not be doing business in countries with software patents | 09:14 |
| Robot101 | they can distribute it for no cost, they just have to pay a per-user fee - google does for chrome for instance | 09:15 |
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| Robot101 | or, well, presumably they distribute enough copies that they're on some flat fee billing now | 09:15 |
| timoph | X-Fade: I need to go. I'll ping you later | 09:15 |
| sofar | one could ask the linuxfoundation to take out a license for each user.... :) | 09:16 |
| xtingray | so, what is the best option (api/library/whatever) to deal with video handling from meego? | 09:16 |
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| vvaltone | phonon perhaps? | 09:17 |
| vvaltone | or gstreamer | 09:17 |
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| sofar | yup | 09:17 |
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| vvaltone | I think the tablet images even had a qml sink for gstreamer | 09:18 |
| dm8tbr | if someone manages to get their hands on gst-plugin-supermegabuttugly then it's their thing :) | 09:18 |
| Robot101 | phonon isn't in meego - qt multimedia is - so it depends what you're trying to do | 09:18 |
| xtingray | gstreamer includes some mpeg codec handling? | 09:18 |
| Bostik | the real problem IMO is that even with gstreamer the moment you want or need a wide array of supported codecs, it's up to pull in gst-ffmpeg | 09:18 |
| vvaltone | xtingray, the products that will be released will most likely include that, yes | 09:19 |
| Robot101 | device manufacturers are ultimately responsible for providing their products with working & licensed codecs | 09:19 |
| sofar | you should build and test with ogg/theora video content | 09:19 |
| sofar | then assume vendors ship MPEG codecs | 09:19 |
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| xtingray | sofar: the problem is exclusive of the mpeg codec? or many codecs are involved on this patent issue? | 09:20 |
| vvaltone | atleast I can't imagine it being a very good business decisions to leave out the most popular codecs | 09:20 |
| dm8tbr | this is one of those situations where people have to realize, that meego in itself is not a 'product' | 09:20 |
| sofar | as application developer, you shouldn't worry about the video format | 09:20 |
| sofar | pick one that is really, really free, use that for your testing | 09:20 |
| sofar | then let the vendors fix the codec support issue | 09:20 |
| sofar | vvaltone: unless you see meego devices being sold without any extra codecs, you're just speculating that | 09:21 |
| vvaltone | well, yes, anyone likely to know about that is undoubtedly under NDA | 09:22 |
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| sofar | good point :) | 09:22 |
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| xtingray | I support .ogv... but I do it using ffmpeg... I could make a ogv-only version of my project... but even then, I would need ffmpeg packages for meego... and I guess they never will be official :/ | 09:23 |
| vvaltone | hmm, does the meego-tablet-shell in wayland do anything? | 09:24 |
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| sofar | xtingray: can I ask you why your product *needs* a specific format? | 09:24 |
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| Robot101 | xtingray: if you use gstreamer to handle video then any codecs installed on the device will be available to you | 09:24 |
| Robot101 | as it's modular so you don't need to depend on a specific build for specific codecs - they are loaded as plugins at runtime | 09:25 |
| Robot101 | and can be hardware accelerated on certain devices, etc | 09:25 |
| vvaltone | and cause exciting new bugs due to buggy implementation on others ;P | 09:25 |
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| Robot101 | yes - most vendors gstreamer implementations suck. but you can contract collabora to help with that... :) | 09:26 |
| xtingray | sofar: my product doesn't need an specific format... it allows to export to any video format... but it does it using ffmpeg as dependency... that's all | 09:27 |
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| xtingray | sofar: by the way... my product is not a product really... it's a free software project (gpl-v3) | 09:28 |
| sofar | xtingray: you should just use gstreamer to re-encode | 09:28 |
| sofar | that way you don't depend on the codecs in place | 09:28 |
| sofar | gstreamer will tell you what formats are supported | 09:28 |
| sofar | add codecs and your application will support them right away | 09:29 |
| xtingray | sofar: ok, I will check for the gstreamer api | 09:29 |
| sofar | (if they support encoding) | 09:29 |
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| xtingray | just out of curiosity: Why ffmpeg has legal issues... but gstreamer doesn't? what's the difference? | 09:31 |
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| sofar | you can't remove the mpeg code from ffmpeg, realistically | 09:31 |
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| sofar | gstreamer is written without any codecs in the base package | 09:31 |
| sofar | so you can either add mpeg codecs, or skip them | 09:32 |
| sofar | since ffmpeg is monolithic, no choice | 09:32 |
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| xtingray | sofar: oh! now I got it... (shit!) :( | 09:33 |
| xtingray | sofar: thanks for your help | 09:33 |
| sofar | np | 09:34 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:15 |
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| lbt | o/ | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | how's stuff? | 10:48 |
| lbt | hey there... wb | 10:48 |
| lbt | very frantic few weeks... starting to come together | 10:49 |
| lbt | you? | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | glad to be back hacking, but tanned and relaxed after a week at music festival | 10:50 |
| lbt | only slightly damp at the end! | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | not as bad as in cph, 150mm in cph, 20mm in festival | 10:52 |
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| lbt | I saw a video... wow | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | there were dead rats coming out of toliets, it was that bad :P | 10:53 |
| lbt | ewww | 10:53 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: zombie rats coming out of the toilets? Delicious! | 10:57 |
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| nido | I've installed MeeGo1.2 "1.2 community summer release" (or something like that) for the N900 and installed it on on my N900. I went to package and pressed 'update cache', now it says "finished", and I have no idea what to do. pressing the screen does nothing, only the power button blanks and de-blanks the screen. The lock is working though, if i wait too long i need to unlock it before I see the 'finished' screen. Any ideas? | 12:24 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | hold power button down until it shutsdown | 12:31 |
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| nido | [DarkGUNMAN]: what would be the 'correct' way to update the repositories? this problem is repeats itself every time | 12:34 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | from terminal get root access - su / meego. | 12:35 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | type zypper refresh | 12:35 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | zypper update | 12:35 |
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| nido | thank you | 12:40 |
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| TheBootroo | hello | 12:48 |
| TheBootroo | does the N950 have a Gorilla Glass too ? | 12:48 |
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| TheBootroo | Jaffa: you have one isn't it ? | 12:48 |
| alterego | Does it matter? It's a developer device | 12:48 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: its to know if it is scratchable so yes it matters | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | It has glass. That works. | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: I have one. I have no idea if it's Gorilla glass | 12:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:49 |
| Jaffa | I'm not going to take a set of keys to it to find out | 12:49 |
| TheBootroo | to know if i must get a case or not | 12:49 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: lol | 12:49 |
| alterego | I'd get a case a anyway, if you plan on using it day-to-ay | 12:49 |
| * X-Fade uses 770 pouch :) | 12:49 | |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: and the case is real alu ? so not too scratchable | 12:49 |
| alterego | Or just be careful with it. | 12:49 |
| alterego | It's plastic | 12:49 |
| alterego | I think the only aluminium is the back. | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: plastic ? where? | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | alterego: it is not. | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: ? | 12:50 |
| alterego | X-Fade: it's all alu? | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: i hope | 12:50 |
| alterego | (and panda glass)? | 12:50 |
| * alterego chuckles | 12:50 | |
| TheBootroo | alu = most sexiest phone ever and more robust | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Painted aluminium => scratches show up very quickly | 12:51 |
| alterego | Scratchable, I'll probably use the 770 sleeve like X-Fade | 12:51 |
| alterego | Jaffa: especially when it's black ;) | 12:51 |
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| TheBootroo | alterego: you just to scratch carefully all the surface | 12:51 |
| alterego | The N800 sleeve is somewhat, erm, frayed, and the N810 one is a bit Ghey. | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Good thing about that is that it polishes the screen when in your pocket :) | 12:51 |
| TheBootroo | to get the MPB-like grayish alu case | 12:52 |
| alterego | X-Fade: neat :) | 12:52 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: not a nice thing to do when you return it to Nokia | 12:52 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: lol yes | 12:52 |
| alterego | You have to remember, it's not _yours_ .. | 12:53 |
| alterego | It's still Nokia property and they may want it back. | 12:53 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: on some screenshots of N950, we can see facebook intergration and rss reader, so they are in the devkit ? i want to be sure because some blogs says N950 come with twitter only | 12:53 |
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| TheBootroo | alterego: i would pay 700€ for it without an hesitation | 12:54 |
| alterego | pfft, I wouldn't :D | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: my N900 really need to rest in peace | 12:54 |
| alterego | I'd pay 400 maybe a bit higher. | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: and the N9 can't really replace it | 12:54 |
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| alterego | I'd prefer an N9 to an N950 | 12:55 |
| alterego | And keep an N900 as a companion device. | 12:55 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: some says we get an old version of N9 OS on the N950, but i think its more the current N9 OS + some dev programs no? because on developer.nokia.Ccom we can see an update from 22 june so not that old.... | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: n9 has nice screen but that's all | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | N950 design is far better | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | slider 4 rows QWERTY = inlove | 12:57 |
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| alterego | Meh | 12:57 |
| TheBootroo | only thing missing (on both though) = HDMI | 12:57 |
| alterego | I'd prefer the more up-to-date better supported hardware with more features. | 12:57 |
| alterego | Over the 4 row keyboard, | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: N950 image on the dev kits is 1.2011.22-6. It has Facebook integration, CalDAV & Mail for Exchange | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: It has no Twitter or Google Talk | 12:57 |
| alterego | For "serious" typing I have an external bluetooth keyboard, or the N900 | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: See http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: hardware is not that old, and meego unlike android doesn't need 2GHZ dualcore + 2GB ram to run smoothly | 12:58 |
| azeem_ | do the N950/N9 have a terminal emulator by default again? | 12:58 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: I never said it was old, I said the N9 is more up-to-date | 12:58 |
| alterego | It'll be better supported | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: for me most important is Google Mail, Calendar and Reader Sync | 12:58 |
| alterego | And it has NFC | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | azeem_: when you enable the 'developer mode' switch in settings. | 12:58 |
| azeem_ | k | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: N9 and N950 have same platform | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | azeem_: it will then install things like terminal and ssh. | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | only the case changes | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | and the screen | 12:59 |
| azeem_ | X-Fade: I guess that switch will dissappear in the final N9 | 12:59 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: RSS feeds are present. I haven't tested them. | 12:59 |
| * alterego sighs | 12:59 | |
| X-Fade | TheBootroo: And camera, nfc etc etc etc :) | 12:59 |
| azeem_ | TheBootroo: and the NFC, and some sensors are less exact, no? | 12:59 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Google Mail works well over IMAP, though IMAP IDLE doesn't. Google Calendar works very well, as described in that wiki pag | 13:00 |
| azeem_ | still, I'd buy an N950 if I could | 13:00 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: I want better camera and NFC, I'll keep my N900 for ssh | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | azeem_: camera is bigger and better on N950 (only maybe not the software driver) | 13:00 |
| alterego | I'd prefer an N9 to an N950 | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | azeem_: Don't know, it should not. | 13:00 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: rubbish | 13:00 |
| Jaffa | azeem_: The image on the N950 doesn't have a "Developer Mode" setting. It has Terminal & Energy Profiler by default. | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | i don't care about NFC | 13:00 |
| azeem_ | I wouldn't like to carry around my N900 just for typing | 13:00 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I'd love it if I could use an N9 with the contactless payments in Boots when I'm buying my lunch | 13:00 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: well good for you, I don't care what you don't care about .. | 13:00 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: exactly :) | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: i know there is RSS reader but can it sync with Google Reader or will i need to port my own rss reader ? | 13:01 |
| alterego | I think this year and next year everyone will go NFC | 13:01 |
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| alterego | When Tesco go NFC, I'll be happy. | 13:01 |
| * alterego can imagine getting reciepts downloaded straight to his phone. | 13:01 | |
| X-Fade | It is funny that NFC is now hot, but it has been here for a looong time :) | 13:01 |
| alterego | X-Fade: yeah, I know, weird isn't it .. | 13:01 |
| alterego | I remember hearing about it probably 8 years ago. | 13:01 |
| slaine | We've been using RFID in our devices here for 8 years or so | 13:02 |
| alterego | Maybe 6 years .. | 13:02 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: I haven't seen anything in this image about syncing with Google Reader. No idea if later images do - I suggest you ask a Nokian | 13:02 |
| Ans5i1 | geocaching with nfc could be fun | 13:02 |
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| slaine | What's the process with Launchpad applications. Seeing as most of the people that I've seen comment have got no acknowledgement reply, do we just wait for Nokia to contact us and sort out shipping or is there some sort of further review process happening after that acceptance ? | 13:03 |
| TheBootroo | slaine: i was wondering the same | 13:04 |
| alterego | slaine: we're just waiting | 13:04 |
| TheBootroo | since we already ahve been selected and our apps reviewed, will nokie do it again or just send us the device ? | 13:05 |
| alterego | slaine: they'll process our applications sooner or later, they're probably sifting through thousands of applications. | 13:05 |
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| TheBootroo | and we are not their priority | 13:05 |
| slaine | alterego: ego right. All the nokia developer requests are going through the one place, not just the meego ones | 13:05 |
| alterego | slaine: indeed. | 13:06 |
| slaine | didn't think of that. Ok that's cool, so it is just a case of sit tight and not that I've screwed anything up :) | 13:06 |
| alterego | slaine: I was hoping we'd get priority, as we, like you said, have already been pre-approved, but if that were the case, I'd expect some news by now. | 13:06 |
| slaine | Also a holiday weekend in the states. not sure how much impact that would have on the process | 13:08 |
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| alterego | None :P | 13:17 |
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| jotik_work_ | !cal imbi | 13:34 |
| jotik_work_ | sry, vale kanal | 13:34 |
| jotik_work_ | (wrong channel) | 13:34 |
| iekku | jotik_work_, estonia? | 13:35 |
| jotik_work_ | iekku: yes | 13:35 |
| iekku | jotik_work_, so close to finnish but the meaning bit different :) | 13:35 |
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| jotik_work_ | iekku: what does it mean in finnish? | 13:37 |
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| fatal_ | vale = lie | 13:37 |
| jotik_work | hehe | 13:38 |
| fatal_ | "a lie", to be precise | 13:38 |
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| jotik_work | well, in estonian "vale" is also "a lie", but it "vale <something>" usually means "wrong <something>" | 13:39 |
| fatal- | "väärä" | 13:39 |
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| jotik_work | estonian also has "väär" with this meaning. | 13:40 |
| fatal- | ok, so same words but the usage has diverged a bit | 13:41 |
| iekku | it's like "ilma" | 13:42 |
| iekku | in finnish it's weather, but it's also but in the car's tyres | 13:43 |
| iekku | but? put | 13:43 |
| jotik_work | "ilm" in estonian is "weather" or ~"world" ("maailm") in english. | 13:43 |
| jotik_work | yet, some words in estonian have very different meaning in finnish, some even profane. | 13:44 |
| visz | hawk | 13:51 |
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| TheBootroo | could people vote for this bug : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCOMPONENTS-864 | 14:03 |
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| TheBootroo | i'm currently trying the N950 under RDA | 14:49 |
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| TheBootroo | it's slow as hell but however less than under Qemu, and UI is magically beautifull | 14:50 |
| TheBootroo | swipe under the java remote screen is a real pain in the ass | 14:50 |
| TheBootroo | i really miss the N900 maemo 5 home button in UX | 14:51 |
| TheBootroo | i'm going to do a quick and dirty hack to get it back under harmattan | 14:51 |
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| Parslee | is the n950 keyb clicky or soft? | 14:52 |
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| TheBootroo | Parslee: clicky like N900 | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | but keys are chicklet like a MBP | 14:52 |
| Parslee | nice | 14:52 |
| slaine | looking forward to getting mine | 14:52 |
| Parslee | How do you know you will get one? | 14:53 |
| TheBootroo | slaine: i'm waiting the shipping info from nokia, my apply was approved by meego comiee | 14:53 |
| slaine | TheBootroo: same here | 14:53 |
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| slaine | Parslee: I got an email from Nokia to say my application was approved | 14:54 |
| TheBootroo | Parslee: there was the MeeGo Devkit Program : you have a great dev project using Qt, you propose, they review they accept (or not) and you get one of the 250 devices | 14:54 |
| TheBootroo | slaine: i got the email from QGil but not the one from nokia | 14:54 |
| slaine | same | 14:54 |
| TheBootroo | not yet | 14:54 |
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| TheBootroo | can't wait | 14:55 |
| TheBootroo | :D | 14:55 |
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| TheBootroo | Jaffa: is accuweahter app present on n950 ? | 14:56 |
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| TheBootroo | best weather app ever | 14:56 |
| Parslee | I want to find the person who decided to kill the n950 and hurr them | 14:56 |
| TheBootroo | i had an old version on my 5800XM, and NOTHING compared to this on my N900 | 14:57 |
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| TheBootroo | Parslee: try to start by firing Stephen Flopon its burning plateform | 14:57 |
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| Parslee | Firing him into the sun maybe | 14:57 |
| TheBootroo | no | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | too close from us | 14:58 |
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| TheBootroo | and rejections in atmospher could be letal to local fauna and flora... | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | better in a very far star, or some vortex | 14:59 |
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| arfoll | I just installed OBS on ubuntu 11.04 and I can't get my oscrc file to work, i keep getting 401s. any ideas? | 15:01 |
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| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Not in 1.2011.22-6, no | 15:01 |
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| TheBootroo | Jaffa: too bad | 15:01 |
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| TheBootroo | Jaffa: i hope the access to ovi store will be open on N950 | 15:02 |
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| Jaffa | TheBootroo: The Store isn't open yet, even on the N9 prototypes | 15:03 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: apps.meego.com should be ready "soon" though | 15:03 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa i know | 15:03 |
| TheBootroo | that why i said 'will be' | 15:03 |
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| niala | hello meego | 15:04 |
| TheBootroo | in fact i hope the N950 just don't comme with some things out of the box but allow to put them on at hands | 15:05 |
| TheBootroo | i hope they will not block voluntary some things | 15:05 |
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| Jaffa | I can't imagine why they would | 15:05 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: o rly ? | 15:06 |
| TheBootroo | with a tyran like S. Flop at the head, every(bad)thing is possible | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | S. Flop, the M$ $h1ll? | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | I don't think a) that's sensible or b) something he'd be involved in micro-managing. | 15:08 |
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| Jaffa | One doesn't need to make up a silly name for him to realise his strategy is one we disagree with | 15:08 |
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| TheBootroo | Jaffa: he is silly one so we can be a little silly against him too | 15:11 |
| TheBootroo | he don't make flops | 15:11 |
| TheBootroo | he IS Flop | 15:11 |
| TheBootroo | i think he just has lost his additional bar to the bottom of the E when he jumped out from the burning platform onto an unfinished stone ground.... | 15:12 |
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| TheBootroo | kinda broken leg | 15:12 |
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| TheBootroo | :X | 15:12 |
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| RST38h | As much as a dislike the Elop character... | 15:13 |
| RST38h | s/a/I | 15:13 |
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| TheBootroo | RST38h: what the hell do you make here on meego if you agree his strategy ? | 15:13 |
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| arfoll | any help on my osc error? http://pastebin.com/tpCpTtrk | 15:14 |
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| arfoll | i can login fine with the same passwd using a browser on api.meego.com | 15:14 |
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| Murring | quim. Any chance to send out a few hundred more n950s? | 15:24 |
| TheBootroo | Murring: not from MeeGO.com | 15:25 |
| TheBootroo | only on developer.nokia.com so it don't depends on somebody here | 15:26 |
| Murring | how about öeego on the new motorola | 15:26 |
| Murring | Meego | 15:26 |
| Murring | Nice kbd | 15:27 |
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| Murring | Omap4 | 15:28 |
| RST38h | Perfect, you do it. | 15:28 |
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| TheBootroo | my father want me to potr meego on the N8, i said him: go better buy a N9 | 15:32 |
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| Parslee | needs a keyboard | 15:34 |
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| TheBootroo | Parslee: yes | 15:39 |
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| TheBootroo | Parslee: but for some1 who have the N8, the N9 fits perfectly | 15:39 |
| TheBootroo | but for some1 who have a N900 or E7 the N950 is ebtter | 15:40 |
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| iekku | TheBootroo, sad that N950 isn't going to be on sale | 15:43 |
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| TheBootroo | iekku: i'm gonna get one | 15:45 |
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| iekku | lucky one! | 15:45 |
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| bkalinga | when i use sudo mic-chroot i land in root console and i can run startmeego from there | 15:47 |
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| bkalinga | but when i change the user to 'meego" i can not run startmeego? | 15:48 |
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| TheBootroo | bkalinga: startmeego script needs root access | 15:49 |
| slaine | iirc, it switches to the meego user during that process | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo | just like xstart or xinit | 15:49 |
| slaine | at least, that's what uxlaunch used to do | 15:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | used to? | 15:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | doesn't it do that anymore? | 15:50 |
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| bkalinga | TheBootroo: But the problem is i want to run im-uiserver from meego console not from root console | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo_N900: uxlaunch is no more used i beleive | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo | bkalinga: just change user after having startmeego | 15:51 |
| TheBootroo | but im not sure im-server can run in usermode | 15:52 |
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| reblife | Hello, Is there any methods to run IVI 1.2 on Intel N450 devboard? | 15:53 |
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| reblife | When I execute the glxinfo, it prints "Error: enable to open display" | 15:54 |
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| iekku | TheBootroo, my proposal for n950 was rejected | 15:58 |
| TheBootroo | iekku: sorry | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | iekku: What was it about? Mine too. | 15:58 |
| iekku | asked it for n900 ce related work (i'm error manager on the project) | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - yes. | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | My proposal was similar in that it was not directly n9 app related. | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I think very few got 'platform' devices | 15:59 |
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| Venemo_N900 | TheBootroo, what is used instead? | 16:02 |
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| TheBootroo | Venemo_N900: i dunno | 16:03 |
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| w00t | SpeedEvil: yeah, seems that way | 16:07 |
| * w00t got quite lucky | 16:07 | |
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| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil, it has been said that these are mostly aimed at app devs. | 16:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil, still, I'm sorry for you | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I was going to get my qt and .. up to speed, to try to get apps released too. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | But - now other things are getting priority unfortunately. | 16:09 |
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| Parslee | has meego voice recognization? | 16:12 |
| TheBootroo | Parslee: it seems the N9 has voice dialing | 16:13 |
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| lbt | thiago: ping | 16:15 |
| TheBootroo | Parslee: on this page http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications we can see 'voice dialing' | 16:16 |
| Elleo | Parslee: there's also the gstreamer pocketsphinx plugins if you want to do your own speech recognition stuff | 16:16 |
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| Parslee | ty | 16:17 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: what comes in the N950 package in terms of accessories and cables ? | 16:17 |
| Parslee | How about voice chat ims | 16:17 |
| Parslee | Like irc | 16:17 |
| TheBootroo | dunno | 16:17 |
| TheBootroo | i don't think | 16:18 |
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| Elleo | Parslee: I wouldn't hold your breath for any sort of continuous dictation | 16:18 |
| Parslee | So you can hands free chat with driends online | 16:18 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: http://twitpic.com/jaffa2 | 16:18 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: The photo you were looking for no longer exists | 16:18 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: and my proxy blocks twit* | 16:19 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: post on hostingpics.net (imgshack blocked too) | 16:19 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Well, I'm not reposting the photo I posted last week. But you get a USB cable, an N950 and a quick start guide | 16:20 |
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| TheBootroo | Jaffa: pretty few compared to what a N900/N8/N9 comes with | 16:21 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Yes, it's a devkit ;-) | 16:21 |
| TheBootroo | that said, n950 has only a USB potr | 16:21 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: i could ahve thought devs need even more accesories than normal people | 16:21 |
| thiago | lbt: pong | 16:21 |
| slaine | I know Stephen Elop is the "bad guy" around here. But he's performed really well on that All Things D 9 interview that MeeGoExperts has hon his site | 16:22 |
| slaine | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nokia%E2%80%99s-stephen-elop-interviewed-digital-video/ | 16:22 |
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| TheBootroo | rubbish. period | 16:23 |
| Parslee | ty | 16:23 |
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| Parslee | Ttyl! Get meego on another phone please! | 16:24 |
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| lbt | thiago: msg'ed you | 16:33 |
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| dalton | Hi, Im studying embedded linux and want to start with meego + beagle board... Is there some problem with this "pair"? Can anyone tell me some tips where I find good steps to start? | 18:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can't do that. | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically would be the first problem. | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: well, not entirely true | 18:15 |
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| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil, why not? | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | At least legally. Maemo is comprised of lots of closed bunaries, which are not licenced to run on non-nokia hardware. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: he said meego | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I read that twice. | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It said maemo. | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh. | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Please ignore me. | 18:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps, umm, who is talking Maemo? | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | dalton: there is a wiki page on wiki.meego.com regarding beagleboard | 18:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | heh | 18:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil :P | 18:16 |
| spenap | dalton, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch | 18:17 |
| spenap | but it tells that it's not working anymore | 18:17 |
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| Parslee | hi | 18:19 |
| Parslee | hp | 18:19 |
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| dalton | thanks for answers, I was already reading that page, but, as spenap told, there tells that its not working and this "Currently, the only exception is the n900, which is supported by nokia with matching closed source drivers. " | 18:28 |
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| Jaffa | Yay, added Harmattan Community OBS install instructions to http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Into_Harmattan | 18:33 |
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| dm8tbr | Jaffa: target available? cool! | 18:34 |
| w00t | Jaffa: \o/ | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24984#post24984 :-) | 18:36 |
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| alterego | woo :) | 18:44 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: How did you add the Harmattan repo to your OBS to build for it? | 18:45 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: Go to your project's Overview. Click Advanced > Raw config and paste in the relevant lines from https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Ajaffa | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Once X-Fade's finished it up, it'll be selected like any other repository | 18:48 |
| dalton | #beagleboard | 18:48 |
| the-boss | dalton: Error: "beagleboard" is not a valid command. | 18:48 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: Sweet, thanks | 18:51 |
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| fiferboy | Now I have to figure out how to add multiple source files for the same package and exclude building from certain repositories | 18:54 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Basically, it seems that a given package can only contain a single version | 18:56 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: For Debian that means foo_1.0.0.dsc pointing to one of: foo_1.0.0.tar.gz, foo_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz & foo_1.0.0.diff.gz, foo_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz & foo_1.0.0.debian.tar.gz | 18:56 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: Annoyingly, incrementing the version becomes a case of 'osc rm'ing the old version and 'osc add'ing the new version. | 18:57 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: I usually use the web interface, but I see the options for that | 18:58 |
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| twoboxen | Anyone received the n9 dev kit yet? | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | twoboxen: A number of people have | 19:02 |
| twoboxen | Anyone in the US? | 19:02 |
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| Jaffa | No idea | 19:05 |
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| fiferboy | twoboxen: Apparently someone in the US just got an email about it, but hasn't received it | 19:06 |
| twoboxen | fiferboy: Interesting... I was in batch one, and I haven't seen any emails back (acknowledgement, shipment, etc) | 19:07 |
| fiferboy | twoboxen: Many others (me included) in the same boat | 19:08 |
| fiferboy | Looks like they are just getting the process rolling, hopefully things speed up tomorrow | 19:08 |
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| Jaffa | Woohoo, Attitude just updated over Harmattan COBS repository :-) | 19:10 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: Nice! Soon you'll get more apps to play with | 19:11 |
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| twoboxen | Jaffa: do you find yourself ever using the virtual kbd? Or are you always sitting with the kbd open? | 19:11 |
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| Jaffa | twoboxen: I try to use it as much as possible, to see if I could cope with an N9 | 19:12 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: And your verdict? | 19:12 |
| twoboxen | Jaffa: yeah, that was basically my question. When they take the n950s back, I don't know what I will do | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | twoboxen: When doing hacking (e.g. random shell scripts to organise something or generate an m3u playlist) or SSHing, I use the physical kb. | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | Otherwise the VKB is alright. | 19:13 |
| Jaffa | Definitely not as good as the iPad because of the small size | 19:13 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: What is the current state of mud2? | 19:13 |
| twoboxen | Jaffa: I actually hate the iPad vkbd :) I have a btkbd for that reason. I just like emailing on hwkbd... and definitely any vim/ssh/etc | 19:14 |
| fiferboy | If I have a source archive do I have to prepare it in any way for Harmattan? | 19:14 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: It'll take a qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan and give you three files suitable for uploading to OBS | 19:14 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: It's designed - unlike the first mud - for taking you from SDK -> OBS | 19:15 |
| Jaffa | Well, its aim (ATM) | 19:15 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: So I will have to massage things to some extent to keep Fremantle support? | 19:15 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: If you're doing Fremantle support from Qt Creator, it will (by the end of this evening) also handle producing files suitable for the maemo.org autobuilder | 19:16 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: Currently, for Attitude, I'm using the same debian/ files effectively for Harmattan & Fremantle | 19:17 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: So a Fremantle autobuilder upload *should* go straight into the OBS withut problem (modulo build-depends etc) | 19:17 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: So you are using qtc_packaging for both Harmattan and Fremantle? | 19:17 |
| fiferboy | My Fremantle packages never used those before | 19:18 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: Yeah, this version of Attitude is entirely written in Qt Creator, which creates qtc_packaging to contain debian_fremantle and debian_harmattan. But I've got symlinks between most of debian_harmattan to debian_fremantle. | 19:18 |
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| Stskeeps | qtc_packaging? | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: It's a directory created by Qt Creator to put all your packaging in. | 19:19 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Cool. I am not quite ready for packaging Harmattan yet, but I will be soon | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | did you know you can make combined spec and deb in one obs package? | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | Yes | 19:20 |
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| Jaffa | Which is what mud2 will be doing. | 19:20 |
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| Jaffa | And, once all the -fu, is setup: MeeGo spec for RPM, Harmattan deb and Fremantle deb :-) | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | could be nice if qt creator could too | 19:21 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Given source output is an afterthought for the Qt & MeeGo SDKs, I wouldn't hold my breath. | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | Moo. | 19:44 |
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| thp | Jaffa: so, how do i add harmattan as target to my cobs projects? | 19:53 |
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| timoph | X-Fade: ping | 19:56 |
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| timoph | thp: go to your home project -> repositories -> add -> advanced -> start typing 'harmattan' | 19:58 |
| timoph | the correct one gets autocompleted | 19:59 |
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| timoph | hmmh. something missing there.. | 20:00 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Copy the Harmattan lines into your own project's Advanced > Raw Config: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Ajaffa | 20:02 |
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| thp | Jaffa, timoph: thanks | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | timoph: Ooh, really? Cool. | 20:15 |
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| timoph | Jaffa: didn't work as expected :/ | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | timoph: No, I think you'd have to select armv7el and untick it586 | 20:16 |
| timoph | ah | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | Based on what I put in the raw config to get it to work: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=25005#post25005 | 20:17 |
| timoph | yeah. I added it by 'osc meta -e prj' | 20:17 |
| hiemanshu | timoph: so you are accepted into launchpad as well but no email correct | 20:17 |
| timoph | hiemanshu: yep | 20:17 |
| hiemanshu | timoph: so thats 3 of us so far | 20:18 |
| hiemanshu | (from what I know) | 20:18 |
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| timoph | I'd guess there's more but those others have more patience :) | 20:19 |
| iekku | timoph, o/ | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | timoph: Let me know your repository when it's up and running. Attitude's development repo is http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/jaffa/Harmattan | 20:21 |
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| timoph | Jaffa: ok. I'll try to add debian stuff into mine and see if it works (home:timoph) | 20:22 |
| timoph | iekku: o/ | 20:22 |
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| thp | X-Fade: Harmattan OBS says "Nothing provides python-feedparser", but it's in the (Nokia) harmattan repos - can you do something about that? :) | 20:28 |
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| timoph | oh. it started building. let's see hot it fails :) | 20:29 |
| timoph | s/hot/how/ | 20:29 |
| infobot | timoph meant: oh. it started building. let's see how it fails :) | 20:30 |
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| CosmoHill | meltdown? | 20:31 |
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| timoph | failed beautifully - kernel panic in the build machine :) | 20:49 |
| CosmoHill | my cluster at uni is failing | 20:49 |
| CosmoHill | the submission date was 25 hours before the start and end date when is failed | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | which in turn was 4 hours in the future | 20:50 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: Do you remember how you got the toolbar to hide? | 21:19 |
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| fiferboy | "showToolBar: false" on the PageStackWindow doesn't look to work | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Yep, you have two options. 1) Raw QML/Qt, show your app fullscreen. 2) Using Qt Quick Components, show fullscreen and have showToolBar: false in your PageStackWindow | 21:20 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: You need to be fullscreen | 21:20 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: Surely that must be an oversight - I want a windowed app and have no use for the toolbar | 21:21 |
| wazd | fiferboy: o/ | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | Hey wazd | 21:21 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: aha, got you. Are you allowed to make screenshots? :P | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Have you done much QML layout yet? | 21:22 |
| wazd | fiferboy: not quite, but I got used to harmattan UI :) | 21:22 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: Don't see why not | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | wazd: What do you think of my Harmattan icons on http://andrew.olmsted.ca/meego | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: You can showStausBar: true ;-) | 21:23 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: can you take a shot of harmattan contacts and mesages please? And mail them to drew.zhilin[at]gmail.com :) | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Ah. So show fullscreen removes the toolbar and statusbar, and then I add statusbar back in? | 21:24 |
| thp | fiferboy: statusbar and toolbare are drawn inside your window all the time | 21:25 |
| thp | fiferboy: they are drawn using some QML elements "around" your UI (page stack window, etc..) | 21:25 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I'm working on social networks aggregator UI design and want to make it as native as possible, but I can't find enough shots to work with on the internets :( | 21:25 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: thp: So how do I make my window fullscreen? | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | Doesn't appear in PageStackWindow or Window | 21:26 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: In main.cpp, viewer.showFullscreeen() | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Thank you! | 21:27 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: looks nice :) | 21:27 |
| wazd | Jaffa: http://i011.radikal.ru/1107/3e/9b1af5d87487.png :) | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | wazd: You have the same friends as me! | 21:28 |
| thp | fiferboy: showFullscreen()? | 21:29 |
| thp | oh, yeah. what jaffa said. without that extraneous e | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | thp: Thanks, I wasn't looking at main.cpp :) | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | I like the "three-e" version best | 21:29 |
| thp | wazd: angelina jolie is online! | 21:29 |
| wazd | fiferboy: :P | 21:29 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: oh, I forgot, not contact list but contact details. That would be super-awesome | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Three screenshots incoming | 21:32 |
| wazd | Jaffa: thanks a lot :) | 21:33 |
| Jaffa | wazd: ...if I can work out where the screenshot widget has put them | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I'm still waiting on a device to get my UI prototypes together. . . | 21:39 |
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| w00t | aren't we all | 21:41 |
| * w00t f5's launchpad url | 21:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, except for two of us. | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | (The bastards.) | 21:41 |
| w00t | haha | 21:41 |
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| wazd | heh :) | 21:41 |
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| Jaffa | Yup | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: wazd: I'm struggling through with qemu in Linux :( | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | None of the native applications will open for me in QEMU | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I gave up. | 21:42 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You aren't designing the native apps, what do you need them for? | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | To get a feel for the UI paradigms. | 21:42 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Screenshots | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not good enough. | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not enough of them. | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Bug Jaffa for specific ones :) | 21:43 |
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| Jaffa | :-p | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Get a basic layout and functionality and then optimize when you have your device | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sort of halfway there, but testing in QEMU makes me want to die. | 21:44 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: As long as you don't need to actually click on anything, and can wait two minutes for the startup, and can forgive the weird artifacting, you're good | 21:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Qt Quick has been released with Qt 4.7. Companies use it to build user interfaces (UIs) for set-top boxes, tablet devices, in-vehicle infotainment systems, e-readers or mobile phones. Many more companies seriously evaluate Qt Quick. Such an interest is quite amazing for a new and unproven technology, so Qt Quick must have hit a nerve – or actually a couple of nerves." | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way that was written by a native speaker. | 21:47 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Probably machine-generated | 21:49 |
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| wazd | Created with QArticle component :) | 21:50 |
| berndhs | maybe the nerve it hit was the announcement that there won't be anything else :) | 21:50 |
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| Jaffa | Random QML question - if an element is anchors.fill: parent, is also rotated and a child asks for parent.width - what does it get? | 21:51 |
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| berndhs | what you *should* get is the parent width, independent on how the child is oriented | 21:53 |
| wazd | Jaffa: thanks a lot again | 21:55 |
| wazd | DEVELOPER EDITION | 21:57 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: Is there a way of getting the visible width? | 21:57 |
| Jaffa | wazd: :) | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Nokia Developers Library browser is completely messed up in WebKit. | 21:59 |
| berndhs | Jaffa: no idea, maybe there is a bounding-box kind of thing somewhere | 22:00 |
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| Jaffa | berndhs: Yeah. I'll start googling | 22:05 |
| berndhs | what does it mean though for a child to fill the parent, and rotate within it ? | 22:06 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: No idea - what I'm seeing is confusing the hell out of me ;-) | 22:06 |
| * Jaffa 's code was designed for landscape, but since landscape orientation lock doesn't work in Harmattan's task switcher, I thought I'd be smart and rotate the window 90 def. | 22:06 | |
| Jaffa | Oooh, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qml-boundingbox.html looks cool for Proximus and geofencing | 22:07 |
| Jaffa | But not too great | 22:07 |
| berndhs | i can see that, but say the rotate is 30 degrees and you want to fill, how would that work | 22:07 |
| berndhs | i suppose for 90 deg, you could just set width=parent.height and height=parent.width | 22:09 |
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| Jaffa | berndhs: Yeah, might be the way to go | 22:09 |
| berndhs | kinda pedestrian, but might work | 22:10 |
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| luist | any rsync server for meego 1.2 releases and updates?? | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | rsync.kernel.org | 23:12 |
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| luist | Stskeeps: how do i find what i want there -.- | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | want where? | 23:43 |
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| luist | Stskeeps: the specific rsync server i want | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/mirrors/meego/ | 23:49 |
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| luist | Stskeeps: rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.2 ? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | follows same structure as repo.meego.com | 23:50 |
| luist | Stskeeps: ok thanks | 23:51 |
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