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| berndhs | I'll probably feel more optimistic if I eat something | 03:42 |
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| sofar | ugh someone kicked off a world rebuild | 05:43 |
| berndhs | wasn't me, at least that I know of :) | 05:46 |
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| antman8969 | so has anyone dealt with the qt-components project at all? | 05:59 |
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| GAN900 | antman8969, in the Qt SDK, not the Nokians. | 06:05 |
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| antman8969 | lol I actually don't quite understand that statement. You've tried it using the SDK? | 06:07 |
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| GAN900 | Yes. | 06:07 |
| antman8969 | using the meego touch stuff as well? | 06:08 |
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| GAN900 | I haven't delt with the adminstrative part of the project. | 06:08 |
| antman8969 | ah | 06:08 |
| antman8969 | thats fine | 06:08 |
| GAN900 | No MeeGo touch. | 06:08 |
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| antman8969 | I couldn't get it running on my system so I couldn't test anything. Does the plain qt-components part give off a "native" look and feel? | 06:09 |
| antman8969 | across platforms | 06:10 |
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| GAN900 | On Harmattan | 06:12 |
| GAN900 | Not across platforms as far as I know. | 06:12 |
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| antman8969 | But we are expected to use it when developing for harmattan, correct? | 06:12 |
| antman8969 | what I'm getting at is... I feel like this QML interface implementation is going to cause a lot of cross platform problems for anyone who wants a native look and feel for their application | 06:13 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah, well, Intel went and developed their shit behind the wall | 06:16 |
| GAN900 | and Nokia closed their open shit to hide their UI developments. | 06:16 |
| GAN900 | End point is devs being screwed. | 06:16 |
| antman8969 | great! | 06:17 |
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| antman8969 | on a lesser note, you said you played around with qt-components a bit. I"m assuming from the git repo? | 06:18 |
| antman8969 | It's all using qtquick 1.1.... did you also download that from the 4.8 snapshot? | 06:18 |
| antman8969 | just testing out the components is such a hassle | 06:18 |
| berndhs | does the qt-component stuff from git build on anything publicly available ? | 06:18 |
| antman8969 | lol is it understood that is isnt? I have on idea, I couldn't get it to build on lucid.... | 06:19 |
| antman8969 | and there are a few bloggers with screen shots up so I'm not sure.. | 06:19 |
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| berndhs | im sure the developers can build it, but i dont know what they use for hosts | 06:20 |
| berndhs | and i dont really trust bloggers :) | 06:20 |
| antman8969 | lol | 06:20 |
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| antman8969 | I had hoped to get it up and running so that I can experiment a little | 06:21 |
| antman8969 | have everything ready long before n9 launches.. | 06:21 |
| antman8969 | if I indeed do need to code my ui in QML that is | 06:21 |
| berndhs | i try every couple weeks or so to build it, but both the git and my system keep changing | 06:21 |
| berndhs | there are some issues even with the 4.7.2 stuff and gcc 4.6 I think | 06:22 |
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| berndhs | but i cant isolate it enough for decent bug reports | 06:23 |
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| antman8969 | what are you doing (in terms of UI) in the mean time? | 06:24 |
| berndhs | i use basic qml, make my own buttons | 06:24 |
| berndhs | i dont have earth shakingly complex guis, so its not a big deal | 06:24 |
| berndhs | but i'm sure the purists will say i', doing it wrong :) | 06:25 |
| antman8969 | I've done the same, but it clearly isn't native... uneasy about continueing development thinking that I'll have to replace all of my components | 06:25 |
| berndhs | oh yes, my stuff is purely my own brand, doesnt fit with anything | 06:26 |
| antman8969 | lol | 06:26 |
| berndhs | but I'm not going to make any money off it, so why should i make it look like Nokia wrote it | 06:27 |
| berndhs | or HTC or somebody else | 06:27 |
| antman8969 | lol good point | 06:27 |
| sofar | screenshot or it didn't happen ;) | 06:27 |
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| berndhs | cant get mic to work :( | 06:45 |
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| Termana | morning | 06:55 |
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| berndhs | almost, 1 more minute | 06:58 |
| berndhs | ah well, so I'll have bad dreams, so what | 07:08 |
| berndhs | good night | 07:09 |
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| iekku | morning | 08:40 |
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| TheBootroo | from what i can read here http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html | 08:56 |
| TheBootroo | N950 software will be really buggy | 08:56 |
| TheBootroo | missing programs, missing icons, unfinished theme, drain battery problems, echo in calls, performance optimization not done yet | 08:57 |
| TheBootroo | so the question is : is there any updated to come ? | 08:57 |
| vvaltone | you mean running MeeGo handset on it? | 08:59 |
| TheBootroo | no | 09:00 |
| vvaltone | or the trademark bastardized maemo? | 09:00 |
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| TheBootroo | i talk about official software that the N950 comes with | 09:00 |
| vvaltone | yeah, ok, so maemo | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | i talk about maemo6/meego bastard aka harmattan | 09:00 |
| iekku | where was the list of the people, getting N950? | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | iekku on the wiki | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | i'm in | 09:00 |
| iekku | really? | 09:01 |
| iekku | TheBootroo, nice :D | 09:01 |
| iekku | i was trying to find the url, but got it already | 09:01 |
| TheBootroo | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#Accepted | 09:01 |
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| iekku | TheBootroo, thanks! | 09:08 |
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| TheBootroo | i started a blog about N950 and will fill it as soon i'll have the device | 09:16 |
| TheBootroo | http://mynokian950.blogspot.com/ | 09:16 |
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| flat` | TheBootroo: nice | 09:19 |
| TheBootroo | flat`: not exactly yet, but it will come | 09:19 |
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| TheBootroo | first post i'll write will likely be a "true or false" Q/A about the N950 (hard and soft), and a photo shot, then a first try of a custom app on the device | 09:23 |
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| Termana | TheBootroo, your suppose to blog about the development process, not about the device | 09:24 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: both in facts | 09:24 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd reread the LLA/PLA before posting too much about the device, as it's not supposed to go on sale | 09:25 |
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| TheBootroo | so i will present the device and separate truth from bullshit, about n9 vs N950, harmattan vs meego, nokia and MS... | 09:25 |
| TheBootroo | and then i'll post dev info as soon i'm progressing | 09:26 |
| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: will not go on sale | 09:26 |
| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: but you have to post about your experience with the device | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | TheBootroo: I'm just saying, there are rules you sign off to get the device, you better actually read and understand them. | 09:27 |
| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: i know i already read them | 09:28 |
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| TheBootroo | i can't put the firmware on the web but i can/must blog about the device to make some ad for nokia harmattan | 09:28 |
| TheBootroo | that's the deal, they need to gain something when giving us the device for free | 09:29 |
| TheBootroo | so free ads on 100's of blog means epic win for them | 09:29 |
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| TheBootroo | i'm looking forward to others future N950 owners blogs | 09:29 |
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| TheBootroo | does someone already received his ? | 09:30 |
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| dm8tbr | those who already had an launchpad account | 09:30 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, plenty of people have N950s at the moment, but only one person who went through the community device program | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: i had and account since 29 jaunuray 2009 | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo | and don't have it yet | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: ok | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: other are beta tester from nokia internal ? | 09:31 |
| dm8tbr | TheBootroo: then you should get it soon, if you put the info on the wiki and replied to that email | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo | like Jaffa .. | 09:32 |
| TheBootroo | so one DevKit applier already received it ? could not be too long for us so.... | 09:32 |
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| TheBootroo | Termana: do you have link to a blog post for that ? | 09:33 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, Jaffa was testing the process for Quim (according to Quim) | 09:33 |
| Termana | Jaffa is the only one through the community device program that has one | 09:33 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: ah ok | 09:33 |
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| Termana | Others got them from a Nokia meetup in Helsinki (AFAIK) | 09:33 |
| Termana | (You can see that some people withdrew from the community device program because of this) | 09:34 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: one day i would like to go in finland for a nokia / qt event | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | dont go in winter, friggen cold | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:35 |
| Termana | You probably won't see any movement in the process until at least Tuesday. | 09:35 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: from photos it seems N950 is a bit thinner than N900 ? is it an optical illusion because of the N950 is larger so seems thinner ? | 09:35 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, :P | 09:35 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, don't have a clue sorry. | 09:36 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: i love cold don't support warmth | 09:36 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: i stayed 1 year in POland | 09:36 |
| TheBootroo | and prefer the winter of poland to the summer in france | 09:36 |
| TheBootroo | i'm better at -20 than at 20 | 09:36 |
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| TheBootroo | ;-) | 09:36 |
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| dm8tbr | polish winter is too wet | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: yes | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo | finland is really dry? | 09:37 |
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| Termana | Gee, I like warmth. On the other hand, I would really like to go to the snow, since it (basically) doesn't snow here | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: yeah snow is cool stuff, i've seen a lot in poland | 09:38 |
| TheBootroo | i'm planning to come living in Finland in 6 or 8 years | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo | do you recommand helsinki as a good home city ? | 09:39 |
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| Termana | TheBootroo, if that's addressed to me (not sure) - I don't live in Finland :p I live in Australia | 09:41 |
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| TheBootroo | Termana: hum ok | 09:42 |
| vvaltone | depends what you want to do here | 09:42 |
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| vvaltone | I think the bulk of it jobs is in the Helsinki area | 09:43 |
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| * dm8tbr prefers to live in Tampere | 09:50 | |
| dm8tbr | the benefits of a fairly large city without the rush and stress of a really large city | 09:50 |
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| mcfrisk | Trying to setup an IMG server here using local obs and repos. Which distro and meego.com repo should I start with? | 09:57 |
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| TheBootroo | fedora | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo | or opensuse | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | rpm based distro | 09:58 |
| mcfrisk | with MINT repo? | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | why MINT ? | 09:58 |
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| mcfrisk | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG seems out dated | 09:59 |
| mcfrisk | and newer img packages are available from http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/MINT:/RC | 09:59 |
| mcfrisk | or are the MINT packages unstable/testing? | 10:00 |
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| TheBootroo | i don't know i dont use mint | 10:02 |
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| mcfrisk | MINT repos were mentioned in http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation | 10:02 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 10:33 |
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| TheBootroo | lo | 10:35 |
| TheBootroo | \o | 10:35 |
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| alterego | g'moaning \o | 10:36 |
| alterego | lcuk: I'm staring at my inbox again ... | 10:37 |
| * alterego snaps out of it and starts doing "proper" work. | 10:37 | |
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| mcfrisk | any reason why img packages only available to opensuse 11.3 in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo:/MeeGo-Infra/ | 10:38 |
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| Venemo | good morning | 10:42 |
| Venemo | alterego, no use, my inbox is still missing that Nokia letter | 10:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:43 |
| lcuk | alterego, lol | 10:43 |
| Venemo | now I'm afraid that I will just get a letter from Quim which says "Haha! April's fool!" | 10:44 |
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| Venemo | but it's not april, so... | 10:44 |
| lcuk | not at all Venemo, you have done the best you can on applications and your skills are very useful :) | 10:44 |
| Venemo | thank you lcuk :) | 10:45 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I wouldn't have been able to do all that without helpful and kind people like you :) | 10:45 |
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| alterego | It'll be nice to be able to have gcc on the N950 .. | 10:49 |
| iekku | i didn't get the device :( | 10:50 |
| lcuk | alterego, it should work nicely on there | 10:50 |
| Venemo | hm, new mail | 10:50 |
| Venemo | but not from Nokia :( | 10:50 |
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| Venemo | Thought for the day: "Always be kind, for everyone is fighting a hard battle." - Plato | 10:51 |
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| TheBootroo | how can we track the avancement of the shiping process ? since devkit N950 is closed on both meego.com and dev.nokia where can we have information of our applying status ? | 10:52 |
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| alterego | TheBootroo: you should get email notifications | 10:54 |
| alterego | Like the rest of us. | 10:54 |
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| alterego | If you don't hear anything, and at least 20 other people have ordered their devices, then start to worry. | 10:55 |
| lbt | X-Fade: pin | 10:57 |
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| TheBootroo | alterego: ihave already activated my lauchpad | 11:00 |
| TheBootroo | but get no return about the shipping status | 11:00 |
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| alterego | Oh, well, you're on your own then. | 11:00 |
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| TheBootroo | and i can't find the email from nokia in my gmail archives | 11:01 |
| TheBootroo | can you give me the subject to see if i get it | 11:01 |
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| alterego | Not on this phone no | 11:02 |
| alterego | Sorry, someone mentioned the subject in the forum thread on f.m.c | 11:02 |
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| TheBootroo | what afraids me is that in my account settignsd i have 'no programs" in the "My programs" section | 11:04 |
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| TheBootroo | does it mean my subscription failed or was aproved yet or nokia already sent the device so they deleted the section ? | 11:05 |
| TheBootroo | or a website bug ? | 11:05 |
| alterego | So you haven't got your launchpad account verified yet? | 11:05 |
| TheBootroo | can't remember | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG | has anyone got that verified anyway? | 11:05 |
| alterego | So you haven't got your launchpad account verified yet? | 11:05 |
| alterego | Well you clearly havent. | 11:05 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, nope | 11:05 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: Jaffa | 11:05 |
| alterego | :) | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, besides him, he had it all set up | 11:05 |
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| TheBootroo | i already registered and applied but cant find back the mail, but sometimes when lN9 devkit was yet actived it said me i was already regsitered on a program | 11:06 |
| * Jaffa is Special ;-) | 11:06 | |
| TheBootroo | alterego: what could i do | 11:06 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: N9 devkit program is closed no | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG | stop worrying | 11:06 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, indeed you are - how is your n950 doing? | 11:06 |
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| alterego | TheBootroo: right, so you've not been verified, so be patient and wait like everyone else. | 11:06 |
| TheBootroo | and in Additional account information section i have | 11:07 |
| TheBootroo | C++/Qt4 applications for Qt Devices | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Going well; only a few glitches | 11:07 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, glitches are expected | 11:07 |
| TheBootroo | tha's an info i typed during launchap apply | 11:07 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: really don't care about your developer profile. | 11:07 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: if you've not got launchpad yet, you're in the same position as everyone else (sans Jaffa) | 11:08 |
| TheBootroo | alterego:hum ok but where can i have valid info that i can care about ? | 11:08 |
| alterego | forum.meego.com | 11:08 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, does attitude work at the speed you always expected it to? | 11:08 |
| alterego | Like I told you before. | 11:08 |
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| * lcuk quite looking forward to getting n950 | 11:09 | |
| lcuk | I really hope the qt wallcalendar will work well on it | 11:10 |
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| alterego | TheBootroo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3597 | 11:12 |
| vvaltone | one of the guys here said they handed units at the meetup | 11:12 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: be patient and stop asking, we're all in the same position. | 11:12 |
| TheBootroo | Jaffa: does Gmail sync (mail + calendar) over MfE works well in current N950 OS ? | 11:13 |
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| alterego | TheBootroo: what app/s are you going to be developing for Harmattan? | 11:14 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Yes, nice and fast. Some weirdnesses about how the task switcher forces your app to be portrait, even if you lock it to landscape; which causes rendering issues. | 11:15 |
| Jaffa | TheBootroo: Haven't tried mail over MfE (what's the advantage compared with IMAP?) But calendar sync seems to work well. See http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 | 11:16 |
| alterego | We have that ic CE too .. | 11:16 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, understandable glitches but portrait looks good | 11:16 |
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| lcuk | a bit odd with the keyboard I bet | 11:16 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: movies info retreiver (using TMDb.org), business card manager (interfaced with camera), bank account monitor, maybe port my google reader app, my music read (with portrait and landscape mode), and try to make a MIDI file reader with KAR support (maybe a stripped down port of KMid2 using Timidity ++)... and of course my LibMWTk + MobileUX-NG | 11:16 |
| alterego | Hardly ng if it's qwidget ;) | 11:17 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: QML sux | 11:17 |
| alterego | I look forward to some of those apps. | 11:17 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, bank account monitor? | 11:17 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: you not being able to use something doesn't mean it "sux" .. | 11:17 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: i spent a full Week end on it, not even able to support one corner border radius, mandatory all corners same radius | 11:18 |
| alterego | m'hmmm ... | 11:18 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: i'm not bad developr and not retrograde but when a newly started project want to replace a longly used one, it must be at least as complete, and QML doesn't even support fully equivalent CSS2 | 11:19 |
| Venemo | which is better? VirtualBox or VMWare? | 11:19 |
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| alterego | A full weekend and you didn't come up with a solution? I think that counts as "not being able to use it" ;) | 11:19 |
| alterego | Venemo: VMWare | 11:19 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: i don't want to put borderiamges and pixmap everywhere to achieve a good looking custom skin | 11:19 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: well, gutted .. | 11:19 |
| TheBootroo | i need to support HSVA and so custom hue, i cant realisitaclly use pixmaps | 11:20 |
| Venemo | alterego, why is it that every time I launch my WMVare VM, the Ctrl key stops working in Linux? | 11:20 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: so it sucks at the moment | 11:20 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: if you say so... | 11:20 |
| thiago | Venemo: only ctrl? or all modifiers? | 11:20 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: if you find a solution, i can stop whinning | 11:20 |
| Venemo | thiago, AltGr seems to be working | 11:20 |
| Venemo | but when I press, say, Ctrl+C, I only get a 'c' | 11:21 |
| alterego | Venemo: you're the one "whinning". I'm just saying it's understandable you'd think something "sux" if you lack the ability to use it. | 11:21 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't VMWare capture the ctrl key? | 11:21 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: you're the one "whinning". I'm just saying it's understandable you'd think something "sux" if you lack the ability to use it. | 11:21 |
| alterego | sorry Venemo ;) | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | http://harthur.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/dealing-with-not-dealing-with-the-open-source-assholes/ | 11:22 |
| Venemo | alterego, np | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | ^ please read | 11:22 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, how can I make it not to? | 11:22 |
| alterego | :) | 11:22 |
| thiago | Venemo: how about shift and alt? | 11:22 |
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| Venemo | thiago, shift Works, alt... I dunno, but AltGr does | 11:23 |
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| thiago | Venemo: I used to have this problem too. VMWare messes up with the modmap | 11:23 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: once again, it's not like i was not open, i tried and tried again, this full week end, and was not even to get more than a simple design, far from what i do n Qwidget + Qss, and with many glitches (in alignments, sizes and layouts) | 11:23 |
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| thiago | Venemo: just have an ~/.xmodmap with the right settings, so you can run if this happens: cd; xmodmap -e .xmodmap | 11:24 |
| Venemo | thiago, oh, thanks. | 11:25 |
| Venemo | thiago, how can I make a .xmodmap? | 11:25 |
| thiago | Venemo: you especially want: add control = Control_L Control_R | 11:26 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: you're going to need more than a weekend to do something as complicated as what you're trying. If you find a glaring bug, report it, the point is QML is the future and you need to use it if you want your mobile ux (ng) to be taken seriously. | 11:26 |
| Venemo | thiago, this one line in that file will do it? | 11:26 |
| thiago | try running that now (xmodmap -e 'add control = Control_L Control_R') and see if it restores your control | 11:26 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Sounds like a beginner's guide to anal defence | 11:27 |
| Venemo | thiago, yes! thank you :) | 11:27 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Even although I generally agree with most of the points | 11:27 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: otherwise what's the point in it? Just itch scratching a mobile desktop idea? You may as well have just drawn a picture of it and left it at that :P | 11:27 |
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| tonberry | hi guys | 11:29 |
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| Venemo | hi | 11:30 |
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| Guest57916 | anyone of u getting N950 for development? | 11:31 |
| dm8tbr | all the people listed in the wiki will get one | 11:31 |
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| TheBootroo | alterego: the point is getting a robust C++ api to build simple mobile apps, no matter of what kind of tech this toolkit uses | 11:31 |
| TheBootroo | i would like to use QML | 11:31 |
| TheBootroo | but it doesn't offer the same level of power as Qwidget + CSS | 11:31 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, very true | 11:32 |
| dm8tbr | AFAICT Qwidget is deprecated, doesn't make sense to ride a dead horse | 11:32 |
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| Guest57916 | my comp is getting one, i gona assign for apps development in future | 11:32 |
| vvaltone | deprecated? | 11:32 |
| dm8tbr | wasn't it? | 11:32 |
| TheBootroo | so yes, QML support matrix rotation, GL shader, particles, and so on, but i don't givea fuck about that, all i want is correct border radius and border width | 11:32 |
| dm8tbr | watch your language please | 11:33 |
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| TheBootroo | dm8tbr: Qwidget can not be depreciated until Qt6, since many companies have built big apps on it, and none will use QML to build engineering apps | 11:33 |
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| TheBootroo | nokia forcing for QML only would be the biggest bullshit in the world | 11:34 |
| TheBootroo | and precipiting their fall into a 'no point' company | 11:34 |
| TheBootroo | they can encourage qml for mobile apps and simple gadgets, but no make it mandatory for everyone, even who dont want to use it because its not powerfull enough | 11:35 |
| MohammadAG | QWidget is not deprecated | 11:35 |
| MohammadAG | just "done" | 11:35 |
| TheBootroo | (except if you can spend 3 year to develop 50+ QML classes plugins) | 11:35 |
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| TheBootroo | MohammadAG: what do you mean by done ? | 11:36 |
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| dm8tbr | MohammadAG: thanks for clarifying | 11:37 |
| TheBootroo | will Qt5 be mobile-only turned ? i don't think so, since the biggest market share of Qt is industrial apps and QMl isn't build for that use, so it will not be deprecated, just splitted in some modules and the graphics renderings will be changed but the api will not | 11:38 |
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| alterego | TheBootroo: any proof to backup that statement? | 11:39 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: just look on Qt in use section on Qt official website | 11:39 |
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| TheBootroo | any QMl or even mobile app in it ? NO | 11:39 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: so what? | 11:40 |
| alterego | That isn't proof .. | 11:40 |
| TheBootroo | so the biggest revenues of qt comes from person who will not use QML | 11:40 |
| TheBootroo | so they can't end Qwidget support | 11:41 |
| alterego | That's a couple of cherry picked use cases. | 11:41 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: oh, so you're talking about _revenue_ .. | 11:41 |
| TheBootroo | only re-design the classe strcuture to make QWidget not mandatory for QML-only apps (which is good) | 11:41 |
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| dm8tbr | the Qt labs blog seems to have more information: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ YMMV | 11:44 |
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| dm8tbr | grml, netsplits | 11:54 |
| dm8tbr | 08:44:30< dm8tbr> the Qt labs blog seems to have more information: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ YMMV | 11:54 |
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| cos^ | does anyone know where can i find my Nokia Developer Id? | 11:55 |
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| thiago | TheBootroo: Qt won't be mobile-only | 11:55 |
| thiago | TheBootroo: what we wanted to say in the blog was to bring QML to the forefront; we believe it will be useful in the desktop too | 11:56 |
| Venemo | QWidgets are NOT deprecated. they will live in a separate module. | 11:56 |
| dm8tbr | sorry for misrepresenting that | 11:56 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: thanks for killing the troll :-) | 11:57 |
| Termana | cos^, developer.nokia.com is loading very slow for me so I can't get you the direct link. But go onto your developer.nokia.com account, click your name or settings in the top right corner, press Developer Settings in the sidebar thats on the next page and it should be there | 11:57 |
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| cos^ | Termana: ok, thanks.. not very easy to find | 11:59 |
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| Venemo | TheBootroo, ? | 12:05 |
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| TheBootroo | Venemo: thx for confirming that Qwidget will not be unusable, just separated in a QtWigets modules (which is goood) | 12:11 |
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| thiago | TheBootroo: for desktops | 12:19 |
| thiago | don't expect to use QtWidgets on mobile | 12:19 |
| omcfadde_work | has anyone seen anything like this when trying to build a package: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=a62LTaMN | 12:19 |
| omcfadde_work | seems like something is really broken | 12:19 |
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| omcfadde_work | nevermind, osc-build seems to be the new version | 12:28 |
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| Parslee | hi | 13:08 |
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| niala | http://download.meego.com/live/home:/ thiss is for public OBS? I'm not here? Wrong url? | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | no, thats for build.meego.com | 13:17 |
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| niala | Stskeeps, well I have lost the link for public obs. Is public obs still relevant? | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes, build.pub.meego.com | 13:18 |
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| niala | thank you :). add shortcut for tomorrow | 13:20 |
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| alterego | lcuk: looks like my N8 will be shipped this week :) | 15:27 |
| pebcak | n8? | 15:30 |
| Wirta | ? | 15:30 |
| Wirta | not n950? | 15:30 |
| Wirta | you bought something that has symbian? | 15:32 |
| iekku | haha | 15:32 |
| Tronic | alterego: FAIL. | 15:33 |
| alterego | I didn't buy anything | 15:34 |
| alterego | What gave you that idea? | 15:34 |
| iekku | n8 | 15:34 |
| alterego | Right ... | 15:34 |
| Wirta | are you sure you dont mean n9? | 15:34 |
| iekku | n950? | 15:35 |
| alterego | No, I mean N8, that's why I said, N8 | 15:35 |
| alterego | I'm still waiting for launchpad validation for N950 | 15:35 |
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| iekku | :) | 15:36 |
| Tronic | What I don't see is why would someone be excited about getting an N8 (or E7 for that matter). | 15:36 |
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| Wirta | what is the story behind your N8? :) | 15:37 |
| alterego | I'm excited to get an N8 so I can get my Qt apps working on Symbian | 15:37 |
| alterego | That and it has the best multimedia capabilities out there, imo | 15:37 |
| iekku | alterego, ah, good point | 15:37 |
| alterego | Best camera, HDMI out, it's gonna be fun. | 15:37 |
| Wirta | okay then | 15:38 |
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| * vvaltone fondles his DSLR | 15:39 | |
| Wirta | watch out, IT might explode | 15:40 |
| pebcak | digital rangefinders FTW! | 15:40 |
| pebcak | dslrs... haha :P | 15:40 |
| lcuk | alterego, nice indeed | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, your local obs instructions - are they compatible with harmattan development? | 16:43 |
| lcuk | ie can you use obs for n9 stuff? | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ask the apps.meego.com peeps | 16:44 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, lbt? ^^ | 16:45 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: IIRC X-Fade wrote he wants to bring it to cobs | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: harmattan target will be in cobs this week. | 16:45 |
| alterego | Yay :) | 16:46 |
| lcuk | nice X-Fade :D | 16:46 |
| lcuk | which OS/UXes does cobs work with now, is it documented for people? | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Click on projects :) | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS documents what X-Fade, lardman and I have been trying to do for newbies (like lardman and I) who just want to build stuff. | 16:46 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: yay | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | So there are 2 options, I like your opinion on. | 16:47 |
| * lardman has been doing significantly less than the other two mind you | 16:47 | |
| lcuk | Jaffa, :D | 16:47 |
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| X-Fade | 1. Get Harmattan working sooner: But with an aweful amount of warnings. | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | 2. Wait a bit longer and hopefully build logs are a bit cleaner. | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | lardman: You started it. Rolling resistance is the hardest thing to overcome when starting a car (or some other car-based analogy) | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | (1) | 16:48 |
| lardman | :) | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | No question | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | After a lot of painful experiments, I'm leaning towards 1 :) | 16:49 |
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| Jaffa | As long as there's a clear warning somewhere about what warnings to expect | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Building phase itself is ok. | 16:50 |
| dm8tbr | X-Fade: screw warnings as long as we get results :D | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | It is the install of the packages in the rootstrap, which is noisy. | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | Well, LOUD. | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | Tail of the log is ok, and that is the business part anyway. | 16:51 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Oh, yeah - if getting the build environment is noisy, meh | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It is just that every build log is a bit big. | 16:57 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: If it's that bad, a post-process grep? | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | But I'd think it is good to have it available for the developers. So they at least can start. | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | Absolutely | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I want to stay away from hacking obs code ;) | 16:58 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: I take it you have tested packaging and installing Attitude on N950? | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: I have | 17:03 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Is the packaging much different from Maemo5? | 17:03 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: No | 17:03 |
| fiferboy | As far as special entries in the control file, etc | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: In fact, in qtc_packaging, I've symlinked control, rules, copyright, README and changelog between debian_fremantle and debian_harmattan | 17:04 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: XB-Maemo-Icon-26 is now 64px, XB-Maemo-Display-Name is still present etc | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 contains some links | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Thanks. I hadn't delved into the Harmattan packaging yet | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | I figured you would have :) | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: It says put the SVG icon in /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/icons, but /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps works as well and seems a more standard place | 17:06 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Is the SVG icon actually used anywhere? I always included one in Maemo5 but couldn't see what affect it had | 17:06 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: It's used in the application launcher in Harmattan | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: You can use svg icons, but png prerendered is probably nicer. | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: As Symbian does as well. Since the icons are now common styles, that's quite handy | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Looks nicer. | 17:07 |
| * Jaffa will probably make mud2 render (if you have rsvg installed) 48x48, 64x64 and 80x80 versions. | 17:07 | |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: If both are available will the system use the SVG or PNG? | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | Not maintaining all those manually | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: No idea ;) | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Check the co... oh | 17:08 |
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| fiferboy | X-Fade: Trial and error it is! | 17:08 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Do you have the git link? Oh... yeah. | 17:09 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: I like the looks of mud2, it should make it easier to suppoert multiple platforms | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: That's my plan. Maybe even something spectacle like for the common metadata for your basic apps: icon, description, additional weird dependencies etc. and have it do all the fremantle/harmattan/MeeGo donkey work | 17:22 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Especailly this line "Obviously this'll be expanded in future to also handle Spectacle/spec files" | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Want to automate it, as I know nothing about them ;-) | 17:23 |
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| fiferboy | Yeah, I managed (somehow) to get an RPM to build once, but I don't know if I could do it again ;) | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: did you check autospectacle, btw_ | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I am aware of it, yeah - I hjaven't ooked in detail yet | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | I suspect I'll drive it as part of mud2 | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | it basically makes an initial spectacle and then through iterations makes a full one | 17:27 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: And then spectacle's run to produce the .spec file to upload to OBS | 17:30 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: and what is the name of the tool that generates initial autospectacle? | 17:40 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: autospectacle takes a tarball and makes a yaml file | 17:40 |
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| smoku | so we need a tool to generate tarball ;-) | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | tarball is the app to be packaged or lib or whatever.. | 17:42 |
| smoku | yeah. that. | 17:42 |
| berndhs | git --archive makes fine tarballs | 17:42 |
| smoku | then we will have a tool to generate app, then a tool that generates yaml. then a tool to generate spec and a tool to generate rpm. | 17:42 |
| smoku | :D | 17:43 |
| berndhs | s/--// | 17:43 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: git archive makes fine tarballs | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, that obs page ( http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS ) is really nice. I will add a few notes about adding the repository into working MeeGo instance | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: That'd be great! | 18:06 |
| CosmoHill | hey clbr | 18:06 |
| CosmoHill | *lcuk* | 18:06 |
| timoph | did you get some email after doing the launchpad application. I'd think one would get an email stating that they received the thing.. | 18:10 |
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| berndhs | i didn't get anything, figured they just don't like me | 18:11 |
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| timoph | :) | 18:11 |
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| timoph | this waiting is killing me :/ | 18:12 |
| slaine | timoph: snap | 18:12 |
| slaine | What IS the launchpad thing ? | 18:12 |
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| timoph | one needs to apply to nokia launchpad to get the meego.com loaner | 18:13 |
| slaine | Yeah, but what is launchpad | 18:13 |
| timoph | some nokia developer portal | 18:13 |
| slaine | Is it like fightclub ? | 18:13 |
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| cpscotti | timoph, quite harsh your's *some* there... lol | 18:14 |
| slaine | First rule of Launchpad, don't talk about Launchpad | 18:14 |
| cpscotti | *yours | 18:14 |
| timoph | :) | 18:14 |
| cpscotti | lol | 18:14 |
| cpscotti | slaine, indeed | 18:14 |
| slaine | Anyway, yes, I also got no reply once I followed the link. I'm assuming poor qgil is swamped processing everything | 18:15 |
| slaine | and it's also a holiday today | 18:15 |
| timoph | :/ | 18:15 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, lardman, just added the notes now to the page - that is a really nice getting started so far \o | 18:15 |
| lcuk | hey timoph \o | 18:15 |
| timoph | lcuk: o/ | 18:15 |
| lcuk | timoph, you should take a look on http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS as a pro I bet you have some helpful hints | 18:16 |
| * timoph is on vacation (and bored) | 18:16 | |
| lcuk | and a solution to boredom ;) | 18:16 |
| timoph | yep :) | 18:16 |
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| timoph | could actually write about osc to that page | 18:18 |
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| timoph | at least i don't use the www interface that much | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | timoph: I think that's similar to the main audience | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | timoph: Anything beyond simple usage should go into a separate (linked) "osc power use" (or something) | 18:21 |
| timoph | Jaffa: maybe just put things like osc ci, up and co there | 18:22 |
| * Jaffa nods | 18:22 | |
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| berndhs | osc mkpack, or whatever its called | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I've done some minor tweaks | 18:24 |
| * Jaffa suspects there needs to be a "Using OBS for MeeGo Core maintenance", but since he doesn't do it, he's not sure | 18:24 | |
| timoph | I'll edit it a later. currently I'm online using my n900 so.. | 18:24 |
| timoph | ..a bit.. | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | :) | 18:25 |
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| berndhs | connman isn't very good is it | 18:26 |
| timoph | does osc build work now without --no-verify ? | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, great stuff, I added this page to my "offer to newbies" link list :) | 18:31 |
| aissen | anyone has the dmi output of the WeTab (not ExoPC) ? I'd need at least the output of "dmidecode -t baseboard" and "dmidecode -t bios" | 18:31 |
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| CosmoHill | Nokia N900, sim free, 32GB card, £160, hmmm | 18:42 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: that's a good price | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: Where from? | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | "only used for 2 weeks" | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | Jaffa: play.com | 18:44 |
| hiemanshu | wow | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | Didn't know they did 2nd hand. | 18:44 |
| hiemanshu | CosmoHill: thats cheap | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | That's about the price N8s are going for too (he said having looked them up on ebay after getting one as an "upgrade" from Nokia Care for his broken USB ported N900" | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/11626538/Nokia-N900-32GB-Sim-Free-Unlocked-5-0-Megapixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=nokia+n900&urlrefer=search | 18:45 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: Is the N950 good enough for you as a primary phone? | 18:46 |
| lbt | is meego.com going slowly for anyone? | 18:47 |
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| CosmoHill | speaking of slow internet, is anyone on Plus.net or IDNet? | 18:47 |
| dm8tbr | not particularly | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: yes, very | 18:47 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: OK ta | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Yes; but only since I'm only using it for commuting | 18:48 |
| CosmoHill | but if I click refresh it's instant | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Lack of Google Talk IM and anything other than Twitter web apps is a bit limited beyond that. | 18:48 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: MeeGo Terminal doesn't have any copy &paste, so opening links between systems is also annoying | 18:48 |
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| fiferboy | Jaffa: So, mostly things that (should|will) be fixed on the N9 release | 18:50 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: Aye. | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | But maybe at some point on the N950 | 18:50 |
| Jaffa | s/But maybe/And, allegedly,/ | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | Right. But probably not until the N9 is release? | 18:50 |
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| Jaffa | fiferboy: Indeed | 18:51 |
| dm8tbr | Jaffa: no XMPP? I thought that the ovi messenger (still) relied on that | 18:51 |
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| Jaffa | dm8tbr: There is no Ovi Messenger in the N950 image | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | dm8tbr: "Nokia Account" is used for contacts' sync | 18:51 |
| dm8tbr | oic | 18:51 |
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| Myrtti | looks like July alright | 19:55 |
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| vdv | hi all | 20:51 |
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| vdv | is meego officially supported on n900? maybe my question is too silly, but i haven't tracked meego development since last year | 20:52 |
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| dm8tbr | vdv: there is a community edition that works fairly well | 20:53 |
| dm8tbr | and I think it still sort of is the reference hardware for MeeGo ARM | 20:53 |
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| vdv | dm8tbr, ok thanks | 20:55 |
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| MSvB | Thanks to leinir for offering the cable that was used in the mobile session in Berlin. | 21:30 |
| MSvB | Think the topic was MeeGo in fact, or was it QML? | 21:30 |
| MSvB | Starting to forget, but not the demo which was quite nice indeed. | 21:31 |
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| MSvB | It would be nice if all projectors had a HDMI or DVI input so that phones and other such devices can be used for demos. | 21:31 |
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| Venemo | ~seen sivang | 22:15 |
| infobot | sivang <~sivan@unaffiliated/sivang> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 11h 32m 21s ago, saying: 'where can I donwnload the N9/950 Nokia Qt SDK?'. | 22:15 |
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| vgrade | anyone going to the London AppUp tomorrow? | 22:17 |
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